1 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:20,759 Speaker 1: Poke them into a special edition of Jags Am and 2 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:24,120 Speaker 1: the PM Beautiful Day in Florida, And it's officially now 3 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 1: the beginning of free agency. I'm Konnannie Stephens, fran Sexton 4 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: and John Oger are in with me this afternoon as 5 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 1: everything's now official, So we're gonna bring you all the 6 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 1: free agency news and we'll start out with our big 7 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 1: things today. And our first big thing is no new friends, 8 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:41,840 Speaker 1: because as of right now the taping of this show, 9 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:44,600 Speaker 1: the Jaguars are one of three NFL teams that haven't 10 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 1: signed an outside free agent. Brian and we knew it 11 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 1: was gonna be different than last year, but it's all 12 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:52,559 Speaker 1: quiet right now in Jaguars front well. 13 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 2: And people aren't used to that because the Jaguars have 14 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 2: always been one of the prominent spenders in the early 15 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 2: days a free agency, but in recent they have constricted 16 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 2: their caps somewhat with some big contracts for players, and 17 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 2: then they went last year and signed Jacobe Myers to 18 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 2: a new deal. Plus they've also got guys on their own. 19 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 2: Breton Stranger guy, they like to get something done with him, 20 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 2: so they're thinking instead of just these few days at 21 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 2: the start of free agency, they're looking at the calendar 22 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 2: over the course of an entire year and seeing where 23 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 2: they can spend their money wisely. Honestly, John, after years 24 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 2: of the Jaguars jumping into the pool to see teams 25 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 2: like the Raiders and the Browns and the Titans spending 26 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 2: like crazy, I'm fine to just sit back and let 27 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 2: the water subside. 28 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 3: You remember, way way back at the top of the 29 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 3: show and we showed the picture of the the Matthews 30 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 3: Bridge on a glorious day. It is a glorious day 31 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 3: for the Jaguars, And I get that fans are refreshing Twitter. 32 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 3: And when you fresh Twitter looking for free agency news, 33 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 3: you get in a tizzy. Brian, you know what a tizzy? Yet, 34 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 3: you know if you go to if you go to 35 00:01:57,600 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 3: an auction. My wife and I went to an auction 36 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 3: and like you know, nineteen ninety five and bought like 37 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 3: a bench. We got the bench home and it was awful. 38 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 3: But we had to have that bench and we got 39 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 3: rid of the bench like two years later because it 40 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:11,800 Speaker 3: wasn't very good. Fortunately we had no cap hit on 41 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 3: the bench. My point is, people who are worried about this, 42 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 3: this is a great sign for this organization. I don't 43 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:20,839 Speaker 3: know if they'd have had more cap room if they'd 44 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 3: spent very much. They're being smart and I'll get into it. 45 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 3: I am worked up, kai really, I am. I am. 46 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:30,920 Speaker 3: I'm in my own free agent frenzy. This was the 47 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 3: right way to approach this, and everybody who's panicking calmed down. 48 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 3: This is a good organization doing things the right way. 49 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 2: I think it's worth pointing out that the Jaguars have 50 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 2: about fifty one million dollars in dead camp bunny for 51 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 2: this year, and the big chunk of that is Gabe Davis, 52 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 2: who was a free agent two years ago. So Allington 53 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 2: two is remember some of the mistakes of the past 54 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 2: to understand why they don't want to repeat them in 55 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 2: the future. 56 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 1: Absolutely, this is all different, but it's different in a 57 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:57,799 Speaker 1: good way. And they did make some moves this week. 58 00:02:57,880 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 1: Or I go to our second big thing, which is 59 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 1: running it back, because because they are running it back 60 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:03,360 Speaker 1: with some of their own, they're bringing back familiar faces. 61 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 1: One of those is gonna be Monteric Brown, who they 62 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 1: signed to a long term deal, and he said his 63 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 1: focus was Stanton Jacksonville. 64 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 4: Just somewhere I always wanted to be, you know, I 65 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 4: got drafted to hear you know, Dad Warsh took a 66 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 4: chance on the seventh rounder. And man, just I enjoyed 67 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 4: my time since I've been here. Man just played with 68 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 4: these guys, these coaches, this organization. 69 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 5: Man, it just means a lot to me. 70 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:25,360 Speaker 4: And I want to continue that. 71 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 1: So John, they're bringing back some more familiar faces to us. 72 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 1: In terms of Buster Brown is coming back, Dennis Kardak 73 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 1: has another deal, Quinton Morris another one earlier this week apart, 74 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 1: and all of them saying similar things and that they 75 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 1: want to come back to Jacksonville and be a part 76 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: of what's being built here. And Buster Brown specifically, I 77 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 1: think probably could have made more money on the open market, 78 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: but it was important for him to be a part 79 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 1: of this. 80 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's real. And look all of the years where 81 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 3: fans have you know, been hurt when players left, when 82 00:03:56,560 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 3: players said bad things. I remember Aaron Ross vacationed here 83 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 3: one year. You know all the years of that and 84 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 3: the NFLPA survey, you know all that stuff. Players want 85 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 3: to be here, and Monteric Brown is a prime example 86 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 3: of that. He did come back for I think less 87 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 3: he texted the market, he might have gotten more what 88 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:22,920 Speaker 3: a cool thing. Brian to see him on camera the 89 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:26,479 Speaker 3: other day, sincerely talking about being here. I ran into 90 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:30,239 Speaker 3: him right after he signed. He's here with his family. 