WEBVTT - Pod Meets Twirl'd: Survivor 5010 0:00:10.480 --> 0:00:13.720 Welcome to Pod meets Twirld, a podcast the once chronicled 0:00:13.720 --> 0:00:15.920 two guys who had never seen Dancing with the Stars, 0:00:16.120 --> 0:00:19.360 but watched a season and walked away experts. From there, 0:00:19.400 --> 0:00:21.840 we ventured into trader As, a show I'd never seen, 0:00:21.920 --> 0:00:26.040 but one Will swore he could win and now survivor 0:00:26.320 --> 0:00:29.160 season fifty, the Big One, and this time the roles 0:00:29.160 --> 0:00:32.200 are reversed. Will has seen exactly one season, the very 0:00:32.240 --> 0:00:32.880 first one. 0:00:33.040 --> 0:00:35.000 Meanwhile, I've watched for years. 0:00:35.159 --> 0:00:37.960 We are Wilfred Ell, who prefers his wilderness with room service, 0:00:38.159 --> 0:00:41.000 and Ryder Strong, who will hike any mountain but hates 0:00:41.000 --> 0:00:43.960 the beach. Two best friends, one devoted to the comforts 0:00:44.000 --> 0:00:46.120 of civilization and one who would never leave the. 0:00:46.080 --> 0:00:46.880 Woods if he could. 0:00:47.120 --> 0:00:52.479 Both reality competition scholars join us as we dive into alliances, blindsides, 0:00:52.479 --> 0:00:55.280 fire making, sand related misery, and twenty five years of 0:00:55.320 --> 0:00:59.000 television history culminating in a single massive season. This is 0:00:59.320 --> 0:01:01.720 Pod meets Twirled Seeking Immunity. 0:01:03.880 --> 0:01:05.920 I like the long pause after the giant build up. 0:01:06.480 --> 0:01:08.760 It's a it's a long intro, it's a lot I 0:01:08.800 --> 0:01:10.720 love it, and the outro is. 0:01:10.680 --> 0:01:13.440 Like two sentences. I know the outro is probably should 0:01:13.440 --> 0:01:14.640 be more and this should be less. 0:01:14.720 --> 0:01:17.000 Against again, the four play is always always longer than 0:01:17.000 --> 0:01:17.600 post coitus. 0:01:17.600 --> 0:01:18.319 Everybody knows that. 0:01:19.280 --> 0:01:26.119 My my big takeaway feeling, my overwhelming feeling right now 0:01:26.160 --> 0:01:28.720 this week, after this episode, and I'm not sure why 0:01:29.400 --> 0:01:30.360 is that I want to be on. 0:01:30.360 --> 0:01:34.080 Survivor after this week. I don't disagree, really, yeah, I don't. 0:01:34.160 --> 0:01:37.200 This was a very fun on the edge of my 0:01:37.319 --> 0:01:41.480 seat totally. I now know everybody's name instantly, I'm in 0:01:41.560 --> 0:01:42.320 on their stories. 0:01:42.360 --> 0:01:42.959 I'm in, I'm in. 0:01:43.040 --> 0:01:46.840 Okay, wow, great, So I think, yeah, I'm just sitting 0:01:46.840 --> 0:01:48.400 there going like, no, I think I could do this, 0:01:48.480 --> 0:01:49.600 and I think I would have a lot of fun 0:01:49.640 --> 0:01:49.920 doing that. 0:01:50.200 --> 0:01:51.880 I think you might have been a bit like Steph though, 0:01:51.960 --> 0:01:53.880 or people would cut to your talking head like Rider 0:01:53.960 --> 0:01:56.680 can't lie to me, so every time he does he's fidgeting. 0:01:57.200 --> 0:02:00.440 Oh God, look at So there's a way to play 0:02:00.560 --> 0:02:02.680 knowing that you know, Like I think, Ozzie is playing 0:02:02.960 --> 0:02:05.800 very straightforward game where he's not lying to anybody's face, 0:02:05.960 --> 0:02:09.160 but he's also not so confrontation that when he confronts 0:02:09.200 --> 0:02:10.519 people they still kind of like him. 0:02:10.600 --> 0:02:13.040 Rizzo is another interesting way to go about it. Another way, too, 0:02:13.680 --> 0:02:15.680 is like, hey, this is a game. I'm playing the game. 0:02:15.840 --> 0:02:18.760 Even Devin's like, I think it's when you start getting 0:02:18.800 --> 