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Speaker 3: Books are awesome, right, like this book right here, Call

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Speaker 3: Me Hunter by Jim Shockey. Okay, and that is our

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Speaker 3: guest today, Call me Hunter. Welcome to the show, Jim Shockey.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks for having me. I'm excited.

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Speaker 3: So the reason why you're so notoriously popular in your

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Speaker 3: community is you like to like am I right?

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Speaker 2: Black rifle? Hunt?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Excuse me, yes, black.

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Speaker 4: Like Davy Crockett. You it's only a little bit modernized.

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Speaker 4: That's how I made my name in our industry. But

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Speaker 4: I use archery just as much a bow and arrow

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Speaker 3: Right, what do you enjoy really, you know, moving through

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Speaker 3: the bush with you? Do you enjoy a compound bow?

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Speaker 3: Do you enjoy the rifle muzzle style movement? What's your

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Speaker 3: what do you like to there?

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 2: Gets snack?

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Speaker 4: The ultimate ultimate hunters is archery. But when you're we've

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Speaker 4: So and as a hunter, if we're talking about hunting,

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Speaker 4: that's what you want to do is get as close

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Speaker 4: my You know that that's the ultimate in hunting, But

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Speaker 4: it's also very difficult. Takes time.

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Speaker 3: You feel like you're one with the animals that you're

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Speaker 3: you share the food with others, right of course.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we are all part of nature regardless of whether

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Speaker 4: You know, if we think we're not we don't have

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Speaker 4: of course, we're all part of nature. So so yeah,

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Speaker 4: when you're in the wild winds, you you're as close

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Speaker 2: Well, honestly to that point. You know someone who myself.

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Speaker 3: I really don't eat a lot of red meat at all,

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Speaker 3: And I think a vegan is trying to do something right,

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Speaker 3: It's just at least somebody's trying to do something right.

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Speaker 3: He gets to Texas and it's like, hey, you want

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Speaker 3: By your dad, like I'm not taking a knee. I'm

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Speaker 3: I've never taken a knee and you won't either. But

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Speaker 3: Nowhere else to go, No, because that book right here,

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Speaker 3: the call Me Hunter book, it prays on your psyche

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Speaker 3: of you being out on these hunts and creating these thoughts.

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Speaker 3: I have to feel like you know that have are

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Speaker 4: Yeah? I mean honestly, I spent you when you're sitting

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Speaker 4: started when I was ten years old. There's a lot

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Speaker 4: of this book is autobiographical, so that's in a way

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Speaker 4: what you're asking is did some of these things happen

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Speaker 4: this novel. That's why I wrote it, was to make

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Speaker 4: it to blur the lines of reality and fiction. What

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Speaker 4: what is real? Google it? Google? Go go ahead.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you say that, you say it says challenging.

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Speaker 4: Right, you'll figure out what's what's real. And one I

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Speaker 4: defy anybody to find things in there that aren't true.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you got a whole Swiss army knife of weaponry.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. I've lived one hundred miles an hour since I

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Speaker 4: I went to university. I grew up in Saskatchewan and

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's socialized, so we can't produce like I

435
00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:28,199
Speaker 4: can for the States, you know, where it's based on

436
00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:30,399
Speaker 4: what I can produce as good as I can. And

437
00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:32,240
Speaker 4: if I can save money on something and do it

438
00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:34,800
Speaker 4: and do it better production and do it this way, great,

439
00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:36,480
Speaker 4: do it. If I can do it with four people, great.

440
00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:39,040
Speaker 4: So here we have to hire this person, this person, this,

441
00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:41,320
Speaker 4: and it's mandated by the government who we have to

442
00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:43,439
Speaker 4: do it, so you don't make money, Well, what's the

443
00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:44,960
Speaker 4: motivation that they're creating them? Good?

444
00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:46,160
Speaker 2: So like here in Utah.

445
00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:49,639
Speaker 3: We have like if you bring the crew here SAG

446
00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:52,520
Speaker 3: or whoever it is, you know, SAG Union style, et cetera,

447
00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:56,240
Speaker 3: you have to hire seventy five percent Utah Utah's for

448
00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:58,560
Speaker 3: the crew or in cast, right, and then you can

449
00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:01,199
Speaker 3: bring in the outside ours. Is that kind of what

450
00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:03,640
Speaker 3: you're touching on is having these types of rules over

451
00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:05,880
Speaker 3: your production company that are yeah like.

452
00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:07,520
Speaker 4: That, I mean, I you know, and this is this

453
00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:09,160
Speaker 4: is the other side of the flip side of it.

454
00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:11,240
Speaker 4: I get it. You know. I don't want someone from

455
00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:14,960
Speaker 4: California coming in with ten semi trailers, all California Los

456
00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:18,080
Speaker 4: Angeles people and walking out of my wilderness to take

457
00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,840
Speaker 4: videos on the beautiful mountains. You know, why would you

458
00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:22,800
Speaker 4: have people that are local? So I get that side

459
00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:25,399
Speaker 4: of it too, you know. So, but there's some kind

460
00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:27,480
Speaker 4: of a common sense balance and there. You know, it

461
00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:31,239
Speaker 4: shouldn't be forced to hire so many people that you

462
00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:33,120
Speaker 4: can't make a living at it, because then you don't

463
00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:36,359
Speaker 4: do it. You know, it should be government money that's

464
00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:38,520
Speaker 4: that allowing you to do it that way, which is

465
00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:41,200
Speaker 4: what happens up here. But I do get that. I mean,

466
00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:43,560
Speaker 4: you know, if we're we're in the first nations we

467
00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:46,040
Speaker 4: call them up here, you guys call Native Americans. Okay,

468
00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:50,200
Speaker 4: So if we're in there, you know, territories and their land,

469
00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:53,719
Speaker 4: why not hire them too, Exactly, if they're living there,

470
00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:56,439
Speaker 4: let's let's bring the money into the community. I'm all fortant.

471
00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:59,199
Speaker 4: I've seen that work all over the world, which is

472
00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:02,440
Speaker 4: part of the reason I'm a proponent for hunting as

473
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 4: a conservation tool around. Think what the dollars do you know?

474
00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:09,680
Speaker 4: New schools, teachers, doctors that can come in, they build roads,

475
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:12,280
Speaker 4: they actually get a vehicle, they can hire someone to

476
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:15,840
Speaker 4: you know, watch over the wild to manage it. These

477
00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:18,520
Speaker 4: are all these are all good things for the community.

