Speaker 1: I definitely have a balance personally between the designs to
Speaker 1: kind of get up and write songs and do things
Speaker 1: and go out and engage with the world, versus the
Speaker 1: designs to sit on my sofa any Christs and much
Speaker 1: boring felly and hate the world. Welcome to the one
Speaker 1: you feed. Throughout time, great thinkers have recognized the importance
Speaker 1: of the thoughts we have, quotes like garbage in, garbage out,
Speaker 1: or you are what you think, ring true. And yet
Speaker 1: for many of us, our thoughts don't strengthen or empower us.
Speaker 1: We tend toward negativity, self pity, jealousy, or fear. We
Speaker 1: see what we don't have instead of what we do.
Speaker 1: We think things that hold us back and dampen our spirit.
Speaker 1: But it's not just about thinking. Our actions matter. It
Speaker 1: takes conscious, consistent and creative effort to make a life
Speaker 1: worth living. This podcast is about how other people keep
Speaker 1: themselves moving in the right direction, how they feed their
Speaker 1: good wolf. Welcome to the show. Our guest today is
Speaker 1: a singer songwriter from England named Frank Turner. To date,
Speaker 1: Turner has released five solo albums, two rarities compilation albums,
Speaker 1: one split album, and five EPs. Turner's fifth and most
Speaker 1: recent studio album, Tape Deck Heart, was released on April.
Speaker 1: In addition to playing the Olympics opening ceremony, Frank sold
Speaker 1: out Wembley Stadium, which, for those of you who don't know,
Speaker 1: is extremely large. And uh So, Eric, why did you
Speaker 1: want to have Frank on the show? Because Frank is
Speaker 1: one of my all time favorite singer songwriters. I love
Speaker 1: his music. When we came up with the idea for
Speaker 1: the show, he was probably the first person that I
Speaker 1: thought of that I wanted to have on the show. Well,
Speaker 1: let's check out the interview. Here it is. Hi, Frank,
Speaker 1: Welcome to the show. Thanks for having me, Thanks for
Speaker 1: joining us. I'm really excited to have you on today
Speaker 1: because your music, for me is one of those places
Speaker 1: that I turned to pretty regularly for comfort and inspiration.
Speaker 1: And I think you're writing some of the music these
Speaker 1: days that probably talks most about the you know, the
Speaker 1: challenges of being human and are really honest, sometimes painful,
Speaker 1: and yet ultimately sort of life affirming way. It's awesome
Speaker 1: as a sun makes out I'm angry on the way
Speaker 1: and sketching out I'm building bump on my basis and scavel,
Speaker 1: just a gather body house. Why you're not designed to
Speaker 1: me alone. It's just got used to saying get up
Speaker 1: and gets out and get outside sunny day. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think you're a You're a great guest for for what
Speaker 1: we're doing. And then I'll stop the love parade in
Speaker 1: a second and ask you questions. The one other thing
Speaker 1: that that I really like about your music is I've
Speaker 1: got two teenage boys, and listeners of this show will
Speaker 1: know that I'm always looking for ways for us to connect,
Speaker 1: and your music is one of those things we we
Speaker 1: both where we all really love your music, and so
Speaker 1: it gives us a way to connect. And one of
Speaker 1: the boys and I recently drove to Cincinnati to see
Speaker 1: you play, and I got really good memories of that,
Speaker 1: you know, the drive down, the drive back, the show,
Speaker 1: Uh even though you did uh say funk? I think
Speaker 1: about forty times and about twenty five seconds. But it's
Speaker 1: my mother complaining that I have a dirty mouse, and
Speaker 1: she's right, but um, but I mean that's Cincinnatic. So
Speaker 1: first of all, it's very calm. Must thank you for much,
Speaker 1: and I'm glad to have been of some sort of
Speaker 1: positive use in this wretched world, but like I had
Speaker 1: to show it was a funny one because yeah, I
Speaker 1: didn't have a bit of an issue with the heck
Speaker 1: of that night, and I let my tongue run away
Speaker 1: with me. But that I side, I thought it was.