0:02:21.519 too personal, which is another problem I would have. 0:02:21.960 --> 0:02:24.440 Rizzo takes it to another level though, and it's the 0:02:24.440 --> 0:02:29.320 way I would play, which is childlike wonderment. Oh and 0:02:29.400 --> 0:02:32.040 so you can't kick off the four year old. They're 0:02:32.040 --> 0:02:34.480 having too much fun totally. And so when you go 0:02:34.560 --> 0:02:35.960 in with like this is the beat, I. 0:02:35.919 --> 0:02:38.040 Just can't believe. I'm just here having a good time. 0:02:37.880 --> 0:02:39.720 And I get to work with everybody and oh my god, 0:02:39.760 --> 0:02:42.480 I ate a coconut today and a kicksychopath like you 0:02:43.520 --> 0:02:46.200 exactly who wants to kick that person off? Yeah? 0:02:46.240 --> 0:02:49.519 You just you never know, man, I think there's playing Well, 0:02:49.760 --> 0:02:50.480 maybe it's just this. 0:02:50.520 --> 0:02:52.880 Point of the season when everybody's like crying because of 0:02:52.919 --> 0:02:56.120 the letters they get from home, and it just feels real. 0:02:56.440 --> 0:03:00.760 And I just cannot believe that every single per looks 0:03:00.760 --> 0:03:02.720 at it as like the greatest adventure that they've had, 0:03:02.720 --> 0:03:04.720 and like they see it as like this accomplishment that 0:03:05.440 --> 0:03:08.600 proves something about themselves to themselves. Yeah, and I just 0:03:09.400 --> 0:03:11.600 where I'm at right now, Like I thought I would 0:03:11.639 --> 0:03:14.280 never want to be on Survivor really. I mean, you know, 0:03:14.320 --> 0:03:16.440 you fantasize about it, like everybody does, I think, to 0:03:16.480 --> 0:03:17.799 a certain extent when you're watching it. 0:03:17.919 --> 0:03:19.480 But for some reason this week I was like, I 0:03:19.480 --> 0:03:21.079 think I could actually use this. 0:03:21.360 --> 0:03:23.080 I can do this and be good at this and 0:03:23.160 --> 0:03:26.919 like and be healthy for me, And I don't I 0:03:26.960 --> 0:03:28.760 don't know how seriously to take that. We'll see how 0:03:28.760 --> 0:03:31.040 I feel in a week, but for now, that's my 0:03:31.120 --> 0:03:33.360 feeling is that I would actually like to be on Survivor, 0:03:33.400 --> 0:03:34.079 and I think I. 0:03:34.040 --> 0:03:37.840 Think it's really interesting that I'm completely coming around on 0:03:37.920 --> 0:03:40.360 it again. The thing that hit me this week was 0:03:40.400 --> 0:03:43.080 because and again this is on me, because I'm coming 0:03:43.120 --> 0:03:45.040 into the season where I'm supposed to know all this stuff, 0:03:45.080 --> 0:03:47.840 but now they've been on They said this was day nineteen, 0:03:48.400 --> 0:03:50.680 so you're nineteen days of hunger and all that stuff. 0:03:50.760 --> 0:03:53.520 As your body shuts down, you have to keep your 0:03:53.520 --> 0:03:56.280 mind sharp. Yeah, And so it was like the end, 0:03:56.400 --> 0:03:58.720 you know, one point Devin's is like, Okay, don't react 0:03:58.720 --> 0:04:01.000 out of anger. When I react that out, bad things happen. 0:04:01.000 --> 0:04:05.240 So you have to, like in a more starvation state, 0:04:05.440 --> 0:04:08.360 continue to remind yourself that the game while having a 0:04:08.400 --> 0:04:13.600 lot of physical attributes is ultimately cerebral yes and social yes, 0:04:14.120 --> 0:04:16.560 and as that starts to shut down, that's when people 0:04:16.600 --> 0:04:17.120 make mistakes. 