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Speaker 1: I normally like to when we're starting the show, I

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Speaker 1: normally introduce I find myself. I introduced guests like, uh,

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Speaker 1: like I'm dealing poker m hm clockwise if I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: do it counterclockwise because I want to end on a finale.

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Speaker 1: Giannis is here, Seth is here, Krinn, doctor Randall, Corey

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Speaker 1: is here, and Will Primos nice to be here. You're

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Speaker 1: one of my.

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Speaker 4: UH.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to. I don't want to get off

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Speaker 1: on the wrong foot by overdoing it. You're one of

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Speaker 1: my he you're one of my communication heroes. And let

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Speaker 1: me tell you more about why that is. Okay. You've

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Speaker 1: been making products for hunters for your whole life, and

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Speaker 1: you've been talking to hunters for your whole life, yep,

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Speaker 1: eye to eye. You don't talk down to hunters. You

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Speaker 1: don't talk, you don't criticize, you don't talk negative. You

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Speaker 1: have an infectious enthusiasm about the hunt. You have an

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Speaker 1: infectious enthusiasm about wildlife. You have an infectious enthusiasm about

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Speaker 1: your family, about the people around you. You celebrate everyone

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Speaker 1: around you. You don't bring people down. You've been doing

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Speaker 1: this how many years?

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Speaker 5: I'm seventy two. I started the company in nineteen seventy

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Speaker 5: six when I was twenty four.

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Speaker 1: I've never heard I've never heard a single person say

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Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, Okay, that's awesome.

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Speaker 1: Let me tell you something that don't happen. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Well, one time I killed this big deer, really big

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Speaker 5: deer in Mississippi. And my wife goes, have you been

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Speaker 5: on the internet? Have you seen what they're saying about you?

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Speaker 5: And I'm going no, And she says, well you ought to.

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Speaker 5: I said it don't matter what that what?

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Speaker 1: By the way, what are they say?

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Speaker 5: And they said, well, you killed it in a pin,

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Speaker 5: you raised it in a one acre pin, and then

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Speaker 5: finally killed it. I said, Okay, she says, you're not

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Speaker 1: He says, no, you know, because we'll primos don't do that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it don't exist. So I ain't worried about it. And

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Speaker 5: But you know, I'm sure somebody says something bad somewhere,

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Speaker 5: but you know, the you know, the camera doesn't love everybody.

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Speaker 5: And I didn't want to be I didn't want to

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Speaker 5: become some known hunting person. That's not wasn't my goal.

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Speaker 5: My goal was to make a living. My goal was

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Speaker 5: because if you protect what you love.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so if I.

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Speaker 5: Can go out there and share il cunting and share

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Speaker 5: can share that and you can fall in love with it,

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Speaker 5: then you'll want to protect it. And it's all about habitat.

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Speaker 5: If we don't have the habitat, you ain't got the

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Speaker 5: critters they take. Each animal takes a certain quality of

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Speaker 5: trying to do. I came on a realization that if

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Speaker 5: you can let people have the opportunity to know you,

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Speaker 1: Now you're you're.

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Speaker 5: Gambling, because if they don't, you've really you've really kind

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Speaker 5: everybody got to hunt, it wasn't about Will Primos. Everybody

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Speaker 5: I would hunt usually first, and I didn't wait for

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Speaker 1: Did a Cory Well for folks not watching, uh Phiel

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Speaker 1: just gestured to uh Corey, who sorry, Will just gestured

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Speaker 5: So so anyway, you can't wait. So you can't wait

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Speaker 5: first day was September seventeenth. We were hunting the bar None,

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Speaker 5: find an out. Brad Ferris has said, will, I'm gonna

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Speaker 5: hunt first, and I'm gonna kill the first thing I see,

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Speaker 5: As soon as he went down, I said, bail, let's go.

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Speaker 5: After we got over there, he's going up hill. He's

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Speaker 5: He turned around and started coming. Brad scrambled him. He's

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Speaker 5: and I ranged him. I said fifty five. The elk stops,

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Speaker 5: turns round and walks sixty. Brad nails him at sixty yards.

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Speaker 5: Brad turned, he runs about twenty five yards and falls

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Speaker 5: over dead and rests. You think you'll go three thirty,

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Speaker 5: said Brad. You just killed a four hundred inch elk,

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Speaker 1: Are you kidding me?

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Speaker 5: I never saw what elk the rest of the trip,

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Speaker 5: so Brad was gonna kill the first one he saw,

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Speaker 5: and he did. But you know, it's not about you.

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Speaker 5: It's about sharing. It's about being there, it's about loving it.

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Speaker 5: It's about teaching people how much fun we can have

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Speaker 5: out there, being a part of what God created, and

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Speaker 5: watching elk be elk during the rut and watching white

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Speaker 5: enthusiastic and share that and help other people get to

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Speaker 5: that spot. Some are more talented than others, some have

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Speaker 5: whatever might keep them from being as successful. But you

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Speaker 5: don't look down on them, You're right, You just you

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Speaker 1: Yanny, tell Williams what you used to tell me about

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Speaker 1: the Truth video series.

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Speaker 3: I don't know how it was hugely.

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Speaker 1: You're talking about going down and checking at Walmart see

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Speaker 1: if they were out yet.

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Speaker 3: Oh right, pre internet?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I would go to the Walmart every two

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Speaker 6: or three days. You got them New Truth videos yet

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Speaker 6: you know, and they look at me like the what

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Speaker 6: you know? Because you know, we were in Avon, Colorado.

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Speaker 6: I don't know if you ever passed through there. That's

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Speaker 6: where the Walmart was there in Colorado. But oftentimes that

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Speaker 6: department might not have somebody that actually knew anything about

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Speaker 3: I be like, yeah, it's about.

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Speaker 6: This big, it's gonna be kind of green, it's gonna

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Speaker 3: Can you call me when it gets here?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's go back to the beginning. And and and

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Speaker 1: in the beginning, you were born with very crooked fingers,

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Speaker 1: my little peaky fingers. Shout those off.

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Speaker 5: I don't know from my mother, my mother's side of

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Speaker 1: From south right. Huh south from the south. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: my mother, this probably is from her Irish shide of

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Speaker 5: I'm fifty Greek, and yeah, that's where a primo.

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Speaker 1: That's where that makes more sense.

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Speaker 5: That's where primos come from. My daddy was half French

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Speaker 5: and half Greek. Okay, he was a freak.

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Speaker 1: That's what he said. That's what he told me. My

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Speaker 5: I'm telling you what, no kid, you know, kid and

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Speaker 1: And your mom's still alive.

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Speaker 5: Yeah she's ninety seven.

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Speaker 1: Yeah wow. Yeah, but anyway, had a lot of turkey

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, a lot.

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Speaker 1: So you were born out with crooked pink. Yeah. But

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Speaker 5: And I don't worry about him, but some some people

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Speaker 5: have to know all about him, like people like you.

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Speaker 1: First thing, I asked you, right, when I meet someone,

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Speaker 1: I always checks if they got ten fingers there you go.

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Speaker 1: And in my account, I was like, wow, he's got nine,

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Speaker 1: he's got ten, but.

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Speaker 5: But one looks at off. So yeah, yeah type and

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Speaker 5: I got it in something. No, I've done that too.

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So did your dad hunt?

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Speaker 5: My dad was a it was a depression child, you know.

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Speaker 5: He he went through the Depression, He went through World

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Speaker 5: War two. He was a navigator in the Pacific and

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Speaker 5: lot never had a dime and was always working to

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Speaker 5: support his family to take care. So yes, he hunted,

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Speaker 5: but it was very limited. But I'll never forget.

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Speaker 1: I was six years old, double barrel, side by side

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Speaker 1: fox that he paid ten dollars for us Model B

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Speaker 1: Fox double trigger. I'm not familiar with that gun.

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Speaker 5: It's a side by side made by Fox. But anyway,

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Speaker 5: I was so excited to go squirrel and my daddy

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Speaker 5: Our squirrels are twice that big. They got a big

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Speaker 1: Yep, that red squirrel. Yeah, that red squirrel. Uh. So

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, girl hunting, dove hunting, take me duck hunting,

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Speaker 1: Through the trees. And I was, I was, I was?

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Speaker 1: That was it? So you had some serious experiences, ah young, Yeah? Yeah?

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Speaker 5: So, my uncle Gus was a great caller and he

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Speaker 1: When you say you took a leave, like, explain that

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Speaker 5: You chuck a piece of wood into it and you

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Speaker 5: What's the what's the reed gonna be made out of?

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Speaker 5: We in the old days were very limited in the products.

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Speaker 5: But you have a spool, and so most people think

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Speaker 1: Oh well, you'll never get that curve out of it,

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Speaker 5: So you've got to You've got to stamp it crossways.

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Speaker 1: And you can't press that bow out of there by

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Speaker 5: You can try, but I was never able to do it.

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Speaker 5: And whether it's upside down or right side up on

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Speaker 1: Makes a huge difference to So can you nowadays just

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Speaker 1: Couldn't get it flat when you were doing that? Why

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Speaker 5: He just ThReD a woodworking shop. He was turning and

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Speaker 5: building would just as a hobby, building stuff all the time.

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Speaker 1: He built tops.

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Speaker 5: You put him in a box and tie a string

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Speaker 1: Stuff like that. God who'd you sell your first call to?

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Speaker 5: Buck Deerman?

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Speaker 5: Buck Derman was a friend of mine. He courage old

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Speaker 5: as a buddy years okay, yeah, and he he encouraged

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Speaker 5: me because the calls he had, the turkey calls he had,

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Speaker 5: I said, I can't do that. I don't know nothing

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Speaker 5: So I went to work and built one in box call,

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Speaker 1: What you made.

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Speaker 5: It was a It was a double read. It had

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Speaker 1: And you made that before you made a wood call.

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Speaker 1: That's right, huh would you? Would you? How you build that?

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Speaker 5: How do I build the You just one and got

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Speaker 5: like prophylactic latex, and well you'd go back then we

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Speaker 5: called them rubbers. They weren't called prophylactics because that dirt.

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Speaker 5: That word didn't exist where kids they were called, that

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Speaker 1: And so we go to your tooth brush. Your toothbrush

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Speaker 5: To understand that. But anyway, so we'd go to the

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Speaker 5: like a prescription, so you you weren't allowed to buy.

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Speaker 5: So you go to the service station and you'd buy

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Speaker 1: Now would you go be like, hey, I want you

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Speaker 5: Well not, there's a story about that.

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Speaker 1: Ok So, finally I went to Daddy and I said, Daddy,

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Speaker 1: I finally figured out which one of these rubbers works

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Speaker 1: to order them from the pharmacists.

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Speaker 5: But I'm only seventeen or however old I was. I said,

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Speaker 1: Order me a case?

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Speaker 5: He said, be glad to so.

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Speaker 5: So they called me and said you're rubbers are in. Okay.

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Speaker 5: I went down there, walked up to the counter. Mister

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Speaker 5: Parker put him on the counter, and my my counselor

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Speaker 5: from high school, Miss.

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Speaker 1: Breelin, walked up. He knew he knew you know.

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Speaker 5: So he looked at me, and he looked at her,

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Speaker 5: and he handed them to me, and he goes, you

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Speaker 5: So Hays Brayley took off up front and his little

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Speaker 5: having a party at the grove tonight. And I said,

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Speaker 5: And she said, you can come anyway.

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Speaker 1: That's a true story. How long you been married?

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Speaker 5: I've married thirty four years. It's a second marriage for

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Speaker 1: We have no children. We mean a second marriage.

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Speaker 8: Ye.

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Speaker 1: You haven't married the same person twice, but you've been married.

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Speaker 5: Oh you know, I was married once before it didn't

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Speaker 1: How long you married the first time? Fourteen years? On paper,

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Speaker 1: it's a good chunk of time. Yeah, but then you

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Speaker 5: Oh, I knew it long before that. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: That's an interesting way to put it on paper.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a qualification that goes a long way.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh So this guy asked you to come a

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Speaker 5: I got some beer in ten beer cans to walk

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Speaker 1: Well, you at first, you got to shape it.

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Speaker 5: You gotta side. Everybody's mouth is different. That's one of

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Speaker 5: Some people have very high palette. Some people have wide

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Speaker 5: but I'll have them lean back and open their mouth

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Speaker 5: whole lot more than the people that have what I

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Speaker 1: So so you can eyeball someone's palette and then make

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Speaker 5: Seal that there and pass air through it. It's all

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Speaker 1: It's all about how you move your jaw and how

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Speaker 5: Well, I started out with an adhesive. It was kind

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Speaker 5: these illuminum frames that well, you illumined them out out

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Speaker 5: the lid. Sometimes the lid with lid was usually too thick,

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Speaker 5: but that had worked because it helped separate mine a

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Speaker 5: So I went to the die maker and said, here's

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Speaker 5: and I just want to hit it with a sledgehammer.

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Speaker 5: He goes, okay, so we still have it. I mean,

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Speaker 5: put it on there and took the sledgehammer. Bamn, there's

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Speaker 5: your peace, bounced on the concrete, and you know you'd

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Speaker 5: get a piece a whole lot quicker than I could

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Speaker 5: cut him out. But the real secret was people in

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Speaker 1: That was Pennsylvania innovation.

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Speaker 5: Yes, as far as I know, that's correct.

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Speaker 1: So when you sold that first call where you just

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Speaker 1: You know?

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Speaker 5: I charged him twenty bucks, you know, and he was thrilled.

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Speaker 5: And that was twenty bucks in nineteen probably seventy.

442
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Speaker 1: Five or so. How many calls did you give him

443
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Speaker 1: for twenty bucks?

444
00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:01,360
Speaker 5: One mouth gul.

445
00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:02,560
Speaker 1: Wow, wow.

446
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

447
00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:04,800
Speaker 1: I wantn't go sit there and do all that. I

448
00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:05,639
Speaker 1: mean that there was too much.

449
00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:07,879
Speaker 5: And Buck understood, and he said, I want you to

450
00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:09,000
Speaker 5: I want you to make me more.

451
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Speaker 1: How many could you make in a day?

452
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Speaker 9: Here?

453
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Speaker 5: I asked that question, Seth, I don't know. It was

454
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Speaker 5: usually a night because I was working in the day

455
00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:21,359
Speaker 5: and i'd get home sometimes eleven o'clock at night. I

456
00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:23,560
Speaker 5: was in the restaurant business with my family, okay, And

457
00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:25,320
Speaker 5: so I might work two or three hours and I

458
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Speaker 5: might make six or ten.

459
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Speaker 1: It took a while. If I had the parts done.

460
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Speaker 9: Yeah, if I had the So would you go through

461
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Speaker 9: and make all the parts and then and then have

462
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Speaker 9: a night where you just went through and finished everything.

463
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Speaker 1: I ended up using double sided sticky tape rather than

464
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Speaker 1: a glue, and that worked pretty good. Oh. So that

465
00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:44,760
Speaker 1: would put it on one side of the frame, peel

466
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Speaker 1: it off, put the latex in place, and then seal

467
00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:49,879
Speaker 1: it did stick to it? Gotcha? Is it safe to

468
00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:52,840
Speaker 1: say that if you hadn't discovered making calls, you to

469
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Speaker 1: bend restaurant business for career?

470
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Speaker 4: No?

471
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Speaker 1: No, I didn't.

472
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Speaker 5: I didn't love the restaurant business. It was too confined.

473
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Speaker 5: I I just couldn't working twelve fourteen, sixteen hours a day,

474
00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:08,120
Speaker 5: six days a week most of the time, and part

475
00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:11,440
Speaker 5: of the seventh day. I just it just was, it

476
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Speaker 5: didn't work for me.

477
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Speaker 1: What was the family restaurant?

478
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Speaker 5: We had five of them, my grandfather, my daddy's daddy,

479
00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:19,840
Speaker 5: immigrated at eight years old from Greece in nineteen oh eight.

480
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Speaker 1: Came through New Orleans.

481
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Speaker 5: Of course, he was uneducated, didn't know anything, couldn't speak English,

482
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Speaker 5: and his mother. The Turks killed his daddy. His mother

483
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:32,520
Speaker 5: lost their property to the Turks and brought them over

484
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Speaker 5: to the United States for a new life. New Orleans

485
00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:40,400
Speaker 5: restaurant business. All Greeks become restaurant tours, and he learned

486
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Speaker 5: how to bake and how to bust tables, and he

487
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Speaker 5: was very smart. He ended up building quite a quite

488
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Speaker 5: a business.