Speaker 1: It was. It was a great show, and it's certainly memorable.
Speaker 1: Memorable given that it's funny because my my one son,
Speaker 1: a lot of his friends don't don't really know who
Speaker 1: you are. They're they're into a lot of hip hop
Speaker 1: and stuff, and he always refers to you. They're like,
Speaker 1: what is that, And he's like, that's Big Frankie t So.
Speaker 1: That's your that's your nickname over here, I guess in Ohio,
Speaker 1: Big Frankie t So. Um. Our show is called The
Speaker 1: One You Feed, and it's based on the old parable
Speaker 1: of Two Wolves, where there's a grandfather and he's talking
Speaker 1: to his grandson and he says, in life, there are
Speaker 1: two wolves inside of us. One is a good wolf
Speaker 1: and represents things like kindness and bravery and love, and
Speaker 1: the other is a bad wolf, which represents things like
Speaker 1: hatred and jealousy and fear. And the grandson stops and
Speaker 1: thinks and he says, well, grandfather, which one ends and
Speaker 1: the grandfather says the one you feed. So I'd like
Speaker 1: to start off the podcast by asking you what does
Speaker 1: that parable mean to you in your life and in
Speaker 1: your work. Well, I mean I think, um, it's it's
Speaker 1: it's a good it's it's a classical parable. I mean
Speaker 1: for me, Yeah, I definitely kind of have a balance
Speaker 1: personally between kind of creative urges and destructive urges and
Speaker 1: self destructive versures and between, I mean to put it
Speaker 1: more kind of prisactically the desire to kind of get
Speaker 1: up and write songs and do things and go out
Speaker 1: and engage with the world versus the desire to sit
Speaker 1: on my sofa and eat Christs and watch boring Kelly
Speaker 1: and hate the world, you know, wrapped up in a
Speaker 1: sleeping bag, and um, and yeah that you know, there
Speaker 1: are days when one one is doing better than the other.
Speaker 1: But I do my best to kind of lean on
Speaker 1: on my better instincts if I can. You know, I
Speaker 1: sort I am generally possessed by this feeling that there's
Speaker 1: not enough time. Um, and there's more that I could
Speaker 1: personally do creatively and personally and all the rest it. So, um,
Speaker 1: that is something that's kind of burns inside me. Definitely, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: I was having a conversation with a friend last night.
Speaker 1: We were talking about how long we wanted to live,
Speaker 1: and he was like, Oh, I don't know, it doesn't
Speaker 1: matter if it's that much longer, and I was thinking,
Speaker 1: I've got so much I want to get done. I
Speaker 1: hope I've got to hope. I've got plenty of time
Speaker 1: ahead of me. Um. Friendship comes up in a lot
Speaker 1: of your songs, UM and sort of talking and talking
Speaker 1: about how people other people help you to be that
Speaker 1: best version of yourself. UM. On the most recent record,
Speaker 1: The Way I Tend to Be is a pretty straightforward
Speaker 1: example of that. Shine like, then all you do me
Speaker 1: you could save me from the And now back to
Speaker 1: the interview. How important are your friends and the people
Speaker 1: around you in being the person that's outdoing things and
Speaker 1: not the one curled up on the sofa. Very important?
Speaker 1: I mean, the thing is something that I kind of
Speaker 1: it's something that's kind of central to the way that
Speaker 1: I kind of look at the world. And it's a
Speaker 1: makes as me that there are people who don't feel
Speaker 1: like this, but apparently there are, but for me, I
Speaker 1: don't have an enormously high opinion of myself in my
Speaker 1: heart of hearts, you know what I mean. And I
Speaker 1: certainly think that most of my kind of friends and
Speaker 1: associates are kind of better and more inspiring people than
Speaker 1: I am, you know, in in that sort of cold
Speaker 1: dark knight the soul or whatever. And I love being
Speaker 1: around with the people that I chose severe around because
Speaker 1: they find them inspiring and they inspiring me to try
Speaker 1: and kind of not give up on myself, you know,
Speaker 1: and and and just sort of work and trying to
Speaker 1: better myself. And yeah, that's that's hugely important to me.
