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Speaker 1: It is Thursday, October first, two thousand twenty, Season sixteen,
Speaker 1: episode number thirty five. Welcome to the latest edition of
Speaker 1: The Break, live from the s WBC Mortgage studios at
Speaker 1: the Star. Got Nick David Amber along and we got
Speaker 1: a forty five minutes of Cowboys talk with you guys. Today.
Speaker 1: We're gonna be joined momentarily by Bucky Brooks, as we
Speaker 1: are every Wednesday and Thursday. Today he's going to be
Speaker 1: talking about the Browns defense versus a Cowboys offense. But
Speaker 1: until he gets here, we'll start first by catching you
Speaker 1: guys up on a little injury information. Dave, why don't
Speaker 1: you tell us what Coach McCarthy had to say this
Speaker 1: morning's press conference with regards to the status of Tyrn Smith.
Speaker 1: He's back, at least that's what Mike told me. They're
Speaker 1: at practice right now, and I'm in here on the show,
Speaker 1: so I guess I don't know that for sure. But
Speaker 1: Tyron Smith was at practice yesterday. Kind of a miscommunication,
Speaker 1: I guess you want to call it. He was at practice.
Speaker 1: The plan was for him to go through individuals, but
Speaker 1: then he was listed as did not participate on the
Speaker 1: practice report. Kind of some cross wires there, because McCarthy
Speaker 1: today said, no, he did what we thought he would do.
Speaker 1: He went through individuals. But I think you have to
Speaker 1: mix into eleven on eleven to be declared even limited,
Speaker 1: I guess, but we made sure to clarify. I think
Speaker 1: McCarthy asked was asked like five questions today about Tyron status,
Speaker 1: including so he's gonna do eleven on eleven, he's gonna
Speaker 1: play real football today, and he said, yep, that's the plan.
Speaker 1: So always a good sign when somebody's practicing on a Thursday.
Speaker 1: I guess we'll see what the injury report says. But
Speaker 1: I'm feeling I'm feeling optimistic about Tyrant Smith's availability. I
Speaker 1: like your optimism, Nick, I'm sensing skepticism from you or
Speaker 1: was it no? I just laughing because I'm like he
Speaker 1: just said he got asked five times about Tyrn Smith
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking that's six more questions than he wants
Speaker 1: to talk about tyrants. I mean, and to me, and
Speaker 1: we talked about it yesterday when when when you did
Speaker 1: not practice? You know, I just look at that like
Speaker 1: you're sitting in your room, you know, watching your family
Speaker 1: feud or something like that. You know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like you didn't practice, but being out there with the
Speaker 1: uniform on and doing stuff and actually going through the drills.
Speaker 1: I mean, I just think that would be classified as limited.
Speaker 1: But think, what do I know? Yeah, I would think
Speaker 1: I yeah. And what's funny is we kind of tripped
Speaker 1: McCarthy up because he was basically like, I don't really
Speaker 1: know what the designations are, Like I all I can
Speaker 1: tell you is that he was out there doing individual stuff.
Speaker 1: And you know, he didn't really have an answer for
Speaker 1: why tyrant was classified as it did not to participate.
Speaker 1: But like I said, I assume, you know, you have
Speaker 1: to mix into the real football to be upgraded. I guess,
Speaker 1: but we'll see. We'll see what it says at about
Speaker 1: three o'clock today, I guess, But it did seem like
Speaker 1: it was it was at least the plan that he
Speaker 1: would be practicing today, and if he practices today, I
Speaker 1: think you probably feel pretty good that maybe he can
Speaker 1: play come Sunday when they have to face the Browns,
Speaker 1: particularly have to face Miles Garrett. Give me an update
Speaker 1: on de Marcus Lawrence. What do you guys know about
Speaker 1: DeMarcus Lawrence? At this point, he is still expected to
Speaker 1: be with the rehab group. He's been, you know, doing
Speaker 1: the conditioning with Britt Brown, the rehab director. Those those
Speaker 1: Neon yellow chords we're all familiar with. Um it sounds
Speaker 1: McCarthy all to say, you know, like he hasn't had
Speaker 1: a setback. I think it's just injury management at this point.
Speaker 1: I would imagine this, this might be a trend. You know,
Speaker 1: typically when you see stuff like this, it's a trend
Speaker 1: for a while until he can get get more healthy. UM.
Speaker 1: I think he'll I think he'll play. But I think
Speaker 1: this is a load management thing where they're not going
Speaker 1: to ask him to do a whole lot in the
Speaker 1: hopes that he can get some snaps on Sunday. And
Speaker 1: beyond that, I assume there's really not anything else that
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are worrying about from an injury standpoint of
Speaker 1: go get possibly play this week, and maybe he's on
Speaker 1: the board a line. There are obviously guys that are hurt,
Speaker 1: but there are no other guys that are that were
Speaker 1: really keeping a nisle. Not really. I mean sounds like
Speaker 1: Treyvon Diggs is good and he's on the report, but
Speaker 1: I think he's good to play, and you know, he
Speaker 1: needs to play, so that might affect any anything he's
Speaker 1: got going on. Anyways. Yeah, all right, let's let's go
Speaker 1: ahead and move our attention over to Cowboys offense versus
Speaker 1: Brown's defense. Like I said, we should be joined here
Speaker 1: momentarily by Bucky Brooks to talk a little bit about
Speaker 1: that Matt Show. But let's start first with a conversation
Speaker 1: that I saw kind of being had around Twitter surrounding
Speaker 1: the Cowboys offensive strategy, particular to the running game. And
Speaker 1: when you look at how the Cowboys are running, I
Speaker 1: think they're running effectively for what they're trying to do.
Speaker 1: I think Zeke's been good. I don't think this is
Speaker 1: ever there is an issue. And I saw a stat
Speaker 1: yesterday that I kind of dismissed. It was kind of stupid.
Speaker 1: But the Cowboys and the Jets are the only two
Speaker 1: teams in league that don't have a run of over
Speaker 1: fifteen yards. I really don't care Zeke is putting up
Speaker 1: the kind of production he put up the first two games.
