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Speaker 1: Hi, everyone, it's Sophia. Welcome to work in progress. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back to work in progress friends. I hope your January

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Speaker 1: is off to a fantastic start. I know so many

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Speaker 1: of us think about this time of year as a

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Speaker 1: time to go inward, learn about our health, our mental health,

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Speaker 1: our bodies, maybe our families, the world around us.

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Speaker 2: And today we have a guest.

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Speaker 1: Who I adore, both personally and professionally, who is managing

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Speaker 1: into a resource for all of us. Today we are

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Speaker 1: joined by Jeanie Mei. She is an Emmy winning television host, producer,

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Speaker 1: cultural commentator, and she's built a career around honest conversations

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Speaker 1: because she consistently uses her platform to explore the intersections

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Speaker 1: of womanhood and well being. And now she is an

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Speaker 1: executive producer of the docuseriies Balance Peri Menopause Journey. It's

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Speaker 1: a series that's confronting the stigma, misinformation, and systemic gaps

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Speaker 1: surrounding this life stage. And this is important because, let's

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Speaker 1: be honest, Peri menopause is something every woman will experience,

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Speaker 1: yet most of us don't really know what it means

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Speaker 1: when it's happening. When it's entered, it's often with confusion,

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Speaker 1: a lack of preparedness, and life with feeling dismissed or alone.

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Speaker 1: It's a transition that reshapes women's bodies and emotions and

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Speaker 1: work and identity, but one that all of us women

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Speaker 1: have been taught to kind of shrug off as inevitable.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely not.

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Speaker 1: Advocates and experts are finally breaking the silence and bringing

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Speaker 1: this long overdue conversation to the forefront and with Genie

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Speaker 1: at the home, this show feels incredibly personal because her curiosity,

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Speaker 1: lived experience, and deep commitment to helping women makes her

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Speaker 1: the friend we all need to help us wrap our

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Speaker 1: heads around such an important topic. Genie May is the

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Speaker 1: person you want in your group chat. She is the

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Speaker 1: person you want producing your content, and thanks to this

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Speaker 1: incredible docu series starting January thirtieth, we get her in

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Speaker 1: both of those roles.

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Speaker 2: Let's dive in with Genie May. Is it your birthday today?

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Speaker 3: It is? Oh my god, I know, I was like

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Speaker 3: sitting here for your birthday. Thank you so much. I'm

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Speaker 3: like a shiny brand new forty seven and I'm getting

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Speaker 3: into the skin right now as I'm like, what does

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Speaker 3: it feel like right now to be forty seven because

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Speaker 3: that age is so crazy to me, like it's so

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Speaker 3: up since forty two maybe, so I'm still like, you know,

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Speaker 3: it's crazy, it's crazy. So thank you, thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: I totally get it. It's weird.

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Speaker 1: It's like I turned forty three in July, and uh huh,

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Speaker 1: it's such an incongruous feeling because I'm like, but am

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Speaker 1: I older than thirty three?

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Speaker 2: Like I don't even know what is being an adult?

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Speaker 1: Like I still I know, I still want to like

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Speaker 3: Things totally, especially when our definition of grown ups back then.

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Speaker 3: By the way, can you hear me.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I can hear you.

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Speaker 3: I want to make sure because you're getting a like

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Speaker 3: real life like a live footage of menopause and perimenopause

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Speaker 3: because this is my mom's I love it, your bud,

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Speaker 3: and she's done some things to it, she's tricked it out,

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Speaker 3: and I'm like, hey.

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Speaker 2: Together, I'm not sure. Yeah, yeah, I think it's great.

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Speaker 3: I remember like when we were kids, and the grown

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Speaker 3: Those people were like thirty two or twenty nine and

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Speaker 3: looked to me, I thought forty seven. I thought they

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Speaker 3: right now? This doesn't make case. So like I'm still

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Speaker 3: and I feel like we're redefining age. Like actually, this

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Speaker 3: whole generation and I'm so proud about is redefining what

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Speaker 3: So I'm actually really proud that I'm forty seven and

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Speaker 3: I sound talk look get this, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, Yes, I feel that too.

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Speaker 3: I feel that from you too. Yeah, one hundred percent.

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Speaker 1: It's like not to be a complete apphole. But sometimes

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Speaker 1: I'm so much cuter than I was ten years ago.