91 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 3: A lot of guys have symbolized this thing. Jacobe Myers 92 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:39,279 Speaker 3: players last year as this thing started to feel like 93 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:41,840 Speaker 3: a family so to speak, which sounds cliche, but it's 94 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 3: real all of that too, and he is the kind 95 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 3: of guy you want. He grew from a seventh round pick. 96 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 3: He is now a legitimate number two corner in this league. 97 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 3: Fits what they want to do. He's a Jaguar that's 98 00:04:57,080 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 3: pretty cool and very indicative of where this franchise is. 99 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 2: Here's a hundred nine pounds, but he's got this mindset 100 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 2: that he's Jalen Ramsey, you know. I mean he's always 101 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 2: been a guy. He led the SEC in interceptions his 102 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 2: final year at Arkansas and was a seventh round pick 103 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 2: that pissed him off. I mean he's carried that with 104 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:15,599 Speaker 2: him the last couple of years, and he plays so much. 105 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:16,280 Speaker 6: Bigger than he is. 106 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 2: Fack to just the Titans, the Raiders and the Browns 107 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 2: for a second, those three teams signed players that their 108 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 2: coaching staff was familiar with, guys from New York with Sala, 109 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:29,559 Speaker 2: New York and San Francisco, guys who these coaches knew 110 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 2: and could count on. Well, what's better than keeping the 111 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 2: guys that you've drafted and that you have developed, that 112 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:37,600 Speaker 2: you can already count on. It generally costs you a 113 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:40,239 Speaker 2: little bit less and you don't have the transition period 114 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 2: of bringing a free agency a free agent in during 115 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 2: the open free agency period. 116 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 6: The Jeckers made really smart moves with this. 117 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 2: I wouldn't be surprised you for the next couple of 118 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 2: days they don't find a couple of guys like a 119 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 2: Robert Hainsey, right, I mean, who was a huge addition 120 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 2: last year, but not this, and find guys who can 121 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 2: come in and fill some hole. They're not gonna sit 122 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 2: pat and do nothing, but they're just not gonna go 123 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:06,160 Speaker 2: out and swing wildly for the fences, which again they 124 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:06,919 Speaker 2: have done in the past. 125 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 6: Here, over and over and over. 126 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:12,360 Speaker 3: Here's the key to always remember Kai. A lot of 127 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:14,359 Speaker 3: teams would have won in Monteric Brown on their team. 128 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 3: You know why he wasn't available because the Jaguars wanted 129 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:20,840 Speaker 3: him badly enough to go get him. When guys are available, 130 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 3: guess what that means their former team didn't want them 131 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 3: badly enough for their team to go get them. You've 132 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 3: always got to remember that in free agency, you're paying 133 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 3: prime money for non prime product. 134 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 1: It's a good point of view. Now, look, our final 135 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:35,479 Speaker 1: big thing today is gonna be draft focused, because I 136 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 1: feel like we'll talk about this in the coming weeks 137 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 1: as well. But what they do or don't do today 138 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 1: in the next couple of days is gonna be very 139 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 1: indicative of what they might be focusing on in the draft. 140 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 1: Because Brian, now that Travesey's yen is heading out of town, 141 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 1: maybe the draft focus goes to a running back, or 142 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 1: maybe they'll sign a free agent. But I think this 143 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 1: will be very indicative of what they're gonna do next month. 144 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 2: Well, I think when you look at this team, and 145 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:58,839 Speaker 2: we were all here last season and we listened to 146 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 2: coaches when they talk, the focus for this team in 147 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:05,040 Speaker 2: the draft is a best available player, right because they 148 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:07,239 Speaker 2: can go and find guys and there are some places 149 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 2: where it makes sense, but really on the defensive side 150 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 2: of the football, this team has enough picks, especially for 151 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 2: in the top Hunter John where they can really turn 152 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 2: their attention to retooling some of the defense and they're 153 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 2: going to have to do some of that. Eric Armstead 154 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 2: is getting older. They do not have that pass rushing 155 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 2: defensive tackle. For all of the things that they did 156 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 2: have with the number one run defense on the interior 157 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 2: of it, they didn't have that. They've lost a linebacker. 158 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:33,559 Speaker 2: They need to go replace that. There are some things 159 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 2: that they can do. But all these players that we're 160 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 2: talking about, the Monterk Browns, were draft picks. 