1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:03,279 Speaker 1: Wake that ass up early in the morning. The breakfast 2 00:00:03,279 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: Club Morning. 3 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:08,799 Speaker 2: Everybody's dej Envy, Jess, hilarious, Charlamage the guy we are 4 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 2: the breakfast Club Lo La Rosa feeling and for Jess, 5 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:12,080 Speaker 2: and we got. 6 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:14,320 Speaker 1: A special guest in the building. Yes, indeed, my new 7 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 1: book is out right now. 8 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:18,079 Speaker 2: I Live to Tell a Story, A memoir of love, 9 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:21,120 Speaker 2: legacy and resilience. Ladies and gentlemen to me a Mallory, 10 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 2: welcome back to me on family. 11 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 3: How are you feeling. 12 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: It's good to see y'all. I'm good. I'm feeling excited. 13 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 4: Uh yeah, another book today today came out to day. 14 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:31,640 Speaker 4: I Live to day story a memoir. 15 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:35,159 Speaker 5: Yes, and thank you, my brother, thank you. Because you know, 16 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 5: Charlemagne and I as a family made some decisions about 17 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:42,560 Speaker 5: my book deal. I called him to say, hey, I 18 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 5: don't know, am I supposed to it was during the summer. 19 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:46,479 Speaker 1: No, it was twenty twenty one. 20 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:49,560 Speaker 5: I don't know. Okay, it was twenty twenty right, because 21 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:52,519 Speaker 5: the book was released in twenty twenty one, So you know, 22 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 5: I called him to be like, hey, they're offering me 23 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 5: a lot of money, but there's a lot of people 24 00:00:57,480 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 5: offering me different deals. 25 00:00:59,200 --> 00:00:59,959 Speaker 1: What should I do? 26 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 5: So he's like, well, you know, I have a new imprint, 27 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:05,320 Speaker 5: and you know, if you want to be my first book, 28 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 5: I'm down to do a deal with you. And I 29 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 5: was like, Oh, I didn't even need to hear the 30 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 5: rest of it. I just said yes, and I'm excited. 31 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 5: I'm glad that I did. I had a lot of 32 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 5: creative control here. I would text you and say they're 33 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 5: not listening to me. Tell them something, you know, But 34 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 5: it worked out. The whole team has put a lot 35 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 5: of love and energy in these both books. But this 36 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:29,679 Speaker 5: one right here is real special to me. 37 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:32,399 Speaker 4: What's the difference in mindset when it comes to a memoir? 38 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 4: Because I live to tell a story as a memoir. 39 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 4: State of Emergency wasn't a memoir. What's the difference between 40 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 4: the two. 41 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 1: Yeah. 42 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:40,199 Speaker 5: State of Emergency was more so my theory of change 43 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:44,400 Speaker 5: for America. It was really a prescription for what I 44 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 5: think we need to do as a country, and especially 45 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 5: how people can be not just allies of ours, but 46 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 5: really accomplices like throw down with us, get yourself in 47 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 5: trouble if you really stand with black people. But this 48 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 5: book is a prescription for me and hopefully what comes 49 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 5: out of it is that somebody else will read the 50 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 5: book and say, wow, I have I've had some of 51 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 5: the same challenges, or I was thinking of going down 52 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 5: the same path, but I see something different that I 53 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 5: can do. And I know there's a lot of people 54 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:18,920 Speaker 5: out here, especially young girls, who need somebody to tell 55 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 5: them that their mistakes are not the end of life, 56 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 5: you know, because everybody's going to tell you, Oh, you're 57 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 5: too fast, you're too loud, you talk too much. That's 58 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 5: what that's the black girl experience. I'm sure you know 59 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 5: we talk all the time, but you know, but I 60 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 5: think what you now see is that people pay me 61 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 5: to talk. Right, So I went from being told that 62 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 5: I needed to be quiet to people saying, hey, speak up, 63 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 5: you know, and speak up for me. So I'm hoping 64 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 5: that it translates in that way. And in fact, a 65 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 5: lot of people got pre copies, and you know all 66 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 5: the things that happens in the publishing world, and I've 67 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 5: already been hearing from people and I'm on my third 68 00:02:56,919 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 5: tour date pre release. 69 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 1: Well now I'll release. 70 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 5: But the folks who are meeting me and saying, hey, 71 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 5: you touched me in so many ways just because you 72 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 5: were honest about things we try to hide. 73 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:12,800 Speaker 1: That has been really powerful. 74 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 6: What was the decision to do because the front of 75 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 6: the book there's a braids on one side. In the 76 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 6: back of the book is the blone thirty inch bus 77 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:22,360 Speaker 6: down exactly? 78 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 1: What was that decision? 79 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 5: So yeah, so I came up with that. My mother 80 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 5: kept saying, your first book was really good and I 81 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 5: loved it, but your picture needs to be on it. 82 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 5: And I was like, mom, my memoir is going to 83 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 5: have a picture. And I was tossing and turning with 84 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 5: how to represent myself properly? What the corn rolls people 85 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 5: know me for? Especially if you met me after George 86 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 5: Floyd passed away because of or was killed because of 87 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 5: the viral speech in Minneapolis, you probably met the corn 88 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 5: roll because that was all we had, and especially during 89 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 5: the pandemic, I could only get some corn rolls from 90 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 5: my homegirl who does my. 91 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 1: Hair, who was braiding, but we. 92 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 5: Weren't like weaving and doing all of that, spending eight 93 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 5: hours in the salon. So I was out in the 94 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 5: summertime in Kentucky. It was hot, everything was closed down. 95 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 5: The corn rolls worked, and a lot of people met 96 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 5: me that way, and that's me. I'm on the ground. 97 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 5: I love my corn rolls. You see, I've decided to 98 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 5: keep this look even during this release. But that's just 99 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 5: that's not I'm not one dimensional, right, My bus down 100 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 5: is another part of my life. I like to be 101 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 5: a girly girl, and so I've struggled with how to 102 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 5: do both things. Could I put two pictures, it wouldn't 103 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:47,479 Speaker 5: have been too much. And then I just came up 104 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 5: with this idea that I wanted to half do and 105 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:55,599 Speaker 5: everybody thought I was absolutely crazy until they designed it 106 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 5: and came back and said, you know what, this might 107 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 5: actually work. And the other thing that people don't really see, 108 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 5: and well, you know, I pointed out all the time 109 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 5: is that the housing projects I was born and raised 110 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 5: in is in the background of the book, so you 111 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:13,919 Speaker 5: can see the buildings literally where I grew up. And 112 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 5: it's it's really this cover is more than just a cover. 113 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 5: It's like telling you a story about what's in the 114 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 5: book and what's in my life. 115 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 3: Is that where you found your voice? 116 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 5: Brothers, absolutely, because you know in the book there's a 117 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 5: part where it talks about me running around the house 118 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 5: as a little kid, saying power to the people, power 119 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:33,720 Speaker 5: to the people, and everybody in my house is like, okay, 120 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:35,559 Speaker 5: we get it, power to the people, but we tied 121 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:39,920 Speaker 5: go to sleep. My parents have always been super duper black. 122 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:43,839 Speaker 5: They wear Dashiki sweatsuits. You know, they like that black 123 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:49,359 Speaker 5: Koofi's black. And you know, they always took me to 124 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 5: places and spaces where I was empowered, even as a 125 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 5: young kid. You know, you take your kids places and 126 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 5: don't think they're paying attention. But it was getting in 127 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 5: me from young so it translated into you know, where 128 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 5: I am today, and it's been all throughout my life. 129 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 1: What I have learned is when and where to speak. 130 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 5: I've learned to be more mindful and careful about what 131 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:15,599 Speaker 5: I say, you know, and where I say it. But 132 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 5: when I was young, I just was like i'mna say 133 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 5: anything because y'all said power to the people. 134 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 1: So hey, it's like you gotta go there sing woo. 135 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 4: That's a good point because I like, you know, they 136 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 4: always say the opposite of courage is not cowardice is conformity. 137 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 3: So you think that's conforming. 138 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 5: Well, I don't think I was conforming, I think, or 139 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:37,600 Speaker 5: now I don't think I'm conforming. But I'm just wiser, 140 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 5: you know, and I also have learned to protect my peace, 141 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 5: so I don't want to get in every fight. 142 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 1: I don't want to argue all the time. I used 143 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 1: to do that. 144 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 5: I used to spend my whole day going back and 145 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 5: forth with people. And then I realized that I was 146 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 5: not necessarily being as effective in my own life because 147 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 5: my time was spent debating with people who that's what 148 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 5: they do, you know what I mean, that's all they do. 149 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 5: I got all these other things. I run businesses, I 150 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:06,719 Speaker 5: run an organization, I have all this stuff going on, 151 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:09,480 Speaker 5: and I'm sitting up here just in every argument all 152 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 5: the time. So I just decided to make my voice 153 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 5: mean more by using it at the appropriate time. So 154 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 5: I wouldn't say it's conformity, but it certainly is wisdom. 155 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 6: Do you remember what point in your life that was 156 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 6: when you decided to do that, because you have a 157 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 6: lot of battles. 158 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 5: What was that when well, stop arguing with him all 159 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 5: the time? That's where it first started. I just got Look, 160 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 5: I just stopped because between him and Bruh, we can 161 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:43,119 Speaker 5: stay on a text threat for three days fighting about 162 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 5: the same thing. So I just learned how to just 163 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 5: be like, you know what, I'm gonna be quiet. I 164 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 5: know exactly what he does. But we do have meaningful conversation. 165 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 5: I can say that even I'm sure we both will 166 00:07:56,880 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 5: agree that even when we don't agree, we still come 167 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 5: out wiser, like we know a little bit more about 168 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 5: the topic and see different perspectives, which is important. But 169 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 5: I think that when I really learned how to be 170 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 5: more effective and using my voice was during the Women's March, right, 171 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 5: like you know, that was a real, real hard time, 172 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 5: and I once I started going through the controversy and 173 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 5: all the attacks and people coming at me for anything 174 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 5: they could think of, I found myself getting you know, 175 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 5: I was drained trying to explain and it's like, why 176 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 5: do you you just stop? 177 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 1: Just stop. 178 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:36,960 Speaker 5: In fact, some of the sisters around me called me 179 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 5: one day and said, it's not working. Like what you're doing. 180 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 5: You on Twitter, you on Instagram, You're trying to explain. 181 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 5: It's not working. It's not coming across. And it hurt 182 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:47,719 Speaker 5: my feelings because I'm like, but y'all know, y'all know 183 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 5: what they're doing to me. But then it will I 184 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:52,679 Speaker 5: kind of opened my eyes to what they were saying 185 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 5: that I was only making the situation worse. 186 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 1: It wasn't getting better. 187 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 6: So you feel like you wroke. You became stronger in 188 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 6: your messaging after you realize that. 189 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think, well, I know, I became stronger as 190 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 5: a person, right that, which you know is what I 191 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 5: don't think. My message wasn't strong, but it was overkill, 192 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:13,440 Speaker 5: you know what I mean, because you again, you cannot 193 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 5: force people to understand what they're not trying, even if 194 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 5: they already know. Many people already know what you're saying, 195 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 5: and they have decided that they're just not going to 196 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 5: agree with you. So I think it made me stronger 197 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 5: as a person that now when I speak on something, 198 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 5: I absolutely feel convicted. And therefore, whatever I gotta do, 199 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 5: whatever war, I'm in. Hey, to hell with it, we 200 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 5: in it, I do it. 201 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 2: I'm gonna ask good that was going to ask why 202 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 2: the memoir now? Right? Some people will say it's still 203 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 2: too early for a memoir. Some people will say, you know, 204 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 2: a memoir is a period piece of time in your life, 205 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 2: so why now? 206 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 5: Yeah, you know what, I'm at the hopefully like a 207 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 5: little less than halfway point right about fifty. You think 208 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 5: you're kind of at the halfway point of life. I'm 209 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:59,559 Speaker 5: forty four. Obviously, other people. 210 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 1: Thank you very much. I work at this every day. 211 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 5: Obviously, people saw that in me that there was a story. 212 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 5: And when I first when I first sat and wrote 213 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 5: a outline and outline of what would be in the book, 214 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 5: I didn't believe on page one that. 215 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 1: There was a story. I was like, this is whatever. 