0:04:17.120 --> 0:04:18.680 We talked about that last week with Christian, where it 0:04:18.720 --> 0:04:19.840 looked like he was losing it a little bit, like 0:04:19.880 --> 0:04:21.599 actually kind of lost it. And I think that's what 0:04:21.680 --> 0:04:24.680 I don't that's what I miss and traders or like 0:04:24.680 --> 0:04:26.560 that's why I've never watched Big Brothers because I'm. 0:04:26.400 --> 0:04:28.560 Like, well, if you're just a house right, I don't know. 0:04:28.800 --> 0:04:31.719 There's this there's something about the struggle that these people 0:04:31.760 --> 0:04:34.800 are putting their bodies and their minds through that I 0:04:34.839 --> 0:04:36.200 don't know if that's appealing to me, you know. I 0:04:36.240 --> 0:04:38.240 mean this is I go backpacking, you know, where you 0:04:38.240 --> 0:04:42.240 go into the wilderness intentionally to test yourself and to 0:04:42.360 --> 0:04:45.680 get to a place where you're like like the shower you. 0:04:45.600 --> 0:04:48.479 Take when you come back from like five days at backpacking. 0:04:48.000 --> 0:04:49.720 Actually is the greatest shower you've ever had, you know, 0:04:49.760 --> 0:04:51.720 And it's like makes me appreciate it. It's like, oh, 0:04:52.120 --> 0:04:55.040 the food tastes so good again, Like I just I 0:04:55.240 --> 0:04:57.159 you know, I was watching them. I think that's probably 0:04:57.160 --> 0:04:59.120 maybe what we had too, like watching them eat, like 0:04:59.480 --> 0:05:01.599 you know, a bracker with hummus and they're just like 0:05:02.040 --> 0:05:04.760 this is so You're just like, yes, so awesome. 0:05:05.240 --> 0:05:06.960 I was so happy when I saw I was sitting 0:05:07.000 --> 0:05:08.200 there a sue and I was like, oh. 0:05:08.120 --> 0:05:10.280 This is a writer's talking about it. It's the auction, it's 0:05:10.320 --> 0:05:12.320 the auction. Yes, this week had a lot of the 0:05:12.360 --> 0:05:15.240 big the big hits. Yeah, great letters. Yeah, it's a 0:05:15.240 --> 0:05:16.840 great episode. And I think you're right too. 0:05:16.880 --> 0:05:18.479 We're just getting to the numbers where you can wrap 0:05:18.520 --> 0:05:20.600 your head around all the people. It probably feels a 0:05:20.600 --> 0:05:23.560 little less gossipy because now you know what they're talking 0:05:23.560 --> 0:05:25.400 about the when you know their characters. 0:05:25.440 --> 0:05:27.480 So yeah, but it's also it's fun because it might 0:05:27.520 --> 0:05:30.040 seem a little less gossipy. But as the hungery they're 0:05:30.040 --> 0:05:31.960 getting and the more they're trying to maintain some sense 0:05:32.000 --> 0:05:36.680 of like mental acuity, yeah, the paranoia also kicks in. 0:05:36.839 --> 0:05:38.960 I know. So then it's wait, what did they say? 0:05:39.000 --> 0:05:40.960 Who said this to me? I had no idea how 0:05:41.000 --> 0:05:41.760 they were going to vote. 0:05:41.760 --> 0:05:44.200 Man, I was like, that was chaos and people just 0:05:44.240 --> 0:05:46.960 flat out lying and I'm starting starting to not like 0:05:46.960 --> 0:05:49.080 certain people because they lied, and like, wait, my crush 0:05:49.160 --> 0:05:50.040 is totally changed. 0:05:50.480 --> 0:05:52.960 So yeah, I mean it's been it's I have a 0:05:53.000 --> 0:05:54.920 whole new crush. By the way, we'll get it all right. 0:05:55.160 --> 0:05:58.320 So, coming off of the last episode where Jeff participated 0:05:58.600 --> 0:06:02.120 and realized how hard his own show actually is, Christian 0:06:02.160 --> 0:06:04.040 lost his puzzle. I had to write his own name down. 0:06:04.920 --> 0:06:08.800 Emily made a move for Ozzie. Serie never was going 0:06:08.880 --> 0:06:12.039 to do that and told everyone, so they pivoted to Christian, 0:06:12.560 --> 0:06:16.240 and Christian is out back at camp. You know, Ozzie 0:06:16.240 --> 0:06:18.720 talks about being happy that he has finally learned how 0:06:18.720 --> 0:06:21.200 to build alliance and have social skills, which is great 0:06:21.520 --> 0:06:23.760 because he would have been knocked off in any other season, 0:06:23.760 --> 0:06:24.840 I think at exactly this point. 