Speaker 1: Welcome to Pod meets Twirld, a podcast the once chronicled
Speaker 1: two guys who had never seen Dancing with the Stars,
Speaker 1: but watched a season and walked away experts. From there,
Speaker 1: we ventured into trader As, a show I'd never seen,
Speaker 1: but one Will swore he could win and now survivor
Speaker 1: season fifty, the Big One, and this time the roles
Speaker 1: are reversed. Will has seen exactly one season, the very
Speaker 1: first one.
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, I've watched for years.
Speaker 1: We are Wilfred Ell, who prefers his wilderness with room service,
Speaker 1: and Ryder Strong, who will hike any mountain but hates
Speaker 1: the beach. Two best friends, one devoted to the comforts
Speaker 1: of civilization and one who would never leave the.
Speaker 2: Woods if he could.
Speaker 1: Both reality competition scholars join us as we dive into alliances, blindsides,
Speaker 1: fire making, sand related misery, and twenty five years of
Speaker 1: television history culminating in a single massive season. This is
Speaker 1: Pod meets Twirled Seeking Immunity.
Speaker 2: I like the long pause after the giant build up.
Speaker 1: It's a it's a long intro, it's a lot I
Speaker 1: love it, and the outro is.
Speaker 2: Like two sentences. I know the outro is probably should
Speaker 2: be more and this should be less.
Speaker 3: Against again, the four play is always always longer than
Speaker 3: post coitus.
Speaker 2: Everybody knows that.
Speaker 1: My my big takeaway feeling, my overwhelming feeling right now
Speaker 1: this week, after this episode, and I'm not sure why
Speaker 1: is that I want to be on.
Speaker 3: Survivor after this week. I don't disagree, really, yeah, I don't.
Speaker 3: This was a very fun on the edge of my
Speaker 3: seat totally. I now know everybody's name instantly, I'm in
Speaker 3: on their stories.
Speaker 2: I'm in, I'm in.
Speaker 1: Okay, wow, great, So I think, yeah, I'm just sitting
Speaker 1: there going like, no, I think I could do this,
Speaker 1: and I think I would have a lot of fun
Speaker 1: doing that.
Speaker 3: I think you might have been a bit like Steph though,
Speaker 3: or people would cut to your talking head like Rider
Speaker 3: can't lie to me, so every time he does he's fidgeting.
Speaker 1: Oh God, look at So there's a way to play
Speaker 1: knowing that you know, Like I think, Ozzie is playing
Speaker 1: very straightforward game where he's not lying to anybody's face,
Speaker 1: but he's also not so confrontation that when he confronts
Speaker 1: people they still kind of like him.
Speaker 2: Rizzo is another interesting way to go about it. Another way, too,
Speaker 2: is like, hey, this is a game. I'm playing the game.
Speaker 1: Even Devin's like, I think it's when you start getting
Speaker 1: too personal, which is another problem I would have.
Speaker 3: Rizzo takes it to another level though, and it's the
Speaker 3: way I would play, which is childlike wonderment. Oh and
Speaker 3: so you can't kick off the four year old. They're
Speaker 3: having too much fun totally. And so when you go
Speaker 3: in with like this is the beat, I.
Speaker 2: Just can't believe. I'm just here having a good time.
Speaker 1: And I get to work with everybody and oh my god,
Speaker 1: I ate a coconut today and a kicksychopath like you
Speaker 1: exactly who wants to kick that person off? Yeah?
Speaker 2: You just you never know, man, I think there's playing Well,
Speaker 2: maybe it's just this.
Speaker 1: Point of the season when everybody's like crying because of
Speaker 1: the letters they get from home, and it just feels real.
Speaker 1: And I just cannot believe that every single per looks
Speaker 1: at it as like the greatest adventure that they've had,
Speaker 1: and like they see it as like this accomplishment that
Speaker 1: proves something about themselves to themselves. Yeah, and I just
Speaker 1: where I'm at right now, Like I thought I would
Speaker 1: never want to be on Survivor really. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: you fantasize about it, like everybody does, I think, to
Speaker 1: a certain extent when you're watching it.
Speaker 2: But for some reason this week I was like, I
Speaker 2: think I could actually use this.
Speaker 1: I can do this and be good at this and
Speaker 1: like and be healthy for me, And I don't I
Speaker 1: don't know how seriously to take that. We'll see how
Speaker 1: I feel in a week, but for now, that's my
Speaker 1: feeling is that I would actually like to be on Survivor,
Speaker 1: and I think I.
Speaker 3: Think it's really interesting that I'm completely coming around on
Speaker 3: it again. The thing that hit me this week was
Speaker 3: because and again this is on me, because I'm coming
Speaker 3: into the season where I'm supposed to know all this stuff,
Speaker 3: but now they've been on They said this was day nineteen,
Speaker 3: so you're nineteen days of hunger and all that stuff.
Speaker 3: As your body shuts down, you have to keep your
Speaker 3: mind sharp. Yeah, And so it was like the end,
Speaker 3: you know, one point Devin's is like, Okay, don't react
Speaker 3: out of anger. When I react that out, bad things happen.
Speaker 3: So you have to, like in a more starvation state,
Speaker 3: continue to remind yourself that the game while having a
Speaker 3: lot of physical attributes is ultimately cerebral yes and social yes,
Speaker 3: and as that starts to shut down, that's when people
Speaker 3: make mistakes.
Speaker 1: We talked about that last week with Christian, where it
Speaker 1: looked like he was losing it a little bit, like
Speaker 1: actually kind of lost it. And I think that's what
Speaker 1: I don't that's what I miss and traders or like
Speaker 1: that's why I've never watched Big Brothers because I'm.
Speaker 2: Like, well, if you're just a house right, I don't know.
Speaker 1: There's this there's something about the struggle that these people
Speaker 1: are putting their bodies and their minds through that I
Speaker 1: don't know if that's appealing to me, you know. I
Speaker 1: mean this is I go backpacking, you know, where you
Speaker 1: go into the wilderness intentionally to test yourself and to
Speaker 1: get to a place where you're like like the shower you.
Speaker 2: Take when you come back from like five days at backpacking.
Speaker 1: Actually is the greatest shower you've ever had, you know,
Speaker 1: And it's like makes me appreciate it. It's like, oh,
Speaker 1: the food tastes so good again, Like I just I
Speaker 1: you know, I was watching them. I think that's probably
Speaker 1: maybe what we had too, like watching them eat, like
Speaker 1: you know, a bracker with hummus and they're just like
Speaker 1: this is so You're just like, yes, so awesome.
Speaker 3: I was so happy when I saw I was sitting
Speaker 3: there a sue and I was like, oh.
Speaker 2: This is a writer's talking about it. It's the auction, it's
Speaker 2: the auction. Yes, this week had a lot of the
Speaker 2: big the big hits. Yeah, great letters. Yeah, it's a
Speaker 2: great episode. And I think you're right too.
Speaker 1: We're just getting to the numbers where you can wrap
Speaker 1: your head around all the people. It probably feels a
Speaker 1: little less gossipy because now you know what they're talking
Speaker 1: about the when you know their characters.
Speaker 3: So yeah, but it's also it's fun because it might
Speaker 3: seem a little less gossipy. But as the hungery they're
Speaker 3: getting and the more they're trying to maintain some sense
Speaker 3: of like mental acuity, yeah, the paranoia also kicks in.
Speaker 2: I know. So then it's wait, what did they say?
Speaker 2: Who said this to me? I had no idea how
Speaker 2: they were going to vote.
Speaker 3: Man, I was like, that was chaos and people just
Speaker 3: flat out lying and I'm starting starting to not like
Speaker 3: certain people because they lied, and like, wait, my crush
Speaker 3: is totally changed.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean it's been it's I have a
Speaker 2: whole new crush. By the way, we'll get it all right.
Speaker 1: So, coming off of the last episode where Jeff participated
Speaker 1: and realized how hard his own show actually is, Christian
Speaker 1: lost his puzzle. I had to write his own name down.
Speaker 1: Emily made a move for Ozzie. Serie never was going
Speaker 1: to do that and told everyone, so they pivoted to Christian,
Speaker 1: and Christian is out back at camp. You know, Ozzie
Speaker 1: talks about being happy that he has finally learned how
Speaker 1: to build alliance and have social skills, which is great
Speaker 1: because he would have been knocked off in any other season,
Speaker 1: I think at exactly this point.
Speaker 2: So he's totally right. It's happy Gilmore. Did you see
Speaker 2: happy Gilmore?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: Oh, you never saw happy Gomore. He never saw the
Speaker 2: hen't think so. I've seen. Isn't that the scene where
Speaker 2: he beats up a golf player at one? Yeah?