478
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:21,240
Speaker 4: It comes about because money comes in from the outside.

479
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:24,080
Speaker 4: So so I'm like I said, there's a common sense

480
00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:27,199
Speaker 4: on all this that we need to somewhere, you know,

481
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,720
Speaker 4: find common ground in Again, it takes tolerance, listening to

482
00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:31,800
Speaker 4: somebody's point of view exactly.

483
00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,920
Speaker 3: And here in Utah, the hunt for just regular deer.

484
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,159
Speaker 3: You know, your buck and your do deer. Actually it's

485
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:39,879
Speaker 3: probably just buck during the fall seasons coming up. You know,

486
00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:42,159
Speaker 3: you have to get tagged for that. You have to

487
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,120
Speaker 3: get a permit. Like so we do you get a

488
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:46,200
Speaker 3: deer hunting license. Right, you go through all those safety

489
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,080
Speaker 3: requirements to get your hunter's head, hunters safety et cetera.

490
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:52,120
Speaker 3: You apply for your permit, but it's only in certain areas.

491
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:54,040
Speaker 3: Back in the day, when my dad used to go

492
00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:55,760
Speaker 3: out and hunt for deer and I'd go with them

493
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:57,680
Speaker 3: on his side, it was like, let's.

494
00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 2: Just go we're going to go out, we're going to

495
00:23:58,880 --> 00:23:59,320
Speaker 2: drive out.

496
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:01,199
Speaker 3: We're just going to get out of the car and

497
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:04,040
Speaker 3: hike into the mountains and see what we find.

498
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 2: But now it's like more structured.

499
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:07,640
Speaker 3: You have to go to this piece of the puzzle

500
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,320
Speaker 3: and your permit's only good for this area. What do

501
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 3: you think about that? Do you think as conservation of

502
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,200
Speaker 3: a hunter? Do you think you know what I'm talking about?

503
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:17,119
Speaker 4: Yeah, of course, of course I do.

504
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 2: That's just checking.

505
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:23,200
Speaker 4: The you know. Again, it goes back to that there's

506
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:26,359
Speaker 4: eight billion of us in this world, and about forty

507
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:29,920
Speaker 4: years ago there was less people. True, you know, there

508
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:34,200
Speaker 4: is more availability for the wildlife resource, but if you're

509
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,040
Speaker 4: going to have wildlife surviving into the future, you've got

510
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 4: to manage it. Anyone that thinks that there's any larger

511
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:44,480
Speaker 4: species of animal in this world that isn't managed right

512
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 4: now by science is just out to lunch. Every single name,

513
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 4: whales right right down to rabbits. It's all managed. So

514
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:56,119
Speaker 4: when you have so many people and the supply is

515
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 4: so limited nowadays, then you have to manage it. And

516
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,960
Speaker 4: that's that's why they have these various rules and regulations.

517
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:04,640
Speaker 4: I mean, on top of the fact that I think

518
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:06,719
Speaker 4: it was a good thing. You know it was. It

519
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 4: was pretty wild West back when I grew up, when

520
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 4: you know, when I went out with my dad sixty

521
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 4: years ago and it was really wild West. It was

522
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 4: a bang bang bang, And you know, I mean I

523
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,200
Speaker 4: knew a few people that have been shot, you know, accidentally,

524
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:22,240
Speaker 4: you know, accidental discharges. You know, that kind of thing

525
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 4: needed to be regulated and people need to be educated

526
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,160
Speaker 4: that go here in the fire arm. You know, you

527
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,160
Speaker 4: better know how to use that thing, and you better

528
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,919
Speaker 4: be able to identify the animals. Dad's day, you know,

529
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,160
Speaker 4: they just shot whatever they saw. They didn't worry about

530
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:37,720
Speaker 4: that rules and regulations.

531
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:40,159
Speaker 2: You know that that was it was food.

532
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,120
Speaker 4: It was food. It was a hamburger running across the field.

533
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,399
Speaker 4: You know, that can't be that's not sustainable into the future.

534
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 4: It's got to be. You know, there's got to be

535
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,399
Speaker 4: a spiritual relationship with the animal for the people that

536
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 4: actually hunt them. In my opinion, I think the food

537
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,159
Speaker 4: is a big part of it, or eight part, but

538
00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 4: certainly there has to be you know, different higher level

539
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 4: respectful an animal than maybe what my dad had.

540
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 3: For you know, I like to say, at the end

541
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,679
Speaker 3: of the day, we're all living on this earth, we

542
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 3: would be a triatarian.

543
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,120
Speaker 2: A triatarian means I would try.

544
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,479
Speaker 3: To do anything and eat anything to live, right, if

545
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:17,879
Speaker 3: there's nothing around, you're gonna do what you have to do.

546
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 3: Because a hungry person is a hungry person, and they're like,

547
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, you go from oh I just

548
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 3: eat lettuce to like, hmm, that squirrel.

549
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 4: You know.

550
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,920
Speaker 3: It's like I'm hungry. My tummy and my head tell

551
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 3: me to get that squirrel. Both my brains are telling

552
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:33,400
Speaker 3: me to eat that thing.

553
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:33,920
Speaker 4: Right.

554
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,399
Speaker 3: It's just you know, I feel that if I was

555
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 3: to hunt it in Alaska, per se, Right, let's just

556
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,200
Speaker 3: go with that thought process. I would shoot the elk,

557
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:43,399
Speaker 3: do all of it's you know, butchering to the elk,

558
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 3: and then leave the rest of it there to let

559
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 3: it go on to its journey. I feel like that's

560
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 3: how I would want to be as that hunter. You know,

561
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:53,360
Speaker 3: have some kind of that connection. That's why I was saying,

562
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:54,879
Speaker 3: do you feel like you have a connection when you

563
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 3: take the animal?

564
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 2: You know, it's like you know, yeah.

