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Speaker 1: ready for this free agent class. But first it finally happened.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we got all sales.

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Speaker 2: A trade.

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Speaker 1: That wasn't bad. I thought I did a pretty good

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Speaker 1: Kirby there. H Per multiple reports, the Hawks cockr are

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Speaker 1: sending forward John Collins to the Utah Jazz forget this

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Speaker 1: swingman Rudy Gay and a second round pick. This trade

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Speaker 2: I guess we shouldn't be surprised that John Collins got moved,

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Speaker 1: Sure, sure, this is.

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Speaker 2: Like John Collins is a good car, and the Hawks

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Speaker 2: say to the Jazz, Hey, we got this good car,

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Speaker 2: The Jazz are like, okay, do you want anything in return? Nah? Nah,

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Speaker 2: eyeing this car, a productive car. What's wrong with it? Hawks, Listen,

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Speaker 2: we just don't don't use it like we used to.

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Speaker 2: It's taking up a lot of room. We've got a

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Speaker 2: get rid of one. Jazz opportunity. Pick this one up. Baby.

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Speaker 2: They're putting in their garage, and it's going to work

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Speaker 2: bigs like that. They've played Kelly Olnick with Mark and Kessler,

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Speaker 2: and I think they're totally fine with this. I think

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Speaker 1: About financial flexibility for the Hawks moving off of Collins.

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Speaker 1: He's owed seventy eight million over the next three seasons.

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Speaker 1: It allows the Hawks to drop far below the one

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Speaker 2: For sure, he'll he'll be better with floor spacers and

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Speaker 2: so he can shoot that ball. I think they're gonna

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Speaker 2: be pretty happy with him. This is just a good

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Speaker 2: get for literally for nothing. Yeah, very talented dude who

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Speaker 2: But here in a lesser role, he'll be productive and

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Speaker 1: Do you think this is the Jazz sending a message

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but he has been a Utah Jazz target for

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Speaker 2: It looks like they're going to be at least a

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Speaker 2: This is a great move. I think I think they

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Speaker 1: They'll they'll want to be too, because they owe a

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Speaker 1: get They probably want to convey that pick get out

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Speaker 1: of debt to Oka See. So that's something to watch

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Speaker 1: But yeah, we both agree this is a nice deal.

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Speaker 1: How old do you think John Collins is?

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Speaker 1: Is there something there that's what they really It feels

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00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:54,399
Speaker 1: like they need to just they need like you know,

432
00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:58,000
Speaker 1: a Conley, so to speak, not maybe at that level,

433
00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:00,439
Speaker 1: but someone for much much more affordable, like they used

434
00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:02,080
Speaker 1: to have there because that's when they were making their run.

435
00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:03,919
Speaker 1: That's when they started ten and three last year, and

436
00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:05,560
Speaker 1: you couldn't stop talking about them on the show.

437
00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:06,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, because they were right run.

438
00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:08,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then they sort of started trading pieces.

439
00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,800
Speaker 2: But they could definitely sign clarksonto a deal and then

440
00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:14,520
Speaker 2: potentially trade him down the road. But yeah, the guard

441
00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:19,000
Speaker 2: is likely to come later on in this build. Yeah,

442
00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:22,280
Speaker 2: probably not in free agency. And that's why this was

443
00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:26,000
Speaker 2: a good move to get a talented guy. Books are clean,

444
00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:26,840
Speaker 2: though very clean.

445
00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:29,400
Speaker 1: All right, let's hear from everybody out there. Your thoughts

446
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:33,200
Speaker 1: on John Collins finally being traded. What were you doing

447
00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:36,680
Speaker 1: when the news broke? Do you remember where you were

448
00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:38,800
Speaker 1: the day John Collins was traded to the Utah Jazz?

449
00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:43,920
Speaker 2: Uh? Yes, What were you doing? Taking off my socks? Wow?

450
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,679
Speaker 2: My bombus? Oh jeez, I gotta be honest, That's what

451
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:47,320
Speaker 2: I was doing.

452
00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:51,080
Speaker 1: I was laying mulch really yeah. Yeah, I picked the

453
00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:52,760
Speaker 1: hottest day of the year to do it. That was smart,

454
00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:55,199
Speaker 1: wasn't it. But that's what I was doing. And I

455
00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:57,480
Speaker 1: came in. I'm like, oh damn, John Collins got traded.

456
00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:59,400
Speaker 2: Where he came in? Yeah, looked at your phone.

457
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:01,480
Speaker 1: Well, I didn't think you're over it either. I think

458
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:03,440
Speaker 1: I beat you to the news. That's why I was

459
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 1: asking what you were doing yesterday? People are like, where's

460
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:08,280
Speaker 1: the emergency podcast? Where's the emergency Come on?

461
00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:13,080
Speaker 2: Now? This is this, This was headlining today's show exactly.

462
00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:15,960
Speaker 1: It's either we do an emergency podcast yesterday and no

463
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 1: show today, or we just sit on it and wait, wow,

464
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:20,600
Speaker 1: come on. But the problem was, we did that cam

465
00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 1: Reddish emergency podcast that one time, and everybody's now like, well,

466
00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:25,200
Speaker 1: any player goes some truth to that.

467
00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:27,479
Speaker 2: But I had no problem putting on my socks and

468
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Speaker 2: doing an emergency podcast. No you really? Yes? Okay for JC,

469
00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:34,200
Speaker 2: where our guy?

470
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:37,040
Speaker 1: Okay, let's hear from you out there, your thoughts on

471
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Speaker 1: the tray. We're gonna tar a quick break and when

472
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Speaker 1: we come back, a little NBA Free agency primer. The

473
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Speaker 1: ads on YouTube they are evolving and the stream team

474
00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:50,880
Speaker 1: loves them. They approve of the sad GD but half

475
00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 1: the hero says, yeah, yeah, all right. The NBA's free

476
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:58,480
Speaker 1: agency negotiation period officially begins six pm Eastern this Friday,

477
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:02,000
Speaker 1: ahead of the league's in moratorium. Deals can be agreed

478
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:05,320
Speaker 1: to during this period, but can't be officially signed until

479
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 1: July sixth. Unrestricted free agents will be able to sign

480
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:10,879
Speaker 1: with any team restricted free agents they can too, but

481
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,439
Speaker 1: the player's original team can choose to match and offer

482
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:16,959
Speaker 1: to retain said player. So I thought we could do

483
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Speaker 1: a little breakdown here tasks a little primer. You could

484
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:23,119
Speaker 1: chime in on some names that you're intrigued by and

485
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 1: where they could maybe go, stay whatever. Before we get

486
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:30,400
Speaker 1: to the tiers, I've broken them into like all Stars

487
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 1: and then unrestricted by their positions, some restricted, some player options.

488
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 1: Keith Smith had a tweet yesterday breaking down the twenty

489
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:41,560
Speaker 1: twenty three cap space projections just to like zoom out,

490
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:43,720
Speaker 1: take a look at the teams with a bunch of

491
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:46,600
Speaker 1: money that they could throw at free agents and how

492
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Speaker 1: they choose to use it. The Rockets have nearly sixty

493
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:54,359
Speaker 1: one million dollars in cap space. That is a ton.

494
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 1: Now we'll get to talking about James Harden, which in

495
00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 1: theory could take a lot of that, or they could

496
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:02,119
Speaker 1: go a different direction and maybe get two or three guys.

497
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 1: Spurs thirty eight point six million kings, thirty five point

498
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 1: six million pacers, thirty two point two million Piston's thirty million,

499
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,920
Speaker 1: the Jazz twenty eight point four million, the Magic twenty

500
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 1: three point nine million. Important note about the Jazz. You

501
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 1: may have seen other sites noting that the Jazz only

502
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:21,440
Speaker 1: have twelve million in cap space, but that is likely

503
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:25,119
Speaker 1: factoring in Jordan Clarkson's cap hold, which Keith did not.

504
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,680
Speaker 1: I saw him note that. So that's why that number

505
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:31,400
Speaker 1: there differs in maybe some but the Jazz either either

506
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 1: twelve million if you're including the cap hold on Clarkson,

507
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 1: and if you're not, twenty eight plus. All right, So

508
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,160
Speaker 1: that's that's the teams with the money.

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Speaker 2: That's a primer for you.

510
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

511
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Speaker 2: I like that. I like this idea of breaking it

512
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:48,120
Speaker 2: all down. Here's the dollars where they could go, and

513
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 2: we'll get to the players. The Jazz is interesting. It

514
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 2: feels like they have also other options with Taylor Horton Tucker,

515
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:57,119
Speaker 2: Yes that's true, who was their starting point guard at

516
00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 2: the end of the last year. Thht it's going to

517
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 2: be a lot of space there potentially.