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Speaker 1: Things are so much more dial than they were. We've

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I totally agree. I mean, obviously, given our discussion today,

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Speaker 3: that you're doing allow us to feel like, Okay, we're

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Speaker 3: not crazy. We got each other. We're going to If

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Speaker 1: Well, that's just it. It's like and I don't think

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Speaker 1: there's a coincidence. Nia and I were talking about this,

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Speaker 1: beautiful Venn diagram of friend groups. Yes, like we all

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Speaker 1: spent our twenties figuring out how to work in media

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Speaker 1: and be activists. And I'm like, y'all thought our generation

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Speaker 3: You please please take a seat, just watch if anything,

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Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting that you.

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Speaker 1: Talk about reflecting about your birthday because my favorite first

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Speaker 1: which is you know, when you think about your life

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Speaker 1: eight or nine year old Genie on a playground today,

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Speaker 1: are there things that you would recognize in her, like

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Speaker 1: things you carry with you as the woman you've become

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Speaker 3: Ad Absolutely, not only is that a beautiful question on

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Speaker 3: align that with what I'm noticing in my vivacious, little

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Speaker 3: and then life, people, society start to shape that good

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Speaker 3: vivacious curiosity like insane why why? But then why? And

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Speaker 3: That was always like I felt like a gift, you know.

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Speaker 3: also teaching my daughter that, you know, like every question

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Speaker 3: And we're going to teach you how to learn, understand

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Speaker 2: That's really special.

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Speaker 1: It's striking me as you say it that, you know,

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Speaker 3: Absolutely. I think the greatest power we have that is

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Speaker 3: And so that's my job to teach Monaco to not

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Speaker 2: You just said things that took my brain.

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Speaker 1: In three different directions, including the fact that when you

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Speaker 1: are in a great environment, your voice is louder, and

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Speaker 1: when your environment is unhealthy, your voice shrinks. Yes, and

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Speaker 1: I think there is something very societal for women, right

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Speaker 1: We're taught to shrink, We're taught to take up less space.

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Speaker 2: And as you were saying that, I.

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Speaker 1: Was like, you know, because I'm reflecting a lot on

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Speaker 3: to call a friend and be like, you know what,

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, that came out of nowhere and that wasn't cool,

435
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 3: Like I apologize, and from that I would go into like.

436
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Speaker 2: Two or three days of just like shame spiral.

437
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, the rumination of like, what's going on?

438
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 1: What's wrong?

439
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 3: So when Sadali actually gave me a call and told

440
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Speaker 3: me about her findings with Perry metopause and that they

441
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 3: were so extreme and so awakening that she was like,

442
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 3: we have to do something about this. We have to

443
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 3: tell everyone, not just women, but men, healthcare systems, workplaces,

444
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 3: I was like, wait, I'm one of them. I want

445
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:47,879
Speaker 3: first row access to all of these answers. Count me in,

446
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 3: but also tell me more. I need to hear all

447
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:56,879
Speaker 3: of it. And then one month of signing on to

448
00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:00,439
Speaker 3: help my dear friends and join this community, I was

449
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 3: immediately exposed to the incredible doctors on our docuseries that

450
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,479
Speaker 3: had so much concrete answers that were backed by years

451
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 3: of experience and historical knowledge that we've known but hasn't

452
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:20,880
Speaker 3: been told. My algorithm on my social media changed where

453
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:25,119
Speaker 3: every day I'm getting now friends and community and people

454
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,879
Speaker 3: that talk about perimenopause and share their everyday experience or

455
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Speaker 3: their new findings. I've met men who care and have

456
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:34,679
Speaker 3: told their stories about in their marriages, what it's felt like,

457
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 3: or how they hold space for their wives or their partners,

458
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 3: like just from joining the documentary so that I could

459
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 3: help spey the word, to be a part of the

460
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 3: answers and ask questions as well. So I can't even

461
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 3: imagine what it would be like if we weren't talking

462
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 3: about it, if there weren't a documentaries, if my algorithm

463
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,479
Speaker 3: was over here still talking about nail trends, and not

464
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 3: that I'm not doing that. I love a good nail trend,

465
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Speaker 3: and I love what we can do culture right right,

466
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Speaker 3: But come on, as soon as I'm in the right

467
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 3: circle in conversations, I'm getting all the information towards me.

468
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 3: That's what I wish for everybody out there, so that

469
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 3: you don't have to go searching for it after it

470
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 3: feels too late.

