WEBVTT - Ep. 593: Patience is a Good Hunter, with Will Primos 0:00:08.920 --> 0:00:13.320 This is the Meat Eater Podcast coming at you shirtless, severely, 0:00:13.480 --> 0:00:18.360 bug bitten, and in my case, underwear listening podcast. You 0:00:18.360 --> 0:00:19.360 can't predict anything. 0:00:20.120 --> 0:00:22.800 The Meat Eater Podcast is brought to you by First Light. 0:00:23.000 --> 0:00:26.079 Whether you're checking trail cams, hanging deer stands, or scouting 0:00:26.120 --> 0:00:29.560 for el, First Light has performance apparel to support every 0:00:29.640 --> 0:00:32.400 hunter in every environment. Check it out at first light 0:00:32.520 --> 0:00:35.640 dot com. F I R S T L I T 0:00:35.800 --> 0:00:36.800 E dot com. 0:00:40.240 --> 0:00:40.360 Uh. 0:00:40.760 --> 0:00:42.400 I normally like to when we're starting the show, I 0:00:42.440 --> 0:00:46.000 normally introduce I find myself. I introduced guests like, uh, 0:00:46.040 --> 0:00:50.880 like I'm dealing poker m hm clockwise if I'm gonna 0:00:50.880 --> 0:00:53.040 do it counterclockwise because I want to end on a finale. 0:00:54.320 --> 0:00:59.080 Giannis is here, Seth is here, Krinn, doctor Randall, Corey 0:00:59.200 --> 0:01:04.520 is here, and Will Primos nice to be here. You're 0:01:04.560 --> 0:01:05.000 one of my. 0:01:06.720 --> 0:01:06.840 UH. 0:01:07.200 --> 0:01:09.000 I don't want to. I don't want to get off 0:01:09.000 --> 0:01:11.560 on the wrong foot by overdoing it. You're one of 0:01:11.560 --> 0:01:16.120 my he you're one of my communication heroes. And let 0:01:16.160 --> 0:01:20.479 me tell you more about why that is. Okay. You've 0:01:20.520 --> 0:01:25.840 been making products for hunters for your whole life, and 0:01:25.880 --> 0:01:31.040 you've been talking to hunters for your whole life, yep, 0:01:32.080 --> 0:01:36.960 eye to eye. You don't talk down to hunters. You 0:01:37.000 --> 0:01:43.200 don't talk, you don't criticize, you don't talk negative. You 0:01:43.360 --> 0:01:48.520 have an infectious enthusiasm about the hunt. You have an 0:01:48.520 --> 0:01:54.160 infectious enthusiasm about wildlife. You have an infectious enthusiasm about 0:01:54.200 --> 0:01:58.880 your family, about the people around you. You celebrate everyone 0:01:58.920 --> 0:02:03.120 around you. You don't bring people down. You've been doing 0:02:03.160 --> 0:02:04.320 this how many years? 0:02:05.000 --> 0:02:07.639 I'm seventy two. I started the company in nineteen seventy 0:02:07.680 --> 0:02:08.840 six when I was twenty four. 0:02:09.440 --> 0:02:14.560 I've never heard I've never heard a single person say 0:02:14.600 --> 0:02:16.080 a single negative word about you. 0:02:16.280 --> 0:02:18.880 Oh my gosh, Okay, that's awesome. 0:02:19.919 --> 0:02:21.919 Let me tell you something that don't happen. Yeah. 0:02:21.960 --> 0:02:24.560 Well, one time I killed this big deer, really big 0:02:24.600 --> 0:02:29.119 deer in Mississippi. And my wife goes, have you been 0:02:29.160 --> 0:02:31.520 on the internet? Have you seen what they're saying about you? 0:02:32.040 --> 0:02:35.600 And I'm going no, And she says, well you ought to. 0:02:35.680 --> 0:02:37.680 I said it don't matter what that what? 0:02:37.800 --> 0:02:38.720 By the way, what are they say? 0:02:38.760 --> 0:02:40.119 And they said, well, you killed it in a pin, 0:02:40.240 --> 0:02:42.280 you raised it in a one acre pin, and then 0:02:42.280 --> 0:02:45.320 finally killed it. I said, Okay, she says, you're not 0:02:45.320 --> 0:02:46.320 going to go and answer that. 0:02:46.400 --> 0:02:51.160 He says, no, you know, because we'll primos don't do that. Yeah, 0:02:51.880 --> 0:02:54.200 it don't exist. So I ain't worried about it. And 0:02:54.280 --> 0:02:54.919 it goes away. 0:02:55.360 --> 0:02:57.720 But you know, I'm sure somebody says something bad somewhere, 0:02:57.760 --> 0:03:01.400 but you know, the you know, the camera doesn't love everybody. 