0:06:24.920 --> 0:06:27.479 So he's totally right. It's happy Gilmore. Did you see 0:06:27.480 --> 0:06:28.080 happy Gilmore? 0:06:28.600 --> 0:06:28.760 No? 0:06:29.080 --> 0:06:30.600 Oh, you never saw happy Gomore. He never saw the 0:06:30.600 --> 0:06:32.960 hen't think so. I've seen. Isn't that the scene where 0:06:33.000 --> 0:06:34.680 he beats up a golf player at one? Yeah? 0:06:34.839 --> 0:06:37.040 No, beat he beats up Bob Barker. Okay, I've seen 0:06:37.080 --> 0:06:39.120 that scene. Okay, for whatever reason, but I don't know 0:06:39.160 --> 0:06:39.839 anything else. 0:06:39.640 --> 0:06:40.680 About the Miracle movie. 0:06:40.720 --> 0:06:43.600 And he can drive the ball farther than anybody, and 0:06:43.640 --> 0:06:46.080 he can hit the ball farther than anybody, but he can't. 0:06:46.080 --> 0:06:47.000 He has no short game. 0:06:47.360 --> 0:06:50.000 So at the end, he like he does this thing 0:06:50.000 --> 0:06:51.479 where he pulls out this putter and he hits the 0:06:51.480 --> 0:06:53.200 putt and he makes it from like thirty feet away 0:06:53.200 --> 0:06:53.719 and he looks up he. 0:06:53.720 --> 0:06:57.280 Goes, oh, oh happy he learned how to putt. And 0:06:57.320 --> 0:06:57.840 that's what I. 0:06:57.760 --> 0:06:59.600 Thought about with Ozzie, where it's like he's got all 0:06:59.600 --> 0:07:00.240 the physical act. 0:07:00.920 --> 0:07:07.520 It's like, oh, exactly, no, man, I'm still just fully. 0:07:07.240 --> 0:07:08.000 In the bag for him. 0:07:08.200 --> 0:07:12.320 And he's my favorite scene too, Like watching him basically 0:07:12.440 --> 0:07:16.520 tell Emily and Devin's off to their face without really 0:07:16.520 --> 0:07:19.680 telling them off. He's just like, all right, you snaked me, 0:07:19.840 --> 0:07:21.640 you were kind of you did it, you wrote my 0:07:21.720 --> 0:07:22.160 name down. 0:07:22.880 --> 0:07:24.320 I'm still gonna have to work with you. And like 0:07:24.480 --> 0:07:26.000 they all managed to be okay with it. 0:07:26.040 --> 0:07:28.400 I mean, they still turned on him in the course 0:07:28.440 --> 0:07:30.760 of this episode, but ultimately I think it's the way 0:07:30.800 --> 0:07:33.360 to play, you know, to be like, hey, that sucked 0:07:33.360 --> 0:07:35.240 that you did that, but not I'm not going to 0:07:35.320 --> 0:07:36.800 take it so personally that I have to make a 0:07:36.800 --> 0:07:39.760 big dramatic scene and shame you. He's just calling you out, 0:07:39.880 --> 0:07:40.360 putting you on. 0:07:40.440 --> 0:07:40.800 Notice. 0:07:40.920 --> 0:07:43.720 I saw what you did there. I'm okay, Like I survived. 0:07:43.760 --> 0:07:45.560 I'm lucky I did. I got my alliances. I can't 0:07:45.600 --> 0:07:47.560 trust you the way I thought I could. Oh well, yeah, 0:07:47.600 --> 0:07:49.080 we move on eventually. 0:07:49.120 --> 0:07:52.040 In the Hunger Games, you've got to kill every other contestant. 0:07:52.440 --> 0:07:54.120 I mean that's there's one left at the end. 0:07:54.280 --> 0:07:55.280 Yes, right, exactly. 0:07:55.560 --> 0:07:58.600 So yeah, man, just he just made the smartest move 0:07:59.080 --> 0:08:02.400 locking step with with Syria early on this season. 0:08:02.640 --> 0:08:05.320 She well, she's yes, she's a lucky Avellian. I mean 0:08:05.440 --> 0:08:08.000 the best possible way I know. And it's incredible. 