489
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Speaker 1: But he wasn't building Greek restaurants down there. Say he

490
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Speaker 1: wasn't making Greek restaurants, was he? It had all had

491
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Speaker 1: Greek flares, to Greek salides, steak houses, different, everything had

492
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Speaker 1: something very Greek oriented about it. Yeah.

493
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Speaker 5: Yeah, So I sold my interest in the company, owned

494
00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:10,080
Speaker 5: stock in the company. Family five restaurants, and there were

495
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Speaker 5: a huge Some of them were huge.

496
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Speaker 1: One of them was four hundred yards long, had thirteen

497
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Speaker 1: banquet rooms, had.

498
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Speaker 5: Two restaurants inside it. She she's absolutely huge. Three hundred

499
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Speaker 5: and fifty employees is huge.

500
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Speaker 1: Damn is huge. But I sold my stock back in

501
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:28,280
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty eight and told Daddy that I can't do it,

502
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:31,000
Speaker 1: and because you wanted to plow that money into your business.

503
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:33,800
Speaker 1: I didn't have any money, but I wanted to put

504
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:38,359
Speaker 1: my energy into business. At what point did you know

505
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,720
Speaker 1: that you were just that you had established yourself and

506
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:43,600
Speaker 1: you're gonna be making calls the rest of your life.

507
00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,280
Speaker 5: In nineteen ninety I had a million dollars in sales

508
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 5: and my CPA told me I made money.

509
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Speaker 1: I said, show it to me.

510
00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:59,680
Speaker 5: He said, it's an inventory and it's unreceivable. I said,

511
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 5: and now you owe this much in taxes. I went, well,

512
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:05,360
Speaker 5: where does that come from? He said, I guess you'd

513
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:06,280
Speaker 5: go borrow that too.

514
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 1: Oh, I gotcha. How many people did you have at

515
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:10,399
Speaker 1: that point? Oh?

516
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:12,480
Speaker 5: Probably eighteen or so.

517
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:16,879
Speaker 1: Yeah. When I sell the company, we had right at

518
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:20,840
Speaker 1: two hundred. Right shot, What year did you sell premost

519
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 1: game calls? Night?

520
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 5: Two thousand and.

521
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Speaker 1: Six. Johanni wants to ask you a question.

522
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:32,160
Speaker 3: About voiceover.

523
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Speaker 6: Yeah, man, we were just we had a little content

524
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Speaker 6: summit with a bunch of our creators just earlier this week,

525
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:41,920
Speaker 6: and we and Steve talked about his approach to voiceover,

526
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 6: and that was really a hallmark. I felt like of

527
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Speaker 6: the truth videos was your narration. Talk a little bit

528
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Speaker 6: about that, like why why Woul did that end up

529
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Speaker 6: being the way that you guys did those videos where

530
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,239
Speaker 6: it seemed like you sort of recorded them, but there

531
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Speaker 6: wasn't really too much story on camera. It was really

532
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Speaker 6: your voice that then narrated and drove that story.

533
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Speaker 5: Well, it's really hard to keep the camera running twenty

534
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Speaker 5: four to seven, so to speak and capture every moment

535
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Speaker 5: and every word. And then back then when we were

536
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Speaker 5: doing it, we didn't have the audio capabilities we have now.

537
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:22,399
Speaker 5: You didn't have the wireless mics, so the mic was

538
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Speaker 5: on the camera, so you had to tell the story

539
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Speaker 5: to bring the viewer into place somehow.

540
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Speaker 1: So what would they do?

541
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Speaker 5: They'd edited, the editors would edit it on Avid edit

542
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 5: systems the way they thought it out a beat, and

543
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Speaker 5: then they would write what they thought needed to be said.

544
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 5: And then they would bring me in and I would

545
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Speaker 5: watch it and look at their words and change it

546
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Speaker 5: to my lingo, to my words because I was I

547
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Speaker 5: became the voice.

548
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Speaker 1: Man. I didn't realize, but we we really just stole

549
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Speaker 1: will system.

550
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's kind of how I feel.

551
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 1: We owe you some like we owe you some sort

552
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 1: of payment for having accidentally stole your methodology, you owe

553
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 1: me nothing you got. You remain like a very staunch

554
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 1: supporter of a bunch of conservation or I shouldn't say

555
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 1: a bunch, but I know you're heavily involved in conservation groups.

556
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 1: Who do you like to? I know you help out

557
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 1: NWTF a lot. Now who else do you get involved with?

558
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,639
Speaker 5: Well, there's so many out there, but those that are

559
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:32,480
Speaker 5: so connected to being able to double and triple the

560
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:36,160
Speaker 5: money that they get through grants, those are the ones

561
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Speaker 5: that I'm right now most interested in.

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Speaker 1: Help me understand that.

563
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 5: So if you give Ducks unlimited one hundred thousand dollars,

564
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Speaker 5: there's a good chance they can turn that into three

565
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Speaker 5: or four or thousand dollars.

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Speaker 1: But I don't understand.

567
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Speaker 5: I mean they apply for grants through the federal government

568
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Speaker 5: typically to do matching campaigns, matching in dublin and tripling.

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Speaker 1: Okay, meaning if they're able to demonstrate citizen corporate sponsorship

570
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Speaker 1: that somehow can lead to more.

571
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 5: Yes, it can. So what I center in on, all

572
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 5: of my interest goes toward habitat protection and restoration.

573
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Speaker 1: So that's where you personally like to.

574
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Speaker 5: I personally try to put all of my enter into

575
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Speaker 5: the ground on the ground.

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Speaker 1: That's correct. Yeah, you know.

577
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 5: So I'm just now engineering a situation. I have got

578
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:36,880
Speaker 5: a set of Party shotguns. Party is a London made

579
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Speaker 5: side by sys the p U r D Y right

580
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Speaker 5: p U r D E y d E y Okay

581
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 5: Party shotguns. And so I have the only consecutive set

582
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Speaker 5: serial numbered Party side by side hammer shotguns ever made four, ten, twenty,

583
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Speaker 5: sixteen and twelve. And so I've been collecting these for

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Speaker 5: about almost twenty years, and I reserved when I ordered

585
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Speaker 5: my first.

586
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 1: One, I reserved all the serial numbers.

587
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Speaker 5: And so the guns cost somewhere through my through my

588
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 5: years of buying them, somewhere around a million two and.

589
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 1: To accumulate the collection to get the collection.

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Speaker 5: And so I'm now giving those guns to conservation. And

591
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,640
Speaker 5: the Congressional Sportsman's Foundation, which a lot of people don't

592
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 5: know about, is a fantastic organization that helps to protect

593
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Speaker 5: all of our hunting and fishing rights, habitat restoration, habitat

594
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 5: protection by state and federally. And they're out there fighting

595
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Speaker 5: making sure the states passed the right legislation, making sure

596
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 5: the federal government passes the right legislation, and so I

597
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Speaker 5: chose them to head this project up. And so Rock

598
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 5: Island is the great auctioneer of high end guns, and

599
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Speaker 5: they're going to auction off my guns.

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Speaker 1: Can I tell you that's how that punk gun out

601
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 1: there we bought from Rock Island?

602
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 5: Okay, Okay. So they're going to auction the guns off

603
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 5: and the money is going to be divided between certain

604
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 5: conservational organizations that protect or restore habitat.

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Speaker 1: Are you guys fixing the auction them as a block

606
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Speaker 1: to a single buyer because people don't want to break

607
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 1: them up?

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Speaker 10: Right?

609
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 1: That's I think that if you right now, we're about

610
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 1: to make that decision for sure, But more than likely

611
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Speaker 1: they're going to be sold as a set only, because

612
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Speaker 1: if you buy a single gun, the set's not worth

613
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Speaker 1: as much. What do you think it'll go for?

614
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 5: You know, it depends if you find the right guy

615
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 5: who realizes that anything over the appraised value.

616
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Speaker 1: And I'm not sure what they'll praise for. They could

617
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 1: have praised for a million, they could have praised for

618
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 1: a million and a half. I'm not sure. You can't.

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Speaker 5: You can't build them anymore. That the fourteen and twenty

620
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 5: eight will never be built again, So that person could

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Speaker 5: come in there and say, well, look, anything over and

622
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Speaker 5: above that I get to write off because all this

623
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Speaker 5: money is going to observation. So it might be two million,

624
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 5: five million, ten million. Maybe Stephen Ronnello will jump forward

625
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 5: and do something with all that money that's under his.

626
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 1: I don't know that he will.

627
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 5: So anyway, it's all about habitat, it's about responing. And

628
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Speaker 5: I love the grasslands. Just to think about the world

629
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Speaker 5: that I read about in your book, in the Buffalo,

630
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 5: your unbelievable book. I just couldn't put it down. But

631
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Speaker 5: the story of of all of that that was Buffalo

632
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Speaker 5: and the animals before him, and the grasslands and the

633
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 5: tall grass and the short grass, and the prairie chickens,

634
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 5: and they were they were thick like mosquitoes. And and

635
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Speaker 5: the fact that we've lost so much of that we've

636
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Speaker 5: got we got to keep that. That's that's the heartbeat

637
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Speaker 5: of the United States.

638
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Speaker 1: When's that action going to happen?

639
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 4: Uh?

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Speaker 1: Probably December of twenty five. You got to remind us

641
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Speaker 1: when you do it. Okay, I'd love to. Maybe we

642
00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 1: can do a little thing where it follows along. Sure

643
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 1: that auction happens. It's like a pretty discreet period of time, right,

644
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 1: It's not like open forbidding for months or something.

645
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 5: Rock Island is the masters at that, and I'm not

646
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 5: going to run their show. They know exactly how they're

647
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 5: going to go about doing it.

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Speaker 1: Man, if you remember, let us know, it'd be fun

649
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 1: to do a little something about that. Yeah, have you

650
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 1: shot muscols guns?

651
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I've killed white tailed deer sixteen gage buckshot,

652
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 5: you know, rough growl, sharp tails. You know you name turkeys, ducks.

653
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 1: I've shot them all.

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Speaker 3: That's cool that you use them actually and put it

655
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Speaker 3: away Field.

656
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 5: I got a phone full of gorgeous pictures. You killed

657
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 5: merge quail in Arizona, and you put that male merge

658
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 5: right next to those hammers. The hammers have pretty dragons

659
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 5: on them. When the hammers fall, the dragon breeze fire.

660
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 5: It's cool.

661
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Speaker 1: So Corey, talk about your experience, how you know, will.

662
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Speaker 11: Well, let's see, I landed a job on a elk

663
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Speaker 11: cotton ranch north of town here back in twenty fourteen

664
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 11: and was offered to guide the next September, And growing

665
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 11: up always watched Primos The Truth, Big Bulls one through

666
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 11: fourteen or whatever we were at that year. And yeah,

667
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 11: I was offered to guide Will's friend that was coming along,

668
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 11: Mike ellig who used to own black gold archery sites.

669
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,719
Speaker 11: So I got to guide Mike. I think we got

670
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 11: a nice bowl on day.

671
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 1: No, you don't take you know.

672
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 11: He scored three sixty three. He was an eight x ten.

673
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 1: I think I got one. It was a beautiful bowl.

674
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 11: But then your guide had to do something the next day,

675
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 11: and I was offered to take you out, which was

676
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 11: kind of a dream come true. Honestly, Oh man, we

677
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 11: had fun, we did. Yeah, I think we hunted that afternoon.

678
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 1: Was he whining and moaning the whole time, you know,

679
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 1: talking bad about old buddy.

680
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 11: We had a big bowl on a ridge above you,

681
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 11: and I tried backing up as far as I could

682
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 11: and tried calling him in, and the bowl had forty

683
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 11: fifty cows with him and never never would leave his cows.

684
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 11: And I remember after this, I think it was after

685
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 11: the sun went down. It just, you know, that didn't

686
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 11: work out. The planets didn't a line, as I like

687
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 11: to say. You came back to me and you said, no,

688
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 11: you should have done this instead, And you know, learn

689
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 11: from your mistakes, and definitely learned from those who have

690
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 11: done it.

691
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 1: You remember what I told you you should have done.

692
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 11: There's something with a bugle like you grabbed a bugle

693
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 11: from me. It was still around my neck, and you

694
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 11: said you should have wailed on it like this instead,

695
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 11: because I think I might've been being a little too

696
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 11: soft or something less aggressive.

697
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 1: Should I just just a frustration.

698
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 11: I mean we were both fired up still that it

699
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 11: didn't work out. Adrenaline was still rolling. And then I

700
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 11: remember we had a pretty solid hike back up to

701
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 11: the truck after that.

702
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, and now's your day with will Primos.

703
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 11: Well, and then the next day we went out and

704
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 11: by eight thirty in the morning had a nice six

705
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 11: point down.

706
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 1: Oh really Yeah, so you guys got together. Yeah, yeah,

707
00:33:57,880 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 1: that was pretty cool. That's fun.

708
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 11: Mary and I got to do the calling. We backed

709
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:02,479
Speaker 11: up about eight.

710
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 5: My wife is a really good elk caller, and one

711
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 5: time she called this elk up and my friend Brad

712
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:10,359
Speaker 5: Fast killed it and I was one hundred and fifty

713
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:12,799
Speaker 5: yards above and watching her. I'm going I just shut

714
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:14,800
Speaker 5: up and let her do it. And she was throwing

715
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,319
Speaker 5: rocks down the hill and doing all kind of make

716
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 5: it all kind of racket and then she get on

717
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:26,319
Speaker 5: that dead, gumb that the open read hyperlip single, God

718
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 5: the heck is that? And that elk came in there

719
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 5: going crazy and Brad shoots him at ten yards. He

720
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 5: walks over and falls dead. And I walk up to

721
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 5: the mirror. I said, Mary, what did you say to him?

722
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 5: And she said, will I know what y'all are thinking?

723
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 1: You know, there's like this thing, like this little rule

724
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 1: for getting along with people socially. You don't talk about politics,

725
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 1: you don't talk about religion. You're pretty open about your

726
00:34:59,160 --> 00:34:59,879
Speaker 1: spiritual life.

727
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 5: Oh gosh, I love the Lord, I love I am.

728
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 1: I am.

729
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 5: I'm a believer in Jesus Christ. He is my in,

730
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 5: my rock, in my guide.

731
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 1: And there's just no way that wasn't going to be

732
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 1: part of your public persona, because I.

733
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 5: Mean, God knows, I know you. I mean, you know

734
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 5: what lightning is. You know, he knows I know better

735
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 5: you know.

736
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:25,360
Speaker 1: But you lived by your walk.

737
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:25,320
Speaker 10: You know.

738
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,839
Speaker 5: And not everybody you meet as a Christian or wants

739
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 5: to be or is in climb. That's that's fine, that's

740
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 5: their choice, That's what God gave us, his choice. But

741
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 5: I'm good, you know, yeah, never never any hesitation, none?

742
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, what what year was the first truth, well,

743
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 1: the first truth that.

744
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:47,760
Speaker 5: Six eighty seventh.

745
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 9: And when when you guys decided to make that, was

746
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 9: it like we're going to see what happens.

747
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 5: Or was this in just no, let's see what happens.

748
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 5: We don't know what we're doing. Yeah, the equipment wasn't good.

749
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:00,919
Speaker 5: We had a back you had a real to reel.

750
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 5: You had to set the thing down on the ground

751
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 5: and get it going out a wire, and had a camera.

752
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 5: The stuff wasn't in the camera, it was on another backpack.

753
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 5: He weighed about eighty five pounds to carry all the equipment,

754
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 5: and you had to get to the where you were

755
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 5: going to go and set it down and get ready

756
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 5: and hope the turkey was.

757
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:18,839
Speaker 1: Still around by the time.

758
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 5: And then climbing a tree.

759
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,359
Speaker 3: You know, we always just for Why did you guys

760
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 3: hire like professional camera guys.

761
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 5: Oh no, no, no, no, no no, we hired hunters.

762
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 5: You've got to have a hunter behind that. He's got

763
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 5: to tell that story through that lens, and only a

764
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 5: hunter can do that.

765
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 1: Music to sess ears, Yeah, listen, man, this is like

766
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:45,720
Speaker 1: you're you're touching on the thing that we've that Jannis

767
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 1: and I have spent an incredible amount of time discussing

768
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 1: is and this is a real riddle. I appreciate that

769
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 1: you feel like you got the code cracked, but I

770
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 1: don't know. I think that this is whype be one

771
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,840
Speaker 1: of those areas where you and I don't necessarily align.