565
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,480
Speaker 4: You percent do it, and you're also when you're part

566
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,639
Speaker 4: of nature. That that's the balance. I mean, the wolves

567
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:06,880
Speaker 4: have to eat, the grizzly bears, you know, they're scavengers,

568
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:11,640
Speaker 4: any teat the bowls any but you know, any any

569
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,679
Speaker 4: of the wolverines, the smaller creatures, they all need to

570
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,680
Speaker 4: eat as well, so they you know, no part of

571
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 4: an animal is wasted, even if you know it doesn't

572
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 4: have to go through a human gut, it's still it's

573
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,679
Speaker 4: going to be used in the in the wildlands. And

574
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 4: then when you're partaking of that, when you're embracing that

575
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 4: part of nature, then it just becomes honestly natural. You know,

576
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 4: bits and pieces you leave. Now, you know, back to

577
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,399
Speaker 4: your point in the Triataran, which I love, I may

578
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:48,919
Speaker 4: borrow that down. Yeah, if you were truly starving, I

579
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 4: mean those other creatures become food too, and I mean

580
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 4: that gut pile becomes bait to bring those other creatures in.

581
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,879
Speaker 4: I mean, you're and whatever is the bait, there's probably

582
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,159
Speaker 4: the smell that's left because you're going to eat everything that,

583
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 4: you know, the testine is aligning the tripe or whatever

584
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:09,360
Speaker 4: you're going to eat at the call fat, I eat

585
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 4: that anyway. The liver, chidney's all out of you already

586
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:16,439
Speaker 4: nos tongue. I mean, that's those are delicacies.

587
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 3: Let alone being super hungry and just looking at it

588
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 3: and saying I'm gonna eat it.

589
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 2: You're like, hey, I already eat that.

590
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 3: But when you're hungry and the only thing you have

591
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:27,359
Speaker 3: left is just yeah.

592
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 4: A gain to your point, if you travel much and

593
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:33,639
Speaker 4: you're in places like West Africa, China, there's no you

594
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 4: around the people. There's no there's no animals, there's no birds.

595
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 4: Why well, because they've been eating because people are hungry,

596
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 4: and that that is that's our biggest issue we're going

597
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 4: to have to face at some point on the road.

598
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 2: You just opened my mind just now.

599
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 3: Literally, I didn't even think that the reason why it

600
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 3: would be scarce is because they're just eating it all right.

601
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 3: It's like there's a there's a lake out here that

602
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 3: was man made in one of the communities and they

603
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 3: opened it to fishing, and everybody comes around, has fished

604
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 3: it all out to take it home.

605
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 2: And eat all the fish, you know, like it's like

606
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 2: what do you expect?

607
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 3: And then the people that live there, like, where's all

608
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 3: the fish?

609
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 4: And you know what, that's just the fish that we

610
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 4: consider to be edible game fish. You know, there's the

611
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 4: trash fish. They're probably still there, but I'll guarantee you

612
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 4: that there'll be people that are catching those right now

613
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 4: and eating those as well. Correct. I eat gar I

614
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 4: think they're excellent. And if you go to these four

615
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 4: foreign countries where people are truly hungry, their nets are

616
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 4: designed to catch fish down to one inch, a little

617
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:44,719
Speaker 4: tiny little like crustacean shrimp that are they're so tiny

618
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 4: we wouldn't even consider. But they get a little handful

619
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 4: of them that goes in their suit. That's protein when

620
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 4: you're hungry. That's the absolute truth. You'll eat anything, and

621
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 4: all the rest is ideology to go by the wayside

622
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 4: when the time comes, you know, and I there's going

623
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 4: to be a spiritual relationship with the animal. That's a luxury,

624
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 4: you know, it's it's a luxury until you know you

625
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 4: really truly believe that this animal is is you need

626
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:13,719
Speaker 4: it to survive, then you're going to have a relationship

627
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 4: with it where you're going to put it on a

628
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 4: pedestal and deify it. So it's yeah, it's uh, it'll

629
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 4: be an interesting world in the future when depending on

630
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 4: what happens, you know, they may come a day and

631
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 4: my wife doesn't hunt, she will fly out the door.

632
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 4: I mean, we're total office. This lady trapped beauty beasts.

633
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 4: She had never heard of a flee but she says,

634
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 4: why would she hunt? You know, I bring the food home,

635
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 4: so there's no need for her. She said, if her

636
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 4: family was hungry, she would kill. She would go to eat.

637
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 4: And anybody with like I say, the ideologies they say,

638
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 4: I would, I'll start to that, you know, right, I mean,

639
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 4: I'm not saying there isn't people that you know that

640
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 4: won't like themselves on fire to show their faith in

641
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 4: something or to protest. There are, but they are the

642
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 4: extreme outer you know, tiny, tiny, tiny minority the rest,

643
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 4: but are going to do exactly what you say. That's

644
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 4: that thing's moving, that thing's protein. I'm hungry, I tell me,

645
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 4: he says, I'm hungry. My brain says, if I don't

646
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 4: need it. We're going to kill it and need it.

647
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 4: And I mean you don't have to go very far

648
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 4: back in history, and probably happening right now today somewhere

649
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 4: where someone's in a place where they're starving and their

650
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 4: buddy right next to them, they're starting to look pretty tasty.

651
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 3: Well, we have that big thing back in the day

652
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 3: called the daughter party here that Americans always talk about

653
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 3: in school, the Daughter Party. They couldn't get over the past,

654
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 3: and they wound up eating each other.

655
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 4: This is Franklin. You know that this is the expedition

656
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 4: up on the Arctic, that this is over and over Greenley.

657
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 4: They just name them, name them.

658
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 3: They even probably had some guys that ate themselves.

659
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 4: Okay, Shot, Shot is the one guy that I mean,

660
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 4: he's the best of the best. Me. He brought his

661
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 4: men through that, I mean, just anybody so I and

662
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 4: you know they didn't be great down into the Lord

663
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 4: of the flies where you know we're gonna kill Piggy

664
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 4: or whatever the name is it. Yeah, that's it. He was.

665
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 4: He ruled and I mean that's shockledon me. Was one

666
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 4: of the greatest leaders that this world has ever seen.

667
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 2: Explore hunter Gatherer, the whole nine yards.

668
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 4: And you know, yes, he was part of the British Empire,

669
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 4: so there. You know, they were calmnists and they did

670
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 4: a lot of things that nowadays we look back, but

671
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 4: we weren't living in those days.

672
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 3: You know what I tell folks when I come into

673
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 3: that conversation. I have a friend, a Native American down here,

674
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 3: and I said, you know, I'm sorry for what happened.

675
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 3: I didn't do any of that. I don't know how

676
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 3: to atone for that, but I'll be a good steward

677
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 3: of what I have today for the future. And he's like,

678
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 3: that's cool, bro, that's what's up, you know, because I

679
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 3: was like, I don't know how to tell you or

680
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 3: make amends or tell you I'm sorry for that.