0:03:01.840 --> 0:03:04.280 And I didn't want to be I didn't want to 0:03:04.280 --> 0:03:07.399 become some known hunting person. That's not wasn't my goal. 0:03:07.480 --> 0:03:10.000 My goal was to make a living. My goal was 0:03:10.040 --> 0:03:12.960 to share my love of the outdoors with others and 0:03:13.000 --> 0:03:15.120 get them to love it and hopefully want to protect it, 0:03:15.440 --> 0:03:17.160 because if you protect what you love. 0:03:17.560 --> 0:03:19.160 Yeah, so if I. 0:03:19.080 --> 0:03:21.799 Can go out there and share il cunting and share 0:03:22.080 --> 0:03:24.960 waterfowl in the green timber or just wherever we are 0:03:25.440 --> 0:03:29.280 turkey hunting, you know, just whatever it is, if I 0:03:29.280 --> 0:03:31.040 can share that and you can fall in love with it, 0:03:31.040 --> 0:03:33.520 then you'll want to protect it. And it's all about habitat. 0:03:33.880 --> 0:03:35.480 If we don't have the habitat, you ain't got the 0:03:35.520 --> 0:03:39.760 critters they take. Each animal takes a certain quality of 0:03:39.800 --> 0:03:43.120 habitat to thrive. And so that was kind of my goal. 0:03:43.640 --> 0:03:45.840 And as I went and began to go through it, 0:03:45.880 --> 0:03:48.200 and began to get a little bit of win in 0:03:48.240 --> 0:03:49.960 my sale and understand that I might be able to 0:03:49.960 --> 0:03:51.960 make a real company out of this thing I was 0:03:51.960 --> 0:03:58.200 trying to do. I came on a realization that if 0:03:58.240 --> 0:04:01.160 you can let people have the opportunity to know you, 0:04:02.240 --> 0:04:04.760 then you have the opportunity for people to like you. 0:04:05.880 --> 0:04:07.080 Now you're you're. 0:04:06.960 --> 0:04:10.720 Gambling, because if they don't, you've really you've really kind 0:04:10.720 --> 0:04:15.240 of hurt yourself. And so the key to that is 0:04:15.280 --> 0:04:19.520 to keep your ego out of it. And that was 0:04:19.560 --> 0:04:22.320 the secret behind Primos. When we hired people and we 0:04:22.400 --> 0:04:24.640 had people and it was all about them, and because 0:04:24.640 --> 0:04:27.400 everybody got to hunt, it wasn't about Will Primos. Everybody 0:04:27.400 --> 0:04:29.159 got to hunt. When we went, we went, we went. 0:04:29.520 --> 0:04:32.039 I would hunt usually first, and I didn't wait for 0:04:32.080 --> 0:04:33.400 the biggest one. 0:04:33.720 --> 0:04:39.679 Did a Cory Well for folks not watching, uh Phiel 0:04:39.800 --> 0:04:44.640 just gestured to uh Corey, who sorry, Will just gestured 0:04:44.680 --> 0:04:46.719 to Corey. And you guys a hunted together, which we'll 0:04:46.760 --> 0:04:47.480 talk about. 0:04:47.400 --> 0:04:47.880 Yeah we have. 0:04:48.320 --> 0:04:50.479 So so anyway, you can't wait. So you can't wait 0:04:50.520 --> 0:04:52.360 for the biggest one. If there's somebody behind you and 0:04:52.360 --> 0:04:55.480 you only got five day window to try to fill tags, 0:04:55.920 --> 0:04:59.080 and so I wouldn't kill the first thing that was 0:04:59.120 --> 0:05:02.480 decent and let the person hunt. Yep, yeah, I'll never forget. 