Speaker 1: No, beat he beats up Bob Barker. Okay, I've seen
Speaker 1: that scene. Okay, for whatever reason, but I don't know
Speaker 1: anything else.
Speaker 2: About the Miracle movie.
Speaker 3: And he can drive the ball farther than anybody, and
Speaker 3: he can hit the ball farther than anybody, but he can't.
Speaker 2: He has no short game.
Speaker 3: So at the end, he like he does this thing
Speaker 3: where he pulls out this putter and he hits the
Speaker 3: putt and he makes it from like thirty feet away
Speaker 3: and he looks up he.
Speaker 2: Goes, oh, oh happy he learned how to putt. And
Speaker 2: that's what I.
Speaker 3: Thought about with Ozzie, where it's like he's got all
Speaker 3: the physical act.
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, exactly, no, man, I'm still just fully.
Speaker 2: In the bag for him.
Speaker 1: And he's my favorite scene too, Like watching him basically
Speaker 1: tell Emily and Devin's off to their face without really
Speaker 1: telling them off. He's just like, all right, you snaked me,
Speaker 1: you were kind of you did it, you wrote my
Speaker 1: name down.
Speaker 2: I'm still gonna have to work with you. And like
Speaker 2: they all managed to be okay with it.
Speaker 1: I mean, they still turned on him in the course
Speaker 1: of this episode, but ultimately I think it's the way
Speaker 1: to play, you know, to be like, hey, that sucked
Speaker 1: that you did that, but not I'm not going to
Speaker 1: take it so personally that I have to make a
Speaker 1: big dramatic scene and shame you. He's just calling you out,
Speaker 1: putting you on.
Speaker 2: Notice.
Speaker 1: I saw what you did there. I'm okay, Like I survived.
Speaker 1: I'm lucky I did. I got my alliances. I can't
Speaker 1: trust you the way I thought I could. Oh well, yeah,
Speaker 1: we move on eventually.
Speaker 3: In the Hunger Games, you've got to kill every other contestant.
Speaker 3: I mean that's there's one left at the end.
Speaker 2: Yes, right, exactly.
Speaker 1: So yeah, man, just he just made the smartest move
Speaker 1: locking step with with Syria early on this season.
Speaker 2: She well, she's yes, she's a lucky Avellian. I mean
Speaker 2: the best possible way I know. And it's incredible.
Speaker 3: It's because she goes from this like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: I get excuse me, I'm gonna be sick real quick,
Speaker 3: and then I'm gonna come back and everybody's laughing. And
Speaker 3: then she gets into gameplay and it's like she turns
Speaker 3: into Darth Vader.
Speaker 2: Where she's just like, yeah, let's talk about the next day.
Speaker 2: It's incredible, Yeah, I mean wonderful. All right. So then, yeah,
Speaker 2: Ozzy has this sort of easy way of.
Speaker 1: Telling them off and telling it like it is without
Speaker 1: being too aggressive.
Speaker 2: I really appreciate that.
Speaker 1: And then you know, Emily and Devin's call themselves the
Speaker 1: two psychopaths out here and this kind of becomes a
Speaker 1: theme of the episode. It's like, because Aubrey's doing the
Speaker 1: same thing, She's like, I'm a psycho, which really put
Speaker 1: me in the mind. Do you remember, like psycho was
Speaker 1: one of those words that was really popular when we
Speaker 1: were like teenagers.
Speaker 3: Dude is big on Boy Meets World, we would call
Speaker 3: girls psycho. I think you're a psycho?
Speaker 1: Right, And now it's like not so you hear anymore,
Speaker 1: Like yeah, because everyone got into like what it actually meant,
Speaker 1: which is like, you know, you're a serial killer, Like
Speaker 1: you're being a psychopath was like a diagnosable condition, so
Speaker 1: we stopped using it as slang.
Speaker 2: But it seems like it's making a comeback. And I
Speaker 2: was going to say, I'm not sure. I'm not sure.
Speaker 2: I feel bad about that. I think it's no great.
Speaker 1: It's actually me well, I remember when we were kids,
Speaker 1: like like Legal Weapon.
Speaker 2: You would talk about him in what's his name? Mel
Speaker 2: Gibson's character be like he's kind of a psycho, yeah,
Speaker 2: and it would be like a positive thing. It was
Speaker 2: like being psychotic was cool. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: In the eighties it was they didn't play by the book.
Speaker 1: In the nineties, they were a psycho. Yeah, that's I mean,
Speaker 1: that's totally the way, all right. So then Devons decides
Speaker 1: to make a speech to everyone about his fake idol
Speaker 1: and reveal that it's a pocket square that he's rolled up.
Speaker 1: And I, you know, at this point I really thought
Speaker 1: he screwed his game. Turns out not to be the case. No,
Speaker 1: but not at all. But you know this point, I
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, yeah, man, I don't know like this,
Speaker 1: this this on the edge plane of like I'm constantly trickering,
Speaker 1: tricking everybody.
Speaker 2: I'm the trickster. And I was like, I don't think
Speaker 2: it's it's it's gonna work. But he pulled it off
Speaker 2: by the end of the episode, so he did.
Speaker 3: But he also shows that luck really does plays so
Speaker 3: many different facets to this game. It's physical, it's mental,
Speaker 3: and there's time where luck just matters. You're walking the
Speaker 3: right place, you find an idol, that's okay, you can
Speaker 3: search for him, but that's still lucky. Yeah, so yeah,
Speaker 3: it's it's It certainly is a multifaceted game.
Speaker 1: But the whole time Devon's is talking, do you see
Speaker 1: how the cameras is lingering on Joe listening to him,
Speaker 1: and he looks exactly like Robert de Niro and Taxi Driver.
Speaker 1: When he's staring at like the Alco cells are in
Speaker 1: the glass, like just getting more You're like, oh god,
Speaker 1: he's gonna knife him. He's gonna like like grab him
Speaker 1: and bite him. You know.
Speaker 2: I was like just.
Speaker 1: Getting more and more upset, and I'm like, geez, like
Speaker 1: so Devon's really rubs people like Joe the wrong way, like,
Speaker 1: you know, the people that are like you got to
Speaker 1: be straightforward, you know, were And I was like, so,
Speaker 1: who's going psycho right here? I think it's the the
Speaker 1: Joe's and the Jonathan's, the guys who are like trying
Speaker 1: to play it straight and keep their head in the game.
Speaker 2: They're a little more intense in a way that like.
Speaker 3: It's a weird analogy, but it's Thorn Loki totally. I mean,
Speaker 3: you've got you've got you've got to be a god
Speaker 3: and go by that, and then it's a total trickster.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean just even watching Jonathan the way he's like
Speaker 1: picking his beard like this like wise old man, Like
Speaker 1: you could see him like he's just starting to twitch
Speaker 1: a little bit. You know.
Speaker 2: They're all kind of enrap he.
Speaker 3: Is, and he's starting to get just I mean, I
Speaker 3: got you know, I know you got to play the
Speaker 3: way you gotta play, but lost some respect for Jonathan.
Speaker 2: I know, really did he let Stephanie take the fall? Yeah,
Speaker 2: he totally did.
Speaker 1: He like did not and then just lye into Ozzie's
Speaker 1: face and it's like, you don't have to lie, dude,
Speaker 1: Like play the game.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I did throw your name out there.
Speaker 3: I absolutely did, because we're trying to figure and I
Speaker 3: was trying to flush somebody else out.
Speaker 2: But just to just be like that never happened. It's
Speaker 2: like what never happened? Multiple times never.
Speaker 3: And all I think to myself is, you know eventually
Speaker 3: they're gonna watch, right like they're filming this right so.
Speaker 1: In the long run, even if it's good for your
Speaker 1: game right now, to lie, you're kind of looking like
Speaker 1: I'm not a great human in the end.
Speaker 3: Well. I remember one of the things that you know
Speaker 3: from the reality show World, one of the things that
Speaker 3: I heard, because I was a big Jersey Shore fan,
Speaker 3: was like Jersey Shore Season two, when they go to Miami,
Speaker 3: is considered one of the greatest seasons of any reality
Speaker 3: show ever. It's just amazing and one of the reasons
Speaker 3: is apparently they would sit the cast down and like
Speaker 3: show them all the stuff from the previous season and
Speaker 3: then go, now.
Speaker 2: We're starting again.
Speaker 1: So all the shit that was underhanded and behind, like
Speaker 1: he cheated on her, he did this and just lied
Speaker 1: about it. They're like watching that and then have to
Speaker 1: go into the new season. Crazy the stuff that that.
