1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 1: Hi, everyone, Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted Social 2 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 1: Distancing Style from Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford, 3 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 1: joined as always by my trusted colleague West hot Cooits. 4 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 1: We're coming to you here from our humble abodes, as 5 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:29,320 Speaker 1: we've been doing for the last several weeks and West 6 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:34,519 Speaker 1: Today's show, I want to follow the same format, similar 7 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 1: format to what we did on our last show and 8 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:38,560 Speaker 1: talking about the draft class, but I want to expand 9 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 1: the topics to really where the Packers roster is in 10 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 1: general right now. And since we don't have O, T, 11 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 1: A S and a minicamp and all of that to 12 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 1: to preview and to cover due to the pandemic, this 13 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 1: is almost going to serve as like a training camp preview. 14 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 1: And maybe we'll do this show again, you know, sometime 15 00:00:57,320 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 1: in July or August or what. I have a feeling 16 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 1: we're gonna be doing a lot of things over and 17 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 1: over again. Yeah, perhaps perhaps, But my point is I've 18 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 1: got some questions for you, some overarching questions maybe where 19 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 1: things stand with the Packers roster. So I want to 20 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:12,760 Speaker 1: start with this one because this one comes up a 21 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:17,319 Speaker 1: lot in our insider inbox Portal Packers signed three free 22 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 1: agents in the off season, Devin Functions, Christian Kirksey, Rick Wagner. 23 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:24,959 Speaker 1: Which of those three do you see having the biggest 24 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:30,039 Speaker 1: impact on the Green Bay Packers. Yeah, without a question, 25 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:33,040 Speaker 1: in my mind, it's Christian Kirksey because one, it's a 26 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 1: very young position now, with Blake Martinez and b J. 27 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:38,960 Speaker 1: Goodson both moving on to two different pastors this offseason. 28 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 1: Kirksy is the only real established veteran. There are a 29 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 1: lot of young players behind him. He did he does 30 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 1: have the injuries the last two years, only played in 31 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 1: nine games the past two seasons, but before that he 32 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 1: was an every down player for the Cleveland Browns and 33 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 1: by all accounts, he could very well be that again 34 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 1: now for the Green Bay Packers. You know that kind 35 00:01:56,760 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 1: of eight dred nine hundred thousand snap lineback or in 36 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 1: this defense. And I also just like his overall makeup. 37 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 1: I've said this since the very beginning when they when 38 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:09,079 Speaker 1: they signed Christian Kirksey, he was on the precipice of 39 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 1: looking like a really elite all around linebacker prior to 40 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:18,919 Speaker 1: this whole situation, and unfortunately the injuries kind of set 41 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 1: him back. But he's still only twenty seven. He still 42 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 1: has the prime of his you know, he's in the 43 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 1: prime of his career, and he has a great opportunity 44 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 1: at this point to real establish himself in Mike Patton's defense, 45 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 1: a coordinator that he's worked with before. Yeah, I think 46 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 1: you could make an argument in some respects for any 47 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 1: one of these three guys as far as this question goes. 48 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 1: You know, a lot of folks are looking for Devin 49 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:43,079 Speaker 1: Funch's to make a really big impact because the Packers 50 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 1: did not add any draft picks at wide receiver. I 51 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 1: think there's also a strong argument to be made for 52 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 1: Rick Rick Wagner because, as we talked about on our 53 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 1: last show, the Packers didn't draft that offensive tackle of 54 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:57,799 Speaker 1: the future. They didn't they didn't draft spend that high 55 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 1: draft pick on a guy who could be pretend actually 56 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 1: that swing back up on the right side and the 57 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 1: left side behind the two veterans Box tr and Wagner. 58 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 1: You just wonder what would happen, you know, say, if 59 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 1: Wagner were to get hurt or if something were to 60 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:14,919 Speaker 1: go wrong there, do you end up sliding Billy Turner 61 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 1: out to right tackle and then you know you're you're 62 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 1: shifting things around a lot with your offensive line or 63 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:22,920 Speaker 1: one of the other young guys Alex light yosh Naiman, 64 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 1: if they come on strong in training camp in the preseason, 65 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 1: would they be ready to step in So Wagner, you know, 66 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 1: not just because tackles are out there on an island, 67 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:34,360 Speaker 1: but in some senses, he's kind of out there on 68 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 1: an island as this free agent pick up for the 69 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 1: Packers because they didn't build a whole lot of other 70 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 1: reinforcements behind him. Just something that I think we're gonna 71 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 1: have to watch as the season unfolds. Um. I also 72 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 1: really enjoyed to kind of break the fourth wall here 73 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 1: you and I both getting our COVID nineteen update phone 74 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 1: calls at the same exact time from the Packers organization. 