Speaker 1: Now last week, obviously they were having some issues getting
Speaker 1: the running game going for those first two games, I
Speaker 1: felt like it was a productive running game. That all
Speaker 1: being said, do you guys buy into this concept that
Speaker 1: maybe the Cowboys need to run the ball more in
Speaker 1: order to protect their defense, because if you get into
Speaker 1: these shoot up shootouts, your defense is on the field
Speaker 1: a long time and it really exposes him. Let's start
Speaker 1: first with you Amber. I think it depends on your opponent.
Speaker 1: I guess you can buying the whole idea. And also
Speaker 1: depending on how the game is going. There are sometimes
Speaker 1: that you just want the Cowboys to go ahead and
Speaker 1: get the ball movie and get points on the board
Speaker 1: because we keep talking about the tempo and can they
Speaker 1: get into that rhythm. So I think depending on the
Speaker 1: opponent and how the game is going. Otherwise, I would
Speaker 1: like to see the Cowboys run the ball more. You
Speaker 1: seek more, because it does buy them or help them
Speaker 1: kill time a little bit more to help your defense
Speaker 1: in that way. But I would just base it on
Speaker 1: how the game is going, not as a as a
Speaker 1: specific idea to go into it every week. Nick, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's fair. I mean, like you know, it's always dictated
Speaker 1: by the game and the opponent. So but but you know,
Speaker 1: and I rode right after the game, I do believe
Speaker 1: that that there. It wasn't a complaint about the play
Speaker 1: calling to say why didn't they run more? It's more
Speaker 1: about the fact that they couldn't run is her them,
Speaker 1: you know, And it's not you can just say, well,
Speaker 1: look at all the yards. Yeah, but they needed to
Speaker 1: run the football there at the end of the game
Speaker 1: when they had the you know, they were down to
Speaker 1: they needed to get a field goal, maybe even a touchdown.
Speaker 1: They couldn't even try to run the ball. And I
Speaker 1: thought that that would have burned some time outs by Seattle.
Speaker 1: That would have burned um, you know, some more minutes
Speaker 1: off the clock. And so they do need the ability
Speaker 1: to be balanced and run it. Yes, they are moving
Speaker 1: the ball, but when it gets down to it, they
Speaker 1: still don't don't have the ability to run it. And
Speaker 1: then a lot of that is the ineffective, you know,
Speaker 1: ineffectiveness of the offensive line. I mean, they seem like
Speaker 1: they want these agile guys, you know, but not really
Speaker 1: the malers think about it. Connor Williams as a tackle
Speaker 1: in college, now he's moving to guard. He's got these
Speaker 1: quick feet and all that, but I certainly don't see
Speaker 1: it helping in the screen and you know, wide and
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. So they are missing the
Speaker 1: fact that they don't have big, strong guys that can
Speaker 1: I mean, they're big and strong, but they're not like
Speaker 1: the mall types Dave. I mean, I do. I don't
Speaker 1: necessarily disagree with any of that. I mean, fifty seven
Speaker 1: pass attempts is probably not ideal if you're trying to
Speaker 1: win football games. But I think I said this on Monday,
Speaker 1: right after the game, is like, I've seen what it
Speaker 1: looks like when they just stubbornly ram their heads into
Speaker 1: a brick wall, even when the passing game is working.
Speaker 1: And I commend them for going with what's working. And
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, to go to Nick's example of
Speaker 1: the last four minutes of the game, there's a point there,
Speaker 1: but at the same time, like you can accomplish the
Speaker 1: same goal by throwing the ball. Amari Cooper has twenty
Speaker 1: five receptions through three games, he is, you know, and
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott's completing almost seventy percent of his passes, like
Speaker 1: you can throw to run the clock and extend drives.
Speaker 1: The Cowboys took two shots at the end zone on
Speaker 1: that field goal drive. They didn't have to do that.
Speaker 1: They could have looked shorter and looked to keep the
Speaker 1: offense on the field a little bit longer. But I
Speaker 1: think Dak was probably feeling himself with with the success
Speaker 1: he was having with Mike Gallop and was just trying
Speaker 1: to go for it all. But passing the ball can
Speaker 1: keep you on the field the same way that running
Speaker 1: it can. Especially is as much successive they as they've
Speaker 1: had getting their guys open. So yes, I would like
Speaker 1: to see the run be a little bit more successful,
Speaker 1: but I commend them for adapting and not just stubbornly
Speaker 1: going for one and two yards per carry. You know.
Speaker 1: I brought it up on Monday too. Like the Viking game.
Speaker 1: The Vikings game last year, they put themselves in holes
Speaker 1: and wound up in way too many third and longs
Speaker 1: despite the fact that the pass was working, because they
Speaker 1: wouldn't go away from the runs. So I admire the
Speaker 1: fact that they changed it up to go with what
Speaker 1: was working, but maybe there are ways that they can
Speaker 1: throw the ball or run their offense to keep themselves
Speaker 1: on the field a little bit longer as well. Amber
Speaker 1: and Dave, I want to go back to something that
Speaker 1: Nick was talking about with the run, and there it
Speaker 1: sounds like Nick and correct me if I'm wrong. It
Speaker 1: sounds like you're saying you're a little bit concerned about
Speaker 1: their ability to run the ball. That being said, Amber
Speaker 1: and Dave will start with you, Amber, are you concerned
Speaker 1: about their ability to run right now? Basically looking at
Speaker 1: this last game particularly and some of the problems they have,
Speaker 1: particularly in the middle of that offensive line with being
Speaker 1: able to run the ball. I mean it is concerning
Speaker 1: because you don't have your usual offensive linemen playing the
Speaker 1: way that we're used to seeing them. So yes, when
Speaker 1: there is a change like that, it is going to
Speaker 1: affect your running game. And we know Zeke has all
Speaker 1: the power and strength to push through and get those
Speaker 1: extra yards that we always see him get, but at
Speaker 1: the same time, there's only so much you can do.