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, you're right, you caught me doing.
Speaker 3: So I'm sitting there watching going He's gonna watch the
Speaker 3: show and see that you just flat out lied to him.
Speaker 3: So yes, the dynamic's crazy.
Speaker 2: All right. We get to the auction.
Speaker 1: I was so stoked and terrified because I really, like
Speaker 1: I am, I'm not a person who could eat.
Speaker 2: I could gross stuff. I could eat anything. Oh good
Speaker 2: for you, I could eat anything. I wouldn't even think
Speaker 2: about it. I might not be able to keep it down,
Speaker 2: but I'll eat it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would love to like try, but like yeah,
Speaker 1: I said, when I went to Thailand when I was
Speaker 1: like nineteen, I was like, I'm going to try bugs
Speaker 1: of course, and then like I saw it sizzly on
Speaker 1: the street, you know, like pull on, like.
Speaker 2: Here it is, you can buy it.
Speaker 1: You got them deep no, not even crickets. Man, Like,
Speaker 1: it's just like I won't do the crickets, I won't
Speaker 1: do the big bug.
Speaker 2: I'm like, none of it. I'm just like, oh, do
Speaker 2: you think is it a is it a mental thing?
Speaker 1: Or is it a taxar thing or all of the
Speaker 1: above really, because like you eat eel, you love eel,
Speaker 1: which I find a little gross, so really like, yeah.
Speaker 2: I think if I saw that it was a eel,
Speaker 2: like when I see eel.
Speaker 1: And sushi, it looks just like you know, yeah, if
Speaker 1: I think if I saw the eel's head, if I
Speaker 1: see a fish head, I.
Speaker 2: Definitely lose my appetite.
Speaker 3: I'm kind of the same way like I would. I
Speaker 3: don't want my shrimp with the heads on like a shrimp.
Speaker 3: I wanted to look like any Hana shrimp.
Speaker 2: And the few.
Speaker 1: Times that I've like actually killed an animal and eaten it,
Speaker 1: you know, not so much with fish actually, but certainly
Speaker 1: with like turkey, which is really the only thing I've
Speaker 1: ever hunted and actually eaten it, like ruins, the actual
Speaker 1: experience of eating it, it doesn't taste good, Like I'm like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: it makes me uncomfortable.
Speaker 3: And I get it, and I know why it has
Speaker 3: to be done, and I'm so glad other people will
Speaker 3: do it because I'm too much. I just I'm the
Speaker 3: same way, Like that would be crying all through my venison,
Speaker 3: even knowing full well that the deer population needs to
Speaker 3: be thinned out.
Speaker 2: I couldn't sure do it.
Speaker 1: I sure and ethically, like it makes sense right when
Speaker 1: you're killed the thing, you eat it and we should
Speaker 1: be okay with it. But yeah, no, I mean this
Speaker 1: is why I became. I was raised the vegetarian. And
Speaker 1: then when I was fifteen sixteen, when we were doing boy,
Speaker 1: we dissect did a rabbit in my biology class, and
Speaker 1: I was so turned off that I was like, I
Speaker 1: can't do this. I shouldn't eat meat. So then I
Speaker 1: didn't eat meat for another ten years after that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then I had a salami sandwich. I met my wife,
Speaker 1: who is an incredible Puerto Rican Italian cook, yeah, who
Speaker 1: mostly makes meat like it's like for her, it's like
Speaker 1: it's not a meal unless it has a meat like
Speaker 1: a stable, like a staple meat dish.
Speaker 3: When you first met her, didn't she have a full
Speaker 3: bore on a spit that she had just hunted, Like, hey,
Speaker 3: nice to meet you on Malex, I.
Speaker 1: Mean her rice and beans, like her family's rice and beans,
Speaker 1: Like it's Puerto Rican rice and beans. It's made in
Speaker 1: bacon fat, you know, like that. It's like bacon is
Speaker 1: a part of it. It's like you can try that
Speaker 1: and yeah, oh it's so good.
Speaker 2: Try all right. Well, so we get to the auction.
Speaker 1: I was, yeah, like super excited because this is always
Speaker 1: a fun thing.
Speaker 2: But I have to say, none.
Speaker 1: Of the rules made sense to me now this whole
Speaker 1: and and this is my big criticism of this season
Speaker 1: is they keep introducing these like new ideas as if
Speaker 1: they make sense, Like tonight's a blood moon, which, as
Speaker 1: we all know, means three players get voted out in
Speaker 1: success like no, what you And in this case, he's
Speaker 1: just like chaos and what comfort? Comfort and chaos And
Speaker 1: you can just see as he's trying to explain it,
Speaker 1: everybody's just like tilting their heads going So.
Speaker 2: It's just chaos. It's good or bad.
Speaker 1: There's no way to play this, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: There's no there was no predictable because it was like
Speaker 1: you vote for a thing, maybe it's good, maybe it's
Speaker 1: a good thing plus a bad thing.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's a bad and it was like, I.
Speaker 3: Just say, it's literally Eric at the hotel, you can
Speaker 3: have this or a mystery bag, like it's like, what
Speaker 3: is this? I don't And then most of the things
Speaker 3: had no negative connotations attached to it at all.
Speaker 1: It was like there was there was no way you
Speaker 1: could listen to the way he explained the rules and
Speaker 1: then play it well. It just seemed like they were
Speaker 1: just making shit weird and confused scene and they should
Speaker 1: have just said, here's five hundred dollars, vote on stuff.
Speaker 1: Some of it's good, some of it's bad. Good luck,
Speaker 1: and that's it would have had the exact same result.
Speaker 1: So I didn't understand any of that, but whatever, you know,
Speaker 1: when they got to the two objects coming out, I
Speaker 1: guess is where there was something.
Speaker 2: I didn't see any strategy.
Speaker 1: I just saw you bet on something, took a chance,
Speaker 1: and then you either were eating grubs or you know whatever.
Speaker 3: Of all the all the dishes that came out, what's
Speaker 3: the one that you would have been like, that's that's
Speaker 3: what I need.
Speaker 2: I need that the fried.
Speaker 1: Chicken, I think because potatoes, Yeah, because I saw the
Speaker 1: first one that came out was French fries, right, French
Speaker 1: fries and onion rings.
Speaker 2: And I would be scared of that because like, I mean, look,
Speaker 2: that's what I.
Speaker 1: Want most, but after not eating like that kind of
Speaker 1: deep fried me, like, I don't would not trust my
Speaker 1: stomach to be able to handle that. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, if that's the case, then it's the two chicken
Speaker 3: breasts in the broccoli is what you want?
Speaker 2: Oh that's true.
Speaker 1: I forgot that was a quick shot that we saw
Speaker 1: that you did end up getting that, do you know, Rizzo?
Speaker 2: I think, wow, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: When I saw like the if you actually could vote
Speaker 1: and what you you know, what you saw, I would
Speaker 1: have gone for like something later, like the snack plate.
Speaker 2: I guess that thing that you're talking about.
Speaker 3: She even says. Emily even says, and she's one hundred
Speaker 3: percent right. She's like, this is gonna make me ship
Speaker 3: myself so badly.
Speaker 1: Well because she got the freaking milkshake. But anything dairy,
Speaker 1: I mean even the mac and cheese.
Speaker 3: It's like if you have nothing and then you go
Speaker 3: straight dairy, like when you have the glass of milk
Speaker 3: and the.
Speaker 1: Cookies, see things, no, no, so yeah, so fries comes
Speaker 1: out one hundred and sixty dollars Devon's Milkshit comes out
Speaker 1: one hundred bucks that Emily gets.
Speaker 2: I would have been disappointed in that.
Speaker 1: I love that the snack track comes out and Jonathan
Speaker 1: and Nause are the ones voting for it because they're
Speaker 1: like the two healthy guys. I was like, yeah, they know,
Speaker 1: they they're smart. Eighty bucks to Jonathan. And then we
Speaker 1: get our first unknown shared item with Aubrey, who bids
Speaker 1: two hundred and eighty dollars. Comes at this like a
Speaker 1: g I mean, unneievable how she handles this.
Speaker 2: I know, and I love.
Speaker 1: Risto is like a picky eater, and then Aubrey's just like,
Speaker 1: I'm a psychle let's do that.
Speaker 2: Yes, Jesus Christ, You're not small. These are not two
Speaker 2: little bugs either.
Speaker 1: This was like, dude, I would have lost my ship. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I think they were still alive.