772
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 5: Okay, you're wrong and not right, but that's okay. You

773
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 5: can teach a hunter to be a cameraman, but you

774
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 5: cannot teach a cameraman to be a hunters necessary.

775
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 1: That has not necessarily been my finding.

776
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 5: Okay, uh.

777
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 1: In the we agree on this, in the best case scenario,

778
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: you have In the best case scenario, you have a

779
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 1: lifelong cameraman who's a lifelong hunter and observer of wildlife.

780
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 1: Everyone would agree. Everyone would agree that's the best case scenario.

781
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 1: I have found examples of both. There are really good cameramen,

782
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:52,839
Speaker 1: like the kind of camera and you'd want to call

783
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:57,879
Speaker 1: like a cinematographer okay, right, who never can get used

784
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,840
Speaker 1: to animals. They don't know how to behave around animals.

785
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 1: They can't get used to animals. But there are some

786
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 1: there are some individuals out there that I've worked with

787
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 1: over the years, and I don't want to and I

788
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:11,439
Speaker 1: gotta say this because if they they probably won't listen

789
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:17,359
Speaker 1: to this. But in case they do. Rick Smith, Chris Gill,

790
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 1: No Fallon Gartt Garrett, Gary Smith grew up on Yeah yeah,

791
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:30,240
Speaker 1: but not like not like we did. These are some examples.

792
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 1: These are outliers. Perhaps these are examples of people who

793
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:40,240
Speaker 1: came to their world of cinematography being a DP, director

794
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:43,879
Speaker 1: of photography, camera guy whatever. They came to it from

795
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:48,360
Speaker 1: a world of appreciation for like appreciation for the arts,

796
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 1: being very schooled and cinema history, getting formally educated in

797
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 1: camera work and like majoring and that stuff in college,

798
00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 1: and after a short time in the field, got it okay.

799
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:07,839
Speaker 1: Like when you say, if I go, don't move, these

800
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:13,320
Speaker 1: guys don't move, okay, ma'am. They at least understand. I

801
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 1: have had to sit with I've this is something I've

802
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:17,879
Speaker 1: literally done. I've literally say out with the camera guy

803
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:20,839
Speaker 1: before Turkey Hunt, and I want to go like, I'm

804
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 1: gonna show you. I'm gonna sit here and I'm gonna

805
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 1: show you what not moving looks like, because apparently apparently

806
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 1: there's different understandings of what not moving looks like. And

807
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 1: I'd be like, this is not moving, that's not moving.

808
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 1: You think not moving is this? I get it. Not

809
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:53,879
Speaker 1: moving is right and it can be learned, And I think,

810
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 1: but what. At the same time, you could grow up

811
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 1: being a great hunter like okay or just let I

812
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 1: don't want to say great, you grew up being an

813
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 1: avid hunter. I want to be able to roll myself

814
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 1: into this without claiming to be a great hunter. You

815
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 1: grew up being an avid hunter. I still, this is

816
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 1: not a joke. I would not know how to turn

817
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 1: this camera on. I honestly wouldn't know how to turn

818
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 1: it on. I probably wouldn't either. No, I've done it,

819
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 1: but I probably wouldn't know. I took when I was

820
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 1: in regular college. I took black and white photography one,

821
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:31,839
Speaker 1: black and white photography two and struggled. I know how

822
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 1: to wield the English language. I do not know how

823
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,360
Speaker 1: to work with images, right, So.

824
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 5: We answer to all that. Bottom line, we had a trademark.

825
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 5: This ain't Hollywood, so we're not trying to win a

826
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 5: cinematography award. We're trying to share with the public what happens.

827
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:56,320
Speaker 5: And the problem you have with people who aren't hunters

828
00:40:56,400 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 5: is they can't anticipate yes, and if they can't, they're

829
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 5: gonna miss something that really needed to be seen by

830
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 5: the viewer.

831
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 1: But Okay, it's good. We're good. No, we're good. But

832
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 1: but I don't want to I don't want you to

833
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 1: think by me using the term cinematography, I don't want

834
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: you to think that I'm talking about people who are

835
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 1: trying to arts stuff up. If you talk to these guys,

836
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 1: they don't talk about they're not like, oh, it's not beautiful.

837
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 1: It's not that they talk about coverage. Right, Like you

838
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 1: could be trained in photography, trained as a camera guy, whatever,

839
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: that that doesn't mean that you're like focused on that.

840
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 1: You're focused on that. You think you're gonna set everything

841
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,879
Speaker 1: up with the setting sun and the fog and right,

842
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 1: it's like coverage, did you get coverage? Meaning? Uh, can

843
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,800
Speaker 1: you fill the scene out? Right? And they have a

844
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 1: people like these guys at the right training and right experience,

845
00:41:56,600 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 1: they understand they can picture. You're to get out of

846
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:05,240
Speaker 1: your truck. You're gonna walk in the dark, You're gonna

847
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 1: kind of arrive at a place. You're gonna hear a gobble, right,

848
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,359
Speaker 1: You're gonna find where to set up. You're gonna get

849
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 1: set up. You're gonna not like it. You're gonna get

850
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 1: set up again, you're gonna get your stuff out, you're

851
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 1: gonna write, and every little single part of that, they

852
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 1: got a part of it. When you're watching something that's

853
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 1: that's not great, maybe you got like the lights coming

854
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 1: on when you open the truck door and the next

855
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:33,800
Speaker 1: thing there's a guy sitting on a tree. You missed

856
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 1: a bunch, Yeah, because you didn't get coverage and that

857
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 1: knowledge of coverage. I just don't want to be hacking on.

858
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 1: I don't want to be hacking on. I get it,

859
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 1: I get it. I once was listening to an interview

860
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 1: with Ralph Stanley, the bluegrass musician. He won't play with

861
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 1: college kids. He says, college kids don't understand blue grass.

862
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 1: You don't want to play with college kids, or something

863
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:58,320
Speaker 1: to that effect. And I'm like, you know, that's funny

864
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,720
Speaker 1: hacking on college kids. But there's a pretty good college

865
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:01,879
Speaker 1: kid camera guys out there.

866
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, I get you.

867
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:03,839
Speaker 1: Yeah.

868
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 3: I do agree with anticipation.

869
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 9: Like I filmed with Steve a bunch in the field,

870
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:12,839
Speaker 9: and I'm like to the point now where I can

871
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 9: something changes with him where I'm like, okay, like I

872
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:20,839
Speaker 9: need to get ready to get some sort of shot here,

873
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 9: you know.

874
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well there's also a part he didn't mention is

875
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 1: that I have to look at him to see if

876
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 1: that was actually a gobble. Yeah. So Bratt Brad Ferrish

877
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 1: was the was the master at being able to anticipate

878
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 1: it and get over the shoulder stuff. Yeah, absolutely magical.

879
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 1: But I like you. I like your word choice anticipate. Yeah.

880
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 5: But one time the Outdoor Channel, we were the rated

881
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 5: number one on the Outdoor Channel, and they came to

882
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 5: see us. They came all the entourage, about four of them,

883
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:54,439
Speaker 5: came to our office and sat down and said, Okay,

884
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:57,359
Speaker 5: y'all have got to change some things. Let's look at

885
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:00,359
Speaker 5: this footage. Look at so that right here. You've got

886
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 5: to change that airplane has no business being in your footage.

887
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 1: Here. What airplane?

888
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 5: This airplane flew?

889
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 1: Oh, just some random airplane. Yeah, okay.

890
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 5: And the gobbler was goblin and got shot while the

891
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:16,840
Speaker 5: airplane was and then we looked at him and go

892
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:21,840
Speaker 5: just reshoot it and get some other ambient sound and

893
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 5: edit the airplane out.

894
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:25,240
Speaker 1: Okay.

895
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:27,799
Speaker 5: And look, I don't think we're gonna be number one

896
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 5: much longer. We're gonna keep doing what we do. Because

897
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 5: of the feedback we get from the public that says,

898
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:38,240
Speaker 5: thank you, thank you for not reenacting scenes.

899
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 1: Gotcha, you know.

900
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 5: And the first time I saw a guy killing elk

901
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 5: on video that was reenacted, he walked up with the

902
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 5: camera here the elk in the middle, and the guy

903
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 5: walking up and finding the elk.

904
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 1: You didn't like. That's bs. They all knew it was there.

905
00:44:57,719 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 1: It wasn't original. We won't. You don't do that.

906
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,880
Speaker 5: You get behind the guy and you you get what

907
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:03,399
Speaker 5: you get.

908
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:07,800
Speaker 1: Yep. You fill it up with what really happened, and

909
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 1: if you fall down, you show it and you get

910
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 1: to laugh, which I've done, which we are going down

911
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 1: a steep invitment and end up with your.

912
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 5: Self in the water and all messed up, and you

913
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 5: know you show it.

914
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:24,839
Speaker 1: Fine? Yeah, Hey, what do you think makes a good hunter?

915
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 5: What makes a good hunter?

916
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, nothing to do with camera guys. But what do

917
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 1: you think makes a good hunter? Oh?

918
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 5: Somebody that realizes what patience is and giving things time

919
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 5: to happen, not trying to force it.

920
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you do? You do? You subscribe to that

921
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 1: Turkey hunting philosophy. If you think you ought to do something, don't.

922
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 5: That that's that's fifty percent of the time.

923
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 1: That's what time you do do it. Yeah, you do

924
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 1: it anyway, but you like the idea that you should

925
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:02,399
Speaker 1: at least double quite yes, question the impulse, Yes, sir.

926
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 1: What's your favorite thing? You know is Turkey's your favorite?

927
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 1: I always think of you as that. I imagine you'd be.

928
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 1: You like turkeys. Turkeys and elk.

929
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 5: I'm glad they don't come at the same time of year.

930
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 5: But in this stage of my life upland hunting. That's

931
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 5: what got me into the shooting of sporting clays, and uh,

932
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 5: I wanted to get better at shooting upland birds. There

933
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 5: were certain crossers that I would not shoot will primos,

934
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 5: if that dove or that duck was coming left to

935
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:34,239
Speaker 5: right because the way the winds we had to set

936
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 5: up and the way the wind was on the on

937
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 5: the blind or whatever. I learned not to shoot at him.

938
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:40,759
Speaker 1: I want to go hit him. Yeah, well, what the

939
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:41,760
Speaker 1: hell you still shoot?

940
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:44,839
Speaker 5: You know, I mean, thirty forty fifty you just set

941
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 5: the shot out. I mean, I just, I just I

942
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:49,400
Speaker 5: just wanted to go shoot at him. Would I want't

943
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 5: gonna hit him?

944
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:53,800
Speaker 1: And so I would. I started shooting for the Claye

945
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 1: because I wanted to go to these people who knew

946
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 1: how to shoot this stuff and teach me this is good?

947
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 1: Can we the it's a good chance to talk about sure,

948
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:04,840
Speaker 1: so kind of the reason I've always wanted to have

949
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 1: you on, and we've talked about having you on over

950
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 1: the years for various things. But what allowed it to happen? Now?

951
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:12,800
Speaker 1: What the reason you're sitting here is you sent me

952
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:18,439
Speaker 1: an email about a book you worked on. I'm sorry,

953
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 1: I'm not can you pronounce your your partners, your your

954
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 1: buddy's name?

955
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 5: Anthony Matisse.

956
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 1: Matteris so Will sent me an email about a book

957
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:31,800
Speaker 1: he's got that's available now, Straight Shooting for Hunters, a

958
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 1: champions guide to using shotguns in the field. And it's

959
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 1: by Will and Anthony Mattie. And the significance of that

960
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 1: is here we have a lifelong hunter who knows the

961
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 1: challenges of being in the field, knows the challenges of

962
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:49,880
Speaker 1: making real shots in the field on stuff that you

963
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 1: got to not just nick but kill. And Anthony is

964
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 1: a competitive.

965
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 5: Shooter and a hardcore hunter also hard lives to duck hunt.

966
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 1: Okay, so Will. The premise of the book is to

967
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:10,800
Speaker 1: take technical shooting expertise and the dos and don'ts of

968
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 1: shooting and apply it in real world scenarios so that

969
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 1: when you sit there like you're saying, and the wind's

970
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:19,959
Speaker 1: blowing left to right and the bird's coming right to left,

971
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:21,760
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean that you've got to not shoot.

972
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, the nuances of the game of sporting clays is incredible.

973
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 5: And by sporting clayes, I mean shooting stuff that's flying

974
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 5: through the air. Okay, for instance, I'm behind a setter,

975
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:37,760
Speaker 5: a pointer Germany short air their own point, and I'm moving.

976
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 1: Up to the side of the dogs.

977
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:41,839
Speaker 5: The dogs got a view of me where you hold

978
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 5: that gun, where that gun starts from, because you're going

979
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 5: to be low gun, You're going to have to mount

980
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 5: that gun.

981
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 1: And then where your eyes are.

982
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:52,400
Speaker 5: Your eyes can come back to focus one hundred thousand

983
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 5: I forget what the exact number is, but let's just

984
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 5: use one hundred thousand times faster than your eyes can.

985
00:48:57,120 --> 00:49:00,719
Speaker 1: Go out to focus. Keep back up and say that

986
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 1: again your brought us up there. I'm on a thing.

987
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 1: I'm on a kicking life where when someone tells me

988
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 1: something I don't understand, instead of going Huh, that's great,

989
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 1: I go like, no, I don't understand so and that

990
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 1: doesn't mean they need to re explain it, okay, so

991
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 1: it allows room for explanation.

992
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:20,239
Speaker 5: Quail or right here at this door, which is approximate,

993
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 5: and lay ten feet away from me, and that dog's

994
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 5: pointing right there.

995
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 1: Well, rather than look right there, I want to look

996
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 1: over and beyond at about fifty yards in soft focus,

997
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:34,720
Speaker 1: so you know, like you know the birds there because

998
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:36,840
Speaker 1: the dog's telling you. And instead of staring at the

999
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 1: brush like you see it.

1000
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 5: Here, So the quail could be here here, here, here,

1001
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 5: it could be anywhere, because the dog's got the scent

1002
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 5: and you don't know if that they've run off and

1003
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 5: stopped again or what. You don't know exactly where they are,

1004
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 5: but you know about So don't try to look and

1005
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 5: see the quail and see where where they're going to

1006
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:56,359
Speaker 5: come from. Look over them and beyond them, say fifty yards.

1007
00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 1: Well, if you're look at how you're ever going to

1008
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 1: just hold them right out of the bushes, all right, smarty,

1009
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:07,760
Speaker 1: So your eyes come back to focus so much faster

1010
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 1: than out to focus.

1011
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 5: So if I'm looking and solve focus and the quail rise,

1012
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 5: my eyes come back and see the flash. My eyes

1013
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:18,799
Speaker 5: come back and grab the flash. Now, I don't look

1014
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 5: at the quail. I look at his beak, I look

1015
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:24,359
Speaker 5: at his head. I look at you can. Some guys

1016
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:26,359
Speaker 5: are really good at being able to shoot only male

1017
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:29,879
Speaker 5: bob whites rather than just fifty fifty it because they're

1018
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 5: looking that intensely and they pick out that bird. And

1019
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 5: then your hands. Your eyes tell your brain where your

1020
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 5: hands go. It's no different than baseball. You don't look

1021
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:47,239
Speaker 5: at the bat. You look at the ball, and that's

1022
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 5: all you look at when you're throwing a football.

1023
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good point, man.

1024
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:54,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, when you're throwing a football and the guy's running,

1025
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:57,840
Speaker 5: you're not looking at the ball. You're looking at the runner,

1026
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 5: and you're deciding how fast you gotta throw, how far

1027
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 5: you've got to throw it, at what angle you've got

1028
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 5: to throw it so it will drop into the receiver's hands.

1029
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 5: Your brain calculates all that, and through repetition in practice,

1030
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 5: which is what sportingclays gives you, you learn to be

1031
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:16,759
Speaker 5: able to execute that subconsciously. And so you become subconscious

1032
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 5: when that quail is down there, your eyes look out

1033
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:21,439
Speaker 5: that you're ready, and you move and shoot and you're

1034
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 5: much more effective. And there's different techniques. Let's just say

1035
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:29,279
Speaker 5: it's dove hunting or duck hunting. You've got what's called

1036
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:33,279
Speaker 5: swing through, and here's you start behind the bird and

1037
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:36,720
Speaker 5: you move past the bird. Your brain, you match speeds

1038
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:39,319
Speaker 5: with the bird. Then you move your gun slightly ahead

1039
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 5: to the lead, and your brain tells you that's it, and.

1040
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:41,840
Speaker 1: You pull the trigger.