Speaker 1: And after seeing last game and the inability of them
Speaker 1: really getting Zeke going and then them being able to
Speaker 1: rely on the passing game. I do think that regardless
Speaker 1: of the situation, I do think that it's going to
Speaker 1: start improving with what they were able to get from
Speaker 1: last game. So I hope that made sense. I'm just
Speaker 1: thinking that the running game is just going to keep improving.
Speaker 1: I don't see it getting worse. Okay, Dave, what do
Speaker 1: you think? No, I'm definitely not concerned. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: way too small of a sample size. The running game
Speaker 1: look just fine in the first two weeks, including against
Speaker 1: the Rams, who have a pretty stout defensive line. Zeke
Speaker 1: average four and a half yards per carry. You get
Speaker 1: Dak involved, I mean they ran for one hundred and
Speaker 1: forty yards in that game. So no, I'm not worried
Speaker 1: about it. If I mean, if it keep you know,
Speaker 1: if that's a trend over multiple games. Sure, but one
Speaker 1: week where an opponent was able to do it and
Speaker 1: by the way, wasn't able to stop the pass, No,
Speaker 1: that doesn't bother me. All right, we're gonna go to
Speaker 1: our first break. When we come back, we're gonna be
Speaker 1: joined by Bucky Brooks. We're gonna ask him that question.
Speaker 1: He had a lot of things to say this week
Speaker 1: on Twitter regarding the Cowboys and running the ball and
Speaker 1: needing to do it more. We'll talk to him about
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Speaker 1: Break with Life in the s WBC Mortgage Studios. At
Speaker 1: the start, we got Bucky Brooks joining us from NFL Network.
Speaker 1: Welcome to show, Bucky. We appreciate you joining us today.
Speaker 1: And we're gonna start, well we normally start. I want
Speaker 1: you to walk through and we got some something we're
Speaker 1: gonna get to a little later, but I want you
Speaker 1: first start with give me your greatest strength and greatest
Speaker 1: weakness of this Brown's defense. Well, the greatest strength is
Speaker 1: right up front. Miles Garrett is obviously the guy that
Speaker 1: you have to stop. He is the focal point of
Speaker 1: their defense. He's playing at a high level. He's superman,
Speaker 1: off the edge, athletic, fast, disruptive, He's added some tools
Speaker 1: to his toolbox when it comes to being a pass rusher.
Speaker 1: He is a nightmare to have to deal with in
Speaker 1: one on one situations. But he's joined by a guy
Speaker 1: up front that you have to keep an eye on,
Speaker 1: and that's Sheldon Richardson. Sheldon Richardson is a dominant interior player,
Speaker 1: and if he has an opportunity to win against an
Speaker 1: interior player on the inside, he is going to be
Speaker 1: a problem. And so it starts up front. In the secondary,
Speaker 1: they're fine. Denzil Ward is their number one playmaker in
Speaker 1: that back end. He has the ability to snuff out
Speaker 1: and compete against number one receivers. But really it's all
Speaker 1: about their pass rush. If they are able to rast
Speaker 1: the quarterback and have success, like we've seen them have success,
Speaker 1: they can force turnovers because they want to get their
Speaker 1: eyes on the quarterback and get turnovers. I heard everything
Speaker 1: you just said and the players that you mentioned, and
Speaker 1: they have talent. But I do feel very, very comfortable
Speaker 1: this week. I feel like this game, the Cowboys are
Speaker 1: going to go in there and dominate and start scoring
Speaker 1: points everywhere and get the ball moving. So I don't know,
Speaker 1: I just want you to make me a little less comfortable.
Speaker 1: Oh man, you're very confident. I'm a little more worried.
Speaker 1: This is a scary game for me looking at it
Speaker 1: because the Browns have kind of found their identity, and
Speaker 1: their identity stems from their offense. The reason they're able
Speaker 1: to win games of late is because they've discovered the
Speaker 1: running game, and so by playing a little more conservative
Speaker 1: on offense running the ball control cloud Lemon and Baker
Speaker 1: Mayfield's past attempts, they put their defense in position to
Speaker 1: play with the lead and to play in favorable situations,
Speaker 1: and so I just worry about this being a game
Speaker 1: where the defense can't control it. So now the offense
Speaker 1: is forced to throw on situations where everyone knows that
Speaker 1: they're throwing, and then Dad allows Myles Garrett and Sheldon
Speaker 1: Richardson and those guys to really come after the quarterback.
Speaker 1: And I don't think that's the kind of game that
Speaker 1: Dallas wants to get into, despite their offense being so prolific.
Speaker 1: Dave you up. Oh shoot, I'm sorry. I thought Nick
Speaker 1: went before me. My bad, everybody. That's great, because I
Speaker 1: don't want Nick to steal mine. Steal mine, Bucky. I
Speaker 1: think before you hopped on we were talking. Nick actually
Speaker 1: was talking about the lack of power on the Cowboys
Speaker 1: offensive line, specifically on the interior. We all know about
Speaker 1: Myles Garrett. That's all well and good, but I'm curious,
Speaker 1: what did you think of Tyler Beatis when he got
Speaker 1: into that game the other day against the Seahawks, And
Speaker 1: what's he impressive enough? I'm thinking, not just Sheldon Richardson,
Speaker 1: but Larry Ogan job too. Do you worry about their
Speaker 1: power up front? And is beyondish worthy of a look
Speaker 1: to maybe help address that you know, I actually liked
Speaker 1: the reshuffle line the way that they played out when
Speaker 1: they put inside it allowed them to put Zack Martin
Speaker 1: on the outside, and I thought the edges were a
Speaker 1: little better. The problem really doesn't necessarily stand from beyondest.
Speaker 1: I think the guys who from defensive terms they would
Speaker 1: call Waldo will be Connor Williams and Joe Looney like
Speaker 1: those are the guys that are the weakest links. And
Speaker 1: so what we're seeing is when the Cowboys have problems
Speaker 1: up front, particularly inside, one of those guys are typically
Speaker 1: the culprit. So how do you protect those guys. It's
Speaker 1: tough because you want to protect the interior, but then
Speaker 1: you don't want to expose the guys on the outside.