518
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,919
Speaker 1: So let's just start quickly here with a board showing

519
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 1: the to be decided player options, because we're still waiting

520
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 1: on some guys here. James Harden We are waiting his

521
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,159
Speaker 1: decision of whether he's going to opt in opt out

522
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 1: of that final thirty five point six million dollar deal

523
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:22,200
Speaker 1: he has with the Sixers. Jordan Clarkson, we already talked

524
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 1: about him a little bit when we were talking about

525
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 1: the John Collins trade. Fourteen point two million. Josh Hart,

526
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Speaker 1: he has a twelve point nine million dollar play our option,

527
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 1: the Heart, the Heart I've been watching too many old

528
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,440
Speaker 1: wrestling videos, though, I was gonna say the Heart Foundation.

529
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 1: Josh Hart and the Knicks extended the player option deadline

530
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Speaker 1: until Thursday. It was Saturday night, but they you can

531
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Speaker 1: agree to move it and extend it, so they have

532
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,920
Speaker 1: until Thursday, I guess to figure out whether Josh Hart's

533
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:50,919
Speaker 1: going to opt in, opt out.

534
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, or hammer out a long term deal. That's what

535
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 2: it sounds like.

536
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, it does sound like he's going to stay with

537
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Speaker 1: the Knicks. And then I included Dante de Vincenzo here

538
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 1: four point seven million. Again, these are the ones I'm

539
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 1: pretty sure we don't know yet what they're actually doing.

540
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 1: Any thoughts on that board there with the player options.

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Speaker 2: Baby, yeah, all of them. Really. Heart's an interesting one

542
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,360
Speaker 2: because they lost to the Miami Heat. In the postseason

543
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:18,120
Speaker 2: and the way they're constructed with Jalen Brunson, Quentin Grimes,

544
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,880
Speaker 2: Julius Randall, Mitchell Robinson as sort of as their other starters.

545
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 2: It didn't help having him in the starting rotation. Josh

546
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 2: Hart is not a three ball shooter really. He feels

547
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 2: like more of a bench player, especially with that team.

548
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 2: He's got to be playing with shooters really, so there

549
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 2: was limited space out there. So if you're gonna extend

550
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 2: him and a long term deal, how much you're gonna

551
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 2: pay him, is he gonna be starter? It just doesn't

552
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 2: feel like an incredible fit at this point. The better

553
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,199
Speaker 2: lineup that Tom Thibodeau took too long to get to

554
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,360
Speaker 2: was Quentin Grimes in that starting lineup to go along

555
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,239
Speaker 2: with RJ. Barret. I didn't even mention RJ. Barrett, so

556
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,159
Speaker 2: you know it's Grimes are hard in that starting lineup. Anyways,

557
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,920
Speaker 2: I'm getting a little into the nitty grit yet, they

558
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 2: just need a little bit more shooting. The heat. We're saying, Randall,

559
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 2: shoot that heart, shoot that rob heart.

560
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,160
Speaker 1: Was funny because remember you couldn't miss a three. Yeah,

561
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 1: when he first came over, he was on fire, and then.

562
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 2: He got back to normal. He regrets to the means.

563
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 2: When you're not guarding Randle and you're not guarding Robinson,

564
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 2: you've got three non shooters essentially with Josh Hart, and

565
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 2: the starting lineup is the whole point. So at this point,

566
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,159
Speaker 2: I think they're trying to retool. I'm sure you know

567
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 2: we had some discussions about RJ. Barrett going out for

568
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:34,200
Speaker 2: even a crazy Bradley Beal type package just to get

569
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 2: more of a perimeter score. So I'm interested to see

570
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 2: what the Knicks do there if they limit themselves, because

571
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 2: the heat showed they what they the defense can do

572
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 2: against the team with limited shooting. And the Knicks did

573
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 2: not pick up Derek Rose's option as well, which is

574
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 2: sixteen mil. Makes sense he's going to be a free agent.

575
00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 2: He wasn't offering a lot. They've got Evan forty more

576
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 2: year on the books, and then they can probably make

577
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:08,479
Speaker 2: some more maneuvers. But they may limit themselves by signing

578
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 2: Josh Hart, who, yeah, is a great piece, but maybe

579
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 2: not on this team currently.

580
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 1: As for Harden, he is expected to opt out of

581
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 1: his thirty five point six million dollars deal with the

582
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Speaker 1: Sixers for next season. Before that Thursday, deadline hit free

583
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 1: agency on Friday. It's whether or not he is staying

584
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 1: in Philadelphia or is this rumor that started months ago

585
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 1: the idea of going back to Houston legitimate or not?

586
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 1: Or is Harden and his team sort of using that

587
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 1: his leverage to get more money from Marian the Sixers.

588
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 1: Do you have a read on that or do you

589
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 1: think he's going to be staying there now? With Nick Nurse.

590
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 1: I think he had a great meeting with Nick Nurse.

591
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 1: He was impressed, I guess by all accounts.

592
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, he had. He had great meetings with Doc last

593
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 2: year as well. So nobody has a good read on this.

594
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 2: James probably knows where he's going. Maybe, but this is

595
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 2: the one situation that's confounded the most people in the

596
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 2: basketball world. Why would he go back to Houston right

597
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 2: if they're not going to win? But maybe he's cool

598
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 2: with that. Maybe he just wants to roll out the

599
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 2: ball and play basketball and not win that. That would

600
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 2: be the strange, very strange scenario because he's not gonna win.

601
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 2: These are his years, if any, that he's going to win,

602
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 2: and he won a couple of games in the postseason

603
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 2: for the Sixers. I think coming out of the playoffs,

604
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 2: even though he had some stinkies against the Celtics and

605
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 2: to end that series. I think this was the playoffs

606
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 2: where people would say James Harden had the best reputation

607
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 2: coming out of it, even though he had battles. Oh wow,

608
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 2: he had game winners. He had had two forty point

609
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 2: games in that series, a lot of highs, a lot

610
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 2: of loads. So that's it's the It's it's strange, but

611
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 2: you want to win or not you have a better

612
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 2: chance of Philly, more pressure or no pressure. What would you.

613
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 1: How would you feel if he actually went back and

614
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 1: just sign the Houston Rockets and sort of ended his

615
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 1: career getting paid and scoring a lot and getting a

616
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,239
Speaker 1: lot of assists and maybe accolades, but not a lot

617
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 1: of probably team success where they are as a franchise.

618
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 1: Like would you like, I don't judge him for that,

619
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 1: Like would it sour you in how you think of

620
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 1: maybe his legacy if that's ultimately how he plays this.

621
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 1: I don't think he will, by the way, but if he.

622
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 2: Does, I think I'd respect him more.

623
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 1: No comer.

624
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 2: Really, I know it's weird. We want athletes to go

625
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 2: forth go forth, but I don't know. Okay, maybe he's

626
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 2: a unique guy. It would be weird. I don't know.

627
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 2: As far as far as his legacy goes, I don't

628
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 2: think it's really going to change all that much. He's

629
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 2: not going for it.

630
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 1: If he gets his legacy changes. If he actually can

631
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 1: help a team get to finals and.

632
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 2: Win, yeah, well they had a good shot happen. They're

633
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 2: up three to two on the Celtics and they didn't.

634
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 2: So I don't know. Then there's this extent, you know,

635
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 2: this indirect talk here about trading Tobias Harris. There's lots

636
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 2: of rumors at the six to try and build up

637
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 2: the team around potentially hard in an MBA, that they

638
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 2: would trade Tobias Harris. But I don't know. Maybe it's

639
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:10,959
Speaker 2: just better for the Sixers to move on, even though

640
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 2: Harden is a really good player and won them games,

641
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 2: to just try and put more stock into the Tyrese

642
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 2: MAXI and you know, not handcuff them with more moves.

643
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 2: So maybe Harden's doing them a weird favor in a way.

644
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 1: I think they are just having to figure out how

645
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 1: many years and what's the money here for him to

646
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 1: stay with Philadelphia. I do think he will go that direction.

647
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 1: You know, you have a bunch of decisions that they

648
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 1: have to make in Philadelphia, though Paul Reid will be

649
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 1: a free agent, he's restricted, so they can obviously offer

650
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 1: any offer, any deal, and another team throws his way.

651
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 1: George Niang, Jallen McDaniel, Shake, Milton Mantras, Harrel, they're all

652
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 1: also hitting free agency here. But yeah, James Harden will

653
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 1: very likely be again opting out testing free agency. And

654
00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 1: I think it will just be what's the money and

655
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 1: for how many years? And I think it works if

656
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 1: it's just not if it's not a four year deal,

657
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I think it Obviously Philadelphia

658
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 1: would prefer like a two, maybe three for a lot

659
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 1: of money. He's gonna get a ton of money. Let

660
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 1: the league and it says is good.

661
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 2: But you could see the Rockets throwing more money at

662
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 2: him and Harden potentially saying, y' I'll do that right

663
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 2: rather than go to Philadelphia for less money. There's not

664
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 2: too many there's not too many individuals you'd say that

665
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 2: about it. That would be a unique circumstance.