75 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 1: If you're if you're a real strong viewer of unscripted, 76 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 1: you can kind of tell our radio sacre sees. Literally, 77 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 1: Spot and I both looked down at the same exact 78 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 1: time to see why our phones were ringing. At first 79 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 1: I thought it was Spot. It turned out to be me. 80 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 1: This this is the world we're dealing with now. Back 81 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 1: in the day when we're in the studio, my phone's 82 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 1: turned off, everything's fine. Lights are on Marvs in my 83 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:19,920 Speaker 1: ear but you know what, we're on zoom now. So 84 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 1: these are the things that we have to adjust to. 85 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:24,719 Speaker 1: That's right, and we'll just keep moving forward as best 86 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 1: we can. All right. So, um, here's another one for 87 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 1: you West heading into Say, if we were just a 88 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 1: couple of weeks away from training camp, what do you 89 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 1: think is the most interesting, intriguing position competition the Packers 90 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 1: are going to have in whatever form training camp takes 91 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 1: later this summer. Without a shadow of a doubt, it's 92 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 1: gonna end up being the secondary. And I'm gonna be 93 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 1: broad and say the secondary because of the story I 94 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:55,039 Speaker 1: wrote earlier this week on Packers dot com about the 95 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:59,479 Speaker 1: nickel cornerback position. You can we can talk until you 96 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:03,719 Speaker 1: know to tomorrow about right tackle, the changes that inside linebacker. 97 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 1: They didn't draft a receiver. They took a quarterback. There's 98 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 1: another running back. But let's be honest, like, the one 99 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:12,040 Speaker 1: thing the Packers got out in terms of where they 100 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:14,919 Speaker 1: exited that draft was pretty much where they started it 101 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:17,160 Speaker 1: in terms of their defensive backs and how they're going 102 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 1: to handle that nickel cornerback position. Now, Brian Goodkin said 103 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 1: right from the get go the week before the draft 104 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 1: that Trumon Williams is still very much in play for them. 105 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 1: He could be back. Thirty seven years young. Certainly played 106 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 1: uh I thought exceptional last year considering his age and 107 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 1: how much they needed him to be out there. That 108 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 1: being said, good Kunts and Matt la Floor both very 109 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 1: complimentary of a number of young corners and safeties on 110 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 1: this roster already, among them Chandon Sullivan, the undrafted free 111 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 1: agent that was picked up last May days after the 112 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 1: Philadelphia Eagles cut him following the draft, got cut off 113 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 1: their ninety man roster. He ends up in Green Bay, 114 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 1: Wisconsin and becomes a dime cornerback. And I thought played 115 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:58,480 Speaker 1: pretty well, you know it. I'm not trying to pat 116 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 1: myself on the back here, but I thought this young 117 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 1: man came in and pressed throughout training camp. If you 118 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:05,039 Speaker 1: go back and look at his numbers at the NFL 119 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:08,720 Speaker 1: scouting combine, he does have some impressive measurables and in 120 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 1: some impressive drail work, and I thought that athleticism showed 121 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 1: up last year. Josh Jackson, you know you also have 122 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 1: Kedar Home in the sixth round pick out of Toledo 123 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:21,359 Speaker 1: last year. Let's also touch on this to Mike. Very interesting. 