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Speaker 1: And now a word from our sponsors one of the

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Speaker 1: things I think is interesting. A friend of mine who's

473
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Speaker 1: in her mid fifties was talking to some of us

474
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Speaker 1: about this at a dinner recently and saying, you know,

475
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Speaker 1: I'm ten years ahead of you all. I've been through

476
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Speaker 1: the full spectrum of this experience. And she said, what

477
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Speaker 1: drives me crazy is remembering times when I was clearly

478
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Speaker 1: going through this in my forties and I let people

479
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 1: dismiss it. I dismissed it. I said, well, look at

480
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 1: the state of the world. Look at the election we

481
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 1: just lost. Things are so bad for women. Of course,

482
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 1: I'm burnt out, but burnout is different than your entire

483
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Speaker 1: internal physical system changing. And so often women pile more

484
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Speaker 1: on their backs. They say like, I can pick up

485
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 1: the slack. I can pick up yours too, and they

486
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 1: just keep going and we don't have.

487
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Speaker 2: To white knuckle it so hard.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, especially when white knuckling it is always aligned

489
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 3: with shame. White knuckling it, sucking it in, swallowing it

490
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 3: down and just and keeping it to ourselves comes with

491
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 3: this shame, embarrassment, self doubt, all these things that we

492
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 3: then put upon ourselves because we don't have the answers.

493
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 3: The whole point of the docuseries is to provide answers

494
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Speaker 3: so that we change your shame to having agency. Yeah,

495
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 3: that's the whole point. We want you to know that

496
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:00,719
Speaker 3: you have access. We want you know that you can

497
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 3: do something about this because it's not going away, but

498
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 3: neither should we.

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Speaker 1: No, And that's the kind of alchemy I want to see.

500
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Speaker 1: I mean, shame to agency feels like a really great direction,

501
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 1: and it actually reminds me of something you say in

502
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 1: episode two that is so funny to me because you're just.

503
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 2: Like, what the fuck?

504
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you said, how come nobody told me perimenopause

505
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 1: feels like puberty going backwards, dude, and it just like

506
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 1: it really made me laugh, And like, obviously the idea

507
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 1: of shame transforming into agency is the right direction. Perimenopause,

508
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 1: I know, feels for so many people.

509
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 2: Like the wrong one. But like, how did that dawn

510
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 2: on you?

511
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 3: Like?

512
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 1: What made you realize that was the experience you were having?

513
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Speaker 3: Yeah, all of a sudden, in the very moment that

514
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 3: the symptoms of perimenopause was was read out to me,

515
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 3: whether it was through my research online, through doctor Mary

516
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 3: Claire or through chat GBT, I immediately felt like I'm okay, wait,

517
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 3: I'm I'm normal, I'm good, I'm allowed like that right there.

518
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 3: Having that feeling should not be the first reaction, Like

519
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 3: I wish my first reaction was ooh, okay, so I'm

520
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 3: I'm I'm feeling you know, a little, a little tired,

521
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 3: more tired these days, or I'm not able to sleep.

522
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 3: I've gotten up at three the last few days. I

523
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 3: know about this thing called perimoutopause. I've heard about it.

524
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 3: I know which doctors can help about it. I've heard

525
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 3: some ways that you can go check your hormone levels

526
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 3: and see if you need some help, let me go

527
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 3: make an appointment. I wish it was that, you know,

528
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 3: I mean, just like if I had a cough or

529
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 3: a sore throat, I know immediately that I can have

530
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 3: an elderberry, or if I want to go more natural,

531
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 3: or I can go and get you know, some some

532
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 3: assistance from my ear nose and throat doctor, or like

533
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 3: like there's access to it because some things are normalized,

534
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 3: and more and more and more talk about this, wasn't that,

535
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 3: and so that I started feeling my memory loss and

536
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 3: my brain frog, my brain fogs severely. At thirty eight,

537
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 3: it was really bad. It cost me some jobs, It

538
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 3: cost me some very important conversations that I didn't know

539
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 3: how to ease myself through because of the unnatural patterns

540
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 3: of my emotions at the time. That would bring me

541
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Speaker 3: to tears wow having to describe, because it felt like

542
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 3: you're trying to talk, but you don't act physically have

543
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 3: the words. Your body is overwhelmed and angry at yourself

544
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 3: to be able to be the vessel to carry your feelings,

545
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 3: and so you burn off people and relationships around you

546
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 3: because you're just like you feel unrecognizable to yourself. That

547
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 3: started at thirty eight for me, and I remember just

548
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 3: kind of hiding out to myself, giving it time, hoping

549
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 3: it never comes back again. Almost like it was like

550
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,959
Speaker 3: a almost like it was a like a monster that

551
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 3: rears its head, you know.

