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Speaker 2: Well, hi everybody, welcome back, good thirty thirty five minute

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Speaker 2: podcast today with former NFL scout John Middlecoff, one of

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Speaker 2: be back. The Herd Podcast, brought to you by Netflix.

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Speaker 2: Let's start with the story of the day Joe Burrow

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Speaker 2: pulled up rolling out right non contact injury at Cincinnati

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Speaker 2: Bengals camp today and the result is talk about a

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Speaker 2: thank God, a calf injury, a calf strain. So Joe

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Speaker 2: Burrow and I now have one thing in common in

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Speaker 2: our life. Two I was a quarterback awful he's a

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Speaker 2: great one, and we both had a calf strain briefly painful,

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Speaker 2: more annoying. The biggest concern with calf strains is often

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Speaker 2: you think it's solved, you think it's healed, you rush back.

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Speaker 2: But I think it happens. I don't know if dehydration

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Speaker 2: is a part of it, but in the Midwest and

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Speaker 2: during training camps, it is unbelievably hot, and we know

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Speaker 2: what's going on with climate change in America. This is

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Speaker 2: The good news is a calf strain keeps you mostly

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Speaker 2: would have not only changed the Bengals, but the division,

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Speaker 2: the conference in the National Football League. Burrow, who we

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Speaker 2: had on this podcast network last year as a guest

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Speaker 2: for about fifteen sixteen podcast interviews. Coming out of college,

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Speaker 2: I thought he was going to be a better version

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Speaker 2: of Tony Romo. Good arm, not great, good mobility, not

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Speaker 2: a blazer, a gamer, throw a few picks, but willing

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Speaker 2: version of Tony Romo, much better. But Romo was always

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Speaker 2: underappreciated because he's a cowboy quarterback. We tend to beat

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Speaker 2: up on cowboy quarterbacks more than any other franchise what

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Speaker 2: Burrows really become and he's done it without camps. Remember

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Speaker 2: the pandemic was his first camp. Then he had an injury,

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Speaker 2: then there was appendectomy surgery, so he missed last year's camp.

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Speaker 2: Now he's going to miss this year's camp. So he's

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Speaker 2: never really had a full camp in four years in

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Speaker 2: the NFL. Nonetheless, I think what he's become is, along

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Speaker 2: with Patrick Mahomes, the best situational quarterback in the league

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Speaker 2: is that. I think Josh Allen's bigger, stronger, with a

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Speaker 2: situational football, Josh can uncork some wild throws. I don't

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Speaker 2: it's the ability in big spot trailing late, everybody knows

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Speaker 2: it Travis Kelcey for Mahomes or Jamar Chase t Higgins

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Speaker 2: to be fine. I was talking about this to day

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Speaker 2: enormous wealth and attention and fame heaped on young athletes

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Speaker 2: and all sports, but we don't have a single quarterback

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Speaker 2: right now. I'm talking the big namers, the stars, the

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Speaker 2: franchise guys, Lamar, Jalen, Mahomes, Burrow, Herbert, Trevor Lawrence. We

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Speaker 2: don't have a pain in the ass. We got very

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Speaker 2: nice guys leaders often dads as coaches or a strong

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Speaker 2: these franchises that are mature beyond their years. I mean,

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Speaker 2: it's pretty legendary that Justin Herbert is constantly seeking ways

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Speaker 2: Burrows the same way we had him on fifteen podcasts.

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Speaker 2: He wasn't scripted, but you could tell he was the

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Speaker 2: you a guy like Stan Cronkey can do for the Rams,

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Speaker 2: the league. The data is clear. If you're a top

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Speaker 2: I started my show today talking about Sean Payton. You

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Speaker 2: How shocked were you that Peyton said that's one of

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Speaker 1: Yeah? To me, that's the biggest headline. I was actually

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Speaker 1: at Sean Payton's history, he's a parcels guy.

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Speaker 1: Back in the day, coaches, I would say, like in

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Speaker 1: two years maybe three, but retired the retirement conversation. He's

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Speaker 1: all in on these couple of years and just knows

429
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Speaker 1: that for him personally, you can look at it being

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Speaker 1: a little selfish even though he's doing the right thing.

431
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Speaker 1: He could really really change the perception of the way

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Speaker 1: we discuss him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I also think, and Mahomes gets this, is

434
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Speaker 2: that if you're a top ten quarterback ever, and if

435
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Speaker 2: he went to New York and had great success, he

436
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Speaker 2: probably he squeezes into that top ten ever because I

437
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:28,080
Speaker 2: think that you know that top ten comes down to

438
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Speaker 2: Super Bowls production. I mean, some old guys are in it,

439
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:34,960
Speaker 2: Bradshaw because of the Super Bowls, but it's a different time.