0:08:08.240 --> 0:08:12.400 It's because she goes from this like, oh my god, 0:08:12.400 --> 0:08:14.080 I get excuse me, I'm gonna be sick real quick, 0:08:14.080 --> 0:08:16.240 and then I'm gonna come back and everybody's laughing. And 0:08:16.280 --> 0:08:18.920 then she gets into gameplay and it's like she turns 0:08:18.960 --> 0:08:20.720 into Darth Vader. 0:08:20.480 --> 0:08:22.600 Where she's just like, yeah, let's talk about the next day. 0:08:22.640 --> 0:08:27.440 It's incredible, Yeah, I mean wonderful. All right. So then, yeah, 0:08:27.480 --> 0:08:29.200 Ozzy has this sort of easy way of. 0:08:29.320 --> 0:08:33.240 Telling them off and telling it like it is without 0:08:33.400 --> 0:08:34.200 being too aggressive. 0:08:34.240 --> 0:08:35.120 I really appreciate that. 0:08:35.240 --> 0:08:39.040 And then you know, Emily and Devin's call themselves the 0:08:39.080 --> 0:08:41.679 two psychopaths out here and this kind of becomes a 0:08:41.720 --> 0:08:44.000 theme of the episode. It's like, because Aubrey's doing the 0:08:44.000 --> 0:08:47.560 same thing, She's like, I'm a psycho, which really put 0:08:47.559 --> 0:08:50.040 me in the mind. Do you remember, like psycho was 0:08:50.040 --> 0:08:52.280 one of those words that was really popular when we 0:08:52.280 --> 0:08:53.319 were like teenagers. 0:08:53.760 --> 0:08:56.000 Dude is big on Boy Meets World, we would call 0:08:56.120 --> 0:08:58.040 girls psycho. I think you're a psycho? 0:08:58.240 --> 0:09:00.880 Right, And now it's like not so you hear anymore, 0:09:01.240 --> 0:09:04.360 Like yeah, because everyone got into like what it actually meant, 0:09:04.360 --> 0:09:06.160 which is like, you know, you're a serial killer, Like 0:09:06.200 --> 0:09:09.280 you're being a psychopath was like a diagnosable condition, so 0:09:09.320 --> 0:09:10.880 we stopped using it as slang. 0:09:10.960 --> 0:09:13.880 But it seems like it's making a comeback. And I 0:09:13.960 --> 0:09:15.600 was going to say, I'm not sure. I'm not sure. 0:09:15.640 --> 0:09:18.240 I feel bad about that. I think it's no great. 0:09:18.160 --> 0:09:20.720 It's actually me well, I remember when we were kids, 0:09:20.920 --> 0:09:22.720 like like Legal Weapon. 0:09:23.320 --> 0:09:26.480 You would talk about him in what's his name? Mel 0:09:26.480 --> 0:09:29.080 Gibson's character be like he's kind of a psycho, yeah, 0:09:29.080 --> 0:09:30.760 and it would be like a positive thing. It was 0:09:30.760 --> 0:09:33.800 like being psychotic was cool. Yeah. 0:09:33.880 --> 0:09:34.360 Yeah. 0:09:34.559 --> 0:09:36.720 In the eighties it was they didn't play by the book. 0:09:37.120 --> 0:09:39.640 In the nineties, they were a psycho. Yeah, that's I mean, 0:09:39.640 --> 0:09:43.920 that's totally the way, all right. So then Devons decides 0:09:43.960 --> 0:09:46.360 to make a speech to everyone about his fake idol 0:09:46.400 --> 0:09:49.760 and reveal that it's a pocket square that he's rolled up. 0:09:50.400 --> 0:09:53.400 And I, you know, at this point I really thought 0:09:53.440 --> 0:09:56.840 he screwed his game. Turns out not to be the case. No, 0:09:57.040 --> 0:10:00.480 but not at all. But you know this point, I 0:10:00.559 --> 0:10:03.440 was like, yeah, yeah, man, I don't know like this, 0:10:03.440 --> 0:10:07.680 this this on the edge plane of like I'm constantly trickering, 0:10:07.880 --> 0:10:08.800 tricking everybody. 