0:05:02.680 --> 0:05:04.360 I forget what year of the fire was up there 0:05:04.400 --> 0:05:07.920 at the c two thousand and one or nineteen ninety 0:05:08.000 --> 0:05:11.640 nine or somewhere. Anyway, we were hunting, I begive this 0:05:11.720 --> 0:05:14.960 first day was September seventeenth. We were hunting the bar None, 0:05:14.960 --> 0:05:19.159 which was next to the C eight, and early snowstorm came. 0:05:19.480 --> 0:05:21.560 We were staying in the old schoolhouse on the bar 0:05:21.680 --> 0:05:26.119 None at ted Turner's place, and so we're staying there 0:05:26.279 --> 0:05:29.720 and it's seventeen degrees and my wife says, I'm not going. 0:05:30.320 --> 0:05:33.599 So we got in the suburban with our special tires 0:05:33.640 --> 0:05:35.480 that we had put on for all our rental cars 0:05:35.760 --> 0:05:38.320 and went up the mountain and got up there. Couldn't 0:05:38.320 --> 0:05:42.160 find an out. Brad Ferris has said, will, I'm gonna 0:05:42.200 --> 0:05:44.560 hunt first, and I'm gonna kill the first thing I see, 0:05:44.600 --> 0:05:46.520 so that you could have the rest of the time 0:05:46.800 --> 0:05:49.119 to try to kill a big one. I said, Okay, 0:05:50.040 --> 0:05:52.599 can't finding out they've left. There's so much snow. There's 0:05:52.640 --> 0:05:55.320 two feet of snow. We're pushing snow in front of 0:05:55.360 --> 0:05:57.320 the vehicle. We're coming down and I see this elk 0:05:57.360 --> 0:06:00.320 and he's been over feeding on something in the snow. 0:06:01.040 --> 0:06:03.120 You can see his head down and he's about one 0:06:03.200 --> 0:06:06.320 hundred and fifty yards away. And the winch r Wife 0:06:06.400 --> 0:06:09.320 was wor in a minute, and they went and he 0:06:09.880 --> 0:06:12.320 threw his head up and I went, oh, my gosh, 0:06:12.520 --> 0:06:15.840 it's a big l I said, okay, buddy, look, look 0:06:15.960 --> 0:06:18.840 nobody they didn't. Nobody saw him. He got spooked and 0:06:18.880 --> 0:06:19.279 went down. 0:06:19.279 --> 0:06:19.480 He went. 0:06:19.480 --> 0:06:21.400 As soon as he went down, I said, bail, let's go. 0:06:21.960 --> 0:06:22.280 We went. 0:06:22.320 --> 0:06:24.240 After we got over there, he's going up hill. He's 0:06:24.279 --> 0:06:27.360 about forty yards away. So I'm running the camera. So 0:06:27.839 --> 0:06:29.520 I sat down with the camera. At the same time 0:06:29.560 --> 0:06:30.560 I got on the hyper lip. 0:06:30.760 --> 0:06:34.200 Yeah yeah. 0:06:34.279 --> 0:06:37.000 He turned around and started coming. Brad scrambled him. He's 0:06:37.000 --> 0:06:40.680 putting his release on getting he's getting ready. So this 0:06:40.839 --> 0:06:43.720 elk comes up there and Brad won't shoot. He won't shoot. 0:06:43.760 --> 0:06:45.680 So I got my range finder out of my vest 0:06:45.680 --> 0:06:48.880 and I ranged him. I said fifty five. The elk stops, 0:06:48.920 --> 0:06:54.520 turns round and walks sixty. Brad nails him at sixty yards. 0:06:54.960 --> 0:06:57.680 Brad turned, he runs about twenty five yards and falls 0:06:57.680 --> 0:07:01.760 over dead and rests. You think you'll go three thirty, 0:07:01.800 --> 0:07:05.440 said Brad. You just killed a four hundred inch elk, 0:07:05.880 --> 0:07:06.520 He goes. 0:07:06.440 --> 0:07:07.240 Are you kidding me? 0:07:08.000 --> 0:07:09.920 I never saw what elk the rest of the trip, 0:07:10.040 --> 0:07:11.960 so Brad was gonna kill the first one he saw, 0:07:11.960 --> 0:07:17.040 and he did. But you know, it's not about you. 0:07:17.120 --> 0:07:20.440 It's about sharing. It's about being there, it's about loving it. 0:07:20.440 --> 0:07:23.480 It's about teaching people how much fun we can have 0:07:23.560 --> 0:07:25.520 out there, being a part of what God created, and 0:07:25.560 --> 0:07:28.440 watching elk be elk during the rut and watching white 0:07:28.480 --> 0:07:31.239 tails do it, and