1 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 1: Hey, and welcome to the short Stuff. I'm Josh, and 2 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:08,559 Speaker 1: there's Chuck and there's Dave and this is short stuff. 3 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 1: So getty up, partner, or else Calamity James gonna shoot 4 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:16,119 Speaker 1: you in the foot. Did you watch Deadwood? No? I 5 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 1: tried to, and I was like, I don't have the 6 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:22,479 Speaker 1: emotional investment for this. Okay. Uh. Calamity Jane was one 7 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: of the great characters on the TV show Deadwood, great 8 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 1: character of the Old West. And this is a tough 9 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 1: one to research because when you're researching some of these 10 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 1: people from this era of the Old West, you start 11 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:40,480 Speaker 1: to realize, and historians admit as much that it's hard 12 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 1: to get to the real truth because nobody really knows. 13 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: A lot of the information we have on these characters 14 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 1: from back then are very much written by people who 15 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: wrote their bios for the Wild West shows they did, 16 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 1: which were obviously going to be changed and pumped up, 17 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 1: and it's just hard to get the real story. Um. 18 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 1: But Calamity Jane is worth talking about in so far 19 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 1: as how much we know about her. Yeah, and she 20 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:08,839 Speaker 1: actually wrote an autobiography which apparently was even more pumped 21 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 1: up and full of it than in the dime store 22 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 1: novels that were written about her. But the point of 23 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:17,559 Speaker 1: that is that she was a legend in her own time, 24 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 1: quite quite honestly, in actuality. I'm not going to use 25 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:26,319 Speaker 1: the L word. Um, but she was born Mary Jane Canary, 26 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: which is a great name in and of itself, but 27 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 1: she does have one of the all time great nicknames, 28 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 1: Calamity Jane or Calamity Jane, depending on where you come from. Uh. 29 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 1: And I'll go ahead and spoil this is interesting. You 30 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 1: said the L word because that was a showtime show 31 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 1: I believe about gay women, and it is very possible 32 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 1: that Calamity Jane was a gay women at a time 33 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 1: where you could not live as such. Uh. There is 34 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 1: speculation about that, and we'll kind of get to that 35 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 1: here and there through the thing. But I read a 36 00:01:56,640 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 1: few articles that said, yeah, Calamity Jane was we gay, 37 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 1: and then the nineteen sixties she became a bit of 38 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 1: a gay icon in some circles. Uh. And very yeah, 39 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:10,800 Speaker 1: I didn't know that. Yeah, it's very interesting. So yeah, 40 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 1: born uh Martha Jane Canary in Princeton, Missouri, and her 41 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 1: family went to I mean back in the Old West, 42 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 1: people traveled around a lot, So we're not going to 43 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 1: mention every time she moved this article, does it? Does? 44 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:29,360 Speaker 1: It felt like the whole article was just like, didn't 45 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 1: you moved here? Did she moved there? Here? But they 46 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: moved around a lot, as people did back then. Her 47 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 1: family was very poor. Um she had two younger brothers 48 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 1: and three younger sisters and then um, you know, pretty 49 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 1: early on when she was a kid, she learned how 50 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 1: to shoot by hunting with a gentleman on these caravans 51 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 1: and was really good at it. And in that caravan 52 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 1: and white one wagon train in particular, where her family 53 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 1: moved from Missouri to Virginia City, Montana, she lost her mom, 54 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 1: which was the first um step in a turn for 55 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: the worst for an already hard childhood. She had UM 56 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 1: and by the time they got to um Montana, I 57 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 1: think her and her her mother died. Her father was like, 58 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:17,799 Speaker 1: let's just keep going on to Utah. And again, we're 59 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:19,639 Speaker 1: not gonna say where she moved every time. But the 60 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 1: point of it is her father died within a couple 61 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 1: of years of her mom. So she loses her mom 62 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 1: and she's maybe nine or ten, and then her dad 63 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:30,360 Speaker 1: dies when she's twelve or thirteen, and all of a sudden, 64 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: she's the oldest of five siblings. Um or maybe she 65 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 1: I think she actually had five additional siblings. So she's 66 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 1: the oldest of six children, and she's in charge now. 67 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 1: She's at age thirteen, now charged with keeping her younger 68 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: siblings alive and clothed and fed, and is basically cast 69 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 1: into the Old West in this role. And this wasn't 70 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 1: a place where you could, you know, go to social 71 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 1: services or the local church or something like that and 72 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 1: and get help. She had to figure all this out herself, 73 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 1: and as far as figure hearing it out, she definitely did. 74 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 1: And also she developed a pretty pretty pronounced taste for 75 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 1: whiskey starting around that time too. From what I understand, Yeah, 76 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 