666
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 1: Sure, sure, all right, Well let's move on to the

667
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 1: actual unrestricted free agents. I've got this first board here

668
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 1: as all star level players. Okay, so they you know,

669
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 1: let's let's say they were all Stars in the last

670
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 1: like two or three years. I think all of these

671
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 1: guys were. And the list is Kyrie Irving who's unrestricted,

672
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 1: Fred Van Vliet, who declined his twenty two point eight

673
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 1: million player option, Chris Middleton, who declined his forty point

674
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 1: four million dollar player option, and Draymond Green, who declined

675
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 1: twenty seven point six million dollar player option. So Irving,

676
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 1: Van Vliet, Middleton, Green, who intrigues.

677
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 2: These are some of the best players available period. Are

678
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:14,320
Speaker 2: the best players? Yeah yeah, along with Harden. Yeah, Kyrie

679
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:17,319
Speaker 2: is sticking in Dallas most money. They gave up a

680
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,839
Speaker 2: lot for him. There's that story out there that he's

681
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 2: already recruiting for the MAVs with Lebron, Right, it feels

682
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 2: like he's staying there. Yeah, yeah, so I think we

683
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 2: can probably take him off the board. Friend Van Vliet

684
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:35,839
Speaker 2: so interesting. It feels like Houston's going to splash if

685
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 2: they don't get hard and they're gonna throw money at

686
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:38,479
Speaker 2: Van Vliet.

687
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: Shouldn't they want Van Vliet more than James?

688
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:45,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, a little bit more on their timeline. Yeah, absolutely,

689
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 2: But also it would be a very Toronto Raptors thing

690
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 2: to bring him back. I know it sounds crazy, doesn't

691
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 2: It doesn't feel that way Gary Trent Junior coming back,

692
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 2: I think because kind of saw the potential for Fred

693
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 2: to leave, bigger opportunity, more room to roam back there

694
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 2: in the back court. He would be the lead guard

695
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 2: right now, he would have the ball in his hands

696
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:08,360
Speaker 2: a lot.

697
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 1: But new coach, new system.

698
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,919
Speaker 2: New system. Yeah, that part of it as well. Yeah,

699
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 2: this would be a Raptors think to bring Fred back.

700
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 2: Just run it back as a mediocre team. Let's do

701
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 2: it again with a new coach in Darko. So I

702
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 2: don't know, he could go both ways, but I know

703
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 2: the Rockets are going to spend some money. It feels

704
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 2: like they're going to, you know, either throw it at

705
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 2: Harden or throw it at Van Vleet, throw a huge

706
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 2: bag at Fred van Vleet them Lea.

707
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 1: It's interesting because you can sort of see him in

708
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 1: a lot of places like the Rockets. He would in

709
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 1: theory be like he'd be like a stabilizer, right You

710
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,720
Speaker 1: could see him as a bit of a mentor obviously

711
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 1: a floor general on a team that's trying to rebuild

712
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: with a bunch of young talent, and they want to

713
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 1: start winning some games. I mean, they've been bad for

714
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 1: three years running. Now Udoka there, Now, I want to

715
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: start winning some game. Or you could also see Van Vliet.

716
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what happened through free agency, but you

717
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 1: could see Van Vliet being like the final piece to

718
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 1: like push a team to the next level, as your

719
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:13,320
Speaker 1: third or fourth or whatever best player on a squad.

720
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 1: So he fits in a lot of places. But then

721
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 1: there's this ugly truth of is Van Vliet going to

722
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: be overpaid immediately as soon as he signs this new contract?

723
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 1: Like is van Vliet that good to be a thirty

724
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: to thirty three million dollars a year type player. He's

725
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 1: what twenty nine, so he's like sort of in his prime.

726
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 1: But he you know, he's good. He's scrappy, but he

727
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 1: has his limitations too. He struggles to stay in front

728
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 1: of super fast guards. He struggles at the rim. Sometimes

729
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 1: his shot leaves them. So I'm with you. I could

730
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 1: see a team like Houston. I think he comes in

731
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 1: and he does he just makes everyone a little more professional,

732
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,879
Speaker 1: you know, like because that's how he's like just made

733
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 1: it in this in this league as an undrafted guy

734
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 1: and betting on himself and winning a chip and all that.

735
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,760
Speaker 1: But uh oh, it's gonna be I think it's gonna

736
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:07,320
Speaker 1: be a bit of a tough contract to swallow maybe

737
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 1: moving forward, but maybe some teams don't care because they

738
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:09,800
Speaker 1: got the space.

739
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 2: He's become a free agency, a free agent at the

740
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 2: right time. Yes, yeah, because he is one of the

741
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 2: bigger names. He would fit perfectly in Miami. I know

742
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:22,320
Speaker 2: it's not it's not easy to make the math work,

743
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 2: but they're trying for Beale. They're obviously going to try

744
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 2: for a Lillard and a guy who maybe doesn't finish

745
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 2: at the rim is his biggest weakness on the offensive end.

746
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 2: I think they can overcome that in Miami, as we

747
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 2: saw Gabe Vincent thrived there and so Fred could thrive there.

748
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 2: For sure. The math probably doesn't work in a sign

749
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 2: and trade. Maybe a sign and trade him back for

750
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 2: Kyle Lowry one more time, just to make it work.

751
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 2: But he's gonna make a team better. I get what

752
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 2: you're saying in terms of the years, maybe a few

753
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 2: years down the road.

754
00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 1: Do you, as a Raptors fan, want Fred Van Vliet

755
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 1: in uniform at the start next season.

756
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 2: I would like them to change it up. Okay, and

757
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 2: this is the only thing that can tangibly happen immediately

758
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 2: without a huge trade pack.

759
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 1: Right outside of trading an og or a ctcome something.

760
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 2: I think Fred wants to change. He's gonna get more

761
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,280
Speaker 2: money somewhere else. Don't you feel the same.

762
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do. Like I said, I mean, it was

763
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 1: a long winded way for me to get to I'm

764
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 1: not sure I'd want to be paying Van Vleet thirty

765
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 1: three million dollars to be the lead point guard on

766
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 1: the Raptors. At least that's my opinion. And I'm sure

767
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:36,360
Speaker 1: that's the decision they're trying to figure out mission Bobby

768
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 1: Webster because but because then okay he leaves, then what

769
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 1: the Raptors have no guards? You're telling me Gary Trent

770
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 1: Junior is like their one loan guard. It's not. I

771
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 1: mean that we had our WhatsApp chat was going nuts

772
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 1: yesterday saying D'Angelo Russell was going to be the Raptor's

773
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 1: point guard. I'd rather have Van.

774
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 2: Vleet because he was seen in Toronto.

775
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 1: No, no, no, I just oh boy.

776
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 2: Put down your mulch for a second. Read this story

777
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 2: on the Daily Hive or whatever that was. Yeah, he

778
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 2: was at uf T, had a penny on, like a

779
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:12,320
Speaker 2: jersey on that said uf T like summer League Dangel Russell.

780
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:12,919
Speaker 2: That guy.

781
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, fascinating just now.

782
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:18,320
Speaker 2: Maybe he thinks caravaners this weekend or something like you

783
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 2: got there early. I know, I don't know why he's

784
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 2: there at u of T unless they're talking to him.

785
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 2: But Fred is going to lead.

786
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:30,879
Speaker 1: You can't be talking to them, Yeah, you can't.

787
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 2: It's not a lot. I was reading, not talking to

788
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 2: It's so weird. I guess you could talk to your

789
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 2: own team. People were getting on me because they said

790
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:44,400
Speaker 2: nas Reed was at his at the drafty workouts in Minnesota.

791
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 2: But I guess he's not a free agent till July first,

792
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 2: So if it's your own team, that's a lot.

793
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:47,840
Speaker 1: Sure.

794
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 2: But Fred is going to lead some young guys. We

795
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 2: talk about Houston a little bit where he doesn't have

796
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 2: to get to the room as much because they've got

797
00:39:55,560 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 2: ridiculous athleticism around. They got a Thompson twin, they've got

798
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 2: Jalen Green, They've got so many guys who will get

799
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 2: to the rim. And he can just be sort of

800
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:09,919
Speaker 2: a leader among boys and shoot the three that'll fit him. Well,

801
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,280
Speaker 2: he's going to get paid. The end of the contract

802
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 2: is the worrisome part with Fred. If it's a four

803
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 2: year due for sure.

804
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 1: All right, let's go to the centers in unrestricted free agency.

805
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:21,240
Speaker 2: So or not even to talk about my man Chris Middleton.

806
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 1: Oh, okay, go ahead. I mean he's not going anywhere.

807
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:24,279
Speaker 1: You've already said that.

808
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 2: No, he's not.

809
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:27,360
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone else on that list is going anywhere.