Speaker 1: And plus also I mean, you know, just in a
Speaker 1: from a practical sort of historical point of view for
Speaker 1: me personally, I've had some kind of rough patches of
Speaker 1: my life and it's always been friends without the family
Speaker 1: that's kind of come to me in those situations. So, um, yeah,
Speaker 1: something that's very important to me as a follow onto that,
Speaker 1: you know, talking about rough patches. Um. You you know,
Speaker 1: the most recent record, You've got some pretty graphic descriptions
Speaker 1: in there on you know, telltale signs around you know,
Speaker 1: cutting yourself when you were younger. Um. You also are,
Speaker 1: um an ambassador for something called Calm c a l M.
Speaker 1: Can you tell me a little bit more about what
Speaker 1: that is. Yeah, that's a campaign against something miserably Um.
Speaker 1: It's a UK based charity that deals with mental health
Speaker 1: issues and and the kind of the main thing that
Speaker 1: about the sort of mental health I think gemery speaking
Speaker 1: is is stigma and it is just the fact that
Speaker 1: you know, in some corners of society it's still kind
Speaker 1: of some of that people are ashamed of and embarrassed
Speaker 1: about and therefore reluctant to talk about. And the worst
Speaker 1: thing in my experience and in my opinion that for
Speaker 1: people who have mental health issues is isolation and that
Speaker 1: feeling that you've gotten there's no one you can talk to,
Speaker 1: there's no one's can understand all that kind of thing,
Speaker 1: And I see that the world could be quite rapidly
Speaker 1: made a better place, you know, from that point of
Speaker 1: view on issues of mental health. Of people are just
Speaker 1: more comfortable about talking about it and that's the main
Speaker 1: thing that calms working towards and hopefully I can help them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's that's really back to the idea of
Speaker 1: friendship and all that, but getting out and talking to people,
Speaker 1: and I agree a lot about the stigma there. And
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's just the sort of people
Speaker 1: I'm following and the places that I pay attention. It
Speaker 1: seems that that really is starting to lift to some degree,
Speaker 1: But I never know, am I seeing a bigger pattern?
Speaker 1: Am I just seeing what part of the world I'm
Speaker 1: focusing on? But well, and I think the other thing
Speaker 1: for me that I find can be quite deceptive in
Speaker 1: my own life is is the fact of getting older.
Speaker 1: If you and your friendship group get older and hopefully
Speaker 1: get a little wiser, sometimes it's tempting to think that, hey,
Speaker 1: you know, the world is turning into a better place
Speaker 1: and everybody's figuring this out. But you've got to remember that,
Speaker 1: you know, how you were when you were sixteen is
Speaker 1: how sixteen year olds are now, you know. And and
Speaker 1: there's always going to be that kind of like drive
Speaker 1: to educate sort of new people coming through or whatever.
Speaker 1: And yeah, they were just they were just I'm often
Speaker 1: reminded that there's still a lot of what to do
Speaker 1: on these kind of things with with sort of conversations
Speaker 1: you see between other people who on necessarily close your
Speaker 1: own friendship group or or pay groups or whatever. Yeah,
Speaker 1: exactly and I it's important for me to remember that
Speaker 1: having teenage boys trying to remember like they just they can't.
Speaker 1: They're incapable of seeing the world the way I see
Speaker 1: it with the years of experience and maturity. But I
Speaker 1: can relate. I can be like, oh, yeah, I remember
Speaker 1: feeling exactly that way, and and uh, I think that's important. Um.
Speaker 1: One of the other things that you're really known for
Speaker 1: and that I like, is you you bring You bring
Speaker 1: a real sense of community to your music. I know
Speaker 1: you've talked a lot about your your background in the
Speaker 1: in the punk rock hardcore scene. At the same time,
Speaker 1: you also really have this thing where you say that
Speaker 1: you can only say it, but you sort of act
Speaker 1: out that you're no different than your fans. You're just
Speaker 1: another person. Um. You know you've got that line in
Speaker 1: try This at Home that everybody really seems to resonate with.