1: like throw out what you think about Deadwood and these 77 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 1: great old stories, like it really needed to hit home 78 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 1: that this is a twelve or thirteen year old young 79 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 1: girl who is literally on her own with five younger 80 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 1: siblings in her care. And she didn't just blow them 81 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 1: off and leave like she was. She had to figure 82 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 1: this out and worked as a nurse, and worked as 83 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:37,479 Speaker 1: a dishwasher by all accounts, worked as a sex worker 84 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: when she needed to. And this whole time. Like you said, 85 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 1: she started to drink a little bit. Uh, she was 86 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 1: sort of rough housing with the older men in the 87 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:49,600 Speaker 1: in the towns where she lived, shooting up things, and 88 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 1: like we said earlier, it was a really good shot. 89 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 1: And like her legend kind of started to grow. So 90 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 1: she started taking on additional jobs, especially with the military 91 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 1: as a career as a writer. As a scout UM, 92 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:05,040 Speaker 1: I guess got a lot of work with them, including 93 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 1: working with UM with General Custer Um. But it wasn't 94 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 1: until she started to she So she first moved to 95 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 1: Deadwood as an orphan thirteen year old in charge of 96 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:19,239 Speaker 1: her siblings, and then moved away, and then she moved 97 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:22,719 Speaker 1: back about a decade later. In that time, she became 98 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 1: friendly with wild Bill Hickock, and from what I understand, 99 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: it was about there that her her status as a 100 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 1: legend really kind of was born just by association with him, 101 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:36,839 Speaker 1: or standing in the same spotlight as him. She deserved 102 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 1: the spotlight herself, but it was his spotlight that she 103 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 1: was initially introduced to the world of like dime store novels. 104 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 1: Back East. Correct and let's take a break, it's a 105 00:05:46,640 --> 00:06:16,040 Speaker 1: perfect place to start, right As her legend is growing. So, uh, 106 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:20,279 Speaker 1: we're back, and let's see calamity. Jane meets while Bill Hickock. 107 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 1: They fall in love and settle down and have a 108 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 1: family and live happily ever after, I believe, And that 109 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:29,599 Speaker 1: was it. No, but they were really really close. Everything 110 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:32,480 Speaker 1: I read really stressed the importance of their friendship over 111 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 1: the years and how he really took her under his wing. 112 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:38,720 Speaker 1: And then when I started reading articles about whether or 113 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 1: not she was gay and in a situation where she 114 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:43,719 Speaker 1: was not allowed to live that way, and you know, 115 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 1: speculation abounds because of things like she dressed like a 116 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 1: man and she hung out with the men, and she 117 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 1: never had any boyfriends. Uh, there is Uh, there are 118 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 1: stories of her getting married later in life and having 119 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 1: a child. But I also saw some marty calls that 120 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 1: call that into question, saying that maybe that didn't even happen. Well, 121 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:07,600 Speaker 1: there's no certificates anywhere on record, um. But it made 122 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 1: me wonder about while Bill Hillcock Hickock, and if he 123 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 1: was um, maybe knew the deal and was sympathetic to 124 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 1: what was going on. So he was her beard. Well 125 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 1: I don't not beard because he didn't act as her 126 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 1: boyfriend or anything. But just maybe sympathetic to her. I mean, 127 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 1: that's what I cooked up in my head. At least 128 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 1: I got you I had seen there. There are plenty 129 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 1: of um articles that put the two together romantically. UM. 130 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 1: Some say that she she yeah, she was into him 131 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 1: and he wasn't into her. UM. And it really kind 132 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 1: of demonstrates like just how hard it is to pin 133 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: down fact from fiction in her story in particular. But 134 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 1: the it is it is factual that she and Bill 135 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 1: Hiccock were close friends at the very least in Deadwood, UM, 136 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 1: and that she was there when he was murdered in 137 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 1: August of eighteen seventy six, when he was shot in 138 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 1: the back of the head by Jack McCall at point 139 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 1: blank range, while while Bill was um at a at 140 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 1: a gambling table in a saloon in Deadwood. Yeah, which 141 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 1: was very tough on her obviously. UM. So she left 142 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 1: Deadwood pretty shortly after that and then again spent you know, 143 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 1: the next Uh it seems like ten or fifteen years 144 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 1: really traveling all over the place. She never stayed in 145 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 1: one place for long. I think in the early eighteen 146 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 1: eighties she bought a ranch on the Yellowstone River, but 147 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:33,200 Speaker 1: only stayed there for about a year. I went to 148 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:36,560 Speaker 1: California only stayed there about a year. Eventually went to 149 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 1: Texas and this is where she supposedly married Clinton Burke 150 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 1: in El Paso, and then they went back to Colorado 