810
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 1: Like I think of like the top ten free agents available,

811
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:33,720
Speaker 1: I think the only ones I can actually see leaving

812
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 1: are Van Vliet, maybe Kuzma if you even include him

813
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 1: in the top ten.

814
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:39,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, he'll leave. Yeah, Chris has staying.

815
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 1: He's only two because I think Middleton's saying. I think

816
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 1: Draymond is ultimately staying. I think Harden is staying. Of

817
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 1: these big names, yeah, I.

818
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 2: Just wanted to tease people a little bit. But no,

819
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 2: Middleton ain't going anywhere. I totally agree he's what he was,

820
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 2: literally one of the best players out there, one of

821
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 2: the best three players with Kyrie and Harden, with what

822
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 2: he's done in his career. But I don't think teams

823
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 2: are offering him a ton, like a ton more than

824
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 2: what the Bucks are going to offer him. Probably not.

825
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:10,240
Speaker 2: But this guy is a really really good player. Yeah,

826
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 2: so in a crop that doesn't have a ton of players,

827
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 2: I'm a little surprised that there aren't more rumors about

828
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 2: him leaving.

829
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 1: Here's what is happening already with this new CBA on

830
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:22,840
Speaker 1: the horizon. Players like him, this sort of middle class player,

831
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 1: not elite, not superstar players. It's these players Van Vliet

832
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 1: to some extent Middleton. It's gonna be really difficult to

833
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,399
Speaker 1: make those guys. Thirty to thirty five million or even

834
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 1: forty million, like that much money for that level player

835
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 1: is going to crush teams. It's like, this is what

836
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 1: people said, the quote unquote middleman is going to get

837
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 1: screwed here.

838
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 2: But that's what the Bucks are gonna pay him. They're

839
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 2: going to forty.

840
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 1: No, I mean he was already under a huge contract. Yeah, yes,

841
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:51,360
Speaker 1: they're they're going to actually like, Okay, we're gonna lock

842
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:53,359
Speaker 1: him up a couple more years, probably on a cheaper deal.

843
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:55,800
Speaker 1: That's smart, and they're still you have be honest, you

844
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 1: can still win a championship.

845
00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you pay a guy, yeah, a little bit

846
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 2: more than the market would because you have championship aspirations.

847
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 2: So he's gonna get the best deal in Milwaukee. He's

848
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 2: the honest's right hand man. He was part of the

849
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 2: coaching search for Adrian Griffin recently. Is that tampering? So

850
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 2: he's gonna be there for sure, he's gonna be there.

851
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 1: Well, there's another name on the Milwaukee Bucks who is

852
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 1: an unrestricted free agent. Let's go to the centers. We

853
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:28,240
Speaker 1: got brook Lopez, we got Vucci Baby, we got Pearl,

854
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,399
Speaker 1: We threw on Christian Wood, and just because I wanted

855
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 1: a fifth name, I threw on Mason Plumbley. So Lopez

856
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:38,840
Speaker 1: vouch Perle would plumbly. These are the unrestricted centers of

857
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 1: note tasks.

858
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, now we're getting into the guys that could move right.

859
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 2: Brook Lopez hot hot rumors of him going to Houston.

860
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 2: I'm surprised that there hasn't been any chatter. Maybe people

861
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 2: just don't like talking about Milwaukee, but any chatter about

862
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 2: him staying with the Bucks. This is a team that

863
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 2: wants to win a freagain championship. There are once with

864
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:02,799
Speaker 2: Brook Lopez as their center for a long time, do

865
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 2: they just want to get younger or are they going

866
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 2: to bring Brook back. I think they're going to run

867
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:10,879
Speaker 2: it back. I think they're gonna get Brooke in there.

868
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:14,439
Speaker 2: Maybe they don't want another tampering hit like they had

869
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 2: a couple of years ago and they were trying to

870
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 2: get bogged Don Bogdanovic. They lost a draft pick for that,

871
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,240
Speaker 2: So maybe they're just keeping quiet. But it's been oddly

872
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 2: quiet I think for regarding Brook Lopez. Uh then yeah,

873
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 2: we moved down the list here vouch. Wow, what a

874
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 2: wild ride it's been for Vucevic. He was getting from

875
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 2: an all star dealt for two first round picks from

876
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 2: the Magic, and I guess he's going to come back

877
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 2: on a cheapy contract with the Nugget out the Nuggets

878
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 2: with the Bulls.

879
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 1: Probably. Yeah, Purdle's got to go back and we've moved

880
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:53,720
Speaker 1: by the Magic selling Oh perfect quick selling high getting

881
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 1: first round picks. You imagine that right now? Good luck. No,

882
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:57,919
Speaker 1: it wouldn't be a chance.

883
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 2: No, they sold at the right time couple couple years ago.

884
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 2: This is exactly what the Hawk should have done with

885
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 2: John Collins. Pertle I think sticks around Toronto. The Christian

886
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 2: Wood's interesting the guy's still a bucket, But is he

887
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 2: leaving Dallas After they went and got Derek Lively. They

888
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 2: got Omax in the draft as well. Max Own's prosper.

889
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 1: He but he was having some issues with getting playing time, yes,

890
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:29,240
Speaker 1: under Jason Kidd.

891
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 2: But they have a couple guys in uh, Dwight Powell

892
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 2: and himself who are entering free agency here, They're they're unrestricted.

893
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 2: So what do the MAVs do? Are they just going

894
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 2: to be a really really really top heavy team and

895
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 2: try and go after somebody else, or do they bring

896
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 2: guys back like, Yeah, Dwight Powell, I'd say is more

897
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 2: of a chance to bring back than Christian Wood. Does.

898
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 2: Somebody wanted to take a chance on Christian Wood to be,

899
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 2: you know, their number one guy at center. Doesn't seem

900
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,839
Speaker 2: like it right now, doesn't seem like there's a really

901
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:04,839
Speaker 2: good fit looking up and down each roster, doesn't seem

902
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 2: like there's a really good fit. But a really talented

903
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 2: still a very talented guy for sure. Yeah, and plumb

904
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 2: dog fitting well with the Clippers. Yeah, he's gonna be

905
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 2: a backup big somewhere. I could see the Celtics, you know,

906
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:22,720
Speaker 2: picking him up for a cheap deal, championship type pickup.

907
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:24,359
Speaker 2: I could see that happen.

908
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 1: Let's go to the forwards unrestricted free agents. We got

909
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 1: Jeremy Grant on this board. Part of this group. Kyle Kuzma,

910
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:33,959
Speaker 1: who declined his thirteen million dollar player option. He wants

911
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 1: some more money. Harrison Barnes there with Sacramento. He's a

912
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 1: free agent. Bruce Brown, he declined the six point eight

913
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 1: million dollar player option. Is he gonna stay in Denver

914
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:45,319
Speaker 1: try and run it back or is he gonna try

915
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 1: and get a payday? And Kelly Oubridge Junior. Is he

916
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 1: a forward? Is he a guard? He's both scores over

917
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:55,840
Speaker 1: twenty a game. Hilarious, But yeah, Grant, Kuzma, Barnes, Brown,

918
00:45:56,480 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 1: Kelly Ubridge Junior. Who who intrigues you from this list?

919
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 2: Well, Jamie Grant's going back to Portland. I imagine. Yeah,

920
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:07,439
Speaker 2: these reports. Now. Damian Lillard came back from his business trip.

921
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 2: I like what it's called the business. Business vacation is

922
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,720
Speaker 2: what it was called in Paris, Oh, it was business vacation.

923
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,359
Speaker 2: He came back and he met with the Blazer's front

924
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 2: office yes yesterday, yesterday Monday, and they said, we're still

925
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:24,280
Speaker 2: going to work to build around you, and it feels

926
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 2: like we're just gonna hear about this in a week

927
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:29,240
Speaker 2: after the Blazers make some moves in free agency. Depending

928
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 2: on what they do, maybe Dame once out if he

929
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:33,360
Speaker 2: doesn't like what's happening.

930
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:39,439
Speaker 1: Oh so you think this meeting, by all reports was Hey,

931
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 1: I'm going to give you a couple weeks here, Let's

932
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 1: see what you can do, Let's see who can bring in,

933
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 1: Let's see the moves you in the front office make,

934
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 1: and then maybe then all decide okay, here for life,

935
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 1: let's go. Or possibly, Oh that's what happened. That's all

936
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 1: you got, that's who's coming in trade me. You think

937
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 1: that's maybe where we're at here? Yeah, and took window.

938
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 2: Yes, I think so, And I think Jeremy Grant would

939
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:06,799
Speaker 2: be on his list of keeping around, and so I

940
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 2: think he comes back. Although I do think when he

941
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 2: came back from that trip in Paris where there was

942
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:16,240
Speaker 2: that Instagram live that he was on where the DJ

943
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 2: played Welcome to Miami in the background and he laughed

944
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 2: because of all the Miami rumors, I think maybe they

945
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 2: wanted to take a look at his phone when he

946
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 2: came into this Blazer's meeting and wanted to see his history.