216 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 5: But by the time we finished the outline and went 217 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 5: over it together, I said, oh my God, like this 218 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 5: is a real powerful story. And I'm at the point 219 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 5: in my life where I can actually walk with this 220 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:36,679 Speaker 5: book and tell the story for myself versus being elderly, 221 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 5: you know, and kind of unable to even remember some 222 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 5: of the things that happened, you know. But obviously a 223 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:44,840 Speaker 5: big part of this book is that I ended up 224 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 5: going to rehab for the pill addiction, which we've talked 225 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:51,319 Speaker 5: about on this show before, and I think that that 226 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:56,080 Speaker 5: marks a really important time that kind of like bookends 227 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:59,560 Speaker 5: the story, you know, from me starting as a little girl. 228 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 5: I tell you all about that because who knew coming 229 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:05,680 Speaker 5: from the projects in Harlem that I was going to 230 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 5: end up on stages in front of millions of people 231 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 5: and that folks would be listening to me as a 232 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:13,559 Speaker 5: leader no one ever instilled that. I mean, my parents 233 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 5: may have told me that, but the world didn't say 234 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 5: little black girl from the Projects can become this. It 235 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 5: just you know, it wasn't a thing. So that's the 236 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 5: first part. But then there's like there's challenges. There's challenges 237 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 5: that come with influence and what some people consider to 238 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 5: be celebrity, even though I don't really use that and 239 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 5: reference to myself, but some people feel that way. There's 240 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 5: challenges that come with all of that and ending up 241 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 5: in that place, that dark place of being in rehab. 242 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 5: It's something that I knew I had to tell and 243 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:48,679 Speaker 5: I don't want it to be like mixed into an 244 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 5: early story. I really wanted it to be like you 245 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 5: and me, we on this journey together right now. When 246 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 5: I said it here on the Breakfast Club in the 247 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 5: Old Space, people started reaching out to me. That you know, 248 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 5: because you're in the world, so you understand. But there 249 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 5: are a lot of people that you would think, whoa, hey, 250 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:11,959 Speaker 5: A lot of people did what I did. Because when 251 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:17,960 Speaker 5: I first contacted Jason Williams, the NBA All Star, you 252 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 5: know he is in the healing space after all the 253 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 5: things we know he went through. My first contact in him. 254 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:26,319 Speaker 5: I was kind of like, Hey, my friend is going 255 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 5: through something, what can you tell me. He let me 256 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 5: do that for two times, two three calls. By the 257 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:33,320 Speaker 5: third call, he was like, Sis, I already know what 258 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 5: it is. It's all good, Like you need to get 259 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 5: shipped together, basically. And I started getting those calls and 260 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 5: some people who were real honest, and I said, Oh, 261 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 5: hold up, this is serious, because these it's not. It 262 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:48,560 Speaker 5: wasn't people who look cracked out on the street. This 263 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 5: was folks who have big jobs, they sitting in big positions, 264 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:54,200 Speaker 5: and they were like, I am so proud of you 265 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 5: that you were brave to speak about it. And you know, 266 00:12:56,720 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 5: I know somebody who might be also dealing. Pilliction is real, 267 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:03,960 Speaker 5: you know what I mean? Pill addiction is real because 268 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 5: it's silent. You don't smell it like alcohol. You don't 269 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 5: see people looking like they're high, but they're taking pills 270 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 5: to numb themselves, all different types of things. And when 271 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 5: I started to see how many people have the same experience, 272 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 5: I knew it was time for me to release this story. 273 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 4: You know, another part of the book that I love 274 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 4: is when you talk about you know what happened with 275 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:27,680 Speaker 4: the Women's March, and you know, not just what happened 276 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:29,440 Speaker 4: with you. I wonder if people are going to read that, 277 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 4: especially women that were involved, and say, man, she wasn't 278 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 4: just ringing the alarm for herself, she was bringing their 279 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 4: along for how they're trying to break us up. That 280 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 4: was such an amazing movement that way. So I feel 281 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 4: like they broke up rather fast. Was that a hard chapter? 282 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:44,200 Speaker 3: Right? Yeah? 283 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 5: Well, the Women's March part is really difficult for me 284 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 5: even to talk about, just because first of all, it 285 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 5: still exists, and there are people there who were a 286 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 5: part of breaking up. 287 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 1: The Women's March. 288 00:13:56,679 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 5: So I try not to call their names because I'm 289 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:01,200 Speaker 5: trying to do better in life. 290 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 1: It took me. 291 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 5: I was as a whole way here. I kept saying, 292 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:08,200 Speaker 5: don't be calling people's names, and so, yeah, it's hard 293 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 5: to write about that. Our experience there is something that, Yes, 294 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 5: it was amazing, incredible. I'm glad I did it, even 295 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 5: knowing what I know, I would do it again because 296 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 5: we made history that can't be taken away from us. 297 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 3: Are duplicated, and it. 298 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 1: Is it does. 299 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 5: I mean, they actually just had something that was you 300 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 5: know good, you know, I'm glad that they're continuing our 301 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 5: work because we certainly were the trailblazers. 302 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 1: We started it. 303 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 5: We the list that is, you know that that they used, 304 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 5: the social media, all of that we created. 305 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 1: That those are people who started. 306 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 5: Following us, and and and and it's not about just 307 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 5: replacing individuals. It's also, in my judgment about the people 308 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 5: who were there were ordained, if you will, to be there, 309 00:14:57,280 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 5: right like it was the place that God put us 310 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 5: and it was for a reason. And so there's a 311 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 5: history that exists that at times it can be painful 312 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 5: to have to relive and then also to kind of 313 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 5: see people act like they were the first ones at 314 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 5: the gate, you know what I mean. And so but 315 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 5: at the same time, I will say that I know 316 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 5: there are some incredible women that are in the Women's 317 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 5: March today, black women who've taken over the space, and 318 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 5: they're making sure that the Women's March continues to be 319 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 5: welcoming to black women. And so, you know, I'm happy 320 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 5: to see that word continue. 321 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 2: I was going to ask, you know, how do you 322 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 2: deal with everything that you're going through? 323 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 3: Right? 324 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 2: We see you on the front lines a lot of times, 325 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 2: we see you online, we see you on TV. But 326 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 2: you have to be going through a lot because not 327 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 2: everybody that's with you is supporting you, right, There's a 328 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 2: lot of people that's going against you, and you have 329 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 2: to deal with that as well. Where you're really trying 330 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 2: to do something, not for financial grain financial gains. A 331 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 2: lot of times it puts you in danger, but you 332 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 2: still do it. But there's a lot of people that 333 00:15:57,520 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 2: still attack you. How do you deal with that? 334 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 5: So I don't mind any you know, I've been in 335 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 5: this for thirty years, envy like, that's how long. That's 336 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 5: how long I've been in this work for thirty years. 337 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 5: I started before my son was born and he's about 338 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 5: to be twenty six, so that's a long time. So 339 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 5: I'm used to attacks, right, And I'm definitely used to 340 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 5: the attacks that come from what is considered to be 341 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 5: the other side. What is often very very frustrating. It's 342 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 5: people who are supposed to be in the movement together, 343 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 5: we're all supposed to be trying to work towards the 344 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 5: same goal, who you just see and hear with the 345 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 5: sly attacks and the sly comments and things that they're 346 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 5: doing and saying to try to discredit the work that 347 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 5: we put in that for me is probably the most 348 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 5: frustrating part. And what's frustrating about it it's not even 349 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 5: that they do it. What's frustrating is that I have 350 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 5: always tried to maintain a posture of not getting into 351 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 5: a public battle with people who were all supposed to 352 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 5: be walking in the same direction. You know. I always 353 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:08,399 Speaker 5: think about and I try to remind myself because I 354 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:11,679 Speaker 5: was raised in the King tradition, right in the Doctor 355 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:14,919 Speaker 5: King tradition. That's what I learned. I learned about the 356 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 5: principles of nonviolence. Carmen, if she was here, Carmen Perez 357 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 5: would say, you attack the forces of evil and not 358 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:24,120 Speaker 5: people doing evil, right, And I've had to tell myself 359 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 5: that over and over and over again, even when evil 360 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:29,880 Speaker 5: means people, even within our movement. 361 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 1: And so I was raised. 362 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 5: I think about this one particular scene in a movie 363 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:37,439 Speaker 5: called King in the Wilderness. 364 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 3: I love it. 365 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 5: I love this one of my favorite documentaries films about 366 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 5: Doctor King because he knows that he's about to die. 367 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 1: He can feel it. You know, he has a great despair. 368 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 5: You can see him walking around and at times you 369 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:55,200 Speaker 5: know that he's like, you know, really going through something 370 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:59,680 Speaker 5: that's telling him this danger Lumen lat yeah, right, last 371 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:04,359 Speaker 5: eight months of his life. And there's a scene where 372 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 5: he is walking next to Stokely Carmichael. 373 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:07,440 Speaker 1: Right. 374 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:09,399 Speaker 5: So, first of all, they're in the same march and 375 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 5: they had tension. Trust me, they had tension, and a 376 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 5: lot of times they kept the attention in the basement 377 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 5: of a building and then came out and they was together. 378 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:23,720 Speaker 5: You couldn't necessarily tell this particular day. They're walking in 379 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 5: the march and the reporter is asking doctor King, like, 380 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 5: what should you know? How should we be moving forward? 381 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:32,239 Speaker 5: What should people be doing? And Doctor King is like, 382 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:36,399 Speaker 5: you know, you know, I believe in the principles of 383 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 5: nonviolence and it is not passive, and he's going on 384 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:43,639 Speaker 5: and on about nonviolence. And then they turn around and 385 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 5: they asked Stokely Carmichael, what do you think that we 386 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:47,920 Speaker 5: should be doing? 387 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 1: What's the direction? 388 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 5: He said, I think we should burn this whole damn 389 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 5: thing down, right, And so it's two different mindsets, two 390 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:58,120 Speaker 5: totally different mindsets, but they're walking in the same direction 391 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 5: and they're able to be there. And doctor King didn't 392 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:03,680 Speaker 5: get scared and say let me run away. In fact, 393 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 5: he used the energy of those people who were like 394 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:10,199 Speaker 5: burn it down, tear it up. And he took that 395 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 5: into these government offices and corporations and wherever else he 396 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 5: was and said, Hey, these folks getting ready to mess 397 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 5: your shit up, like you know, y'all better figure out 398 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:22,879 Speaker 5: what we're doing here. And they also held him accountable 399 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:25,200 Speaker 5: by saying, these are the things that we need you 400 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 5: to get done if you are going to go in 401 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:30,199 Speaker 5: these places and be sort of the voice of the people. 402 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 5: So I've always tried to be that. I've always tried 403 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:36,959 Speaker 5: to be that. But I can also tell when people 404 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:41,360 Speaker 5: are disingenuous, when when it's more about them than it 405 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 5: is about the actual movement, and that is something that 406 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 5: gets me pissed off. Then I'll be ready to, you know, 407 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 5: say things. 408 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:49,679 Speaker 3: Don't you think we need an inside outside? 409 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:53,439 Speaker 4: Because one thing from the same Bacmendary Kingdowilderness, there was 410 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 4: a scene where Lyndon B. Johnson calls Martin Luther King Jr. 411 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:59,720 Speaker 4: When he's in LA I believe for the Watch Rights right, 412 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 4: and he goes, Yo, what is going on? But Martin 413 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 4: knew that call was coming right right. So Martin was like, well, 414 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 4: now we need our check. Like you know, we got 415 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 4: the civil rights and the voting rights and all that, 416 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:11,359 Speaker 4: but now it was about the money that people are 417 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 4: out here hurting. So don't you think you need an 418 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 4: inside outside? 