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Speaker 1: Deb Hi, how are you doing excellent among our hairbrain

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Speaker 1: On the other hand, you know, sometimes there's stuff has impact,

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Speaker 1: sometimes it doesn't. And it's a perfect example. And we're

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Speaker 1: gonna be talking about one of our favorite journalists about

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Speaker 1: this later, but um, it's a perfect example of desperation

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Speaker 1: in the media leading them to you know, really prostitute themselves.