Speaker 1: It really hits both of those topics. Games that's the
Speaker 1: same because that does something as rock stars as just
Speaker 1: people who play music, some of them just us and
Speaker 1: some of thematics it's a quick tign off to a stereo.
Speaker 1: They cot that, right, and yeah, you can do that.
Speaker 1: Since Kinny Off saying this country. I guess my question
Speaker 1: would be, as you're getting increasingly more famous, because it
Speaker 1: seems to be happening. I don't think you're an overnight
Speaker 1: success by any stretch of the imagination, but the last
Speaker 1: couple of years seemed like there's a real acceleration there.
Speaker 1: How is it hard to keep both those things that
Speaker 1: I think are really important to you, the community and
Speaker 1: the sense that you aren't different from your fans. That
Speaker 1: that seems like it's got to be getting harder to maintain. Um,
Speaker 1: you know it is, and it isn't. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: a funny thing. I have some feel like the world
Speaker 1: is expecting me to kind of give up on the
Speaker 1: things just because you know what I mean, just because
Speaker 1: that would sort of seem like now I would seem
Speaker 1: like the time to do it or whatever. And I'm
Speaker 1: kind of like, well, you know what, I need more
Speaker 1: specific reason for that. I mean, for example, like you know,
Speaker 1: my email just on my website and the whole time
Speaker 1: somebody summer goes, oh, now it's time to take that down,
Speaker 1: and you can't keep that going, can't stand all day
Speaker 1: kind of replying Sama and stuff, which I do, and
Speaker 1: it's like, well why not I mean, you know, I
Speaker 1: can if I want to, which I do so I will. Um.
Speaker 1: But I mean I think that you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: I have, I hopefully have various kind of measures to
Speaker 1: keep me grounded. I mean, the guys in my band
Speaker 1: will rip on me endlessly. That's everybody's favorite topic is
Speaker 1: taking the looking out of me um, And I just
Speaker 1: kind of trying my best not to think very hard
Speaker 1: about things like, you know, success and prestige and all
Speaker 1: that sort of thing. I like to just kind of
Speaker 1: concentrate on playing a good show and and you know,
Speaker 1: being being a good musician and a good performer and
Speaker 1: all that kind of thing, which is what I've always
Speaker 1: been trying to do. I think the other thing to
Speaker 1: say as well is that you know, I've got a
Speaker 1: bit of beer my bond about this. Lately. The word
Speaker 1: punk means million different things, and it's utterly boring to
Speaker 1: get into arguments over what punk rock actually means or
Speaker 1: what it's definition is. I've wasted my life arguing about that,
Speaker 1: and I'm not gonna bother doing it anymore. However, the
Speaker 1: thing is the thing that I kind of remind myself
Speaker 1: of and that it is still really important to me
Speaker 1: is when I was a kid, punk was sold to
Speaker 1: me as Hey, you you hate everybody around you, feel
Speaker 1: totally socially alienated and removed from from your peers and
Speaker 1: your peer group. Come to us, and you can be
Speaker 1: anybody you want. You can be will Will. It's it's safe,
Speaker 1: and it's kind, and it's non judgmental, and it's just
Speaker 1: this place where you can just be you. And that
Speaker 1: was so important to me when I was a kid.
Speaker 1: It was the idea of punk rock as a refuge
Speaker 1: and and that kind of vibe. Sometimes in various punk scenes,
Speaker 1: I think that gets kind of forgotten or put aside
Speaker 1: or lost in favor of whether it be sort of
Speaker 1: politics or aggression or or sarcasm or whatever. Um. But
Speaker 1: for me, that that's the most important thing about punk
Speaker 1: and I hope that a sense of that maintains at
Speaker 1: my shows, in the sense that it's not music for
Speaker 1: hit people. It's not music for a certain kind of
Speaker 1: demographic or social scene or kind of fashion trend or
Speaker 1: anything like that. I love the fink those people from
Speaker 1: all walks of life and come to my show. I
Speaker 1: don't consider myself to be cool. I'd never have done.