161 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 3: Look, there's a couple of spots on defense where they 162 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 3: still got to work. They can line up all over 163 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 3: their roster really accept maybe outside linebacker after after losing 164 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 3: Davin Lloyd off the ball, but they can line up 165 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 3: over there, Vnrell Miller, Jack Kaiser. Maybe they'll draft over 166 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 3: that position. And I do think that they still think 167 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 3: they would love to figure out a way to get 168 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 3: more interior pressure. But you can line up there, you 169 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 3: can move Trayvon Walker in there. They can get things done. 170 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 3: They feel like right now they can go into the 171 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 3: draft and truly a draft best available player that's always 172 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 3: the goal. In free agency, they feel like they've done it. Look, 173 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:26,239 Speaker 3: I'm going to go on and on in this show. 174 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 3: I think they are doing things the right way they 175 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 3: showed it last year. This is an extension of that. 176 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 3: Try not to think so much about player acquisition as 177 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:39,679 Speaker 3: a two day period. It's three sixty five and that's 178 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:40,560 Speaker 3: how this team's approaching. 179 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:41,679 Speaker 6: And Kyle's worth pointing out. 180 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:43,679 Speaker 2: I think you mentioned off the top there are three 181 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 2: teams Broncos, Seahawks and Jaguars who have not yet signed 182 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:49,439 Speaker 2: an outside free agent. Well, I mean the Seahawks last 183 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 2: year when got the pass rusher from the Cowboys and 184 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 2: the quarterback from the Vikings. But they pick their spots, 185 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 2: their spots, but they like their roster now. They're very 186 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 2: happy with the roster. I think both of their running 187 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:03,839 Speaker 2: left in free agency, they're still fine with their roster. 188 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 2: Same thing with the Broncos, and I think what's paramount 189 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:08,679 Speaker 2: here is the same thing with the Jaguars. And how 190 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 2: long has it been since we've been able to say 191 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 2: they like their roster. Do they want to improve it? 192 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 3: You bet? 193 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 2: But they like the roster enough to not go out 194 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 2: and spend like drunken sailors. 195 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:20,439 Speaker 1: Not at premium cost, for sure. Say with us here 196 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 1: in a special edition free agency edition of jag Zam, 197 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 1: we'll tell you a little bit about what this roster 198 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 1: is looking like. Coming up after. 199 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 5: Break, people that are in the building, like you can 200 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:41,320 Speaker 5: have those like honest conversations that and you just really 201 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 5: become you know, close with these guys. And I knew 202 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 5: from the jump just coming in with Liam, just in 203 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 5: training camp, he would just come up to me and 204 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 5: have you know, conversations just not only asking about like 205 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 5: you know, me, but asking about my experience other places, 206 00:09:57,280 --> 00:09:59,199 Speaker 5: like things that I see around the building, maybe that 207 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 5: things that can be change and you know, things like that. 208 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 5: Just showing that type of. 209 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 1: Care and welcome back into jag zam free agency audition. 210 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 1: Here this afternoons, we're talking about what the Jaguars are doing, 211 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 1: what's going on around the league. And that was Quint 212 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:15,680 Speaker 1: Morris talking about his one year deal. He's going to 213 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 1: be coming back again. He was one of those people 214 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 1: they kind of took a flyer on. There's a lot 215 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 1: of guys last year in free agency that they brought 216 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 1: into camp maybe want to work them out. And he 217 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 1: was just talking that SoundBite about you know, having the 218 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 1: coaching staff and the GM talked to you throughout the 219 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 1: year about whether you want to be here, whether you 220 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:34,959 Speaker 1: want to keep going and like having that open communication. 221 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 1: And we've seen that firsthand, of course, but now the 222 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 1: player's really noticing that as well. You have to imagine 223 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 1: that's making a difference. 224 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 2: Listen, if four thirteen to thirteen and four doesn't buy 225 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 2: this administration a lot of grace, a guy like what 226 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:50,559 Speaker 2: More certainly does because he came in during training camp. 227 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:53,079 Speaker 2: He was cast off from the Bills, and it took 228 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 2: a while for him to find a role. I mean, 229 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 2: he was a player on special teams really early, but 230 00:10:57,440 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 2: late in the year, especially against the Chargers, there were 231 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:02,560 Speaker 2: some goal line packages where he made the difference in 232 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 2: the Jaguars getting a touchdown instead of having to settle 233 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 2: for fuel goal. So you're talking about a guy that 234 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 2: shows up in camp and they found a way to 235 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 2: make him a pivotal player. And that's the kind of 236 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:16,440 Speaker 2: guy that they're looking at right now. And there are 237 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:18,960 Speaker 2: plenty of players around the league that if you're willing 238 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 2: to find the right player at the right spot at 239 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 2: the right cost and be patient with it, you can 240 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 2: get some impact and free agency. 241 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 3: Look, I understand that this time of year. I mean 242 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 3: I was animated in the first block at some observers 243 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 3: who are panicking over this, and I understand why because 244 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 3: there's so much a Twitter fuel and you panic when 245 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:43,839 Speaker 3: you don't see anything. But what this organization is about 246 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:49,319 Speaker 3: right now is about Monteric Brown and Quintin Morris. Last 247 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 3: year this time, did we think Monteric Brown was going 248 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:54,560 Speaker 3: to start twelve games for this team and play at 249 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 3: a high level? He was. They draft Travis Hunter, Jordan Lewis, 250 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 3: you had Tyson Campbell. He worked his way into it 251 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 3: and the team allowed him to his way into it. 252 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 3: Johnny Munt was signed last year to b B blocking 253 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 3: tight end. Quinn Morris comes into the practice squad. They 254 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 3: released Munt, good blocker. They allow themselves to see what 255 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 3: the players are doing and play them. That's why this 256 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 3: organization is going to continue to win because they're doing 257 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 3: that the right way. Whatever they did in free agency 258 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:23,679 Speaker 3: where people are panicking. 