Speaker 2: They were they were totally moving, one percent moving. I
Speaker 2: can't do that. I could not do that. You just
Speaker 2: you can't.
Speaker 3: You have to do it the way that you just
Speaker 3: thinking about it, jumping out imagine jumping off of an
Speaker 3: airplane or bungee jumping or anything where the longer you
Speaker 3: think about it, the worst is going to get.
Speaker 2: So just don't even think about it the way she did.
Speaker 3: He was like, She's like, go you have two minutes
Speaker 3: and they were down, like, don't think about it.
Speaker 2: Throw them in your mouth to them and then that's it.
Speaker 2: You've got to chew them and they're still hell no, no, no,
Speaker 2: I've seen grubs being eaten before.
Speaker 3: So anybody out there who's on a grub challenge of
Speaker 3: any kind, there is a secret I can give you
Speaker 3: from what I've seen.
Speaker 2: The first bite.
Speaker 3: You have to keep their head, part of their head
Speaker 3: and body out because when you bite, everything squirts.
Speaker 2: So you want it to squirt out of your mouth
Speaker 2: take it off, but I can't. I'm not. Oh my god,
Speaker 2: you I'm not putting my head bones back on until
Speaker 2: you now that you are not going to say, well,
Speaker 2: let me finish.
Speaker 3: So you bite either the head of the tail and
Speaker 3: it squirts out, and then the squirret doesn't go down
Speaker 3: your throat, it goes out.
Speaker 2: Now you can put your headphones back on. You're good.
Speaker 2: Swear to God. Swear to God.
Speaker 1: I want, seriously asked him, at okay, true, all right,
Speaker 1: get the cookies, and milk Riza just wins Jesus and
Speaker 1: saying he got the healthy yeah, okay, oh you know what,
Speaker 1: the grilled cheese.
Speaker 2: Grilled cheese, but again dairy.
Speaker 3: An empty stomach would not be good. But yeah, I
Speaker 3: mean I'd take the mac and cheese. That that was
Speaker 3: the thing that associate me the most, but o god,
Speaker 3: it would be awful.
Speaker 2: Rigat's a blanket for one hundred and eighty bucks.
Speaker 1: That was the only thing that wasn't food, right, and
Speaker 1: just that one blanket that was I wonder I'm because.
Speaker 2: There because if as as far as I.
Speaker 1: Could tell, Joe didn't get anything, oh, toothbrush and toothpaste,
Speaker 1: that's right, which but like we didn't see Joe get anything,
Speaker 1: and he didn't comment on it. Nobody commented on not
Speaker 1: getting anything. So I wonder if they just didn't show
Speaker 1: us all that they like that there were more things
Speaker 1: then we just didn't see it all.
Speaker 3: I don't know, or it's one of those things where
Speaker 3: he said, because the deal was, here's five hundred dollars.
Speaker 3: Any money you don't spend you can keep, and he
Speaker 3: might be like, anything I eat is coming right back up.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna do that.
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna stay hungry and keep five hundred bucks,
Speaker 3: which is also possible.
Speaker 2: Who cares about five hundred bucks at that point, though, Man.
Speaker 3: I think, dude, that's true, and it's also somebody handing
Speaker 3: you five hundred bucks. But you never you never know,
Speaker 3: you know, cause again it's like one of those things
Speaker 3: where have you ever had those moments where you're so
Speaker 3: exhausted that you know if you take a fifteen minute nap,
Speaker 3: it's actually going to make it make it worse. So
Speaker 3: eating something quick and shoveling it down might actually be
Speaker 3: worse than just I'm going to stay and have some
Speaker 3: rice when I get back to camp, like I never know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, So then we get this covered chaos
Speaker 1: comfort thing, which they then call a fall on the
Speaker 1: Sword challenge, as if any of this means anything, you
Speaker 1: know what it is. It's like Calvin Ball. Do you
Speaker 1: remember in Calvin and Hobson they would just play Calvin Ball.
Speaker 1: You're just making up the rules while throwing each other out.
Speaker 1: That's what this felt like. It was like the Calvin
Speaker 1: Ball action.
Speaker 2: Ball, Like whatever, why he keeps.
Speaker 1: Acting like Jeff is like, well, now we're going to
Speaker 1: do this and this means this, I'm like no, it doesn't.
Speaker 1: Just just make him go eat weird shit. I agree,
Speaker 1: the sea slug comes out. I don't know what this is.
Speaker 1: I don't want to think about it anymore. But he
Speaker 1: choose it down.
Speaker 2: Okay, could you not do that? Could now?
Speaker 1: What if?
Speaker 2: What if it was? I would have to try?
Speaker 3: Yeah that you're like they do it here where it's
Speaker 3: like if you finish it, the other person gets to eat.
Speaker 2: It's a selfless ass.
Speaker 1: Well, so here's the thing that's actually my question, because
Speaker 1: then Ozzie said, I'm pretty sure he says, dude, I'll
Speaker 1: share this with you.
Speaker 2: No, he said, I'll give you some money.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, because he's not allowed to give a chicken. No,
Speaker 1: but what he said is he'll give him some cash.
Speaker 1: Because when I heard him say that, I was like, buddy,
Speaker 1: like that you that's against the whole point.
Speaker 2: No, it's he was going to give him some money
Speaker 2: for him. Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. Okay cool.
Speaker 1: A charcoterie play goes to Suri for two naighty bucks.
Speaker 1: She throws up ye boot and rally. Aubrey iss the
Speaker 1: mac and cheese, which makes her cry because it reminds
Speaker 1: her of home. Yeah, and this was very touching, talking
Speaker 1: about the power of mac and cheese and yeah, I
Speaker 1: think this is where the pathos starts to really come
Speaker 1: into the show man. It's like it's intense, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: they missed their home, they're yeah, and then the biggest
Speaker 1: item comes out, which they all again, there's like this
Speaker 1: this option that I think, why would anybody not take it?
Speaker 2: Which is twenty books.
Speaker 3: But he said it could either be the best thing
Speaker 3: that everybody's going to get or it's the worst thing that.
Speaker 2: Ever but for twenty bucks, they're going to take that chance.
Speaker 3: And this I gathered this is a thing that happens
Speaker 3: on Survivor because it's some letters.
Speaker 2: I knew it. So the letters are obviously a reoccurring thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think I've told you, Like I
Speaker 1: the best is when they actually bring family members, but
Speaker 1: I guess they're not going to do that this season
Speaker 1: because they got the letters.
Speaker 2: It's usually kind of an either.
Speaker 3: Or Yeah, they do it on a loan. Remember, it's like,
Speaker 3: you know you win because they come.
Speaker 2: Out because they show up with medical will.
Speaker 3: Come out and then you turn around like your wife's
Speaker 3: there a hundred oh my gos or something like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, most crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so they get their their letters from home
Speaker 1: which immediately makes everybody sad and emotional, and then.
Speaker 2: We gotta have an equal dose of chaos. Why who knows?
Speaker 1: And mister Beast gets introed. So what what's your knowledge
Speaker 1: of mister beast?
Speaker 2: Will I've heard the name? That's it? Huh, that's it? Okay.
Speaker 2: I know that he does a lot of good.
Speaker 3: Like I've heard he went to Africa and Bill Wells
Speaker 3: and like I've heard he does an awful lot of good.
Speaker 3: I also know because I googled it last night. He's
Speaker 3: a literal billionaire.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So he's like the most successful YouTuber of all time
Speaker 1: and he's built up this you know, empire. What did
Speaker 1: he do? What was like his first YouTube video? What
Speaker 1: was the shtick it was? It was it started off
Speaker 1: pretty simple, but it was always like it was always
Speaker 1: built around giving away money or giving away opportunities.
Speaker 2: Oh great, so yeah, like you know.
Speaker 3: Oh, was he the guy that was like would just
Speaker 3: go places and be like here's five thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's always about that, or like I think one
Speaker 1: of his earlier stunts was like get call an uber,
Speaker 1: get in it and be like I will pay you
Speaker 1: the full sum plus some if you drive me across
Speaker 1: the country over the next four days, and like would
Speaker 1: video it. So it's like him doing a YouTube video
Speaker 1: where he had a driver go across the country you know,
Speaker 1: or what you know, and then he would take the
Speaker 1: winning like he would whatever he would make from his
Speaker 1: YouTube channel he would immediately give away. And then he
Speaker 1: started doing things like, you know, providing surgery for people
Speaker 1: that have like ice like disabilities or whatever.
Speaker 2: So this is a dude that walks with the angels.
Speaker 2: This is a this is a good guse.