Speaker 1: And I don't want to make music for cool people.
Speaker 1: Cool people are welcome to come, But do you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, It's like it's it's supposed to be
Speaker 1: this kind of this is the community in the sense
Speaker 1: of it just being a kind of like, Hey, it's cool,
Speaker 1: you can be here and just be whoever you want
Speaker 1: to be and nobody's canna point anything to anybody. And
Speaker 1: that's the kind of vibe I want to get on
Speaker 1: my shows. Yeah, and I think you do. I'm I've
Speaker 1: got it probably about ten years on you, So I was.
Speaker 1: I was really more involved, kind of directly in those
Speaker 1: days when when punk and hardcore was sort of the
Speaker 1: d I Y scene was breaking here in the US,
Speaker 1: and so I remember those things very clearly. And the
Speaker 1: truth is, I haven't felt anything close to that since
Speaker 1: some of your recent shows that I've been at here,
Speaker 1: So I think you're you're doing a great job of
Speaker 1: keeping that together. I know for me, one of the
Speaker 1: things that that feeds my good wolf is h is music.
Speaker 1: And I mentioned earlier that your music is something that
Speaker 1: I turned to a lot. I don't think there's been
Speaker 1: a song written that I can remember that is more
Speaker 1: direct about the sort of the redemptive power of rock
Speaker 1: and roll than I still believe SA say less all
Speaker 1: after something's so simple, something so small, heard it though,
Speaker 1: after all it's rock and roll. My question for you
Speaker 1: would be, what do you listen to? What are the
Speaker 1: things that you turn to when you really need that
Speaker 1: sort of that lift or that that affirmation of life,
Speaker 1: those sort of things. M hm, well, I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: I could we we could get very specific and different
Speaker 1: kind of flavors of life affirmation that are required. And
Speaker 1: what I would go to from my rescipe the records,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, I listened to music a lot,
Speaker 1: and it's kind of I'm kind of a boring person.
Speaker 1: That's what I really care about his music, you know,
Speaker 1: in rock and roll specifically. I mean, my my absolutely
Speaker 1: go to band that I couldn't live without is a
Speaker 1: Canadian Canadian indie band called The Weak Events, who I
Speaker 1: just adore and and worship and love. And there's a
Speaker 1: kind of there's a warmth and and a friendliness to there.
Speaker 1: But but I mean it's intelligent, complex music that like
Speaker 1: there's just a kind of welcoming, forgiving kind of vibe
Speaker 1: to what they do that they love. There's a there's
Speaker 1: a line in one of their earlier songs where John
Speaker 1: the singer says, um, he says we're talented and bright,
Speaker 1: which means we're lonely and uptight. And I always thought
Speaker 1: that was such a wonderful line, you know, And and
Speaker 1: it's just so so many great lines in that song.
Speaker 1: He's like, you know, we've got this store boat way
Speaker 1: as saying we're okay and we've learned how to cry
Speaker 1: and total silence, and it's you know, oh glorious. I
Speaker 1: could go on about looking at it forever, but yeah,
Speaker 1: that definitely my go to the band excellent. Yeah, he's uh.
Speaker 1: I think he released a solo record a couple of
Speaker 1: years ago that was really good that I liked a lot.
Speaker 1: He did well. You know. Funny thing about that, I
Speaker 1: actually end up writing the press release for solo record
Speaker 1: because John sent me an advanced coffee of the album
Speaker 1: to see what I thought about the mix. I seem
Speaker 1: to remember, and I was like, whatever to the mix, man,
Speaker 1: this is some of the best songs I've heard in years,
Speaker 1: and um and yeah, I was really excited about it,
Speaker 1: and he asked them to write the press release for
Speaker 1: the record. So a great piece of work. Yeah, it is,
Speaker 1: it is excellent. You touched on it earlier a little bit. Um.