Speaker 1: At least with Zack Martin, you kind of feel you
Speaker 1: believe that at least on that right side, we're protected.
Speaker 1: We could slide protection a little more to the left
Speaker 1: and maybe get by. But it's tough because when you're
Speaker 1: not great upfront, it really limits what you can do.
Speaker 1: We can talk about running it, throwing it or whatever,
Speaker 1: but you're very limited with what you can do with
Speaker 1: the patchwork office line that you're working with right now. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't want this to be my question, but you
Speaker 1: said it about Waldo, and I do recall Dave and
Speaker 1: Amber had a nice little Twitter exchange last year during
Speaker 1: a game. But can you explain where's Waldo and what
Speaker 1: that means in a scouting term? So where's Waldo is
Speaker 1: when you're going into the game, you try to figure
Speaker 1: out who the weakest link is and what you want
Speaker 1: to do. You want to target those players. In old
Speaker 1: school terms, in old school football, what they would do
Speaker 1: is during practice, those guys would wear the yellow jersey.
Speaker 1: A lot of times it would be secondary people or whatever,
Speaker 1: but they were wearing yellow jerseys. So everyone knew that
Speaker 1: those were the guys who were the targets. We're looking
Speaker 1: at the offensive line. Connor Williams and Joe Looney. They
Speaker 1: will wear the yellow jersey because they have had the
Speaker 1: struggles and those struggles have shown up on tape. How
Speaker 1: they play really dictates how the Cowboys play, and so
Speaker 1: they're the ones who have to kind of get it
Speaker 1: done if the Cowboys offense really wants to play at
Speaker 1: a high level. Yeah, I'm gonna go again because I
Speaker 1: don't think it'll make it around. Um. Speaking of that
Speaker 1: sort of where's Waldo. Miles Garrett gets to rush, probably
Speaker 1: from both sides. So if he gets to choose between
Speaker 1: Brandon Knight and Tyrn Smith, I have this feeling he's
Speaker 1: gonna be rushing from the left side. Does he Does
Speaker 1: he do that? Does he go to all over the place?
Speaker 1: Because I haven't you haven't feeling he'll He'll probably go
Speaker 1: that route, Baldo. Like you know the funny thing about
Speaker 1: defensive cordinas, when you put bad stuff on tape, they're
Speaker 1: a little more adaptable. When they see that the Cowboys
Speaker 1: are having problems on the edges, they may have Miles
Speaker 1: Garrett come from either side. The one thing that we've
Speaker 1: seen on tape with Brandon Knight, when they line up
Speaker 1: in a wide nine alignment, like really outside of the
Speaker 1: tackles outside shoulder, he has a problem because he's worried
Speaker 1: about his own ability to kick, slide and step on
Speaker 1: the outside move, and it makes him susceptible to the
Speaker 1: inside move. So we saw Alton Robinson get a sack
Speaker 1: on the inside pressure because of that. They see the
Speaker 1: tape Miles Garrett is going to test him with his
Speaker 1: speed and quickness initially and then going to try and
Speaker 1: find a way to work inside. This is a huge
Speaker 1: challenge for the Cowboys. Is one of the reasons why
Speaker 1: you're worried about them throwing the ball thirty five forty
Speaker 1: times because the more that you put it up there,
Speaker 1: the more times that Miles Garrett is going to make
Speaker 1: an impactful play, and that's not what you want to
Speaker 1: see from the Cowboys. So looking at all those options
Speaker 1: that you've seen the Cowboys run out there at tackle
Speaker 1: between Brandon Knight, Terrence Steals, Zack Martin. Obviously Zack Martin
Speaker 1: is the best player, but I want you to factor
Speaker 1: in moving him from guard. Who do you think is
Speaker 1: the best option for the Cowboys to assume Tyrren plays
Speaker 1: on the left side, who do you think is the
Speaker 1: best option for the Cowboys at right tackle? Well, I
Speaker 1: mean if you can kick it over like depending on
Speaker 1: Terren Steele situation or Brandon I you have to evaluate
Speaker 1: which one of those guys is playing better and which
Speaker 1: one is comfortable. Naturally still is played right tackle, so
Speaker 1: you're probably more comfortable there. And if you go that route,
Speaker 1: maybe you feel like you have three and a half
Speaker 1: solid players, meaning that you feel good about Timer Smith,
Speaker 1: you feel good about the center situation and Zach Martin,
Speaker 1: and then maybe you're hoping that we can kind of
Speaker 1: mix and match how we're going to help Connor Williams
Speaker 1: and Terring Steel. It is a tough situation because for
Speaker 1: so long Dallas has been so good with the offensive
Speaker 1: line that it hasn't been a consideration. You're able to
Speaker 1: just run your offense without thinking about what puts the
Speaker 1: offensive line in harm's way. Is different now, and so
Speaker 1: it has to impact your play call, Bucky. We've seen
Speaker 1: the Cowboys have some struggle. The Cowboys offense specifically have
Speaker 1: some struggles with controlling the ball. You know, little drops
Speaker 1: here and there where they shouldn't have been there, shouldn't
Speaker 1: have happened. You know that things that are a little
Speaker 1: unusual for vettering guys to be doing. But as far
Speaker 1: as the their defense goes, how good can are they
Speaker 1: are just taking away the ball, are just getting their
Speaker 1: hands on the ball. Well, it all starts up front.
Speaker 1: The disruption happens up front. All of the bad things
Speaker 1: typically happen when Miles Garrett and company are being able
Speaker 1: to get around the quarterback. And the way that you
Speaker 1: can and do that is you stop the run on
Speaker 1: early downs. If the Cowboys elect to run it, you
Speaker 1: put Dallas in backed up situations where it's obvious passing nows.