151 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 1: and ran a hotel as a family. But again I 152 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:50,319 Speaker 1: saw that called into speculation. Yes, supposedly there are um 153 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 1: corroborating accounts of witnesses seeing her with a young child 154 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 1: in some of these places, so it is possible she 155 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 1: did have a daughter, um. But again there's no birth 156 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 1: certificates or anything anywhere. Apparently some woman came forward in 157 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 1: the fifties or sixties and claimed to be wild Bill 158 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 1: Hiccock and Calamity Jane's daughter, but was was exposed as 159 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:19,680 Speaker 1: a fraud later. Yeah, no, that was disappointing. I thought 160 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:21,959 Speaker 1: so too. Right there at the end, the legs out 161 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 1: from under it, you know. Eventually close to nineteen hundred, Uh, 162 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 1: she said, hey, you know what I can do really 163 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 1: good is shoot a gun. And there's this guy out here, 164 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 1: like she really crossed paths with all the biggies of 165 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:39,080 Speaker 1: the Old West. She hooked up with Buffalo Bill and 166 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:42,680 Speaker 1: his famous Wild West show, and she was a sharpshooter 167 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 1: for that show, and she didn't do that for very 168 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 1: long because that taste for whiskey she developed as a teenager. Um, 169 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 1: I I saw more that she would go on big 170 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:57,960 Speaker 1: binges and it wasn't so much a like steady alcoholism, 171 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 1: but she couldn't help but go into these big drinking 172 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:03,080 Speaker 1: binges that cost her these jobs time and time again 173 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 1: over the years. Do you know how much of a 174 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 1: drinking problem you would have to have to get fired 175 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:12,680 Speaker 1: from the Little Bill's wild West Show for drinking? Seriously? 176 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 1: I can't imagine, because they could work that into the 177 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 1: show for a while. Yeah, she just shoots wildly into 178 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 1: the air, looking everybody exactly duck. Uh. Yeah, I imagine 179 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:27,960 Speaker 1: it was pretty severe, which is very sad actually. Uh 180 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 1: you know, you can make jokes about like her being 181 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 1: drunk at a wild West show, but it seriously disrupted 182 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 1: her life, Yeah, for sure, because not only did she 183 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 1: lose that job, she also was later hired on at 184 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 1: the Pan American Exposition I think in nine o one 185 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 1: and lost that job supposedly for the same the same things. 186 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 1: So she was like she was definitely a hard drinking 187 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 1: person for sure. Um. And it also kind of makes 188 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 1: it even sider when you realize that she went and 189 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 1: got those jobs to help support her family. Uh, if 190 00:10:57,880 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: she in fact did have a family. But even if 191 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:02,319 Speaker 1: you didn't, it's still I mean, losing a job because 192 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:05,559 Speaker 1: you do you drink too much? As a little sad Yeah, 193 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:08,199 Speaker 1: for sure. Um. As far as the name Calamity Jane, 194 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 1: there are a bunch of stories on where she got 195 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 1: this name. I thought we may as well read her 196 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 1: own account, even though her book is not completely to 197 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 1: be trusted. But she was talking about a campaign she 198 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:23,840 Speaker 1: was on, and she said it was on Goose Creek, Wyoming, 199 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:26,840 Speaker 1: where the town of Sheridan is now located. Captain Egan 200 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 1: was in command of the post and we were ordered 201 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 1: to quell and uprising of the Indians. And we're out 202 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 1: for several days. Ah, and I'm making the shorter What 203 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 1: do you call that abbreviating? I'm abbreviating this Uh when 204 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 1: it's returning to the post. We were ambushed about a 205 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:44,080 Speaker 1: mile and a half from our destination. We were fired 206 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 1: upon and Captain Egan was shot. I was writing in 207 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 1: advance on hearing the firing and turned in my saddle 208 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:51,839 Speaker 1: and saw the Captain reeling in his saddle and about 209 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 1: to fall. I turned my horse and galloped back with 210 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:56,679 Speaker 1: all haste to aside and got there in time to 211 00:11:56,720 --> 00:12:00,079 Speaker 1: catch him while he was falling. Uh, captain e and 212 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 1: on recovering laughingly said, I name you Calamity Jane, the 213 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 1: heroine of the planes. Very nice. That sounds totally made up, 214 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 1: by the way. Yeah, yeah, that's a quite a story. 215 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 1: But again, like a lot of other stuff in her 216 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 1: orbit is questionable. For sure, she definitely was called Calamity Jane. 217 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 1: It just seems to have been lost to time. And again, 218 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 1: what we hope is not lost is this was a 219 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:28,200 Speaker 1: young girl who made her way in the West, who 220 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 1: lived against all odds and supported herself and her her 221 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 1: younger siblings against all odds. Yeah, which is worth celebrating 222 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:41,320 Speaker 1: in and of itself. Right. Well, that's it for Calamity 223 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:44,599 Speaker 1: Jane and everybody. That's it for short stuff. 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