440
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:38,919
Speaker 2: Montana's obviously in it, Brady's in it, Peyton, Manning's in it, Elway,

441
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Speaker 2: Marino Breeze. It's a crowded space. Mahomes is now absolutely

442
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Speaker 2: in it.

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Speaker 1: For sure.

444
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Speaker 2: It's getting to be a crowded space if you're a

445
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Speaker 2: top ten quarterback ever, And I think Mahomes sees this.

446
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:52,960
Speaker 2: There's a lot of money post football. There's a lot

447
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:57,880
Speaker 2: of fame. I mean, Farre's career is not I mean,

448
00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:02,119
Speaker 2: Brett's a bit of a punch line. Things have gotten

449
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:08,679
Speaker 2: ugly in Mississippi regarding some charity and his involvement, like

450
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:12,720
Speaker 2: it didn't end well. There was the controversy with the

451
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Speaker 2: Jets of that terrible interception. As a member of the

452
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 2: Vikings in his last couple of years in Green Bay,

453
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Speaker 2: he was difficult. Like I look at how and I

454
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:24,680
Speaker 2: think about this all the time in my career. It's

455
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:28,080
Speaker 2: hard to end. Like Johnny Carson last week on the air,

456
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Speaker 2: You're great, last great show. Bye, I'm going to play tennis.

457
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:34,640
Speaker 2: That is so rare. It's like it's choppy for everybody.

458
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 2: It was choppy for Michael Jordan, it's choppy for Tiger Now.

459
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 2: I do think Aaron three years in New York, a

460
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Speaker 2: couple of AFC Championship appearances, win or lose, I think

461
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Speaker 2: we look at him different. I think it keeps him

462
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Speaker 2: in the top ten all time. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I remember texting with Richard Sherman when he was on

464
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Speaker 1: the forty nine ers, and he remember he played a

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Speaker 1: role in negotiating the latest CBA and there were so

466
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Speaker 1: many areas with the owners were fighting, And one thing

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Speaker 1: I remember him telling me is you don't really make

468
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Speaker 1: any money for playoff games, right, Everyone on the team

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Speaker 1: in a playoff game, Drew Brees or Tom Brady makes

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Speaker 1: the same as the fifty third guy. I was like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's kind of crazy when you think about it, but

472
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Speaker 1: if you have success in the playoffs. Travis Kelsey talked

473
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Speaker 1: about this a couple of weeks ago, saying he was underpaid.

474
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Speaker 1: His marketability the rest of his life has changed because

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Speaker 1: we view him as a winner, as a great player.

476
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Speaker 1: Look at Draymond right, could have got more money, knows

477
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Speaker 1: where his bread's buttered, and he, for the rest of

478
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Speaker 1: his life will be viewed as one of the great winners.

479
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Speaker 1: And that's how we talk about these sports. James Harden

480
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 1: is going to have all this money, but once his

481
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Speaker 1: career is over, no one's going to care. Not a soul, right,

482
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Speaker 1: So he Darryl Morriy. So Aaron does this. He did

483
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 1: everything he could possibly do in Green Bay, and it

484
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Speaker 1: was clearly going down the wrong road. I think it

485
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Speaker 1: would be disproportionate how much credit he'll get if let's

486
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Speaker 1: just say this year they are in the AFC Championship

487
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Speaker 1: game relative to the coordinator, relative to the head coach,

488
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Speaker 1: relative to anyone in that organization. Besides maybe like a

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Speaker 1: Garrett Wilson, if he becomes a star, Aaron will get

490
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Speaker 1: of the pipe chart. I would say like eighty five percent,

491
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Speaker 1: especially now with the pay cut. And I also think

492
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Speaker 1: pay cuts I heard you talking on your show earlier today.

493
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Speaker 1: I don't care how rich a guy is. It's rare

494
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Speaker 1: to just most humans do not give money back. But

495
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 1: you're talking a level like Aaron's worth hundreds of millions

496
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Speaker 1: of dollars just on the field, let alone what he's

497
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Speaker 1: made off the field. It's not ultimately as crazy to

498
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Speaker 1: his lifestyle. But I do think it sets the tone

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Speaker 1: in the organization. It really is a Tom Brady like

500
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:36,160
Speaker 1: MoU It's something Tom would have done. Tom did it right,

501
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Speaker 1: and I think it kind of sets the tone for

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Speaker 1: the organization. It makes it Robert solids job easier, especially

503
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Speaker 1: if they can coach him hard. If he's being more

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Speaker 1: relatable to younger players, like you said, which has been

505
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Speaker 1: something that's been a bugaboo in Green Bay. He just

506
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:51,440
Speaker 1: wouldn't work with him. It was nowhere to be found.

507
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Speaker 1: He was around in the off season. He can say

508
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Speaker 1: it's overrated all he wants, but it clearly matters.

