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Speaker 1: My name is Ty Hildebrand, joining me as always over

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Speaker 1: there in wintry Chicagoland. Actually, I guess it's not more

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Speaker 1: how are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm fantastic. I am looking forward to this annual show

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Speaker 2: that we do and reviewing. You know what, I haven't

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Speaker 2: I'm just watching a lot less espnu I really am.

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Speaker 2: Though I usually love signing Day or early signing Day,

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Speaker 2: It just it seemed like a workmanlike early signing day,

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Speaker 1: Fewer recruits actually being able to play their senior seasons. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: all sorts of nuance to this recruiting cycle. And look,

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Speaker 1: you know where I stand on recruiting, you often anonymously

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Speaker 1: A wrinkle, sure, right, That's why we talk about announcement

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's favorable with respect to how you

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Speaker 1: But given that travel has been restricted, that seasons weren't

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Speaker 2: Ability to evaluate coaches in person, you know, recruiting writers

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Speaker 1: There is a lot that we need to cover with

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Speaker 1: our guest d Jore. His name is Brandon Hoffman. You

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Speaker 1: know him well from twenty four seven Sports. We're going

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Speaker 1: Miles getting a vote of confidence despite a winless season,

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Speaker 1: and why not? And why not? We had a couple

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Speaker 2: But I count eight at the moment, by the way, Ucla,

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Speaker 2: Kansas State, Virginia Tech, Stanford, Virginia Pitt Georgia Tech, Boston.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, But the big news here is that play Winter

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Speaker 1: Wonders are super secret Patreon only game is now live.

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Speaker 1: We've got our first batch of questions live for participations

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Speaker 1: that listing, Yeah to select, We've got a couple things

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Speaker 1: Dan just that fantasy things layer that we I think

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Speaker 1: No, how many times will the announcers reference app states

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Speaker 1: Totally, totally, well, let's not waste any time. Don't forget

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Speaker 2: So I don't think we should go any further without

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Speaker 3: Well, here's what you need to know, and I think

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Speaker 3: They basically have done their you know, their their homework

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Speaker 3: On the flip side, a lot of college coaches kind

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Speaker 3: They're having to rely on the pictures with no camp,

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Speaker 2: Counterpoint, And maybe this is not based in reality at all,

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Speaker 3: One percent, guys are actually making the decision based on

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Speaker 3: I mean, the trust on both sides is probably greater

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and branded on the other side of the coin,

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Speaker 3: Absolutely? And I think what you're having is a lot

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Speaker 3: we don't know how many scholarships that the NCAA is

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Speaker 1: All those guys, right, I mean, it's just it's such

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Speaker 2: How you compare them to people who do play right.

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Speaker 3: And that's the thing. So you look at a guy

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Speaker 3: what did Jackson Dark do this season? He played fourteen games.

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Speaker 3: You know, that's more games than most states that were

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Speaker 3: He comes out for football, plays ten games last year,

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Speaker 3: You have a lot of guys that they still haven't

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Speaker 2: I want to go back to quarterbacks for a second,

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Speaker 2: Do you see this as a good fit year? Or

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Speaker 3: he got Sam Hue who's coming in, who's ran air

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Speaker 3: of leading. And then Matt Jones happened. So now you

436
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Speaker 3: may I'm not saying that bright Stone is going to transfer,

437
00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:03,680
Speaker 3: but I'm saying now that worry is very real because

438
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Speaker 3: is mac Jones a great college quarterback or see an

439
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Speaker 3: NFL prospect. Does he use this season the springboard of

440
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Speaker 3: the NFL next year? Does he come back to play

441
00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:14,199
Speaker 3: next fall? You know, so the fits look good on

442
00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:16,480
Speaker 3: paper until you start looking at depth truck and with

443
00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,720
Speaker 3: the ability to use this season is essentially a redsher

444
00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:22,439
Speaker 3: year for everybody. There could be some death trucks that

445
00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:24,719
Speaker 3: look much different than when the coach was pitching it

446
00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:27,159
Speaker 3: to that that respective quarterback to you try to get

447
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Speaker 3: him to commit.

448
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Speaker 2: It's true, and then there aren't a number of surprises

449
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Speaker 2: at the top. You talked about just how crazy deep

450
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Speaker 2: Alabama's class is, but I mean, I guess, outside of

451
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Speaker 2: swapping in Oregon for USC within the top ten, what

452
00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:47,280
Speaker 2: are the actual surprises to you in both impressive and

453
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Speaker 2: disappointing fashion when you look across the sport.

454
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Speaker 3: Well, I think, you know, probably the most surprising is

455
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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know why we should be too surprised,

456
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Speaker 3: because you know, we kind of expected this because he's

457
00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:03,880
Speaker 3: always been a good recruiter. But despite having a horrible

458
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:06,399
Speaker 3: year on the field, Michigan's there at number twelve. I

459
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:08,639
Speaker 3: mean that kind of surprises me. When you would have

460
00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 3: thought Michigan was bleeding everybody. They did lose a kid yesterday,

461
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,040
Speaker 3: the defensive lineman who'd been committed to him for six

462
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:17,800
Speaker 3: months put to UCLA on signing Day. But it's still

463
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Speaker 3: kind of surprised that even with all the uncertainty of

464
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Speaker 3: Jim Harbaugh, they still have a top twelve class. You know.

465
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Speaker 3: The other surprise again, you got a school like Tennessee

466
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Speaker 3: where they've had a disappointing season if they still have

467
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,200
Speaker 3: a top fifteen class and Jerry Cruit and the staff

468
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:34,760
Speaker 3: are still getting it done. But the recruiting is probably

469
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:37,359
Speaker 3: the only team that's saving him at this point because

470
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Speaker 3: the results need to follow. So I think it's kind

471
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Speaker 3: of surprised that two programs that are kind of in

472
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Speaker 3: year three or in the case of Harbor, year five

473
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Speaker 3: or six, they're able to get past some of the

474
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Speaker 3: on field results with still good recruiting class. On the

475
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Speaker 3: flip side, I think all miss fans are probably excited

476
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Speaker 3: to see them back in the top twenty in the

477
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Speaker 3: recruiting rankings. And nobody at this point at least has

478
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Speaker 3: accused them of doing anything to have a top twenty class.

479
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,399
Speaker 3: They just all say, hey, Lane Kiffin, he makes guys

480
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 3: want to come play for him. What I love about

481
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Speaker 3: Lane Kiffin is he was retweeting a kid that he

482
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Speaker 3: flipp from Mississippi State. He retweeted one of his tweets

483
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:14,920
Speaker 3: that can when he committed to Mississippi State. I mean,

484
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Speaker 3: the troll level of Blane Kiffin is not a surprise.

485
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Speaker 3: The surprises that old myth is shown under year one

486
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Speaker 3: that you know Kiffin's going to be able to recruit

487
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Speaker 3: at that level. But the one that really sticks out

488
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Speaker 3: to me, I mean, well, there's actually two pit at

489
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Speaker 3: twenty three in call at twenty five. We don't necessarily

490
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Speaker 3: think Pitt and Caw. We think players from Pittsburgh. We

491
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Speaker 3: think players from California, but we don't necessarily think Pitt

492
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Speaker 3: and Cal has top twenty five recruiting classes and two

493
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:43,480
Speaker 3: coaches that are defensive guys at the heart, but they've

494
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Speaker 3: done a really good job in their region local league.

495
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Speaker 3: I think was the most impressing about Cal. You know

496
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 3: Dando as a PAC twelve guys. One of the biggest

497
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 3: problems Sunny Dykes had was recruiting northern California and could

498
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:58,159
Speaker 3: not get it done. He inherited Jared Gofrom Jeff Tession,

499
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Speaker 3: but he couldn't recruit the Bay recruiting are in the California.