Speaker 1: This this this self destructive side of you know, and
Speaker 1: you've you've talked about it in various songs. Um, in
Speaker 1: perfect tense is one, recovery is another, this this the
Speaker 1: the the the self destructive tendencies and and there there
Speaker 1: is a balance in that right between the you know,
Speaker 1: the drinking and drugs are there's always a risk there
Speaker 1: and you've you've certainly shown signs of regret or concern.
Speaker 1: How do you feel. Do you feel like you're in
Speaker 1: an okay place with all that stuff now? Um? Yeah, mostly,
Speaker 1: I mean it's always a bit of a bouncing act. Um.
Speaker 1: I've certainly, I've certainly had my kind of my my
Speaker 1: times with with drinking drugs in particular. And it's a
Speaker 1: funny thing because there's that kind of weird kind of
Speaker 1: half light where it's supposed to be something that's fun,
Speaker 1: but at the same time I know that it's something
Speaker 1: that's quite damaging to me as a person. And also
Speaker 1: more specifically, I think one of the things is, you know,
Speaker 1: I make my living from my voice. I think anybody
Speaker 1: who's a singer is very very conscious about their voice
Speaker 1: at all times, and all that stuff destroys my voice
Speaker 1: that you wouldn't believe. And there are times, you know,
Speaker 1: if I get for long tour and I'm feeling really
Speaker 1: really pent up where that kind of stuff part of
Speaker 1: it is getting out of your head and sort of
Speaker 1: that relief or whatever, the part of it is actually
Speaker 1: kind of a sort of subconscious or conscious attempt to
Speaker 1: kind of damage the part of me that that makes
Speaker 1: my living, you know what I mean. And yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean I've I've had mine kind of up and downs
Speaker 1: of it. But I'm feeling pretty good at a minute.
Speaker 1: So h happy days excellent. You've you've had challenges the
Speaker 1: latest tour with your back. The song Losing Days is
Speaker 1: certainly as I'm getting older, I recognize that more and
Speaker 1: more time is just it is. It is completely getting
Speaker 1: getting away from me. Day used to take baking man
Speaker 1: greatness and song greatness. Yeah, I mean, I think something
Speaker 1: that kind of an idea that I'm kind of intrigued
Speaker 1: by him, and I think Losing Days was a first
Speaker 1: attempt to examine by wouldn't be at all surprised if
Speaker 1: it comes up again. It's just this idea that after
Speaker 1: a while that for me, the definition of youth is
Speaker 1: that point in your life when there are no limits
Speaker 1: of possibility could be anything, you know, I mean, there's
Speaker 1: still time to be an astronaut or a you know,
Speaker 1: an ice hockey player or an archaeologist or whatever, you know.
Speaker 1: And then there's that kind of I think, the part
Speaker 1: of kind of getting older as you suddenly realize that
Speaker 1: there is no way now in my life that there
Speaker 1: will ever be an astronaut. It's that that that avenue
Speaker 1: is closed to me. I'm too old, you know, if
Speaker 1: you even start trainings on that idea. And and that's
Speaker 1: a sort of that's an intriguing point in point to
Speaker 1: reach because suddenly that's the moment where self definition becomes irrevocable,
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? It's like you are
Speaker 1: the person you are, and that's who you're going to be,
Speaker 1: full stop, and there's no going back now. And and
Speaker 1: there's a line of losing days about small small ideas
Speaker 1: become commitments and things that perhaps even at the time
Speaker 1: when you were kind of getting into them, you weren't
Speaker 1: really thinking about them all that much. And me realize
Speaker 1: that's part that's you, that's it's never going to change.
Speaker 1: And I don't want to be really pessimistic about it,
Speaker 1: because I mean, at the same time, it's a question
Speaker 1: discovering who you are and who the person you'll be
Speaker 1: remembered as is. But um, it's it's an interesting moment
Speaker 1: in life to have that thing where you suddenly kind
Speaker 1: of go, yeah, you know, I'm I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm
Speaker 1: in the meat of the sandwich. Now I'm no longer
Speaker 1: in the bread, Like this is it, this is life exactly.