Speaker 1: That's a very interesting thing. I find it a little
Speaker 1: off put in. I have to say, really, yeah, because
Speaker 1: I've watched because Indy really loves him because he is
Speaker 1: a child and children, I love this guy and he
Speaker 1: is the biggest celebrity for everybody under the age of thirty.
Speaker 2: It's like they're, yeah, he's like their hero.
Speaker 1: And I find it a little weird because the way
Speaker 1: his games work. He has something called Beast Games, which
Speaker 1: I've heard of too. Yeah, I've heard of it any
Speaker 1: and it's it's you'd probably really enjoy. It's pretty excited.
Speaker 1: It's basically squid games, but without dying. You know, it's
Speaker 1: like really her he flew like thousands of people to
Speaker 1: an island. I think there might be only one season
Speaker 1: thousands of people to an island, and then does like
Speaker 1: really big crazy challenges. But to me, the challenges usually
Speaker 1: come down to do you take money and be selfish
Speaker 1: or do you help your fellow contestants? Like that's mostly
Speaker 1: what his setups like his he does these big things
Speaker 1: like two people living in a bunker, but we're going
Speaker 1: to secretly offer one of them ten thousand dollars to
Speaker 1: get out and screw the other person out of the
Speaker 1: chance to win a million.
Speaker 2: You know. It's like that kind of thing, which is fine.
Speaker 2: It's all like it makes.
Speaker 1: For entertaining, like right, uh, you know, moral choices. But
Speaker 1: I guess for me, it's weird that the bottom line
Speaker 1: is always money. There's no like other option, there's no
Speaker 1: like other value. There's it's always just are you willing
Speaker 1: to like do you want money or not? And it's
Speaker 1: just like it's not really his fault, it's more like culturally,
Speaker 1: I find it. I find it sad that we're just
Speaker 1: at a place where that is the only value that
Speaker 1: we really celebrate anymore, you know, And I think that, no.
Speaker 2: That's not true. We also celebrate celebrity.
Speaker 1: Exactly true, right, Cet and Wealth will put man good point,
Speaker 1: and I think that, like, maybe that's why even in
Speaker 1: this episode of Survivor, I get choked up and I
Speaker 1: get into it is because I feel like you start
Speaker 1: hearing them talk about things like almost as if winning
Speaker 1: the million dollars now two million dollars, almost like it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter that much, Like that's not the point. And
Speaker 1: I appreciate that, you know, and I think that that's
Speaker 1: something that I don't see in mister b stuff effort.
Speaker 1: It's like literally just like, you know, let me offer
Speaker 1: you a bunch of money because I can, and he
Speaker 1: has it, and because you know, no matter what he's offering,
Speaker 1: he's clearly making enough to make that totally fine for
Speaker 1: him because YouTube endorsements and his deals are so good.
Speaker 2: Literal villainaire. Yes, I think it's a two point six billion.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah, But yes, in general, I do
Speaker 1: think he does a lot of good, and he turns
Speaker 1: it around to like helping people and kids love them,
Speaker 1: kids love them.
Speaker 3: I guess I would look at it like if if
Speaker 3: he didn't set the trend, he's seeing the trend meaning
Speaker 3: money and giving it away and kind of making it
Speaker 3: a game show. So if he's doing what's already out
Speaker 3: there but using his platform for good, right, then I
Speaker 3: can see how criticized. Yeah, go do your thing, because
Speaker 3: I didn I read an article where he had built
Speaker 3: like all these and people had a problem with it,
Speaker 3: like why did mister beasts go in and help people
Speaker 3: in Africa?
Speaker 1: Like really, well, yeah, no care, no he should. I'm
Speaker 1: totally all about that. But he's also you know, he's
Speaker 1: also selling beasts. I forget what they're called beast bites. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he has like he has brands where he's made, you know,
Speaker 1: like he's making tons of.
Speaker 3: At the Supremery store and I just saw that there
Speaker 3: was there a.
Speaker 2: Jerky he was selling, Like he has tower.
Speaker 1: Bars or like candy bars, and it's like, so he's
Speaker 1: he's doing it all. I also just find it interesting
Speaker 1: how kind of bland he is as a person.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's just kind of like he just an he
Speaker 2: was like, hey, how does everybody do?
Speaker 3: I also had to google because either they're wrong with
Speaker 3: how tall he is or they're wrong with how short
Speaker 3: Jeff is.
Speaker 2: Oh really, because he's towering over Jeff.
Speaker 3: Towering And it says that he's six' one and Jeff
Speaker 3: is five ten, and I was like, huh, they're eight
Speaker 3: inches apart, so somebody is lying or both of them
Speaker 3: are lying, because.
Speaker 2: It's probably it's probably Jeff. That's what I'm thinking too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, I mean it was just so interesting
Speaker 1: to see him walk in and be a part of
Speaker 1: the like really devoid of personality, like even in his clothing.
Speaker 2: You know, it's he's just kind of like a dude.
Speaker 1: Which is I think part of the like YouTube appeal
Speaker 1: and and part of the influencer thing is that you're
Speaker 1: not really like a host. You're more just kind of
Speaker 1: like an avatar for the viewer, which is just a
Speaker 1: different vibe. It's like it's it's a generational divibe that
Speaker 1: I find interesting.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: It's like because most of his videos are not like
Speaker 1: driven by even when he's doing good things or set
Speaker 1: up these crazies, he doesn't really have an opinion about it.
Speaker 2: Does that make sense?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Because Jeff comes in, he's like has an opinion
Speaker 1: about survivor and why we're doing this, and you don't
Speaker 1: get that.
Speaker 2: From mister Jeff a host.
Speaker 3: It's a whole different but it's also a different talent.
Speaker 3: There's some people that you're going to be great on
Speaker 3: YouTube you're not an actor. Yes, you're gonna be great
Speaker 3: on YouTube, you're not a host. So he's now hosting things,
Speaker 3: which is a complete I mean, we look at our
Speaker 3: our best die Danielle.
Speaker 2: Danielle is a really good consummate host.
Speaker 3: She knows how to do that and no matter what
Speaker 3: you throw her in, she can host it. And so
Speaker 3: that's just a skill and a talent.
Speaker 1: The vibe for all the Beast vide if you watch them,
Speaker 1: are him and four other four to like ten other dudes,
Speaker 1: like an entourage with bigger personalities around him going.
Speaker 2: Oh dude, bro, oh my god, I can't believe you
Speaker 2: hate that. It's like that vibe. It's got nine mhons
Speaker 2: around you exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just like the like it's that influencer. It's
Speaker 1: you know, kind of Jackassie. You know, it's not that extreme,
Speaker 1: but that sense of like, oh my god, like it's
Speaker 1: just kind of there's always an audience and they're all
Speaker 1: just kind of talking it out. No one's like hosting
Speaker 1: and being like over here, we're gonna do it.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, Yes, it's it's a whole different but
Speaker 2: it really.
Speaker 1: Speaks to kids differently than you know, Like I watching
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't get it India, and he loves it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I've never seen it.
Speaker 3: To me, YouTube is for watching music videos and listening
Speaker 3: to all your music because I don't know how to
Speaker 3: work Spotify.
Speaker 2: So then he brings out this wooden suitcase. Is this
Speaker 2: a thing that happens on his show? I don't know
Speaker 2: what it is. I'm I didn't know about the suitcase thing.
Speaker 1: No, I mean usually he shows the money, like a
Speaker 1: lot of times he'll have like a pile of like
Speaker 1: you literally have a pile of cash, and he's like,
Speaker 1: if you don't get through this thing, it's gonna blow
Speaker 1: up there.
Speaker 2: We're gonna light it on fire.
Speaker 1: And who knows if it's actually a pilot, but that's
Speaker 1: like he does stunts with like big piles of cash.
Speaker 2: So I don't know. Maybe he does a briefcase or
Speaker 2: has done briefcases.
Speaker 1: Before, but oh yes, Actually I think he does a
Speaker 1: thing where they where people he's done.
Speaker 2: I think it's him that's done.
Speaker 1: The thing where people like walk into a room and
Speaker 1: they have suitcases briefcases and they don't know what's inn
Speaker 1: each other's so that to like write down notes and
Speaker 1: like take chances and bluff one another, like I have
Speaker 1: a million dollars in my suitcase or so maybe it's
Speaker 1: a thing.
Speaker 3: Either way, it seemed like they were just adding words
Speaker 3: where he's like this, he brought in the yellow triangle
Speaker 3: of morbidity.
Speaker 2: That's what it was. And then they turn it around beware,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, and then.
Speaker 1: He walks, so tonight something's gonna happen, and that's it.