681
00:32:58,280 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 2: That's not me. I'm today.

682
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 3: So if I have land here, I'm gonna take care

683
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 3: of it in that namesake because I can't help it.

684
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 4: No, And you what you end up with is a

685
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 4: virtue signaling by by people that are trying to look

686
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 4: like they're but they're not going to give up their

687
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 4: land either, you know they you know they'll and I'm

688
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 4: talking about white people that are there.

689
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 2: You know that's me.

690
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't I'm in that category, right, all right,

691
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 3: it is what it is.

692
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 4: It is what it is, and it's happened all over

693
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 4: the world, all through history, all the continents except Antarctica

694
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 4: that we know. You know, it's just it's what happens.

695
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 4: And and I'm sure that all through Ganghis Khan probably

696
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 4: sat there and you know, felt terrible of what he did.

697
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe he did a trillionaire. Genghis Khan

698
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 3: his empire had a trillion dollars. He had so much

699
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 3: money back then.

700
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, he makes ales under the great look like a

701
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 4: kindergarten student.

702
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 3: I mean trillion. You know, it's like I can't. I

703
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 3: don't know that money is just that's just an I will.

704
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 3: I learned the.

705
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 4: Word back in the day. You know, that's eight hundred

706
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 4: years ago. So I I mean, it's, uh, the world's

707
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,760
Speaker 4: going to be an interesting place going forward. As I said,

708
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 4: we better start thinking about it in common sense terms,

709
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:20,760
Speaker 4: not in ideological terms, because we're going to be facebook

710
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 4: it at some point, and I think i'd rather be prepared.

711
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 4: And I'm not a preppy guy, but but but to

712
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:30,839
Speaker 4: think that it's going to continue, it's just it's just

713
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 4: not I mean, it's just not it's we're.

714
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 3: Gonna have ordage in the sand, like the head and

715
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 3: the sand and the asses out to be shot.

716
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 2: You know.

717
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 3: It's like here's your target, but I don't see it coming. Oh,

718
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:48,360
Speaker 3: submarine down, one bubble, go ahead.

719
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,240
Speaker 4: I have to keep this on. My wife's not well.

720
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:54,919
Speaker 4: This last year and ten months has been pretty rough

721
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 4: for her obviously and for our family. So I have

722
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 4: my phone on for that was the hospital, and I

723
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 4: just have to be I have no matter what I'm doing,

724
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 4: the world ends at that moment. It's you know about Louisa.

725
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 4: I have to deal with that so well.

726
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 3: I love to you and your family right now for

727
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 3: whatever on your mind. Just so you know that thanks

728
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:21,319
Speaker 3: for being the facing your company and pushing forward for

729
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:21,880
Speaker 3: your museum.

730
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:24,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, we're all we're all going to face.

731
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 4: Mortality is something that's been able to avoid yet there's

732
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 4: been what eight or nine billion of us have gone

733
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 4: through it already, and there's eight billion of us on

734
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 4: this sort of right now that are going to go

735
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:38,799
Speaker 4: through it. And again the ostrich's in the sand. You

736
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 4: stick your head in the sand and think that's not

737
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 4: going to happen. You know it is going to happen.

738
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 4: I mean, it's every single one of us is going

739
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 4: to have to deal with us at some level. You know.

740
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 4: Jordan Peterson, I think, said that, you know every person

741
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 4: that you know is going through or is going through

742
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:59,800
Speaker 4: great sorrow, and you know that's stuff. To deal with it,

743
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 4: you just do your best and you you start to

744
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 4: realize and every day is precious and don't squander a

745
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 4: single day. It's it's you know, there's no reasons, so

746
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 4: don't don't waste it. And that's what we've tried to

747
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 4: do through this whole time. And they gave her three

748
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 4: months to live a year and ten months ago. So

749
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 4: I was with her minutes before I raced the podcast

750
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:27,320
Speaker 4: of Headwick back Home and and you know what, it's

751
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 4: it's a beautiful day. It's a beautiful day. We sat

752
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,319
Speaker 4: and had coffee and looked out over and land and

753
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 4: you know, watch the hawk take a round it in

754
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 4: front of us. And I mean, it's just don't let

755
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:43,319
Speaker 4: tomorrow steal today, and we're not letting that happen. So

756
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,280
Speaker 4: but what it does, it's caused me to get phone

757
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 4: calls in the middle of Hope podcast Possible, So again.

758
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,319
Speaker 2: I have no, I love it. I love it.

759
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 3: I think that's actually wholesome and I'm glad that you

760
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 3: opened up a little bit about that and you said

761
00:36:57,680 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 3: at the beginning of the show, You're like, hey, rad

762
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 3: I'm here to talk to you and get to know

763
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 3: you too, and thanks for just being real about it.

764
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 4: You know.

765
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 3: We like there's a band called Alison Chains. You may

766
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 3: have heard of it, and they have a quote in

767
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 3: their song that says we're born into the grave, and

768
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 3: so you know, there's a thing about that, so we

769
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 3: all know it. It's just you got to own it

770
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 3: and you got to move forward with it. You can't

771
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 3: dwell on it. You just got to live today because

772
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 3: today is what you have in front of you right now.

773
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 4: Comes back to having a goal. You're going to do that,

774
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,720
Speaker 4: you know, then set a goal for yourself. Don't waste

775
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 4: the time that we have unless that's your goal. I mean,

776
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,439
Speaker 4: Ferdinand the bullets out there and sniff flowers all day long.

777
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 4: And if someone wants to go sniff flowers for the

778
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 4: whole life.

779
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 3: That flowers, just foresee it.

780
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I love sniffing flowers that bring for

781
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 4: my wife every single day and always have, no matter

782
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:53,720
Speaker 4: where I've been around the world. We've been married thirty

783
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 4: nine years. Soulmates. I was hit over heels and love

784
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,360
Speaker 4: to day. On our first date, I knew he was

785
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 4: going to marry her. And I'm even warm love now,

786
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 4: and I all around the world. I picked flowers for

787
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 4: no matter where, I don't know. I get my cameraman

788
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 4: or do a selfie holding the flowers and making a

789
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 4: little heart sign, and you know, I can't get them

790
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 4: back to her because I knew I was doing this

791
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:18,320
Speaker 4: forty years ago, thirty years ago, twenty years You couldn't

792
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,399
Speaker 4: just send the text message with the flower. But when

793
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 4: I got home, I could give her all these flower pictures,

794
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 4: and you know, so, yeah, I think there's something to

795
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 4: be said for that too. It's just I'm not gonna

796
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 4: spend my life in them.