watching turkeys do it, and watching 0:07:31.320 --> 0:07:35.040 ducks in their migration, and just being able to be 0:07:35.160 --> 0:07:39.120 enthusiastic and share that and help other people get to 0:07:39.200 --> 0:07:42.320 that spot. Some are more talented than others, some have 0:07:42.840 --> 0:07:45.200 whatever might keep them from being as successful. But you 0:07:45.240 --> 0:07:47.280 don't look down on them, You're right, You just you 0:07:47.320 --> 0:07:48.240 help them rise up. 0:07:48.960 --> 0:07:51.960 Yanny, tell Williams what you used to tell me about 0:07:53.120 --> 0:07:55.160 the Truth video series. 0:07:57.520 --> 0:07:59.480 I don't know how it was hugely. 0:08:00.440 --> 0:08:03.760 You're talking about going down and checking at Walmart see 0:08:03.760 --> 0:08:04.640 if they were out yet. 0:08:05.360 --> 0:08:07.960 Oh right, pre internet? 0:08:08.400 --> 0:08:11.000 Yeah, yeah, I would go to the Walmart every two 0:08:11.160 --> 0:08:13.800 or three days. You got them New Truth videos yet 0:08:13.920 --> 0:08:15.560 you know, and they look at me like the what 0:08:16.080 --> 0:08:19.280 you know? Because you know, we were in Avon, Colorado. 0:08:19.320 --> 0:08:20.920 I don't know if you ever passed through there. That's 0:08:20.920 --> 0:08:24.080 where the Walmart was there in Colorado. But oftentimes that 0:08:24.120 --> 0:08:27.440 department might not have somebody that actually knew anything about 0:08:27.440 --> 0:08:28.040 elk hunting. 0:08:28.760 --> 0:08:30.360 I be like, yeah, it's about. 0:08:30.080 --> 0:08:33.480 This big, it's gonna be kind of green, it's gonna 0:08:33.480 --> 0:08:34.719 say the truth on it. 0:08:35.400 --> 0:08:36.920 Can you call me when it gets here? 0:08:37.080 --> 0:08:40.640 Yeah, let's go back to the beginning. And and and 0:08:40.720 --> 0:08:43.240 in the beginning, you were born with very crooked fingers, 0:08:43.520 --> 0:08:45.440 my little peaky fingers. Shout those off. 0:08:45.760 --> 0:08:47.760 I don't know from my mother, my mother's side of 0:08:47.760 --> 0:08:49.559 the family, there's an extra boat in therere shaped like 0:08:49.600 --> 0:08:50.719 a triangle. 0:08:50.400 --> 0:08:54.200 From south right. Huh south from the south. Yeah, well, 0:08:54.600 --> 0:08:57.920 my mother, this probably is from her Irish shide of 0:08:57.920 --> 0:08:59.120 her heritage. 0:08:59.400 --> 0:09:03.640 I'm fifty Greek, and yeah, that's where a primo. 0:09:03.760 --> 0:09:05.800 That's where that makes more sense. 0:09:05.960 --> 0:09:08.920 That's where primos come from. My daddy was half French 0:09:09.160 --> 0:09:12.319 and half Greek. Okay, he was a freak. 0:09:13.640 --> 0:09:15.599 That's what he said. That's what he told me. My 0:09:15.679 --> 0:09:17.800 daddy just passed away at ninety eight World War two 0:09:17.880 --> 0:09:18.800 vet hell of a guy. 0:09:19.120 --> 0:09:20.959 I'm telling you what, no kid, you know, kid and 0:09:21.240 --> 0:09:21.840 wonderful man. 0:09:21.880 --> 0:09:22.800 And your mom's still alive. 0:09:22.920 --> 0:09:23.960 Yeah she's ninety seven. 0:09:24.080 --> 0:09:27.240 Yeah wow. Yeah, but anyway, had a lot of turkey 0:09:27.320 --> 0:09:27.920 meat or something. 