0:10:08.840 --> 0:10:11.640 I'm the trickster. And I was like, I don't think 0:10:11.640 --> 0:10:14.679 it's it's it's gonna work. But he pulled it off 0:10:14.679 --> 0:10:16.160 by the end of the episode, so he did. 0:10:16.160 --> 0:10:19.840 But he also shows that luck really does plays so 0:10:19.920 --> 0:10:22.560 many different facets to this game. It's physical, it's mental, 0:10:22.960 --> 0:10:25.520 and there's time where luck just matters. You're walking the 0:10:25.600 --> 0:10:27.520 right place, you find an idol, that's okay, you can 0:10:27.520 --> 0:10:30.040 search for him, but that's still lucky. Yeah, so yeah, 0:10:30.120 --> 0:10:32.760 it's it's It certainly is a multifaceted game. 0:10:32.800 --> 0:10:34.880 But the whole time Devon's is talking, do you see 0:10:34.920 --> 0:10:37.480 how the cameras is lingering on Joe listening to him, 0:10:37.559 --> 0:10:41.200 and he looks exactly like Robert de Niro and Taxi Driver. 0:10:41.320 --> 0:10:43.000 When he's staring at like the Alco cells are in 0:10:43.000 --> 0:10:45.200 the glass, like just getting more You're like, oh god, 0:10:45.240 --> 0:10:47.959 he's gonna knife him. He's gonna like like grab him 0:10:47.960 --> 0:10:48.839 and bite him. You know. 0:10:48.960 --> 0:10:49.760 I was like just. 0:10:49.720 --> 0:10:52.120 Getting more and more upset, and I'm like, geez, like 0:10:52.440 --> 0:10:55.440 so Devon's really rubs people like Joe the wrong way, like, 0:10:55.600 --> 0:10:56.959 you know, the people that are like you got to 0:10:57.000 --> 0:11:00.400 be straightforward, you know, were And I was like, so, 0:11:00.440 --> 0:11:02.800 who's going psycho right here? I think it's the the 0:11:02.880 --> 0:11:05.439 Joe's and the Jonathan's, the guys who are like trying 0:11:05.480 --> 0:11:07.120 to play it straight and keep their head in the game. 0:11:07.280 --> 0:11:09.640 They're a little more intense in a way that like. 0:11:10.480 --> 0:11:14.160 It's a weird analogy, but it's Thorn Loki totally. I mean, 0:11:14.600 --> 0:11:16.600 you've got you've got you've got to be a god 0:11:16.679 --> 0:11:18.400 and go by that, and then it's a total trickster. 0:11:18.559 --> 0:11:19.480 Yeah right, yeah. 0:11:19.840 --> 0:11:22.000 I mean just even watching Jonathan the way he's like 0:11:22.040 --> 0:11:24.920 picking his beard like this like wise old man, Like 0:11:25.480 --> 0:11:27.280 you could see him like he's just starting to twitch 0:11:27.320 --> 0:11:28.160 a little bit. You know. 0:11:29.160 --> 0:11:31.000 They're all kind of enrap he. 0:11:31.080 --> 0:11:33.240 Is, and he's starting to get just I mean, I 0:11:33.600 --> 0:11:34.920 got you know, I know you got to play the 0:11:34.920 --> 0:11:37.360 way you gotta play, but lost some respect for Jonathan. 0:11:37.600 --> 0:11:40.920 I know, really did he let Stephanie take the fall? Yeah, 0:11:40.920 --> 0:11:41.679 he totally did. 0:11:41.920 --> 0:11:44.560 He like did not and then just lye into Ozzie's 0:11:44.559 --> 0:11:47.120 face and it's like, you don't have to lie, dude, 0:11:47.200 --> 0:11:48.360 Like play the game. 0:11:48.600 --> 0:11:49.880 Yeah. I did throw your name out there. 0:11:49.920 --> 0:11:52.280 I absolutely did, because we're trying to figure and I 0:11:52.280 --> 0:11:53.679 was trying to flush somebody else out. 0:11:53.720 --> 0:11:55.560 But just to just be like that never happened. It's 0:11:55.600 --> 0:11:57.319 like what never happened? Multiple times never. 0:11:57.760 --> 0:12:01.560 And all I think to myself is, you know eventually 0:12:01.559 --> 0:12:04.959 they're gonna watch, right like they're filming this right so. 0:12:05.000 --> 0:12:06.960 In the long run, even if it's good for your 0:12:07.000 --> 0:12:10.200 game right now, to lie, you're kind of looking like 0:12:10.240 --> 0:12:11.800 I'm not a great human in the end. 0:12:12.120 --> 0:12:13.800 Well. I remember one of the things that you know 0:12:13.840 --> 0:12:15.960 from the reality show World, one of the things that 0:12:16.000 --> 0:12:17.920 I heard, because I was a big Jersey Shore fan, 0:12:18.600 --> 0:12:21.400 was like Jersey Shore Season two, when they go to Miami, 0:12:21.480 --> 0:12:23.520 is considered one of the greatest seasons of any reality 0:12:23.520 --> 0:12:26.559 show ever. It's just amazing and one of the reasons 0:12:26.640 --> 0:12:30.040 is apparently they would sit the cast down and like 0:12:30.240 --> 0:12:33.080 show them all the stuff from the previous season and 0:12:33.120 --> 0:12:34.120 then go, now. 0:12:33.960 --> 0:12:34.720 We're starting again. 