797
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:32,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, right right.

798
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 3: Now, being out in the field seeing some flowers, and

799
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 3: then all of a sudden you see the beast you're

800
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 3: tracking right, You're like, oh, hey, these flowers remind me

801
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 3: of my wife. Wait, what's that? Oh there it is,

802
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 3: I'm hunting that. And then you're out of the flowers

803
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 3: and you're right in to focus on it, right, And

804
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 3: so you got your archery. You got your compound bow.

805
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 3: Are you using a are you using a release? Are

806
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:56,879
Speaker 3: you using a trigger release system? Is that how you roll?

807
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 4: Yeah? I mean I'm old enough that when I started

808
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 4: it was it was fingertab fingers. Yeah. I was originally

809
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 4: long bows. I mean, reakers were just started. I mean

810
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 4: they've been aroun a long time. But my first bow

811
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 4: was a long bow. And but I you know, nowadays,

812
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 4: just for the accuracy, you know, I don't use a

813
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 4: thumb release. I use a finger trigger release. Yeah, you know,

814
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 4: I I embraced the modern But I'm no techie guy.

815
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:27,840
Speaker 4: There's guys that you know. I couldn't even set up

816
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 4: my own bowl properly. I have someone that's an expert

817
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 4: do that for me. I can site it in and

818
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 4: I can shoot it, you know, but I can't. I'm

819
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 4: not a techie guy.

820
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 3: On a pounding what pound are you pulling on your

821
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 3: on your bow for like say an elk?

822
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 4: You know nowadays I shoot sixty sixty yeah, but in

823
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 4: the older days it would be seventy eight. But teventy

824
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 4: two was about where I sat most of the time.

825
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 4: But you know, nowadays they've got the science down with

826
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 4: the cams, so it's an art. So they they know

827
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 4: sixty pound bow now is the same as a ninety

828
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 4: pound bowl back in the day in terms of energy.

829
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 4: So you know, just the arrows. Everything is better technology there.

830
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 3: Just more dynamic, it's less. Less muscle happened to pull

831
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 3: that back? I remember my dad got a compound bow.

832
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 3: He was so excited. My dad was a former Green Beret,

833
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 3: and so he always wanted to go out and do

834
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 3: a little hunting. And he'd go do this pond in Kaysville,

835
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:24,879
Speaker 3: Utah here and four or five in the morning, he'd

836
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 3: be out there and he'd just be throwing darts at

837
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:30,320
Speaker 3: carps and they'd have the prongs that popped out and

838
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 3: it would reel on his compound bow. But it was

839
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 3: a seventy five pound bow. He's like, all right, little Aaron,

840
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 3: my son, go ahead and pull that back. I'm like,

841
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 3: I just trying so hard. And then he would just

842
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 3: do it and the ease back right back, and I

843
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,399
Speaker 3: was just like, oh, Dad, you're the man. Seventy five

844
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:50,839
Speaker 3: pounds is what he was pulling on that.

845
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 4: There's technique involved to a mini user. Here's your big muscles.

846
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 4: So most people trying and pull up their arm.

847
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 3: You can't you go, You got to really pull it back.

848
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 4: They open your chest up. But you know nowadays for

849
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 4: archery for fish, I mean I was shooting a hundred

850
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 4: pound guard elegator guard now on the Mississippi River a

851
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 4: couple of years, five years ago, count five years ago

852
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 4: that you use twenty eight pounds because you don't want

853
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 4: to blow the harpoon point right through the fish. You

854
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 4: wanted to get into the skin and then be able

855
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 4: to reel it back in. So yeah, twenty eight pounds,

856
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 4: And that's something for anybody that's interesting. Archery is is

857
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 4: one of the fastest growing parts or components of our

858
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 4: hunting gathering world is archery for fish. I don't know

859
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 4: what they call it. Fish bowl deep covering is the

860
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 4: greatest archer that I've met in the world. And Steve

861
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 4: has designed a new fishing archery bowl. That's his big thing.

862
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 4: I was going all over trying to get these crazy

863
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 4: species of fish, you know, which most of them are

864
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 4: considered trash fish by you know, the game for they

865
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:05,839
Speaker 4: wouldn't but yeah, it's it's a Your dad was way

866
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 4: way ahead of his time doing it.

867
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:09,800
Speaker 3: Yeah that was eight Yeah, eighty eight. I think he

868
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 3: got that compound bow from a pawn shop. He just

869
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 3: saw it and said, I'll take that. He knew Rambo

870
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:17,240
Speaker 3: was huge in the theaters. Come on, he's a Green Beret.

871
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 3: He's gonna be getting a compound bow.

872
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 4: I just watched I just watched First Blood the other day.

873
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,839
Speaker 4: After all these years, it's still a great movie.

874
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 2: Great movie.

875
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 4: So left salone. So he was great. Yeah, he's he

876
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 4: was great then and he's still great. He's he's a

877
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 4: cool guy.

878
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 3: They drew First Blood, not me. Yeah, exactly.

879
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 2: I love it.

880
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, growing up on that, I remember seeing it in

881
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 3: a beta it was like a red Oh that was

882
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 3: red Don. Red Don was a red VHS tape. Now

883
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 3: I'm getting all stuck in the eighties here on my movies.

884
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,359
Speaker 3: But yeah, Rambo dude. First Blood, First Blood, Part two,

885
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 3: First Blood, Part three, First Blood, Part four, Last Blood.

886
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:02,879
Speaker 4: I think in the Arnold documentary they had they had

887
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 4: Sylvester on there talking about how you know he had

888
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 4: to kill more people and you know that will kill

889
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 4: more than the idiot. Yeah, those are the eighties were.

890
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 3: What I need to kill one hundred and fifty people

891
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 3: in this movie because he killed one hundreds and forty

892
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:19,840
Speaker 3: nine is the last one, and so I need to

893
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 3: kill a least one hundreds and fifty he says, you know,

894
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 3: it's a terminator.

895
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 4: I don't think that they'd be competing, but I guess,

896
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 4: you know, it's competition at the level a game setting goals.

897
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:31,479
Speaker 4: I want to be the best in the world. Well,

898
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 4: if that means.

899
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 3: Doing movies and killing people, yeah.