419 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 5: I mean I play it all the time. We played 420 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 5: outside a lot more than we do the inside. So 421 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:22,440 Speaker 5: certainly I think that's important. I think I'm speaking to 422 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:24,959 Speaker 5: something different. But the answer to short answer to your 423 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:26,920 Speaker 5: question is yes, we have to have that. 424 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:29,399 Speaker 4: I think the problem is the inside more than it's 425 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:32,440 Speaker 4: the outside nowadays, because y'all be outside doing what y'all 426 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:33,960 Speaker 4: are supposed to do. But then it's hard to get 427 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 4: people on the inside. Yeah, they want to work with 428 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:38,360 Speaker 4: y'all because they want to you know. 429 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's that's true. 430 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 5: People get comfortable when they get on the inside, and 431 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 5: they are afraid to work with people who are considered 432 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:49,159 Speaker 5: to be controversial, you know. And so I would say 433 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:51,639 Speaker 5: that that is an issue that we deal with. But 434 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 5: not everybody on the inside is like that, you know. 435 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:56,880 Speaker 5: I think about somebody like Mark Morril, who is sort 436 00:20:56,880 --> 00:21:03,119 Speaker 5: of an insider right National Urban League. He's in the buildings, 437 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 5: in the meetings, but there's not been a time when 438 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 5: I've called him to say, Mark, here's our position. Here's 439 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 5: what I want you to say, or here's you know 440 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:13,960 Speaker 5: what I need from you. That he hasn't shown up 441 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 5: to be a partner in that way. And so there's 442 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 5: a lot of people like that, and you know, I 443 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 5: think we have to give credit too, I think, in 444 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:25,200 Speaker 5: every aspect of the movement, because there's outsiders that are problematic, right, 445 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:29,359 Speaker 5: So there's inside outside, it's problematic people all over the place, 446 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:33,199 Speaker 5: which is part of why our struggle seem in the 447 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 5: cycles continue to go around in the ways that they do. 448 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:38,880 Speaker 5: I think we if we were a little bit more 449 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 5: effective in how we coordinate the inside outside, and also 450 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:47,399 Speaker 5: that we identify the opponent not being us. It's not 451 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 5: black institutions, it's not black people, it's not black organizers, 452 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 5: it's not black protesters. The problem is that we're fighting 453 00:21:56,680 --> 00:22:00,919 Speaker 5: against something, and we all need to identify white supremacy 454 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 5: looks like what white nationalism is. We need to identify 455 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:08,439 Speaker 5: what ignorance and hate is and really use our energy 456 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:11,680 Speaker 5: to talk more about our strategies rather than to talk 457 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:15,200 Speaker 5: down on people who have built Because you know, when 458 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 5: I think about black institutions, and I also think about 459 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 5: Black Wall Street and Rosewood and all of these places 460 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:28,120 Speaker 5: that we know black people built real economic power. It 461 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 5: wasn't that black folks didn't do it. It's not that 462 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 5: black institutions weren't a part of it, because it would 463 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 5: not have existed if it had not been for the 464 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:39,919 Speaker 5: work of people who have been have have toiled and 465 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:43,159 Speaker 5: died in order for us literally put their lives and 466 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 5: bodies on the line, in order for us to be 467 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,200 Speaker 5: in the positions that we're in to even be able 468 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 5: to sit here in this great, big, beautiful building today. 469 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:55,120 Speaker 1: But there have been it. At every point. 470 00:22:55,520 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 5: White folks government had literally burned down physical burned down 471 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 5: what we built. So I don't think anybody worked hard 472 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 5: to say, massa, let me in. I want to be 473 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 5: your friend. You know, just accept me. That's not what happened. 474 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 5: People worked so that we can actually enjoy our labor. 475 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 5: As Angela Rai says all the time, we built this 476 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 5: nation for free on our backs. So we're not asking 477 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:26,240 Speaker 5: for anything that we don't deserve. We pay taxes. We 478 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 5: ought to receive part of our tax dollars to help 479 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:34,640 Speaker 5: empower our community. So when folks are saying to the government, 480 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 5: we want positions of power, we want resources for our community. 481 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,920 Speaker 5: We're not asking somebody for a handout for charity. 482 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:43,920 Speaker 1: We're asking for. 483 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 5: The money that's going out of our paycheck to come 484 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:48,159 Speaker 5: back and recycle in our community. 485 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 1: You know. 486 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:53,880 Speaker 5: So I always, I always am cautious about Yes, there 487 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:57,439 Speaker 5: needs to be a critique. We all absolutely need to 488 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 5: critique where we are with our institutions, with our organizations, 489 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 5: and where we are as a movement. But a critique 490 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 5: that is not also coupled with step one, two, three, four, 491 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 5: five six of the next level of the plan is 492 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 5: problematic to me. And be honest with you, I don't 493 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,880 Speaker 5: trust people who spend a lot of time talking about 494 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:22,439 Speaker 5: themselves and then talking down on black institutions. 495 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:23,879 Speaker 1: I don't trust them. 496 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 6: So I was going to say, so, I know the 497 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,360 Speaker 6: target conversation comes up when I think about this, right, 498 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:33,240 Speaker 6: And you were pushing the boycott target when the DEI 499 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 6: stuff happened, and then, like Tabitha Brown, there's people saying, 500 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,119 Speaker 6: don't boycott target, support the black brands so that they 501 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:40,919 Speaker 6: don't erase the black brands out of there. I know 502 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:42,640 Speaker 6: you get pushed back for your take, but I don't 503 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 6: know you also listen to it as well to try 504 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 6: and figure out how to move forward. 505 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 1: What's the answer to all of that? 506 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:47,239 Speaker 3: Right? 507 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 6: Because you're strongly on one side, you got other people 508 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:51,159 Speaker 6: on the other side, Is there ever really answer to that? 509 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 1: Like, what do we really do? 510 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 6: Well? 511 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:54,119 Speaker 5: First of all, people gonna do whatever they gonna do, 512 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 5: So let's just be clear about that. We're never going 513 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 5: to be in a situation where one hundred percent of 514 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:02,439 Speaker 5: anybody of any group says we're all gonna do the 515 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:05,119 Speaker 5: same thing. And I also want to say publicly that 516 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:08,680 Speaker 5: I love and appreciate tap at the Brown. Right, this 517 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 5: is a sister that I watch all the time. You know, 518 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,720 Speaker 5: I see people in my comments section like, oh Taba 519 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 5: think going like we're not doing that right? Like, I'm 520 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:19,719 Speaker 5: supportive of her. I've purchased products from her offline. I 521 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 5: support her. Love the sister and the other black business owners. 522 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 5: Courtney Adele Judy, you know, I call it what she's 523 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:30,920 Speaker 5: BB Judy. I was getting ready to say what BB 524 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 5: means to me, but we ain't gonna do that. 525 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:35,680 Speaker 1: Doing that cleidoscope. 526 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:42,880 Speaker 5: That's right, that's my girl though, love her, love her, 527 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 5: love her, And it's not just her. There's a bunch 528 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 5: of a bunch of things as well. Absolutely lit lip 529 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:55,439 Speaker 5: bar who I just learned of rook Roots. Uh yeah, 530 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 5: So it's it's so many people I want to get 531 00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 5: in trouble for for that. 532 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 3: I actually got a few of them coming up. 533 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 5: Good. 534 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 1: Good. 535 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 5: So all these businesses are important, and I think that 536 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,719 Speaker 5: we do need to support them. But I also understand 537 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 5: that every time you First of all, I'll say two things. 538 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:14,399 Speaker 1: Your presence is also a part. 539 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:18,119 Speaker 5: Of your boycott, right, It's also a part of your protest, 540 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 5: if you will that when you walk through the door 541 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,960 Speaker 5: of a business, a building, anywhere you go, if people 542 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 5: see your face, that also is a sign of support. 543 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,080 Speaker 1: So a part of our withdrawal. 544 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,639 Speaker 5: Is that we shouldn't even be showing up in spaces 545 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,439 Speaker 5: where people are saying they don't want And I am 546 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 5: very careful not to continuously say DEI, because that takes 547 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 5: away the power of the meaning. Diversity, equity and inclusion 548 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 5: are what we're talking about. And so if somebody says 549 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 5: I've decided that I'm rolling back the diversity, equity and inclusion, 550 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:54,919 Speaker 5: what are we talking about. There's no reason for me 551 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,440 Speaker 5: to even give you my money. I just you know, 552 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:01,399 Speaker 5: I don't see a reason to to shopping your stores 553 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,120 Speaker 5: and to be a consumer that helps you to raise 554 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 5: your bottom line. And so for me, I drop brands 555 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 5: all the time and that's why I'm. 556 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:10,200 Speaker 1: Easy to do it. 557 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:15,119 Speaker 5: Gucci had to face the blackface sweater out gone, Nike 558 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 5: cut their contract with Kyrie Irvin, and I felt it 559 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 5: was very unfair. It was just racist to me and 560 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 5: wrong out. I'm done all Nikes going out of my 561 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:27,720 Speaker 5: home and shout out to my song for that because 562 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:29,640 Speaker 5: he started it, and I was kind of like. 563 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:31,680 Speaker 1: We're gonna throw our Nike away? What you mean? 564 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,920 Speaker 5: But then when I really when I really thought about it, 565 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,680 Speaker 5: I was like, you know what, You're actually right, So 566 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 5: I understand, you know what he meant, and you know 567 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:43,680 Speaker 5: why he did that and why that was his protest. 568 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 5: And guess what, Now I'm on actively Black. So it 569 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:50,120 Speaker 5: was like a mindset shift that I went from wearing 570 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,480 Speaker 5: all the tech suits wearing all the Nikes too. Now 571 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:58,440 Speaker 5: I'm in actively black and other black sports where and 572 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:00,720 Speaker 5: I started wearing Cya Collector sneakers. 573 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:02,360 Speaker 1: I immediately I needed. 574 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 5: Something right, and I immediately thought, let's transform spending money 575 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,879 Speaker 5: with these people and start spending it with our own. 576 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 5: And that's why I've been saying to people that that 577 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 5: is for us. In a lot of ways, what we 578 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:17,919 Speaker 5: know will happen, what will come out of this is 579 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 5: that people are frustrated, they're angry, they want to do something, 580 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:24,119 Speaker 5: they want to get active, and now they're able to 581 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:27,159 Speaker 5: take and shift their power. Now, the first part of 582 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,440 Speaker 5: it is learning how to hold your money. Because we 583 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,359 Speaker 5: are big consumers. You know, we love to spend money. 584 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,159 Speaker 5: So the first part is learning how to hold your money. 585 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 5: The next part is when you start thinking, well, where 586 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 5: else how can I be creative in other places that 587 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 5: I can go to? Maybe let me look online to 588 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 5: see if there's a black company that can ship me 589 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 5: paper towels and toilet tissues. That is how you start 590 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:55,280 Speaker 5: to transition the thought the thought and excuse me the mindset, 591 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 5: if you will. 592 00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 1: And that's what we're working on. 593 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,280 Speaker 5: I think that people often forget when folks say, you 594 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 5: know a boycotts, boycotts don't work, or why boycott? What 595 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 5: people don't understand about us is that we are and 596 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 5: I have to remind folks we're frontliners. 597 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 1: This is what we do. We prepare people for combat. 598 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:18,720 Speaker 5: When people come through our doors, they are trained mentally 599 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 5: for whatever the next steps are going to be and 600 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:22,920 Speaker 5: if other people say, well, we need to do more, 601 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,560 Speaker 5: because this is me and Charlomagne arguing about what about 602 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 5: this company? And what about Amazon? And what about Walmart? 603 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,960 Speaker 5: And what about Meta? Those things are important and there 604 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:35,880 Speaker 5: are people who are doing all of it. 605 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,760 Speaker 1: Some people don't. They are my comment. 606 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 5: Sections saying they're never going back to Walmart. They got 607 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 5: rid of everybody on the DEI list. But there are 608 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 5: people who need to start somewhere. And there is power 609 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:53,800 Speaker 5: in using your force to attack one particular issue at 610 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:57,040 Speaker 5: a time. Once you are able, in my judgment, to 611 00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:01,160 Speaker 5: show Target that we as black women especially spend a 612 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 5: lot of money with you that I think the numbers 613 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,320 Speaker 5: are around twenty nine million dollars you would lose in 614 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 5: one day if all black people didn't shop in Target. Right, 615 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 5: If we can show Target that the message resonates with 616 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,640 Speaker 5: all the other companies that you're talking about, everybody gets 617 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:19,600 Speaker 5: the message that wait a minute, the black people are 618 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 5: getting upset. We need that two trillion dollars of spending 619 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 5: that they usually circulate within our companies and our businesses, 620 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:32,080 Speaker 5: and now they're starting to think and move differently. Once 621 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:36,120 Speaker 5: you start saying I'm actually going to join this movement 622 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,600 Speaker 5: and start to boycott and start to. 623 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,400 Speaker 1: Fast from particular businesses. 624 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,040 Speaker 5: It's easier for you to start thinking, well, what else 625 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:44,880 Speaker 5: can we do together? 626 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 2: I guess people will question it, like how do you 627 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:48,880 Speaker 2: decide which business to start? 628 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:49,160 Speaker 3: Right? 