0:09:28.080 --> 0:09:29.079 Oh yeah, a lot. 0:09:30.400 --> 0:09:32.719 So you were born out with crooked pink. Yeah. But 0:09:32.800 --> 0:09:33.560 they don't get in the way. 0:09:33.600 --> 0:09:36.679 And I don't worry about him, but some some people 0:09:36.880 --> 0:09:38.559 have to know all about him, like people like you. 0:09:39.400 --> 0:09:43.000 First thing, I asked you, right, when I meet someone, 0:09:43.000 --> 0:09:44.959 I always checks if they got ten fingers there you go. 0:09:45.080 --> 0:09:47.480 And in my account, I was like, wow, he's got nine, 0:09:47.559 --> 0:09:48.400 he's got ten, but. 0:09:48.559 --> 0:09:51.040 But one looks at off. So yeah, yeah type and 0:09:51.040 --> 0:09:54.760 I got it in something. No, I've done that too. 0:09:54.920 --> 0:09:55.079 Well. 0:09:55.559 --> 0:09:57.000 Yeah, So did your dad hunt? 0:09:57.720 --> 0:10:01.719 My dad was a it was a depression child, you know. 0:10:01.920 --> 0:10:04.920 He he went through the Depression, He went through World 0:10:04.920 --> 0:10:08.040 War two. He was a navigator in the Pacific and 0:10:08.360 --> 0:10:11.280 lot never had a dime and was always working to 0:10:11.360 --> 0:10:13.880 support his family to take care. So yes, he hunted, 0:10:14.360 --> 0:10:17.400 but it was very limited. But I'll never forget. 0:10:17.800 --> 0:10:21.160 I was six years old, double barrel, side by side 0:10:21.280 --> 0:10:24.559 fox that he paid ten dollars for us Model B 0:10:25.000 --> 0:10:27.679 Fox double trigger. I'm not familiar with that gun. 0:10:27.880 --> 0:10:30.320 It's a side by side made by Fox. But anyway, 0:10:30.960 --> 0:10:34.440 we walked out the back door and we went squirrel hunting. 0:10:34.720 --> 0:10:37.439 I was so excited to go squirrel and my daddy 0:10:37.480 --> 0:10:39.520 sees a nest. He goes, let's see if there's a 0:10:39.600 --> 0:10:40.280 squirrel in there. 0:10:41.480 --> 0:10:43.960 God, they go red squirrel. 0:10:43.679 --> 0:10:44.800 Comes flying out of that nest. 0:10:44.880 --> 0:10:50.560 That is a hammer. That was a fox squirrel. Yeah. Yeah, 0:10:50.600 --> 0:10:53.280 this is just a little joke with us because in 0:10:53.360 --> 0:10:55.160 the South, like we have a red squirrel, in the 0:10:55.240 --> 0:10:59.520 North a pine squirrel. Okay, and in the South they confuse. 0:10:59.679 --> 0:11:03.000 You got confused Yankees because when you tell Yankees that 0:11:03.080 --> 0:11:06.480 you got a red squirrel, I'm picturing what we call 0:11:06.600 --> 0:11:10.000 red squirrel with the tailor out with that No, with 0:11:10.160 --> 0:11:12.199 his tail he's how long is the pine squirrel? 0:11:12.280 --> 0:11:15.119 Well, the same little pine squirrel that runs around out west. 0:11:17.080 --> 0:11:19.079 The one that gives me away when I'm sitting there college, 0:11:20.040 --> 0:11:22.760 like he's always chittering at you, like that's a red 0:11:22.920 --> 0:11:25.600 Like we'll hear red squirrel. So when you guys from 0:11:25.640 --> 0:11:28.320 the South are getting red squirrels and you're talking to Yankees. 0:11:28.640 --> 0:11:30.360 Yankees are thinking that you're getting little. 0:11:31.840 --> 0:11:33.760 Our squirrels are twice that big. They got a big 0:11:33.800 --> 0:11:34.400 white face. 0:11:34.600 --> 0:11:39.000 Yep, that red squirrel. Yeah, that red squirrel. Uh. So 0:11:39.559 --> 0:11:42.840 was your So did your folks your folks were us 0:11:42.960 --> 0:11:46.520 born though, Oh yeah, they're they're us born. Yeah, got it. 0:11:47.080 --> 0:11:49.640 And you would get and he would do uh some 0:11:49.800 --> 0:11:50.600 little bit of hunting. 