124 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:24,280 Speaker 1: The Packers also talked about Darniell Savage being a guy 125 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 1: that could potentially play the nickel corner spot, or maybe 126 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 1: even JayR Alexander, although he's been on the perimeter here 127 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 1: the last few seasons. So they're going to be multiple 128 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 1: and they're going to be deep in terms of how 129 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:38,479 Speaker 1: they approached that position, and they're when they have five 130 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 1: cornerbacks on the field. That was my number one takeaway 131 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:43,599 Speaker 1: from this draft, because it wasn't like they took somebody 132 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:45,160 Speaker 1: that's like, Okay, this is gonna be the guy that's 133 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:47,839 Speaker 1: going to compete for that spot. They're going to look 134 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 1: to find, either with Tremont Williams or someone else on 135 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:54,480 Speaker 1: this roster, someone that's gonna take the reins of that job. Yeah, 136 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:56,599 Speaker 1: And I my answer to this question, I think it'd 137 00:06:56,600 --> 00:07:00,120 Speaker 1: be really easy obviously to say wide receiver, right is 138 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 1: you're gonna have Devin Funchius, Alan Lazard, m vs eq 139 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 1: st Brown, Jake Kumer, all these guys competing for how 140 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 1: they're gonna line up in the pecking order behind Yes, 141 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 1: Reggie from from the CFL. That's right, He's in the mix. 142 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 1: As well, but I'm not I don't want to go 143 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 1: there with the wide receiver thing. I think that's that's 144 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 1: almost too obvious. My answer to this one is actually 145 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:26,680 Speaker 1: going to be backup quarterback. And the reason I say that, 146 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 1: I think this is going to be a real legitimate 147 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 1: competition here in because in a normal circumstance, you spend 148 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 1: a first round draft pick on a quarterback you're expecting 149 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 1: behind Aaron Rodgers. You're expecting to be the number two 150 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 1: right away, just as Aaron Rodgers was in two thousand 151 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: five behind Brett Farve. But here's the thing West. The 152 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 1: first time that Jordan's Love is going to take an 153 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 1: actual snap in an eleven on eleven NFL practice, it's 154 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 1: not in rookie mini camp. It's not going to be 155 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 1: in O T A. S. It's not going to be 156 00:07:57,720 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 1: in a full squad mini camp. It's gonna be in 157 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 1: training camp his and and there's talk of course that 158 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 1: maybe training camp is even gonna be shortened and truncated. 159 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 1: We may not have the four preseason games. That what 160 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 1: we'll find all that out as we get down the road. So, 161 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 1: in that respect, and with what Tim Boyle did last year, 162 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 1: establishing himself as the number two behind Aaron Rodgers. I 163 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 1: think there's a legitimate competition here between Jordan Love and 164 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 1: Tim Boyle for this year as to who's going to 165 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 1: be the number two, because there's just no guarantee in 166 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 1: my opinion that Jordan's Love in this type of environment 167 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:33,839 Speaker 1: and with the time frame that that we're potentially dealing with, 168 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 1: that he's really going to be ready to be the 169 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:39,079 Speaker 1: number two ahead of Boil with all the preseason games 170 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 1: that he has under his belt. Yeah, exactly, Mike. I 171 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 1: think you know, not only just the preseason games, but 172 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 1: now he had an entire season where he was in 173 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:49,680 Speaker 1: that number two role. Um the guy that that did 174 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: have the clipboard, that did add the headset, that was 175 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:53,559 Speaker 1: wearing the shoulder pads, and was going to go into 176 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 1: the football game if something God forbid happened to Aaron Rodgers. 177 00:08:56,760 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 1: He's played that role now for an entire season. He 178 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 1: knows those pressure years and he's been able to prepare 179 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 1: his mindset now. Certainly, Jordan's Love has played a lot 180 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 1: of football, so I expect him to push for that job. 181 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:08,560 Speaker 1: I expect him to be right in the middle of 182 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:11,319 Speaker 1: that competition. Also to throw out there to The Packers 183 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 1: did release Manny Wilkins uh their their practice squad quarterback 184 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 1: from a year ago from a s U. They signed 185 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:21,080 Speaker 1: Jalen Merton uh And if you know anything about his story, 186 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 1: he actually did get a combine invite six ft four 187 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 1: really two or thirty pounds, I mean a really good arm. 188 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 1: I mean he has the prototypical build for that position. 189 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 1: So you know, don't completely you know, just look at 190 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 1: those three at the top and just figure the competitions 191 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 1: over there there over there, I think Morton could be 192 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 1: a guy that pushes too. But all that being said, 193 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:43,079 Speaker 1: Jordan's love is the Frouki first round pick. It's going 194 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 1: to be a challenging offseason. He's gonna have to overcome that. 195 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 1: You'll have a chance to do that during the virtual 196 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 1: offseason program. But I really I'm with you on that. 197 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 1: I think probably going all the way back to maybe 198 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 1: what might two thousand and eight, I mean, when was 199 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 1: the last time they probably had a competition like this 200 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 1: In terms of a number two that looks like he's 201 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 1: going to be, you know, an NFL football player. I 202 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:05,679 Speaker 1: think Tim Boyle does have a future in this league 203 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 1: in a rookie first round pick that you know a 204 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 1: lot of people are very high on. Yeah. Alright, Well, 205 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:15,079 Speaker 1: next question here for you, Wes the twenty nineteen draft class. 