1041
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 5: Yep, that's technique one yeah, that's one yeah. And then

1042
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:48,719
Speaker 5: you've got maintained leads because of what the how far

1043
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:52,320
Speaker 5: it was, whatever, You mount in front of the target,

1044
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 5: match speeds with the target, and then.

1045
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 1: Pull the trigger. That's my technique. Is that bad?

1046
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 5: Not necessarily, But if you can learn the all three techniques,

1047
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 5: you know, if you can learn how to swing through,

1048
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:06,320
Speaker 5: how to maintain lead, and how to mount, own the

1049
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 5: bird and stretch it all three, you will be a

1050
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:11,800
Speaker 5: much better shot because they all come at different times

1051
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:15,800
Speaker 5: that you should apply depending on a distance, angle, and speed.

1052
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:19,800
Speaker 5: So how how far it is? You know how fast

1053
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 5: it is, and you know, uh and the angle is

1054
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 5: it a quarter?

1055
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:25,800
Speaker 1: Is it straight away? Is it going straight up? What

1056
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:26,239
Speaker 1: is it?

1057
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:26,840
Speaker 7: So?

1058
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:30,759
Speaker 5: I mean, I've gotten I've gotten crazy about this game.

1059
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 5: Anthony Matterez helped me tremendously. I went up there and

1060
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 5: took lessons as part of this book. I took lessons

1061
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:39,400
Speaker 5: from him and carry luft Our editor stood behind me

1062
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 5: and videoed everything that was said. I've got the videos

1063
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 5: of Anthony Saytan, will you don't trust yourself? Will You're

1064
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 5: not look you're you're stepping up to the plate and

1065
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:51,719
Speaker 5: you've You've gone to the prom and you've got a date.

1066
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 1: She's what you got. You know you ain't gonna find

1067
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:56,279
Speaker 1: another one.

1068
00:52:57,080 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 5: And it's just amazing the analogies that he use to

1069
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 5: be able to help me understand how to properly move

1070
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 5: a shotgun. But I've made friends with Givin Miles from

1071
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 5: Arizona and his wife carrying both world champions, Bill Maguire

1072
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 5: from Tennessee World champion. I mean, these guys are so

1073
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:16,799
Speaker 5: much fun and they're so great and they're all very accomplished.

1074
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:19,239
Speaker 5: And when I went to Anthony, he wrote a book

1075
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:22,800
Speaker 5: called Straight Shooting one hundred dollars Coffee table book. And

1076
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 5: I went to him and said, when you signed my book,

1077
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:27,399
Speaker 5: and he said, will I'll be glad to sign your book?

1078
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 1: I went, how's he no mon name.

1079
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 5: He turns out he's a duck hunter and all he

1080
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:35,879
Speaker 5: uses is the witch. Yeah, so he and his brother

1081
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:38,360
Speaker 5: are big witch callers that they hunt. They live on

1082
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:41,319
Speaker 5: Delaware Bay on the river there and they hunt every day.

1083
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 5: They're crazy. And so he called me the next day.

1084
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 5: I said, how'd he get my number?

1085
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 1: You know what kind of deal?

1086
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:50,279
Speaker 5: He actually emailed me and I said, how do you

1087
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 5: get my email? And he says, call me sometime. I

1088
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:55,359
Speaker 5: adn't mailing him back. I said, is now a good time?

1089
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 1: He said sure. I called him.

1090
00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:00,359
Speaker 5: He said, let's write a book together. I said, okay,

1091
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 5: what are we gonna write a book about? He goes

1092
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 5: about you learning how to shoot?

1093
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:08,319
Speaker 1: Well, you know that eye trick. That's great. I never

1094
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:10,920
Speaker 1: heard that eye trick with birds, like I am absolutely

1095
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:15,279
Speaker 1: try it dissecting the sage brush or whatever. Being like,

1096
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:17,440
Speaker 1: I'm gonna see that try I'm gonna look for that sucker.

1097
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:19,320
Speaker 1: What are your eyes doing in the duck bline?

1098
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:22,880
Speaker 5: Oh well, it depends on whether you're the one who's

1099
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 5: controlling the blind or not. If you are not the

1100
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 5: coller just gonna call the shots. You're not doing the colling. No,

1101
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 5: you're looking down hopefully you're seeing the reflection in the water. Mate,

1102
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 5: you're watching the collar. You're you're hiding. That's the worst

1103
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:39,960
Speaker 5: thing waterfowlers do is they don't hide, and the ducks

1104
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:43,360
Speaker 5: see something they don't like. Maybe circle one more time. Whatever,

1105
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:44,799
Speaker 5: you know, you gotta hide, so.

1106
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 1: So you'll you're content to miss the show.

1107
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 5: If you're not, you have to be if you want

1108
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 5: to get good shots, okay, because you're screw up putting

1109
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:54,840
Speaker 5: your big old white face out there. You know, we

1110
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:57,759
Speaker 5: wearing masks and stuff like that. But they see movement you.

1111
00:54:58,040 --> 00:54:59,400
Speaker 5: It's best to have something over you.

1112
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:01,920
Speaker 1: So when you go to make the shot on a mallard,

1113
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:05,280
Speaker 1: are you you're looking at a part of the mallard?

1114
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 12: Right?

1115
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:07,239
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, It depends on the shot. If he's coming

1116
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:11,040
Speaker 5: into decoys, I'm I'm naming at his feet because he's

1117
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:14,840
Speaker 5: coming down. If he's let and now he's rising, you know,

1118
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:18,319
Speaker 5: I'm I'm just mounting right on the duck and moving

1119
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:21,279
Speaker 5: my gun slightly above his head, just like maybe an inch,

1120
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:24,400
Speaker 5: trying to shoot him right, you know, just as as

1121
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 5: he moved. Depends on the steep.

1122
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:30,279
Speaker 1: Whether it's a teal that's real fast and rising, if

1123
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:31,240
Speaker 1: the duck's crossing.

1124
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 5: It depends on the speed. George Digweed is the twenty

1125
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:41,760
Speaker 5: eight time world champion from England. He's won the World champion,

1126
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:46,160
Speaker 5: Anthony's won everything. Uh, George has won the world, especially

1127
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:50,400
Speaker 5: in Hungary and in Dubai and all over the place.

1128
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 4: Uh.

1129
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 5: And I just went to England and took lessons shot

1130
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:58,680
Speaker 5: a day with George Digweed and the guys. He's he's

1131
00:55:58,760 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 5: he doesn't know what he does.

1132
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:00,279
Speaker 1: He's so good.

1133
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:02,560
Speaker 5: He's incredible, he's incredible.

1134
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 1: He primarily uses swing through.

1135
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:08,799
Speaker 5: He starts behind the bird, gets perfectly online and comes

1136
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:14,440
Speaker 5: through the bird and for ninety five percent of his shots.

1137
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:17,840
Speaker 5: But there's just just so wonderful studying this and understanding.

1138
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:21,320
Speaker 5: But writing that book, you know, with with with Carrie

1139
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:26,840
Speaker 5: and Anthony was incredible because I have now I now

1140
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:27,920
Speaker 5: don't have any excuses.

1141
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 1: That's the deal. Well, yeah, because now you wrote a

1142
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 1: book about it. Yeah, it's gonna be embarrassing when you miss.

1143
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:35,960
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah. I want to tell

1144
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:37,600
Speaker 1: you the worst shot for me, Maybe you can tell

1145
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 1: me what the problem is. Darks come in you know whatever,

1146
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 1: they're coming into decoys. Everybody shoots and then you get

1147
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 1: the one that's like he's leaving, he's going up, he's

1148
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:54,320
Speaker 1: going right or left, and he's going over your shoulder.

1149
00:56:54,880 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 1: So from my perspective, he's going Okay, that's hard. Okay. Now,

1150
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:04,399
Speaker 1: sometimes maybe he's already been hit a little bit to see,

1151
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:05,719
Speaker 1: especially when to here's the duck.

1152
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:10,400
Speaker 5: Okay, go in this mount right behind him and follow

1153
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:12,879
Speaker 5: his line, and when the gun passes his beak, pull

1154
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:15,759
Speaker 5: the trigger. The speed of the gun will give you

1155
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:19,640
Speaker 5: the lead. Mount own the duck, come right through and

1156
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:22,560
Speaker 5: that gives you the line. And move right through and

1157
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 5: look at something on there. Look at his beak, look

1158
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:27,919
Speaker 5: at his feet through something. Don't look at the duck,

1159
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 5: and do not look at the gun. It's just like

1160
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 5: when you hit a baseball.

1161
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 1: You're not looking at your bead at all.

1162
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:38,480
Speaker 5: No, no, Now, the only time you would do that,

1163
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:41,960
Speaker 5: The only time you would do that is if a

1164
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:45,480
Speaker 5: low flying bird is coming in and he's close to

1165
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 5: the ground your gun. Your brain will confuse the dark

1166
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 5: color of the you see the gun.

1167
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:53,480
Speaker 1: In your periphery.

1168
00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:56,160
Speaker 5: I'm gonna use this analogy. It's like it's like merging

1169
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:59,560
Speaker 5: into traffic. You're not looking at your hood. You're looking

1170
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:03,240
Speaker 5: at the track, and so you're timing your speed of

1171
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:06,520
Speaker 5: your vehicle to either merge in front of a car

1172
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:09,160
Speaker 5: or right behind it. That's what you're doing with a

1173
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:12,480
Speaker 5: shot gun. You're taking your gun and you're matching speeds

1174
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:15,439
Speaker 5: with the bird and then slightly moving ahead to pull

1175
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 5: the trigger that gives you the lead.

1176
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 1: All these analogies you're using, like when you throw a ball,

1177
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 1: you don't look at your arm. When you're driving your car,

1178
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 1: you don't look at your car right.

1179
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:26,960
Speaker 6: No, listen, when I got to shoot a little bit

1180
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 6: with an instructor in Latvia a couple of years ago.

1181
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:34,480
Speaker 6: Anytime I've shot with an instructor and I'm I first thing,

1182
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 6: I'll tell him as well, not that good because I'm

1183
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:39,520
Speaker 6: left eye dominant and I shoot right handed. And this

1184
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 6: guy he looked at me and goes, oh, So I

1185
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 6: was like, well, still sometimes I like to close my

1186
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 6: left eye. It helps me line everything up. And he goes, oh,

1187
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:49,160
Speaker 6: when you you play basketball at all?

1188
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:50,600
Speaker 3: I go, yeah, decent shot.

1189
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:50,760
Speaker 1: You know.

1190
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:52,520
Speaker 3: He goes, do you close one eye when you shoot

1191
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 3: your basketball?

1192
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:54,840
Speaker 5: No?

1193
00:58:55,720 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 1: You know, no, I just that yeah, so very very free.

1194
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:05,040
Speaker 5: People are a hundred percent left or right eye dominant,

1195
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:07,800
Speaker 5: and there's a there's a test to do that.

1196
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:10,320
Speaker 1: Did we show it in the book, so not to

1197
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:14,080
Speaker 1: this one. So if I'm looking at you, you know

1198
00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:19,440
Speaker 1: no that that only shows you, which is okay. Because

1199
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:23,960
Speaker 1: this is an audio thing, there's a video component which

1200
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 1: you can find What's Our What's.

1201
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:29,960
Speaker 10: Our Meat Eater podcast network on YouTube.

1202
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:32,640
Speaker 1: Make sure you hit the subscribe. It was also so

1203
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:36,560
Speaker 1: from the ever since I was a little boy. I

1204
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 1: want to tell what Yanni did when I did like

1205
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:41,400
Speaker 1: my dad would say, as probably ninety percent of dads

1206
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:44,000
Speaker 1: in America would say to their kid if this question

1207
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:47,560
Speaker 1: comes up, they'd go when they're trying to ascertain if

1208
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:50,479
Speaker 1: their kid is right or left eye dominant, they go like, okay,

1209
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:53,160
Speaker 1: aim your thumb at me, close your eye and aim

1210
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:56,920
Speaker 1: your thumb at me right and I close my right

1211
00:59:57,000 --> 00:59:59,760
Speaker 1: eye and then aim my and I'd take my left

1212
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:02,120
Speaker 1: eye and and my thumb at will and then they go,

1213
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:06,280
Speaker 1: left eye, donamant left eye dominant? Yohani did, uh. He

1214
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:08,600
Speaker 1: made a little he put his hands together and made

1215
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:11,480
Speaker 1: a little diamond between his What do you call that

1216
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 1: the crook of your thumb?

1217
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:15,720
Speaker 10: I don't tell that is like a like a an

1218
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:16,919
Speaker 10: arrow pointing out.

1219
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:18,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, make the make it inverted.

1220
01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 5: I love you get as small as you can look.

1221
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:22,320
Speaker 1: Tighten her down, down down, So you got a little

1222
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:25,160
Speaker 1: aperture there and then aim that at someone.

1223
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:30,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, that tells you what you're most most likely to eat.

1224
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:34,280
Speaker 5: But the real test is like like like right now,

1225
01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:37,440
Speaker 5: I am going to point at your right eye, okay,

1226
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:39,920
Speaker 5: and I want you to look and see where my

1227
01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:41,600
Speaker 5: finger is and lined up on my eyes?

1228
01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:45,240
Speaker 1: Where is it? Oh? Huh? What where is it? Where's

1229
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:47,880
Speaker 1: where is where is my finger in relation to my eyes?

1230
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:49,760
Speaker 3: On your right eye?

1231
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:53,400
Speaker 1: Okay? H where is it?

1232
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:54,880
Speaker 3: On your nose?

1233
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:58,840
Speaker 1: Will you? Guys will yelling at you? So you look

1234
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:01,320
Speaker 1: at his eyes when he points, say that very naturally.

1235
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:04,560
Speaker 1: If you see me to get off his land, I'd

1236
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:05,520
Speaker 1: probably get off his lamb.

1237
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:09,760
Speaker 5: So what you're doing is you're you're establishing how much dominant?

1238
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:11,920
Speaker 1: Do it to me? Because I don't understand huh, doud

1239
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:13,400
Speaker 1: do the same thing to me? I'm trying to understand

1240
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:13,880
Speaker 1: what he's seeing.

1241
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:17,040
Speaker 5: Okay, So I'm going to point. I'm gonna you're you're

1242
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:19,320
Speaker 5: trying to tell me. You're trying to tell me which

1243
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:20,640
Speaker 5: one of my eyes is dominant?

1244
01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:23,760
Speaker 1: But I got both open. Oh yeah, you're closed. I

1245
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:24,240
Speaker 1: am too.

1246
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:26,680
Speaker 5: So I'm gonna point my finger at your right eye.

1247
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:28,600
Speaker 5: Where is my finger lined up.

1248
01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:31,080
Speaker 1: On my face a little bit that way.

1249
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:34,280
Speaker 10: Of center, looks that way to the left, Steve.

1250
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:38,640
Speaker 1: Right eye, Will's right eye. I'm looking at you dead

1251
01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:41,320
Speaker 1: eye with both my eyes. It's on the bridge of

1252
01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:41,720
Speaker 1: your nose.

1253
01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:44,800
Speaker 5: Should be my finger should be lined up with my

1254
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:48,680
Speaker 5: right eye. It's not right there.

1255
01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:53,040
Speaker 1: It's dead nuts on the bridge your nose. Okay, now

1256
01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:55,640
Speaker 1: now you got to you got two left eyes. Now

1257
01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:57,760
Speaker 1: now I'm pointing my finger with both eyes with my

1258
01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:00,240
Speaker 1: left hand. Now it says that way.

1259
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:02,840
Speaker 5: So what you're doing, you end up you end up

1260
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:06,880
Speaker 5: establishing somebody can be cross eye dominant and they get

1261
01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:07,400
Speaker 5: their both.

1262
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:10,040
Speaker 1: So if it's on the middle of your bridge, you're

1263
01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:10,920
Speaker 1: seeing with.

1264
01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:13,240
Speaker 5: Both your eye, both your eyes. So that's that can

1265
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:15,840
Speaker 5: be very hard for a shooter because it's brains does

1266
01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:19,880
Speaker 5: the brain doesn't know which eye to tell the hands

1267
01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:22,560
Speaker 5: where to go. So when you have when you're when

1268
01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:26,640
Speaker 5: you're dominant, you can be eighty percent dominant, ninety percent dominant. See,

1269
01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:31,040
Speaker 5: so it's very important to establish that. So you should

1270
01:02:31,120 --> 01:02:32,920
Speaker 5: establish that and One of the things you could do

1271
01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:34,640
Speaker 5: if you wanted to do, You could put a dot

1272
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:36,680
Speaker 5: over your glasses. We talk about that in the book,

1273
01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:40,200
Speaker 5: to barely obscure your dominant eye a little bit.