0:11:50.679 --> 0:11:53.520 Oh yeah, girl hunting, dove hunting, take me duck hunting, 0:11:54.040 --> 0:11:56.160 duck cutting on the river. We didn't do any serious 0:11:56.320 --> 0:11:59.319 waterfowl hunting. That was left up to my uncles. My 0:11:59.440 --> 0:12:02.800 uncles were all interested in playing. I had four uncles 0:12:02.880 --> 0:12:07.760 and they were awesome, and they they took me serious 0:12:07.880 --> 0:12:10.360 waterfowl And when I was eleven years old, that's the 0:12:10.400 --> 0:12:12.360 first time I stood in twelve inches of water in 0:12:12.440 --> 0:12:15.200 green timber and watched two hundred matters come down. 0:12:15.080 --> 0:12:18.280 Through the trees. And I was, I was, I was? 0:12:18.520 --> 0:12:23.120 That was it? So you had some serious experiences, ah young, Yeah? Yeah? 0:12:23.480 --> 0:12:23.560 Uh. 0:12:23.720 --> 0:12:25.760 Do those guys make calls? Like how did you get 0:12:25.800 --> 0:12:26.839 interested in making calls? 0:12:27.160 --> 0:12:30.280 So, my uncle Gus was a great caller and he 0:12:30.679 --> 0:12:33.680 blew ay Jake Gardner's single red call guy from Uncus, 0:12:33.840 --> 0:12:37.000 who was friends with Chicken Major's famous call maker, and 0:12:38.280 --> 0:12:41.520 so I took that call and my daddy had a 0:12:41.600 --> 0:12:44.240 lathe and I just tried to copy it. And that 0:12:44.440 --> 0:12:47.160 started my game calling desire to figure out how to 0:12:47.240 --> 0:12:48.559 make things that made sounds. 0:12:50.240 --> 0:12:52.280 When you say you took a leave, like, explain that 0:12:52.360 --> 0:12:53.360 to people that might not. 0:12:54.800 --> 0:12:56.599 You chuck a piece of wood into it and you 0:12:56.720 --> 0:12:58.640 turn it to shape it like you want, and then 0:12:58.679 --> 0:12:59.640 you drill out the center. 0:13:00.280 --> 0:13:01.760 Uh, you've got to make the soundboard. 0:13:01.920 --> 0:13:04.920 You've got to figure out the curve and how how 0:13:05.000 --> 0:13:08.360 to make the cork hold it in place. Well, the 0:13:08.440 --> 0:13:11.239 cork is a wedge that holds the reed to the soundboard. 0:13:11.480 --> 0:13:13.920 What's the what's the reed gonna be made out of? 0:13:14.960 --> 0:13:15.760 The reds? Are we? 0:13:15.920 --> 0:13:19.400 We in the old days were very limited in the products. 0:13:19.480 --> 0:13:23.320 But when when I started in seventy six doing stuff, 0:13:23.400 --> 0:13:27.400 we were borrowing from the medical industry and the automotive industry, 0:13:27.600 --> 0:13:32.240 any any technology that we could to building into game 0:13:32.320 --> 0:13:34.880 call So my lar became. 0:13:34.800 --> 0:13:38.960 The reed of choice. My Lar, Yeah, uh for for reeds. 0:13:39.440 --> 0:13:42.679 But you have a spool, and so most people think 0:13:42.720 --> 0:13:45.200 where you would stamp the read out with the length 0:13:45.240 --> 0:13:46.920 of the spool, Well, if you do that, there's a 0:13:47.040 --> 0:13:50.640 huge curve in the reed which totally changes the sound. 0:13:50.800 --> 0:13:52.599 Oh well, you'll never get that curve out of it, 0:13:52.920 --> 0:13:53.280 that's right. 0:13:53.400 --> 0:13:56.400 So you've got to You've got to stamp it crossways. 0:13:57.080 --> 0:13:59.719 And then if you stamp it on the outside of 0:13:59.760 --> 0:14:03.280 the there's a slight bow in that reed, And if 0:14:03.320 --> 0:14:05.800 you stamp it out of the center where it's called 0:14:05.840 --> 0:14:09.640 up in the center, there's a much tighter that totally 0:14:09.760 --> 0:14:10.760 changes the sound of the call. 0:14:10.960 --> 0:14:12.600 And you can't press that bow out of there by 0:14:12.640 --> 0:14:13.920 getting a little warm or something. 0:14:14.360 --> 0:14:16.120 You can try, but I was never able to do it. 0:14:16.720 --> 0:14:19.040 And whether it's upside down or right side up on 0:14:19.160 --> 0:14:20.320 the soundboard. 0:14:19.920 --> 0:14:23.080 Makes a huge difference to So can you nowadays just 0:14:23.200 --> 0:14:27.080 get it flat? I don't know. I couldn't do it. 0:14:27.760 --> 0:14:31.560 Couldn't get it flat when you were doing that? Why 0:14:31.600 --> 0:14:32.640 did your dad have a lathe? 