900
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, kill lots of people. But in the in the eighties,

901
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 4: it didn't really seem like that to me. The violence

902
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:45,479
Speaker 4: I see nowadays on TV there's one hundred times worse

903
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 4: than that. Stuff that was kind of cartooning almost. I

904
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 4: mean they look cartoon.

905
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:52,799
Speaker 3: Because we've become jaded to this kind of barbarianism of

906
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 3: you know, the UFC. You know, used to be a

907
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:57,840
Speaker 3: video that you had a rent in a video store

908
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 3: that was behind the curtain. You'd be twenty one to

909
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 3: get this movie that had all these different types of

910
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 3: acts going on it.

911
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 2: And that was where UFC was.

912
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 3: And I'm not blaming everything on that, but we get

913
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:10,879
Speaker 3: so jaded seeing these violent acts. Now we see where

914
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty guys get killed in an old

915
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 3: Rambo movie, Today's violent acts are far worse than that.

916
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think so. See you know in the video games,

917
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 4: I mean that's one hundred and fifty, it's like you

918
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 4: better do that in the first twenty seconds or.

919
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 2: You're level it up.

920
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:29,919
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's yeah, yeah, we're in your to that. We've

921
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 4: compartmentalized it and think about it that. Well, that's a

922
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 4: light and I don't know, maybe it's.

923
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 3: Well if you look at these, you know, combat sports

924
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 3: that are out there, kids never really look to play

925
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 3: combat sports. They played baseball, football, soccer. But the generation

926
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,479
Speaker 3: today that are the nine and twelve year olds are saying,

927
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 3: I want a career in that UFC. The guys that

928
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 3: were in UFC didn't come from that. They came from

929
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 3: like bull riding or like boxing and martial arts, you know, kickboxing, bloodsport.

930
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was so underground, you know, I mean that

931
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 4: by year that was just how you survived in school.

932
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 4: You didn't want to get beat up. Well, you better

933
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:12,720
Speaker 4: fight back. You know, it's they're gonna it's gonna happen

934
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 4: at some point. It was, but things have changed. I mean,

935
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:19,360
Speaker 4: you can't you know that what we did back in

936
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 4: those days, you'd be kicked out of school forever. You know,

937
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 4: never allowed back in. So you know, times change. I

938
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 4: don't know way talk to me in a thousand years

939
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:30,439
Speaker 4: or ten thousand years old right where we do this podcast. Well,

940
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:33,359
Speaker 4: remember we said that, boy would be I'm saying that,

941
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 4: but boy will we pressing when we said that, you.

942
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 2: Know exactly, Darry Arnold swasive.

943
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:41,360
Speaker 3: You listen to me today, play me on your VCA tomorrow,

944
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 3: but listen to me at some point.

945
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, and all those things we're talking about

946
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 4: right and wrong, talk to me in a million years.

947
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 4: We can't even fathom that. Like, our brains don't compute that.

948
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 4: We can look back, you know, maybe fifty years and

949
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 4: so oh, and then we forget about what happened beyond that.

950
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 4: Even most people someone us look a hundred some of

951
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:05,839
Speaker 4: historians look back on ten thousands. We talked about Inkers Khan.

952
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,879
Speaker 4: Our brains don't fathom a million years. And that's why

953
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 4: we're not a cosmic event. We'll figure this out one way.

954
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 4: It will be figured out for us. You know, we

955
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:18,840
Speaker 4: can't continue to have eight billion and we're gonna have

956
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 4: sixteen billion thirty two eight. I mean, that's naive to

957
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 4: think that's going to happen. So so you know, we'll

958
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 4: revisit all this, and.

959
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 3: It's easy to make it seem like it's an infestation

960
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 3: of the space rock that we're just this bacteria that's

961
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 3: just going to like like eat it away and turn

962
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 3: it into Mars.

963
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:37,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it won't happen because nature is such

964
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 4: a powerful, powerful force, you know, on this earth. I

965
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 4: mean nature will it. We're an experiment wins. Yes, yeah,

966
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:51,399
Speaker 4: I mean yes. And you know, people of faith, there's

967
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 4: a reasonaly of faith, because you got to believe there's

968
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 4: something out there for sure there is. You can't deny it.

969
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,800
Speaker 3: I mean, look, look just look up right all the

970
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 3: all of our ancestors and all of those folks that

971
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:04,800
Speaker 3: came from like the Mayans, and all of the different

972
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 3: you know, from all across the different areas of the

973
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 3: world right where they find these different symbols that people

974
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 3: looking up or trying to find something greater from different cultures,

975
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 3: but they're like the same designs.

976
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 4: You know. It's like, sure we are, we're products of

977
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 4: the creative force that, you know, God, whatever it is.

978
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:29,800
Speaker 4: I'm not you know, my own beliefs or my beliefs.

979
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:33,279
Speaker 4: I'm not judging other people for their beliefs. But but

980
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 4: you sit them in nature, in that cathedral, it is

981
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 4: nature in the wildlands. You can't help but get with

982
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 4: the flow and understand that this is there's a greater,

983
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 4: bigger picture here that we're that you know, we think

984
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 4: we're important. But again, talk in ten thousand years.

985
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:54,879
Speaker 3: Oh, I stood on the edge of a waterfall at Yellowstone,

986
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 3: you know, not too close, don't come at me, close

987
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 3: enough to know that that's the earth churning to know

988
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 3: that if I fell in there, I'm done.

989
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, I stood on the on the lip of

990
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 4: the crater of the volcano on Red Bull that you know,

991
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:15,439
Speaker 4: it blew up in the nineties, and it just blew

992
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 4: up recently again. You know, when I looked down into

993
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 4: that and this wasn't a bubbly, pretty law and pretty orange.

994
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 4: This was like a power I can't even describe. It's

995
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 4: indescribable to look down and this the power of this earth.

996
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 4: You are insignificant. I mean, there's I just I was

997
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:46,319
Speaker 4: at that point. You just realized how truly nothing we

998
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 4: are and what this earth wants. And I mean it

999
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 4: was shooting up boulders and size the bolkswagons up into

1000
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 4: their moom Hoom and the Balkans were on a on

1001
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 4: another mountain about twenty miles away, and you know, we

1002
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 4: want over then first, and they gave us instruments because

1003
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:03,880
Speaker 4: they wouldn't go up. They said, this thing is going

1004
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:06,319
Speaker 4: to go at some point and we're not going out there.

1005
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:08,720
Speaker 4: But if you wouldn't mind taking these instruments.