Speaker 1: I found it very anti climactic. But then they got
Speaker 1: swept off immediately to a challenge, which everyone was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: the hits keep coming. We get to the set, it's
Speaker 1: these weird catapult things. I didn't know what was going
Speaker 1: I thought it.
Speaker 2: Was going to be I thought the same thing.
Speaker 3: I thought they're going to be shooting something like into
Speaker 3: the ocean at targets or something like that.
Speaker 2: It turns out to be wasteimpler than that.
Speaker 1: They just stand on it with a bow and a
Speaker 1: ball that they have to balance, which at first I
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, this seems like an equalizer, you know this,
Speaker 1: this could.
Speaker 2: Be anybody's game. Turns out it wasn't It was.
Speaker 1: Still kind of the physical people that that my crush
Speaker 1: totally changed because Steph was out in seconds Yep, just
Speaker 1: like flailed, which was so interesting. Massive crush on Tiff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Tiff is a she is a bad ass, a piece
Speaker 1: I love. People are like, see has she has the
Speaker 1: ball even moved? Yet?
Speaker 2: Like, has the ball even moved?
Speaker 1: She have a theory? I have a theory too when
Speaker 1: we get there. Okay, okay, so yeah, so Steph was
Speaker 1: just out, which I was shocked considering two seconds how
Speaker 1: good she had done with arm thing and she's so fit.
Speaker 2: I was like, what happened?
Speaker 1: Then?
Speaker 2: Rizzo super bouncy And so.
Speaker 1: At this point I started getting this feeling that what
Speaker 1: was like, my take on this game is that it
Speaker 1: actually reflects. It becomes a perfect analogy for how people
Speaker 1: are playing the game socially, Like, did you realize that
Speaker 1: like the people that are like a little like more
Speaker 1: erratic and all over the place, we're out the people
Speaker 1: that are a little more like steadfast. I've got my
Speaker 1: plan and I'm sticking with it. It lasted longer, and
Speaker 1: so I was like, oh, it's like it reflected their personality.
Speaker 2: It's a sort of like a steady thing. But also
Speaker 2: my big thing was Tiff was the only one with
Speaker 2: her hands downward facing? Did you notice that everybody else did?
Speaker 2: And I was like, wow, that's interesting. I think that
Speaker 2: actually probably is.
Speaker 1: A physical advantage because if you think about it, it
Speaker 1: makes more sense to have more control this way right
Speaker 1: with your hands up, But more control is actually not
Speaker 1: what you want. I think you want more steadiness, and
Speaker 1: if you think about it, naturally your hands just press
Speaker 1: it down. So I think the result is that you're
Speaker 1: not straining as much. You're just kind of a little
Speaker 1: more calm.
Speaker 2: What about one up one down? Maybe that I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know, but you're right because he's the only
Speaker 3: one who did, the only one who had them things
Speaker 3: not but did not budge.
Speaker 1: And I think, yeah, I think if you were going up,
Speaker 1: you actually have more strength that way.
Speaker 2: But you don't need more strength in this game. You
Speaker 2: just need more steadiness.
Speaker 1: So I think going down was just sort of a
Speaker 1: more relaxed body position, and so it wasn't as much
Speaker 1: of a like, you know, a balanced struggle.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Super interesting. So yeah, it comes down to her
Speaker 2: and Ausy.
Speaker 1: I will say, there's this editing moment where you see
Speaker 1: sweat like dripping down Ozzie's face and then it immediately
Speaker 1: cuts a tiff, and I thought full snot was coming
Speaker 1: out of her nose because she has the nose piercing.
Speaker 1: Oh that's right, but because of it gone from like
Speaker 1: liquid on his face to her, I.
Speaker 2: Was like, oh my god, oh god, swipe your nose, lady.
Speaker 2: Wish those those septum piercings usually don't work for me,
Speaker 2: but I think she pulls it off perfectly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have a big crush on her, but I
Speaker 3: don't get I don't get nose piercings on anybody.
Speaker 2: Yeah, anybody, even like the side ones.
Speaker 3: Nope, Nope, of all the places to draw attention to,
Speaker 3: why the nose, I don't get it.
Speaker 1: I think they're some people who really pull it off.
Speaker 1: I agree, and I used to agree, but now I'm like, no.
Speaker 2: No, not a nosering guy. I don't get it. The sceptum,
Speaker 2: I'm usually like no, but for her, it's like the
Speaker 2: big giant ear lobe things.
Speaker 1: Well though, it was just make me when people start
Speaker 1: like gauging up to like stretch out their ears.
Speaker 2: Now I just get uncomfortable. I'm like doesn't that hurt?
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I know it probably looked to me. I
Speaker 3: know I get the tribal significance of them. I completely
Speaker 3: understand that. Don't don't get it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, tiff wins falls apart crying. Turns out she crushes it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but also just because she was voted out day nineteen
Speaker 1: last season, so there she is, or the season that
Speaker 1: she was on, so she feels really good. And that
Speaker 1: is just the beginning of the tears, because then we
Speaker 1: go back to camp where everyone gets their letters and
Speaker 1: just balls their eyes out, and Sari.
Speaker 2: Gets the first letter ever from her father, which was
Speaker 2: so sweet that crazy.
Speaker 3: I would hope, by the way, when you go on Survivor,
Speaker 3: you'd want the letter from me, Not Indie, not Alex,
Speaker 3: but me, the one who writes you the letter.
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 2: Of course, you're not a big letter writer, are you.
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: Yeah, see I'm not at all. But that's why i'd write.
Speaker 3: I would write it to you, but just to really
Speaker 3: freak you out, I would use cut out pieces from
Speaker 3: magazines like a ransome note.
Speaker 1: We have writer. I'm writing this from within your house, keeping.
Speaker 3: An eye on insane fifty thousand grubs. By the end
Speaker 3: of survivor.
Speaker 2: Oh stop, all right.
Speaker 1: As the day goes on, everyone starts complicating the easy
Speaker 1: vote of Devon's of course, which makes Stevens play style
Speaker 1: maybe the genius move. So then Jonathan starts saying Ozzie,
Speaker 1: which he later denies, but he clearly turns on Ausy.
Speaker 2: Clearly starts the whole you're right.
Speaker 1: So Jonathan turns to Stephanie and says Ozzie's dropping her name, which.
Speaker 2: He admits in his you know talking head.
Speaker 1: Talking head is like, oh, I was a Jadger in
Speaker 1: a bit You're full online, yes, and really, you know,
Speaker 1: this is on Steph. She shouldn't fall for that, Like
Speaker 1: why is she trusting Jonathan over Aussie Because Ozzie's is
Speaker 1: a pretty straightforward player and has been very upfront with
Speaker 1: everybody that he's voted against and who's voted against him.
Speaker 2: So it's on Steph.
Speaker 1: At this point, there's this scene where Devons and Emily
Speaker 1: are laughing about how unhinge they are on the Psychopath
Speaker 1: and they're like, we should be allowed to play this game,
Speaker 1: certainly not together, And then I was just like they're
Speaker 1: laughing maniacally. It was like all they're just short of
Speaker 1: like twirling their mustache.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I have strapped the girl to the
Speaker 2: train tracks in this action with their heads. Jesus, guys,
Speaker 2: you're characters.
Speaker 1: But yeah, maybe everyone's just yeah, now they're getting a
Speaker 1: sugar high from the food that they have.
Speaker 2: Yes, they're losing it just a little bit, all right.
Speaker 1: So then Joe goes and tells Sirie about the vote
Speaker 1: for Ozzie, which I'm like, why, okay, why are you
Speaker 1: doing this? And then Steph has to lie to Syria
Speaker 1: and say, oh no, no, we are not planning Aussie
Speaker 1: and she's all shifty, which Suri just sees right through.
Speaker 2: Everybody tells everybody everything I.
Speaker 1: Know, because then tells Jonathan about Steph, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: you idiot, like how they've lost all sense of who's
Speaker 1: actually connected to who yep, which I guess is just
Speaker 1: maybe because they're such a small crew now they're just down.
Speaker 2: They've just lost track. I don't know, it's yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I don't even know who the alliances are.
Speaker 3: I know, I know Sirie's gonna win, that's all.
Speaker 1: By the end of this yeah, by the end of
Speaker 1: this afternoon, it just seems cast like, I mean, it
Speaker 1: even just gets to the point where Jonathan is literally
Speaker 1: saying the wrong name, and like whoever he's saying it too, is.
Speaker 2: Like okay, and then it's like no, no, no, I mean Stephanie.