Speaker 1: So now they can spread out a little bit, they
Speaker 1: can pin their ears back, they can get in those
Speaker 1: tracks stances and come after the quarterback. Here's what's concerning
Speaker 1: about the Cowboys when you look at them over the
Speaker 1: last couple of years, when Dak Prescott throws the ball
Speaker 1: over thirty three times, they're thirteen and twenty in his
Speaker 1: history over the last nineteen games, fourteen times he's had
Speaker 1: to throw at thirty three or more times. When the
Speaker 1: turnovers begin to happen, more throws they win eighty one
Speaker 1: percent of the games when he doesn't have any turnovers.
Speaker 1: They only win eighteen percent of the time when he
Speaker 1: has two or more turnovers. The more you throw it,
Speaker 1: the more you putting them in harm's way, and so
Speaker 1: it's kind of the conundrum that you find yourself. You
Speaker 1: want to throw it because it's the best option based
Speaker 1: on your personnel, but when you do that, the odds
Speaker 1: go up that he is going to turn over the ball.
Speaker 1: And that's been the biggest issue that the Cowboys have
Speaker 1: had run game all that the turnovers are killing them.
Speaker 1: If you eliminate the turnovers, then you have a chance
Speaker 1: to win games. This kind of this kind of compliments
Speaker 1: that Bucky because I mean, I do hear what you're saying,
Speaker 1: and I understand that Lamar Jackson has arguably the best
Speaker 1: tackle duo in the NFL. But Baltimore absolutely diced this
Speaker 1: back seven I'm looking. I mean, he averaged eleven yards
Speaker 1: per attempt and had three hundred yards and only through
Speaker 1: five incompletions. So how do you balance you know, the
Speaker 1: danger of having Dak dropped back against the very obvious
Speaker 1: reality that that's not something Cleveland defends very well. I
Speaker 1: think you take this game and treated in two halfs.
Speaker 1: I think the first half you're super aggressive when you
Speaker 1: come out throwing early downs. You're trying to run up
Speaker 1: and see if you can get a fourteen point lead
Speaker 1: on the Cleveland Browns. That is the way that you
Speaker 1: want to play. Fast, aggressive early down throws, attack, put
Speaker 1: points up on the board early. The second half then
Speaker 1: becomes a little more of a balance game where you're
Speaker 1: mixing in runing throws on those early day and you're
Speaker 1: beginning to control the game. But the first half you
Speaker 1: can pay the first half at a frenetic pace and
Speaker 1: really try to put points. So I just think it
Speaker 1: has to be in Kellen Moore's mind. I have to
Speaker 1: get to a certain number of rushing attempts, not necessarily
Speaker 1: for the production, but to make sure that the clock
Speaker 1: is running. And I will say this, I came on
Speaker 1: here a couple of weeks ago and I advocated the
Speaker 1: Cowboys playing fast. They're playing faster than any team in
Speaker 1: the league. The problem is when you play that fast,
Speaker 1: the offenses in a rhythm, but you give the defense
Speaker 1: more opportunities to be on the field to be exposed.
Speaker 1: It's that fine line of playing fast but also calling
Speaker 1: the game from an offensive standpoint to protect my defense.
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to be the dead horse here. But
Speaker 1: let's flip it on the Browns. Who's Waldo over there,
Speaker 1: who's wearing the yellow jersey here in practice this week?
Speaker 1: And who the Cowboys maybe trying to exploit? Can we
Speaker 1: do that? Can we go Bolton board? Yeah? I mean, look,
Speaker 1: there are plenty of people for the Cowboys to exploit,
Speaker 1: because I just don't think the Browns can cover all
Speaker 1: the way happens on the outside. Denzil Ward is their
Speaker 1: number one, but Terrence Williams and those guys are certainly vulnerable.
Speaker 1: The problem is can I find a way to protect
Speaker 1: to give them shots. Because Dallas hasn't been a twelve
Speaker 1: personnel team with two tight ends, you can't really go
Speaker 1: max protect and allow Amari Cooper and Michael Gallup or
Speaker 1: Ceedee Lamb to go to work. And so you have
Speaker 1: to figure out a way to maybe hold the tight
Speaker 1: endend and maybe do some three man routes where you
Speaker 1: can push the ball down the field while still protecting Zach,
Speaker 1: protecting Dak from having that pass us right in his face.
Speaker 1: When you, I know, earlier yesterday, I think it was
Speaker 1: you said that you thought that this offense that the
Speaker 1: Cowboys will be facing, the Cleveland offense, was as talented,
Speaker 1: if not the most talented offense that they would have
Speaker 1: faced so far this season. Where do you rank this defense,
Speaker 1: like especially the defensive front, Where do you rank them
Speaker 1: relative to the other teams the Cowboys have seen so
Speaker 1: far this year? I would put them behind the Rams,
Speaker 1: maybe right there with the because maybe a little head
Speaker 1: of the Falcons, because you would swap out Grady Jared
Speaker 1: from Miles Gary, both of those guys are kind of
Speaker 1: comparable in terms of like their command. The thing is
Speaker 1: the outside pass russure is dominant. So I would say
Speaker 1: you're looking at the Atlanta Falcons defense, and remember early
Speaker 1: in the game couldn't control that defensive line. The first
Speaker 1: quarter was problematic. Turnovers were coming because the pressure was
Speaker 1: so it missed. They had to turn up the pace
Speaker 1: and the tempo to kind of slow them down and
Speaker 1: get the game under control. I think that's what you're
Speaker 1: potentially looking at. How the Atlanta Falcons started out the
Speaker 1: game with their defensive pressure really harassing Dad Prescott and
Speaker 1: calls and turnovers. Before we let you go, I did
Speaker 1: have one more question I wanted to ask you. Cleveland
Speaker 1: right now is ranked fifth in rush defense, only allowing
Speaker 1: two hundred and eighty two rush yards so far this season.