947
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 2: Maybe he played Welcome to Miami at the right time.

948
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 2: Conspiracy here, and he just acted like, oh, I'm not

949
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 2: the DJ, but I'm sure they're checking his phone. I

950
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 2: know that that was. That was That was funny. Good move,

951
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 2: good move by the by the DJ played Welcome to

952
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 2: Miami and then something else with a Miami line in

953
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 2: it a little bit later.

954
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they're playing some old jams over there in France.

955
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:55,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's the Wayney Houston line? I'm looking at Jdjd's

956
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:57,359
Speaker 2: going to have it right on the tip of his tongue.

957
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:58,879
Speaker 2: It has something to do with I want to feel

958
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 2: the heat with somebody? Yeah, right right, yeah?

959
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 1: Anyway, has anyone created like the ultimate Damian Lillard to

960
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 1: Miami playlist on Spotify? Yet? Like all the songs with

961
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 1: heat Miami? I guess any DJ Khaled song that you

962
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 1: can think of somebody done that yet? No, sure share

963
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 1: the playlist? Yeah, sure, sure be a great summer playlist.

964
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 1: I'm sure it would be.

965
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:27,360
Speaker 2: Is Kyle Kuzma going to the heat? Just wanted to

966
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 2: transition there? No, he's not going to the heat. Where

967
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 2: is Kyle Kuzma going right, right, This is an intriguing one.

968
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 2: Declined this thirty million player option with the Wizards, But

969
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 2: who's going to pay him?

970
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 1: Yeah? I thought he was potentially before the John Collins trade.

971
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:43,799
Speaker 1: Maybe the team like the Utah Jazz would look at him.

972
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 1: But obviously that's off the board now.

973
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 2: Yep.

974
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:52,400
Speaker 1: So is it replacing Harrison Barnes and Sacramento, especially if

975
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,319
Speaker 1: they like strike out on getting Draymond Green? Is it?

976
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:58,319
Speaker 1: I guess it could be Houston, but doesn't feel like it.

977
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:00,360
Speaker 1: They're looking for like feels like they're looking for some

978
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 1: guys that can play some defense, right Ben Vley, brook Lopez,

979
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:05,959
Speaker 1: Dylan Brooks. I know we'll get to what other teams

980
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:07,840
Speaker 1: are there. I mean, he's not going to the Pistons.

981
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 1: I don't think.

982
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't. That's what's why it's intriguing. It seems

983
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 2: like the options are coming off the board.

984
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 1: So maybe he's gonna stay. Yeah, just get paid a

985
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 1: lot of money to go score a bunch of points

986
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 1: with Jordan Poole.

987
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 2: On the way. Yeah, but even the Jordan Poole acquisition

988
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 2: kind of hurts Kal Kuzma. I think in Washington, I

989
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:29,439
Speaker 2: know they have to pay somebody, So they're paying Pool

990
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 2: a lot of money. Do you also want to pay

991
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 2: Kala Kuzma a lot of money with the prospect with

992
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:36,320
Speaker 2: the idea that you're gonna trade him at some point?

993
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think his options are becoming limited

994
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 2: unless it's a King's move, which I know he fits

995
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 2: the timeline better with Fox and the bonus.

996
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 1: There's a positional need.

997
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you can get Barnes cheaper and right, what

998
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 2: are you losing with Kus? I don't know. I don't

999
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:57,880
Speaker 2: know if it really I don't know if he has

1000
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 2: many options at this point. That's it's a really intriguing one.

1001
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 1: There anyone else on that list?

1002
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, somebody's gonna be happy signing Harrison Barnes, I think

1003
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 2: just because it's gonna be cheaper. Uh yeah, I'm We're

1004
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:14,479
Speaker 2: interested to see what where Bruce Brown ends up. If

1005
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 2: Michael Malone was was right when he was excited at

1006
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:22,280
Speaker 2: the at the parade saying he's coming back, He's coming back,

1007
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:24,879
Speaker 2: maybe he signs a one year deal for six point

1008
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 2: eight and then gets paid in the twenty four to

1009
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 2: twenty five season. I guess that's possible. Would you do that?

1010
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 1: Well, he could take a little he could get like

1011
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:36,720
Speaker 1: a little bit of an increase because he's already declined.

1012
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:38,759
Speaker 2: Oh sorry, could that was the number? None of that.

1013
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, something like that, So it's not much

1014
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:44,480
Speaker 1: of an increase at all. But then with the idea

1015
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:46,279
Speaker 1: that he could sign the extension, yeah, it's possible. I

1016
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 1: think it's just really he has the he has the

1017
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 1: decision of get paid way more with some team, uh,

1018
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:53,400
Speaker 1: some other team which a lot of teams would like

1019
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 1: a player like him, and he would get like double

1020
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 1: that basically, I would think, or close to uh yeah,

1021
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 1: at least you know, around the level exception there. So

1022
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 1: let's say thirteen million, or stay in Denver and obviously

1023
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:08,399
Speaker 1: take a bit of a it's not a paycock because

1024
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 1: he'd be getting more money but obviously not getting his

1025
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:13,759
Speaker 1: probably fair market value. But to stay with a really

1026
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,360
Speaker 1: good team obviously is a fan favorite, and then to

1027
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 1: move forward with them get more money in the extension,

1028
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 1: I think it's possible. I think he just has the

1029
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:25,280
Speaker 1: ultimate decision there. Most people usually take more money. Yeah,

1030
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:29,359
Speaker 1: in all walks of life and all professions mostly.

1031
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, the King's kings are they gonna how much are

1032
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 2: they going to pay for Kyle Kuzma.

1033
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 1: If you don't like it, it sounds like, yeah, I'm

1034
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 1: just a little.

1035
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 2: Reluctant to he's not going to solve the defensive issues.

1036
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:43,959
Speaker 2: He obviously was a really good defensive player, getting down

1037
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 2: in his stance during the twenty twenty bubble as a

1038
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 2: supporting player, but I think people sort of overvalue that

1039
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 2: and say, oh, he's a chant, maybe because he's got

1040
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 2: this reputation, but this this online reputation. But he was

1041
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 2: a bench player for them, and he did he did

1042
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:02,800
Speaker 2: help out. There's no doubt you don't see Kuzma starting

1043
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:06,880
Speaker 2: lineup as you're four to help out this shoddy defense.

1044
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 2: That is exactly I mean. He'll he'll give his effort, but.

1045
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:14,799
Speaker 1: Around I don't think Kuzma is gonna be like what

1046
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 1: Wiggins blossomed into for Golden State, what Aaron Gordon sort

1047
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 1: of became in Denver. You don't think Kuzma can.

1048
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:25,800
Speaker 2: He's not a shutdown defender like like Wiggy was able

1049
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 2: to do. But yeah, maybe it's a anyone and this

1050
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:31,399
Speaker 2: would be a lesser role for him. He's not gonna

1051
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 2: take as many shots as he did in Washington. If

1052
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:36,759
Speaker 2: he's on the Sacramento Kings. So I don't know if

1053
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 2: it's happy times for either party.

1054
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 1: Just a final note on that you know list there.

1055
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 1: I think James Edwards a third great beat writer for

1056
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:48,840
Speaker 1: the Pistons at the Athletic. A lot of Pistons fans

1057
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 1: want them to make a big offer to Cam Johnson,

1058
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:53,319
Speaker 1: who's restricted. Will show to you in a second, but

1059
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 1: he wonders, and maybe they will, but he wonders if

1060
00:52:56,280 --> 00:53:00,279
Speaker 1: Harrison Barnes on a shorter deal company Detroit as that

1061
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 1: to help that squad makes a little more sense. I

1062
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 1: don't mind. I think there's something there. I know it's

1063
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:07,759
Speaker 1: not gonna it's not flashy. It's like wow, as much

1064
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 1: as Cam Johnson would be yeah, to pair with Caid

1065
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:13,840
Speaker 1: and Ivy and the Biggs and all the talent Thompson

1066
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:16,839
Speaker 1: now there, but I could see that. I could see

1067
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 1: like a Harrison Barnes coming in on not four years

1068
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 1: by any means, like a much shorter contract, still expensive,

1069
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 1: but they have some space.

1070
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:27,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw it. I saw James Edwards right. The

1071
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:31,319
Speaker 2: desired players for the Pistons top of the list. Cam

1072
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 2: Johnson fit perfectly with their timeline. Pay the man. That's

1073
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 2: a you know, Air quotes winner type guy. Then you

1074
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:41,240
Speaker 2: go down the list. Barnes, Yeah, you'd fit for sure.

1075
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:45,239
Speaker 2: I just wonder. It's like him and Boy and Bogdanovic.