500
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 3: Justin Wilcox comes in, He's got eight guys from Sacramento,

501
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 3: from the East Bay, and that's what COUNT needs to

502
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Speaker 3: do to stay competitive in the PAC twelve. So I

503
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Speaker 3: used to see in you know, Pitton count the top

504
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Speaker 3: twenty five. Those of the two that probably are the

505
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Speaker 3: biggest surprise. I think the you know on the flip side,

506
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Speaker 3: probably the one that's the most disappointing is the kind

507
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Speaker 3: of day that Mississippi State ended up having. And I

508
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,440
Speaker 3: think also looking at what Stanford did, I mean, we're

509
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Speaker 3: used to seeing Stanford with top ten, top fifteen classes.

510
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Speaker 3: It wasn't but three years ago that they landed three

511
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Speaker 3: of the top five players in the country. Now they

512
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,159
Speaker 3: had the sixty first ring class in the country. So

513
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 3: were the grad transfers last year speaking to a bigger

514
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Speaker 3: issue that was going on in Stanford. This recruiting class

515
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 3: doesn't really reflect those early David Shaw classes.

516
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Speaker 1: Let's go back to the state of California for a second.

517
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Speaker 1: Your website twenty four to seven has USC on the

518
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Speaker 1: front page. Is one of the winners of National Signing Day.

519
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Speaker 1: That's in pretty stark contrast. Brandon two last recruiting cycle

520
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Speaker 1: when finished like dead last in the PAC twelve. Is

521
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:06,679
Speaker 1: there a turnaround story here that we should be telling.

522
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Speaker 1: Was last year just an outlier? What's the deal with USC?

523
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Speaker 3: Well? I think there was a couple of things at play. First,

524
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 3: they replaced the entire defensive staff. So you bring in

525
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 3: three coaches, well four coaches at that, two that have

526
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 3: Southern California times. Vic Soso, who they hired away from

527
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Speaker 3: Virginia as the San Diego native, and Dante Williams, who

528
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:27,879
Speaker 3: is an LA guy, had been at Arizona, had been

529
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Speaker 3: in Nebraska, Ben at Oregon. He shows up at USC

530
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 3: all of a sudden they're DV recruiting improved. But the

531
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Speaker 3: big thing was really Todd Orlando and Craig Nivarc coming

532
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 3: in and just kind of jolting in that defensive staff

533
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 3: where you get away from kind of the you know,

534
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Speaker 3: the I don't know how to describe Clancy Pendergat, but

535
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:48,440
Speaker 3: they an exciting recruiting that Clancy tender Gat did over

536
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:52,160
Speaker 3: the years. And you have this entire offseason where USC

537
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:53,919
Speaker 3: he's not playing, and then you get on the field

538
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:55,879
Speaker 3: and they're winning seeing games. They're kind of winning an

539
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 3: exciting fashion, and they just really seemed up kind of

540
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Speaker 3: their energy level, even in a year where they weren't

541
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Speaker 3: able to get on the road, they weren't able to

542
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:06,399
Speaker 3: get kids to come to campus. They did have a

543
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 3: little Genia Day about four days before the pandemic cappened,

544
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 3: and we're able to get a few guys to come

545
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 3: to campus before the NCAA shuttings down. But I also

546
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 3: think they benefited a lot from more guys in California,

547
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,680
Speaker 3: probably staying closer to home because of the pandemic. Naturally,

548
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 3: the USC always becomes an attractive option, so I think

549
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 3: there's you know, last year, there were so many questions

550
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:30,160
Speaker 3: coming off twenty eighteen season about play help. This year

551
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 3: there were less questions, and then he kind of reshifted

552
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 3: that staff around so you could see the success. But

553
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 3: I think that the tactful championship game could go a

554
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 3: long win, really determining organ or USC recruiting and dominics

555
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 3: over the next five to six years.

556
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Speaker 2: You mentioned guys staying closer to home in California, probably

557
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,639
Speaker 2: because of the pandemic, but still you look at the

558
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 2: best players in California, you see LSU, Notre Dame, Ohio, State, Clemson, Georgia,

559
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 2: like they're continuing a trend that you know, last year

560
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 2: was highlighted by DJ Uyangalo and CJ. Stroud, guys like that,

561
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 2: leaving the West coast footprint. It's I guess it's very

562
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 2: easy to say, well, Pac twelve teams are down and

563
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 2: they're not playing exciting football, they're not playing on the

564
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:13,399
Speaker 2: national stage, and when they do, they're not performing. I

565
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 2: think that's right. But also when you look at those staffs,

566
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Speaker 2: I guess, like us, how USC was. But you look

567
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 2: at UCLA, you look at you know, even though an

568
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 2: improved cal. You look at Stanford, you look at you know,

569
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Speaker 2: Washington State going through what they've gone through. Is it

570
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Speaker 2: also an element of the recruiting killers that existed at

571
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Speaker 2: some of these schools are elsewhere and that they're just

572
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 2: not staffed with guys who are as I guess dogged.

573
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Speaker 2: Is that an element to this?

574
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Speaker 3: No? I think that that's true. I also think you

575
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 3: look at say what happened to Colorado where mil Tucker

576
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 3: Lee's right before signing day, So Carlin will comes in

577
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 3: in mid February. Oh, I'm going to use March to

578
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 3: have kids come to campus and then March twelfth, everything

579
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 3: shuts down for the next nine months, saying with Nick Rolovich,

580
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 3: he gets tired of me. In January has to finish

581
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 3: putting together the final touches in the twenty twenty class.

582
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 3: All use February to you know, start to build relations

583
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:05,719
Speaker 3: with these guys and then in Marshall have them come

584
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 3: to campus. Same thing happens. So you get some coaches

585
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 3: that have more energy on the recruiting trail, have better recruiters,

586
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 3: but they weren't ever able to turn loose or they

587
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 3: weren't ever able to host guys on campus. But then

588
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 3: you have other schools where you know it, they don't

589
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 3: have the coaches that necessarily have that bull dogmentage. There's

590
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 3: not a Dante Williams on the recruiting chail. You know,

591
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 3: there's not the guys that you know, you see Mario Christiball,

592
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 3: I mean, Mario Cristiball is turning into the West Coast

593
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 3: version of Nick Saban in terms of he is becoming

594
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 3: the face of Oregon recruiting. And when you look at

595
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 3: a lot of schools in the country, they have an

596
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 3: assistant who's kind of the face of the recruiting and

597
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 3: that's why recruiting is so successful. But when you look

598
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 3: at Alabama, you have Saban who's that closer. And that's

599
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,959
Speaker 3: what Mario Christinball is able to do is close up

600
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 3: a lot of these guys that's out ever even getting

601
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 3: the chance to see them. And his staff knows they've

602
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 3: got to recruit the same energy and vigor that their

603
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 3: head coach does. But when you have other coaches in

604
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 3: the Pac twelve that and I think we know one

605
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 3: in particular, Damn that You've got a long history of

606
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 3: following Chip Kelly. When recruiting isn't the most important thing,

607
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,719
Speaker 3: that trickles down to the rest of the assistance and

608
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 3: then your class ends up where it does because you

609
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 3: don't have that top down philosophy of get out on

610
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 3: the road and go recruit. And I think you see

611
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 3: that a lot in the Pac twelve right now with

612
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 3: the schools that have been recruiting, well, they have head coaches.

613
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Speaker 3: I mean, for all the crud that Clay Helton deals with,

614
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 3: he still is a really good recruiter. And kids love

615
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 3: Clay Helton. Kids when they go on their visits, they

616
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 3: talk about how they really connect with him, how their

617
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 3: family connects with him. He does a great job of recruiting,

618
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 3: and so you're seeing that maybe last year was an anomaly.