0:12:35.000 --> 0:12:38.000 So all the shit that was underhanded and behind, like 0:12:38.240 --> 0:12:40.280 he cheated on her, he did this and just lied 0:12:40.320 --> 0:12:43.360 about it. They're like watching that and then have to 0:12:43.400 --> 0:12:47.120 go into the new season. Crazy the stuff that that. 0:12:47.200 --> 0:12:48.640 It's like, yeah, you're right, you caught me doing. 0:12:48.760 --> 0:12:51.440 So I'm sitting there watching going He's gonna watch the 0:12:51.480 --> 0:12:54.319 show and see that you just flat out lied to him. 0:12:54.720 --> 0:13:11.560 So yes, the dynamic's crazy. 0:13:11.679 --> 0:13:13.520 All right. We get to the auction. 0:13:13.920 --> 0:13:17.280 I was so stoked and terrified because I really, like 0:13:17.360 --> 0:13:20.800 I am, I'm not a person who could eat. 0:13:20.559 --> 0:13:23.240 I could gross stuff. I could eat anything. Oh good 0:13:23.240 --> 0:13:24.960 for you, I could eat anything. I wouldn't even think 0:13:24.960 --> 0:13:26.760 about it. I might not be able to keep it down, 0:13:26.800 --> 0:13:27.400 but I'll eat it. 0:13:27.880 --> 0:13:30.960 Yeah, I would love to like try, but like yeah, 0:13:31.000 --> 0:13:33.560 I said, when I went to Thailand when I was 0:13:33.559 --> 0:13:35.480 like nineteen, I was like, I'm going to try bugs 0:13:35.520 --> 0:13:37.960 of course, and then like I saw it sizzly on 0:13:38.000 --> 0:13:40.640 the street, you know, like pull on, like. 0:13:40.640 --> 0:13:42.000 Here it is, you can buy it. 0:13:42.320 --> 0:13:45.120 You got them deep no, not even crickets. Man, Like, 0:13:45.160 --> 0:13:47.240 it's just like I won't do the crickets, I won't 0:13:47.240 --> 0:13:47.920 do the big bug. 0:13:48.000 --> 0:13:49.760 I'm like, none of it. I'm just like, oh, do 0:13:49.840 --> 0:13:51.960 you think is it a is it a mental thing? 0:13:52.040 --> 0:13:54.360 Or is it a taxar thing or all of the 0:13:54.440 --> 0:13:57.160 above really, because like you eat eel, you love eel, 0:13:57.200 --> 0:13:59.640 which I find a little gross, so really like, yeah. 0:14:00.240 --> 0:14:02.040 I think if I saw that it was a eel, 0:14:02.080 --> 0:14:03.199 like when I see eel. 0:14:02.960 --> 0:14:06.280 And sushi, it looks just like you know, yeah, if 0:14:06.280 --> 0:14:08.720 I think if I saw the eel's head, if I 0:14:08.760 --> 0:14:09.720 see a fish head, I. 0:14:10.040 --> 0:14:11.280 Definitely lose my appetite. 0:14:11.320 --> 0:14:12.800 I'm kind of the same way like I would. I 0:14:12.840 --> 0:14:15.120 don't want my shrimp with the heads on like a shrimp. 0:14:15.160 --> 0:14:16.840 I wanted to look like any Hana shrimp. 0:14:17.160 --> 0:14:18.199 And the few. 0:14:18.000 --> 0:14:20.840 Times that I've like actually killed an animal and eaten it, 0:14:20.920 --> 0:14:24.080 you know, not so much with fish actually, but certainly 0:14:24.280 --> 0:14:27.080 with like turkey, which is really the only thing I've 0:14:27.080 --> 0:14:30.360 ever hunted and actually eaten it, like ruins, the actual 0:14:30.600 --> 0:14:32.920 experience of eating it, it doesn't taste good, Like I'm like, oh, yeah, 0:14:33.040 --> 0:14:34.600 it makes me uncomfortable. 