259 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 2: Over what you say, do we expect him to play 260 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:28,560 Speaker 2: Montic to start, you know, as many games as he did. 261 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 6: No, But if you go back and look at twenty 262 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:31,359 Speaker 6: three and twenty. 263 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:33,679 Speaker 3: Four, they deserved it. There were image wise. 264 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 2: Right right, But there were moments where you saw him 265 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:39,200 Speaker 2: and said, oh, he's he's improving. He's an interesting player. 266 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 2: I remember played that he made in the game in 267 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 2: New Orleans where you're like, okay, here you go. So 268 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 2: the term drafting develop is thrown around, but that's really 269 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 2: what they've done with him. A seventh round pick. They 270 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 2: just moved him through the system. Coaches changed, scheme changed, 271 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 2: he got better. And then this year it was the 272 00:12:56,760 --> 00:13:00,200 Speaker 2: combination of him improving at a brand new scheme and 273 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 2: it fit what he did perfectly. 274 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 6: And he's a great story. 275 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 2: Seventh round pick all of a sudden it got you 276 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:07,559 Speaker 2: couldn't pass up. 277 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 3: In order to give you have to have guys like 278 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 3: Parker Washington, Monteric Brown. You have to have a few 279 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 3: late round picks come along and matter, and these guys do. 280 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 3: And that's how doing it that way you can sustain 281 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:25,319 Speaker 3: it longer than just participating in this. 282 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 1: Yes, I think the thing with Monterak Brown, when we 283 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 1: talk about kind of keeping him here, him wanting to 284 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 1: stay here, that was a position group where if you 285 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 1: don't get him locked down in that spot, that's now 286 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 1: a focus point where maybe you have to get a 287 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 1: free agent and a draft pick there because we're looking 288 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 1: at cornerback. That's an area of need for them, right 289 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 1: We're already talking about Travis Hunter playing mainly on the 290 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 1: defensive side of the football going forward, But if you 291 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 1: didn't have Buster there, that's then almost. 292 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 3: The main focus point for them. 293 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:54,440 Speaker 1: If they didn't get that done, Yeah. 294 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 3: Everybody wants to know how they're going to improve. That's 295 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 3: all the question. Well, they did this and they haven't 296 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 3: gotten any better. Well, Caleb Ransaw and Travis Hunter in 297 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:10,320 Speaker 3: the secondary. That's how you're supposed to get better draft 298 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:13,440 Speaker 3: one year, get better at a position the second year, 299 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 3: because these guys have developed. The secondary gives some big 300 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 3: plays late last year, but you're adding two guys first 301 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 3: and third round pick from a year ago that are 302 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 3: supposed to elevate you. That's how you're supposed to get better. 303 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 3: So they don't believe that they're not improving in the secondary, 304 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 3: even though some fans may be looking at it that way. 305 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 2: And to your point, Ky, the Jaguars don't want to 306 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 2: make Travis Hunter exclusively a defensive player. They still want 307 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 2: to be able to use him on offense where it 308 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 2: makes sense. But if you don't have Buster Brown, that 309 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 2: really limits what you could do because you're going to 310 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 2: rely even more on Travis and his elite skill set 311 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 2: on that side of the ball, so Buster Brown completes 312 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 2: a lot of the puzzle for them. 313 00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 1: Let's talk all us a little bit about Dennis Kardak, 314 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 1: who this timeline. Sure, he said he wasn't even running 315 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 1: at this point. He was working his way back from 316 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 1: a knee injury and now he's going to be staying 317 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 1: here in Jacksonville to continue to work back. And that's 318 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 1: another player, Brian, where we talk about these guys coming 319 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 1: in earning themselves a spot. I don't think necessarily they 320 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 1: thought he was going to be on the final roster, 321 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 1: but they saw so much out of him in training 322 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 1: camp and just the effort and what he was going 323 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 1: to be able to contribute. They wanted him on this 324 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 1: roster and he really was able to kind of flash 325 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 1: later in the season. Obviously great on special teams as well. 326 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 1: But for players like this, I imagine, whether it's free 327 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 1: agency or being drafted, however you're brought in knowing you 328 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 1: can earn yourself playing time and it isn't just given 329 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 1: based on other politics. That has to be something as 330 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 1: a player you really relish well. 331 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 2: And he can do so many things, which is why 332 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 2: they signed him up. They knew him because of the 333 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 2: Rams connection, right because they played in the NFC West, 334 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 2: and they identified some things that he could do. 335 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 6: Now it turns out he's a nice pass rusher. 