1274
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:41,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've done that.

1275
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:43,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, so that it makes your other eye your you're

1276
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:47,120
Speaker 5: said left eye, your your left eyes dominant.

1277
01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:51,240
Speaker 1: But can we establish like a very basic thing you

1278
01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:55,760
Speaker 1: it's true, this is true right like when you're when

1279
01:02:55,800 --> 01:03:00,080
Speaker 1: you're wing shooting, there's no reason to be closed in

1280
01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:00,520
Speaker 1: the eyes.

1281
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:02,480
Speaker 5: Well, I was going on to that, we got distracted

1282
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:04,080
Speaker 5: a little bit. So if the bird is loaded the

1283
01:03:04,120 --> 01:03:07,320
Speaker 5: ground and coming in close, coming in right at you,

1284
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:10,880
Speaker 5: the brain can confuse the barrel. You're seeing the barrel

1285
01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:13,160
Speaker 5: like the hood of your car. It's in your periphery.

1286
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:16,880
Speaker 5: You don't really see it, but your brain is going well,

1287
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:20,200
Speaker 5: and you think you're on the target and you miss, Well,

1288
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:23,680
Speaker 5: that's a that's a spot shot. That's a spot on

1289
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:26,560
Speaker 5: aim shot. You point it like a rifle. So for

1290
01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:30,160
Speaker 5: a coming straight at you. A lot of times in sportingclays,

1291
01:03:30,200 --> 01:03:32,160
Speaker 5: I was shutting my left eye because I want to

1292
01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:35,400
Speaker 5: make sure my gun's pointing right at that. There's no

1293
01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:37,120
Speaker 5: lead involved, you know.

1294
01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:40,440
Speaker 1: God then you're aiming at like you're shooting a turkey.

1295
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:41,120
Speaker 1: That's right.

1296
01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:45,360
Speaker 5: So there are instances, and Anthony talks about it in

1297
01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:48,720
Speaker 5: his book Straight Shooting. He was a young guy, he

1298
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:51,400
Speaker 5: was doing really well. He was down in Florida shooting

1299
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:54,440
Speaker 5: in a major tournament, and I believe he shot. He came,

1300
01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:57,320
Speaker 5: he tied for six, but he was he was winning.

1301
01:03:57,720 --> 01:03:59,760
Speaker 5: And he got to the station with that low incoming

1302
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:03,840
Speaker 5: and Dan Carlisle was an Olympic champion bunker trap and

1303
01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:09,080
Speaker 5: other disciplines, and he taught Anthony never to close the eye.

1304
01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:10,760
Speaker 5: And Anthony went back.

1305
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:13,760
Speaker 1: He was tearful. I believe he was like eighteen years old.

1306
01:04:14,120 --> 01:04:16,560
Speaker 5: He was tearful. He was gonna win this tournament and

1307
01:04:17,120 --> 01:04:21,280
Speaker 5: he tied for six. He went home and thought about it,

1308
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:23,360
Speaker 5: thought about it, went back to this hotel, thought about it,

1309
01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:25,720
Speaker 5: thought about it, and the next day he shot one

1310
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:29,960
Speaker 5: hundred straight. He figured out that he needed to squint

1311
01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:32,440
Speaker 5: an eye or close it a little bit on these

1312
01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:36,320
Speaker 5: incoming straight birds to be positive where his brain was

1313
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:37,880
Speaker 5: being told his gun was pointing.

1314
01:04:38,560 --> 01:04:38,880
Speaker 1: Hmmm.

1315
01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:42,960
Speaker 5: So there are disciplines and nuances within the game for

1316
01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:45,560
Speaker 5: different stuff. Just like you said, that's the way I shoot,

1317
01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:48,280
Speaker 5: you shoot and maintain lead. If you would mount on

1318
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:50,120
Speaker 5: the bird on some of those then barely move in

1319
01:04:50,200 --> 01:04:52,040
Speaker 5: front of him, it gives you the line you're not

1320
01:04:52,520 --> 01:04:55,320
Speaker 5: when you mount online, you're taking out the fact that

1321
01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:58,320
Speaker 5: I'm too low or too high. You start right behind

1322
01:04:58,360 --> 01:04:59,880
Speaker 5: the bird and move straight through, so you're in the

1323
01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:01,479
Speaker 5: line with the flight of the bird.

1324
01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:02,440
Speaker 1: M hm.

1325
01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:07,200
Speaker 5: And that takes out fifty of your error over and under.

1326
01:05:08,040 --> 01:05:08,480
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

1327
01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:11,360
Speaker 10: But Steve, that sounds exactly like what you've told me

1328
01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:13,320
Speaker 10: in the past when you've taken me out. You're like,

1329
01:05:13,560 --> 01:05:18,560
Speaker 10: imagine a paint brush and you're painting beyond the bird.

1330
01:05:18,600 --> 01:05:20,280
Speaker 10: I don't think you told me to keep an eye

1331
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:23,000
Speaker 10: on the dot. You're like, you're going beyond the bird,

1332
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:26,960
Speaker 10: in front of it from the beak, and that's where

1333
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:28,960
Speaker 10: you're shooting because the time that you know.

1334
01:05:29,320 --> 01:05:31,200
Speaker 1: Okay, So yeah, there's a lot of things in life

1335
01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:36,280
Speaker 1: where we tell people your thing fine, then you catch

1336
01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:39,760
Speaker 1: yourself not but yeah, like in my you know, and

1337
01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:41,640
Speaker 1: then in the heat of the moment or whatever, and

1338
01:05:41,720 --> 01:05:43,840
Speaker 1: you just might have not doing there's certain things you

1339
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:46,480
Speaker 1: don't do, you know. But I've done enough where I

1340
01:05:46,520 --> 01:05:50,760
Speaker 1: can try different not as disciplined as you are. But

1341
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:52,960
Speaker 1: I've done enough shooting where I know that in some

1342
01:05:53,160 --> 01:05:57,200
Speaker 1: try instances this and some instances that. But but you're

1343
01:05:57,240 --> 01:06:02,240
Speaker 1: talking about a very You're talking about really major shifts

1344
01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:05,880
Speaker 1: and strategy based on situations. And I think most shooters

1345
01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:09,520
Speaker 1: are not consciously yeah, thinking about not consciously going, I'm

1346
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:11,720
Speaker 1: gonna use this method. Now, I'm gona use that method

1347
01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:13,960
Speaker 1: on that shot. I'm gonna use that method on that show.

1348
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:19,200
Speaker 5: That brings you to understanding gunfit. So gunfit is not

1349
01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:21,720
Speaker 5: the number one thing, but if you want you to

1350
01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:24,800
Speaker 5: get to shooting a little bit, gunfit is major important

1351
01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:28,080
Speaker 5: because when you mount that gun, when you mount that gun,

1352
01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:31,440
Speaker 5: I should be pointing at what I'm aiming at. So

1353
01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:35,120
Speaker 5: when I'm helping somebody, I'll let them fit the gun,

1354
01:06:35,240 --> 01:06:37,320
Speaker 5: show me it's unloaded, and then I have them mounted

1355
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:39,960
Speaker 5: and pointed at my right eye, and I can look

1356
01:06:40,080 --> 01:06:42,760
Speaker 5: down and see exactly where their eyes looking, so I

1357
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:45,320
Speaker 5: can tell it if there's too much not enough comb

1358
01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:48,680
Speaker 5: height too. You know, the comb mite's too low, it's

1359
01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:52,320
Speaker 5: too high, the pitch is wrong. And women are different

1360
01:06:52,360 --> 01:06:54,960
Speaker 5: than men, They're built different. So the heel to toe

1361
01:06:55,400 --> 01:06:59,080
Speaker 5: of the butt plate and how it's angled can hurt

1362
01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:01,560
Speaker 5: and it also so if a gun hurts you, it

1363
01:07:01,640 --> 01:07:04,120
Speaker 5: doesn't fit you. If it hurts your face or your shoulder,

1364
01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:09,840
Speaker 5: it probably doesn't fit you. And everybody, most everybody shoots

1365
01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:13,360
Speaker 5: too hot a shells. They shoot way too much.

1366
01:07:13,600 --> 01:07:17,080
Speaker 1: Pa, there's not better, no no news to me.

1367
01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:22,480
Speaker 5: I can show you right now George Digweed shooting clays

1368
01:07:23,520 --> 01:07:29,520
Speaker 5: at a one hundred and thirty yards with not too

1369
01:07:29,600 --> 01:07:30,200
Speaker 5: hot of shells.

1370
01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:33,680
Speaker 1: I can't picture that. You see the video kind of

1371
01:07:33,720 --> 01:07:35,959
Speaker 1: like lobbing it in there. Man, you're holding for drop.

1372
01:07:36,200 --> 01:07:38,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, he is doing that too, but it's incredible.

1373
01:07:38,560 --> 01:07:41,680
Speaker 1: Are you ever holding for drop on ducks only.

1374
01:07:41,520 --> 01:07:44,560
Speaker 5: If they're seventy five eighty yards or further? Okay, you

1375
01:07:44,680 --> 01:07:45,600
Speaker 5: shoot slightly.

1376
01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:46,920
Speaker 1: Off, so that's not the thing you're not.

1377
01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:48,880
Speaker 5: You don't shoot at him that far. Yeah, you don't

1378
01:07:48,920 --> 01:07:49,720
Speaker 5: shoot at him that far.

1379
01:07:51,800 --> 01:07:53,640
Speaker 6: Here's one thing I'd like to ask you a lot

1380
01:07:53,680 --> 01:07:56,760
Speaker 6: of times I've heard from water fowlers that a good

1381
01:07:56,840 --> 01:07:59,080
Speaker 6: way to know if the duck is close enough to

1382
01:07:59,320 --> 01:08:01,600
Speaker 6: shoot at is when you can see their eye.

1383
01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:04,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, you've heard that that's really close. That's good, that's good,

1384
01:08:05,040 --> 01:08:05,400
Speaker 1: that's good.

1385
01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:08,160
Speaker 6: But it means that like, there's that mandatory or do

1386
01:08:08,240 --> 01:08:10,240
Speaker 6: you feel like, oh no, I could easily shoot when

1387
01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:12,320
Speaker 6: I can't see can't make out the ducks eye.

1388
01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:14,040
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, you can see the color of the head.

1389
01:08:14,120 --> 01:08:16,800
Speaker 5: You can just mallards are great because you could see

1390
01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:19,280
Speaker 5: the green head from the hen. You got something to

1391
01:08:19,400 --> 01:08:24,599
Speaker 5: focus on. But typically you learn like bow hunting. Yeah,

1392
01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:28,240
Speaker 5: when before rangefinders got so easy to use and so forth,

1393
01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:30,640
Speaker 5: if I can look at that tree and I can

1394
01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:33,439
Speaker 5: see the distinguishing mark bark on that tree with my

1395
01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:35,800
Speaker 5: twenty twenty vision, twenty fifteen vision, when if I can

1396
01:08:35,880 --> 01:08:39,479
Speaker 5: see that, I know that that tree is thirty five

1397
01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:40,280
Speaker 5: yards are closer.

1398
01:08:40,680 --> 01:08:42,960
Speaker 1: Hmm. That's a good little trick.

1399
01:08:43,240 --> 01:08:45,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, but you've got to know your eyes to be

1400
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:46,960
Speaker 5: able to do that.

1401
01:08:47,240 --> 01:08:47,880
Speaker 1: That's a great trick.

1402
01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:50,240
Speaker 5: And here's here's here's a perfect example to kind of

1403
01:08:50,280 --> 01:08:52,479
Speaker 5: help you put some of this lead and so forth.

1404
01:08:52,600 --> 01:08:56,639
Speaker 5: Let's say that birds doing that. Okay, he's flying pretty

1405
01:08:56,680 --> 01:08:58,680
Speaker 5: fast and he's I'm just shooting as a way to

1406
01:08:58,720 --> 01:09:01,960
Speaker 5: say goodbye thirty yards Okay, So what you do is.

1407
01:09:02,160 --> 01:09:05,080
Speaker 1: Showing him out here up here comes the bird over

1408
01:09:05,160 --> 01:09:09,800
Speaker 1: your head. Oh, you mount right behind him and when

1409
01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:12,920
Speaker 1: you move straight down the line, your hands, your gun

1410
01:09:13,720 --> 01:09:17,080
Speaker 1: will hide the bird. But what you're doing is, if

1411
01:09:17,160 --> 01:09:19,639
Speaker 1: the bird's flying at twenty miles an hour, you want

1412
01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:21,680
Speaker 1: to move your gun at twenty one or twenty two

1413
01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:22,400
Speaker 1: miles an hour.

1414
01:09:22,720 --> 01:09:26,040
Speaker 5: So you combine. And when you combine, you keep moving

1415
01:09:26,120 --> 01:09:28,360
Speaker 5: your gun and you bend at the waist and.

1416
01:09:28,439 --> 01:09:31,840
Speaker 1: You pull the trigger, and he will crumple when you

1417
01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:35,320
Speaker 1: pull that trigger. Are you already pulling the second shot?

1418
01:09:36,320 --> 01:09:39,599
Speaker 10: No, okay, you're not, like, because he knows he's gonna

1419
01:09:39,680 --> 01:09:39,840
Speaker 10: hit it.

1420
01:09:40,040 --> 01:09:47,280
Speaker 1: No, this is not I don't know if this is

1421
01:09:47,320 --> 01:09:51,120
Speaker 1: a this is a uh, this is at assary, This

1422
01:09:51,160 --> 01:09:54,040
Speaker 1: isn't a wing shooting question. But uh, in your mind,

1423
01:09:54,240 --> 01:09:59,400
Speaker 1: what's a far away turkey? What's a fire shot? Forty yards? Okay?

1424
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:02,840
Speaker 1: I won't shoot one past forty just because it's not

1425
01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:05,160
Speaker 1: the game, right, and it's not the game, and it's

1426
01:10:05,200 --> 01:10:05,679
Speaker 1: not fair.

1427
01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:08,120
Speaker 5: There's too many little things that can go wrong. Okay,

1428
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:13,200
Speaker 5: but it might be forty five, but I misjudged the distance. Really, Yeah,

1429
01:10:13,560 --> 01:10:18,240
Speaker 5: I shoot tss. I shoot a twenty gauge youth eleven

1430
01:10:18,280 --> 01:10:19,920
Speaker 5: eighty seven with a silencer.

1431
01:10:21,479 --> 01:10:24,160
Speaker 1: What do you use for using an optic or to

1432
01:10:24,240 --> 01:10:24,920
Speaker 1: shoot beads.

1433
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:28,320
Speaker 5: So, because the silencer is a big can, I had

1434
01:10:28,360 --> 01:10:32,120
Speaker 5: to put a I put a Bushnell hologram kind of sight.

1435
01:10:32,600 --> 01:10:35,120
Speaker 5: It's kind of weird. No matter where your head is,

1436
01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:37,479
Speaker 5: as long as the dots on there, it kills it.

1437
01:10:37,880 --> 01:10:39,960
Speaker 1: Dude, I was into those, well, no, I wasn't. I

1438
01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:43,000
Speaker 1: was using those for my kids. The red dots, Okay.

1439
01:10:43,320 --> 01:10:45,360
Speaker 1: I was putting red dots on a break open four

1440
01:10:45,479 --> 01:10:48,840
Speaker 1: ten okay, because it's just easy to explain to a kid. Yeah,

1441
01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:54,800
Speaker 1: I shot red dots last spring on turkeys. I'm done.

1442
01:10:55,439 --> 01:10:58,080
Speaker 5: I'm a bead gallon turkeys. If I didn't have my

1443
01:10:58,240 --> 01:11:00,040
Speaker 5: silence shirt, it's beads.

1444
01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:02,360
Speaker 1: Done with that craft. Yeah, it's fun, but it's just

1445
01:11:02,479 --> 01:11:05,120
Speaker 1: it's just another thing to think about it, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1446
01:11:05,240 --> 01:11:06,000
Speaker 1: it's another thing thing.

1447
01:11:06,120 --> 01:11:08,559
Speaker 5: She should have shot gun, you know. And I've gone

1448
01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:10,120
Speaker 5: to the silencer because of my ears.

1449
01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:12,200
Speaker 1: Sure, so I know that you got to. You got to.