1076
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:48,279
Speaker 2: They're kind of not the same type of player, but

1077
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:52,959
Speaker 2: the same part of their career, and they were almost

1078
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:55,280
Speaker 2: moving off of Boy and Bogdanovic. But you do need vets,

1079
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 2: do need some old guys in the room. So yeah,

1080
00:53:57,520 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 2: he'd help. Yeah, Yeah, I'm with you.

1081
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 1: All right, let's look at the guards. It's not that

1082
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:04,720
Speaker 1: sexy unrestricted free agents. Once we remove you know, Kyrie

1083
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:06,800
Speaker 1: and like we said, Harden who has a player option,

1084
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 1: we got D'Angelo Russell, we got Russell Westbrook, we got

1085
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:14,319
Speaker 1: Dylan Brooks. Threw on Karis Libert, and then I threw

1086
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 1: on two Heat players, you know, many more names, but

1087
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:19,440
Speaker 1: we got Max Struce and gebe Vincent who are unrestricted

1088
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 1: free agents. Talk about some decisions there from Miami. Yeah,

1089
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 1: what do you think of the guard pool when it

1090
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:26,840
Speaker 1: comes to the unrestricted free agents?

1091
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 2: The Heat just starting there, that's their starting backcourt. Yeah,

1092
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 2: that went to the NBA Finals, who were making the

1093
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:42,239
Speaker 2: minimum in both cases one point eight million each, and

1094
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:44,720
Speaker 2: they wanted to go you know, real heavy and replace

1095
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 2: those guys with Bradley Beal. When they were talking to

1096
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 2: the Washington Wizards, I think they just wait and they

1097
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:55,440
Speaker 2: don't pay Streus and they don't pay Vincent because they're waiting,

1098
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 2: probably on Damian Lillard. I think Dante DiVincenzo could be

1099
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 2: a perfect fit there as well. From the Golden State Warriors.

1100
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 2: I don't know how much they want to offer though,

1101
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:09,799
Speaker 2: if the Littar thing doesn't work out. De Vincenzo is

1102
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 2: we saw him on the board earlier. He has a

1103
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 2: player option. I imagine he says, nah, I'm not going to

1104
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:18,359
Speaker 2: take that. He kind of bet on himself last year

1105
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 2: a one year, guaranteed, guaranteed year with the Warriors and

1106
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 2: then a player option here. And he looked good with

1107
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 2: the Warriors, and he just he seems heaty. He is

1108
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:33,400
Speaker 2: a ballhawk. He shot forty percent from three. The Bucks

1109
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 2: loved him for that reason way back when, but they

1110
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 2: moved on from him. And now with Chris Paul in

1111
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:43,920
Speaker 2: Golden State, I see de Vincenzo maybe moving on there

1112
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:46,400
Speaker 2: because the playing time is just going to be somewhat limited.

1113
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:48,840
Speaker 2: I think there'll be another team that gives him a

1114
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:49,959
Speaker 2: decent amount.

1115
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 1: More like more of an opportunity.

1116
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:53,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, and when he says, and he could fill in

1117
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 2: for Max Strus if the Heat move on from Struce.

1118
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:01,720
Speaker 2: But Strews de Vincent deserve a couple paychecks for sure

1119
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:02,440
Speaker 2: for what they did.

1120
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 1: So if you were putting those two guys in order

1121
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 1: of importance, if you're Miami, Struce or Vincent, how would

1122
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 1: you go one and then two?

1123
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:12,960
Speaker 2: Super tough? It depends how they would fill out the

1124
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:16,720
Speaker 2: rest of the roster. Probably that's an easy way out. Yeah,

1125
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:22,880
Speaker 2: Probably Gabe was more instrumental. Yeah, it's tough. They're both important.

1126
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:27,280
Speaker 2: And then we get to the names like Russell westbrook Brooks, LeVert.

1127
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 1: Brooks feels like he's going to Houston. I mean, that's

1128
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:33,920
Speaker 1: been out there for a long time. It makes sense.

1129
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 1: I can just see Udoka liking that sort of type

1130
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:41,359
Speaker 1: of player, that mentality. You know, maybe there's even some

1131
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 1: similarities to how he used to play, you know that

1132
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:45,239
Speaker 1: he's got that dog in him. I just I could

1133
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:46,800
Speaker 1: see that makes sense. I don't feel like he's obviously

1134
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 1: going back to Memphis. They're like, bye, see you later.

1135
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:51,759
Speaker 1: It's all your fault for all this, So that to

1136
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:52,359
Speaker 1: me makes sense.

1137
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 2: There's a little a little market Smart there, sure that

1138
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:57,240
Speaker 2: Udoka used to have with Boston.

1139
00:56:57,360 --> 00:56:59,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, uh so I think he'll go there. But yeah,

1140
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:03,319
Speaker 1: these other ones. Dangel Russell, I have no clue. I

1141
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:08,160
Speaker 1: have no clue. Westbrook I think stays with the Clippers ultimately,

1142
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:13,799
Speaker 1: But what contract. There's get some some weird situations here

1143
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:17,160
Speaker 1: with players that were obviously very successful, uh and are

1144
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 1: still good in spurts. But yeah, I don't know.

1145
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's one list, He's still only thirty four, He's

1146
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:29,280
Speaker 2: gonna turn thirty five. They almost replaced him with Malcolm Brogden,

1147
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 2: right right, that three team deal that the Clippers said, nah,

1148
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 2: we don't like injured players were out on this, and

1149
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:39,480
Speaker 2: so Boston had to go somewhere else and they traded

1150
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 2: Marcus Smart obviously in that three and team deal to

1151
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 2: get Kristaps porzingis so yeah, I'm well, well, guys like

1152
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:49,600
Speaker 2: Russell and Westbrook sort of just latch onto somebody in

1153
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:53,440
Speaker 2: a few weeks when like the Heat have made their

1154
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:57,160
Speaker 2: sort of moves and they say, okay, uh you know,

1155
00:57:57,200 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 2: we'll we'll grab onto somebody. I mean, I don't know, cheap, yeah, cheap, Yeah,

1156
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:03,920
Speaker 2: the cheap that's what's gonna happen most likely. I think

1157
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:07,800
Speaker 2: so Russell those in a different situation from Westbrook, because

1158
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 2: you know, he's still in the prime, prime of his career,

1159
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:14,560
Speaker 2: and so I'm sure he wants to get dandy. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1160
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:15,600
Speaker 2: Russell Russell. Right.

1161
00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:16,919
Speaker 1: He keeps saying rus.

1162
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 2: Russell's yeah, dangel Russell's twenty seven in Westbrook's thirty four,

1163
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 2: So different parts of their career. D'angela Russells just made

1164
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 2: thirty mil. I'm sure he wants to get paid, but yeah,

1165
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 2: that's gonna be a he ain't getting that.

1166
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:34,960
Speaker 1: No, imagine no final board restricted free agents. We got

1167
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:38,800
Speaker 1: Cam Johnson with the Nets, Grant Williams currently of the Celtics,

1168
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:42,200
Speaker 1: a couple of Lakers there, Austin Reeves, Ruey Hachimura and

1169
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:46,440
Speaker 1: the Hornets, PJ. Washington, and I'd begrudgingly put on Miles Bridges,

1170
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:49,200
Speaker 1: who is a restricted free agent. He set out the

1171
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:52,640
Speaker 1: season after an off season domestic violence incident involving the

1172
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 1: mother of his children. He pleaded no contest to a

1173
00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:59,040
Speaker 1: felony domestic violence charge in November, faces three years of

1174
00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:01,960
Speaker 1: probation no jail time, though as part of a deal

1175
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:06,240
Speaker 1: with prosecutors. He will begin next season by serving an

1176
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:09,320
Speaker 1: additional ten game suspension. Remember that they said he already

1177
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 1: served twenty of them after missing the season. It was

1178
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 1: a thirty game suspension, so he's got ten more. But

1179
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:16,440
Speaker 1: he has a restrated free agent, so he's on this

1180
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:18,880
Speaker 1: board here. Any thoughts on any of these guys.

1181
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:25,200
Speaker 2: Cam Johnson is, like Michael Bridge is coming up in

1182
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:28,440
Speaker 2: way too many rumors. I think there was rumors that

1183
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 2: the Nets would move on for Mikel Bridges. Why the

1184
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:32,360
Speaker 2: heck would they do that? He's so good. Why the

1185
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:35,360
Speaker 2: heck would they let Cam Johnson go after getting him

1186
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:37,760
Speaker 2: in that package for Kevin Durant. He's too good.

1187
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:40,360
Speaker 1: I think the worry would be as just be too expensive.

1188
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:44,680
Speaker 1: At a certain point, if somebody just really overpays for him,

1189
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:47,440
Speaker 1: do the Nets have to go? Okay, hold on, hold on,

1190
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:50,280
Speaker 1: hold on. I mean you think he's he's twenty seven,

1191
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:52,520
Speaker 1: he's not as young like I always think of him

1192
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:54,800
Speaker 1: as like twenty four. I don't know why, but I do.