629 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 2: Because you know you can say Target, But like you 630 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:53,920 Speaker 2: said Walmart, people say, get their packages on Amazon. 631 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:54,080 Speaker 5: Right. 632 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:54,920 Speaker 3: People are still on. 633 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 2: Facebook all day long, They're still on Instagram all day 634 00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 2: So I guess people were saying, like, how do you 635 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:00,840 Speaker 2: pick and choose which way to go? 636 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 5: So I have a perfect answer for you for that. 637 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,239 Speaker 5: It comes from the people. It comes from the bottom up. 638 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 5: You have to be able to listen to people. So 639 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:15,520 Speaker 5: I'll give you an example. In my comment section. There 640 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:19,040 Speaker 5: are black women in there who are saying Target hit different. 641 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:23,400 Speaker 5: It feels different to them right they go. People say 642 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:27,000 Speaker 5: what about Meta? Well, when I open my phone for Meta, 643 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:30,720 Speaker 5: I don't see my bank account dwindling. It just doesn't 644 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,480 Speaker 5: resonate the same way. It's not to say Meta is 645 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:36,960 Speaker 5: not problematic, but people do not see the bottom line 646 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:42,440 Speaker 5: of their bank account impacted by their getting on social media. 647 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:45,520 Speaker 5: There's a black woman in my comments right now saying 648 00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 5: that when she closed her Target card, she looked at 649 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:52,600 Speaker 5: what she spent, and she spent forty six thousand dollars 650 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:53,960 Speaker 5: over twelve years. 651 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:56,240 Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying. 652 00:31:56,240 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 5: We gave it a nickname, we called it Tarjam and 653 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 5: walked in there feeling at home, feeling. 654 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,160 Speaker 1: Like, Okay, I'm safe in Target. 655 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:07,320 Speaker 5: I could spend four hours in here buying stuff I'm 656 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 5: not even supposed to have, but I feel comfortable. So 657 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:14,120 Speaker 5: with movements I always use I've been using this example 658 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,280 Speaker 5: for the last few weeks there. I've been involved in 659 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:19,000 Speaker 5: all types of police shootings. 660 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:20,800 Speaker 1: Some of them are. 661 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:24,080 Speaker 5: Worse than anything that you could name on this show. 662 00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:28,840 Speaker 5: And we know some really bad situations, and for whatever reason, 663 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:34,120 Speaker 5: there are certain issues that touch people. When you see that, 664 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:38,040 Speaker 5: as an organizer, you don't say, well, what about ism? 665 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,560 Speaker 1: Because what about ism is the art of confusion. 666 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,000 Speaker 5: It keeps people in paralysis and they don't want to 667 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:46,200 Speaker 5: move at all. You have to say, well, I see 668 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:49,760 Speaker 5: people are really concerned about Breonna Taylor. Even though Pam 669 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:53,520 Speaker 5: Turner was shot to death as a woman, a older 670 00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:56,760 Speaker 5: woman who was mentally unstable. She was shot to death 671 00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:00,720 Speaker 5: in Houston, Texas, outside of her building by who knew 672 00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,920 Speaker 5: she had mental illness and he gunned down while she 673 00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:07,920 Speaker 5: was on the ground laying down. That's terrible. But guess 674 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 5: what did you hear about Pam Turner? Probably nay. 675 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:13,400 Speaker 6: I think I did see us wipe through breaking down 676 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 6: her case a bit, but it wasn't. 677 00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:20,000 Speaker 5: It's not something digital exactly. Brianna Taylor. Terrible, but Brianna Taylor. 678 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:24,400 Speaker 5: It mobilized people. It got people really upset this young 679 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,000 Speaker 5: girl in her house. They got really upset about it. 680 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 5: So we have continued to lift Pam Turning. In fact, 681 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:33,880 Speaker 5: we bring her daughter with us to events and Toorny 682 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,480 Speaker 5: Crump continues to check on her, and I love her. 683 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:37,520 Speaker 1: Dear young sister. 684 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:41,120 Speaker 5: And I'm sure there are times and I've had other families, 685 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,840 Speaker 5: not her, not Pam Turner's family, but I've had other 686 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:47,360 Speaker 5: families say why not us, like look at me? I 687 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:49,560 Speaker 5: also have lost a loved one, and it seems like 688 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:51,720 Speaker 5: everybody is organizing over here. 689 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:52,920 Speaker 1: That happens. 690 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:56,440 Speaker 5: We should continue to bring those people, But you cannot 691 00:33:56,480 --> 00:34:00,720 Speaker 5: stop a grassroots movement from rising from the round up. 692 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:01,680 Speaker 1: You can't do that. 693 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:06,120 Speaker 5: So for whatever reason, Target has touched a nerve in 694 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,960 Speaker 5: people and has made them feel like they're ready to 695 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:10,200 Speaker 5: get active on that. 696 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,600 Speaker 1: And I don't think that we need to shift the energy. 697 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,920 Speaker 5: I think we need to use Target as a starting point. 698 00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,600 Speaker 5: As has been said Nina Turner. Let's give her the 699 00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:22,600 Speaker 5: honorable Nina Turner hopefully should be up here soon. Her 700 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:27,080 Speaker 5: and of course Jamal Brian has the Target fast. These 701 00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,799 Speaker 5: two individuals are looking at where we are and how 702 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,839 Speaker 5: do we start? And now we can take that and say, oh, 703 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,640 Speaker 5: and just so you know, because I just saw Disney World, 704 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,120 Speaker 5: I think yesterday they announced that they're rolling back their 705 00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:40,239 Speaker 5: DEI practices. 706 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:42,799 Speaker 1: So now what do we do about that? We can 707 00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:44,200 Speaker 1: continue to move people. 708 00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:49,319 Speaker 5: And you're also talking about folks who've never ever boycotted anything. 709 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:51,279 Speaker 1: They've been the best consumers. 710 00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:56,120 Speaker 5: You are now having to retrain people's minds to know 711 00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:58,880 Speaker 5: that you're not gonna die if you don't go to Target. 712 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:03,160 Speaker 5: There's other places that have your makeup, white removers or 713 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,279 Speaker 5: your dog food, you know what I'm saying. 714 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:07,880 Speaker 4: So I got a lot of different questions, you know, 715 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:09,640 Speaker 4: And I think what you said about the confusion part 716 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:11,880 Speaker 4: is very true, right because even when it comes to 717 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,719 Speaker 4: things like Nike. Yeah, okay, Kyrie, Irvan, you know is 718 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:16,680 Speaker 4: no longer with Nike, but then they have people like 719 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:21,120 Speaker 4: Lebron James. Of course, I have people like Colin Kaepernick. Yeah, 720 00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,680 Speaker 4: people like I guess I'm wanna talk about Lebron and 721 00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:27,320 Speaker 4: Colin in particular, is because they do different levels of activism, 722 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,000 Speaker 4: so people feel like they still want to support that, 723 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:33,279 Speaker 4: or you know, even with the Target thing. Yes, if 724 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,279 Speaker 4: there's a grassroots movement and people are saying, hey, I 725 00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:37,279 Speaker 4: want a boycott Target, cool, But what about when they 726 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,640 Speaker 4: look at this whole other list and they do ask they. 727 00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:40,919 Speaker 3: Will continue to ask that question. 728 00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,240 Speaker 4: They will continue to say, well, you're still using Amazon, 729 00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,960 Speaker 4: You're still going to Walmart, you know, you're still on Meta. 730 00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:51,480 Speaker 5: Yeah, but I don't think that it is the responsibility. 731 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,840 Speaker 5: First of all, I'll say this, if you boycott your shoes, 732 00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:58,399 Speaker 5: your shirt, your pants, your T shirt, your underwear all 733 00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,680 Speaker 5: at the same time you walk around get people not 734 00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:03,439 Speaker 5: gonna do that. That's not realistic. And I don't think 735 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:07,240 Speaker 5: that we should set unrealistic goals for ourselves and our movement. 736 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:11,319 Speaker 5: It's already hard enough to get people just to lect 737 00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,880 Speaker 5: the algorithm rhythm, or for the algorithm to push the 738 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:19,319 Speaker 5: message that there is even a Target fast or a 739 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:20,320 Speaker 5: Target boycott. 740 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,319 Speaker 1: That's like not easy to do. 741 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:24,560 Speaker 5: You actually got to hit the streets, knock on doors, 742 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,399 Speaker 5: and talk to people directly, which we are beginning to do. 743 00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,320 Speaker 1: Nikima Armstrong, who. 744 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:34,960 Speaker 5: Is an organizer in Minnesota. This is the local community 745 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:39,840 Speaker 5: where the Target headquarters is located and the place where 746 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,920 Speaker 5: my viral speech which I mentioned Target in the speech, 747 00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:46,560 Speaker 5: where it happened because of George Floyd. Like that's the 748 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:50,279 Speaker 5: other thing, is like the connection between Target and that 749 00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:56,439 Speaker 5: moment when the city of Minneapolis was burning down, right, 750 00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:00,359 Speaker 5: Like y'all remember that when everything was on fire and 751 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:04,880 Speaker 5: Target seemed to remain standing right there and it was 752 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:08,600 Speaker 5: next to an AutoZone. The AutoZone was burned down, the 753 00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:12,200 Speaker 5: police precinct was burned down, and Target was right there. 754 00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,600 Speaker 5: In my speech when I said I don't give a 755 00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:18,200 Speaker 5: damn if they burned down Target, because Target ought to 756 00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:22,279 Speaker 5: be out here with us fighting for justice, I wasn't 757 00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,919 Speaker 5: saying go burn down Target. I'm just saying, don't even 758 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:29,040 Speaker 5: bring up buildings burning. When a man was killed, he 759 00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:32,400 Speaker 5: was murdered on TV in front of a bunch of 760 00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,280 Speaker 5: people who a part of them was murdered as well, 761 00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:39,200 Speaker 5: in that moment, and Target the next day released a 762 00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:42,120 Speaker 5: statement saying they were going to open the doors and 763 00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:44,840 Speaker 5: let people come in and out and get whatever they wanted. 764 00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:48,160 Speaker 5: Folks were in Target getting milk for the eyes of 765 00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:50,839 Speaker 5: protesters who you know, the police were out there tear 766 00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:54,000 Speaker 5: gasing people. They were getting alcohol and gods and everything 767 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:57,160 Speaker 5: else that they needed to deal with, rubber bullets, and 768 00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,600 Speaker 5: I'm sure they got some TVs and some pamps and 769 00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:01,880 Speaker 5: some the things too. I'm not gonna say they didn't. 770 00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:05,000 Speaker 5: I'm sure they did. But Target heard the message. So 771 00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:08,160 Speaker 5: the connection is not some pie in the sky thing 772 00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:11,520 Speaker 5: that we just said, oh, we're just gonna pick on Target. No, 773 00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,800 Speaker 5: that the CEO came out and said, this could have 774 00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:18,560 Speaker 5: been one of my employees. So how when Donald Trump 775 00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:24,080 Speaker 5: comes with his racist attack on diversity, equity and inclusion, 776 00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:26,680 Speaker 5: do you just fold like that and people say, well, 777 00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,240 Speaker 5: you know, no, no, no, they still have the program, 778 00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:31,879 Speaker 5: which by the way, they have not said a thing. 779 00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:34,000 Speaker 5: So I just want to say for people who are 780 00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:37,080 Speaker 5: listening who keep calling me telling me, well, did you 781 00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:40,280 Speaker 5: talk to this person and that person? Because they still 782 00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,640 Speaker 5: have a program and they still are committed to some 783 00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,120 Speaker 5: of these things. The question that I have for you 784 00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,160 Speaker 5: is when is Target gonna come out and talk about it. 785 00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:49,160 Speaker 4: I never understand why any of those corporations are not 786 00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,000 Speaker 4: any of this publicly, To be honest. 787 00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:52,120 Speaker 5: With you, right, you could have changed it and we 788 00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:55,600 Speaker 5: wouldn't have even known, right, Like, they haven't done it. Well, 789 00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,879 Speaker 5: that's the reason why they publicly said it is because 790 00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:00,640 Speaker 5: they want to be down with the good old boys. 791 00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:02,400 Speaker 1: They want to be in the oligarchy. 792 00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:02,640 Speaker 5: Huh. 793 00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:04,320 Speaker 6: A lot of it is investors too, Like with Disney 794 00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:06,120 Speaker 6: what you were talking about, their investors are. 795 00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:09,399 Speaker 5: The contracting them, asking them to do it, and so 796 00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:12,600 Speaker 5: and get and and you bring up a really powerful point. 797 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:16,280 Speaker 5: You bring up a powerful point. Their investors want them 798 00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:21,440 Speaker 5: to change their programs. They want them to stop the 799 00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:25,160 Speaker 5: initiative uh DEI diversity equing inclusion. 800 00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:25,560 Speaker 1: Right. 801 00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:30,080 Speaker 5: That means people who spend money with them have made 802 00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:33,000 Speaker 5: a decision they don't want something. So why is it 803 00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,719 Speaker 5: that black folks don't have the same mindset that we're 804 00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:40,560 Speaker 5: investors as well. We're investors and and and and in fact, 805 00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,160 Speaker 5: we have the right to be offended. We have the 806 00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,359 Speaker 5: right to be offended, and we have the right to say, 807 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,160 Speaker 5: you know what, target. Don't even worry about John John them, 808 00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:51,000 Speaker 5: We're gonna get you first. And you run to these 809 00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:53,840 Speaker 5: meetings and these uh these golf tournaments and all of that, 810 00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:56,640 Speaker 5: and tell people when they ask you, oh, Billy, Bob, 811 00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,520 Speaker 5: how how's your numbers? We having some problems. 812 00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,799 Speaker 1: We have a problems. Black people ain't feeling us right now. 813 00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:03,680 Speaker 1: I don't know if I. 814 00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,839 Speaker 5: Made the right decision. That's that's the goal. And yes, 815 00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,959 Speaker 5: I know, Charlemagne, you're right. People are gonna say why 816 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,279 Speaker 5: not this one and that one? You should do that. 817 00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,360 Speaker 5: I don't wear a bunch of stuff. I don't shop 818 00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,880 Speaker 5: in a bunch of places. I've been to Walmart in years. 819 00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:20,200 Speaker 5: That's that's that's what I'm doing. 