1450
01:11:12,320 --> 01:11:13,920
Speaker 1: You got the hearing aid, I got to hear it.

1451
01:11:14,320 --> 01:11:16,120
Speaker 1: You blew your years out of your head over the years.

1452
01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:20,000
Speaker 5: Look, I was the Martians ship instructor and the Air Force.

1453
01:11:20,160 --> 01:11:22,280
Speaker 5: I taught people how to shoot them sixteen's and thirty

1454
01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:24,000
Speaker 5: eight and forty five stuff they got shot down in

1455
01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:27,320
Speaker 5: the airplanes. They could protect themselves, and they didn't tell

1456
01:11:27,360 --> 01:11:29,320
Speaker 5: us to protect their ears. They gave us some mere

1457
01:11:29,400 --> 01:11:31,920
Speaker 5: must in Lackland where I trained, but they didn't tell

1458
01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:34,080
Speaker 5: us we had to use them. And then I shot skip.

1459
01:11:34,360 --> 01:11:37,360
Speaker 5: I was the I was the Mississippi State Junior skeeek

1460
01:11:37,479 --> 01:11:42,759
Speaker 5: champion in nineteen sixty four at twelve years old. Nobody

1461
01:11:43,000 --> 01:11:45,880
Speaker 5: entered but me, and I won by the fault. I

1462
01:11:46,120 --> 01:11:48,599
Speaker 5: never forget my little futer cup. I'm standing up.

1463
01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:49,120
Speaker 9: I won.

1464
01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:52,799
Speaker 1: Isn't that something I didn't wear? Hear in protection?

1465
01:11:52,960 --> 01:11:55,479
Speaker 5: So now I've got I've got, you know, I've got

1466
01:11:55,680 --> 01:11:58,160
Speaker 5: here in eighth and I got high frequency back. I

1467
01:11:58,200 --> 01:12:00,960
Speaker 5: can hear high frequency. I can talk to a child now,

1468
01:12:01,280 --> 01:12:02,800
Speaker 5: whereas I couldn't for a long time.

1469
01:12:03,240 --> 01:12:06,240
Speaker 1: And you know, did it bring the gobbels back? Yeah,

1470
01:12:06,360 --> 01:12:06,880
Speaker 1: for a long way.

1471
01:12:06,920 --> 01:12:07,080
Speaker 9: You know.

1472
01:12:07,160 --> 01:12:07,800
Speaker 1: Grace started it.

1473
01:12:07,880 --> 01:12:13,120
Speaker 5: She came, dear precious friend of mine, and Grace she's

1474
01:12:13,200 --> 01:12:15,240
Speaker 5: meeting with me, and she looks at my chart and

1475
01:12:15,320 --> 01:12:17,960
Speaker 5: she says, will you need to be wearing here in age?

1476
01:12:18,160 --> 01:12:19,960
Speaker 5: I says, I don't really want to wear here in age.

1477
01:12:20,160 --> 01:12:22,719
Speaker 5: I'm due fine without him, she says. Will the first

1478
01:12:23,360 --> 01:12:26,240
Speaker 5: The first thing that somebody who's lost the kind of

1479
01:12:26,280 --> 01:12:30,080
Speaker 5: hearing that you've lost is gonna get is dementia. Your

1480
01:12:30,200 --> 01:12:35,000
Speaker 5: brain quits using that part of the brain. And so

1481
01:12:35,240 --> 01:12:37,720
Speaker 5: I said, okay, I'm in. So she'd send a lady

1482
01:12:37,720 --> 01:12:40,320
Speaker 5: who calls on your house. I got these hearing aids.

1483
01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:43,240
Speaker 5: I'm learning to use them. I walked outside one morning,

1484
01:12:44,160 --> 01:12:46,320
Speaker 5: it's just barely getting light. It's still dark. Then the

1485
01:12:46,400 --> 01:12:48,720
Speaker 5: winter oak tree is bird singing up there. I went,

1486
01:12:48,840 --> 01:12:51,960
Speaker 5: holy CD, I've never heard that bird before. That is incredible.

1487
01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:54,280
Speaker 5: I went back inside. I got my binoculars. I want

1488
01:12:54,280 --> 01:12:56,000
Speaker 5: to see what bird it was. Bird wasn't there. I'm

1489
01:12:56,040 --> 01:12:58,599
Speaker 5: standing there. Start singing again. I run in the backyard.

1490
01:12:58,760 --> 01:13:03,920
Speaker 5: There it is, but not, here's a robin. I ain't

1491
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:06,200
Speaker 5: heard a robin sing in twenty five years.

1492
01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:10,840
Speaker 1: I'm headed that way. Yeah, and I was not regret it. Well,

1493
01:13:11,680 --> 01:13:14,240
Speaker 1: the gobbles are getting hard. I always talk. I talk

1494
01:13:14,240 --> 01:13:16,240
Speaker 1: about this all the time. But like my kids, there's

1495
01:13:16,280 --> 01:13:23,240
Speaker 1: one like, no, it's not shut up. Just like Seth

1496
01:13:23,280 --> 01:13:26,439
Speaker 1: and I have fish as next to each other. I'll

1497
01:13:26,520 --> 01:13:30,920
Speaker 1: yell something over that Seth and he'll yell back. I'm big.

1498
01:13:31,320 --> 01:13:32,560
Speaker 1: I look at my kid. He said this.

1499
01:13:34,240 --> 01:13:38,240
Speaker 5: He said, Look when I say we have the camera, mean,

1500
01:13:38,680 --> 01:13:39,160
Speaker 5: what do you saying?

1501
01:13:39,240 --> 01:13:42,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what'd you say. Now I can hear what

1502
01:13:42,080 --> 01:13:42,479
Speaker 1: they say.

1503
01:13:43,320 --> 01:13:45,920
Speaker 5: I got these here and they're they're incredible.

1504
01:13:46,120 --> 01:13:48,200
Speaker 1: Or even in the boat. My daughter will be in

1505
01:13:48,240 --> 01:13:49,679
Speaker 1: the boat and it's set a little bit of background

1506
01:13:49,680 --> 01:13:52,479
Speaker 1: noise of the motor running. Not even bad should be

1507
01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:55,160
Speaker 1: looking out the front of the boat talking everybody in

1508
01:13:55,200 --> 01:13:57,400
Speaker 1: the boat. I'm like, what's she talking about. I'm like, ros,

1509
01:13:57,400 --> 01:13:58,920
Speaker 1: you got to turn around, look at me or come

1510
01:13:59,000 --> 01:14:00,640
Speaker 1: back here. But I can't hear you from one end

1511
01:14:00,640 --> 01:14:02,040
Speaker 1: of this eighteen foot boat to the other.

1512
01:14:02,280 --> 01:14:04,559
Speaker 5: Well, it's a pretty good test that I can hear

1513
01:14:04,720 --> 01:14:07,920
Speaker 5: everything you say in this room because that microfat is

1514
01:14:07,960 --> 01:14:09,679
Speaker 5: in front of your lips and I cannot read your lips.

1515
01:14:11,240 --> 01:14:13,320
Speaker 5: Reading lips is a big deal when you start losing

1516
01:14:13,320 --> 01:14:13,679
Speaker 5: your hearing.

1517
01:14:16,760 --> 01:14:19,519
Speaker 1: I tried so hard not I really try to enforce

1518
01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:22,320
Speaker 1: the hearing aid stuff with my kid. My kid had

1519
01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:27,559
Speaker 1: these we uh on the fourth of July, whereas by

1520
01:14:27,680 --> 01:14:30,400
Speaker 1: by the fireworks, you know, and my kid had these

1521
01:14:30,479 --> 01:14:32,439
Speaker 1: kind of like souped up snapp its that came in

1522
01:14:32,520 --> 01:14:34,800
Speaker 1: this plastic thing, and he decided to try to open

1523
01:14:34,880 --> 01:14:38,639
Speaker 1: that package with his teeth that had his ears ringing,

1524
01:14:38,920 --> 01:14:44,960
Speaker 1: oh blood, his lips all bloody, and one of them snapped.

1525
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:47,080
Speaker 1: It snapped a couple of them because then it detonated

1526
01:14:47,160 --> 01:14:50,920
Speaker 1: its neighbor. And he's like Mayor's mayors, And I'm like,

1527
01:14:51,000 --> 01:14:52,880
Speaker 1: damn it, man, Now he's gonna be like me and

1528
01:14:52,920 --> 01:14:55,600
Speaker 1: a half deaf, you know, And I had the We

1529
01:14:55,760 --> 01:14:58,400
Speaker 1: keep teasing my wife about this because, uh she had

1530
01:14:58,400 --> 01:15:01,479
Speaker 1: probably the best mom quote all the time. She says

1531
01:15:01,680 --> 01:15:04,320
Speaker 1: she's all mad, and uh so the kids always tease

1532
01:15:04,320 --> 01:15:05,760
Speaker 1: her and I do too, but she goes, that's why

1533
01:15:05,880 --> 01:15:13,120
Speaker 1: fireworks should be for professionals. True, we're gonna bring in

1534
01:15:13,160 --> 01:15:17,519
Speaker 1: a professional to light this black cat. The professionals will

1535
01:15:17,560 --> 01:15:25,799
Speaker 1: be here at nine to throw our snappops. That sounds horrible, Uh, anyhow,

1536
01:15:25,800 --> 01:15:29,040
Speaker 1: I don't. Yeah, we were so stupid. I mean, listen,

1537
01:15:30,280 --> 01:15:33,760
Speaker 1: I never not that I wasn't aware of what they

1538
01:15:33,880 --> 01:15:39,560
Speaker 1: were sitting in. Duck blinds. We didn't have blinds, but

1539
01:15:39,880 --> 01:15:43,080
Speaker 1: duck hunting as kids hunker down, make it. Yeah, we

1540
01:15:43,240 --> 01:15:48,519
Speaker 1: make blinds. Whatever duck hunting, including like belly crawling up

1541
01:15:48,720 --> 01:15:50,360
Speaker 1: on ducks in a pond and get them the old

1542
01:15:50,400 --> 01:15:53,639
Speaker 1: one two three with your buddy shotgun, like like three

1543
01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:58,599
Speaker 1: inches from the side of your face. I would people

1544
01:15:58,680 --> 01:16:02,080
Speaker 1: didn't even bring they didn't even leave hearing protection in

1545
01:16:02,200 --> 01:16:06,960
Speaker 1: the truck. Like you simply did not own it.

1546
01:16:08,040 --> 01:16:10,120
Speaker 5: You gotta own it like I don't.

1547
01:16:10,200 --> 01:16:12,040
Speaker 1: When I I don't mean own it like how people

1548
01:16:12,160 --> 01:16:13,600
Speaker 1: use it now, Like you got to own that. You

1549
01:16:13,680 --> 01:16:15,760
Speaker 1: know it's your responsible. I mean own it like they

1550
01:16:15,800 --> 01:16:20,439
Speaker 1: didn't possess. I got you, and it was just a

1551
01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:24,240
Speaker 1: part of the deal that some guy would light one

1552
01:16:24,320 --> 01:16:27,920
Speaker 1: off next to your head. It's just like there's that

1553
01:16:28,040 --> 01:16:28,679
Speaker 1: old feeling.

1554
01:16:30,040 --> 01:16:31,880
Speaker 5: I know, somebody who wanted to be funny and he

1555
01:16:31,960 --> 01:16:33,519
Speaker 5: had a few too many beers and he had his

1556
01:16:33,640 --> 01:16:35,840
Speaker 5: thick of dynamite and they were trying to make it

1557
01:16:35,920 --> 01:16:39,000
Speaker 5: blow up in the air, and he held it the

1558
01:16:39,240 --> 01:16:42,400
Speaker 5: fust just the right late and he went off right there.

1559
01:16:43,280 --> 01:16:47,080
Speaker 1: You got to see his hand his ear. It gives

1560
01:16:47,120 --> 01:16:49,439
Speaker 1: me a sickening feeling now thinking of all that time,

1561
01:16:49,640 --> 01:16:52,200
Speaker 1: all those times when I would just be like for

1562
01:16:52,400 --> 01:16:56,920
Speaker 1: two days, know when someone touched one off next to

1563
01:16:57,000 --> 01:16:57,280
Speaker 1: your head.

1564
01:16:57,400 --> 01:17:00,679
Speaker 5: Yeah, look, the foam mere plugs are inexpensive. They usually

1565
01:17:00,680 --> 01:17:02,439
Speaker 5: give him away gun rangers. And if you know how

1566
01:17:02,479 --> 01:17:04,599
Speaker 5: to use them and you squash them down and put

1567
01:17:04,640 --> 01:17:06,200
Speaker 5: them in your ears and then hold it in there

1568
01:17:06,280 --> 01:17:09,640
Speaker 5: until they swell up, that helps tremendously.

1569
01:17:10,200 --> 01:17:13,479
Speaker 1: That's all Anthony uses. Really, that's a grace start of

1570
01:17:13,560 --> 01:17:16,320
Speaker 1: it makes fantastic. And he just uses the old phoemis.

1571
01:17:16,720 --> 01:17:17,599
Speaker 5: Yeah, the old phoneies.

1572
01:17:17,640 --> 01:17:19,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, better nothing. And I'll tell you what, like when

1573
01:17:19,880 --> 01:17:21,920
Speaker 1: you're young, you can't picture if someone had told me, like,

1574
01:17:21,960 --> 01:17:23,920
Speaker 1: oh later, you'll have hearing problems. And I don't even have,

1575
01:17:24,040 --> 01:17:27,200
Speaker 1: like really I have like kind of hearing problems. You

1576
01:17:27,320 --> 01:17:30,599
Speaker 1: can't hear bugles good like the guy next to you can.

1577
01:17:31,040 --> 01:17:35,080
Speaker 1: And the worst is not hearing gobbles. I have to

1578
01:17:35,200 --> 01:17:36,840
Speaker 1: look at it. Like when I'm hunting with Seth, I

1579
01:17:36,960 --> 01:17:39,280
Speaker 1: just had to look like we'll we'll crow call whatever

1580
01:17:39,400 --> 01:17:41,880
Speaker 1: and that will brill in my case blue jay crawl

1581
01:17:41,960 --> 01:17:45,679
Speaker 1: you know how, We'll make a noise, will make a loud,

1582
01:17:45,800 --> 01:17:48,360
Speaker 1: disruptive noise, and I'll have to look at I'll listen,

1583
01:17:48,439 --> 01:17:50,160
Speaker 1: but I'm also looking at Seth to see if he

1584
01:17:50,320 --> 01:17:53,160
Speaker 1: like raises his eyebrows or some indication to something.

1585
01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:56,680
Speaker 5: Which like an alcoholic. The first step is admitting you

1586
01:17:56,760 --> 01:17:57,360
Speaker 5: have a problem.

1587
01:17:58,200 --> 01:18:04,080
Speaker 1: You have a problem with yeah, calls and hearing. Yeah,

1588
01:18:04,120 --> 01:18:08,800
Speaker 1: that's my two primary problems. Uh. You and I are

1589
01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:11,880
Speaker 1: both big fans of Jeremiah Johnson.

1590
01:18:13,280 --> 01:18:17,080
Speaker 5: No, no, no better cinematography, no better word.

1591
01:18:17,560 --> 01:18:19,040
Speaker 1: You think that was the Hunter? Let me ask you,

1592
01:18:19,240 --> 01:18:21,800
Speaker 1: do you think a hunter shout that movie or a

1593
01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:22,360
Speaker 1: camera guy?

1594
01:18:23,320 --> 01:18:25,720
Speaker 3: I think it was a camera Well, can you get

1595
01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:27,040
Speaker 3: a little closer to your microphone please?

1596
01:18:27,200 --> 01:18:30,559
Speaker 1: I'm I think it was the camera guy. Yeah, yeah, Uh,

1597
01:18:30,760 --> 01:18:34,759
Speaker 1: will brought me a gift. The position of this suggests

1598
01:18:34,840 --> 01:18:39,120
Speaker 1: that you're trying to take credit for writing Jeremiah Johnson.

1599
01:18:39,160 --> 01:18:43,920
Speaker 1: But it's just your email address up top. That's it's

1600
01:18:43,960 --> 01:18:49,160
Speaker 1: the entire script, Yeah, for Jeremiah Johnson. So the v O,

1601
01:18:49,760 --> 01:18:51,519
Speaker 1: there's a little vo. There's a narrator that has a

1602
01:18:51,560 --> 01:18:53,920
Speaker 1: couple of lines in there up top and at the

1603
01:18:54,080 --> 01:18:58,880
Speaker 1: end discreet and and then it's every word and then

1604
01:18:59,040 --> 01:19:03,400
Speaker 1: including the parts where he can't tell what anybody's saying. Well,

1605
01:19:03,640 --> 01:19:06,240
Speaker 1: the reason he can't tell, but it's like it's one

1606
01:19:06,240 --> 01:19:08,040
Speaker 1: of those things where people debate what said.