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Speaker 1: Well, and that goes back to the shame thing, right,

553
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,839
Speaker 1: you think it's my fault, I'm doing something wrong, I'm

554
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 1: feeling I'm I'm suddenly incapable, rather than I need a

555
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 1: little bit of support like I would going to see

556
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Speaker 1: an E and T for a sinus infection or seeing

557
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:28,360
Speaker 1: an ob where I getting you know, were I pregnant,

558
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 1: Like it's a. It's a really interesting mindset shift. And

559
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,359
Speaker 1: I'm curious because I'm sure there's so many people at

560
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 1: home listening to us have this conversation going okay, but

561
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 1: where do I start?

562
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 3: Right? Like?

563
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 1: You know, and you guys address this so beautifully in

564
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 1: the series that so many women feel dismissed in medical settings.

565
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 1: So I'm curious if somebody were to ask you, where

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Speaker 1: should I start to go to be taken seriously? Is

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Speaker 1: that an obgyn? Is that a rheumatologist?

568
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 2: Is that a like?

569
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Speaker 1: Where do women need to go first?

570
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 2: And what should they be asking? What questions should they

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Speaker 2: be asking?

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00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 3: I guess yeah. I think it's also important to remember

573
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 3: that we women are taught to normalize suffering, and medical

574
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 3: systems are trained to silo systems symptoms. So when you

575
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Speaker 3: start to experience things like fatigue, anxiety, brain fog, or

576
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 3: mood changes that show up separately, they are then treated

577
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 3: separately instead of being seen as part of a hormonal

578
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 3: transition that deserves context and education and compassion. You know.

579
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Speaker 3: So this is a hard one because I'm myself am

580
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,879
Speaker 3: still trying to find that right doctor for me. I'm

581
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Speaker 3: still in that journey and I'm just going to point

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Speaker 3: out the realities right now. You know, I'm somewhat of

583
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 3: of a name in my career here. You know, I

584
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 3: have friends and connections. I'm having to access those connections

585
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 3: and those celebrities and those who's who to get to

586
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 3: the right person more than someone I can just call

587
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 3: out of Yelp or checking out my Google. That is

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Speaker 3: something that is still really hard for women out there today.

589
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Speaker 3: So in your own area, what's great about the Our

590
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Speaker 3: Doctor series is We've got the most incredible doctors that

591
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 3: are going to give the information on the questions that

592
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 3: you should ask specifically, so that you're narrowing down your

593
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Speaker 3: doctors and seeing how they answer to see if they're

594
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Speaker 3: the right.

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Speaker 2: Doctors or you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, not to be crass, I actually mean this genuinely.

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Speaker 1: It's almost like dating. You have to date a person

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00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 1: before you know if they're the right match for you, yes,

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Speaker 1: And you do that by spending time asking questions, seeing

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Speaker 1: how they handle emotions or you know, any sort of

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Speaker 1: life event, And essentially you have to do the medical

602
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 1: version of that with your doctor and see, I would say,

603
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: first and foremost, if you're being listened to yes in

604
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Speaker 1: the first place, I'm really curious because you know, it's

605
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 1: still exciting that we're in a moment where we're having

606
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 1: greater conversations around medical transparency, and we all know the

607
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: flip side of the coin is that there's now like

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Speaker 1: a four x industry to the size of pharma under

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Speaker 1: the quote unquote wellness umbrella, and a lot of it

610
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 1: is like snake oil salesmen who have like kits and

611
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 1: supplement brands and whatever else they're doing that. So it's like,

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00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 1: in a weird way, I'm like, oh my god, but

613
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,840
Speaker 1: how how do we make sure we're trusting actual medical

614
00:37:54,880 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 1: science and information while demanding more research for that science,

615
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: while looking at, you know, more functional ways to treat

616
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:10,840
Speaker 1: our bodies? And how do we avoid people who claim

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Speaker 1: to be medical experts who aren't.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's so true, especially because our healthcare system often

619
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 3: treats women's pain as anecdotal instead of diagnostic. So if

620
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:26,240
Speaker 3: your lab work looks normal, well, then women told they're fine,

621
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Speaker 3: even when their lived experience says otherwise. And that's why

622
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 3: our docuseries balance. It validates that disconnect that for me