206 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 1: Which of those draft picks do you see taking the 207 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 1: biggest step forward in your number two? You know, it 208 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 1: would be easy to say Rashan Gary. And that's exactly 209 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:28,960 Speaker 1: why I'm gonna say Rashan Gary. Uh. The way that 210 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 1: this lays out for this young man, I know all 211 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 1: eyes were on him last year. Uh, and expectations were 212 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 1: incredibly high for him, and they still are. But you 213 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 1: gotta remember they had Kyler Facer in a very interesting 214 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:44,199 Speaker 1: role last season. He was not only the number of 215 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:46,559 Speaker 1: the number three guy at outside linebacker that was going 216 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 1: to be the first off the bench in many cases, 217 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 1: he also played that coverage linebacker role when they wanted 218 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 1: to take somebody off the ball a little bit. Well, 219 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 1: that guy's gone. Now, Kyler Facer has set sail. He's 220 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 1: in New York, so there is And by all accounts, 221 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 1: the Packers haven't really had a big signing that's gonna 222 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 1: come in and take those snaps. It would make the 223 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 1: most sense, as I wrote an Insider inbox this week, 224 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 1: to put those snaps on Rashaan Gary, so that was 225 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 1: foreigner and fifty snaps last year for Kyler Facral. I 226 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: think Gary played in the two range. People very critical, 227 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 1: you know, the only two sacks and this, that and 228 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 1: the other. Give this guy some time. He was twenty 229 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 1: one years old. The fortunate thing was that that shoulder 230 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:26,680 Speaker 1: thing that he was dealing with last year, he said, 231 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 1: I believe he told robbed him Omsky after this season, 232 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 1: he's not going to read that didn't require surgery, so 233 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 1: he was able to get into a full offseason. I 234 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:35,960 Speaker 1: just think when you have Zadarius Smith and Preston Smith 235 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:38,680 Speaker 1: doing what they're doing right now in leading the way 236 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 1: that they're leading, and the experiences that they had getting 237 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 1: used to an edge rushing role in the NFL as well, 238 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 1: that's such a valuable resource for them and for him, 239 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 1: and and also with Mike Smith in that room, I 240 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 1: expect for Shawn Gary to take a big step in. Yeah, 241 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:54,959 Speaker 1: And I think there are a lot of other candidates 242 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 1: potentially to to answer this question. When you're talking about 243 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 1: King's Ley Kiki on the defensive line in a position 244 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:03,079 Speaker 1: where the Packers didn't add a draft pick. We've talked 245 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 1: a lot about ja Sternber obviously at tight end, and 246 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 1: how much his playing time increased in the back half 247 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 1: of his rookie season into the playoffs and now with 248 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 1: Jimmy Graham no longer there for the Packers, that Sternberger's 249 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 1: a guy who's gonna step up. But if my answer 250 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:21,719 Speaker 1: to this question, I'm sticking in the first round of 251 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 1: the draft, actually, and I'm gonna say Darnell Savage, and 252 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:27,440 Speaker 1: I'm saying that obviously Savage stepped in, he was a 253 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 1: starter from day one. But a couple of things here. 254 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 1: One you mentioned he might be in the mix potentially 255 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 1: to play some nickel corner, some slot corner and expand 256 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:38,679 Speaker 1: his skill set a little bit. So that's really intriguing. 257 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 1: But the other thing I'll say too is that Savage 258 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 1: is a guy his his speed, his skills. The next 259 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 1: step for him is to start to become a playmaker, 260 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 1: not just in every down starter, not just you know, 261 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:54,200 Speaker 1: the the guy who stepped in from day one, but 262 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 1: to start making those those big time game changing, you know, 263 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:00,079 Speaker 1: type of plays. And when I look at a I 264 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 1: another guy in the secondary, different position corner as opposed 265 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 1: to safety with Savage, but Kevin King his third year 266 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:08,679 Speaker 1: in the league last year, and you could argue it 267 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:11,199 Speaker 1: wasn't even really his third year because his first two 268 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:14,559 Speaker 1: years he you know, he missed time with injuries and stuff. 