1607
01:19:07,920 --> 01:19:11,080
Speaker 5: Yes, So what inspired me was when when delle gue

1608
01:19:11,560 --> 01:19:14,160
Speaker 5: has come up on the Indians. After he's after the

1609
01:19:14,240 --> 01:19:17,080
Speaker 5: Mormons buried him in the sand and he got dug out,

1610
01:19:17,400 --> 01:19:21,160
Speaker 5: you know, not the Mormons turn Mormons, part Mormon, but anyway,

1611
01:19:22,000 --> 01:19:24,720
Speaker 5: you know, he finally gets there and he goes in

1612
01:19:24,800 --> 01:19:27,120
Speaker 5: there to kill him. He starts screaming as he's going

1613
01:19:27,160 --> 01:19:30,360
Speaker 5: in to kill him. And I'm listening, listening, I've listened

1614
01:19:30,360 --> 01:19:33,800
Speaker 5: to it thousands of times. What you're hearing, Aiden, with

1615
01:19:33,960 --> 01:19:37,200
Speaker 5: the hearing Aiden everything, I just can't understand what he's saying.

1616
01:19:37,280 --> 01:19:41,720
Speaker 5: So I went and researched and found finally and you

1617
01:19:41,800 --> 01:19:42,960
Speaker 5: can read what Dale gus.

1618
01:19:43,080 --> 01:19:46,760
Speaker 1: I will, but I want to did you once you

1619
01:19:46,920 --> 01:19:50,200
Speaker 1: found out what it was, did you then watch yes, okay,

1620
01:19:50,320 --> 01:19:51,800
Speaker 1: and you're convinced this is what he says.

1621
01:19:51,880 --> 01:19:54,080
Speaker 5: Yes, okay, now now it made sense. It's kind of

1622
01:19:54,080 --> 01:19:56,680
Speaker 5: like a song that you can't really understand. But once

1623
01:19:56,720 --> 01:19:58,960
Speaker 5: you read the lyrics and listen to it song, oh

1624
01:19:59,040 --> 01:19:59,760
Speaker 5: that's what he's saying.

1625
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:03,559
Speaker 1: In cases any idiots out here in the listening public,

1626
01:20:04,200 --> 01:20:06,720
Speaker 1: There's a movie called Jeremiah Johnson. It was directed by

1627
01:20:06,760 --> 01:20:12,840
Speaker 1: Sidney Pollack. Uh. It's set eighteen thirty six, So what

1628
01:20:13,680 --> 01:20:14,639
Speaker 1: the movie is set?

1629
01:20:14,840 --> 01:20:18,120
Speaker 5: And I believe it's set in like eighteen sixty Was

1630
01:20:18,160 --> 01:20:18,599
Speaker 5: it that late?

1631
01:20:18,640 --> 01:20:20,600
Speaker 1: It was the well, no, it was right. He was

1632
01:20:20,680 --> 01:20:21,479
Speaker 1: coming out of the.

1633
01:20:21,800 --> 01:20:24,519
Speaker 5: Spanish American War. Yeah, yeah, that's later.

1634
01:20:25,560 --> 01:20:27,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, sixty three, No, not sixty.

1635
01:20:27,760 --> 01:20:28,680
Speaker 5: Three, somewhere in there.

1636
01:20:29,000 --> 01:20:29,280
Speaker 1: Okay.

1637
01:20:31,040 --> 01:20:31,160
Speaker 3: Uh.

1638
01:20:32,800 --> 01:20:36,080
Speaker 1: Robert Redford plays a character Jeremiah Johnson. He's coming from war.

1639
01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:38,719
Speaker 1: He's coming from the Spanish American War, not the Spanish

1640
01:20:38,760 --> 01:20:42,519
Speaker 1: Mexican Americans come from the Mexican late eighteen forties. No,

1641
01:20:42,600 --> 01:20:46,160
Speaker 1: I don't think it's that. It is, man, he just missed.

1642
01:20:46,600 --> 01:20:50,240
Speaker 1: He just missed the fur era. Yeah, take that up. Randall,

1643
01:20:50,320 --> 01:20:54,120
Speaker 1: doctor Randall. You know, Randall's got PhD in what history?

1644
01:20:54,360 --> 01:20:57,200
Speaker 1: All right, Turkey, all right, it's all I got. So

1645
01:20:57,800 --> 01:21:01,320
Speaker 1: he's gonna apply. He's gonna watch you to a PhD historian,

1646
01:21:01,800 --> 01:21:04,920
Speaker 1: apply his training, and he's gonna tell us what year

1647
01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:06,360
Speaker 1: that war ended. Watch you'll find it.

1648
01:21:06,479 --> 01:21:07,160
Speaker 5: Go for random.

1649
01:21:08,200 --> 01:21:09,920
Speaker 1: I gotta double check all these sources.

1650
01:21:10,280 --> 01:21:10,760
Speaker 3: That's true.

1651
01:21:10,840 --> 01:21:12,679
Speaker 1: He's going back to the primary source work.

1652
01:21:13,040 --> 01:21:13,360
Speaker 5: Okay.

1653
01:21:14,400 --> 01:21:14,519
Speaker 4: Uh.

1654
01:21:15,600 --> 01:21:20,400
Speaker 1: Jeremiah Johnson is the Spanish. The Mexican American tales name

1655
01:21:20,400 --> 01:21:25,400
Speaker 1: of the war, Randall Mexican American following the Mexican American War.

1656
01:21:25,600 --> 01:21:29,120
Speaker 1: He wants to go and be a mountain man. But

1657
01:21:29,280 --> 01:21:33,320
Speaker 1: he arrives, and he arrives in the Northern Rockies and

1658
01:21:33,760 --> 01:21:39,040
Speaker 1: the heyday's over, the beaver trade is wound down. He

1659
01:21:39,200 --> 01:21:43,000
Speaker 1: just wants to be largely left alone. He encounters these

1660
01:21:43,280 --> 01:21:46,120
Speaker 1: number of these great characters. He sort of acts very

1661
01:21:46,280 --> 01:21:50,080
Speaker 1: accidentally against his better judgment. Starts like a little family.

1662
01:21:50,800 --> 01:21:58,400
Speaker 1: He winds up not accidentally, like against his wishes. He's

1663
01:21:58,520 --> 01:22:00,560
Speaker 1: thrust in due position where he has to adopt a

1664
01:22:00,600 --> 01:22:05,000
Speaker 1: young child, also against his wishes, and against his better judgment.

1665
01:22:05,080 --> 01:22:07,200
Speaker 1: He's thrust in the position where he has to become married.

1666
01:22:07,400 --> 01:22:07,880
Speaker 5: That's correct.

1667
01:22:07,920 --> 01:22:10,240
Speaker 1: So now he's like has a wife that he didn't want,

1668
01:22:10,880 --> 01:22:13,080
Speaker 1: he has a child that he doesn't want, and he

1669
01:22:13,200 --> 01:22:18,040
Speaker 1: tries to establish a life for them. Spoiler alert, they're killed,

1670
01:22:20,920 --> 01:22:23,840
Speaker 1: and it sets him on a quest for vengeance. And

1671
01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:28,479
Speaker 1: through time his thirst for vengeance is sated, and and

1672
01:22:28,760 --> 01:22:33,960
Speaker 1: he's just now like a sort of ghost of a

1673
01:22:34,040 --> 01:22:37,000
Speaker 1: man and living alone in the mountains. And I will

1674
01:22:37,040 --> 01:22:40,920
Speaker 1: say that the vengeance in this case was really the crows,

1675
01:22:41,960 --> 01:22:45,080
Speaker 1: because he made his amends when he went and kill

1676
01:22:45,120 --> 01:22:47,439
Speaker 1: the people that killed his wife and his kid. That's true.

1677
01:22:47,760 --> 01:22:53,040
Speaker 5: And he left one and that one then reports back

1678
01:22:53,120 --> 01:22:56,599
Speaker 5: to paints his shirt red, which is the headed guy,

1679
01:22:57,320 --> 01:23:00,400
Speaker 5: head of the tribe, and he says, and the drenth

1680
01:23:00,600 --> 01:23:04,840
Speaker 5: of them is built on one warrior, and so they

1681
01:23:04,920 --> 01:23:06,040
Speaker 5: send one warrior at.

1682
01:23:05,920 --> 01:23:09,320
Speaker 1: A time to kill Jeremiah. Yep, and he is able

1683
01:23:09,400 --> 01:23:11,479
Speaker 1: to kill everyone that he sent after you.

1684
01:23:11,680 --> 01:23:17,479
Speaker 8: Okay, if I may interject, there's no specific year that's

1685
01:23:17,520 --> 01:23:18,720
Speaker 8: pinpointed to the movie, but.

1686
01:23:18,960 --> 01:23:21,559
Speaker 1: I know that if there was, we wouldn't be arguing

1687
01:23:21,560 --> 01:23:22,840
Speaker 1: about it. I'd be holding it right in my hand.

1688
01:23:22,920 --> 01:23:26,880
Speaker 8: That's fair because he was a veteran of the Mexican

1689
01:23:26,880 --> 01:23:30,760
Speaker 8: American War, and he's still wearing his cavalry pants when

1690
01:23:30,800 --> 01:23:33,479
Speaker 8: he went into the mountains Mexican American War eighteen forty six,

1691
01:23:33,560 --> 01:23:34,280
Speaker 8: eighteen forty eight.

1692
01:23:34,360 --> 01:23:34,920
Speaker 5: Okay, I didn't know.

1693
01:23:35,520 --> 01:23:40,920
Speaker 1: He encounters a man. He's out in the desert and

1694
01:23:41,000 --> 01:23:45,360
Speaker 1: he encounters a man buried to his neck, just his

1695
01:23:45,439 --> 01:23:49,000
Speaker 1: head's bald headsticking out. No, he's wearing it. He had

1696
01:23:49,040 --> 01:23:52,160
Speaker 1: hair at the time. No, he was bald, bald time. Yeah,

1697
01:23:54,200 --> 01:23:56,800
Speaker 1: And he yells something, he says, I am delG you,

1698
01:23:58,280 --> 01:24:02,680
Speaker 1: I can whip my weight andes that everybody knows that.

1699
01:24:03,080 --> 01:24:08,439
Speaker 1: What they don't know is this, straight through a crab

1700
01:24:08,680 --> 01:24:14,599
Speaker 1: apple orchard on a flash of lightning. I never knew

1701
01:24:14,600 --> 01:24:20,400
Speaker 1: that till last night. Yeah, you've stolen my pelts and die.

1702
01:24:20,560 --> 01:24:25,439
Speaker 1: You must already knew that. Straight through a crab apple

1703
01:24:25,640 --> 01:24:28,920
Speaker 1: orchard on a flash of lightning. And the old days

1704
01:24:28,960 --> 01:24:31,800
Speaker 1: we would have called this whole episode that. There you go,

1705
01:24:32,280 --> 01:24:36,080
Speaker 1: I like it. Well, we can't anymore trying to get

1706
01:24:36,120 --> 01:24:38,040
Speaker 1: more serious about what SEO. I don't know what the

1707
01:24:38,080 --> 01:24:38,519
Speaker 1: hell we're.

1708
01:24:38,360 --> 01:24:40,720
Speaker 10: Trying to search engine optimism.

1709
01:24:40,960 --> 01:24:42,720
Speaker 1: No one's searching that because they don't know that that's

1710
01:24:42,760 --> 01:24:49,080
Speaker 1: what he says, it would get se O zero. No

1711
01:24:49,200 --> 01:24:52,719
Speaker 1: one's searching that today. Straight through a crab apple orchard

1712
01:24:52,760 --> 01:24:59,200
Speaker 1: and a flash of lightning. Well, I love the movie

1713
01:24:59,280 --> 01:25:05,760
Speaker 1: most because then, so we're gonna go to this is

1714
01:25:05,800 --> 01:25:07,679
Speaker 1: this an episode of Steve Reid's movie Scripts?

1715
01:25:07,720 --> 01:25:08,639
Speaker 3: So you don't know what about?

1716
01:25:08,640 --> 01:25:10,719
Speaker 6: Are we gonna skip over the part where he's running

1717
01:25:10,760 --> 01:25:14,400
Speaker 6: into the house, the part that Will didn't know what

1718
01:25:14,560 --> 01:25:15,080
Speaker 6: he was saying.

1719
01:25:15,240 --> 01:25:17,800
Speaker 1: Now we know was not in the house.

1720
01:25:17,920 --> 01:25:20,000
Speaker 5: He's the Indians are sleeping.

1721
01:25:21,080 --> 01:25:22,559
Speaker 1: So yeah, they attack him.

1722
01:25:22,640 --> 01:25:25,400
Speaker 5: So the young boy that he's been forced to take

1723
01:25:25,439 --> 01:25:28,680
Speaker 5: on as a son. And Jeremiah have found del U

1724
01:25:28,840 --> 01:25:32,400
Speaker 5: buried up to his head and you know, asked him,

1725
01:25:32,439 --> 01:25:36,720
Speaker 5: he said, engines bury you here twarnt marmons. So they

1726
01:25:36,840 --> 01:25:39,400
Speaker 5: dig him out. And now the search becomes to go

1727
01:25:39,760 --> 01:25:46,880
Speaker 5: find these Indians and they were black Feet, I believe,

1728
01:25:47,439 --> 01:25:52,760
Speaker 5: and to find them and and and Dale is gonna

1729
01:25:52,800 --> 01:25:54,600
Speaker 5: kill him. Jeremah doesn't want kill him. He's supposed to

1730
01:25:54,600 --> 01:25:57,280
Speaker 5: be left alone. Yeah, and that's when he's that's when

1731
01:25:57,320 --> 01:26:00,519
Speaker 5: he when when Dale g that's when he's that part

1732
01:26:00,640 --> 01:26:03,639
Speaker 5: is charging and that's what that's what he's. George Indian,

1733
01:26:05,640 --> 01:26:07,719
Speaker 5: one of the delightful characters.

1734
01:26:07,760 --> 01:26:14,240
Speaker 1: He meets his bear claw, Chris lap Lap, and he said,

1735
01:26:14,439 --> 01:26:17,560
Speaker 1: Chris lap begrudgingly saves his life and gives him his

1736
01:26:17,720 --> 01:26:20,640
Speaker 1: initial education and mountain living, how to stay warm, how

1737
01:26:20,680 --> 01:26:23,160
Speaker 1: to get food and all that, and then uh, how

1738
01:26:23,240 --> 01:26:26,680
Speaker 1: to trap you leave. Then Chris lap leaves him and

1739
01:26:26,760 --> 01:26:29,040
Speaker 1: the end Jeremia Johnson's like way up in the high country.

1740
01:26:29,800 --> 01:26:34,920
Speaker 1: He's uh cooking a rabbit. Now. One problem, the one

1741
01:26:35,160 --> 01:26:38,439
Speaker 1: problem in Jeremiah Johnson. There's one distinct, singular problem in

1742
01:26:38,520 --> 01:26:42,280
Speaker 1: the whole movie. One imperfection he's roasting a rabbit on

1743
01:26:42,360 --> 01:26:46,519
Speaker 1: a stick. The end of the movie, it's just sad.

1744
01:26:47,280 --> 01:26:49,800
Speaker 1: Everything's sad and depressing. He's way up in the high

1745
01:26:49,840 --> 01:26:52,360
Speaker 1: country by himself, bundled in his furs. He's got a

1746
01:26:52,400 --> 01:26:55,280
Speaker 1: little fire going and he's cooking a rabbit. The one

1747
01:26:55,360 --> 01:26:58,160
Speaker 1: problem in the movie Randall, what is it? Do you know?

1748
01:26:59,120 --> 01:27:01,960
Speaker 1: Oak beagles No. When he goes to get he goes

1749
01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:03,599
Speaker 1: to pull a leg from the rabbit and it comes

1750
01:27:03,640 --> 01:27:05,719
Speaker 1: off as though it's tender. Mmmm.

1751
01:27:07,120 --> 01:27:07,880
Speaker 5: It's like it's.

1752
01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:12,160
Speaker 1: It's no way. They almost got to the end with that.