619
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Speaker 3: But when you have guys on your staff that really

620
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 3: recruit energetically and the head coach himself does that, that's

621
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 3: where you have this wide gap between some of the

622
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Speaker 3: top schools in the PAC twelve and really with the

623
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Speaker 3: rest of the PAC twelve.

624
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Speaker 1: Brandon, I'm fascinated by your breakdown of what's going on

625
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 1: in the Big Ten. So we talked about Ohio State.

626
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 1: Ohio State obviously cream of the crop. Michigan, all things considered,

627
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 1: did pretty well. But within the Big Ten itself, I'm

628
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 1: looking at the twenty four to seven rankings. We've got

629
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Speaker 1: Wisconsin at third, which is a pretty good cycle for them.

630
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 1: We've got Maryland at fourth. Maryland did really well, keeping

631
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Speaker 1: guys close to home, flipping a kid from Michigan to

632
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Speaker 1: come to Maryland. We've got Penn State at fifth. We've

633
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Speaker 1: got Nebraska all the way down at seventh. Is there

634
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 1: any kind of like tectonic shift to foot here where

635
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 1: we've got programs out performing? What does this cycle tell

636
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 1: you about where the Big Ten's going over the next

637
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 1: couple seasons, Well.

638
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 3: It tells you one thing that it's going to keep

639
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 3: going to Columbus, and that's where the players seem to

640
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 3: come and want to play. I mean, let's just talk

641
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 3: about Ohio State for a second, because you look at

642
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 3: last year they signed the number one receiver in the country,

643
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 3: the number three receiver in the country, the number five

644
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 3: receiver in the country, and then another top ten receiver.

645
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 3: This year they get the number one receiver in the country.

646
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 3: They've already got a commitment from the number and receiver

647
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 3: in the country for the twenty twenty two class. So

648
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 3: you've got this full receiver room and nobody's running away.

649
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 3: It reminds me of the running back room at USC

650
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Speaker 3: under Pete Carroll. You have all this talent and guys

651
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 3: aren't fearing it. But then you also look at the

652
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 3: quarterback room. You've got to justin field. You've got a CJ.

653
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 3: Stroud who set to maybe take over for him next year.

654
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 3: But then could CJ. Stroud become Ohio State Kelly Bryant

655
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 3: In that quinn Ewers maybe the highest rated quarterback over

656
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 3: the last four years since Trevor Lawrence. He's committed in

657
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 3: the twenty twenty two classes. CJ. Strouds start in twenty

658
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 3: twenty one because I got assumed Justin Fields is gone.

659
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 3: But then quinn Ewers comes in twenty twenty two. So

660
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 3: Ohio State is just recruiting at a whole different level

661
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 3: than the rest of the Big ten. So now it's

662
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 3: a matter of what are we recruiting for second? And

663
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 3: you still it's not a surprise to see Michigan there

664
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Speaker 3: at number two. But Wisconsin, I mean, they do such

665
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 3: a good job of evaluating guys early on. And case

666
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 3: in point Santa Barbara High School quarterback Deacon Hill committed

667
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 3: to Wisconsin a year and a half ago when he

668
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 3: had only started two games as the sophomore took over

669
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 3: when this quarterback got injured and became the starter. Paul

670
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 3: Chris offers him in the summer. He commitsed just by

671
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 3: having three sisters that played Water Public UCLA and his

672
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 3: brother in law who played football at UCLA. That was

673
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 3: his dream school. UCLA doesn't offer him. He commits Wisconsin

674
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 3: a year later. Tchip Kelly tries to flip them. He said,

675
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 3: where were you guys a year ago? He's stick switched

676
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 3: and now he's grown into one of the top ten

677
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 3: Pro style quarterbacks in the country. So you look at

678
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 3: where Graham Mert they'd bring him in, and they they

679
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:37,479
Speaker 3: don't bring in a quarterback in the next plat then

680
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 3: they go get a Deacon Hill. I mean, when Paul

681
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 3: Chris hits on a quarterback, it usually works. But it's

682
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 3: because they do such a good job of developing but

683
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 3: evaluating those guys. Early Maryland were not surprised Mike Watson

684
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 3: can recruit. But I think the surprise is not just

685
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 3: Nebraska down there at seven, but we've been used to

686
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 3: kind of seeing Minnesota recruiting picked up a lot over

687
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 3: the last couple of years under Pga Flack, and they're

688
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 3: kind of at a you know, number eight spot where

689
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 3: we're not expecting them to be that low. You would

690
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 3: have thought with the season they had in twenty nineteen,

691
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 3: they would see the bump in the twenty twenty one class,

692
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,439
Speaker 3: and it was kind of to the contrary, it wasn't

693
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,240
Speaker 3: nearly as strong of the class as maybe we expected

694
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 3: it to be. So there's a couple of schools that

695
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 3: finally had some momentum and yet this class kind of stagnated.

696
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 3: Then of course you go look and you see an

697
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 3: Illinois at the bottom. Well, they've had coaching turnover, you

698
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 3: see Northwestern. I mean Patris Dreil is probably excited that

699
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 3: he's not in the top ten for the Big Ten

700
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 3: because he uses that to motivate his team every single year. Indiana,

701
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 3: and again we talk about this every year. The bump

702
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 3: in recruiting usually comes in the class after your season.

703
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 3: So I don't think Indiana's class right now at number

704
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,720
Speaker 3: twelve is anything to worry about. I think you'll see

705
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 3: Tom Allen's class really improved in twenty twenty two, where

706
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 3: they've had this whole season season to really kind of

707
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 3: burn Indiana into the mind of a lot of these recruits.

708
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Speaker 1: And I guess, on a similar note, if we could

709
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 1: shift over to the ACC for a second, the ACC

710
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 1: in a similar position. Right, we've got one team at

711
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 1: the top, Clemson, far and away better than the competition.

712
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 1: We do have some other teams that are trying to

713
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 1: close that gap.

714
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Speaker 2: And we're not counting Notre Dame in this question, right,

715
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 2: We're not counting Notre Dame question not a full longtime

716
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 2: ACC standout, not a.

717
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 1: Full paying member of the ACEC. But we've got some

718
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 1: other schools now in the form of Miami, North Carolina

719
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 1: perhaps trying to chase down the Clemson Tigers. That's part

720
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,359
Speaker 1: one of the question, how are they doing? Part two

721
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 1: of the question is how about a school like a

722
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,760
Speaker 1: Florida State Because Mike Norvell's had a ton of challenges

723
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 1: to deal with and his very young tenure in Tallahassee,

724
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 1: and we know that they're getting Mackenzie Milton via the

725
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,879
Speaker 1: transfer portal, but he is trying to rebuild something there.

726
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 1: And we have a lot of Florida State fans to

727
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 1: listen to this show. So A, is the gap closing

728
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 1: on Clemson at all? And B, how's Florida State looking well?

729
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 3: Florida State pass Again, when we talk about schools that

730
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 3: you're not used to seeing, maybe in a particular spot

731
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 3: in Florida State at number six wouldn't be a surprise

732
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 3: if that was nationally, That's not where you expected to

733
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 3: see them in the ACC. Like last year we saw

734
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 3: USC at tenth in the PAC twelve tenth in the

735
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 3: country would still be low by USC standards, but Florida

736
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 3: State it's clearly, you know, kind of getting I wouldn't

737
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 3: say lap, but you have more stability at Miami with

738
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 3: many das you have more stability be at Florida with

739
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 3: Van Mullyan. So now you've got your third coach in

740
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:27,360
Speaker 3: four years of forda state. I think Norvelle Novel is

741
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 3: going to be able to get things going there at

742
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 3: some point, But right now, maybe the class doesn't appear

743
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 3: as sexy as some of these other classes, where you know,

744
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 3: Florida and Miami are both showing size life. Obviously, Miami

745
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 3: is having a great year and not having to hit

746
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 3: the transfer portal as hard. I mean, so many of

747
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 3: their star players on their team are transfers to Jalen

748
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 3: Phillis and d r Keing. But I know Manny Diaz

749
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,319
Speaker 3: would really rather build his program with high schoolers. And

750
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 3: so you look at this class and it is a

751
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 3: top ten class. It's the number two class in the ACC.