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Speaker 2: So I wanted to talk briefly because you and I

525
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:27,120
Speaker 2: grew up with a lot of Pac twelve football. Colorado

526
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 2: announced they'll be leaving in twoenty twenty four, back to

527
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Speaker 2: the Big twelve. USC and UCLA are leaving the conference.

528
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Speaker 2: The PAC twelve is eroding quickly. The Big twelve currently

529
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Speaker 2: has a better TV deal than the Big PAC twelve does,

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Speaker 2: and that's a big part of it. You get guaranteed payouts.

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Speaker 2: I thought the misstep by the PAC twelve still searching

532
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Speaker 2: for a partner. I thought the real misstep. If I

533
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 2: would have been the PAC twelve commissioner a year ago,

534
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Speaker 2: I would have gone to Apple and said, listen, we

535
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Speaker 2: know if we put them on as streaming service, we're

536
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 2: not going to have the size of audience. But we

537
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 2: have so many of our graduates at our school Stanford, Washington,

538
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 2: cal USC UCLA, so many Apple employees probably went to

539
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Speaker 2: PACK twelve schools. We feel like you represent our values

540
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 2: and our vision. I would have gone to Apple and said,

541
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Speaker 2: you know, we'll sign a contract with you. We can

542
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 2: still have games Notre Dame, USC, Washington, Michigan, Oregon, Oklahoma.

543
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 2: We can still play games out of conference for schools

544
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 2: to make money aligning with other big name schools. But

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00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 2: I would have gone because I think Apples a progressive company.

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Speaker 2: I think the PAC twelve's always been sort of a

547
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 2: leader in offenses. Chip Kelly's sort of changed the way

548
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 2: offenses maneuvered in college, briefly in pro but back to college,

549
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 2: and I think they got a little precious. And I

550
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 2: told my PAC twelve friends this for years. There's too

551
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 2: much to do in Seattle there's too much to do

552
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 2: in the fall in Los Angeles, in San Francisco and Phoenix.

553
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 2: We're not Starksville, Mississippi. We're not Lubbock, Texas. We're not

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Speaker 2: you know, Madison, Wisconsin, which is a fun city.

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Speaker 1: Athens, Georgia. I mean, you can name off all of

556
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Speaker 1: that time.

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00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 2: We have pro sports in a lot of our Pac

558
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 2: twelve cities. We have perfect summer and fall weather. The

559
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 2: bottom line is our stadiums aren't full. We don't care

560
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Speaker 2: as much, and that's okay. We could have taken advantage

561
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 2: of the one thing the West has the Midwest and

562
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 2: South doesn't. Tech juggernauts and I would have aligned myself

563
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 2: as a commissioner with an Apple and just said, we

564
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Speaker 2: don't care if we get lost in streaming. Your vision

565
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 2: is how we view US academic progressive, sort of left leaning.

566
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Speaker 2: They didn't do it. They've been a little finicky, and

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Speaker 2: I think they're in danger of the conference dissolving. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think it's and I think it unofficially died years ago.

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Speaker 1: The West Coast college football has never had anything in

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Speaker 1: common with the SEC. Stanford, for that, Harbaugh and then

571
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 1: into David Shaw was constantly a top eight program in

572
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Speaker 1: the country. I mean sometimes top three or four, and

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00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 1: they'd get struggled to get ten thousand people. And you

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Speaker 1: can't be like, well, no one in northern cares. No

575
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 1: one in Northern California cares about football. The forty nine

576
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 1: was one of the biggest brands, you know, so people

577
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Speaker 1: love football in California pro football. But I think three,

578
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 1: four or five years ago under Larry Scott, it just

579
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 1: felt like they didn't care. Now Oregon cared, usc in

580
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 1: theory cared, some of the programs carred, but as a whole,

581
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Speaker 1: as a partnership, it never felt like the Big ten,

582
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Speaker 1: which I would say academically is pretty forward thing. I mean,

583
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Speaker 1: they got powerhouse programs.

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Speaker 2: Michigan has a great academics conference.

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Speaker 1: It never felt like sports wasn't a major priority as

586
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 1: a whole, right, and they and they just kept they

587
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 1: viewed themselves as an equal to the SEC, even at

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00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 1: times when they weren't. And they thought like that in

589
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 1: the Pac twelve under Larry and it's not all his fault.

590
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 1: The presidents just did not and they got lapped. And

591
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 1: now Lewis Hamilton is not in there, they can't catch up.