269 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 1: He didn't really have two full seasons under his belt, 270 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 1: I guess is what I'm saying. All of a sudden, 271 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 1: Kevin King becomes the team leader in interceptions last year 272 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 1: with five. That's something that Darnell Savage could potentially do. 273 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 1: He got a couple of picks as a rookie, but 274 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 1: if suddenly that number goes up to four or five 275 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 1: or six, then he's he's a big time playmaker in 276 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 1: the secondary that quarterbacks are gonna start to worry about more. 277 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 1: I think Darnell Savage is a guy who could really 278 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 1: take a big step forward in and and the other 279 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 1: thing about last year's draft class Darnell Savage and Elton Jenkins. 280 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 1: First time since two thousand fourteen the Packers put two 281 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 1: guys from the same draft class on a pf W 282 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 1: A all rookie teams. So, I mean, the ceiling is 283 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:54,680 Speaker 1: just you know, huge for these guys and where they're 284 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 1: going to be able to potentially take this thing. Elton Jenkins, 285 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 1: I think, for my money, Mike. I can't think of 286 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 1: a rookie that came in and knocked the doors down 287 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 1: the way he did since probably David baktri in terms 288 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 1: of just being able to I'm not gonna I'm gonna 289 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 1: stop short of saying master the position, but not looking 290 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 1: like a rookie second round pick that you know, not 291 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:17,680 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people are gonna be patient 292 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 1: with And you look at the way that you know, also, 293 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 1: Corey Linsley gets thrown into that too, the way the 294 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 1: Packers have been able to throw some of these rookies 295 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 1: and young offensive lineman in there and play as well 296 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 1: as they have. Uh, you tip your cab to Jenkins, because, 297 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 1: as I've said over and over again, it's really special 298 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 1: when you can draft a player and within that first 299 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 1: year knock on wood. You know, barring injury, this looks 300 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 1: like a guy that you can plug into your offensive 301 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 1: line for the next decade and not think twice about it. Yeah, 302 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 1: no question about it, all right. Well, next question, speaking 303 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 1: of players taking steps forward, put aside the draft class, 304 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 1: Put aside the twenty nineteen draft class. A third or 305 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 1: fourth year guy that you're going to have your eye 306 00:14:56,480 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 1: on the Packers that you're looking to take that next 307 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 1: step with his career. It's burs it has to be. 308 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 1: And this is a guy that was a third round 309 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 1: pick two years ago. I love Oran has a tremendous 310 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 1: head on his shoulders, incredibly intelligent. You can already tell 311 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 1: that this guy is gonna do so many great things 312 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 1: once his football career is over. But he wants it 313 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 1: to be a long and prosperous football career. And you 314 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:23,040 Speaker 1: look at the past two offseasons, Mike. Both times it 315 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 1: was Taylor made for him to step into the starting lineup. 316 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 1: Last year, it really looked like he was going to 317 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 1: be able to do that and maybe even push Blake 318 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 1: Martinez for that dime linebacker role. Well, again an injury 319 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 1: pops up and again the Packers had to go out 320 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 1: and acquire a veteran inside linebacker to fill in as 321 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 1: Burke's with sidelines. So him having to get these late 322 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 1: starts into regular seasons that set him back the past 323 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 1: two years. But this guy has so much ability and 324 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 1: his body and he has a great makeup for the 325 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 1: game of football and defensive football. In two thousand twenty, 326 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 1: He's a guy that played safety, played defensive back. He 327 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 1: grew into his body and he became an inside linebacker. 