1193
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:56,960
Speaker 1: I mean, he's an older guy. Yeah, he's in his prime,

1194
00:59:57,000 --> 00:59:59,840
Speaker 1: but he's great in this league. He's like everything you want.

1195
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:03,720
Speaker 1: He plays defense, can hit three, you know, switch ability all.

1196
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:07,360
Speaker 1: This just a great sort of role player. And I

1197
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 1: guess that's the reason you get to a certain point,

1198
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:11,240
Speaker 1: as I talked about to us, where it's like, you

1199
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:15,680
Speaker 1: can't pay these role players thirty million. I don't know

1200
01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:17,240
Speaker 1: what type of offer he would get. I don't think

1201
01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:18,920
Speaker 1: he'd get that much. But is it far fetched to

1202
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:22,760
Speaker 1: think somebody throws a four to one at him. Probably not.

1203
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:27,080
Speaker 2: I'm with you, I'm with you. I just think in

1204
01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:32,400
Speaker 2: the NETS situation, yeah, I guess because they have some

1205
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:38,720
Speaker 2: players that they're paying, like Ben Simmons and Spencer Dinwiddie,

1206
01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:42,760
Speaker 2: that they're at a point here where maybe.

1207
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:44,120
Speaker 1: You're right, right, but just get squeezed.

1208
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:47,000
Speaker 2: But you got to think long term here. Those guy

1209
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:50,200
Speaker 2: Spencer dinwiddy comes off the books, Harris comes off the

1210
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:53,080
Speaker 2: books after one more year. There's rumors that they could

1211
01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:54,880
Speaker 2: be trading Dori and Finny Smith for a team that

1212
01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:59,840
Speaker 2: wants a three and D type guy. But I would say,

1213
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:03,480
Speaker 2: you signed Cam Johnson now, and yeah, you kind of

1214
01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:06,200
Speaker 2: get hit this coming season, but the money gets easier.

1215
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:08,640
Speaker 2: You stick with this guy who, Yeah, I'm with you.

1216
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:10,960
Speaker 2: He he played in college for a long time and

1217
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:14,360
Speaker 2: came to the league pretty old. I think he's a

1218
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:18,520
Speaker 2: five is he a five year college guy? But he's

1219
01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:19,600
Speaker 2: too good to let go?

1220
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:21,919
Speaker 1: Right, So you think the nets would match on him?

1221
01:01:22,040 --> 01:01:22,440
Speaker 2: I think so.

1222
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:24,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you're right. And I think it's going

1223
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:26,720
Speaker 1: to shock people how much he gets because I think

1224
01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:29,400
Speaker 1: a team should be aggressive with him. Again, he is

1225
01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:32,280
Speaker 1: a sharp shooting wing player that plays defense, runs the floor.

1226
01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:34,760
Speaker 1: That's a commodity in today's.

1227
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:37,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, but who's gonna who's gonna pay for this? Guy?

1228
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:39,680
Speaker 1: Said? The Pistons is a possibility.

1229
01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:41,680
Speaker 2: There, Yeah, that they he would basically take up all

1230
01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:45,560
Speaker 2: their cap with the Pacers, I mean he would, he

1231
01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:48,680
Speaker 2: would fit well there, they've got room. So yeah, you're right,

1232
01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:49,920
Speaker 2: somebody's gonna throw some bucks out.

1233
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:52,360
Speaker 1: Well, the nets match, and any other thoughts on any

1234
01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:52,919
Speaker 1: of those other guys.

1235
01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:59,080
Speaker 2: There's the Kings. I suppose that'd be a good fitny

1236
01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:02,600
Speaker 2: bit undersize for their power forward spot. But ye do

1237
01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:05,640
Speaker 2: it any of those other guys.

1238
01:02:06,040 --> 01:02:09,440
Speaker 1: I think the Lakers retain their services of Austin Reeves.

1239
01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:14,640
Speaker 2: And Ruy Hatch Murra Austin Reeves one percent, Ruy. I'm

1240
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:17,040
Speaker 2: looking forward to seeing what that contract. Yeah, he played

1241
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:21,040
Speaker 2: played great in the postseason. But if you're paying him

1242
01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:24,880
Speaker 2: and you're paying Austin Reeves, you're probably running back most

1243
01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:27,920
Speaker 2: of the same team, but you're probably getting out of

1244
01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:31,080
Speaker 2: the D'Angelo Russell contract saying goodbye, and not not not

1245
01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:35,360
Speaker 2: getting out, just not offering him a contract.

1246
01:02:35,560 --> 01:02:37,280
Speaker 1: And that money is going to go to these guys.

1247
01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:41,320
Speaker 2: In theory, yes, and they've got a team option on

1248
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:45,520
Speaker 2: Malik Beasley that I assume they won't pick up and

1249
01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:49,000
Speaker 2: hope that they can grab somebody else, So maybe they

1250
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:52,520
Speaker 2: have room. Maybe they have Really it's you know, they're

1251
01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:55,600
Speaker 2: paying a lot to Lebron and a d uh. There's

1252
01:02:55,840 --> 01:02:58,960
Speaker 2: a Bomba situation there too, But I imagine they bring

1253
01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:01,480
Speaker 2: both those guys back and Austin Reeves.

1254
01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:04,360
Speaker 1: So there it is a little NBA free agency primer.

1255
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:07,160
Speaker 1: Hopefully that helps some of you out there wrap your

1256
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:10,640
Speaker 1: heads around the player options, the unrestricted guys, restricted guys,

1257
01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:14,560
Speaker 1: and what type of movement we see. Again. I think of,

1258
01:03:14,680 --> 01:03:17,600
Speaker 1: like I almost want to say, of the top twelve guys,

1259
01:03:17,640 --> 01:03:19,920
Speaker 1: if you were to say just by talent that are

1260
01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:23,040
Speaker 1: free agents or potential free agents, when we consider like

1261
01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:27,320
Speaker 1: James Harden, I feel like only two are gonna like

1262
01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:29,720
Speaker 1: actually move like I think so many are gonna stick

1263
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:32,960
Speaker 1: with their team, and if I had to pick, it's

1264
01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:36,360
Speaker 1: it's Van Vliet. And I'm not even convinced, like you

1265
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:39,080
Speaker 1: said to us, like it feels like the Raptors are like, yeah, okay,

1266
01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:41,040
Speaker 1: we got him, We've got him for thirty million, three years,

1267
01:03:41,120 --> 01:03:43,920
Speaker 1: you know something like that. Let's start with him as

1268
01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:46,600
Speaker 1: our starting point guard. Uh so even that's a possibility

1269
01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:48,480
Speaker 1: these days. And then yeah, maybe this Kuzma, which I

1270
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:50,600
Speaker 1: mean also it's like maybe the Wizard's like, okay, well

1271
01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:53,440
Speaker 1: we got to pay somebody here. It's like we pay

1272
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:56,040
Speaker 1: Jordan Poole and we pay Gafford and that's it. So

1273
01:03:56,160 --> 01:03:57,720
Speaker 1: maybe he and and because of the rest of the

1274
01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:00,200
Speaker 1: market that maybe the other teams are more interesting and

1275
01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:03,200
Speaker 1: cheaper guys at the same position, your Barns and your

1276
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Speaker 1: Grant Williams and and so on. Then maybe what Kuzma

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Speaker 1: expects in him and his team expects. So I don't

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Speaker 1: I don't think there's gonna be a ton ton of

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Speaker 1: for interesting movement when it comes to like the bigger names.

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Speaker 1: And it's not even that sexy class.

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Speaker 2: Yeah right, yeah, trade here or there. We'll see what

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01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:23,520
Speaker 2: the Draymond Greed podcasting situation is he's got to jump

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Speaker 2: on the mic and tell us where he's going, if

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Speaker 2: he's staying or not.

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Speaker 1: Oh, you think that's how it'll break. He'll do it.

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Speaker 2: He'll do it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good point. I hadn't thought about that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think he's He was in France talking about

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Speaker 2: the content plan with Lebron. I think I think that's

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Speaker 2: what they're discussing.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's get to tweeted the night.

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Speaker 2: Tweet out the night Wow. Speaking of content tweet the night,

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Speaker 2: it started with Kelly Eco, our guy. Yeah, he relayed

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Speaker 2: a thought from New Rocket. I'm in Thompson, he said.

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Speaker 2: Thompson did that league Pass is a bit overpriced, which

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Speaker 2: a lot of people were replying and saying, I'm into that.

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Speaker 2: I get it, I get it, I get it. But

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Speaker 2: Mike Vorkanov, our guy, Yeah, at the Athletic through this

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Speaker 2: very very interesting information about League Pass into a tweet.

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Speaker 2: Fun fact written into the new CBA is that all

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Speaker 2: NBA players get NBA League Pass for free, except ten

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Speaker 2: day contracts and two way contracts.