820 00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:21,000 Speaker 1: You should do that. 821 00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:25,200 Speaker 5: Anybody who feels like and nobody stops anybody from saying, 822 00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:28,840 Speaker 5: I am now leading. I think you should lead the Walmart, 823 00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:31,440 Speaker 5: Amazon and Meta boycott. 824 00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:32,839 Speaker 1: Since you keep asking. 825 00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:37,719 Speaker 4: You you should, since you keep asking why, because I 826 00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,200 Speaker 4: know I'm not getting off metal, Okay. 827 00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:43,759 Speaker 1: Well that's fine. Well we're supposed to be on fan base, and. 828 00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:44,759 Speaker 3: I kind of believe it. 829 00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:46,400 Speaker 1: And see that's the other thing, right, we're supposed to 830 00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:47,200 Speaker 1: be I was. 831 00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,360 Speaker 4: Gonna say that too, like, you know somebody, I'm not 832 00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:52,239 Speaker 4: gonna say who I was arguing with somebody Friday, right, 833 00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,759 Speaker 4: he was on the three away with him every day. 834 00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:56,840 Speaker 1: I can't say who it is. 835 00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:01,640 Speaker 4: And Ler was saying, well, I gotta I gotta be 836 00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:03,719 Speaker 4: able to get my messaging out, That's what I'm saying 837 00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:03,880 Speaker 4: on that. 838 00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,920 Speaker 3: And I was like, well, we could organize the mass exodus. 839 00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,840 Speaker 1: He is, but he is, but you can't. You can't. 840 00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:12,640 Speaker 1: You have to say that. 841 00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:15,880 Speaker 5: Uh, And I'm an investor, you're an investor in fan base. 842 00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:18,800 Speaker 5: We have to say that Roland has been one of 843 00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:24,200 Speaker 5: the most consistent voices supporting Isaac and Isaac CA's and 844 00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:27,719 Speaker 5: trying to get people to go to UH fan base. 845 00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,240 Speaker 5: And every time I open the app, there goes Roland. 846 00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:32,440 Speaker 5: His face is there, so he is doing it. But 847 00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,799 Speaker 5: you know what, It's okay, guess what, they use us 848 00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:36,880 Speaker 5: all the time. So why all of a sudden do 849 00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:40,200 Speaker 5: we have to be uh the purest that if we're 850 00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:42,120 Speaker 5: going boycott one thing, we got to do everything. You 851 00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:45,000 Speaker 5: know what, It's a million people on my page on 852 00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:48,440 Speaker 5: Instagram and people get the message. I have thousands of 853 00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:50,480 Speaker 5: people that's on their talking so you know what, I'm 854 00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:55,120 Speaker 5: gonna use your platform to boyo, boycotch your homeboy. That's 855 00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,120 Speaker 5: what I'm gonna do for now. You shut me down, 856 00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:59,759 Speaker 5: then I'll go somewhere else. You use me, all of you. 857 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:01,840 Speaker 4: It was in me right now, what if I believe 858 00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:05,960 Speaker 4: in bycotting meaning that you know, you know, we know 859 00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,840 Speaker 4: that there's black businesses there, so focusing our dollars on 860 00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,160 Speaker 4: making those black businesses like I love with John hol'brien 861 00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:14,120 Speaker 4: presented when he talks about the reframing of diversity, equity 862 00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:17,520 Speaker 4: and inclusion, I love business and God and not a 863 00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:20,840 Speaker 4: political agenda, meaning reframing diversity, equity and inclusion as a 864 00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:25,839 Speaker 4: as critical for economic competitiveness, innovation, and market right because 865 00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:27,960 Speaker 4: if we don't buy those products in those stores and 866 00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:29,400 Speaker 4: they just sit there on the shelf and they don't sell, 867 00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:30,600 Speaker 4: they'll just say, you know what, get rid of that 868 00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:31,239 Speaker 4: shit in they cell. 869 00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:35,400 Speaker 5: So so there at least it is two businesses that 870 00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:39,120 Speaker 5: I've heard of that have sold out their products since 871 00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:42,840 Speaker 5: this happened because people have been buying directly from them online, right, 872 00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,840 Speaker 5: so that there is a way to continue to support 873 00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:52,480 Speaker 5: these people. Yesterday, this brother Carlton Maxwell, Carlton Maxwell He 874 00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:56,160 Speaker 5: was at Jamaal Bryant's church in Atlanta, Georgia, at new 875 00:42:56,160 --> 00:43:01,280 Speaker 5: Birth Baptist Church, and he had car to Maxwell's stand 876 00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:04,040 Speaker 5: up in the audience and he said, you know this 877 00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:08,600 Speaker 5: brother was in one hundred and nineteen stores, No, nineteen 878 00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:14,480 Speaker 5: hundred stores, nineteen hundred stores, Target Art, Yes, and he 879 00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:19,640 Speaker 5: did not renew his contract when the boycott began selling 880 00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:24,680 Speaker 5: sports wear, black history stuff shirts, tope bags, he did 881 00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:29,440 Speaker 5: not renew his contract. And it is because he decided 882 00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:31,080 Speaker 5: that he wanted to join. 883 00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:32,560 Speaker 1: The boycott efforts. 884 00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:37,800 Speaker 5: Right. Jamal had him stand up yesterday. He told everybody 885 00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:39,880 Speaker 5: in the church, and you know it's thousands of people 886 00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:44,640 Speaker 5: at new Birth on Sundays. He told him, go on outside, 887 00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,880 Speaker 5: put your stuff up. Everybody gonna come out there. People 888 00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:51,560 Speaker 5: bought everything from him, and I think most people, whether 889 00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:55,160 Speaker 5: they wanted the stuff or not, were motivated to go. 890 00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:58,360 Speaker 5: And by the way, he has some fly stuff, socks, sweatpants. 891 00:43:58,600 --> 00:43:59,759 Speaker 1: I need those sweatpants. 892 00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:00,000 Speaker 5: Cars. 893 00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:03,400 Speaker 1: You ain't have my size, but he would. 894 00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:06,920 Speaker 5: Everything he had was purchased, and he said his online 895 00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:10,879 Speaker 5: sales are up. People are supporting him. So there's more 896 00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,520 Speaker 5: than one way to skin a cat, right. We have 897 00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:16,920 Speaker 5: to be creative, because what if they just said tomorrow 898 00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:19,160 Speaker 5: they don't even want us in the store, then what and. 899 00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:20,960 Speaker 3: They will definitely say that if people are not buying. So, 900 00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:21,920 Speaker 3: I mean, I get you. 901 00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:23,759 Speaker 4: I just feel like you got to have a plan 902 00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:28,000 Speaker 4: to readirect energy towards supporting companies like call, but also 903 00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:30,160 Speaker 4: supporting companies who are doubling down on the EI. 904 00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:32,320 Speaker 1: Well, well one hundred percent. 905 00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:35,280 Speaker 5: And that's why this whole thing where people are like, oh, 906 00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,120 Speaker 5: you know, Reverend Sharp then took people to Costcos and 907 00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:39,960 Speaker 5: why would you go to Costco's. 908 00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:42,479 Speaker 1: Well, let's get to your point. 909 00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:45,760 Speaker 5: If somebody says, if you are going to punish one person, 910 00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:49,520 Speaker 5: then why not reward the other? 911 00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:53,839 Speaker 1: If they say, you know again. 912 00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:59,799 Speaker 5: Everything, I mean, it's because you know why, because most 913 00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:03,160 Speaker 5: of the those people who were there, they're older, right, 914 00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:05,879 Speaker 5: most of them. There were some younger folks, but most 915 00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,919 Speaker 5: of them are older. And that's what they do. That's 916 00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:13,080 Speaker 5: what motivates them. When we do protests, we be out 917 00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:16,560 Speaker 5: there singing some different stuff, right, we evolve, things shift 918 00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:19,480 Speaker 5: and they change. But what motivates that group of people, 919 00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:22,960 Speaker 5: which includes my mother, my father and other people who 920 00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,719 Speaker 5: are a little bit older than us, that's what they like, 921 00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:26,440 Speaker 5: and I don't. 922 00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:27,480 Speaker 1: See anything wrong with it. 923 00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:30,720 Speaker 5: The point is they were making it clear to another 924 00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:34,840 Speaker 5: company and to other companies that we are smart enough 925 00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:37,799 Speaker 5: to know that if we want something and you say that, 926 00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:38,719 Speaker 5: you're going to fight. 927 00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:40,759 Speaker 1: Because by the way, Costcos. 928 00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:44,400 Speaker 5: Is in a fight. They're not keeping DEI easily there. 929 00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:48,760 Speaker 5: As you said, they're stakeholders, stockholders, they're investors there. 930 00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:50,279 Speaker 1: Even I've heard that the. 931 00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:58,120 Speaker 5: Elected officials in the city where their headquarters is has 932 00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:00,839 Speaker 5: been calling them, trying to force because the whole thing 933 00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,520 Speaker 5: is they need all these companies to do it at 934 00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:07,880 Speaker 5: one time so that there's nobody left and therefore you 935 00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:11,000 Speaker 5: have no choice because you're not gonna boycott every single company. 936 00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:13,160 Speaker 5: So they're trying to put pressure to make sure that 937 00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:16,600 Speaker 5: it is. There's a domino effect. Everybody decides to do it, 938 00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:19,719 Speaker 5: and then there's nowhere for you to go, right. 939 00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:23,760 Speaker 1: But Costco said, nah, we gonna stand on business. 940 00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:26,640 Speaker 5: We believe in this, and now we know Delta Airlines 941 00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:28,960 Speaker 5: that said that, what is the difference. 942 00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:31,360 Speaker 1: Between Target and Coscos? What is the difference? 943 00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:35,759 Speaker 5: Why is it that Target does not respect the black consumer, 944 00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:39,760 Speaker 5: especially black women, enough to say this is gonna upset 945 00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:45,200 Speaker 5: them not to mention. Target pulled its DEI initiative. It 946 00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:48,319 Speaker 5: was announced, and they didn't even call the black businesses 947 00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:50,480 Speaker 5: that you're talking about to let them know that this 948 00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:53,359 Speaker 5: is gonna happen. I think those black businesses should get 949 00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:57,560 Speaker 5: together and sue Target me because you have impacted my 950 00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:01,040 Speaker 5: bottom line. You have hurt my brain and being in 951 00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:05,160 Speaker 5: your store right hurt my chances of being a successful 952 00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:09,479 Speaker 5: vendor within Target without even coming to me to say, hey, 953 00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:12,319 Speaker 5: something is going to be different and you might be 954 00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:14,200 Speaker 5: impacted by my new decision. 955 00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:15,480 Speaker 1: They didn't even do that. 956 00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:18,560 Speaker 5: They didn't even have respect enough to call these folks 957 00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:20,719 Speaker 5: and say, hey, we got some things going on. 958 00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:22,600 Speaker 1: We want you to know about it first. 959 00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:25,239 Speaker 5: And give me an option of how I want to 960 00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:27,080 Speaker 5: move when the announcement is made. 961 00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:28,959 Speaker 1: They didn't even do that. So why are we being 962 00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:30,840 Speaker 1: so nice and kind? And guess what? 963 00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:33,520 Speaker 5: There are different types of people in this movement. You 964 00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:36,399 Speaker 5: got people who are going to go in the store 965 00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:38,680 Speaker 5: and say, I'm just gonna buy this one thing. 966 00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:40,640 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna get this. 967 00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:42,920 Speaker 5: But I can tell you right now being products the 968 00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:45,160 Speaker 5: black products, right, But I can tell you right now, 969 00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:47,680 Speaker 5: you walk through the door and the toilet tissue is 970 00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:51,400 Speaker 5: gonna be on sale for two dollars because target is 971 00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:57,359 Speaker 5: these people are master marketers. They are master manipulators. That's 972 00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:00,840 Speaker 5: what they do. They have people who study our habits 973 00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:04,040 Speaker 5: so they will know what to do in order them 974 00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:06,399 Speaker 5: to draw you in. So you think you're gonna walk 975 00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,080 Speaker 5: in there just to grab one thing, and now your 976 00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:12,279 Speaker 5: child who's four years old is laid out flat on the. 977 00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:17,000 Speaker 1: Ground screaming Mommy, please get me so and so. 978 00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:19,920 Speaker 5: So you're gonna be like, get it, just get it, 979 00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:23,439 Speaker 5: and lets go right, and eventually you slip back into 980 00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:27,640 Speaker 5: the same habits. So we're asking people to please ensure 981 00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:32,400 Speaker 5: that you uh support every single black business. I'm buying stuff. 982 00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:35,240 Speaker 5: I'm play Pits is a new brand I just found 983 00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:38,239 Speaker 5: out about that is deodorant four kids. 984 00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:39,879 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying found out about. 985 00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:42,360 Speaker 4: I mean, that's actually the good thing about this moment, 986 00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:45,360 Speaker 4: right because I didn't know all of those products. 987 00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:47,360 Speaker 6: Exactly what I felt as loud as it did like 988 00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:49,160 Speaker 6: during the pandemic when it was like the push of 989 00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:51,160 Speaker 6: like black businesses or whatever. I felt like it was 990 00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:53,680 Speaker 6: so loud and like everybody was passing around these list 991 00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:54,160 Speaker 6: or whatever. 992 00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:55,680 Speaker 1: I don't think that it's like that, but. 993 00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:59,239 Speaker 3: Them ain't do shit. I want to and I love 994 00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:01,040 Speaker 3: that you we were talking about the book. I love 995 00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:01,600 Speaker 3: to tell the story. 996 00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:03,680 Speaker 4: But you told me something the other day that I 997 00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:06,680 Speaker 4: was like that I really forgot about that the work 998 00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:09,360 Speaker 4: that somebody like Reverend Jesse Jackson was doing right. 999 00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:10,359 Speaker 3: How he did it right? 1000 00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:12,720 Speaker 1: Yeah? Right, So go ahead. 1001 00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:15,080 Speaker 4: You asked the question, say, like, you know, when we 1002 00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:17,400 Speaker 4: talk about these corporations who pledged all of this money 1003 00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:19,720 Speaker 4: right after George Floyd, they didn't delivered. 1004 00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:20,200 Speaker 1: They did not. 1005 00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:22,520 Speaker 4: But back in the day with Jesse Jackson was you know, 1006 00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:24,080 Speaker 4: pushing these people for diversity and everything. 