752
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 3: That's where you expect Miami to be. North Carolina at

753
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:02,240
Speaker 3: number three with the most remarkable thing about North Carolina classes,

754
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:05,800
Speaker 3: there's actually two things. It's one how many of their players,

755
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:09,359
Speaker 3: their top players are kids from North Carolina, a state

756
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 3: that used to kind of bleed to the rest of

757
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 3: the SEC and the ACC. Now mac Brown's keeping those

758
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 3: guys just like he used to do with Texas. But

759
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:19,879
Speaker 3: I think the other most remarkable thing is that they

760
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 3: finished with a class that was number three in the

761
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:24,879
Speaker 3: ACC and then if you look at it nationally, there's

762
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 3: number fourteen after they lost their number one recruit who

763
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 3: reclassified to the twenty twenty class and twenty grave and

764
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,359
Speaker 3: played this year for North Carolina. I mean, that's when

765
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 3: you know you're living right and you're recruiting well when

766
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,360
Speaker 3: you can afford a loser recruit because he wanted to

767
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,799
Speaker 3: get to campus a year earlier to go play. And

768
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 3: then you look at this class and it's North Carolina,

769
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 3: North Carolina, North Carolina, a bunch of in state kids

770
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 3: that got a five star defensive linemany Keisha on Silver.

771
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 3: They got Drake Mays, who's the younger brother of former

772
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,360
Speaker 3: Carolina hooper Loop May. So they've got guys that have

773
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 3: ties to the Tar Hills. And Matt Brown knows how

774
00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 3: to recruit better than most coaches in college football and

775
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 3: certainly knows how to recruit his backyard better than most

776
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 3: coaches do. And North Carolina is seeing that. So you know,

777
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 3: North Carolina is showing with Mack Brown the complete just

778
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 3: rejuvenation of that program, but also the rejuvenation of North

779
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 3: Carolina favor with the in state recruits.

780
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Speaker 2: When you look at the Big twelve, normally it's a

781
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 2: question of like who comes after Oklahoma and Texas because

782
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 2: Oklahoma and Texas have cleaned up, I'd say kind of

783
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 2: a down year from Texas, I'm sure surrounding some of

784
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 2: the uncertainty around Tom Herman's future. Oklahoma seems to keep,

785
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 2: you know, having a national presence, obviously bringing in top receivers,

786
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:39,720
Speaker 2: bringing in, you know, the top quarterback in the country

787
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 2: from you know, thousands of miles away. Are you worried

788
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 2: about Texas long term even given the advantage that advantages

789
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 2: that they have, and also who is who is that

790
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 2: team chasing those two teams? Just in terms of talent acquisition.

791
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,280
Speaker 3: I'm worried about Texas because not only are they losing

792
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,280
Speaker 3: in state kids that you would have thought they got,

793
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,840
Speaker 3: they're losing him to Ohio State. So now, Texas, we

794
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:04,800
Speaker 3: thought when Texas, A and M went to the SEC

795
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 3: that the se cecils were going to thrive in the

796
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 3: state of Texas. Ohio State's the one that's thriving in

797
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 3: the state of Texas. And it all kind of started

798
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:13,839
Speaker 3: with Garrett Wilson a couple of years ago. I mean,

799
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 3: he can even go back to recruse before that, but

800
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 3: Garrett Wilson was the one that really shifted the paradigm

801
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 3: I think in the state of Texas towards Ohio State

802
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 3: and with the Horns because jim Ywers was a Texas

803
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 3: commit and then he flipped to Ohio State. Then Caleb Burton,

804
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 3: who was an in state kid, is going to Ohio State.

805
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 3: So Texas is having a hard enough time teching Oklahoma,

806
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 3: but now Ohio State's stealing guys that you would have

807
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 3: thought would have been a lot with little Horns at

808
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 3: one point. So I think they're you know, it's not

809
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 3: just the questions about Tom Herman, it's why is Texas

810
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 3: losing so many of these players the state to out

811
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,800
Speaker 3: of state, out of conference schools. And that's an issue

812
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,839
Speaker 3: that California is very familiar with and Texas is now

813
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 3: starting to experience. And at the same time, I think

814
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 3: that hurts the rest of the Big twelve when the

815
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,760
Speaker 3: Big ten, the SEC see the acc are even planting

816
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,400
Speaker 3: in the state of Texas and grabbing guys. But the

817
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 3: one that I think is probably the biggest surprise here

818
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,359
Speaker 3: in terms of where they're rated is West Virginia. They're

819
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 3: at number four. They actually had a really good class

820
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 3: year with three four star players. But I really like

821
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 3: what Neil Brand did with this class. And then I

822
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:19,919
Speaker 3: think I see earlier this week that his name's being

823
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 3: linked to the Auburn job. I mean, it's one of

824
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 3: those where you finally start getting some a mend and

825
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 3: he's starting to get his own blood in there, and

826
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 3: yet now schools want him. So can West Virginia sustain

827
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 3: it where they can be a top four, top five

828
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 3: class in the Big Twelve given their geographical disadvantage. If

829
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:38,839
Speaker 3: they can, they're going to be competing for Big Twelve

830
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 3: championships or at least for a shot there. I like

831
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Speaker 3: what Baylor has done. I mean, considering when dave A.

832
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 3: Randa got started there and how late it was in

833
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 3: the process and really losing again like Carl Durell and

834
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:52,799
Speaker 3: Nick Rolovich, losing the opportunity to get those kids to

835
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 3: come to campus and meet with them as a new coach.

836
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Speaker 3: I still kind of like what Baylor did in this class,

837
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 3: and I think given a full year and more kind

838
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 3: of a return to normalcy Baylor's going to have a

839
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:06,839
Speaker 3: really good recruiting class. What probably the biggest surprise though,

840
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 3: is we've seen TCU have some great classes. We've seen

841
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 3: TCU signed some really great players, but this year was

842
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 3: not that year. And I think there's some concern about

843
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 3: the TCU. For only two four stars total and only

844
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 3: thirteen commits, they have the smallest class in the Big twelve.

845
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 3: We know that Garykatshon can coach those guys up, but

846
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 3: you know what's happening this year again, it's another case

847
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 3: of those kids that TCU in years past may have gotten.

848
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:35,399
Speaker 3: Now they're going to other Big ten schools, or they're

849
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:38,359
Speaker 3: going to other ACC or SEC schools. That state has

850
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 3: opened the floodgates to other programs outside of Texas.

851
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 2: I hate to group G five teams together because it's

852
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 2: a wide swath of teams that very different schools all

853
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 2: across the country, But I'm doing it anyway because it's

854
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 2: my show and I'm allowed to. Largely, the American of

855
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 2: the G five conferences is the conference that dominated recruiting

856
00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 2: by teams you'd expect to dominate just on a national scale, Cincinnati, SMU, Memphis.

857
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 2: It's just UCF has looks like they have at least

858
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 2: a pretty good class. Which of those or any school

859
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 2: across the country not playing in a Power five conference,

860
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 2: or I guess Notre Dame has jumped out to you

861
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 2: as doing impressive things on the recruiting trail all things considered.