0:14:33.600 --> 0:14:37.760 He just ThReD a woodworking shop. He was turning and 0:14:37.840 --> 0:14:40.680 building would just as a hobby, building stuff all the time. 0:14:42.000 --> 0:14:42.800 He built tops. 0:14:42.840 --> 0:14:45.640 You put him in a box and tie a string 0:14:45.720 --> 0:14:48.200 around and pull the little top, go around and bunce 0:14:48.240 --> 0:14:50.880 around and knock stuff over. He's always doing. 0:14:50.760 --> 0:14:53.160 Stuff like that. God who'd you sell your first call to? 0:14:54.640 --> 0:14:54.760 Uh? 0:14:54.880 --> 0:14:55.520 Buck Deerman? 0:14:57.480 --> 0:14:58.200 I don't know who that is. 0:14:58.400 --> 0:15:00.440 Buck Derman was a friend of mine. He courage old 0:15:00.440 --> 0:15:03.880 as a buddy years okay, yeah, and he he encouraged 0:15:03.920 --> 0:15:06.440 me because the calls he had, the turkey calls he had, 0:15:06.480 --> 0:15:09.400 were following apart. And he said, look, you can do this. 0:15:10.520 --> 0:15:12.040 I said, I can't do that. I don't know nothing 0:15:12.080 --> 0:15:14.640 about making no turkey call. He goes, yes, you can. 0:15:15.120 --> 0:15:17.960 So I went to work and built one in box call, 0:15:18.440 --> 0:15:21.160 no mouthcoll. You did those first, that was the first. 0:15:21.360 --> 0:15:21.840 What you made. 0:15:22.120 --> 0:15:23.880 It was a It was a double read. It had 0:15:23.920 --> 0:15:26.000 two reads stacked on top of each other. They were 0:15:26.200 --> 0:15:27.800 the reads were an eighth of an inch apart. 0:15:29.520 --> 0:15:31.440 And you made that before you made a wood call. 0:15:31.600 --> 0:15:35.640 That's right, huh would you? Would you? How you build that? 0:15:36.680 --> 0:15:38.280 How do I build the You just one and got 0:15:38.360 --> 0:15:42.080 like prophylactic latex, and well you'd go back then we 0:15:42.160 --> 0:15:44.960 called them rubbers. They weren't called prophylactics because that dirt. 0:15:45.040 --> 0:15:47.320 That word didn't exist where kids they were called, that 0:15:47.560 --> 0:15:48.280 word exists. 0:15:48.560 --> 0:15:50.520 And so we go to your tooth brush. Your toothbrush 0:15:50.600 --> 0:15:53.280 is a prophylactic. It's a disease prevention. 0:15:53.040 --> 0:15:55.720 To understand that. But anyway, so we'd go to the 0:15:55.760 --> 0:15:57.840 service station because you could not buy them in a 0:15:57.920 --> 0:16:00.760 drug store. They weren't on the count yet, only given 0:16:00.960 --> 0:16:04.000 like a prescription, so you you weren't allowed to buy. 0:16:04.840 --> 0:16:07.200 So you go to the service station and you'd buy 0:16:07.400 --> 0:16:09.480 whatever they had, and most of them were lubricated. 0:16:09.840 --> 0:16:11.400 Now would you go be like, hey, I want you 0:16:11.440 --> 0:16:13.480 to get the wrong idea. I'm making turkey calls here. 0:16:13.840 --> 0:16:15.120 Well not, there's a story about that. 0:16:15.240 --> 0:16:19.600 Ok So, finally I went to Daddy and I said, Daddy, 0:16:19.680 --> 0:16:22.040 I finally figured out which one of these rubbers works 0:16:22.040 --> 0:16:25.080 are the best, and it's not lubricated, and I need 0:16:25.200 --> 0:16:26.560 to order them from the pharmacists. 