Speaker 1: That being said, are they more susceptible to the past
Speaker 1: than they are the run and or is that just
Speaker 1: a function of how the games have played out so
Speaker 1: far for them in the first three weeks. Now, it's
Speaker 1: still very vulnerable in the back end. When they're not
Speaker 1: able to get home, it's a problem. Also, it's a
Speaker 1: function of who they've really played like they face the
Speaker 1: Washington Redskins. They face the Cincinnati Bengals. Joe Burrow throw
Speaker 1: its sixty times and they conceded yards from twenty twenty
Speaker 1: found a way to slow them down in the red zone,
Speaker 1: so some of that is the numbers are kind of
Speaker 1: skewed based on how they played. This by far would
Speaker 1: be the toughest challenge that they have facing a Cowboys offense,
Speaker 1: so we will see how good they are. Dallas can
Speaker 1: be an attack mode, but I think the biggest thing
Speaker 1: is game management. If the Cowboys just take care of
Speaker 1: the football, don't give it away on offense, and don't
Speaker 1: make mistakes in the kicking game, they should be able
Speaker 1: to win this game. They have to tend to their
Speaker 1: own knitting. If they take care of the football, they
Speaker 1: should be able to walk away with a w. All right,
Speaker 1: Bucky Man, we appreciate you joining us. That was really
Speaker 1: great stuff. We'll see again next week when we match
Speaker 1: up to talk about the next opponent, the Cowboys AFP.
Speaker 1: We're gonna take our final break when we come back.
Speaker 1: We're gonna get to some questions to have for these guys,
Speaker 1: maybe get some fan questions we'll do when we come
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Speaker 1: let's jump back in. We're talking about the Cowboys offense
Speaker 1: versus the Browns defense. The question I have for you,
Speaker 1: guys is a similar question what I asked Bucky. This
Speaker 1: defense has only given up or has not given up
Speaker 1: a hundred yards or not giving up more than a
Speaker 1: hundred yards per game and given up on average ninety
Speaker 1: four yards per game. Their ranked fifth in rush defense
Speaker 1: in the league. Is this the week for the Cowboys
Speaker 1: to consider going more run heavy or is this one
Speaker 1: of those weeks where you say, this team clearly appears
Speaker 1: to be one that is better against the run than
Speaker 1: they are against the pass. So maybe you're going with
Speaker 1: the exact same strategy that you've had in some of
Speaker 1: these other games. Let's start first Union. Well, you know,
Speaker 1: it's clear last week that they they were starting the
Speaker 1: game just pass, pass, pass, and uh, you know, I
Speaker 1: think just that being said, because you do try to
Speaker 1: change it up, I would imagine they're going to just
Speaker 1: try to run the ball a little bit more, just
Speaker 1: because you don't want to put tendencies out there. There's
Speaker 1: quality control coaches out there for a reason. So I
Speaker 1: would imagine they will not start the game like they
Speaker 1: did last week with I think it was six or
Speaker 1: seven straight passes. I mean just you know, and they
Speaker 1: were they were moving it. But I think that they'll
Speaker 1: try to, you know, establish Zeke earlier. Amber Um. I
Speaker 1: don't know what it is about this game. And I
Speaker 1: know that the Browns, I'm supposed to previous years, they
Speaker 1: have bettered their team. You know, they do have a
Speaker 1: lot of talent, and I get that, but for some reason,
Speaker 1: I'm just not as worried or concerned. So I do
Speaker 1: see this game. Even though everything that Bucky said, I
Speaker 1: get it, I heard it, I processed it, but everything,
Speaker 1: but I still I still feel okay. And I feel
Speaker 1: like the Cowboys this is the game that they can
Speaker 1: use to kind of find the balance. Fine, just kind
Speaker 1: of play around with both things and just try to
Speaker 1: figure out exactly what will work best. And I get
Speaker 1: that every game and every opponent is different and you
Speaker 1: have to plan for whoever you're facing every week, but
Speaker 1: I do think I see this game as something where
Speaker 1: they can just play around with, trying to find the
Speaker 1: right balance between both. I don't want to hear it
Speaker 1: on Sunday. I don't want to hear it on Sunday
Speaker 1: Amber when Miles Garrett has his third sack and you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are They're awful, They're so bad. No like it.
Speaker 1: It turns out the Browns are better than the people
Speaker 1: want to give them credit for. I think he actually
Speaker 1: Dave real quick. I just gonna say, I think ever
Speaker 1: might be thinking about next week's game against the Giants.
Speaker 1: That's the one that maybe she's thinking this week where
Speaker 1: she's not as worried. I'm worried. I don't know about
Speaker 1: everybody else. I'm worried. I don't know what it is.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I know it's exactly what it is.
Speaker 1: It's because it's the Browns. They haven't had a win.
Speaker 1: This is the first time they've had a winning record
Speaker 1: in six years. Twenty fourteen was the last time before
Speaker 1: this week they had a winning record. So it makes
Speaker 1: sense that it makes sense that you feel that way
Speaker 1: based on the logo, but based on the roster, I
Speaker 1: think you should feel a lot more worried than you are. Um.
Speaker 1: I look, I didn't drive the CD LAMB train to
Speaker 1: pound the rock fifty times. Let's wing this bad boy around.
Speaker 1: I understand it's gonna be tough with with Miles Garrett
Speaker 1: coming after you, without Lyle Collins, and hopefully with Tyrn Smith.
Speaker 1: We'll see. Um, but I just think I love what
Speaker 1: Bucky said, throw it early, try to get up a lead.
Speaker 1: Baker Baker Mayfield can't keep up with them if they're
Speaker 1: humming the way that they were the other day the
Speaker 1: other day. You know, Russell Wilson's a whole different animal.
Speaker 1: I think. You know you're gonna have to win shootouts
Speaker 1: with the way this team is constructed. I think maybe
Speaker 1: not maybe not forty to thirty nine every week, but
Speaker 1: like you know, the Cowboys are gonna need to score
Speaker 1: in the thirties most weeks to win games, I think,
Speaker 1: and passing gives him the best bet to do that.
Speaker 1: All right, let's let's move on one stat that stuck
Speaker 1: out to me. Stuck out to me about this Brown's defense.