862
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 3: Well, I like what Cincinnati did. They may not have

863
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 3: any four stars in this class, but they all have

864
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,839
Speaker 3: really high level three stars. And that's really where your

865
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 3: recruiting class is. May I mean, yes, you want the

866
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 3: five stars, you want the four stars, although some coaches

867
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 3: may say they don't. You still want those top tier guys,

868
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 3: but so much of your class has made on that

869
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 3: second tier guys. And that's what Cincinnati's class ends up

870
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 3: being the best in the AAC despite not having a

871
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 3: four star. It's like all twenty five guys are just

872
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 3: solid players that really kind of that Luke Ficklin and

873
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 3: stat to see as guys that can keep that momentum

874
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 3: that Cincinnati has built over the last couple of years.

875
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 3: And I think what's being the most impressive is I mean,

876
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:58,319
Speaker 3: this is a guy whose name has been mentioned for

877
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 3: a number of jobs over the last two years. We

878
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 3: saw this with Boise and State when Chris Peterson was there.

879
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 3: Every year, Chris Peterson's name was mentioned for some big

880
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 3: job every year. Boise States still brought in a good

881
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 3: class because you could see the commitment that Cincinnati has

882
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 3: to replace the Tommy Tyvergill. Notwithstanding, Cincinnati over the last

883
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 3: fifteen years has done a good job with their head

884
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:21,359
Speaker 3: coaching hires, and so even if Sickle does leave, he's

885
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 3: built or he's continued to build on that great program,

886
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 3: and so it makes it easy to sell that program SMU.

887
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 3: I think we've talked about it a little bit earlier

888
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:34,319
Speaker 3: on the show about Sunny Dykes's lack of success in

889
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 3: the state of California, and he was at cal because

890
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 3: he's a Texas guy. His Willhouse is in Texas, His

891
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 3: Willlhouse is inside the Texas High school football being a

892
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 3: Dikes there in the state of Texas, all the connections

893
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 3: and now you see at SMU. Remember there was a

894
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 3: little bit of a time there when June Jones was

895
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 3: the head coach at STU where they were recruiting nationally

896
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:57,399
Speaker 3: and he was from Hawaii, he was from the West Coast,

897
00:43:57,560 --> 00:43:59,879
Speaker 3: was coaching in Hawaii, but they were hitting the West Coast.

898
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:02,240
Speaker 3: They were hitting the East Coast hard. Now you're seeing

899
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 3: SNU really build on this class locally, but it's becoming appealing.

900
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 3: At the same time as TCU may be trending down.

901
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 3: From a recruiting standpoint, SNU seems to be trending up.

902
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:15,879
Speaker 3: So Sundy Dykes has found his sweet spot. That's where

903
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 3: he needs to be. That's what he's recruiting. A Texas

904
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 3: kids a lot easier to get every go to s

905
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 3: and U than it is to Berkeley. So those are

906
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 3: the two. And then of course you go to the

907
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 3: Mountain West. I mean they have seven schools, the top

908
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 3: six schools in the Mountain West. Five had new coaches,

909
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 3: so they had a lot of excitement, a lot of

910
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:35,799
Speaker 3: things to sell. Heck, UNLV's got the number two class

911
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 3: in the Mountain West because they were selling Marcus Arroyo

912
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:40,359
Speaker 3: and his rose ball and they were selling the new

913
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:42,880
Speaker 3: stadium with the Raiders and then they went off horrific

914
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:45,360
Speaker 3: what owen whatever this year. But they do have the

915
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 3: number two class. Yet what hasn't changed. Poise State still

916
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 3: has the number one class. This doesn't have a lot

917
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 3: of commitment. It's got the second smallest class in the

918
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:55,360
Speaker 3: Mountain West. Or third smallest class in the Mountain West.

919
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 3: And yet there they are again with the best class,

920
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:01,800
Speaker 3: highest average rating of recruit highest point total of the conference.

921
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 3: I mean Brian Harson. His name is now being mentioned

922
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 3: again like Chris Peterson, not what the same fervor that

923
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 3: Peterson was, but Harson's name, Mike Sickle is mentioned with

924
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:11,839
Speaker 3: a lot of jobs a get Boise State coaches keep

925
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 3: chucking along and bringing in good classes.

926
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 2: You haven't physically seen as many players and how they

927
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 2: look today, how do they physically look in a camp

928
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:24,359
Speaker 2: or during games, or you haven't seen as many as

929
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 2: you normally do by this time of year, especially with

930
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 2: the All American Games and the practices beforehand. But if

931
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 2: you had to group a few guys across the country

932
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 2: that purely reflect how you react to reacted to seeing

933
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 2: like a Sean Robinson or Trevor Lawrence, guys that you

934
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 2: can't believe are still in high school, that are so

935
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 2: clearly physically ready and technique ready for college football. Who

936
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:54,760
Speaker 2: are those guys that are like, oh, this this gentleman

937
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:56,839
Speaker 2: looks like a twenty five year old. Who are those

938
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:01,840
Speaker 2: physically beyond ready guys in this class?

939
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 3: I remember seeing James Williams, who is the number one

940
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 3: safety in the country. He's committed to Miami. He's been

941
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 3: committed to Miami for I think three years. Saw at

942
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 3: the end of his sophomore year at a seven on

943
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 3: seven tournament in Las Vegas, and he was playing with

944
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 3: his team Death Coon. And at the time I didn't

945
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 3: know where Deathcon was from, so but you can you

946
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 3: could hear this kid. He was loud, he was energetic,

947
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 3: he was found like, this has got to be a

948
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:25,360
Speaker 3: team from Florida. Sure enough it was, and here he is.

949
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:27,839
Speaker 3: He was sixty five, two hundred and fifteen pounds as

950
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 3: a sophomore. He'd be playing corner one play, he played

951
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:32,919
Speaker 3: linebacker the next play, he played safety in the next play.

952
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 3: And we had him as a top fifty guy already

953
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 3: in this class. But you could have convinced me in

954
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 3: whatever that was February of twenty nineteen that he could

955
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 3: go play at Miami right away, but he wasn't going

956
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 3: to get there for two more years. So he was

957
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 3: the one guy that I'm like, two years ago he

958
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:51,319
Speaker 3: could go. The other one that I probably thought. You know,

959
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:53,760
Speaker 3: obviously I've been a big fan of JP two Mololow

960
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 3: since he first started. But I remember seeing Corey Forman

961
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 3: as a sophomore, and then he goes to the Opening

962
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:00,799
Speaker 3: Finals as an underclass I think he was the only

963
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 3: underclass defensive lineman that was at the last Opening Finals

964
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 3: in Texas in twenty nineteen, and he won the MVP dominated.

965
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 3: I mean, Brian Rizzi was there that day and Corey

966
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 3: Former was the one who left with the MVP. And

967
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 3: he still had two more years of high school football

968
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 3: that he had. And then I remember seeing a mecha

969
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 3: Guka for the first time when he was a ninth grader,

970
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 3: and then I got to see him again in that

971
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 3: winner when he was in a seven on seven tournament,

972
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 3: and you can just see that this kid had the

973
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 3: makings of a special receiver. Even as a sophomore. He

974
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 3: goes around was a four to four to two laser

975
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 3: forty at the Army Combine in January of his sophomore year.

976
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 3: Over the course of the next forty eight hours, he

977
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 3: and his father are in his stepdad were on my

978
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 3: flight home. I think he landed about fifteen offers from

979
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 3: Friday afternoon until Sunday night. We landed back in Seattle,

980
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 3: and you could have told me then he could go

981
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 3: play two years and he could go to college right now.

982
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 3: But he is two more year of high school football.

983
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:55,400
Speaker 3: There was a reason that he was the National Junior

984
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 3: of the Year last year. Just a grown man playing

985
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:00,799
Speaker 3: a grown man's sport, but against high schoo kids. And

986
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 3: that's why I think he's going to have an opportunity

987
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 3: to play, even though it's a loaded receiver room at

988
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:07,320
Speaker 3: Ohouse State. I think he'll play as a true freshman

989
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:08,919
Speaker 3: next year because he is more than.