1007 00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:26,880 Speaker 3: He was on a big yes. 1008 00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:29,000 Speaker 5: And not all the companies did it then but then, 1009 00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:31,440 Speaker 5: But there are certain companies that it's certain there are 1010 00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:35,080 Speaker 5: certain brands and I'm not going to name them today's 1011 00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:37,680 Speaker 5: being given them free promotion, But there are certain brand 1012 00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:40,319 Speaker 5: because I don't know where they stand now, but there 1013 00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:43,160 Speaker 5: are certain brands that we as black people are attracted 1014 00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:46,760 Speaker 5: to for a reason, and it's because you know, it's historic, 1015 00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:50,480 Speaker 5: like we learned that such and such was our friend 1016 00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:55,160 Speaker 5: kind of whatever that means back then, and that behavior 1017 00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:58,040 Speaker 5: has translated down through generations and it's just like you 1018 00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:00,319 Speaker 5: going to so you don't even know why you more 1019 00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:03,080 Speaker 5: interested in this than that. And it has a lot 1020 00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:07,080 Speaker 5: to do with how your parents knew that this company 1021 00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:09,840 Speaker 5: was safer for us, or at least they were hiring 1022 00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:14,239 Speaker 5: more people and they had more opportunities for us. And 1023 00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:16,360 Speaker 5: that's something that I have to give a lot of 1024 00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:18,960 Speaker 5: credit to Reverend Jackson and those people who sort of 1025 00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:23,040 Speaker 5: followed in Doctor King's footsteps, because you look at Operation 1026 00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:27,040 Speaker 5: bread Basket, which was an initiative that literally dealt with 1027 00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:30,799 Speaker 5: the economics within our community, and they had principles for 1028 00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:34,279 Speaker 5: how you decided whether you were going to work with 1029 00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:38,600 Speaker 5: or support a corporation or not. And I will say 1030 00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:42,680 Speaker 5: when you talk about companies who made commitments, one of 1031 00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:49,680 Speaker 5: the commitments that Target made was to spend two hundred million. 1032 00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:51,600 Speaker 1: Dollars with black businesses. 1033 00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:55,239 Speaker 5: The two billion or two hundred million, yet check it 1034 00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:57,200 Speaker 5: because I might be wrong. I was getting ready to 1035 00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:59,960 Speaker 5: say two hundred billion, but I know I'm wrong about that. 1036 00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:04,480 Speaker 1: It might be two billion. 1037 00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:07,600 Speaker 3: Or is it plage two billion business? 1038 00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:10,799 Speaker 5: Okay, I'm fright, right, cool, so right, So I'm wrong. 1039 00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:13,440 Speaker 5: So that was by twenty twenty five. We want to 1040 00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:16,520 Speaker 5: know what happened money? Did you do it before you 1041 00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:19,160 Speaker 5: talk about rolling back DEI? Don't you think they should 1042 00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:22,040 Speaker 5: put out a report that says we put we we'd 1043 00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:24,320 Speaker 5: spent all this money. And by the way, twenty twenty 1044 00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:28,319 Speaker 5: five doesn't end for another eleven months. So did you 1045 00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:33,200 Speaker 5: end your DEI practices before you got to the full 1046 00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:36,440 Speaker 5: two billion? Thank you for correcting me. Did you know 1047 00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:37,240 Speaker 5: what happened? 1048 00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:37,880 Speaker 1: Now? 1049 00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:40,879 Speaker 5: To your point about Reverend Jackson, this is another reason 1050 00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:43,160 Speaker 5: why I get frustrated when I hear people say we 1051 00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:44,120 Speaker 5: don't need DEI. 1052 00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:47,759 Speaker 1: D I never done nothing for me. It's not important. 1053 00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:51,839 Speaker 5: And Roland Martin gave me some examples the other day 1054 00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:56,399 Speaker 5: of how DEI is just the child of things that 1055 00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:59,239 Speaker 5: have happened before it. Right, So they may not have 1056 00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:02,560 Speaker 5: been calling it DEI in the seventies and eighties, right, 1057 00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:05,680 Speaker 5: we were looking for black economic power. We were looking 1058 00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:10,000 Speaker 5: to again, if you have a business, in our business, 1059 00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:12,600 Speaker 5: in our in our community, you not gonna just set 1060 00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:15,919 Speaker 5: up shop and not give our people jobs, not put 1061 00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:19,160 Speaker 5: us on in positions of power within the company. 1062 00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:20,560 Speaker 1: That's just not gonna happen. 1063 00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:22,759 Speaker 5: And they were right to say that because you right 1064 00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:25,600 Speaker 5: here and people are gonna run in your store buying 1065 00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:28,439 Speaker 5: things from you. We deserve a piece of the pot. 1066 00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:32,000 Speaker 5: It's not we are asking for charity. We're saying that's 1067 00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:35,120 Speaker 5: how you do business when you into somebody's community. 1068 00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:35,480 Speaker 1: Right. 1069 00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:38,560 Speaker 5: You can't move in my house as a man and 1070 00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:40,319 Speaker 5: me and you live in here and you say I'm 1071 00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:42,480 Speaker 5: gonna eat your food, I'm gonna drink everything, I'm gonna 1072 00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:44,520 Speaker 5: take all the resources from you, and I ain't gonna 1073 00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:45,319 Speaker 5: help you pay the rent. 1074 00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:46,279 Speaker 1: That's ridiculous. 1075 00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:49,719 Speaker 5: Right. So when I think about Reverend Jackson, remember I 1076 00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:51,600 Speaker 5: was a little girl, and it is in I live 1077 00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:54,600 Speaker 5: to tell the story to some degree being in the movement. 1078 00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:58,760 Speaker 5: And I watched them protests companies because you would find 1079 00:52:58,760 --> 00:52:59,960 Speaker 5: out that a company. 1080 00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:02,080 Speaker 1: Again and it is in the community, and they don't even. 1081 00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:05,960 Speaker 5: Have one black board member or women. Now, has it 1082 00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:12,080 Speaker 5: been infiltrated by other people. Absolutely, But that certainly was 1083 00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:16,040 Speaker 5: a time when it was all male, all white, and 1084 00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:20,760 Speaker 5: the white women actually were working as administrators in the company. 1085 00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:23,600 Speaker 5: You were able to white women was able to answer 1086 00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:24,319 Speaker 5: the telephone. 1087 00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:25,600 Speaker 1: Right, And that's about it. 1088 00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:30,000 Speaker 5: And be secretary Reverend Jackson and all those working with 1089 00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:32,319 Speaker 5: him winning there and said hell to the no, you 1090 00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:34,880 Speaker 5: can't operate in our business if we don't have a 1091 00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:38,080 Speaker 5: piece of the pie. And when we talk about DEI, 1092 00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:42,160 Speaker 5: a lot of people are thinking about jobs and thinking 1093 00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:44,640 Speaker 5: about you know, maybe some of the vendors and things 1094 00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:47,600 Speaker 5: like that, but what about suppliers. You have people who 1095 00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:53,560 Speaker 5: had advertising companies who had contracts with these agencies, with 1096 00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:58,960 Speaker 5: these businesses. You have people who had the security firm. 1097 00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:01,279 Speaker 5: You see the people at the front door. You don't 1098 00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:03,759 Speaker 5: know who's actually running that firm. It could be a 1099 00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:06,920 Speaker 5: black man or a black woman behind that. You have drivers, 1100 00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:09,680 Speaker 5: the truck drivers that are out there bringing the products 1101 00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:13,399 Speaker 5: across country. A lot of times those are people who 1102 00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:17,320 Speaker 5: come from the DEI aspect of the company. 1103 00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:17,680 Speaker 1: Right. 1104 00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:22,120 Speaker 5: These are suppliers that were also a part of the work. 1105 00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:23,399 Speaker 1: That Reverend Jackson and them did. 1106 00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:27,520 Speaker 5: And to speak to the point about boycotts and protests 1107 00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:30,040 Speaker 5: and why they go hand in hand, is that he 1108 00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:33,240 Speaker 5: would not have been able to do that if Miss 1109 00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:36,920 Speaker 5: Susie and them didn't go stand outside and form a 1110 00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:41,040 Speaker 5: picket line to create actual visuals of what was going 1111 00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:44,200 Speaker 5: on in the meetings, and Miss Susie didn't have millions 1112 00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:47,440 Speaker 5: of dollars. So you know, there's no expectation that the 1113 00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:50,359 Speaker 5: person who has decided that my little ten dollars, I'm 1114 00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:52,680 Speaker 5: gonna keep it in my pocket. But she was out there, 1115 00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:56,279 Speaker 5: braving the cold, standing outside in front. And those are 1116 00:54:56,360 --> 00:55:00,560 Speaker 5: your combat front liners. We have to remember that in 1117 00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:04,439 Speaker 5: the in war, everybody doesn't do the same thing. 1118 00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,279 Speaker 1: You got people who are on the front line. 1119 00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:10,279 Speaker 5: You got people who are driving the vehicles, you got snipers. 1120 00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:13,160 Speaker 5: You have all different types of people who are doing 1121 00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:15,680 Speaker 5: work that makes up the whole and gets. 1122 00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:16,600 Speaker 1: Us to an end result. 1123 00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:19,799 Speaker 5: So let's not let's not let's not fight the protesters 1124 00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:23,200 Speaker 5: and the boycotters. Let them do their job and use 1125 00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:26,680 Speaker 5: it as fuel. If I'm if I'm Tabitha Brown, if 1126 00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:31,160 Speaker 5: I'm you know, Courtney Otia, if I'm what's our sister's 1127 00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:36,279 Speaker 5: name from? I best ones, Lord, have mercy ingrid. 1128 00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:38,120 Speaker 1: I love you. You know that I'm sorry too much in 1129 00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:38,520 Speaker 1: my head. 1130 00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:45,279 Speaker 5: But if I get it right, absolutely, If I'm these folks, 1131 00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:50,480 Speaker 5: I'm getting together and I'm not saying don't boycott. I'm saying, Okay, 1132 00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:53,200 Speaker 5: I don't really want you to because my product is 1133 00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:57,000 Speaker 5: in there. But guess what if you're gonna do it. 1134 00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:01,560 Speaker 5: I'm gonna go inside and fight. Not not not going 1135 00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:04,680 Speaker 5: and I'm not I am not saying that they're not fighting, 1136 00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:06,800 Speaker 5: So let's get cause you know they'll say, oh, Tamika 1137 00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:09,000 Speaker 5: Mallory said, y'all punks and y'all ain't fight. 1138 00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:10,120 Speaker 1: No, I'm not saying they're not. 1139 00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:13,280 Speaker 5: I'm sure there are things happening that everybody's not gonna 1140 00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:14,120 Speaker 5: see and hear. 1141 00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:16,200 Speaker 1: But if I if I. 1142 00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:19,080 Speaker 5: Was them, I would be saying I'm gonna use the 1143 00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:22,160 Speaker 5: energy from the street to take in here and say, 1144 00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:26,680 Speaker 5: you guys have hurt our businesses because of what you 1145 00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:29,360 Speaker 5: have done to our community. You have to work in 1146 00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:34,680 Speaker 5: tandem inside, outside strategy and guess what fight fight. This 1147 00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:37,400 Speaker 5: is a time that we are in. Well, we just 1148 00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:41,080 Speaker 5: at the beginning. We've got four years at least, maybe 1149 00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:44,759 Speaker 5: even more of people who are going to continue to 1150 00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:49,000 Speaker 5: hit us with these particular plays because they are attempting 1151 00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:53,520 Speaker 5: to return this nation to an all white, all male 1152 00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:57,080 Speaker 5: for the most part leadership. And these are not white 1153 00:56:57,160 --> 00:56:59,719 Speaker 5: people that just gonna do what you say because we 1154 00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:00,480 Speaker 5: ad asked them to. 1155 00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:02,640 Speaker 1: We're gonna have to make a demand. 1156 00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:04,359 Speaker 5: And so it's good for us to start flexing our 1157 00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:06,759 Speaker 5: muscles and learn what it feels like to get in 1158 00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:10,080 Speaker 5: a fighting position. Now, to Angela Rye's point, who I 1159 00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:12,799 Speaker 5: was listening to the other day, in a minute, if 1160 00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:16,640 Speaker 5: we don't show our power in this particular moment, we're 1161 00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:18,480 Speaker 5: gonna look around and ain't gonna have no money to 1162 00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:20,760 Speaker 5: buy a target anyway, So we all gonna be boycott. 1163 00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:24,479 Speaker 2: Ask your question, Ask one question about the boycott thing. Okay, 1164 00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:25,439 Speaker 2: I'll let you finish first. 1165 00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:27,280 Speaker 4: I was gonna say about Uh, I guess that's the 1166 00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:29,960 Speaker 4: other thing too. Is it easier or heart of the 1167 00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:33,640 Speaker 4: protest with social media? Because things can be so fragmented, right, Yeah, 1168 00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:36,080 Speaker 4: Like when Friday, I didn't know Jamal Brian was doing 1169 00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:38,520 Speaker 4: a protest. I just found out about this on Friday, right, 1170 00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:41,280 Speaker 4: And then I didn't know Nina had announced one, right, 1171 00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:43,800 Speaker 4: And I know you, I know y'all were talking about it, 1172 00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:46,240 Speaker 4: but I didn't know they actually announced it, right. And 1173 00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:47,920 Speaker 4: then when I started to look into it, because I 1174 00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:50,000 Speaker 4: was like, well, what are the demand I haven't heard 1175 00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:51,400 Speaker 4: what the demands are. And Somebody's like, well, go look 1176 00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:53,120 Speaker 4: on Jamar Brown's website. But when I go look on 1177 00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:55,800 Speaker 4: Jamal's website, it said the protest don't start till March fifth. 1178 00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:59,280 Speaker 3: Well, so who's doing is Has Nina started? Yes? 1179 00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:04,120 Speaker 5: So yeah, thank you, thank you for asking that because 1180 00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:06,880 Speaker 5: that's important. And I've heard a few people say they're 1181 00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:09,600 Speaker 5: confused and we're not perfect as a movement, and so 1182 00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:13,760 Speaker 5: there needs to be people who call in and say, hey, 1183 00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:18,520 Speaker 5: we don't understand. So first of all, I mentioned Nakima Armstrong, 1184 00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:27,800 Speaker 5: which is a woman who is there in Minnesota where the. 1185 00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:27,120 Speaker 1: Target headquarters is. 1186 00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:31,680 Speaker 5: They started for Black History Month, right, They already started, 1187 00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:34,360 Speaker 5: the folks, and they're not just on social media. 1188 00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:35,680 Speaker 1: They are on the ground. 1189 00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:40,080 Speaker 5: They have held demonstrations, they've been outside. In fact, there 1190 00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:44,280 Speaker 5: is a Latino group that was also protesting. They had 1191 00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:47,120 Speaker 5: a big protest outside of a Target in one of 1192 00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:50,680 Speaker 5: their communities, not connected to Nikima. I don't believe, but 1193 00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:54,520 Speaker 5: I'm just saying they started right away. So Black History 1194 00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:57,720 Speaker 5: Month they were saying, don't shop in Target, need to 1195 00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:00,680 Speaker 5: turn that. This is all great minds coming again, right, 1196 00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:03,360 Speaker 5: and now we all are part of something called the Mothership, 1197 00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:04,720 Speaker 5: so we all talking to one another. 