623
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Speaker 3: is to start just being validated and feeling seen in

624
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 3: my own body, for me to be able to understand

625
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 3: the information and go, wait, okay, this, I'm right where

626
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 3: I need to be. Now where do I need to

627
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 3: go from here? That's a really important acceptance because most

628
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 3: of the time we women are managing having children or

629
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Speaker 3: not at least ten different things in our lives on

630
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 3: a daily basis, you know, and the people around us,

631
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 3: we're most likely to be taken care of more than ourselves,

632
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:13,760
Speaker 3: and so having that validation and that understanding is so vital,

633
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 3: so that you are tuning in the attention and the

634
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 3: energy that you're giving outwards to yourself and then beginning

635
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 3: to ask the smart, smart questions and being able to

636
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:29,840
Speaker 3: discern who are the right people who understand perimenopause the

637
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:31,839
Speaker 3: way it needs to be understood today to get that help.

638
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really it's like kind of a fascinating moment

639
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:42,280
Speaker 1: to be in because we're solving problems that have needed

640
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 1: solving and it all feels a little bit like the

641
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: wild West, you know.

642
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:50,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, think about it. When you're sleep and your

643
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 3: memory and your emotional regulation are disrupted. It literally affects

644
00:39:55,800 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 3: everything and every person, you know, how you show that work,

645
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 3: how you communicate with others, like at the end of

646
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 3: the day, when you miss the mark on things that

647
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Speaker 3: you've been doing so well in your twenties and your thirties,

648
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Speaker 3: you start to internalize that as failure instead of physiology.

649
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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, I love that, And that's another reframe, right,

650
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Speaker 1: it's physiology not failure, right, right, correct, That's so important.

651
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:28,320
Speaker 1: I'm really curious. You know you talked about obviously folks

652
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 1: you can reach out to and your algorithm even shifting,

653
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 1: but like has as being on the producing team of

654
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 1: this series also just changed your conversations with friends and family,

655
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 1: like what's going on around GI's dinner table?

656
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 3: Now, Yeah, this is insane that you're asking this, because

657
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 3: for me, it's all about the group chat, Like it

658
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 3: goes down in the group chats. I am so thankful

659
00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 3: that because of today, I have a very live group

660
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 3: chat from different age groups, my girlfriends that are in

661
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 3: their sixties and seventies to my girlies that are in

662
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:13,919
Speaker 3: their early thirties that are like, are you sure that's

663
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,839
Speaker 3: a thing, And I'm like, I'm trying to help you out.

664
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 3: You don't even know, you know, like listen to your

665
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 3: elder you know. But on a serious note, like we're

666
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 3: having a premiere coming up for our docuseries, and I

667
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 3: literally was sitting there having like a out of body moment.

668
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 3: I was I was talking to I was working out

669
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 3: at the Alo gym, and all the girls there are

670
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 3: so cute. They're holding their Haley Baber shakes and they're

671
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 3: you know, their whole conversation of life is what I

672
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 3: remember at that time of being like totally twenty eight

673
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 3: to thirty five. And I started to share about this

674
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 3: docuseries and they it was insane the type of questions

675
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 3: they were asking me, because they were like, Okay, we

676
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 3: get that that's a thing like way down there, but

677
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 3: you're going through this, and I understood what they meant.

678
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 3: I appreciated that honesty because I know, back to our

679
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,399
Speaker 3: earlier conversation, like I don't look like what I thought

680
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 3: my teacher looked like at the grown up age, you know,

681
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:19,280
Speaker 3: And I'm having the conversation, I'm drinking the Haley Beaver shakes,

682
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 3: I'm doing all the things, and they picture what if

683
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 3: they picture perimenopause to be like, oh, it sounds like

684
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 3: you're at home with some some you know what are

685
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 3: those called? Yep, yeah, yeah, cold cream. You've got your

686
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 3: hair yellers, you can barely walk your your backcracks like

687
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 3: all these things that I'm like, low key, that happens too.