990
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 2: College ready, something I've always been curious about, and it

991
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 2: changes every year. But a lot of the dirty work

992
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 2: in recruiting, and I don't say that to imply anything more.

993
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 2: The tiring, day to day minutia of college football recruiting

994
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 2: is done by support staff at these various programs, with

995
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 2: the biggest schools investing in the biggest staffs in that department.

996
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 2: What does that dirty work involve? What is that daily

997
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:40,400
Speaker 2: grind that people way way down on that athletic athletic

998
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 2: staff directory on the web page. What are they doing

999
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 2: and how much is what they're doing versus how much

1000
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 2: of what coaches are doing is sealing these deals?

1001
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 3: I would say that coaches do a good job in

1002
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 3: recruiting when they do the recruiting, because the majority of

1003
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 3: the recruiting is being done by the twenty three year

1004
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:03,280
Speaker 3: old staffer who's got access to the head coach's phone,

1005
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:06,839
Speaker 3: who's got access to the offensive coordinators Twitter, who's got

1006
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 3: access to the defensive coordinators Instagram, and sends those messages

1007
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:14,319
Speaker 3: as that coach. But it's not that coach is sending it,

1008
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:16,880
Speaker 3: and he's the one that's building the relationship. And then

1009
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 3: when they go on and in home visible doing them miscycle.

1010
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 3: But when a coach is getting ready to go on

1011
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 3: an in home visit, that twenty three year old staffer

1012
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 3: is on the phone basically saying, Okay, coach, these are

1013
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 3: the main bullet points that you don't know because you've

1014
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 3: never recruited this kid. Go close the deal on it

1015
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:34,239
Speaker 3: by telling this that that complimenting mom, complimenting grandma. Those

1016
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 3: guys work their tails off. I was text with a

1017
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 3: few yesterday. They're in the office at three am yesterday.

1018
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 3: And assistant coaches, you know, they get their two or

1019
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:44,240
Speaker 3: three cop And that's not all assistant coaches, but there

1020
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 3: are some that they're clearly there for their exes and

1021
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 3: ose ability and not for their recruiting chops. They get

1022
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 3: their two commits in June and they're done. And yet

1023
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 3: it's the twenty five year old staffer who's maintaining that

1024
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 3: relationship for seven months after the kid commits in May

1025
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 3: to ensure that the kids still signs with that school

1026
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 3: and that he's not being ghosted by the coach who

1027
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 3: recruited him. So those guys work their tails off and

1028
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:08,799
Speaker 3: don't get any of the credit. They don't get any

1029
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 3: of the glory. When there's a National Recruiter of the

1030
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 3: Year nand or a Conference Recruit of the Year, it's

1031
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 3: usually an assistant coach. Usually that assistant coach does do

1032
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 3: his own recruiting, but so much of the groundwork is

1033
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:21,760
Speaker 3: laid by the staffers and by the ADA and staff.

1034
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:24,759
Speaker 3: And that's why we saw last year USC really kind

1035
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 3: of talk about, well, the part of the reason our

1036
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 3: class is down is because we don't have the admin

1037
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:32,360
Speaker 3: ers of support staff like the SEC schools do. So

1038
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:35,240
Speaker 3: what does USC do. They hire three or four new

1039
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 3: administrators in the football Recruiting office to ramp up their efforts.

1040
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:42,839
Speaker 3: They hire new media guys from LSU to get all

1041
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 3: hands on deck. Because so much of the work is

1042
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 3: done by those guys rather than the assistant coaches who

1043
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:49,840
Speaker 3: they're trying to coach during the season.

1044
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 1: Brandon I got two questions before we let you go again.

1045
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 1: He is the national recruiting editor for twenty four to

1046
00:50:57,080 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 1: seven Sports. One topic that we haven't covered here, I'm

1047
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 1: sure we will cover more in the future is this

1048
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:08,320
Speaker 1: whole name, image and likeness legislation that seemingly is closer

1049
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:10,800
Speaker 1: now than ever before to becoming any kind of reality.

1050
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 1: Is that something that recruits or even recruiters are broaching

1051
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 1: at all, either amongst themselves or with people such as yourself.

1052
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:26,360
Speaker 3: No question. And I think Oklahoma kind of showed a

1053
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 3: stink preview of that a year ago when if you

1054
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 3: remember at siny Ad last year, they had each recruit

1055
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 3: that signed had his own logo, his own branding done,

1056
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 3: and had his own logo designed as part of his

1057
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 3: announcement when he when Lincoln Riley got the letter of

1058
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 3: intent in, they would tweet this kid's own personal logo.

1059
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:46,719
Speaker 3: And so there's schools that realize this is going to

1060
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 3: be a hot button issue. You're going to have some

1061
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:50,880
Speaker 3: of your old school schools that are going to still

1062
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 3: try to fight it. But then you have the schools

1063
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:55,840
Speaker 3: that realize we can benefit from this if we just

1064
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 3: get out in front and say, hey, we're going to

1065
00:51:57,760 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 3: help you with your branding, We're going to help you

1066
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 3: with your name, with your marketing, and this is what

1067
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 3: we can do for you. We saw USC about a

1068
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:06,840
Speaker 3: month and a half of two months ago do a

1069
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:10,440
Speaker 3: campaign ultimately got taken down by their own Twitter, but

1070
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 3: at one point it was up there with the with

1071
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 3: the boulevard that they were pushing and you know why.

1072
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm sorry Hawaii, Hollywood. And one of the

1073
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 3: key recruits in this class who didn't sign yesterday was

1074
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:24,960
Speaker 3: Cier Wright, who is one of the top one hundred

1075
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 3: players in the country. He's a corner at Loyola High

1076
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:29,439
Speaker 3: School Lost Angelis. He's going to star in Space Jam

1077
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 3: Shoot Too next year as Lebron James sunt Well. USC

1078
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 3: has been pushing hard for him, and it's hard to

1079
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 3: think that a kid who's going to start and what's

1080
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:39,799
Speaker 3: probably going to be a billion dollar movie if we

1081
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 3: were allowed to go to the movies in twenty twenty one,

1082
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:45,360
Speaker 3: he's going to leave Hollywood where his name, image and

1083
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 3: likeness as a football player is only going to enhance

1084
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:50,239
Speaker 3: his brand. But you're going to see more and more

1085
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 3: schools in corporate and we've seen that over the last

1086
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 3: two signing days where more and more schools have incorporated

1087
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 3: the branding. When in Ohio State would announce the recruit yesterday,

1088
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 3: they would announ that's where the kid was from, his

1089
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 3: position is, height and weight, and then they would also

1090
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 3: put his Twitter and his Instagram to build up his

1091
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 3: brand and build up his social media presence. And more

1092
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:11,799
Speaker 3: and more schools are going to do that, and I

1093
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 3: think as soon the sooner they adapt to that and

1094
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:17,399
Speaker 3: understand that this is going to be what helps them

1095
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:19,760
Speaker 3: in recruiting. Gone in the days where a photo shoots

1096
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 3: the most important thing, it's now how can you improve

1097
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:22,720
Speaker 3: my brand?

1098
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:27,759
Speaker 1: Final question, perhaps the most important question. There was a

1099
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 1: player in this class who goes by the name of

1100
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:35,399
Speaker 1: Sam Jackson Brandon. We've been doing the name game here

1101
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 1: on the show for a long time. Never have we

1102
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 1: had a Sam Jackson before. I'm wondering if there are

1103
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:43,400
Speaker 1: any other names that rise to that level in this

1104
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:44,400
Speaker 1: year's class.