Speaker 1: They have allowed six There were six opportunities where teams
Speaker 1: had fourth downs, and they converted all of them. They're
Speaker 1: six or six and giving up fourth down attempts by
Speaker 1: their opponents. So obviously you look at the Cowboys and
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy in and the lot has been made about
Speaker 1: how aggressive he tends to be. Do you think this
Speaker 1: is a week where he is a little, even even
Speaker 1: more aggressive on fourth downs knowing that this team has
Speaker 1: not done well so far this season on fourth down attempts.
Speaker 1: Let's start first with you, Dave. I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: first see him being more aggressive. I mean, I mean,
Speaker 1: that's an interesting stat but i'd also have to know
Speaker 1: the context, like are they given have they given? Have
Speaker 1: they given up six fourth downs or three yards or more?
Speaker 1: Or we're five of those fourth downs, fourth and inches
Speaker 1: where you really like your chances to convert no matter what.
Speaker 1: Um So I don't think that's that's gonna make Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy more aggressive. I just think he has shown through
Speaker 1: three weeks that he's willing to be aggressive pretty consistently.
Speaker 1: So I would guess we're going to see a fourth
Speaker 1: down or tenth or two this weekend. I would guess
Speaker 1: we're going to see them opting to do that over
Speaker 1: special teams plays. But that's just that's just been a
Speaker 1: trend through three weeks, more so than because of anything
Speaker 1: the Browns do. Amber Um, Well, if the if Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy's stats guy come into the office and present this
Speaker 1: stat I think that McCarthy would probably be like, hmm, okay,
Speaker 1: take note of that, based on the fact that he's
Speaker 1: spoken about statistics before and all that. So I do
Speaker 1: see him going for it. Obviously, it always depends on
Speaker 1: the situation and how many yards you need to convert there.
Speaker 1: But I do see him just based on I see
Speaker 1: him being aggressive, just like he's been so far this season. Nick,
Speaker 1: just it's gonna come down to down in distance and
Speaker 1: just see you know how you know what what situation
Speaker 1: it is. But I do think that you know that
Speaker 1: that means to me that the Browns, you know, are
Speaker 1: not tightening you know, the ship when it when it's
Speaker 1: fourth down. I mean, they're they're able to you know,
Speaker 1: teams are able to convert. And I don't know exactly
Speaker 1: all of those, but I don't think you're going to
Speaker 1: be worried about it as much. All right, And but
Speaker 1: real quick, let's get a couple of fan questions. We
Speaker 1: haven't had chance to get some of those fan questions.
Speaker 1: Let's see if we can get a couple here before
Speaker 1: we end the show. Okay, I have one right here
Speaker 1: that says this person is saying it's been implied a
Speaker 1: few times on the show that Mike Nolan u is
Speaker 1: a great coach. I've gone back to look at the
Speaker 1: teams and the defenses he's been a part of in
Speaker 1: the past. I'm missing something here. What has warranted so
Speaker 1: much praise? Mum anyone. I'm trying right here. No, I'm
Speaker 1: trying to think. I'm trying to think of how I
Speaker 1: want to phrase this, and I'd have to go back
Speaker 1: and listen. I think the big thing that I've always
Speaker 1: said with Mike Nolan is experience. I mean if he
Speaker 1: was if he was great, then I think he wouldn't
Speaker 1: have had as many jobs as he's had over the years.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean that that's a fair criticism. I
Speaker 1: just think in terms of, you know, what we thought
Speaker 1: bit the Cowboys a lot last year was guys learning
Speaker 1: on the fly. You know, coordinators who are in their
Speaker 1: first year on the job, Guys who don't necessarily have
Speaker 1: a lot of experience. Mike Nolan might not be the
Speaker 1: best coach in the world, but you can't say that
Speaker 1: about him. I mean, he's I imagine he's seen everything
Speaker 1: the NFL can throw at you, and like I've said
Speaker 1: already this week, that gives me optimism that he can
Speaker 1: adapt his game plan to fit what he's working with
Speaker 1: as opposed to other guys that have been here in
Speaker 1: the past. So it's fair though, and maybe that's part
Speaker 1: of the off season hype train that you know, new
Speaker 1: doesn't always mean better, I guess, but I think his
Speaker 1: experience at the very least is valuable. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I think that you know, it's easy to say, well,
Speaker 1: you know when you're doing and implementing a new defense
Speaker 1: that maybe you know it's you're behind the eight ball
Speaker 1: when you don't have as much time to practice and
Speaker 1: you know, with the off season the way it is.
Speaker 1: But I mean, I think he's one of those guys
Speaker 1: that's proven to be a pretty good coordinator, a versatile coordinator.
Speaker 1: But you know, through three games, it hasn't it hasn't
Speaker 1: happened yet. But I mean, let's just wait and see.
Speaker 1: Let's see what happens when you face you know, the Browns,
Speaker 1: the Giants, the Cardinals. Let's see what happens at these
Speaker 1: three home games, and if we're having a different opinion
Speaker 1: over the defense, if if it's just average, if it's
Speaker 1: still bad, if it's maybe decent. Now, I don't know,
Speaker 1: try to get another question your amber. I think it
Speaker 1: was earlier this week where we saw one of us
Speaker 1: someone mentioned Randy Gregory and the you know when he
Speaker 1: gets back in and all that. So there's a question
Speaker 1: just kind of going back to that whole subject of
Speaker 1: what happens when Randy Gregory gets back into the team.
Speaker 1: How much are you guys expecting him to be of
Speaker 1: an impact? I think I mean I expected that. Go ahead,
Speaker 1: I'll go ahead. Nick, I'm sorry, but I think I
Speaker 1: think um McCarthy said he was. He's, you know, making
Speaker 1: some progress, he saith he said that today. But you
Speaker 1: know the good thing about him is that schemes and
Speaker 1: all this stuff. He'll come in at times on third
Speaker 1: and seven, third and nine, and he's got one goal
Speaker 1: and that scheme and that that plan is the same
Speaker 1: when he was at Nebraska, when he was you know,
Speaker 1: in Rod Marinelli's defensees go get the quarterback. So I'm
Speaker 1: not saying it's as simple as that, but you can
Speaker 1: that's a good way to ease him in on passing situations,
Speaker 1: to say, get around, you know, the edge and try
Speaker 1: to get to the quarterback. Well, we'll continue to work
Speaker 1: with the rest of the scheme. If he can just
Speaker 1: get in and rotate, then that that's enough for me.