328 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 1: This isn't some bloated hybrid that's just trying to, you know, 329 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 1: make away in the league. Or In Burkes is an 330 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 1: inside linebacker that can run with guys. So if he 331 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 1: can stay healthy, Mike, if he can really grab onto 332 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 1: that number two role. As much as I talked about 333 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 1: Christian Kirksey, and he's a great pickup for the Packers, 334 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 1: I think if he stays on the field, it's really 335 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 1: gonna benefit this defense. But or In Burks. They used 336 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 1: the third round pick out of him on him out 337 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 1: of Vanderbilt two years ago for a very specific reason, 338 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 1: and it's time for him to be able to grab 339 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 1: that job. Yeah. And actually Brian Goodkins traded up for 340 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 1: that third round pick to use or In Burkes as well. Um, 341 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 1: this is where I am going to dip into the 342 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 1: receiver conversation because the guy that I'm really intrigued to 343 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 1: watch here is e q st Brown. And the reason 344 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 1: I say that obviously, his second season in the NFL 345 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 1: was lost to injury, but if you go back to 346 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 1: his rookie year when the Packers had spent three Day 347 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 1: three draft picks at wide receiver Jamon Moore, Marquis Valdis Scandling, 348 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 1: and Equanimius st. Brown. By the end of that rookie season, 349 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 1: St Brown was the guy who was the furthest ahead 350 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 1: on the depth chart as far as those three guys 351 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:06,439 Speaker 1: were concerned. And then the twenty nineteen season, he just 352 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 1: never was really able to get it started due to 353 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 1: the injury and it cost him the entire year. Now, 354 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 1: this is a guy you talk about, and we could list, 355 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 1: you know, any number of guys that have a huge 356 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 1: opportunity knocking in. But if you're e Q st Brown 357 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:26,359 Speaker 1: and you just missed your entire second season due to injury, 358 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 1: and then you watched as the Packers signed one wide 359 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:32,719 Speaker 1: receiver and free agency and then didn't draft any wide receivers, 360 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:36,119 Speaker 1: the opportunity you have in front of you to put 361 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 1: that you know, lost season to injury behind you and 362 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 1: to get back to really pick up where you left 363 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:43,439 Speaker 1: off at the end of your rookie year. That's the 364 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:46,159 Speaker 1: opportunity that st Brown has. I want to bring it 365 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:48,359 Speaker 1: down memory lane a little bit here, and and I 366 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:50,359 Speaker 1: love to talk about equ some more. You made some 367 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 1: great points on him. If this guy would have been 368 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 1: a red shirt going into Notre Dame. He'd be coming 369 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:56,920 Speaker 1: out now first if you would write in his entire 370 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 1: time there. So he's a young man, a lot of 371 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:01,359 Speaker 1: ability there. But let's let's take a little bit of 372 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 1: a trip down memory lane, Mike. There is one year, 373 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:08,640 Speaker 1: one year out of the now eleven NFL drafts I've 374 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 1: covered where I thought the Packers made a legitimate mistake 375 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 1: not drafting a player at a position that was two 376 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 1: thousand thirteen. They decided against taking a safety. They decided, Okay, 377 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 1: m D. Jennings drawn mcmill and that's where how we're 378 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 1: going to proceed. That was ill advised and and you know, 379 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 1: my compliments to both guys, they're both fantastic guys. I 380 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:34,359 Speaker 1: really loved empty Jennings, good dude to deal with. But 381 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:38,160 Speaker 1: they left a hole there. The next year they responded, 382 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 1: They took Haha, Clinton Dicks, They moved Mike a hide 383 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:45,200 Speaker 1: from cornerback to safety or began that transition, and they 384 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 1: overhauled the position. That spoke volumes about what the Packers 385 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 1: felt they needed to do to improve what had probably 386 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 1: been in two thousand thirteen and Achilles heel for them. 387 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:58,239 Speaker 1: I mentioned that story because I think this was a 388 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 1: big thing for Brian Goodkins to put the faith that 389 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 1: he has in that receiver's room on those guys and 390 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:08,360 Speaker 1: not use a first round pick on it, not trade up, 391 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 1: not trade back, just decide that, you know what, we 392 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:14,639 Speaker 1: signed Devin Funchous. We have several young guys at that 393 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 1: position that we think we can help us. We're gonna 394 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 1: trust that talent and trust and ability. There's a risk there, 395 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:23,119 Speaker 1: there's a gamble, and we'll see when two rolls around 396 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 1: exactly where they ended up falling on that. But if 397 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 1: I'm e Q, if I'm mvs. Jake Kumero, Reggie Begelton, 398 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 