336 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 2: He's a guy that got the ball for you a 337 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 2: couple of times for a defense that caused thirty one takeaways, 338 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 2: and anything they asked him to do. Anywhere they asked 339 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 2: him to line up, he gave them something. He wasn't 340 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 2: just a special teams guy that could find a very 341 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 2: small role in the defense. They drafted Jalen McLeod, the 342 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 2: kid from Auburn, but he never got in the field 343 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 2: last year because he was injured. You talked earlier about 344 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 2: improving with cayleb brands on Travis hunterback. They think Jalen 345 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 2: McLeod is the future. 346 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 3: Dennis Gardak mag If a guy doesn't contribute Week one 347 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 3: Ryan as a rookie, he's not good. 348 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 6: Yeah, that's how that works, Billyeams. 349 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 2: McCloud will be hopefully healthy this year and be able 350 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 2: to play that role. But so they've got the present 351 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 2: in gar Deck in the future in McLeod. 352 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 6: You want to know why they don't go out and. 353 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 2: Get crazy for agency because that situation exists with a 354 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 2: veteran that they trust and a young player that they're 355 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 2: excited about. I don't know how much time you guys 356 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 2: spent talking to Dennis A good kid. I spent some 357 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 2: time with him in London doing a couple of different interviews, 358 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 2: and I thought he was a guy who played with 359 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 2: great intensity, and that was the word he used with me. 360 00:16:57,760 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 6: I said, how should. 361 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 2: People view Dennis guard Deck, because by the time we 362 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 2: got to London, he was just starting to become one 363 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 2: of those guys that you were watching every single week. 364 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 2: He said, I want people to see the intensity with 365 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:11,440 Speaker 2: which I play, and it's pretty obvious he's a thousand 366 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:14,680 Speaker 2: miles an hour with that long hair on fire every 367 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 2: time he's on the field. 368 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:18,920 Speaker 3: Yet, if you're gonna be good, you can't have all 369 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 3: your plays come from your five or six core guys. 370 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:26,640 Speaker 3: And gard Deck made plays last year that mattered very much. 371 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:28,879 Speaker 3: And I'm with you, guys, I think this is another 372 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:32,359 Speaker 3: example of I think they thought he was going to 373 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 3: contribute last year. What you wonder is he's now a 374 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 3: year off the ACL He gave you two and a 375 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:43,119 Speaker 3: half sacks and some energy last year. If you can 376 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:45,720 Speaker 3: get a little more out of him. I don't think 377 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 3: necessarily his return means you don't need that quote third 378 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:52,200 Speaker 3: edge rusher. Sure, but he can contribute in that way. 379 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 3: And again, all three of these guys this week intangibly rich. 380 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 3: That's what they I talk about around here. Those guys 381 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 3: fit that. 382 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:03,479 Speaker 6: And they trust him a lot. No matter what they 383 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 6: ask him to do, they trust you'll be ready to 384 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 6: do it. 385 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 1: Absolutely say with us here on the free agency edition 386 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:10,159 Speaker 1: of jags Am, we are going to come back and 387 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:12,359 Speaker 1: talk a little bit about what's been going on elsewhere 388 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:21,119 Speaker 1: around the league. Welcome back to Jagsam and the PM today. 389 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:23,720 Speaker 1: As we're talking a little bit about free agency. It's 390 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 1: all quiet here in Jacksonville as most of the moves 391 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 1: were made earlier this week, kind of retaining some of 392 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 1: their own players. But now things are official throughout the leagues. 393 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 1: We're gonna talk a little bit about what that means 394 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:37,680 Speaker 1: because a couple of familiar faces here in Jacksonville are going. 395 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 6: To be headed elsewhere. 396 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 1: So one of those is Travis Etn who's heading back 397 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 1: home to Louisiana signing a four year deal with the 398 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 1: Saints and John I think maybe we kind of expected this. 399 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:49,639 Speaker 1: I'm happy to see him get a long term deal, 400 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 1: and it feels like this might be a good fit 401 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 1: for him. But understandably, the Jaguars weren't gonna show out 402 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 1: maybe that much money on a running down. 403 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think they were for what twelve or 404 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 3: thirteen million, thirteen. I don't think they were gonna be 405 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 3: able to get close to that with how they now, 406 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:07,160 Speaker 3: how they felt about Travis, but just how they feel 407 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 3: about the running back position, how that has to be 408 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 3: managed over the course of time. We all like Travis 409 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 3: and you know, as good a guy as you as 410 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:19,679 Speaker 3: you want to have around. I think most people watching 411 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 3: this know how professional he was and how much he 412 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:26,400 Speaker 3: impressed this regime with his approach. Last year. He wasn't 413 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 3: really supposed to start, and he was the guy at 414 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:34,160 Speaker 3: running back and did everything right. Brian, you can talk 415 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:36,680 Speaker 3: more about on the field off the field. I've talked 416 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 3: to Travis a little bit. You know, he loves Louisiana 417 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:43,160 Speaker 3: now he's from there. My impression he's a Louisiana guy. 418 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:46,200 Speaker 3: Good for him getting to go back. If he couldn't 419 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 3: be here. My guess is Travis would have told you, 420 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 3: if I can't be here, you know then New Orleans 421 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 3: would have been number one. Hopefully he flourishes and has 422 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 3: a great finish to his career. And you know, I 423 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 3: think you guys feel this way too. Just because guys 424 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 3: leave during their career doesn't mean they're not a quote Jaguar. 