1105
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 3: I was prepared for this one this year because usually

1106
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:50,440
Speaker 3: every year I get thrown off and I always have

1107
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 3: the name and then I forget them, fund it. I mean,

1108
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:57,319
Speaker 3: Dabo's got a quarterback coming in named Bubba. If there

1109
00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 3: is not a more perfin just cage between a head

1110
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:05,279
Speaker 3: coach and a quarterback, Dabbo and Bubba pretty much checks

1111
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:08,239
Speaker 3: every box. I like what us he's getting out of

1112
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:09,840
Speaker 3: a kid. I wrote about him this week because he

1113
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:12,880
Speaker 3: got invited the All American Ball Prophet Brown. Yeah, he

1114
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 3: is as a corner you know, his ability to anticipate

1115
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:18,880
Speaker 3: and get a good break on that pass from the

1116
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 3: quarter of the future is going to allow He's going

1117
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 3: to see the future. He's going to know how to

1118
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 3: jump routes. So that's probably I love profit, but I mean,

1119
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:28,719
Speaker 3: come on, Bubba and Dabbo, are we really going to

1120
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 3: try to find something better than that? But I do

1121
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:35,239
Speaker 3: have two more because I've been on the uh you know,

1122
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 3: pounding the trains for the last couple of weeks that

1123
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:40,919
Speaker 3: in my opinion that the best quarterback, I'm sorry about

1124
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:44,320
Speaker 3: the best quarterback the best receiver in college football is

1125
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:47,640
Speaker 3: Devonte Smith. Well, guess what, Alabama's got another Davonte Smith

1126
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 3: coming in. He's playing cornerback this time, so you know

1127
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:53,799
Speaker 3: it's we say Alabama every year they reload, I mean

1128
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 3: they literally reload where they get the same name players

1129
00:54:57,400 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 3: coming in every single year. And then I got to

1130
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:02,759
Speaker 3: throw a now to you, Dan, because we can't have

1131
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:05,799
Speaker 3: a class with a guy named Kingsley and not talk

1132
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 3: about a Boston's lineman named Kingsley. The last name is

1133
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:12,520
Speaker 3: not always the easiest to pronounce. When you have a

1134
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 3: name like Kingsley, we don't talk about your last name.

1135
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:18,840
Speaker 2: I am pretty does Oregon not have future bookends of

1136
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:21,840
Speaker 2: Kingsley and Bram Is that?

1137
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 1: Is that true?

1138
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 3: Graham Walden and a center named Jackson Light who is

1139
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:30,359
Speaker 3: not light at all? Oh?

1140
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:30,839
Speaker 1: I like that.

1141
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 2: Here's here's the actual tradition that we have other than

1142
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:37,279
Speaker 2: the great names. Is uh, let's just be very vain

1143
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 2: and self serving. Go deep on Notre Dames class and

1144
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:41,920
Speaker 2: go deep on Organs class. Not a question of command,

1145
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 2: Notre Dame class.

1146
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 3: Hey, I like what Notre Dame did? They got a

1147
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:47,800
Speaker 3: couple of kids. First of all, anytime you go into

1148
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:49,680
Speaker 3: the eight oh five where we all know the best

1149
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 3: football in the world, actually, Dan, they you do know that,

1150
00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:58,840
Speaker 3: So you know you'll be excited when I hear that.

1151
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:01,400
Speaker 3: You know, Devin op who is one of the top

1152
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 3: players in Ventura County in this class. He was a

1153
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:07,400
Speaker 3: long time committed to UCLA and they flipped him a

1154
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:10,880
Speaker 3: week ago. What I like here is that we're seeing

1155
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 3: with Notre Dame's classes, we're continuing to see the man

1156
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:15,440
Speaker 3: Tito with that we sought last year when they got

1157
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 3: Jordan Botello. This year they were able to get Kahanu

1158
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:20,320
Speaker 3: Kia from Prunojo. And this is a kid who was

1159
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:23,400
Speaker 3: originally talking about taking his mission and going and serving

1160
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:27,439
Speaker 3: his LDS mission right away and Nebraska Utah his dad

1161
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:29,719
Speaker 3: played at Utah Utah thought that they were going to

1162
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:31,400
Speaker 3: get him and he was going to go service mission,

1163
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:33,720
Speaker 3: come back in twenty twenty two. And then Brian Pollyan

1164
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 3: did what he does. He goes into Hawaii and he

1165
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:38,960
Speaker 3: gets a linebacker. So you look at Notre Dames class

1166
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 3: and obviously they've got Tyler Bustner, he's the star. Blake Fisher,

1167
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 3: a kid from Indiana, one of the top linemen in

1168
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:48,880
Speaker 3: the country. Rocko Spindler another great name out of Michigan

1169
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 3: who they battled Michigan for. But they did a really

1170
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 3: good job out West this year, and you know, maybe

1171
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:56,680
Speaker 3: that's because of an Ian book. Maybe it's because of

1172
00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 3: an Isaiah Foski. Some of the guys on their team

1173
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:01,240
Speaker 3: that are from the West Phis and Notre Day's always

1174
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:03,399
Speaker 3: had a presence, but this year it seemed to be

1175
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:05,759
Speaker 3: interestingly enough, in a year where they couldn't really get

1176
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:07,919
Speaker 3: on the road, they had a few more guys from

1177
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:10,160
Speaker 3: the West coast, And maybe we've seen in the last

1178
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:12,799
Speaker 3: couple of years. The other name of the guy that

1179
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 3: I'm a big fan of in this class is quarterback

1180
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 3: by the name of Ron Paulas. I just think that,

1181
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 3: you know, there's going to be a guarantee of a

1182
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 3: couple of Highsend Trophy winners for the young man he

1183
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 3: gets to Notre.

1184
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:25,440
Speaker 1: Dame had to go Ron Palace to close this out,

1185
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:25,840
Speaker 1: didn't you.

1186
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 3: I was just sitting there waiting for and I just

1187
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 3: was like, Oh, do I drop it earlier? Do I

1188
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 3: wait till the end?

1189
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:36,800
Speaker 1: Friends? Here? Why not? All right? What about?

1190
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:41,320
Speaker 3: Yeah? I love this organ class. I think what I

1191
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:43,720
Speaker 3: really like about Orgon is when they recruit in state.

1192
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:46,440
Speaker 3: It's usually for an elite guy. They don't always recruit

1193
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 3: in state, but one of the earliest commits in this

1194
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 3: class was a commit from Keith Brong, who committed after

1195
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:54,760
Speaker 3: the Civil War in twenty nineteen, only to see Noah

1196
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:57,640
Speaker 3: Sewell and Justin Flow commit at that same position and

1197
00:57:57,680 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 3: sign a year ahead of him. And yet it didn't matter.

1198
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 3: Keith Brown became their most vocal recruiter in the day

1199
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:06,800
Speaker 3: and age. In an era where social media recruiting is

1200
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:09,920
Speaker 3: becoming such a part of the recruiting process, Keith Brown

1201
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:12,080
Speaker 3: was one of the few guys in the state of

1202
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:13,960
Speaker 3: Oregon who actually had the opportunity to play for the

1203
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:17,320
Speaker 3: Ducks and just continue to recruit. He had guys come

1204
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:19,280
Speaker 3: and stay with him and then they would go down

1205
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:20,920
Speaker 3: and be able to walk around campus. They would get

1206
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:22,920
Speaker 3: com meet with the coaches. But he kind of hosted

1207
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:24,720
Speaker 3: a few of these guys that would come into town

1208
00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 3: to see Oregon. And I think that that's a big

1209
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 3: deal for Oregon because as much as they recruit nationally,

1210
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:32,440
Speaker 3: when you do have an elite player in your backyard,

1211
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:35,480
Speaker 3: you go get them. Speaking of backyards, they have madd

1212
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:39,280
Speaker 3: a permanent residence in Arizona, getting the number one quarterback

1213
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 3: in Arizona, Ty Thompson. They got the top lineman in

1214
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 3: Arizona and Bram Walden. They got three players from Arizona

1215
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:47,680
Speaker 3: that were right in the backyard of either U of

1216
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:51,280
Speaker 3: A or ASCU. Jonah Miller another four star lineman, and

1217
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:53,600
Speaker 3: they also got two really good tight ends. Well leak

1218
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 3: him out about They got Terence Ferguson out of Colorado.