1198 00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:06,240 Speaker 1: But in the beginning we were not. 1199 00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:11,760 Speaker 5: Nina Turner had also been working through we are somebody 1200 00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:15,480 Speaker 5: on a similar idea that beginning Black History Month, and 1201 00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:17,920 Speaker 5: it didn't have an end date, but beginning in Black 1202 00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:22,200 Speaker 5: History Month, that there would be a boycott of Target 1203 00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:25,720 Speaker 5: and a bycot of all of the other brands. And 1204 00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:27,920 Speaker 5: so they created the list and put all of that 1205 00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:32,120 Speaker 5: information out there. So now I Nina called me and said, hey, 1206 00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:33,840 Speaker 5: would you like to be involved in this? 1207 00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:35,240 Speaker 1: Where do you stand with it? 1208 00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:38,200 Speaker 5: I said, I definitely want to join you, and then 1209 00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:43,560 Speaker 5: I connected Nina and Nikima. So now they've been talking 1210 00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:47,880 Speaker 5: about how we come together. Then the brothers said hey, 1211 00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:50,720 Speaker 5: and Jamaal Briant being one of them, were getting ready 1212 00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:54,040 Speaker 5: to go into a season of lent, right, so people 1213 00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:58,880 Speaker 5: during Lent they fast, and he said, let's bring the community, 1214 00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:03,960 Speaker 5: the clergy community, the our ministries, and our church community 1215 01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:08,000 Speaker 5: into this thing by asking people starting the beginning of 1216 01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:11,400 Speaker 5: Lent too fast from Target, right. And so it's all 1217 01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:14,880 Speaker 5: a continuation and how that gets properly articulated is something 1218 01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:16,560 Speaker 5: that we are gonna have to work on. But hey, 1219 01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:20,400 Speaker 5: I'm up here today, and so then I included Jamal 1220 01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:24,160 Speaker 5: into the text chain and so now all of us 1221 01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:26,840 Speaker 5: are talking and Roland has been given his advice and 1222 01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:30,040 Speaker 5: elders have been calling a Michael Eric Dyson is saying, hey, 1223 01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:32,160 Speaker 5: let me, you know, ask you some questions. Have you 1224 01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:34,360 Speaker 5: thought about this, have you thought about that? And so 1225 01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:36,840 Speaker 5: you know, so it is. It is not perfect. No, 1226 01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:40,440 Speaker 5: it's not. Because it happened in one particular moment. People 1227 01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:43,960 Speaker 5: moved again, we moved based upon what you saw. 1228 01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:45,160 Speaker 1: I could go up. 1229 01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:47,800 Speaker 5: There right now on my page and say we gonna 1230 01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:50,440 Speaker 5: do X, We're gonna boycott this cup company. 1231 01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:53,640 Speaker 1: People don't always move, y'all know that. I'll be telling you. 1232 01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:56,880 Speaker 5: I'm frustrated people are not seeing the importance of this moment. 1233 01:00:57,200 --> 01:01:01,560 Speaker 5: But if I say this these flowers and everybody's on it. Okay, 1234 01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:04,680 Speaker 5: now we got action, we got motion, and I'm gonna 1235 01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:07,640 Speaker 5: use this moment with these flowers to talk about that cup. 1236 01:01:09,160 --> 01:01:12,800 Speaker 5: That's just that's just organizing one oh one, you know. 1237 01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:14,439 Speaker 5: So that's where we are. 1238 01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:15,080 Speaker 1: It's just a. 1239 01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:18,760 Speaker 5: Continuation they're doing because they already will have their people 1240 01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:22,000 Speaker 5: in a season of fasting thinking about what they can 1241 01:01:22,040 --> 01:01:26,640 Speaker 5: pull their resources from or put their resources towards. And 1242 01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:30,400 Speaker 5: what he did at church on Sunday by one having 1243 01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:32,800 Speaker 5: people buy out all my books. Thank you New Birth 1244 01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:37,200 Speaker 5: for doing that for showing up lines of people purchasing 1245 01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:40,160 Speaker 5: black folks products right in the lobby of the church. 1246 01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:41,320 Speaker 1: We got to go back to that. 1247 01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:44,360 Speaker 5: And that's why another thing I have to say, go 1248 01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:49,760 Speaker 5: back to another point. That's why I'm also protective and 1249 01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:54,360 Speaker 5: I get upset about the dismissal of black institutions because 1250 01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:56,600 Speaker 5: their Black institutions. 1251 01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:56,760 Speaker 1: Have buien housing. 1252 01:01:57,640 --> 01:02:00,720 Speaker 5: We got people, thousands, millions of peop people around this 1253 01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:05,120 Speaker 5: country living in housing that was built by churches, by 1254 01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:09,560 Speaker 5: organizations that they put their little resources together and put 1255 01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:11,200 Speaker 5: up a building. The next thing you know, it turned 1256 01:02:11,240 --> 01:02:14,360 Speaker 5: into a senior center and senior living and a place 1257 01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:19,720 Speaker 5: for low income housing. Black institutions hire millions of people. 1258 01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:22,600 Speaker 5: You have millions of people who are working in either 1259 01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:25,600 Speaker 5: churches or the Urban League or the NAACP or these 1260 01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:30,600 Speaker 5: different organizations. We have had a tradition of folks who 1261 01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:32,840 Speaker 5: have worked really hard to get us to where we 1262 01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:36,000 Speaker 5: are today, which there's challenges, there's problems, and it is 1263 01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:37,200 Speaker 5: time for evolution. 1264 01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:40,360 Speaker 1: For sure. We've got to go to the next phase. 1265 01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:44,600 Speaker 5: We have to look at what black organizations can be 1266 01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:48,080 Speaker 5: in the future with all that we now have at 1267 01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:51,320 Speaker 5: our fingertips. But I don't think that we can dismiss 1268 01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:55,400 Speaker 5: the work that was done previously, because if it were 1269 01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:59,160 Speaker 5: not for their sacrifices, we would not be in the 1270 01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:00,880 Speaker 5: positions that we're in today. 1271 01:03:01,120 --> 01:03:01,600 Speaker 3: I agree with you. 1272 01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:02,680 Speaker 4: I don't know if this is as much of a 1273 01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:05,960 Speaker 4: dispissal as it is to your point, what happened to y'all? 1274 01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:08,640 Speaker 3: Y'all were doing all of this in the community. Where 1275 01:03:08,680 --> 01:03:09,320 Speaker 3: is that at now? 1276 01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:09,640 Speaker 5: Right? 1277 01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:09,880 Speaker 3: Well? 1278 01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:13,120 Speaker 5: I mean again, people ask me all the time, and 1279 01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:15,520 Speaker 5: I see it in my science comments the most I 1280 01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:17,240 Speaker 5: be wanting to cuss people out in there, but I 1281 01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:19,920 Speaker 5: decide it's too toxic over there, so I just let 1282 01:03:19,960 --> 01:03:23,600 Speaker 5: him deal with that. His comments section is mad toxic, 1283 01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:29,080 Speaker 5: y'all know, you know. But anyway, people say to us 1284 01:03:29,120 --> 01:03:32,600 Speaker 5: all the time, why y'all don't do nothing about black violence? 1285 01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:33,400 Speaker 1: What about it? 1286 01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:36,360 Speaker 5: And meanwhile we're all outside like that's what he does 1287 01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:40,040 Speaker 5: every day. Maybe you don't necessarily see it, and maybe 1288 01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:41,479 Speaker 5: those questions need to be. 1289 01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:45,840 Speaker 1: Asked, But I'm out there and see what right? What 1290 01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:50,920 Speaker 1: does she do? What is exactly Erica and not? 1291 01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:53,880 Speaker 5: And and by the way, y'all, people have the right 1292 01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:57,320 Speaker 5: to get older and to evolve themselves. 1293 01:03:57,720 --> 01:04:00,240 Speaker 1: So rather than Erica being on the front line. 1294 01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:03,160 Speaker 5: Where she used to be out there burning herself out 1295 01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:06,000 Speaker 5: to the point where she got sick, she now is 1296 01:04:06,040 --> 01:04:09,720 Speaker 5: empowering a whole group of younger people who will do 1297 01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:13,080 Speaker 5: it their own way. It doesn't mean that we can 1298 01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:17,000 Speaker 5: just dismiss what she did. No, she's still important because 1299 01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:20,600 Speaker 5: she has wisdom to bring to the table for how 1300 01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:21,520 Speaker 5: you go forward. 1301 01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:23,640 Speaker 1: She is able to see. 1302 01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:25,919 Speaker 5: What what you may not know, because you know when 1303 01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:28,680 Speaker 5: younger folks start getting and stuff we bring or they 1304 01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:31,680 Speaker 5: bring because I ain't that young anymore, but they bring 1305 01:04:31,960 --> 01:04:35,480 Speaker 5: a certain level of courage and fire that we need 1306 01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:39,640 Speaker 5: new energy. But sometimes they can't see the pitfall that's coming, 1307 01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:42,320 Speaker 5: and so you need an elder. I would never say 1308 01:04:42,520 --> 01:04:46,960 Speaker 5: that my grandmother's her remedy for healing me when I 1309 01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:50,160 Speaker 5: have a cold, or when I'm having a baby, or 1310 01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:53,680 Speaker 5: whatever things you may encounter, that those things are no 1311 01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:57,600 Speaker 5: longer and that that's all they know. No, Actually, they 1312 01:04:57,680 --> 01:05:00,280 Speaker 5: know something powerful because if it healed you when you 1313 01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:02,880 Speaker 5: was twelve, it might be able to heal you now. 1314 01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:06,640 Speaker 5: Is there sea mass today? Absolutely, that's a new thing. 1315 01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:07,919 Speaker 5: My grandmother ain't know nothing. 1316 01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:10,760 Speaker 1: She died. She know nothing about Sea Mars. 1317 01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:14,400 Speaker 5: But it doesn't mean that her old Buckley's routine that 1318 01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:17,080 Speaker 5: she used to put together, or the castor oil that 1319 01:05:17,080 --> 01:05:20,040 Speaker 5: that doesn't matter, and it doesn't help us to make 1320 01:05:20,080 --> 01:05:24,160 Speaker 5: the grandparents and the institutions of before to feel like 1321 01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:26,480 Speaker 5: they are passaying No. They need to be at the 1322 01:05:26,520 --> 01:05:29,320 Speaker 5: table and they need to know that when they come 1323 01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:32,320 Speaker 5: to the table, there's a new generation of people who 1324 01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:35,720 Speaker 5: have ideas that we're able to even bring you along 1325 01:05:35,800 --> 01:05:38,040 Speaker 5: to the next day mental counsel young men for Woo. 1326 01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:41,520 Speaker 2: That's right women nineteen Keys was here Friday and said 1327 01:05:41,560 --> 01:05:43,560 Speaker 2: something I think that you didn't like to sparked the 1328 01:05:43,600 --> 01:05:45,320 Speaker 2: nerve with you right because you left the comment on 1329 01:05:45,320 --> 01:05:48,080 Speaker 2: the breakfast club page just sold it mysoon what sparked 1330 01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:50,760 Speaker 2: the nerve? A and B You talked about Stokely and 1331 01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:53,800 Speaker 2: King and how two different people look at things two 1332 01:05:53,800 --> 01:05:56,000 Speaker 2: different ways, and they said that you know, when they 1333 01:05:56,040 --> 01:05:58,640 Speaker 2: had their differences, they were able to speak behind the 1334 01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:00,440 Speaker 2: scenes and then come out in public and still fight 1335 01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:02,919 Speaker 2: for the same fight. So one on's balked the nerve 1336 01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:05,960 Speaker 2: and two how come y'all haven't talked behind the scenes 1337 01:06:05,960 --> 01:06:08,280 Speaker 2: and had that conversation where it doesn't look like you 1338 01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:09,880 Speaker 2: guys are going at each other. 1339 01:06:10,120 --> 01:06:13,440 Speaker 5: So to be clear, Number one, I have talked to 1340 01:06:13,560 --> 01:06:16,120 Speaker 5: nineteen kids, and that's my brother, and he and I 1341 01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:19,160 Speaker 5: do disagree on different things, but I was mad at him. 1342 01:06:19,880 --> 01:06:23,320 Speaker 5: My comment in them, yes, okay at Charlemagne. 1343 01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:24,640 Speaker 1: My comment. 1344 01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:28,880 Speaker 5: On your page on the Breakfast Club page wasn't so 1345 01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:32,200 Speaker 5: much about nineteen keys. Although I still think it's important 1346 01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:35,919 Speaker 5: for us to lift up the work of our institutions 1347 01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:38,360 Speaker 5: because we know what they have done and how important 1348 01:06:38,360 --> 01:06:41,160 Speaker 5: they have been. And again, the reason why we had 1349 01:06:41,240 --> 01:06:44,320 Speaker 5: black wall streets and the Rosewoods and other places that 1350 01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:47,440 Speaker 5: were burned down by the government and white vigilantes is 1351 01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:51,640 Speaker 5: because black institutions exist and existed at that time, and 1352 01:06:51,680 --> 01:06:56,040 Speaker 5: people that came out of those traditions work to create 1353 01:06:56,440 --> 01:07:01,720 Speaker 5: sustain those in these types of economic chambers, if you will, 1354 01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:03,040 Speaker 5: like a Black Wall Street. 1355 01:07:03,080 --> 01:07:04,160 Speaker 1: So that's important. 1356 01:07:04,520 --> 01:07:07,960 Speaker 5: I'm a defender of black institutions because I come out 1357 01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:11,479 Speaker 5: of one, and I know the power of what they've 1358 01:07:11,480 --> 01:07:13,720 Speaker 5: been able to do. I know that when people's lights 1359 01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:16,040 Speaker 5: are turned off, sometimes the only place you could go 1360 01:07:16,080 --> 01:07:18,160 Speaker 5: to is to a black church or to the National 1361 01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:21,880 Speaker 5: Action Network. Those are real things happening every day. We 1362 01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:25,360 Speaker 5: got theories and ideas and things that probably will and 1363 01:07:25,480 --> 01:07:28,280 Speaker 5: can work if we all work together. But we also 1364 01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:32,240 Speaker 5: have people who need food right now. They need to 1365 01:07:32,240 --> 01:07:34,760 Speaker 5: be able to go somewhere and say, Hey, the landlord's 1366 01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:37,360 Speaker 5: trying to kick me out, will you come and show 1367 01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:39,720 Speaker 5: up over here and fight this white man or this 1368 01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:41,960 Speaker 5: whoever man that's trying to put me out? Of those 1369 01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:45,880 Speaker 5: black institutions do that work every single day, So I'm 1370 01:07:45,960 --> 01:07:49,600 Speaker 5: always very protective about that. But the person that I'm 1371 01:07:49,680 --> 01:07:52,080 Speaker 5: really talking about when I say I was pissed off 1372 01:07:52,200 --> 01:07:55,160 Speaker 5: is this one right here. And the reason why is 1373 01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:58,480 Speaker 5: because Charlomagne asks several questions, which I think is what 1374 01:07:58,560 --> 01:08:00,320 Speaker 5: about ism, what about Amazon? 1375 01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:02,200 Speaker 1: What about this place? What about that place? 1376 01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:04,640 Speaker 5: After I had already told him in the text message 1377 01:08:04,680 --> 01:08:08,040 Speaker 5: three days before that why I don't believe that there's 1378 01:08:08,080 --> 01:08:11,440 Speaker 5: a good strategy to try to boycott everything at once. 1379 01:08:11,560 --> 01:08:14,760 Speaker 5: And he didn't say what I said as a response. 1380 01:08:15,160 --> 01:08:18,240 Speaker 5: So what he did was basically leave people with an 1381 01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:22,200 Speaker 5: open freaking answer or open question to something that I 1382 01:08:22,280 --> 01:08:24,200 Speaker 5: already told you. Even if you don't agree, I'm not 1383 01:08:24,240 --> 01:08:26,120 Speaker 5: saying you gotta agree, but you can at least say, 1384 01:08:26,120 --> 01:08:28,120 Speaker 5: but you know what. I did speak to Tamika Mallory 1385 01:08:28,320 --> 01:08:31,759 Speaker 5: and she said XYZ thing, and he is now saying 1386 01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:34,000 Speaker 5: he didn't know about Nina and them. I did not 1387 01:08:34,160 --> 01:08:36,840 Speaker 5: know that, So I maybe I'm not as upset with 1388 01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:39,879 Speaker 5: you as I was about that. 1389 01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:43,640 Speaker 1: But I feel like it's too serious. 1390 01:08:43,240 --> 01:08:47,320 Speaker 5: Of a time for us to have conversations that just 1391 01:08:47,400 --> 01:08:51,120 Speaker 5: leave people confused when there are answers. So to me, 1392 01:08:51,760 --> 01:08:55,439 Speaker 5: it would have been better to have Nina or Jamaal 1393 01:08:56,080 --> 01:09:00,400 Speaker 5: didn't know Cool or me call in on the phone 1394 01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:03,519 Speaker 5: and talk about the boycott and get those points straight 1395 01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:06,920 Speaker 5: and have the discussion, rather than have people walk away 1396 01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:09,400 Speaker 5: like yeah, man, come on, they playing themselves. They're not 1397 01:09:09,439 --> 01:09:11,439 Speaker 5: trying to get off meta. They're not trying to do 1398 01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:14,680 Speaker 5: when we actually have an answer for why Target is 1399 01:09:14,720 --> 01:09:19,439 Speaker 5: the first place that we're deciding to to target pun intended. 