1: I mean even Allen Lazard, who I think right now 399 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 1: everyone would agree is probably Pencilan is the number two 400 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 1: at this point. All those guys, this is a tremendous 401 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 1: opportunity for them to show that, you know what, the 402 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:43,239 Speaker 1: faith that Brian Goodkin is placed in us, in this 403 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:46,159 Speaker 1: position room, in this group, there's good reason for it. 404 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 1: We're going to capitalize on that opportunity. Yeah, I totally 405 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:51,440 Speaker 1: agree with you. Absolutely. One more I'm gonna throw at 406 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:53,439 Speaker 1: you here West before we sign off. Okay, and this 407 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:56,200 Speaker 1: is your this is the opportunity to say something off 408 00:19:56,240 --> 00:20:00,720 Speaker 1: the wall, just in just in case it sticks later. Okay, 409 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 1: but here's the question, what is a potential story in 410 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 1: for the Green Bay Packers that no one is talking 411 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 1: about right now? Josh Jackson, you can go as off 412 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:14,120 Speaker 1: the wall as you want to on this go ahead. 413 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's off the wall. He's a 414 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:17,639 Speaker 1: second round pick, but I'm gonna say, Josh Jackson. I 415 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 1: think by the end of two thousand and twenty, Josh 416 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:22,479 Speaker 1: Jackson will be a starting cornerback in the NFL. I 417 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 1: think that this guy got off to a really rough start. 418 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:27,480 Speaker 1: He really had to get thrown into the fire in 419 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 1: two thousand eighteen. He dealt with that foot injury early 420 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 1: in camp in two thousand nineteen, and then just wasn't 421 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 1: able to really regain that momentum on the defensive side 422 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 1: of the ball. I still think he's a really good 423 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,879 Speaker 1: special teamer. I think the way I look at it, 424 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 1: I'm not sure exactly how the defensive thing is going 425 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 1: to turn out if his ceiling has been reached. I 426 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:47,919 Speaker 1: still think Josh Jackson could be a tenure player in 427 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 1: this league. Is a special team contributor. I think he's 428 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:52,919 Speaker 1: that good in that area. I really truly do. But 429 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:56,120 Speaker 1: there's a reason why the Packers drafted him where they did. 430 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 1: There was a reason why there was conversation about him 431 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 1: being a first round pick at times in two thousand 432 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:03,119 Speaker 1: and eighteen. I went back and read his bio, his 433 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 1: draft uh NFL dot com draft page, and his strengths 434 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 1: and weaknesses, and this is a guy that people were 435 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 1: saying was going to be a starter within one year. 436 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 1: He had that ability. I just think Josh Jackson is 437 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 1: going to get a great opportunity this offseason, this upcoming 438 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 1: season to prove that he still can be that guy. 439 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 1: If he stays healthy, he can be that guy. Because 440 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:25,480 Speaker 1: the thing about it is, you know there there have 441 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 1: been some guys that you know, you see him come 442 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 1: through and every team, every city, they're a high round 443 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 1: draft pick, things don't work out and they end up 444 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 1: being a problem child. Josh Jackson was not that guy. 445 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 1: He did not cry, he did not whine, he did 446 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:40,159 Speaker 1: not complain. He did his job. And if the Packers 447 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:43,440 Speaker 1: stand panic cornerback, whether it ends up being nickel cornerback, 448 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:45,359 Speaker 1: dime quarterback, I think he's gonna have an opportunity to 449 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 1: find his way to the defense in that second chance 450 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 1: to show that, Okay, this was the ball hawk that 451 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:52,399 Speaker 1: we wanted out of Iowa and he can be that 452 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 1: player in the NFL. Yeah, I'm really intrigued to see 453 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:58,200 Speaker 1: what Jackson does in as well, assuming that he can 454 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:01,879 Speaker 1: hit the ground running so speak as the healthy player 455 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:04,680 Speaker 1: that he was when he first showed up as a rookie. 456 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:06,880 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go a little bit off the wall here, West. 457 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 1: I warned you the Packers have a veteran tight end 458 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 1: on this roster who's only been I believe, to one 459 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:16,439 Speaker 1: Pro Bowl in his career. His name is Marcedes Lewis. 