592
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 1: There's too much money, that everything's changed. You could all

593
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 1: argue Colorado whatever, go back to the Big twelve, like

594
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Speaker 1: that's not the end of the world. But the moment

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Speaker 1: usc and it wasn't just that day they left. Clearly

596
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 1: they had realized this is not going to work. What

597
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 1: does Oregon and Washington do though, because you know, Oregon

598
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 1: truly cares. They just gave their coach a raise, which

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00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 1: I would imagine part of that is like, hey man,

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Speaker 1: we would stay here for a little bit, We'll figure

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Speaker 1: this out. Is it inevitable that because my theory is

602
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 1: that we're just going to head to AFC, NFC, Big ten,

603
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 1: SEC some semblance of that, where it's just basically two

604
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 1: huge conferences and then they both meet up in the

605
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 1: playoffs twelve fourteen teams or whatever like the NFL. It

606
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 1: feels like where we're headed. I know the Big twelve

607
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 1: is creating this, but don't they end up just bleeding

608
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 1: with some of the top ACC teams? Is the major

609
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 1: Power five is just in two separate conferences all most

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Speaker 1: like the National Football League.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think Washington and Oregon could eventually be invited

612
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 2: to the Big Ten. They will not get a full

613
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 2: television share they'll probably get half a share, which is

614
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 2: still more than the PAC twelve would have paid them.

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00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 2: I think they want in now, and I think the

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00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 2: Big ten is weighing the options. And do they need

617
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 2: Washington and Oregon. They're not vibrant recruiting areas. Seattle's a

618
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Speaker 2: big market, Oregon's got great branding. I think Washington and

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Speaker 2: Oregon do have large loyal followings. They sell out their

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Speaker 2: home games. Both have been in national championship games Huskies

621
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Speaker 2: have won, so I think they have value.

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Speaker 1: Both are really good right now, you know, top fifteen

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Speaker 1: twenty programs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's a bummer, but you know, for years

625
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 2: and years when I my loyalty to the West Coast,

626
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 2: I've told my friends, guys, I've been to SEC stadiums,

627
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 2: I've been to the Big ten. There's less to do

628
00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 2: in those small geographical footprints. And I'm sorry Madison, Wisconsin

629
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 2: and ann Arbor, Michigan and Columbus Ohio. They care more

630
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 2: than San Francisco in LA What do you want me

631
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 2: to say? They simply care more. And when USC and

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00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:15,839
Speaker 2: UCLA jettison the PAC twelve after this year to go

633
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 2: to the Big Ten, I remember talking to former athletic

634
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:21,839
Speaker 2: director Mike Bonnet USC, and he asked me a couple

635
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 2: of years ago. He said, you know, it was right

636
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 2: after they hired Lincoln Riley, right after And I said,

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00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:32,280
Speaker 2: you know, and before the Big Ten pivot. I said,

638
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 2: if I was you, I would figure out a way

639
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 2: to get these Michigans and these Iowa's and these Nebraskas

640
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 2: and these penn States to do home and homes. I

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Speaker 2: don't care if I lose some of these games. Those

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Speaker 2: Midwest fans in October, they'll make the trek out here.

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Speaker 2: And then I swear to God. A month later, you know,

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Speaker 2: they moved, they pivoted to the Big Ten. But I

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Speaker 2: think both USC and UCLA, I don't think the weather's

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Speaker 2: that big of a deal. They got four home games

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Speaker 2: because they play each other to end the season. It'll

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Speaker 2: be fine, you know, USC and ucll going the road

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Speaker 2: four times. You know, most of those late September, October,

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Speaker 2: early November. There won't be blizzards. But I think USC

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Speaker 2: had been thinking about it for years. They were really frustrated.

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Speaker 2: They considered going independent, kind of doing a Notre Dame

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Speaker 2: a BYU for years. So I think some things are inevitable.

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Speaker 2: And I think the PAC twelve in that ultra competitive,

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Speaker 2: sort of big ten sec world, I think it was

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Speaker 2: inevitable the PAC twelve was gonna shrink exactly.

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Speaker 1: Maybe Col's destined to play UC Davis and Weaber State

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Speaker 1: and Oregon State and Washington State are destined to play

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Speaker 1: Fresno State, San Diego State and Boise State. That's tries.

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Speaker 1: Over time, things change, the cream rises, and everyone else

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Speaker 1: finds their niche. And that's Boise State has been very

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Speaker 1: successful for twenty years not being a power five. So

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Speaker 1: it's not like Washington State or Oregon State are just

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Speaker 1: going to disappear. Cal potentially could, and maybe they just

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Speaker 1: don't care that much, because I'd say they really don't.

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Speaker 2: John middle Off three and Out and Go Lo Golf podcast,

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Speaker 2: former scout with the Eagles under Andy Reid as always

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Speaker 2: my friend.

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Speaker 1: This was fun, Colin. You look good, you look refreshed.

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Speaker 1: I saw you taking some cold plunges there in.

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Speaker 2: British Columbia and they were cold.

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Speaker 1: I look cold. The volume