1400 01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:21,840 Speaker 4: I guess I wasn't trying to make it specific about 1401 01:09:21,840 --> 01:09:24,720 Speaker 4: anyone present because there was so many people talking about boycotting. 1402 01:09:25,200 --> 01:09:28,080 Speaker 1: Well, that's that's your answer, you just said it. 1403 01:09:28,280 --> 01:09:30,920 Speaker 5: The reason why Target is the target is because so 1404 01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:33,880 Speaker 5: many people are ready to boycott Target. 1405 01:09:34,120 --> 01:09:41,640 Speaker 1: That's the answer. That's why. 1406 01:09:43,280 --> 01:09:45,479 Speaker 6: Completely separate. I guess it's not separate from all of 1407 01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:47,800 Speaker 6: this because I'm sitting here listening to you talk. And 1408 01:09:47,840 --> 01:09:49,240 Speaker 6: then I know in the book you talk about a 1409 01:09:49,240 --> 01:09:50,880 Speaker 6: lot of personal stuff, and I'm like, when do you 1410 01:09:50,920 --> 01:09:51,720 Speaker 6: take time to deal with. 1411 01:09:51,680 --> 01:09:55,760 Speaker 1: Your own stuff? Because you I mean I do. I 1412 01:09:55,760 --> 01:09:57,000 Speaker 1: do now a little bit better. 1413 01:09:57,400 --> 01:09:59,360 Speaker 5: I know he's right though, because I'm kind of going 1414 01:09:59,400 --> 01:10:02,320 Speaker 5: because what I do. When I get to the point 1415 01:10:02,360 --> 01:10:04,760 Speaker 5: that it all fills up at me and I'm as 1416 01:10:04,760 --> 01:10:07,759 Speaker 5: big as a balloon, then I start crying on his phone, 1417 01:10:07,840 --> 01:10:09,040 Speaker 5: and I mean real tears. 1418 01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:10,080 Speaker 1: He has had to. 1419 01:10:10,080 --> 01:10:13,200 Speaker 5: Be like, Okay, we're gonna get through this because I'm like, 1420 01:10:13,320 --> 01:10:16,000 Speaker 5: I'm so frustrated. I got so much going on, but 1421 01:10:16,080 --> 01:10:17,240 Speaker 5: I'm getting better at that. 1422 01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:18,280 Speaker 1: And rehab taught me. 1423 01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:21,080 Speaker 5: Like when I was in rehab, there was no cell phone, 1424 01:10:21,640 --> 01:10:24,439 Speaker 5: the TV had some weird ass stations. I was in 1425 01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:29,519 Speaker 5: like the backwoods somewhere in Ohio. The it just wasn't 1426 01:10:29,680 --> 01:10:33,000 Speaker 5: it wasn't good. And there I learned the art of 1427 01:10:33,280 --> 01:10:34,960 Speaker 5: taking care of me. And in the book, I have 1428 01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:37,600 Speaker 5: this quote in there that I want to share with 1429 01:10:37,760 --> 01:10:41,640 Speaker 5: somebody who is listening. It says that I will I 1430 01:10:41,720 --> 01:10:45,360 Speaker 5: was born fighting for freedom and I will die fighting 1431 01:10:45,360 --> 01:10:49,120 Speaker 5: for freedom, but this time freedom includes me me, and 1432 01:10:49,160 --> 01:10:52,519 Speaker 5: that's where I'm at. I'm all about what about me now? 1433 01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:54,840 Speaker 5: Just so you know, Lauren, when we go to these 1434 01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:58,479 Speaker 5: cities and we're like in Kentucky and other places, oh honey, 1435 01:10:58,520 --> 01:11:00,519 Speaker 5: we get a twerk on, we get to work on, 1436 01:11:00,720 --> 01:11:03,920 Speaker 5: we find out where the little after hour spot is. 1437 01:11:04,120 --> 01:11:05,280 Speaker 3: People go out. 1438 01:11:05,680 --> 01:11:15,160 Speaker 5: They were in the clubs because I like to go out. 1439 01:11:15,200 --> 01:11:16,639 Speaker 1: I like how I like good wings. 1440 01:11:17,040 --> 01:11:19,439 Speaker 6: Oh so you've been in a strip clubs, because. 1441 01:11:19,200 --> 01:11:20,720 Speaker 1: That's what I mean. I'm not I see like I 1442 01:11:20,760 --> 01:11:21,120 Speaker 1: do it all. 1443 01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:26,680 Speaker 5: No, no, no, hey, that's your point of entryue that 1444 01:11:26,760 --> 01:11:29,000 Speaker 5: you might be able to get to go and we 1445 01:11:29,080 --> 01:11:29,760 Speaker 5: have a good time. 1446 01:11:31,280 --> 01:11:32,479 Speaker 1: I didn't actually that to find. 1447 01:11:32,280 --> 01:11:36,680 Speaker 6: Out, No, I really asked you that because you deal 1448 01:11:36,720 --> 01:11:38,200 Speaker 6: with some heavy stuff in the book, Like I know, 1449 01:11:38,240 --> 01:11:40,400 Speaker 6: for the first time you talked about the trauma you 1450 01:11:40,400 --> 01:11:42,200 Speaker 6: went through as a child with sexual abuse as a 1451 01:11:42,280 --> 01:11:43,080 Speaker 6: child for. 1452 01:11:43,000 --> 01:11:43,679 Speaker 1: The first time ever. 1453 01:11:43,760 --> 01:11:45,559 Speaker 6: And I'm like, I wonder what made her decide to 1454 01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:47,679 Speaker 6: put that out there. She got all these people coming 1455 01:11:47,680 --> 01:11:50,400 Speaker 6: at her about everything else you've been connected, like it's 1456 01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:52,800 Speaker 6: just the Woman's March stuff and like there's been a 1457 01:11:52,840 --> 01:11:55,240 Speaker 6: lot and then you put that out there, and I'm 1458 01:11:55,240 --> 01:11:56,960 Speaker 6: sure you have to deal with that again when putting 1459 01:11:56,960 --> 01:11:57,519 Speaker 6: it in the book. 1460 01:11:57,960 --> 01:12:00,479 Speaker 1: Here's the answer. I live to tell the story. 1461 01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:00,920 Speaker 3: That's right. 1462 01:12:01,240 --> 01:12:03,360 Speaker 5: I went through all of that and I'm still here, 1463 01:12:03,560 --> 01:12:06,160 Speaker 5: you know. And I'm sure some of it was meant 1464 01:12:06,320 --> 01:12:08,960 Speaker 5: to take me out, right, but look at me, and 1465 01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:12,800 Speaker 5: so yeah, taking care of myself looked like writing it down, 1466 01:12:13,479 --> 01:12:16,240 Speaker 5: and I didn't. My parents are reading my book right now. Well, 1467 01:12:16,320 --> 01:12:19,280 Speaker 5: they're finished now. I gave it to them two weeks 1468 01:12:19,280 --> 01:12:22,080 Speaker 5: early when I first received the book, and it was 1469 01:12:22,200 --> 01:12:24,479 Speaker 5: hard to put that book in their hands. I had 1470 01:12:24,520 --> 01:12:27,280 Speaker 5: already told them Mom and dad and my sister who 1471 01:12:27,280 --> 01:12:30,920 Speaker 5: thinks she's my mother, but she she she kind of is. 1472 01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:32,960 Speaker 4: She? 1473 01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:35,160 Speaker 5: The three of them, I got them on a phone 1474 01:12:35,200 --> 01:12:39,320 Speaker 5: call because I wrote a particular chapter, and when I finished, 1475 01:12:39,320 --> 01:12:42,599 Speaker 5: I cried so hard, not because of what was in 1476 01:12:42,680 --> 01:12:44,840 Speaker 5: the chapter. It was just it was some shame. But 1477 01:12:44,920 --> 01:12:46,920 Speaker 5: it was also because I was like, I cannot turn 1478 01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:50,600 Speaker 5: this in. I cannot let my parents have to relive this. 1479 01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:53,720 Speaker 5: And it was about a time when I almost was 1480 01:12:54,280 --> 01:12:56,800 Speaker 5: raped by several guys because I went somewhere I wasn't 1481 01:12:56,840 --> 01:12:59,640 Speaker 5: supposed to be, and I walked past my father in 1482 01:12:59,680 --> 01:13:02,599 Speaker 5: the house after the experience and didn't say anything to him. 1483 01:13:02,680 --> 01:13:06,920 Speaker 5: And I was so just broken from what I had experienced. 1484 01:13:06,920 --> 01:13:09,320 Speaker 5: And in fact, the mother of one of the boy 1485 01:13:09,320 --> 01:13:12,200 Speaker 5: who lived in the apartment, she happened to come home 1486 01:13:12,240 --> 01:13:15,320 Speaker 5: and literally save my life. Like they were seconds away 1487 01:13:15,600 --> 01:13:19,320 Speaker 5: from saying, that's it. It's four dudes, that's it. You 1488 01:13:19,360 --> 01:13:20,840 Speaker 5: got to take your clothes of Why did you even 1489 01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:22,680 Speaker 5: come here? They were starting to tug on me. It 1490 01:13:22,680 --> 01:13:25,960 Speaker 5: was a whole thing. And the mother walked in and 1491 01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:27,880 Speaker 5: looked and said, who the hell is this little girl 1492 01:13:27,880 --> 01:13:29,400 Speaker 5: in my house? Get the hell out of here, And 1493 01:13:29,479 --> 01:13:33,080 Speaker 5: she was looking at me instead of them while speaking, 1494 01:13:33,120 --> 01:13:36,479 Speaker 5: because she was like, you in trouble, and I'm damn like, 1495 01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:39,240 Speaker 5: get yourself together. She told me, I'm gonna close this door, 1496 01:13:39,439 --> 01:13:41,320 Speaker 5: get yourself together, and you can get out of here. 1497 01:13:41,760 --> 01:13:43,960 Speaker 5: And that's how I got out of that apartment with 1498 01:13:44,040 --> 01:13:46,760 Speaker 5: a pit bull sitting in front of the door. So 1499 01:13:46,840 --> 01:13:48,960 Speaker 5: there was nowhere that I could go even if I 1500 01:13:49,000 --> 01:13:52,960 Speaker 5: wanted to. And knowing that I tell that story, which 1501 01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:55,280 Speaker 5: is hard enough, I think for my father to deal with, 1502 01:13:55,680 --> 01:13:57,839 Speaker 5: but for me to say that I left that apartment 1503 01:13:57,840 --> 01:13:59,600 Speaker 5: and went straight home and that he was sitting in 1504 01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:01,599 Speaker 5: the house and I didn't even tell him what happened. 1505 01:14:02,040 --> 01:14:03,840 Speaker 5: I broke down so bad. I was like, oh my god, 1506 01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:06,360 Speaker 5: I cannot put this in this book. But then so 1507 01:14:06,439 --> 01:14:08,800 Speaker 5: when I put the book in their hands, I was like, 1508 01:14:09,000 --> 01:14:10,479 Speaker 5: oh my god, just don't read it. 1509 01:14:10,760 --> 01:14:13,160 Speaker 1: Just put it up as art, like, don't read it. 1510 01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:16,080 Speaker 5: And sure enough, I came home one day and my 1511 01:14:16,120 --> 01:14:18,040 Speaker 5: sister was like, I need to talk to you. This 1512 01:14:18,080 --> 01:14:21,360 Speaker 5: book is a lot. She was like, I'm going through something. 1513 01:14:21,800 --> 01:14:24,760 Speaker 5: Our parents are suffering with what's in here that my 1514 01:14:24,840 --> 01:14:27,080 Speaker 5: father said to her. And he hasn't said anything to 1515 01:14:27,120 --> 01:14:30,559 Speaker 5: me to this day. My mother done told me off 1516 01:14:30,600 --> 01:14:33,400 Speaker 5: about two things, because that's what she do. That's my girl. 1517 01:14:34,080 --> 01:14:35,759 Speaker 5: My sister was like, I don't know if you should 1518 01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:40,519 Speaker 5: have told these stories. But my father has not said 1519 01:14:40,640 --> 01:14:43,320 Speaker 5: one word. I mean, he speaks to me every day. 1520 01:14:43,479 --> 01:14:45,680 Speaker 5: This is my dad, that's my guy, he's my publicist. 1521 01:14:46,360 --> 01:14:48,360 Speaker 5: He went and picked up the banners for the tour, 1522 01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:51,439 Speaker 5: like that's my guy. But he hasn't said anything about 1523 01:14:51,439 --> 01:14:54,720 Speaker 5: how he feels. However, he told my sister that it 1524 01:14:54,800 --> 01:14:56,880 Speaker 5: was real hard for him to get through reading that 1525 01:14:56,960 --> 01:14:59,280 Speaker 5: some of this was happening and he couldn't do anything 1526 01:14:59,320 --> 01:14:59,760 Speaker 5: about it. 1527 01:15:00,200 --> 01:15:02,719 Speaker 1: So it's this book is tough. 1528 01:15:03,360 --> 01:15:05,160 Speaker 2: I will say this though, just on the side note 1529 01:15:05,320 --> 01:15:07,640 Speaker 2: especially with your father, and tell your sister just be 1530 01:15:07,720 --> 01:15:10,120 Speaker 2: careful because it's dad's and I think Charlemagne will know. 1531 01:15:10,600 --> 01:15:12,520 Speaker 2: I don't know if Charlemagne because he's into. 1532 01:15:13,120 --> 01:15:15,360 Speaker 1: Therapy as a dad. 1533 01:15:15,120 --> 01:15:18,400 Speaker 2: And knowing my dad, revenge is what we would want, 1534 01:15:18,520 --> 01:15:20,840 Speaker 2: right So your dad might be looking for the young boys' 1535 01:15:20,880 --> 01:15:22,960 Speaker 2: names and numbers right now, pull up on him because 1536 01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:24,840 Speaker 2: it feels like there's no way you're going to do that. 1537 01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:25,240 Speaker 3: To my girl. 1538 01:15:25,320 --> 01:15:28,200 Speaker 5: Right Well, my dad, my dad is seventy eight years old, 1539 01:15:28,240 --> 01:15:29,920 Speaker 5: so he needs to sit down and not be looking. 1540 01:15:34,200 --> 01:15:36,720 Speaker 5: My dad needs to sit down and live the beautiful 1541 01:15:36,760 --> 01:15:39,479 Speaker 5: life that him and my mother worked so hard to 1542 01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:42,120 Speaker 5: make for themselves and for us, and know that he 1543 01:15:42,200 --> 01:15:45,160 Speaker 5: did a damn good job because look at me right 1544 01:15:45,280 --> 01:15:47,960 Speaker 5: like he did a damn good job. And whoever tried 1545 01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:51,080 Speaker 5: to hurt me or whatever happened, it doesn't matter because 1546 01:15:51,120 --> 01:15:53,160 Speaker 5: at the end of the day, I made decisions for 1547 01:15:53,240 --> 01:15:55,599 Speaker 5: myself that I know if he was there or if 1548 01:15:55,640 --> 01:15:58,320 Speaker 5: he knew that I was In matter of fact, they tried, 1549 01:15:58,720 --> 01:16:01,479 Speaker 5: they tried to prevent me for making those decisions. So 1550 01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:03,640 Speaker 5: we want my dad to sit down. But that's the 1551 01:16:03,680 --> 01:16:06,599 Speaker 5: reason why I didn't tell him at the time, because 1552 01:16:06,600 --> 01:16:09,800 Speaker 5: he was popping then, okay, and he would have been outside. 1553 01:16:09,960 --> 01:16:14,320 Speaker 5: It's a lot of things that mothers, Black mothers keep 1554 01:16:14,400 --> 01:16:17,000 Speaker 5: from the father in the household to keep him from 1555 01:16:17,040 --> 01:16:21,000 Speaker 5: going to prison, defending daughters, sons, but especially the daughter. 1556 01:16:21,320 --> 01:16:23,840 Speaker 1: That's a real thing. And there's a lot of stuff. 1557 01:16:23,840 --> 01:16:26,559 Speaker 5: I know my aunts, if they listening, they know about 1558 01:16:26,560 --> 01:16:28,720 Speaker 5: it because I as a little girl used to hear 1559 01:16:28,800 --> 01:16:31,479 Speaker 5: them saying, don't mention this or don't say that. Now 1560 01:16:31,680 --> 01:16:34,640 Speaker 5: there's a double edged sword to it, because this is 1561 01:16:34,680 --> 01:16:39,360 Speaker 5: why people in families, especially uncles and grandfathers and others, 1562 01:16:39,680 --> 01:16:43,080 Speaker 5: get away with abusing young people because the women are 1563 01:16:43,160 --> 01:16:47,479 Speaker 5: holding secrets, trying not to create confusion between the men. 1564 01:16:47,720 --> 01:16:50,400 Speaker 5: And so I don't suggest it, but I'm just saying 1565 01:16:50,479 --> 01:16:53,439 Speaker 5: the reality is a lot of things that have happened 1566 01:16:53,479 --> 01:16:57,160 Speaker 5: in your families people don't the men don't know about 1567 01:16:57,240 --> 01:16:59,439 Speaker 5: because we're trying to make sure that they don't end 1568 01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:02,120 Speaker 5: up in is in or dead, trying to defend their 1569 01:17:02,160 --> 01:17:02,839 Speaker 5: their children. 1570 01:17:03,000 --> 01:17:04,280 Speaker 3: We'll pick up the book. 1571 01:17:07,040 --> 01:17:08,320 Speaker 1: So tonight we are going. 1572 01:17:08,439 --> 01:17:10,320 Speaker 5: First of all, are we telling people that because if 1573 01:17:10,360 --> 01:17:13,400 Speaker 5: they show up, they can't get in. It's a private event. 1574 01:17:13,520 --> 01:17:16,000 Speaker 5: But Charlamade is having a party for me. And shout 1575 01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:19,519 Speaker 5: out to my homegirl Nikiya McClain from Today and Nicole 1576 01:17:19,640 --> 01:17:23,320 Speaker 5: as well as Lushawn Thompson. These women have worked together 1577 01:17:23,400 --> 01:17:25,960 Speaker 5: with this brother to put together a private release party 1578 01:17:25,960 --> 01:17:29,840 Speaker 5: for me. But on Thursday they can join me at 1579 01:17:29,880 --> 01:17:31,599 Speaker 5: the New York Public Library on. 1580 01:17:31,560 --> 01:17:32,679 Speaker 1: The thirteenth, Thursday. 1581 01:17:32,720 --> 01:17:37,280 Speaker 5: I'll be there in conversation with our public advocate Jimani Williams. 1582 01:17:37,360 --> 01:17:39,280 Speaker 5: You need to have him up here again soon because 1583 01:17:39,280 --> 01:17:41,639 Speaker 5: he's got a lot to say, especially about the mayor. 1584 01:17:41,680 --> 01:17:46,600 Speaker 5: But that's another thing, And that's at six o'clock on Thursday, 1585 01:17:46,640 --> 01:17:50,680 Speaker 5: the thirteenth. And also the moderator of that conversation is 1586 01:17:50,720 --> 01:17:54,040 Speaker 5: going to be the executive director of editorial at Ebony Magazine. 1587 01:17:54,040 --> 01:17:56,519 Speaker 5: So it's actually going to be really dope. A lot 1588 01:17:56,560 --> 01:17:58,439 Speaker 5: of people have signed up. It's at the New York 1589 01:17:58,479 --> 01:18:01,200 Speaker 5: Public Library on fifth Ava And if you go to 1590 01:18:01,240 --> 01:18:05,479 Speaker 5: Tamika D. Mallory dot com backslash tour Tamika D. Mallory 1591 01:18:05,560 --> 01:18:09,479 Speaker 5: dot com backslash tour. You can see where I am 1592 01:18:09,640 --> 01:18:12,799 Speaker 5: all over the country. We're in d C next week 1593 01:18:13,280 --> 01:18:17,360 Speaker 5: eighteen politics and pros. The nineteenth, We're in Tosa, Oklahoma 1594 01:18:17,479 --> 01:18:18,559 Speaker 5: at All Saints Church. 1595 01:18:18,600 --> 01:18:20,240 Speaker 1: We got another event happening there. 1596 01:18:20,280 --> 01:18:23,719 Speaker 5: Shout out to Kim Roxy and my girl Tiffany Crutcher 1597 01:18:23,960 --> 01:18:26,960 Speaker 5: who are working on stuff there. I'm in New Orleans 1598 01:18:27,040 --> 01:18:31,439 Speaker 5: at Baldwin and Co. On the nineties the twentieth. Yeah, so, 1599 01:18:31,520 --> 01:18:33,880 Speaker 5: and then the next week I'm back in DC. I'm 1600 01:18:33,920 --> 01:18:36,439 Speaker 5: also in Miami, but it's all on my website. I'm 1601 01:18:36,479 --> 01:18:40,720 Speaker 5: in Jacksonville on the twenty second. I'm back in Atlanta 1602 01:18:40,840 --> 01:18:42,960 Speaker 5: on the twenty third at the gathering Spot. 1603 01:18:43,280 --> 01:18:46,000 Speaker 1: A lot of stuff my people have shown. 1604 01:18:45,840 --> 01:18:49,320 Speaker 4: Up tour because you didn't get to do that for 1605 01:18:49,400 --> 01:18:50,040 Speaker 4: State of Emergency. 1606 01:18:50,080 --> 01:18:51,720 Speaker 3: I did because it was cod. 1607 01:18:51,479 --> 01:18:56,240 Speaker 5: And but yeah, I was, I was, but but but 1608 01:18:56,400 --> 01:19:02,760 Speaker 5: also the balance there is that in twenty twenty one, 1609 01:19:03,040 --> 01:19:05,879 Speaker 5: everybody was at home. So you had everybody from Malicia 1610 01:19:05,960 --> 01:19:11,080 Speaker 5: Keys to Tiffany Hattish to Taraji and Jada Pinkett and 1611 01:19:11,200 --> 01:19:14,800 Speaker 5: Pinkett Smith and others who participated in some way in 1612 01:19:14,840 --> 01:19:16,280 Speaker 5: the tour because all they had to do was go 1613 01:19:16,360 --> 01:19:18,519 Speaker 5: turn their computers on, and so it was. 1614 01:19:18,600 --> 01:19:19,960 Speaker 1: It's like a little different. 1615 01:19:19,680 --> 01:19:21,559 Speaker 5: That now I'm calling them and they're like, oh my god, 1616 01:19:21,600 --> 01:19:23,960 Speaker 5: I'm in Asia, Like what you need me to do? 1617 01:19:24,120 --> 01:19:26,479 Speaker 5: But I will say that all of those sisters that 1618 01:19:26,560 --> 01:19:29,479 Speaker 5: I just named, with the exception of Tiffany, who I'm 1619 01:19:29,520 --> 01:19:32,320 Speaker 5: going to call, have agreed to do some type of 1620 01:19:32,400 --> 01:19:35,080 Speaker 5: virtual event for me which will be closed spaces for 1621 01:19:35,200 --> 01:19:38,439 Speaker 5: young girls, young men, and so you know, we still 1622 01:19:38,479 --> 01:19:40,360 Speaker 5: are going to make it happen and make sure that 1623 01:19:40,400 --> 01:19:42,439 Speaker 5: they participate in what we got going on with our 1624 01:19:42,479 --> 01:19:43,680 Speaker 5: Live to Tell the story. 1625 01:19:43,640 --> 01:19:45,400 Speaker 4: Out right now in bookstores everywhere. 1626 01:19:45,479 --> 01:19:47,160 Speaker 3: Go get you a copy. That's right now. 1627 01:19:47,200 --> 01:19:51,559 Speaker 4: I'm about to say, what, no, if. 1628 01:19:51,439 --> 01:19:57,400 Speaker 3: They're going Amazon target Jo. 1629 01:19:57,880 --> 01:19:59,920 Speaker 5: The last time my book wasn't target. After I said 1630 01:20:00,120 --> 01:20:02,639 Speaker 5: what I said, they bought nine thousand books. So that's good. 1631 01:20:02,680 --> 01:20:03,559 Speaker 1: So not this time. 1632 01:20:03,600 --> 01:20:07,400 Speaker 5: That's cool, No problem. Barnes and Nobles. First of all, 1633 01:20:07,439 --> 01:20:09,280 Speaker 5: I suggest people go to Barnes and Nobles. I'm not 1634 01:20:09,320 --> 01:20:13,920 Speaker 5: telling people Barns and Nobles and black bookstores. Go to 1635 01:20:13,960 --> 01:20:18,000 Speaker 5: black bookstores please. Uncle Bobby's has been really working with me. 1636 01:20:18,080 --> 01:20:20,559 Speaker 5: Mahogany Books. I got too many people to name, too 1637 01:20:20,600 --> 01:20:21,480 Speaker 5: many people. 1638 01:20:21,240 --> 01:20:22,840 Speaker 2: All right, well it's the Breakfast Club is to meek 1639 01:20:22,840 --> 01:20:25,200 Speaker 2: A Mallorie, wake that ass. 1640 01:20:25,000 --> 01:20:27,360 Speaker 3: Up in the morning. Breakfast Club