1753
01:27:12,280 --> 01:27:14,160
Speaker 1: If I would have been there as a consultant, I

1754
01:27:14,200 --> 01:27:17,080
Speaker 1: would have said he needs to really try to pull

1755
01:27:17,200 --> 01:27:19,800
Speaker 1: hard and can't get it off, and eventually tries to

1756
01:27:19,840 --> 01:27:22,840
Speaker 1: cut that leg off because I don't care how you

1757
01:27:22,960 --> 01:27:24,120
Speaker 1: cook a contail rabbit on.

1758
01:27:24,160 --> 01:27:29,720
Speaker 3: A fire, so you think it was a like it

1759
01:27:29,920 --> 01:27:31,559
Speaker 3: was pre cut or was a farm raised.

1760
01:27:31,560 --> 01:27:36,000
Speaker 1: The rabbit reaches out bearcrock. Chris Lap pulls up. Ask him,

1761
01:27:37,600 --> 01:27:42,760
Speaker 1: everything's unspoken this movie. Ask him what's on the spit?

1762
01:27:44,840 --> 01:27:52,000
Speaker 1: Chris Lap asks Jeremia Johnson what's on particular. Jeremiah Johnson says, no,

1763
01:27:52,200 --> 01:27:54,800
Speaker 1: who guess what? Yeah, Chris Lap asked Jeremi Johnson, what's

1764
01:27:54,880 --> 01:27:57,880
Speaker 1: on the spit grown particular? And he says to him,

1765
01:27:57,880 --> 01:28:01,120
Speaker 1: he replies, have you grown particular? And he says, only

1766
01:28:01,160 --> 01:28:05,439
Speaker 1: about the company I keep, mm hmm. But he throws he.

1767
01:28:07,439 --> 01:28:11,519
Speaker 5: He says, not about my feeding, just the company.

1768
01:28:11,640 --> 01:28:14,439
Speaker 1: That's just the company I keep. But he's willing to

1769
01:28:14,520 --> 01:28:17,160
Speaker 1: come talk to Johnson. Johnson then removes the leg of

1770
01:28:17,200 --> 01:28:20,080
Speaker 1: the rabbit and it's just too easy. It's always tripped

1771
01:28:20,120 --> 01:28:20,320
Speaker 1: me up.

1772
01:28:20,360 --> 01:28:21,800
Speaker 11: Maybe he had an instant.

1773
01:28:24,080 --> 01:28:26,920
Speaker 1: Yeah it. If he pulled it off, I'd be like, yeah,

1774
01:28:26,920 --> 01:28:31,760
Speaker 1: this looks great. There's a movie I want to get

1775
01:28:31,760 --> 01:28:34,320
Speaker 1: into subtlety. We're nearing the end of the show here

1776
01:28:34,360 --> 01:28:39,000
Speaker 1: will but there's a very good movie called You Can

1777
01:28:39,040 --> 01:28:41,400
Speaker 1: count on Me, Okay, And it's about a brother and

1778
01:28:41,439 --> 01:28:44,080
Speaker 1: a sister who are orphaned and then one of them

1779
01:28:44,520 --> 01:28:46,439
Speaker 1: becomes like a family person and one of them becomes

1780
01:28:46,479 --> 01:28:49,680
Speaker 1: an addict and wander and the whole movie. You never

1781
01:28:49,760 --> 01:28:51,560
Speaker 1: know why the movie is called you can count on Me.

1782
01:28:51,680 --> 01:28:53,280
Speaker 1: No one ever says you can count on me. Nothing.

1783
01:28:53,720 --> 01:28:58,719
Speaker 1: In the end of the movie, the brother and sister

1784
01:28:58,800 --> 01:29:00,640
Speaker 1: tried to come together, but he's too messed up, and

1785
01:29:02,240 --> 01:29:04,840
Speaker 1: the sister doesn't want the brother around her children, so

1786
01:29:05,120 --> 01:29:07,559
Speaker 1: he's got to go away. And one of them says

1787
01:29:07,600 --> 01:29:10,280
Speaker 1: the other one, do you remember what we used to

1788
01:29:10,400 --> 01:29:13,120
Speaker 1: always say to each other? And you're thinking, well, here's

1789
01:29:13,160 --> 01:29:15,960
Speaker 1: the part where someone's gonna go, yeah, it was you

1790
01:29:16,040 --> 01:29:18,640
Speaker 1: can count on me, But he just says, yeah, I

1791
01:29:18,640 --> 01:29:23,080
Speaker 1: remember never said. No one ever says the words in

1792
01:29:23,120 --> 01:29:24,800
Speaker 1: the whole movie. But you know the name of the

1793
01:29:24,880 --> 01:29:29,360
Speaker 1: movie is the answer to the riddle, right, Jeremia Johnson

1794
01:29:30,160 --> 01:29:35,160
Speaker 1: nothing said in the end of the movie, but it's this, Uh,

1795
01:29:35,800 --> 01:29:38,720
Speaker 1: Jeremiah Johnson wants to know of Chris ask Chris Lap,

1796
01:29:40,640 --> 01:29:42,840
Speaker 1: would you happen to know what month of the year

1797
01:29:42,880 --> 01:29:47,519
Speaker 1: it is? And Chris Lap takes a stab at it.

1798
01:29:47,760 --> 01:29:52,320
Speaker 1: March maybe April. March is a money month down below.

1799
01:29:53,240 --> 01:29:58,600
Speaker 5: Some folks like it mostly I hope you will farewell.

1800
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:04,080
Speaker 1: No, you left out, he says. They speculate about what

1801
01:30:04,200 --> 01:30:06,920
Speaker 1: month it is, and they don't arrive at an answer. Right,

1802
01:30:07,080 --> 01:30:09,360
Speaker 1: It's just left is an open question. They don't know that.

1803
01:30:09,720 --> 01:30:12,960
Speaker 1: They're so out there now and so removed from anything

1804
01:30:13,000 --> 01:30:16,280
Speaker 1: to say March. I don't believe April. Yeah, he goes, March.

1805
01:30:16,400 --> 01:30:19,800
Speaker 1: Maybe I don't believe April. Winner's a long time going

1806
01:30:20,240 --> 01:30:24,479
Speaker 1: stays long. This high march is a green, muddy month

1807
01:30:24,600 --> 01:30:28,600
Speaker 1: down below. Some folks like it, farmers mostly. Then he

1808
01:30:28,640 --> 01:30:31,120
Speaker 1: says that he changes the subject. It's a non sequitor.

1809
01:30:32,080 --> 01:30:35,120
Speaker 1: You've done well to keep so much hair when so

1810
01:30:35,320 --> 01:30:38,400
Speaker 1: many is after it, when so manyar after it. I

1811
01:30:38,479 --> 01:30:42,120
Speaker 1: hope you farewell. And the movie no no, then the

1812
01:30:42,240 --> 01:30:47,080
Speaker 1: voiceover yeah, the then paints his shirt red, says his

1813
01:30:47,240 --> 01:30:50,240
Speaker 1: piece doesn't say anything and say it, but he says it,

1814
01:30:50,640 --> 01:30:54,320
Speaker 1: says it with his hand. Yeah, wow, thanks for that.

1815
01:30:54,720 --> 01:30:56,720
Speaker 1: I need a really long hallway because I'm gonna frame

1816
01:30:56,800 --> 01:30:58,679
Speaker 1: this whole thing. But I need a hallway long enough

1817
01:30:58,760 --> 01:31:07,160
Speaker 1: to We've got that. Yeah, really long frames. So the

1818
01:31:07,280 --> 01:31:08,400
Speaker 1: eleven inches higher.

1819
01:31:08,240 --> 01:31:11,640
Speaker 5: To me, to me, paints his shirt red, and Jeremiah's

1820
01:31:11,840 --> 01:31:14,520
Speaker 5: ending scene is about forgiveness.

1821
01:31:15,280 --> 01:31:18,960
Speaker 1: Yes, it's it's it's paints his shirt red, that offers

1822
01:31:19,080 --> 01:31:22,000
Speaker 1: the sign of peace. I shouldn't leave that off.

1823
01:31:22,240 --> 01:31:27,360
Speaker 5: And then when Jeremiah gives, gives when he realized when

1824
01:31:27,360 --> 01:31:29,560
Speaker 5: he reaches first gun at first because he thinks we

1825
01:31:29,680 --> 01:31:32,679
Speaker 5: go again, and then he realizes it's paints his shirt red,

1826
01:31:32,800 --> 01:31:36,759
Speaker 5: and he realizes he's offered the peace sign. He cannot

1827
01:31:36,960 --> 01:31:38,559
Speaker 5: stretch his hand any tighter.

1828
01:31:38,640 --> 01:31:40,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, he goes and then he goes higher.

1829
01:31:41,280 --> 01:31:45,360
Speaker 1: It was like got the trump got his earshot fist

1830
01:31:45,439 --> 01:31:47,960
Speaker 1: in the air defiant. Yeah, but it's not. It's a piece.

1831
01:31:48,160 --> 01:31:50,680
Speaker 1: He stretches it and then he like strains to get

1832
01:31:50,720 --> 01:31:53,719
Speaker 1: it higher and instead emitting, he's just got rags wrapped

1833
01:31:53,720 --> 01:31:54,439
Speaker 1: around his hands.

1834
01:31:54,640 --> 01:31:57,120
Speaker 5: Well, I'm telling you, it's been wonderful to meet all

1835
01:31:57,160 --> 01:31:59,559
Speaker 5: of y'all as a bee here. It's been absolutely great.

1836
01:32:00,040 --> 01:32:02,360
Speaker 5: And as far as the book goes, you can pre

1837
01:32:02,560 --> 01:32:04,920
Speaker 5: order audio right now. You go to Amazon and and

1838
01:32:05,360 --> 01:32:08,439
Speaker 5: just type in Straight Shooting for Hunters and audio. Yeah,

1839
01:32:08,520 --> 01:32:11,960
Speaker 5: the audio version and the book. The audio version will

1840
01:32:12,000 --> 01:32:14,840
Speaker 5: come out first, and the audio is read by me.

1841
01:32:14,920 --> 01:32:16,639
Speaker 5: It's my good, perfect, it's my voice.

1842
01:32:16,760 --> 01:32:17,880
Speaker 1: You let some idiot read it.

1843
01:32:18,040 --> 01:32:19,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, so it'll be Straight Shooting for Hunters And type

1844
01:32:19,960 --> 01:32:22,040
Speaker 5: in Primos or matteris and you can pre order the

1845
01:32:22,080 --> 01:32:24,280
Speaker 5: audio and that'll do you a lot of good riding

1846
01:32:24,320 --> 01:32:26,400
Speaker 5: your car. Listen to it. But the diagrams that are

1847
01:32:26,439 --> 01:32:28,880
Speaker 5: in the book are very visual.

1848
01:32:29,120 --> 01:32:31,439
Speaker 1: That's why. That's why when you said audio, I was like.

1849
01:32:32,439 --> 01:32:34,760
Speaker 5: Sure, when you go to talking about pointed the eyes

1850
01:32:34,800 --> 01:32:37,960
Speaker 5: and establishing how dominant you are and either I it's

1851
01:32:38,040 --> 01:32:41,160
Speaker 5: in there and then the swing through the pass through,

1852
01:32:41,280 --> 01:32:42,160
Speaker 5: the maintain lead.

1853
01:32:42,640 --> 01:32:46,200
Speaker 1: You know. All that is in the book Street Shooting

1854
01:32:46,280 --> 01:32:49,439
Speaker 1: for Hunters, A champions Guide to using shotguns in the

1855
01:32:49,560 --> 01:32:57,200
Speaker 1: Field Anthony Mattise correct and uh, Jeffert Will primos Jack,

1856
01:32:57,920 --> 01:33:01,800
Speaker 1: big Jack Jack, Big Jack, Oh, big Jack. Sorry, I'm

1857
01:33:01,800 --> 01:33:05,120
Speaker 1: little Jack. Well, thanks for coming on the show man.

1858
01:33:05,280 --> 01:33:07,200
Speaker 1: It means a lot to me. Like I said, are

1859
01:33:07,280 --> 01:33:08,560
Speaker 1: up top, I'm gonna and I'm gonna end it the

1860
01:33:08,600 --> 01:33:12,400
Speaker 1: same way I began. I've uh always admired you and

1861
01:33:12,600 --> 01:33:20,280
Speaker 1: and and your positivity and and just like euphoria for family,

1862
01:33:21,080 --> 01:33:25,479
Speaker 1: wild life friends being in the field. It's it's just

1863
01:33:25,640 --> 01:33:26,439
Speaker 1: it's good man.

1864
01:33:26,479 --> 01:33:28,719
Speaker 5: I've gone her a whole lot more respect than I deserve.

1865
01:33:28,800 --> 01:33:32,200
Speaker 5: But let me thank you because you've taken up the

1866
01:33:32,360 --> 01:33:35,400
Speaker 5: torch and the work that you do and what you

1867
01:33:35,560 --> 01:33:39,160
Speaker 5: do with your team and sharing with the world what

1868
01:33:39,400 --> 01:33:42,920
Speaker 5: meat eater is all about and what loving outside is

1869
01:33:42,960 --> 01:33:45,280
Speaker 5: all about. It hunting and fishing is awesome.

1870
01:33:45,640 --> 01:33:48,600
Speaker 1: Good Thank you, good ship, keep it up, thank you.

1871
01:33:48,920 --> 01:33:49,720
Speaker 5: Good job, Thank you.

1872
01:33:50,160 --> 01:33:50,639
Speaker 1: Thanks Will.

1873
01:33:50,800 --> 01:33:51,639
Speaker 5: Yeah, You're welcome.

1874
01:33:51,680 --> 01:34:05,120
Speaker 1: Thank you. It's in the morning and I'm dropping the game.

1875
01:34:06,320 --> 01:34:14,400
Speaker 4: Little my boys, it's getting her my dog. I'm running

1876
01:34:14,520 --> 01:34:15,360
Speaker 4: with my dog.

1877
01:34:18,800 --> 01:34:20,800
Speaker 9: I've got a black flat.

1878
01:34:20,640 --> 01:34:23,320
Speaker 12: Blood down the mountains and curl.

1879
01:34:24,640 --> 01:34:28,880
Speaker 7: Any kind of game feeder, Hofir, I got my dog.

1880
01:34:31,680 --> 01:34:33,360
Speaker 4: No runing with my dog?

1881
01:34:37,240 --> 01:34:42,360
Speaker 3: Well first like midnight. It's all the same, me and

1882
01:34:42,560 --> 01:34:42,960
Speaker 3: the dog.

1883
01:34:43,920 --> 01:34:49,080
Speaker 7: We're after the game, wet lands, up lands.

1884
01:34:48,880 --> 01:35:14,879
Speaker 12: Mountain juices, we get to jews. Well, it's turning the morning.

1885
01:35:15,360 --> 01:35:16,639
Speaker 3: Mount to drop the girl.

1886
01:35:18,000 --> 01:35:19,760
Speaker 1: Come on, little little boys.

1887
01:35:19,920 --> 01:35:22,639
Speaker 4: Let's getting late. I not my dog.

1888
01:35:25,040 --> 01:35:26,840
Speaker 1: I'm going hunting with my dog.

1889
01:35:30,600 --> 01:35:34,960
Speaker 12: I got a blooted leadhound a mountain care.

1890
01:35:36,560 --> 01:35:39,400
Speaker 9: And it kind of gave it all leather, Afir.

1891
01:35:40,280 --> 01:35:44,320
Speaker 7: I got a dog, and I'm going to hunting with

1892
01:35:44,720 --> 01:35:51,960
Speaker 7: my dog. Will let its first like mid ninety soul,

1893
01:35:52,240 --> 01:35:57,000
Speaker 7: the same being the dog gonna go get us a game.

1894
01:35:58,640 --> 01:36:00,679
Speaker 7: So wedd landsy up lands are.

1895
01:36:00,720 --> 01:36:01,879
Speaker 12: Just some mount cues.

1896
01:36:03,040 --> 01:36:04,919
Speaker 9: You know you did tooose?

1897
01:36:05,920 --> 01:36:16,960
Speaker 12: Yeah, I don't.

1898
01:36:45,080 --> 01:36:45,120
Speaker 9: Do.

1899
01:36:45,200 --> 01:36:50,240
Speaker 4: Don't feel like today, the lapse of thirty all it's bad,

1900
01:36:53,800 --> 01:37:11,800
Speaker 4: don't matter how anything, knowing no l

1901
01:37:13,400 --> 01:37:13,720
Speaker 12: In the