Speaker 3: You're like Jesus, thank god they put that in there
Speaker 3: right now, just like we're voting Emily.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, Stephanie. They can't even keep itself bad.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so by the time we get to tribal,
Speaker 1: no clue what's going on, and you know, they really,
Speaker 1: Jeff truly tries.
Speaker 2: To make it that it's about the mister Beast factor,
Speaker 2: which I guess is kind of true. But I don't know, man,
Speaker 2: I don't think it was. I think so. I honestly
Speaker 2: think it was.
Speaker 3: It was chaos anyway, but they were trying to keep
Speaker 3: mister Beast involved. So with him even going look what
Speaker 3: happens when we even mentioned his name. No, I don't
Speaker 3: think they were thinking about him at.
Speaker 2: All either, totally no, because what could you plan. I
Speaker 2: felt the same way.
Speaker 1: There's like a beware, Yeah, that's all they know. So
Speaker 1: there's no again, it's Calvin ball. So they're just like,
Speaker 1: we're playing Calvin Ball. We're just gonna have to plan our.
Speaker 3: Vote and whatever happens, and then we have to see
Speaker 3: what the hell is going to happen with the Magical
Speaker 3: Case of Mystery, which is apparently a thing.
Speaker 1: So I think due to the editing, we aren't sure
Speaker 1: how they were going in. Do you have any idea
Speaker 1: how they were going in?
Speaker 3: No, I frankly thought, meaning what by the time we
Speaker 3: got to try beforefore.
Speaker 1: Devons blew up the game, which is what he does
Speaker 1: and which I think seals the deal for everybody. I
Speaker 1: don't have a clue, and I think they intentionally make
Speaker 1: it through editing that we don't have a clue.
Speaker 3: I think Devon's would have been the low hanging fruit,
Speaker 3: but at the same time they talked about how maybe
Speaker 3: that's that's not the swipe you take, that he's a
Speaker 3: good the good smoke screen, So I don't know. I
Speaker 3: would say it wouldn't have been anybody that that's Team SII,
Speaker 3: So Rizzo wouldn't have gone, Surrey wouldn't have gone, Ozzie
Speaker 3: wouldn't have gone.
Speaker 1: I think I think they were potentially still trying to
Speaker 1: flush Ozzie's idol and make him play it. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: then they were going to split the votes between like
Speaker 1: Devon's and Aubrey or something weird.
Speaker 2: I still don't get splitting votes.
Speaker 1: Well, it's because if somebody plays an idol, right, Like
Speaker 1: you tell right, because if if it turns out that
Speaker 1: Aubrey plays her idol, then all those votes for her
Speaker 1: don't count.
Speaker 2: And whoever it's the next person in, right, So you if.
Speaker 1: You feel that you have the majority, you want to
Speaker 1: cover your basis by like voting for that person but
Speaker 1: having them also the second most votes. So I think
Speaker 1: they were going to try if everyone had Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I can't speculate because we don't actually know. What does
Speaker 1: happen is that Devin just blows up everyone's game with
Speaker 1: just the truth, with just the truth.
Speaker 2: And I think it's a brilliant move, genius.
Speaker 1: It's only move, it's his only move, and I think
Speaker 1: it benefits everybody actually, Like I could you know besides
Speaker 1: Stephanie and Jonathan, they're the ones who kind of look
Speaker 1: bad based on but it's also it is kind of
Speaker 1: on them, like they're the ones who did the biggest move,
Speaker 1: which was try and you know, turn everybody on Aussie
Speaker 1: and lead the pack that way, and then they don't
Speaker 1: really own up to it.
Speaker 2: In this moment, and I think it.
Speaker 1: Looks bad, and I think Stephanie panics and just like
Speaker 1: Devin says, protests too much.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 3: And she also said something even Rizzit, where she's like,
Speaker 3: I would never throw out anybody's name in Rizzles, like
Speaker 3: that's the game, Yes, you throw out people, and she's like, no,
Speaker 3: I meant first.
Speaker 2: I meant first, And by that point she was I
Speaker 2: think she had sunker ship. Yeah.
Speaker 1: At that point, I think yeah, because like you know,
Speaker 1: because Siria is just laughing, you know, and I think that.
Speaker 2: That her reaction is just so.
Speaker 1: Much better, Like they could have all just been like
Speaker 1: if if Steph and Jonathan had been like, oh my god.
Speaker 2: Well Devin's just blew up our game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we had thought about that, but things change and
Speaker 1: we came in with a different plan. And I did
Speaker 1: communicate that plan to you. Everyone would have been like, Okay, weird,
Speaker 1: it's anybody's game. But because they were so defensive and.
Speaker 2: So like, no, man, I didn't do that, It's like
Speaker 2: screw that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I felt I felt exactly the same way.
Speaker 2: The whole thing was weird.
Speaker 3: And yeah, I think she she did. I think she
Speaker 3: completely and totally sunk kership right then and there.
Speaker 2: I think that was it.
Speaker 1: So mister Beaeste comes out. Chaos has ensued, everyone's been whispering.
Speaker 1: He walks in, reveals it's a coin. What does this mean? Well,
Speaker 1: turns out flipping this coin.
Speaker 3: The coin of happy mutiny. Beware Comma, Beware, beware sunlight streamings,
Speaker 3: falling the sword, Yes, falling, cozy ins chaos, chaos theory.
Speaker 2: You know that whole advantage steal a vote.
Speaker 1: Uh, it's a coin. I love always describing what's on
Speaker 1: it as if.
Speaker 2: It like has a real meeting like and then has
Speaker 2: his B symbol and.
Speaker 1: Then on the back it stands for survivor, but not tribal,
Speaker 1: because it's ironically a fire that we're going to put our.
Speaker 2: Gonna put out.
Speaker 3: And yeah, did you also notice that they are clearly
Speaker 3: listening to our podcast because they've turned down the music.
Speaker 2: Are you serious?
Speaker 3: Oh, they've absolutely turned down the music. Somebody went like,
Speaker 3: just crank it down a little bit. Maybe they're right,
Speaker 3: just cranked down a little bit.
Speaker 1: So we are clearly effect sense that audio engineers would
Speaker 1: be listening to a podcast about the show.
Speaker 2: But I was like, where's the huha? Where's what what's
Speaker 2: going on? Very low? Yeah, very low in this one.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 1: So it turns out if you flip, if somebody is
Speaker 1: willing to flip this coin, you'll get two million.
Speaker 2: The prize will go up to two million dollars, which
Speaker 2: is really huge, huge.
Speaker 1: And that person is safe and they get an amusing
Speaker 1: and they get an idol. I mean, my god, that's
Speaker 1: that's enormous.
Speaker 3: I know, I figured most people would want to flip
Speaker 3: the coin. Me too, I would size that everyone was like,
Speaker 3: I don't want.
Speaker 2: To do it.
Speaker 1: Well, I think they all just knew that Devon's was
Speaker 1: like had nothing to lose, you know, or that he
Speaker 1: would do it, So I think they felt safe.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But Jeff even says, I mean they clearly set it
Speaker 3: up to where this is going to be a fight
Speaker 3: to where who is going to flip the coins and
Speaker 3: if it comes down to it, we're going to have
Speaker 3: to draw. So they never He's like, we didn't expect
Speaker 3: somebody to go, I'll do it. It never would go okay.
Speaker 2: See they've done this multiple times this season.
Speaker 1: I think they just, you know, because they the same
Speaker 1: thing with like at when Jeff was like, well you
Speaker 1: want the Rice, you got to beat me.
Speaker 2: It's like, well, no shit, we're going to do that.
Speaker 1: Like there's no there's no alternative that you know, So
Speaker 1: they haven't really set the stakes correctly for this season. Yeah, interesting,
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, because like if you flip it and
Speaker 1: you lose, there's no increase and you go home. But exactly,
Speaker 1: like Devon's pointed out, that's better than a shot in
Speaker 1: the dark, right, A shot in the dark is a
Speaker 1: one one fifty fifty and everybody's gonna love me and
Speaker 1: gone and protected for two Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, or I'm gone anyway. I literally have nothing to
Speaker 3: lose and everything to gain from everything.
Speaker 1: That's why I like Aubrey considers it for a moment,
Speaker 1: and I was like, yes, she could probably do it too.
Speaker 1: And for a second I thought maybe the rule was
Speaker 1: that if like that, one person does it, another person
Speaker 1: could flip it too, but it wasn't. But I was like,
Speaker 1: why is she you know, if she considers it, are
Speaker 1: they going to let her do it?
Speaker 2: After? Devons like, I don't know, I didn't, you know,
Speaker 2: That's the thing. All the rules are just little they
Speaker 2: are they're a little hinky.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Anyway, Devon's volunteers to flip. The coin was.