460 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 1: And I just wonder, I just wonder Jimmy Graham is gone. 461 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 1: The Packers other tight ends are really young. We saw 462 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 1: Marcedes Lewis catch a touchdown past late last season. Just 463 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 1: how much is he gonna be potentially a red zone 464 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:33,359 Speaker 1: target here for Aaron Rodgers? And I can see I 465 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:35,399 Speaker 1: can see Aaron Rodgers having a lot of fun with 466 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:38,160 Speaker 1: this because this stat has taken off about the fact 467 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 1: that Aaron Rodgers has thrown only one touchdown pass and 468 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 1: his entire career to a first round draft pick, Well, 469 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:46,680 Speaker 1: guess it was Marcedes Lewis last year. So I can 470 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:48,919 Speaker 1: just see every time Rogers can hit Lewis for a 471 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 1: touchdown pass, then he can say something after the game. 472 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 1: But well, I have to, you know, add to that 473 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 1: statistical in my career of throwing touchdowns to first round 474 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 1: draft picks. As I said, I'm kind of having fun 475 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 1: here and and you know, going a little bit off script, 476 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:05,400 Speaker 1: but uh, I just I think mar I think Marcedes 477 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:09,160 Speaker 1: Lewis could end up being more than just the blocking 478 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:11,239 Speaker 1: tight end as much as he's going to play that 479 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:14,120 Speaker 1: role in this offense. With the way Matt Lafleur wants 480 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 1: to run the ball, the Packers are going to have 481 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 1: kind of this three headed monster in the backfield and 482 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 1: all that now with a j. Dillon added to Aaron 483 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 1: Jones and Jamal Williams. But I think we're gonna see 484 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:27,280 Speaker 1: Marcedes Lewis, particularly in the red zone, goal line situations, 485 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 1: those short passes to get it to the finish line. 486 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 1: I think he's gonna play a little bit bigger role 487 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 1: and just maybe, just maybe Rogers throws him enough touchdown 488 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 1: passes to get him into consideration for maybe his second 489 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:43,199 Speaker 1: Pro Bowl. Of his long and distinguish that is a 490 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 1: heck of a going outside the box. We're gonna see it. Hey, dude, 491 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:47,919 Speaker 1: I had to I had to try, right, I have 492 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,399 Speaker 1: to try. So that would have to be a record, 493 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:52,679 Speaker 1: right if I mean that would have to be a record. 494 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:54,880 Speaker 1: If Mercedes Lewis would actually be able to put together 495 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:58,200 Speaker 1: a Pro Bowl season, that would be at least ten 496 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 1: years between the states because he went and to thousand ten. 497 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:02,879 Speaker 1: I don't know if anyone else has done that. I 498 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 1: think it'd be a great story. I hope, I hope. 499 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 1: I hope in six months you and I are talking 500 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 1: about that. Yeah, I hope we get to see some 501 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,439 Speaker 1: football too. But but the thing is, I want to 502 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:14,400 Speaker 1: just point this out. I do like that story because 503 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 1: it kind of reminds me, did you ever play city 504 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 1: league basketball at all? No? At No, I haven't played 505 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:23,399 Speaker 1: basketball since college intramurals when I got it when I 506 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:26,960 Speaker 1: got a ten cent signing bonus from a fraternity team 507 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,680 Speaker 1: that I was not part of the fraternity. They're gonna 508 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 1: keep that down. The n c A is gonna come 509 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:34,160 Speaker 1: and find you. Spot. You're gonna take away your old 510 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,400 Speaker 1: scholarship to Lawrence. They sent me a dime in inner 511 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:39,920 Speaker 1: office mail to a sign on the dotted line and 512 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:43,919 Speaker 1: join their intermural team. Anyway, story for another day. Point 513 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 1: being old man strength. Every city league, basketball league I 514 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:50,160 Speaker 1: ever played, and there's always that old guy that's probably 515 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 1: thirty years older than the other guys. But he's big, 516 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,199 Speaker 1: he's strong, and he posts up in the paint and 517 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 1: nobody can stop him. Mercedes Lewis two thousand, twenty man 518 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:02,880 Speaker 1: put it on the board, all right. Well, with that, 519 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 1: we will call it a wrap on this edition of 520 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 1: Packers Unscripted. And just a reminder, the NFL schedule is 521 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 1: coming out on Thursday evening, so be sure to keep 522 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 1: your eye on Packers dot com as soon as it 523 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 1: is available. We will have all the details and on 524 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:20,560 Speaker 1: our next show, our next Unscripted West, we will be 525 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 1: breaking down the schedule, going over all of those details 526 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 1: with what lies ahead in as uncertain as everything perhaps is. 527 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 1: But for now, for Wes, I am Mike. Thank you 528 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,720 Speaker 1: for tuning, and everybody stay safe and we will see 529 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 1: you next time.