688
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 3: But don't neglect that what you can learn and what

689
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 3: I can teach you now will allow you to prepare

690
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:49,959
Speaker 3: for it. I've had so many exchanges with people where

691
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 3: I know the menopausal symptoms affected me in a way

692
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:58,840
Speaker 3: that I would have handled those so differently. And I

693
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 3: hate that. Yes, you know, I know now because I

694
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 3: know myself, like because I've tuned into listening to myself

695
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:08,800
Speaker 3: so much more, And I see myself asking the questions

696
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 3: in my group chats, and I see myself talking with

697
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 3: my friends so vividly about about how we handled this

698
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 3: situation because we know this is happening. So we've you know,

699
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 3: we've taken the nap, we've gone asleep earlier, We've done

700
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 3: the changes and and and also went and saw this

701
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 3: doctor and got a you know, just you know, one

702
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:29,839
Speaker 3: of my friends even just being as real as telling

703
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 3: me the testosterone level that she found she was so

704
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 3: low on and needed to replenish differently with her new

705
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 3: intake of her testosterone, Like how stronger she was in

706
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 3: a new business that she started opening up and that

707
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:48,320
Speaker 3: she this business that she started she had to close

708
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 3: down at first a few years ago when she didn't

709
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 3: have this information, and as soon as she started hormone therapy,

710
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 3: she immediately started the business back up in three months.

711
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 3: And I was like, I can now navigate this so

712
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 3: much differently because I saw exactly where I wasn't strong before,

713
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 3: and I talked myself down and beat myself up to

714
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 3: the point of no return because of how badly I

715
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 3: didn't understand myself. Now, if I feel the memory fog,

716
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,800
Speaker 3: I know where to administer this. And if I feel

717
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 3: like I'm getting a bit of sleep fatigue, I know

718
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 3: where to go to bed earlier and put a little

719
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 3: melotonein and magnesium on my feet. And she's just got

720
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 3: it all dialed where she knows now almost like a DJ,

721
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:25,959
Speaker 3: where to crank it up to get the best pure

722
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 3: sound in her everyday activity. And I was like, yeah,

723
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:30,799
Speaker 3: I want to be there, like get me there, you know.

724
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 3: And so because of that, because of conversations like that,

725
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 3: we're able to exchange doctors are things we're trying. And

726
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 3: even with the directors of the film Sadali and ATABOUTI there,

727
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:42,360
Speaker 3: they're constantly, you know, suggesting to me different things that

728
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 3: have worked for them. And and it's great that we

729
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 3: have I have a community that I can navigate this

730
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 3: through with, but I keep thinking about my mom or

731
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 3: my friends that aren't in Hollywood that don't have that access,

732
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 3: And that's the point of molence. We want to create

733
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:05,799
Speaker 3: that agency so that it's accessible and tangible to everybody

734
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 3: at any place that you live with, any workfield that

735
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 3: you're at, or any home that you're operating out of.

736
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 2: That's so cool. It's really really cool.

737
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 1: I mean when you think about that, you know, because

738
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 1: we're talking about shifting conversations, taboos, healthcare, industry, medical research,

739
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 1: what are the broader shifts that you hope this project

740
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,919
Speaker 1: is going to spark? Like, what would your best case

741
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 1: scenario be to see in the follow on news about

742
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 1: this thing, like sixty days after your premiere.

743
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 3: Yeah. I hope that women leave feeling seen and informed

744
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:52,839
Speaker 3: and less alone. I hope that the people who love

745
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 3: them also leave that are equipped to listen. You know,

746
00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:01,720
Speaker 3: I think that knowledge doesn't change out. It restores trust

747
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 3: in your own body, which is the greatest reward we

748
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 3: already have, but we don't always tap into And I

749
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:12,880
Speaker 3: also think aging is a big thing. I love that

750
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 3: our docuseries reframes aging as a transition that deserves preparation,

751
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 3: not punishment. You know, I think that we shouldn't look

752
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 3: at our bodies and perimenopause as a decline. It's about recalibration.

753
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:40,359
Speaker 3: It's about women deserving support through that recalibration and celebrating

754
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 3: the understanding and the acknowledgment and the triumph of being

755
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 3: where we are because we've earned every single bit of

756
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 3: our life that we gain towards. It just shouldn't feel

757
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 3: like a decline.

758
00:46:56,360 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, because it isn't. There's no way that so many

759
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:04,279
Speaker 1: women say that their forties and then their fifties are

760
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:08,720
Speaker 1: the best decades of their lives, that they only get happier, smarter,

761
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 1: you know, fill in the blank. Ye, And that for

762
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 1: some reason, the story in society is that it's a decline.

763
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 2: It also needs that alchemy, it needs that redefinition.

764
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:24,360
Speaker 3: Right, And that's why it's important to remember that, like

765
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 3: when millions of women are navigating this biological transition without

766
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 3: having the information or the adequate education, this can cause

767
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:42,840
Speaker 3: a ripple effect. This is not just a single woman's issue.