Speaker 1: I I agree with that. I still think at any
Speaker 1: point that we are in life, we've still got some latitude,
Speaker 1: but that latitude does shrink. And when you said that,
Speaker 1: it actually just hit me because what I talked to
Speaker 1: my kids about, you know, I I pushed them on
Speaker 1: getting good grades and all that boring parent ship and um,
Speaker 1: and when they when we talk about it, what the
Speaker 1: reason I say is, I want my I feel like
Speaker 1: my job as a parent is to keep all of
Speaker 1: your options is open as long as I can, so
Speaker 1: that you can make whatever choice you want to make
Speaker 1: when that time comes. And I hadn't realized until you
Speaker 1: just said that, why I sort of feel so uh
Speaker 1: passionate about that is because mine are certainly you know,
Speaker 1: a lot of them have closed, given given where I'm
Speaker 1: at age wise, that's an interesting concept. Yeah, yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1: You've got perhaps my favorite rider in your contract that
Speaker 1: I've ever heard of, which is you have a dog writer,
Speaker 1: which means that if anybody at the venue you're playing
Speaker 1: at has a dog, they need to bring him into
Speaker 1: work that day so you can play with them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: as as long as they're cool and comfortable with it.
Speaker 1: I know some people aren't comfortable with their dogs around
Speaker 1: other people, all being in the live music environment and
Speaker 1: that kind of thing. But yeah, I grew up with
Speaker 1: a lot of dogs in my life and I'm absolutely
Speaker 1: a doordogs and um, it's just there's no way that
Speaker 1: I could have my own dog with the way that
Speaker 1: I live at the moment. You know, I'm away months
Speaker 1: at the time most of the year. It just doesn't
Speaker 1: make any sense. Um. I mean, I've got a few
Speaker 1: friends who have dogs, and I'm a regular visitor around
Speaker 1: there is when I get home. But it was kind
Speaker 1: of a cool idea that my torments are had, and
Speaker 1: it's because quite a lot of the time I get
Speaker 1: to hang out with dogs and that's very cute. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's great. My my partner here and I between us,
Speaker 1: we've got five of them in our houses. So if
Speaker 1: you come to Columbus again, we can we can shower
Speaker 1: you and because I imagine Okay, excellent, that sounds delightful.
Speaker 1: One last question. You're working on a on a new record.
Speaker 1: Any idea when we might see that. Yeah, I'm hoping
Speaker 1: to get the new record finished by the end of
Speaker 1: this year and out at the very started. Next is
Speaker 1: the idea. I mean, I'm very excited about it. Actually,
Speaker 1: we've got a lot of kind of in my opinion,
Speaker 1: really strong material together, and the guys and the Sleeping
Speaker 1: Souls my band were kind of um, yeah, we're sort
Speaker 1: of working up new songs and sound checks right now.
Speaker 1: That's what I was doing just for this conversation. And yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's an exciting time. I think that they're going
Speaker 1: to be I think it's gonna be a strong record. Um,
Speaker 1: And it's kind of it's sort of a relief to
Speaker 1: me that I still have things that I'm really excited
Speaker 1: and passionate about saying. There's no sense of me forcing
Speaker 1: myself to bother to write new songs or whatever it's
Speaker 1: like these. Yeah, you know, I'm excited. I'm pumped for it.
Speaker 1: Um so yeah, I mean hopefully beginning next year with
Speaker 1: another record and and it'll be it'll be a good
Speaker 1: I hope. Well, I'm I'm definitely looking forward to it. Uh.
Speaker 1: I'll let you get back to working on that. That's
Speaker 1: probably more important than yapping with me. If you do
Speaker 1: one thing, tell Nigel that I think he's the best
Speaker 1: drummer in rock and roll today. For me, I would
Speaker 1: appreciate that. I will I happen to agree and I
Speaker 1: will tell him that. All right, Well, thank you very much, Frank.
Speaker 1: It's been a pleasure having you on. Yeah. Thanks, thanks
Speaker 1: for chatting to me. Okay, take care bye. You can
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