425 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 3: Here's hoping he's a guy that is involved with this 426 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:13,199 Speaker 3: organization at some point going forward. He's the kind of 427 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:15,160 Speaker 3: guy that you want around and that you want people 428 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 3: to think of the Jaguars. 429 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:18,119 Speaker 2: Listen, in two of the last three years, he had 430 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:20,439 Speaker 2: more than fourteen hundred total yards from scrimmage, and he 431 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:22,720 Speaker 2: had more than eleven touchdowns. And last year he had 432 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 2: thirteen touchdowns. And I even said it late in the 433 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 2: year one of our hot takes on Monday morning after 434 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 2: he had a two touchdown performance. I think the Jaguars 435 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:31,960 Speaker 2: try to find a way to bring him back, and 436 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:34,920 Speaker 2: I don't know that they didn't. But twelve and a half, 437 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:38,640 Speaker 2: almost thirteen million dollars a year, you're you just don't 438 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 2: pay that not very often. The Saints are a completely 439 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 2: different roster. They're in a rebuilding mode. He's a touchdown maker. 440 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 2: I think the Jaguars have a hole they've got to fill. 441 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:49,440 Speaker 2: But they've got two young guys that they like, and 442 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:52,360 Speaker 2: they've got eleven draft picks. They've got plenty of picks 443 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 2: to go and find a couple more to bring in. 444 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 2: You know, for years and years we saw guys get 445 00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 2: cut around here, but we didn't see star players leave, 446 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 2: even free agency. That's part of the growth factor is 447 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 2: that you got the most out of guys. 448 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:07,200 Speaker 6: And I just I want to say this about Travis. 449 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:08,919 Speaker 2: He came in last year and he could have just 450 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:11,639 Speaker 2: been chewing on the fact that he didn't appear to 451 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:13,720 Speaker 2: be part of the future. They drafted two young guys 452 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:15,440 Speaker 2: and he had the best camp of any player. 453 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 6: Nobody had a better camp. Nobody had a better camp 454 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:18,920 Speaker 6: than he did last. 455 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:22,440 Speaker 2: Year, and it was a consequential player for your football team. 456 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:24,879 Speaker 2: He earned the right to go to free agency. And 457 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:27,440 Speaker 2: I'll miss him as well because he was a Wednesday 458 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 2: Sunday guy. You could always count on him standing in 459 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 2: front of the microphones and talking win or lose. But 460 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 2: for the Jaguars, they had to move forward and couldn't 461 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 2: afford to pay a running back almost thirteen million dollars 462 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:39,120 Speaker 2: a year. 463 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 1: It'd be a little different not seeing him out there 464 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:43,199 Speaker 1: and of course, also different for him because first time 465 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 1: he hasn't played with Trevor Lawrence as his quarterback and 466 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:46,399 Speaker 1: almost a decade. 467 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, so great, great little story. 468 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:50,720 Speaker 1: Right, It's great to see what they were able to 469 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 1: do together in college and in the pros. But we 470 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:55,240 Speaker 1: wish him all the best, of course to Travis, and 471 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 1: then we also wish the best Devin Lloyd, who's ending 472 00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 1: up in Carolina. He's gonna sign up longer term deal 473 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:04,200 Speaker 1: to play with the Panthers now. And that's another person 474 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 1: where Devin Lloyd just really had himself a year last year. 475 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:09,919 Speaker 1: I feel like Travesey Dams played really well last year 476 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:12,639 Speaker 1: as well and made a market for themselves just what 477 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 1: they were able to. 478 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:14,200 Speaker 6: Do lessons well. 479 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:16,879 Speaker 2: Credit him. The check Wars did not pick up the 480 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:20,200 Speaker 2: fifth year option on him. They let him play it out. 481 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 2: And this is what happens when you do that, you 482 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 2: become Listen, everybody saw the ninety nine yard pick six 483 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:30,400 Speaker 2: over and over and over, and that was a signature play. 484 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 6: John. 485 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 2: How many times this year did he stick up his 486 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 2: hand and pull a ball down or knock a ball free? 487 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 2: He had seven takeaways, He had almost twenty five percent 488 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:40,720 Speaker 2: of the Jaguars takeaways. 489 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 6: He was going to get paid, but he's. 490 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 2: Not a pass rushing linebacker, and so you've got to 491 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 2: make a decision about how much you want to spend 492 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,639 Speaker 2: on that position, and the Jaguars weren't willing to go 493 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 2: to the fifteen million dollars. 