0:16:26.960 --> 0:16:30.280 But I'm only seventeen or however old I was. I said, 0:16:30.520 --> 0:16:32.920 would you call mister park in the Parking's pharmacy and. 0:16:33.120 --> 0:16:34.360 Order me a case? 0:16:35.080 --> 0:16:36.960 He said, be glad to so. 0:16:37.480 --> 0:16:37.760 Okay. 0:16:37.880 --> 0:16:45.560 So they called me and said you're rubbers are in. Okay. 0:16:46.080 --> 0:16:48.600 I went down there, walked up to the counter. Mister 0:16:48.640 --> 0:16:51.240 Parker put him on the counter, and my my counselor 0:16:51.240 --> 0:16:52.320 from high school, Miss. 0:16:52.160 --> 0:16:56.200 Breelin, walked up. He knew he knew you know. 0:16:56.640 --> 0:16:57.880 So he looked at me, and he looked at her, 0:16:57.920 --> 0:16:59.640 and he handed them to me, and he goes, you 0:16:59.680 --> 0:17:02.000 can pay at the girl up front, and I went okay. 0:17:02.400 --> 0:17:05.360 So Hays Brayley took off up front and his little 0:17:05.359 --> 0:17:07.159 blond headed, blue eyed girl up there. He had a 0:17:07.160 --> 0:17:09.399 little job as a cashier. I put him on the 0:17:09.480 --> 0:17:11.199 accounter there and she looked there and she goes, we're 0:17:11.240 --> 0:17:15.560 having a party at the grove tonight. And I said, 0:17:15.560 --> 0:17:18.680 you don't understand. I'm making turkey calls out of these. 0:17:18.960 --> 0:17:20.800 And she said, you can come anyway. 0:17:24.280 --> 0:17:27.960 That's a true story. How long you been married? 0:17:28.440 --> 0:17:30.720 I've married thirty four years. It's a second marriage for 0:17:30.840 --> 0:17:31.200 Mary and I. 0:17:31.400 --> 0:17:33.679 We have no children. We mean a second marriage. 0:17:34.760 --> 0:17:34.840 Ye. 0:17:35.040 --> 0:17:37.200 You haven't married the same person twice, but you've been married. 0:17:37.200 --> 0:17:39.840 Oh you know, I was married once before it didn't 0:17:39.880 --> 0:17:40.240 work out. 0:17:40.560 --> 0:17:43.119 How long you married the first time? Fourteen years? On paper, 0:17:44.680 --> 0:17:47.040 it's a good chunk of time. Yeah, but then you 0:17:47.119 --> 0:17:47.920 knew it wasn't right. 0:17:48.240 --> 0:17:50.720 Oh, I knew it long before that. Yeah. 0:17:50.800 --> 0:17:52.679 That's an interesting way to put it on paper. 0:17:52.880 --> 0:17:56.360 Yeah, that's a qualification that goes a long way. 0:17:56.960 --> 0:18:00.240 Yeah. Uh So this guy asked you to come a 0:18:00.280 --> 0:18:04.919 turkey call. Yeah, and you get your robbers, you get 0:18:04.960 --> 0:18:05.719 some aluminum. 0:18:06.040 --> 0:18:10.600 I got some beer in ten beer cans to walk 0:18:10.640 --> 0:18:11.000 me through it. 0:18:12.080 --> 0:18:13.600 Well, you at first, you got to shape it. 0:18:13.640 --> 0:18:16.399 You gotta side. Everybody's mouth is different. That's one of 0:18:16.440 --> 0:18:19.000 the problems with turkey cars. Some people have very narrow palette. 0:18:19.040 --> 0:18:21.040 Some people have very high palette. Some people have wide 0:18:21.080 --> 0:18:25.800 palettes and low so the mouth is huge. So I 0:18:25.840 --> 0:18:28.280 can look at somebody's face and have a pretty good idea, 0:18:28.640 --> 0:18:30.480 but I'll have them lean back and open their mouth 0:18:30.520 --> 0:18:32.720 and look at their palette because they tell me they're 0:18:32.760 --> 0:18:35.119 having trouble that gag or this. Some people have a 0:18:35.359 --> 0:18:40.200 short throat, short pallet, and that those people gag a 0:18:40.200 --> 0:18:42.000 whole lot more than the people that have what I 0:18:42.080 --> 0:18:43.159 call it a normal palette. 0:18:43.760 --> 0:18:46.720 So so you can eyeball someone's palette and then make 0:18:46.760 --> 0:18:50.480 a recommendation yeah, yeah, and so so then you start 0:18:50.680 --> 0:18:53.840 trying to get that to fit so that that call 0:18:54.040 --> 0:18:56.840 becomes the roof of the mouth and once you can. 0:18:57.200 --> 0:18:59.639