1219
00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:58,960
Speaker 3: What I think is probably the most remarkable thing that

1220
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 3: Oregon continues to do is to go into the Pac

1221
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:03,880
Speaker 3: twelve footprint and to go into four or five other

1222
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:07,120
Speaker 3: states where there's Pack twelve schools and take their top prospect.

1223
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:10,080
Speaker 3: That's what USC used to do under Pete Carroll. That's

1224
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 3: what USC is expected to do, and right now Mara

1225
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:14,920
Speaker 3: Crystball is the one that's going into the backyard of

1226
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:17,400
Speaker 3: other packtall programs and taking their top guys.

1227
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:21,480
Speaker 1: All right, one final time, his name is Brandon Hoffman,

1228
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:25,120
Speaker 1: National recruiting editor for twenty four seven Sports, calling in

1229
00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:28,479
Speaker 1: from the great state of Alaska. First time that's ever

1230
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:31,040
Speaker 1: happened on this podcast and all the years we've been

1231
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:34,440
Speaker 1: doing at Brandon, thank you as always for your insight.

1232
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:38,360
Speaker 1: Please stay warm up there and hopefully we can talk

1233
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 1: to again sometime soon.

1234
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:42,880
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I'm going to stay as thought out as possible.

1235
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:46,680
Speaker 1: All right, Take care alrighty, there you go. Brandon Hoffman

1236
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:51,000
Speaker 1: calling in from the Great State of Alaska. You've been

1237
00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:51,400
Speaker 1: up there?

1238
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:55,960
Speaker 2: Nope, pevw oh yeah, beautiful, beautiful. Went on a cruise

1239
00:59:56,600 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 2: in high school. It's the only cruise I think, like

1240
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:00,960
Speaker 2: extended cruise I've ever been on.

1241
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:02,720
Speaker 1: You were you cruise guy? You like cruise?

1242
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:06,000
Speaker 2: No, not at all. But I had a good time.

1243
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:09,640
Speaker 2: Like I'm not a not a cruise guy because I

1244
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:12,600
Speaker 2: had a bad time on that cruise. You go up there,

1245
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:14,440
Speaker 2: I think it was we went up to Seattle and

1246
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:16,320
Speaker 2: then maybe we went up to Vancouver and took it

1247
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:18,840
Speaker 2: from there like an Alaskan cruise, and you see glaciers.

1248
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:22,160
Speaker 2: It's it's pretty dramatic and crazy beautiful. We went, you know,

1249
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:25,480
Speaker 2: into towns and went bike riding, and you know, I

1250
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:29,600
Speaker 2: don't know what it's not. I'm saying Alaska isn't a

1251
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:32,520
Speaker 2: summer destination, but that's not true. It was beautiful and

1252
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:34,920
Speaker 2: there's a lot of outdoors things to do, but just

1253
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:38,720
Speaker 2: the idea of sitting on a giant boat and eating

1254
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:41,560
Speaker 2: until you're sick. And I was too young to gamble.

1255
01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:43,560
Speaker 2: Maybe I wasn't. I don't know what the rules are

1256
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:45,920
Speaker 2: on the open seas. But I don't know, it just

1257
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:48,560
Speaker 2: wasn't my scene. I like to explore a little more

1258
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:49,960
Speaker 2: than a cruise allows.

1259
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:52,240
Speaker 1: What was Richard Rubinstein like on that trip?

1260
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 2: Gosh, this was a long time ago, This was probably

1261
01:00:57,600 --> 01:01:02,720
Speaker 2: twenty ish years ago. He I think he enjoyed as

1262
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:05,760
Speaker 2: much as he could the sights and sounds of being

1263
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:08,640
Speaker 2: I think to catch a can and maybe Juno. I

1264
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:11,040
Speaker 2: forget the town, the specific towns we went to in Alaska,

1265
01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:14,720
Speaker 2: but I think he had as good a time as

1266
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:19,960
Speaker 2: one can with a let's call it fifteen, thirteen and

1267
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:24,000
Speaker 2: ten year old boy just being idiots. So it's not

1268
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:26,080
Speaker 2: like you can truly take in the wonders and the

1269
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:29,960
Speaker 2: vistas of the Upper Pacific Northwest. But I think he

1270
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:31,960
Speaker 2: had a good time. He's he's obviously, as you know,

1271
01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:34,440
Speaker 2: traveled a ton and hiked a ton, so he had

1272
01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:35,640
Speaker 2: he was in his element.

1273
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:39,800
Speaker 1: Well look, fun show as always always great to help

1274
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:42,480
Speaker 1: are show on this show. You know how I am

1275
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:45,680
Speaker 1: about funding. We love fun, You love fun shows, and

1276
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:50,720
Speaker 1: Brandon always delivers. Dude knows everything everything about recruiting, always

1277
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:51,680
Speaker 1: good to get hit. He makes me.

1278
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:55,800
Speaker 2: He also makes me feel at home because he's got that,

1279
01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:59,320
Speaker 2: he's got a southern California affect that the Pacific Northwest

1280
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:00,640
Speaker 2: just can't be out of him.

1281
01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:02,080
Speaker 1: It just can't.

1282
01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:05,200
Speaker 2: He's from Ventura County, always likes making reference to it,

1283
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:08,080
Speaker 2: So you know ox narda Ventura and Channel Islands, that

1284
01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:10,520
Speaker 2: whole area. It's fantastic. You should spend time there. Tie,

1285
01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:12,840
Speaker 2: So don't tell too many people, but it's great.

1286
01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:13,480
Speaker 3: You neat well.

1287
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:21,560
Speaker 2: Oceans, everything oceans. So I treasure these shows. So uncommitted

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Speaker 2: Friday Orbit because we are still uncommitted, and I am

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Speaker 2: hopeful that Oregon's class comes together and maybe some other

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Speaker 2: packed twelve classes come together. We get a higher level

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Speaker 2: pack twelve and some underrated big twelve classes come together

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Speaker 2: for you know, guys, taking off our guys. Excuse me, guys,

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Speaker 2: what's what's the word I'm looking for? Just taking the

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Speaker 2: wind out of Oklahoma sails a little bit, Clemson sales

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Speaker 2: a little bit. I know you're keenly interested in the

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Speaker 2: ACC and if notre name sticks around and classes like their's, Miami's,

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Speaker 2: North Carolina's, I think it was a fun class. I

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Speaker 2: don't the Ohio States and Alabama's and LSUS and I

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Speaker 2: just expect this from those classes. I'm curious around the

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Speaker 2: edges where teams are slowly building up into dangerous forces.

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Speaker 1: Dangerous forces. All right, Well, with that being said, thank

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Speaker 1: you so very much for downloading, for listening, for making

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Speaker 1: championship games. We will talk through all of that and

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Speaker 1: much much more on our Sunday reaction show. Again, you

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Speaker 1: Eastern time. That's when we start talking about what happened.

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Speaker 1: Play your reverbs, which again you can dial into at

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Speaker 1: get off your chest, that's where you can do it.

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Speaker 1: For a way, For one, I agree for that guy

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Speaker 1: over there, my good friend Dan Rubinstein, for myself, Tie Hildebrand,

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Speaker 1: will catch y all in a few days. In the meantime,

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Speaker 1: stay solid, peace,