768
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 3: This is a societal issue that affects homes, workplaces, health systems.

769
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:51,840
Speaker 3: Everybody is involved in this conversation.

770
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:55,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's so important because there are no

771
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:57,320
Speaker 1: issues that are.

772
00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 2: Just women's or just men's issues.

773
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 1: They are our issues, and particularly for women that are

774
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 1: in relationships with men, like the men need to know

775
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:06,280
Speaker 1: what is up.

776
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 2: With their lands. Yes, it's so important.

777
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 3: And I have more respect to when when when men

778
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 3: taken an open, energetic, enthusiastic approach to this. Yes, the

779
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 3: energy shifts when a man also just takes heat to

780
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:27,240
Speaker 3: understanding this that. You know, we talk so much about

781
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:29,799
Speaker 3: what gentlemen look like opening the door and you know,

782
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 3: letting women in before them pulling out their chair. But

783
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:36,399
Speaker 3: like my definition on that has changed so much today.

784
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:39,799
Speaker 3: I'm like, that is the most basic Come on right

785
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:43,879
Speaker 3: exactly now, I'm like, wait, you asked what you can

786
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:46,319
Speaker 3: do for a woman who's going through perimenopaus. What are

787
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 3: the signs that you can see and how can you

788
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:50,399
Speaker 3: support a woman? What are the right questions to ask,

789
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 3: like to like clothes, Like wait a minute, you know

790
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 3: what I'm saying.

791
00:48:56,000 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 1: And now a word from our wonderful sponsors. It's so

792
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 1: interesting like we obviously saw so many relationships that formed

793
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 1: and fell apart, like particularly during pandemic times. Yeah, but

794
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 1: I think they're what I'm finding in a lot of

795
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 1: my group chats. And by the way, now I'm like,

796
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:23,840
Speaker 1: you need to be in my group chats and I

797
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 1: need to be in a chats girl, like what are

798
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 1: we doing it? But it's like we the number of

799
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 1: women I know that are like, oh, it was the

800
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 1: big life event thing that I realized no matter what

801
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 1: he said, his actions didn't show up for fertility, new parenthood.

802
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 2: I'm sure perimenopause.

803
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:47,279
Speaker 1: Like women are done being in relationships where they are

804
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:49,839
Speaker 1: expected to do all of the suffering and all of

805
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:54,319
Speaker 1: the work. And so I hope that your series will

806
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 1: also be a wake up call for the men to

807
00:49:57,040 --> 00:50:00,800
Speaker 1: go like, oh, yeah, we we have to show up,

808
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 1: not just with the flowers, the or the you know,

809
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:07,319
Speaker 1: dinner date planned on Valentine Essay, but like we have

810
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 1: to show up to actually be these like chivalrous men

811
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 1: we say we are for our partners when they actually

812
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 1: need us.

813
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 2: And this is one of the littlements.

814
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, postpartum, perry, menopause, like you your person

815
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:22,240
Speaker 1: needs you in these times totally.

816
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:24,840
Speaker 3: That is one disclaimer I'll have for all my sisters

817
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:28,240
Speaker 3: out there who we're going to watch the docuseries when

818
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 3: it's out on January thirtieth. Notice what you're going to

819
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 3: take as compliments and gestures that feel that feel like

820
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:41,440
Speaker 3: a man is actually extending himself. Like I remember my

821
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 3: girlfriend she cut her hair from like a lob to

822
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 3: like a pixie and she was like, oh my god,

823
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:52,279
Speaker 3: you know, my man noticed my haircut. And I was like,

824
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:54,719
Speaker 3: he never even notices anything about me. I was so

825
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:57,839
Speaker 3: like touched, and I was like, I'm going to need

826
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 3: my man to notice like my sleep. I'm gonna need

827
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 3: to be able to feel a little bidy. I need

828
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:05,400
Speaker 3: to notice if I haven't had some food and I

829
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:07,760
Speaker 3: want some, you know, some help because I'm working overtime

830
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 3: over here as a single mom, and I need you

831
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:10,879
Speaker 3: to go get a meal for me. Like it's it's

832
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:14,440
Speaker 3: I think it's there's a really fun way to have

833
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:18,360
Speaker 3: have some levity in this. And and I know in

834
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:20,400
Speaker 3: my group chats I am with my girlfriends. You know,