Speaker 3: Not flipped, So if they were going to draw rocks,
Speaker 3: then not flipping the coin was not an option, got.
Speaker 1: Right, And I think they just assumed everyone was going
Speaker 1: to take play it safe, which doesn't really make sense.
Speaker 2: No, I think it was too good of a thing
Speaker 2: to just get. That's too much of a win. Yes,
Speaker 2: So really what they should have done is.
Speaker 1: Just made it your prize to a million and you're
Speaker 1: safe for that night and you don't get an extra idol,
Speaker 1: because I mean that's like you basically committed to staying
Speaker 1: in two more days by winning and two million dollars
Speaker 1: in the to.
Speaker 3: You also could have made the bad really bad where
Speaker 3: it's like but but if you lose, you go home,
Speaker 3: and so does someone.
Speaker 2: Else, right, another person and it's like yeesh, or or.
Speaker 3: We take somebody's idol away, like something else bad happens.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it was Devon's really had nothing to lose.
Speaker 2: He was on the bottom. He knew there was a
Speaker 2: real good chance he was going home. Why not He's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: why not? Why wouldn't I do this?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: And then like they talk about mister Bees being a genius,
Speaker 1: and I was like you're just a rich dude who
Speaker 1: showed up with the suit.
Speaker 3: And you wonder if he created this or Survivor created this.
Speaker 3: And then they were like, you know, yeah, I think
Speaker 3: they I don't know.
Speaker 1: He's clearly a fan. It's his money, they said, like
Speaker 1: his money. He was putting up a million dollars.
Speaker 2: And that's significant.
Speaker 3: Man, going from a million bucks to two that's that
Speaker 3: is a significant jump.
Speaker 2: And I'm so curious, like what the play is on
Speaker 2: his part?
Speaker 1: Is he just like got to get the olds, the
Speaker 1: people who watch Survivor because he's got enough money and
Speaker 1: enough of a following.
Speaker 2: He doesn't need an appearance on CBS. That's the thing.
Speaker 3: Though, he had such few money that it might just
Speaker 3: literally be like I love Survivor and.
Speaker 2: I want to I just want to be there, man,
Speaker 2: Just all right.
Speaker 1: Devn's calls it heads heads it is and with a
Speaker 1: perfect rolling on its side. I don't know which way
Speaker 1: it's gonna fall. You could not have scripted it anybody.
Speaker 2: I was like cheering, Yeah, this is good television. Thousand.
Speaker 2: I love when mister piece is like I gotta sit,
Speaker 2: I gotta sit. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But then we spend like ten minutes talking about how
Speaker 1: historic this is. And I was like, yeah, I get it,
Speaker 1: I get it. It's a big deal. It's cool.
Speaker 2: Let's move on. Yeah, they're stroking Survivor a little bit,
Speaker 2: that's what they do.
Speaker 1: And then we get a live tribal like I've never
Speaker 1: seen before. They're literally just strategizing and walking back and
Speaker 1: forth and everyone's making their plans.
Speaker 2: Can we just call it a live bull? Why does
Speaker 2: nobody do it? A livel A live bull?
Speaker 1: The live tribal all right, before they go to vote,
Speaker 1: stefinitely plays her steal a vote. She's gonna steal Devon's vote,
Speaker 1: which makes sense considering he's already safe and not voting,
Speaker 1: and she votes twice for Aubrey, which turns out to
Speaker 1: be the only non Stephanie votes.
Speaker 2: It was unanimous. Yeah, I was intense. That's that's I mean.
Speaker 3: I'm not surprised that she went with the way she
Speaker 3: played it tonight and the way she kind of got
Speaker 3: thrown under the bus too by Jonathan, But I am
Speaker 3: surprised that it was unanimous, not a single person for
Speaker 3: anybody else.
Speaker 2: Amazing.
Speaker 3: I thought Aubrey might get a voter to or even
Speaker 3: Jonathan after what he did, might get a voter to.
Speaker 1: Or just splitting it with devons like they had talked about.
Speaker 1: Or no, no, no he can't.
Speaker 3: But maybe somebody like a Rizzo or an Assis, somebody
Speaker 3: getting another vote.
Speaker 2: But no, couldn't do it.
Speaker 3: I guess for Jonathan to save himself. He couldn't have
Speaker 3: voted for Frozzy right to make it look like I
Speaker 3: never said that, dude, and I would never put your
Speaker 3: name down.
Speaker 1: It's like you, you brought that up, Broll.
Speaker 2: It's going to be so interesting to see how next
Speaker 2: week goes.
Speaker 3: Oh, I know, he kind of I feel a little
Speaker 3: bit different now wearing the pants because I feel like
Speaker 3: like these these pants are a little bit they're kind
Speaker 3: of intent lies.
Speaker 2: They're patches of lives right now a little bit. So yeah,
Speaker 2: we'll see. All Right, you got a survivor for me
Speaker 2: this week? I sure do, cause it's will history of survivor.
Speaker 2: I think, Wow, I don't know what kind of song
Speaker 2: that was neither.
Speaker 3: Frankly, I write them at night, and this time when
Speaker 3: I did it, originally I had a whole backup orchestra.
Speaker 2: It sounded very different.
Speaker 3: Tonight we're going to talk about Jose Salvador Alvarengam is
Speaker 3: who we're going to talk about.
Speaker 2: My friend.
Speaker 3: He's a Salvadorian fisherman and author who was found on
Speaker 3: January thirtieth, twenty fourteen. He was either thirty six or
Speaker 3: thirty seven on the Marshall Islands after spending fourteen months
Speaker 3: a drift in a small fishing boat in the Pacific
Speaker 3: Ocean beginning on November seventeenth, twenty twelve.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 3: Yes, He survived mainly on a diet of raw fish, turtle,
Speaker 3: small bird, sharks, and rainwater. He swamed ashore at tile Inlet,
Speaker 3: a small island that's part of the Ebon Eben A Toll,
Speaker 3: on January thirtieth two locals. I have their names too,
Speaker 3: because I know everything. Emmy, Libo, Cemetto and Russell. You
Speaker 3: know these names, and that you can't pronounce them well.
Speaker 3: In my head, I have this weird thing where it's pronunciation.
Speaker 3: I have a problem with that rot. You know that
Speaker 3: they found him naked and clutching a knife and shouting
Speaker 3: in Spanish. He was treated in the hospital before flying
Speaker 3: home to his family Nel Salador on February tenth. Now again,
Speaker 3: there are certain people that are trying to poke holes
Speaker 3: in the story of whether this happened or not. For instance,
Speaker 3: he actually left with another person who apparently refused to
Speaker 3: eat after four months and died on the boat.
Speaker 2: But they never found that guy's body, so there's a
Speaker 2: lot of different stuff that are going on him.
Speaker 3: No, that he specifically said that because he was a
Speaker 3: Christian he would never have eaten the body, which I
Speaker 3: found odd because other survivors we have not yet talked about.
Speaker 3: But the people that survived the flight of wherever, the
Speaker 3: soccer team that ate each other. One of the reasons
Speaker 3: they were able to eat each other is because they
Speaker 3: said it was like the body of Christ, and that's
Speaker 3: how you're sustainable. So they were devoutly Christian as well.
Speaker 3: So yes, yeah, that seems like a weak argument. I'm
Speaker 3: just gonna let you know, even if you're just asleep,
Speaker 3: I'm going to start eating you.
Speaker 2: If we're on the boat, I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm just I might just take away from you to no, no,
Speaker 1: I might.
Speaker 3: You might have to hobble around, but I'm gonna be
Speaker 3: sat on like day two exactly.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, this would be this would be a cruise.
Speaker 2: It would still be a buffet downstairs. Then we run
Speaker 2: out of ice cream on the exactly wait a second,
Speaker 2: that the I'm taking rider.
Speaker 3: That's your foot just the way it is. So again,
Speaker 3: shout out Jose Salvadora Alvarenga for living for fourteen months.
Speaker 1: It seems like surviving in the ocean is the harshest,
Speaker 1: ugh like the worst. Yeah, I mean I couldn't, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I couldn't imagine. Also, just how the vast nothingness wouldn't
Speaker 1: just get you just be floating in space, It would
Speaker 1: just drive the infinite nothingness must scare the hell out
Speaker 1: of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, crazy, crazy, you've been listening to Podmeys twirl. The
Speaker 2: torches may be snuffed, but our questionable analysis burns on.
Speaker 2: We'll see you next time. A tribal trap. Your smoking