1006
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:09,799
Speaker 2: Up, yeah, just get a little dip in there.

1007
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:13,839
Speaker 4: Would you think it was? It was down below us.

1008
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 4: I got to the rim. There's there's video, you know,

1009
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:21,799
Speaker 4: like I'm I screamed that, you know, because I you know,

1010
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 4: I will not feel fear. And that's what this The

1011
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 4: power of that was. To me an upfront, it was

1012
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 4: trying to make me feel fear. Insignificant, fine, but never

1013
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 4: never fear. I don't care how powerful something is or

1014
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 4: how dangerous or how much trouble, and I'm not going

1015
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 4: to feel fear. But I mean, it was every ounce

1016
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 4: of my body just will not. I was screaming it

1017
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 4: back in this noise. I mean, we're lucky it didn't

1018
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 4: it didn't explode. Then it did a few months later

1019
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 4: and we were been vaporized. My wife because I had

1020
00:49:58,040 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 4: her son there as a videographer.

1021
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:03,759
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you're pulling everyone. It's like, come with me.

1022
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 4: But it was you realize the power of the earth

1023
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 4: when you're truly on that edge. And that's that was

1024
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 4: a literal and figurative edge. This Earth is not it

1025
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 4: will always be here. The energy of this Earth may

1026
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 4: change in form dinosaurs. You know, the biomounts is still here.

1027
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 4: The energy is still here, it's just a different form,

1028
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 4: and we release that amount of this energy. I mean again,

1029
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:33,879
Speaker 4: this is the science. Well, you start getting deep into

1030
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:37,799
Speaker 4: philosophical talk here. And I spent a lot of time

1031
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:39,399
Speaker 4: on the mouth, so I had a lot of time.

1032
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:44,319
Speaker 3: You said, I like that I snowboard. My snowboards are

1033
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 3: just right here behind me, right there, my wife and

1034
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 3: mine right above the pink bunny on the table right there.

1035
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 3: And so we're always in the mountains, always in the snow,

1036
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 3: always writing, always seeing crystals of snow just glittering in

1037
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:01,399
Speaker 3: our faces as we're just in this snow globe. I'm

1038
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 3: sure you've been in a snow globe while you're out

1039
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 3: there in the middle of nowhere and it's just snowing,

1040
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:07,880
Speaker 3: and you're just like, this is a really pristine environment,

1041
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 3: and you know, it's just mesmerizing. Not only are you

1042
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 3: out there doing your hunt, but you're just you're just connecting.

1043
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 3: I hate to say it like that, but you are, yeah,

1044
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 3: you know.

1045
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:22,879
Speaker 4: And again, I was just in Toronto here a couple

1046
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:25,319
Speaker 4: of days ago. I had to put down for a

1047
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:28,360
Speaker 4: five minute interview, and as I was heading back to

1048
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 4: the airport, I videoed the high rise after high rise

1049
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 4: after high rise after high rise, and there were artment buildings.

1050
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 4: I mean, it's just people living twenty thirty stories on

1051
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 4: top of each other, you know, four or five or

1052
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 4: eight to the level I don't even know. And I

1053
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 4: actually I don't say I felt sorry, but I felt

1054
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 4: melancholy because those people when when will they ever feel that,

1055
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 4: you know that you're talking about on the mountain of snow.

1056
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 4: You know they'll see it going by the window on

1057
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 4: the thirtieth floor, but they to actually again, get in

1058
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 4: touch with your ancestral soul. How do you do that

1059
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 4: in a major city. I guess maybe you go on

1060
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:09,759
Speaker 4: a holiday.

1061
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 3: You know, to try to go on an expedition. You

1062
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:13,399
Speaker 3: pay somebody to take you out and hope that they

1063
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 3: can give you that solace of mental stability that I

1064
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:19,360
Speaker 3: get from being out in the mountains.

1065
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, of course it isn't and it's centering. Yeah, but

1066
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 4: it sure makes sense why things are so divisive nowadays,

1067
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 4: because there's people like you, people like me that live

1068
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:32,400
Speaker 4: our lives out there and get it. You know, at

1069
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:34,279
Speaker 4: least we think we get it. I think I get it,

1070
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:36,719
Speaker 4: And you know, there's people live in the city and

1071
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 4: they look at us like you guys are freaks, Like

1072
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:42,799
Speaker 4: you know, what restaurant did you last night? We get

1073
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:45,840
Speaker 4: to go to this fanciest club that's so hard to

1074
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:48,720
Speaker 4: get into, and we got in. You know, that's their

1075
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:51,880
Speaker 4: reality and that's where they find their solace. I guess.

1076
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 4: You know.

1077
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:54,439
Speaker 2: I've been in that fancy club. You know, I've been

1078
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:54,719
Speaker 2: to it.

1079
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 3: I've been like, hey, come here, let me show you

1080
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 3: something that you have to have this secret pass on

1081
00:52:57,560 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 3: your phone to show this guy. Then you have to

1082
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 3: have another secretass on the show this guy. And then

1083
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:02,759
Speaker 3: this is what they want to show you. And it's

1084
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 3: a it's a concrete jungle. Yeah, that's their jungle.

1085
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 4: Yeah. And again I don't know, I've done both. Yeah,

1086
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 4: both restaurants where you're supposed to wait. The chef is

1087
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:17,480
Speaker 4: a hunter, you know, so you get in there. And

1088
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:20,800
Speaker 4: it's great, you know, it's wonderful. But would I stand

1089
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 4: in line from eight in the morning to hopefully get

1090
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:26,719
Speaker 4: in for a bunch maybe at one in the afternoon

1091
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:31,320
Speaker 4: because it's the place to eat at. I mean, however,

1092
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 4: people are sitting on it. I saw thirty six days

1093
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:38,319
Speaker 4: last year, every day from dawn till noon, got off

1094
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:40,839
Speaker 4: stand for two hours, and then went back one stand

1095
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 4: until dark, thirty six days in a row. Because I

1096
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 4: was after one particular white tailed deer, saw lots of

1097
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:49,919
Speaker 4: other deer, saw rabbit, squirrels, saw you know, kayak, saw

1098
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:55,840
Speaker 4: incredible moose. Flok finally said, that's my beautiful reality. And

1099
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 4: you know, thirty six days, what a waste of time

1100
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 4: if you're in the city looking at my world, you know,

1101
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 4: in my life and saying that's what did you accomplish?