835
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:23,479
Speaker 3: I know that now that we understand what these symptoms are,

836
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 3: we're actually able to We're keeping a daily diary with

837
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 3: each other and we're joking about it, and when we

838
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 3: feel like, you know, when when our girls off like

839
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 3: we can come in with such love and care, and

840
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:36,879
Speaker 3: the husbands that are around, you know, some of us,

841
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:39,439
Speaker 3: you know, talking out loud and joking about this. There

842
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 3: they feel welcomed when we make it light and and

843
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 3: not make it light as in it's not serious, but

844
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 3: actually just call it out before they do, so that

845
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 3: we can all have anything. Because the last thing we

846
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 3: want anybody to do is to make us feel like

847
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 3: we're crazy or make us feel like we're invisible because

848
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:58,360
Speaker 3: of this, you know, And and that's that's that's that's important.

849
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 1: Well, I can't wait for the show to come out.

850
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 1: I know it's January thirtieth, and for our friends at home,

851
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 1: it's incredible because it's going to be everywhere. It's Amazon Prime,

852
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 1: it's Apple TV, you have multiple places you can watch this.

853
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 3: Make sure when you watch on January thirtieth. I'm super

854
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:18,439
Speaker 3: active in my DMS and I'm going to be want

855
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:21,720
Speaker 3: to I want to have a live discussion about this together.

856
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 3: So when I post about this, you guys go into

857
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 3: my captions armside of my comments, let me know what

858
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 3: you think. Let me know what you're experiencing. Because our filmmakers,

859
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:33,240
Speaker 3: said Dali and on A Bouti, and all of the doctors,

860
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 3: doctor Lewis, doctor Vonda, all of the doctors together docture.

861
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 3: We're all so we're so on fire about making sure

862
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 3: that everybody gets answers and feel seen and supported in

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Speaker 3: whatever neck of the woods that you are when you watch.

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Speaker 3: So keep in close touch with me on my Instagram

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Speaker 3: and also follow Balance docuseries on Instagram as well, and

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Speaker 3: that's where we'll be able to tend to your very questions.

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Speaker 3: The girls, they're actually on their live all the time.

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Speaker 3: Doctor I'm sorry, on a Bouti and Sidali, the filmmakers,

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Speaker 3: they are always answering every question. So just know that

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Speaker 3: as you're watching this, this is a conversation. This is

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Speaker 3: an actual group chat we're inviting you to, so don't

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Speaker 3: feel like you're just watching the docu series and then

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Speaker 3: figuring it out yourself. We are getting out of the answers.

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Speaker 3: We're going to find you all the support that you

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Speaker 3: need until we get systems in place where it doesn't

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Speaker 3: have to be this hard.

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Speaker 2: That's amazing. I love that.

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Speaker 1: And my final and favorite question to ask everybody. Which

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Speaker 1: feels especially auspicious at the top of the year and

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Speaker 1: on your birthday is as you look at the air

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Speaker 1: ahead of you, what feels like you're work in progress?

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Speaker 3: My work in progress. So that's a good one. I

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Speaker 3: feel like my work in progress is my healing, my healing.

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Speaker 3: I've had a tumultuous last couple of years, and I

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Speaker 3: would like to be honored with the understanding of healing

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Speaker 3: from here until my last day. I don't want to

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Speaker 3: ever stop healing. I don't want to ever feel like

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Speaker 3: I've reached the point. I just want to continuously feel

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Speaker 3: the evolve and the elevation of my understanding and my

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Speaker 3: tools and my resources. And the fruit of that will

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Speaker 3: be my daughter. The fruit of that is seeing her

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Speaker 3: come out of a household that's very different from what

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Speaker 3: I grew up in, seeing my mom reparent herself that's

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Speaker 3: very different from her country and the conditions that were

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Speaker 3: there when she grew up. I am very thankful to

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Speaker 3: say that my healing will get to show up right

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Speaker 3: in front of my eyes with my family, and that

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Speaker 3: as a Vietnamese American woman, I hope will permeate to

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Speaker 3: my community as well.

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Speaker 2: That's so beautiful.

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Speaker 3: This was a really beautiful conversation, such thoughtful questions. I

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Speaker 3: was really excited to talk to you because I love

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Speaker 3: your work.

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Speaker 1: Me too, and every time I see you out in

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Speaker 1: the world, I'm always like, oh my god, I want

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Speaker 1: to hang with you more.

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Speaker 3: I know, I know, same, same, same