0:14:34.040 --> 0:14:35.520 And I get it, and I know why it has 0:14:35.560 --> 0:14:37.680 to be done, and I'm so glad other people will 0:14:37.680 --> 0:14:39.880 do it because I'm too much. I just I'm the 0:14:39.880 --> 0:14:42.360 same way, Like that would be crying all through my venison, 0:14:42.840 --> 0:14:45.000 even knowing full well that the deer population needs to 0:14:45.000 --> 0:14:45.440 be thinned out. 0:14:45.440 --> 0:14:46.240 I couldn't sure do it. 0:14:46.280 --> 0:14:48.920 I sure and ethically, like it makes sense right when 0:14:48.920 --> 0:14:51.280 you're killed the thing, you eat it and we should 0:14:51.320 --> 0:14:53.120 be okay with it. But yeah, no, I mean this 0:14:53.160 --> 0:14:55.320 is why I became. I was raised the vegetarian. And 0:14:55.360 --> 0:14:58.640 then when I was fifteen sixteen, when we were doing boy, 0:14:59.360 --> 0:15:02.560 we dissect did a rabbit in my biology class, and 0:15:02.600 --> 0:15:05.040 I was so turned off that I was like, I 0:15:05.080 --> 0:15:07.360 can't do this. I shouldn't eat meat. So then I 0:15:07.360 --> 0:15:09.600 didn't eat meat for another ten years after that. Yeah, 0:15:09.600 --> 0:15:14.160 and then I had a salami sandwich. I met my wife, 0:15:14.360 --> 0:15:19.240 who is an incredible Puerto Rican Italian cook, yeah, who 0:15:19.360 --> 0:15:22.880 mostly makes meat like it's like for her, it's like 0:15:22.880 --> 0:15:24.720 it's not a meal unless it has a meat like 0:15:24.760 --> 0:15:27.480 a stable, like a staple meat dish. 0:15:27.560 --> 0:15:29.440 When you first met her, didn't she have a full 0:15:29.520 --> 0:15:32.560 bore on a spit that she had just hunted, Like, hey, 0:15:32.640 --> 0:15:33.640 nice to meet you on Malex, I. 0:15:33.640 --> 0:15:36.640 Mean her rice and beans, like her family's rice and beans, 0:15:36.640 --> 0:15:38.680 Like it's Puerto Rican rice and beans. It's made in 0:15:38.800 --> 0:15:41.120 bacon fat, you know, like that. It's like bacon is 0:15:41.120 --> 0:15:43.160 a part of it. It's like you can try that 0:15:43.320 --> 0:15:44.320 and yeah, oh it's so good. 0:15:44.920 --> 0:15:47.560 Try all right. Well, so we get to the auction. 0:15:47.920 --> 0:15:50.480 I was, yeah, like super excited because this is always 0:15:50.480 --> 0:15:51.000 a fun thing. 0:15:51.280 --> 0:15:53.560 But I have to say, none. 0:15:53.320 --> 0:15:55.960 Of the rules made sense to me now this whole 0:15:56.760 --> 0:15:59.720 and and this is my big criticism of this season 0:15:59.760 --> 0:16:03.520 is they keep introducing these like new ideas as if 0:16:03.560 --> 0:16:07.080 they make sense, Like tonight's a blood moon, which, as 0:16:07.120 --> 0:16:09.480 we all know, means three players get voted out in 0:16:09.520 --> 0:16:12.680 success like no, what you And in this case, he's 0:16:12.720 --> 0:16:17.120 just like chaos and what comfort? Comfort and chaos And 0:16:17.160 --> 0:16:19.320 you can just see as he's trying to explain it, 0:16:19.560 --> 0:16:22.840 everybody's just like tilting their heads going So. 0:16:22.760 --> 0:16:25.040 It's just chaos. It's good or bad. 0:16:25.160 --> 0:16:27.120 There's no way to play this, you know what I mean, 0:16:27.120 --> 0:16:29.680 There's no there was no predictable because it was like 0:16:29.800 --> 0:16:33.680 you vote for a thing, maybe it's good, maybe it's 0:16:33.680 --> 0:16:35.360 a good thing plus a bad thing. 0:16:35.680 --> 0:16:36.960 Maybe it's a bad and it was like, I. 0:16:37.560 --> 0:16:40.080 Just say, it's literally Eric at the hotel, you can 0:16:40.160 --> 0:16:43.840 have this or a mystery bag, like it's like, what 0:16:44.080 --> 0:16:46.160 is this? I don't And then most of the things 0:16:46.440 --> 0:16:48.840