494 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:57,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, this one's so tough because I understand why fans 495 00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:01,240 Speaker 3: are very anxious about Devin Lloyd leaving. When you're looking 496 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 3: at a roster and a player, though off the ball linebacker, 497 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 3: even if they had a lot of interceptions, it's really 498 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 3: hard to pay off the ball linebacker for turnovers created 499 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:16,879 Speaker 3: because it's hard to repeat seven turnovers? Have they gotten 500 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:22,440 Speaker 3: the best out of Devin Lloyd? You know, a career year. Realistically, 501 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 3: if they brought him back, was he going to get 502 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 3: seven again? I hope for his sake he gets fifteen 503 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,199 Speaker 3: in Carolina. A good on him if he does. But 504 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 3: from a philosophical roster building point of view, there's almost 505 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 3: two sides of the same coin, meaning Travis Etn and 506 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 3: Devin Lloyd really good statistical players. The belief in the 507 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 3: building is, yes, we're gonna miss these guys, but they're 508 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 3: playing at positions that you are supposed to be able 509 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 3: as you build a franchise, and as you move forward, 510 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 3: you were supposed to be able to replace those Maybe 511 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 3: not the huge stat put but those are not supposed 512 00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:59,640 Speaker 3: to be positions even when they're productive that you pay 513 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:04,479 Speaker 3: frames in size shaking money for in free agency. So well, 514 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:09,359 Speaker 3: see it works out the reasoning behind it. It's now 515 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,120 Speaker 3: they don't like these guys. It was sound reasoning even 516 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:14,320 Speaker 3: if they even if they had more cap space, I'm 517 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:16,160 Speaker 3: not sure you see these guys come back. Listen. 518 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:19,399 Speaker 2: They've got two young backers you mentioned Jack Kyser earlier 519 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:23,359 Speaker 2: and Branson COLEMs signed here in unrestricted, our pardoning undrafted 520 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:24,440 Speaker 2: rookie free agency. 521 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:26,960 Speaker 6: And those are two guys that they have high hopes 522 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:27,239 Speaker 6: for them. 523 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:28,720 Speaker 1: Yeah. 524 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 2: I mean, we just saw Quintin Morris in the last 525 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 2: segment talking about his evolution here the same thing. I mean, 526 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,119 Speaker 2: this is a young player that they have high hopes for, 527 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 2: very talented, has the high length, speed profile that they 528 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:43,960 Speaker 2: want from the position. At some point when you have 529 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,399 Speaker 2: a quarterback and a couple of pass rushers, and we 530 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,639 Speaker 2: can say this over and over, there are other guys 531 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:50,919 Speaker 2: on this roster that they want to sign guys that 532 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 2: they really need to be a part of the Jaguars DNA, 533 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 2: and you can't spend money on every position. 534 00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 6: You've got to make hard choices. Etn and Lloyd were 535 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 6: hard choices, but theoretically it frees up better. 536 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 2: Choices, easier choices about players who you want to keep. 537 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 3: Here here's the main argument I get from fans on this. Well, 538 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:14,200 Speaker 3: you've been saying for years that you have to draft 539 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 3: and develop. And as you've drafted and developed and you 540 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,720 Speaker 3: let these guys go, here's the thing. If you draft 541 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 3: and develop, well, you draft and develop too many guys 542 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,479 Speaker 3: to do that with. So part of draft and develop 543 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 3: is making the right choice once they're developed on who 544 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,360 Speaker 3: you have to say, look, we really liked you. You know, 545 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:33,679 Speaker 3: you have a home here for the rest of your 546 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:38,399 Speaker 3: life after your career, but we have to make choices. Ideally, 547 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 3: they would draft so well that you have this kind 548 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:41,680 Speaker 3: of heartache every year. 549 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 1: Ye and as you mentioned, some of those players that 550 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:47,160 Speaker 1: are coming up, Treyvon Walker in the last year, the deal, 551 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:51,720 Speaker 1: Pats Parker, Washington's strange. There's a lot of names that I'm. 552 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:52,119 Speaker 6: Sure An's on. 553 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,680 Speaker 2: Harrison, I mean, he's a guy again he's coming into 554 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:56,920 Speaker 2: a position where if you like him and they do, 555 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:00,399 Speaker 2: offensive tackles are not inexpensive and they're harder to fine 556 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:02,880 Speaker 2: then off the ball linebackers at running backs. 557 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,720 Speaker 1: Let's talk a little bit about another This doesn't involved 558 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 1: the Jaguars in any way, but very high drama. And 559 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 1: this is why if we had the show yesterday, we've 560 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:13,679 Speaker 1: been talking about something completely different. Max Crosby deal following through, 561 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:17,439 Speaker 1: the Ravens pulling out, end up signing Trey Hendrickson instead, 562 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,720 Speaker 1: and Brian, I feel like this is one of those 563 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:23,879 Speaker 1: things where you're like, you forget. Things aren't official until 564 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,119 Speaker 1: four pm on Wednesday, and they can pull out with 565 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 1: the physical doesn't go through or whatever the case may 566 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:32,680 Speaker 1: have been why the Ravens didn't want to go through 567 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 1: with it, But this is why things are reported until 568 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:36,639 Speaker 1: it's official. 569 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:38,840 Speaker 2: Listen, everyone's casting shade at the Ravens and I get 570 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,280 Speaker 2: it right. I mean, it's a bad look, especially when 571 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 2: they sign Trey Hendrickson. But the fact of the matter 572 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:46,200 Speaker 2: is what if they got in there and saw something 573 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 2: that they really didn't like and thought man given up 574 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,920 Speaker 2: two first round picks. Here, deals aren't done until they're done. 575 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:53,919 Speaker 2: That's the way it works in the business world, and 576 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 2: it's the way it works in the NFL until they 577 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 2: change the rules. 