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Speaker 1: So the guys that could actually it'd be really nice

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Speaker 1: to have it for free don't get it. The two

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Speaker 1: way guys and the ten day guys, the guys that

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Speaker 1: are not making nearly as much money as you know,

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Speaker 1: your lottery draft picks, and all these guys in the league.

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Speaker 1: But everybody gets it. That is hilarious.

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Speaker 2: That is very funny.

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Speaker 1: How many actually go through was setting it up? What's

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Speaker 1: the percentage?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Great question?

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Speaker 1: You know of the How many players are there? Three

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Speaker 1: fifty for?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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01:06:01,040 --> 01:06:03,520
Speaker 1: More for for how many of all these guys that

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01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:05,840
Speaker 1: get league pass for free through the CBA. I'm sure

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Speaker 1: they get an email or.

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Speaker 2: Something, here's your promo.

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Speaker 1: But you got to set it up? Yeah, exactly how

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Speaker 1: many actually go through setting it up? I'd love to

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Speaker 1: know the answer to that. Five fifty. I think it's low,

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Speaker 1: but who knows.

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Speaker 2: I'm going fifty. That sounds high. They probably have somebody

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Speaker 2: to do it for them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, that's fair, that's fair.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, or they care? What's leak price? That's lead past cost? Now?

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I like hundred bucks. I think it's gone down a lot.

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Speaker 1: Used to be way too expensive.

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Speaker 2: I think it's low though.

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Speaker 3: I mean, these are the biggest sickos there are, Like,

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Speaker 3: why do you think the percentage of low.

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Speaker 2: Like people who you know, he's just saying, the people

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Speaker 2: just pay for it.

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Speaker 1: Why do I think it's low that NBA players.

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Speaker 2: He's saying, why is it? Why do you think the

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Speaker 2: amount of players who use that freebie is low? Is

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Speaker 2: what he's saying. They probably just pay.

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Speaker 1: For How many? How how many other podcasts are you

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01:07:01,720 --> 01:07:04,080
Speaker 1: firing up and watching and listening to?

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01:07:04,240 --> 01:07:06,840
Speaker 2: J D's a great question.

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01:07:06,640 --> 01:07:09,000
Speaker 1: Because all you do is make podcasts. All you do

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01:07:09,040 --> 01:07:11,800
Speaker 1: twenty four to seven, think about producing podcasts. That's doing

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01:07:11,840 --> 01:07:13,680
Speaker 1: podcasts live, branking them.

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01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:15,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I.

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Speaker 1: Guess my point is, you know maybe the NBA.

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Speaker 3: Athlete, Yeah, they don't want to.

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01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:21,920
Speaker 1: So we know Lebron watches all the stuff. Kevin Durant

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Speaker 1: watched the so there are.

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Speaker 3: Definitely definitely like what I remember the players coming in saying, oh,

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Speaker 3: I know the starters. I watched the starters because I

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Speaker 3: watch NBA TV.

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01:07:32,320 --> 01:07:34,080
Speaker 1: Thought it was just on in the facility.

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01:07:34,160 --> 01:07:36,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's that too. There is that.

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Speaker 1: But Aman Thompson is a sicko uh certified sicco because

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Speaker 1: did you see the clip of him being tested on

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01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:47,240
Speaker 1: his draft lottery knowledge? Some I don't know who it was.

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01:07:47,320 --> 01:07:49,320
Speaker 1: I apologies to her who did it? This woman was

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01:07:49,400 --> 01:07:51,160
Speaker 1: asking them like with the tiny mic, and they made

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01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:52,920
Speaker 1: a short out of it, like she would give them

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Speaker 1: two players, and it was like who went higher in

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Speaker 1: the draft, just you know, random players. He was nailing it.

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Speaker 1: Some were not easy. Some were like damn he called

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Speaker 1: a tie on one of them. Oh no, they got

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Speaker 1: drafted the same position, the same number.

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Speaker 2: Right. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: See, he knows his stuff. So he just wants a

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Speaker 1: more affordable league pass.

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Speaker 2: And he pays.

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01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:13,480
Speaker 1: Now he gets one.

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Speaker 3: He now he's got he gets one.

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Speaker 2: It's great.

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Speaker 3: But you know he pays for it because he's complaining

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Speaker 3: about how or he maybe he couldn't afford it before.

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01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:23,759
Speaker 1: It's expensive. It is expensive. Now he's got it thanks

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01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:27,000
Speaker 1: to that little that little tidbit there from Mike working off.

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Speaker 2: I never heard of that, never heard of that.

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Speaker 1: Be great, Like next year, first thing, the number one

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Speaker 1: draft pick says. Somebody asked him, you excited to be

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01:08:37,479 --> 01:08:40,559
Speaker 1: going to uh, you know, Houston? No more excited for

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01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:41,240
Speaker 1: the free leak pass?

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01:08:41,280 --> 01:08:41,960
Speaker 2: Yeah? Why not?

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01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:44,800
Speaker 3: I was excited for my free New York Times.

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Speaker 1: You know, it is a cool thing. It's pretty cool

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01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:50,400
Speaker 1: of those little perks. You're like, sweet, these.

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Speaker 2: Guys are millionaires, except the ten day contracts and two.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, actually they need to they got to get the

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Speaker 1: union on that. That's got to be in the next one. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: in the next give guys.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, it's just all the details you gotta

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01:09:04,160 --> 01:09:07,320
Speaker 2: work out. So a guy like I don't know signs

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Speaker 2: a ten day in March, Oh, got to get him

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01:09:09,240 --> 01:09:12,120
Speaker 2: his promo code. Wow, it wasn't on the list in October.

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01:09:12,160 --> 01:09:14,760
Speaker 1: Well maybe with the ten day guys, you now have

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01:09:14,840 --> 01:09:17,479
Speaker 1: the ability of lead passed just by single games. So

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Speaker 1: maybe you would just throw them a couple of games. Right,

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01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:24,120
Speaker 1: here's five five free games you can watch because you're

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01:09:24,160 --> 01:09:25,360
Speaker 1: rolling here since March.

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01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:28,040
Speaker 2: There you go, hey, there's something there.

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01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:29,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll get work on that.

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01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:31,360
Speaker 2: We're guys sleeping in the facility just so they can

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Speaker 2: watch for free.

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Speaker 1: All right, good tweet of the night there from our

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01:09:37,200 --> 01:09:39,880
Speaker 1: guys Kelly Eco and Mike Borkinoff at the Athletic. You

1406
01:09:39,880 --> 01:09:41,920
Speaker 1: should get a subscription go the Athletic dot com slash

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Speaker 1: no ducks. You've gotten to the end of this month

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Speaker 1: to take advantage of that new or incredible summer sale

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Speaker 1: of a dollar a month for the entire year. A

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Speaker 1: dollar a month for the best damn writing in the

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01:09:53,960 --> 01:09:56,160
Speaker 1: NBA world at the Athletic Go to the Electic Dog,

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01:09:56,640 --> 01:09:58,599
Speaker 1: Go to the Athletic dot com slash no ducks. Sorry,

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Speaker 1: my mouth is dry. Coffee. Hold on, I'm gonna love

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01:10:02,320 --> 01:10:05,959
Speaker 1: cold coffee here? Do you drink ice coffee?

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01:10:06,920 --> 01:10:08,280
Speaker 2: I don't like it occasionally?

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01:10:08,479 --> 01:10:08,799
Speaker 1: Yeah?

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01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:10,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't like it either.

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01:10:10,800 --> 01:10:12,160
Speaker 1: Coffee should be hot.

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01:10:12,479 --> 01:10:14,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I will drink ice cold coffee. That's been

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01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:18,479
Speaker 3: sitting there. Oh that was yeah, exactly, but not And

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01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:20,840
Speaker 3: IM never ordering ice coffee and.

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Speaker 1: You're never making one, which is weird because we you know,

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Speaker 1: it's hot as balls here.

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01:10:25,560 --> 01:10:28,800
Speaker 2: Yeah that's weird. Yeah yeah, all.

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01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:31,400
Speaker 1: Right, Clipper Ross, you heard it here first, have a

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Speaker 1: great time, turn up, love you guys, awesome.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us. And it's hot as balls here.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna get crazy this weekend. Can I come over?

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01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:43,439
Speaker 1: Can I come over to your mother in law's cool

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01:10:43,479 --> 01:10:45,400
Speaker 1: this weekend because it's gonna be super.

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Speaker 2: Hoigh man, what are we talking?

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01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:49,720
Speaker 1: I have thirty eight celsius. Yeah, you see what's going

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01:10:49,720 --> 01:10:51,840
Speaker 1: on in Texas. It's like it's insanely hot right now.

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01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:55,679
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, really hot, yeah, dangerously hot. Yeah. I know, yeah,

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Speaker 2: be

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Speaker 1: Careful out there, Brace to day people.