Speaker 1: It's funny because you know, maybe Aldon Smith is changing
Speaker 1: people's expectations of what you can do after a long
Speaker 1: time away from the game. But Aldon Smith was also
Speaker 1: a twenty sack all pro at one point during his career.
Speaker 1: We haven't seen that from Randy. So Randy's walking past
Speaker 1: me as we speak out on the practice field. UM,
Speaker 1: I mean the guy had well, he's walking inside. He's
Speaker 1: I'm not giving away strategy. Um, anyway, Um, he had
Speaker 1: he had six sacks in twenty eighteen. You know, I
Speaker 1: think he can rotate start out somewhere between twenty five
Speaker 1: and thirty five percent of the snaps, and I bet
Speaker 1: he can contribute a handful of sacks to this defense
Speaker 1: once he gets up to speed. I have a follow
Speaker 1: up question that real quick and real quick. I want
Speaker 1: to ask these guys, um, like, right now, you look
Speaker 1: at this team and Alton Smith obviously is performing above expectations.
Speaker 1: He's leading the league in sacks, but I think all
Speaker 1: of us would probably agree that you're not getting as
Speaker 1: much pass rush as you may be hoped for from Everson,
Speaker 1: Griffin and uh and from Tank Lawrence. That being said,
Speaker 1: do you think that maybe part of the issue is
Speaker 1: scheme related? We are seeing these guys out and coverage
Speaker 1: some that's not something that that Tank is done, I
Speaker 1: know here before. Do you think that maybe some of
Speaker 1: the things they're asking them to do schematically are affecting
Speaker 1: their ability to be able to be effective pass rushers.
Speaker 1: I mean, you can say that, but I don't think
Speaker 1: they're in they're in coverage that much. I mean, the
Speaker 1: three four defense is designed for those guys to get
Speaker 1: wide and to kind of really open things up and
Speaker 1: get to the quarterback. So everything I've ever been told
Speaker 1: about a three four scheme or at least guys that
Speaker 1: are standing up, is that it should allow them to
Speaker 1: get to the quarterback more So, I'm not there yet
Speaker 1: to say that it's it's the scheme so much. I
Speaker 1: just don't. I don't know, I don't. I don't think
Speaker 1: that they're as healthy as they need to be or conditioned.
Speaker 1: You know. Remember Griffin was off all off season and
Speaker 1: before he signed with the Cowboys. So I mean, I
Speaker 1: just think that they're they're they're working back into this,
Speaker 1: but I don't know if it's scheme just yet, Dave.
Speaker 1: Everybody was so sick of the last scheme by the
Speaker 1: time the you know, Rod Marinelli and that staff finally left.
Speaker 1: So even if it's not great, I'm just you gotta
Speaker 1: i gotta be a little bit more patient before I'm
Speaker 1: talking about blowing things up three games into a new situation. Um.
Speaker 1: Like I said, though, like I mean, there's there's gotta
Speaker 1: be ways you can tweak to make to make improvements.
Speaker 1: In the meantime, I'd love to see Mike Nolan blitz
Speaker 1: a little bit more often. I don't think the Cowboys
Speaker 1: have done enough of that. But as far as like
Speaker 1: overhauling things, it's you know, it's week four of the
Speaker 1: first year. I'm I'm not there yet, Camber, what do
Speaker 1: you think. Look, I I've never been on a football
Speaker 1: field without wearing heels, so it's tough for me to
Speaker 1: say certain things. But the way I see it, all
Speaker 1: of these guys are a professional level, so there is
Speaker 1: a certain knowledge and expectation once you hit the NFL,
Speaker 1: And to me, I just don't understand how complicated or
Speaker 1: how difficult it is for these guys to be able
Speaker 1: to adapt to something that the coaching staff is doing,
Speaker 1: to be able to adapt to something new. And I
Speaker 1: keep mentioning this because I keep hearing it from certain
Speaker 1: defensive players where they talk about wanting the game to
Speaker 1: be simplified a little, and you know, we talk about
Speaker 1: the secondary and the miscommunication there. So I guess I'm
Speaker 1: just having a difficult time kind of understanding why this
Speaker 1: is so difficult after I guess three weeks that have
Speaker 1: gone by. Yeah, you know, the thing about it for
Speaker 1: me is, as I look at that amber, just particularly
Speaker 1: your point, this is a fast game, and we all
Speaker 1: have been on the sideline during games. We see how
Speaker 1: fast this game moves. These guys are big, but they
Speaker 1: move and they move quickly. That being said, I don't
Speaker 1: think it takes if you're just even second guessing yourself
Speaker 1: just a bit, like if you're off just a tick,
Speaker 1: it makes a huge difference in your ability to be
Speaker 1: able to get to a certain spot, or be able
Speaker 1: to be effective and pass rush or whatever it is
Speaker 1: that you're trying to do on the field. And that's
Speaker 1: where I do kind of understand the idea that if
Speaker 1: they're not completely if they don't completely understand and are
Speaker 1: just playing just by instinct because they know the defense,
Speaker 1: that that could be a problem for them, because I
Speaker 1: do think it may slow them down just a little bit.
Speaker 1: They're thinking a little bit too much, and when you
Speaker 1: have to do that, that slows you down just a tick,
Speaker 1: and that may put you off, especially when you're playing
Speaker 1: position like linebacker or where you're coming off to try
Speaker 1: to get a pass rush to get to the quarterback
Speaker 1: like time is important, and so if you're off just
Speaker 1: a tick, I think that could make a real difference.
Speaker 1: And I think maybe not saying it is, but I
Speaker 1: think maybe that could be a part of the factor
Speaker 1: of part of what we're seeing here from this defense
Speaker 1: so far. Early on. All right, we appreciate you guys,
Speaker 1: you're gonna we'll be back tomorrow and we will break
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