578 00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:04,119 Speaker 3: Yeah, you do wonder. None of us know details enough 579 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 3: about either Raiders or Ravens to know anything inside beyond 580 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:12,440 Speaker 3: what we see on Twitter. You do wonder if they will. 581 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,160 Speaker 3: I'm sure there will be meetings and conversations within the league, 582 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,680 Speaker 3: not about this specifically in terms of penalties or anything 583 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 3: like that, but is there a better way for these 584 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:28,640 Speaker 3: two days to you know, calm it down, to make 585 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 3: it a little more to where this sort of a 586 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 3: domino effect doesn't happen. I'm not sure there is, but 587 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 3: I'm I think those conversations are legitimate because it is 588 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 3: tough because you are, you know, the Raiders built a 589 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,640 Speaker 3: lot around the presumption of this trade, and they really 590 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:49,720 Speaker 3: didn't have a choice but to do that because of 591 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:53,119 Speaker 3: the timing of things. So I don't know the answer, 592 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:57,000 Speaker 3: but I sense that the league will ask questions, is 593 00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 3: there a better way to set this up? So it's 594 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,080 Speaker 3: not as I risk for team Well. 595 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:05,520 Speaker 2: This will certainly propel that conversation forward, But the Ravens 596 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 2: were excited enough about him to give up two first 597 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 2: round picks on Saturday, So I look at it and 598 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:13,399 Speaker 2: think that perhaps they really found something that they didn't like. 599 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 2: Now I understand the side of it that says, well, 600 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,879 Speaker 2: of course they like the fact that Trey Hendrickson was available. 601 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:19,679 Speaker 2: But you know, if you put a contract on the house, 602 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,119 Speaker 2: you have a ten day instrofection period. It's kind of 603 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 2: the same thing. You find something that you really don't like, 604 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 2: you walk away from it. And that's the way the 605 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 2: rules are written right now. So the legal will have 606 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:31,440 Speaker 2: to come back around, the owners will get involved, the 607 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:34,720 Speaker 2: Management Council will get involved. We'll see where this one goes. 608 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,679 Speaker 2: But it's high drama, and boy doesn't the league love drama. 609 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 6: Well, they don't mind. 610 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 1: It at all, as they got their money's worth with 611 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 1: the drama this week. Because we'll have to see what 612 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:44,560 Speaker 1: ends up happening with that. The Raiders at this point, 613 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 1: I think, are expecting to go forward with Max Crosby, 614 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 1: but at any point I'm sure a trade could happen, 615 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:51,640 Speaker 1: so we'll keep an eye on that as well. Stay 616 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 1: with us here on jaggs AM and the PM. We'll 617 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:55,239 Speaker 1: come back and tell you what's up the next The 618 00:28:55,240 --> 00:29:01,520 Speaker 1: rest of the week, Jags fan's time to lock in 619 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,240 Speaker 1: your seats for twenty twenty six. Place your deposits now. 620 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 1: Of course, Everybank stadium undergoing renovations, but the seating capacity 621 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 1: is gonna be limited due to those renovations in Bowl, 622 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:13,720 Speaker 1: so the spots are going very fast. You don't want 623 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 1: to miss out on these matchups next season, as we 624 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,840 Speaker 1: know the games and the opponents. Check out Jaguars dot 625 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:27,440 Speaker 1: com slash tickets have you. 626 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:36,040 Speaker 3: What's up, Moody, what's going on? Okay? Yeah, what happens 627 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:49,640 Speaker 3: to be able to come up? Well? Said ranging that 628 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 3: you got pods. That's uh. 629 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:57,760 Speaker 1: A lot of big news here in the Miller Electric Center. 630 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:01,400 Speaker 1: Construction across the street, but Ontek's was in here on Monday, 631 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 1: and a little family affair Coach Campbell and raspberries. There's 632 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,000 Speaker 1: a lot of focus. They are working, I promise, I promise. 633 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:09,440 Speaker 1: But I think maybe later in the week we might 634 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 1: hear a couple names or we haven't had any outside additions, 635 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:14,760 Speaker 1: but maybe something to keep an. 636 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:15,480 Speaker 3: Eye on later in the week. 637 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 2: Don't make the mistake of thinking that just because nothing's happened, 638 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,960 Speaker 2: nothing's being done, right, I mean, just because they didn't 639 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,520 Speaker 2: get the deal that they wanted doesn't mean that they 640 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 2: weren't looking for a deal, right, And so you know 641 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:31,080 Speaker 2: these guys, they proved it last year. They're always looking 642 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:34,400 Speaker 2: for players, and I don't know what's in the pipeline, 643 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:35,920 Speaker 2: but I wouldn't be surprised at all if there aren't 644 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,440 Speaker 2: a couple of editions. Again and that I keep going 645 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 2: back to Robert Hainsey, but I thought he was the 646 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 2: perfect example of a guy who came in and filled 647 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 2: an important role and played really well at a good 648 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:47,719 Speaker 2: number that worked. 649 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:52,280 Speaker 3: And never forget too many people look at free agency 650 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:58,360 Speaker 3: as always bringing in Colvan Lannon, Jakobe Myers, Montera Brown, 651 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,040 Speaker 3: three pretty big signs that they feel like they had 652 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,680 Speaker 3: to get done. Jacobe, in a lot of ways, was 653 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 3: this year's free agent because of how he came in 654 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,760 Speaker 3: midway through last year. If people say, well, of course 655 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:10,680 Speaker 3: that's what the team's gonna say, but there's a lot 656 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,560 Speaker 3: of truth to that. And again, I can't you know 657 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,360 Speaker 3: to me, this is how you do free agency. 658 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 1: But yes, not as dramatic, not as much drama, but 659 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,600 Speaker 1: quietly doing the right things and keeping the right players 660 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:25,880 Speaker 1: here in Jacksonville. So joy the rest of your week. 661 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:27,680 Speaker 1: We'll see you back here next week on Jack XAM