1102
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 4: What did you do? You know, there's nothing. What was

1103
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:10,399
Speaker 4: your job?

1104
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1105
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:13,240
Speaker 4: I mean to them, it's got to look just as

1106
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 4: as weird as you know, living on top of the

1107
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:19,880
Speaker 4: other stack mile a mile of just high rises. So

1108
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:22,839
Speaker 4: so again that that's I can see why there's divisiveness

1109
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:26,400
Speaker 4: in this world nowadays, because how can they possibly relate

1110
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 4: to what you know what I can relate to and

1111
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 4: how am I supposed to relate to make me live?

1112
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:36,840
Speaker 4: I would you to me, it's a prison, and it

1113
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:39,359
Speaker 4: would be a tomb, especially when you you know, when

1114
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 4: you know someday we are going to get a natural pandemic,

1115
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 4: and you know, that's a tomb. It's just what level

1116
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 4: of the tomb you're going to be.

1117
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 3: So we just kind of live through that, you know,

1118
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 3: and uh, you know, we got to prepare ourselves for

1119
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:53,800
Speaker 3: just living our life today.

1120
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:56,360
Speaker 2: Because now we're back to society.

1121
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:58,399
Speaker 3: People can go out and explore and be a little

1122
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:00,719
Speaker 3: more freer than it was. And so I mean we

1123
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:02,920
Speaker 3: should take advantage of that and just go get outside.

1124
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:03,880
Speaker 2: You know, my buddy, he's.

1125
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 3: A rock star and he travels all over and when

1126
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 3: he's home for longer than like thirty days, it's nothing personal.

1127
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:10,799
Speaker 3: It's just that he has to be back on the road.

1128
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 3: He just has to be going. It's not personal to anybody.

1129
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 3: He's not here to not see me or see anybody.

1130
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:18,000
Speaker 3: He's just like I'll see him at a show. Hey

1131
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 3: what's up, bro. He's like, Hey, what's up.

1132
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 2: Bro.

1133
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:21,879
Speaker 3: It's like I don't even have to go to his house,

1134
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:24,239
Speaker 3: he just has to go. And he's one guy that'll

1135
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 3: say I've been everywhere, but nowhere. At the same time,

1136
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:29,279
Speaker 3: he's like, I get to go all these places, these big,

1137
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 3: huge arenas, but I don't get to like really go

1138
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 3: explore and see the Appalachian Mountains or go into anywhere

1139
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:38,920
Speaker 3: past the Toronto Arena, you know what I mean. So

1140
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:41,080
Speaker 3: it's like kind of stuck in this nine to five

1141
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 3: of that, but has to always be going. And it

1142
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 3: seems like you are too. And are you saying that

1143
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:48,360
Speaker 3: you're seventy years old? Is that what you're telling me

1144
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 3: when you said sixty years ago? Yea, sixty five, sixty five,

1145
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:55,920
Speaker 3: So you've been doing this, You've been staying the course

1146
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:57,880
Speaker 3: in your life for sixty five years. So I just

1147
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:00,200
Speaker 3: want to let my listener know that there's advice to

1148
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 3: be taken from him because he is sixty five years old. Okay,

1149
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:08,879
Speaker 3: So he has lived his life through trees, through storms,

1150
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 3: through scaling cliff sides from hunting and gathering, and you know,

1151
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:17,360
Speaker 3: having executive producers tell him what lighting he needs.

1152
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:22,480
Speaker 4: Okay. Yeah, I was always my own executive producer, so

1153
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:25,400
Speaker 4: so I was on the point. Was they said a

1154
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 4: lot earlier in this podcast. So I had never had

1155
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 4: a boss telling me that I have to do this

1156
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:31,719
Speaker 4: or you know, I made sure I did it the

1157
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:34,359
Speaker 4: way I wanted to do it, and it's yeah. I mean,

1158
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:36,719
Speaker 4: at ten years of age, I knew what I would do,

1159
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:40,200
Speaker 4: but I wanted to accomplish my life, what goals I

1160
00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 4: wanted to achieve, and I kept focused on those the

1161
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 4: entire time. But one was the novel Call Me Hunt Roy.

1162
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:47,719
Speaker 2: It's exactly right.

1163
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:50,279
Speaker 4: I started that. I started my first novel when I

1164
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 4: was ten years old. I wrote, you know, I got

1165
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:55,759
Speaker 4: a book ten pages in and said, I haven't lived

1166
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:57,759
Speaker 4: a life yet. You know, I can barely write. I

1167
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:00,160
Speaker 4: couldn't even read before that. The game it's all and

1168
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:06,919
Speaker 4: call me Hunter because it's fairly autobiographical. The uh yeah

1169
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 4: I had, I had you'll you'll find it there. I

1170
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:13,759
Speaker 4: had to live life first, and that I penned the

1171
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 4: first words have called Me Hunter back in ninety two,

1172
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 4: ninety three, you know, as your Bago was dead, I

1173
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 4: hunted them down and I killed them and I started writing,

1174
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 4: and I, you know, realize still I had not lived

1175
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:26,600
Speaker 4: enough life, even though I lived another thirty years from

1176
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 4: when I first started forty years. You know, I need

1177
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:32,040
Speaker 4: to get out there and keep going until I had

1178
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:34,560
Speaker 4: a story to tell. And that's that, you know, that's

1179
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:37,160
Speaker 4: what that that novel is is. You know you said

1180
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 4: I'm sixty five. Yeah, I'm sixty five because I it

1181
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:42,480
Speaker 4: literally took me that long to live the life I

1182
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 4: needed to live to be able to have a story

1183
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 4: to tell that would be interest anybody. And I didn't

1184
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:50,320
Speaker 4: want to make it up out of the blue, which

1185
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 4: is a game. Why I said, go ahead. You know

1186
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:56,160
Speaker 4: there's there's lines in there that I know people are

1187
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 4: gonna say, Okay, that's bullshit, not both that's true.

1188
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:00,480
Speaker 2: Check it out.

1189
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 3: It's call me Hunter, all right and Jim Shocky, Jim,

1190
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 3: this book's gonna be out. Everybody's gonna be checking it out.

1191
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:08,520
Speaker 3: I have to give a shout out to my local

1192
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:10,480
Speaker 3: sporting goods store here because I went in and I

1193
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 3: was talking to him about some archery stuff before I interview,

1194
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:14,240
Speaker 3: so I knew about triggers.

1195
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 2: Okay, So I said, yeah, They're like, who are you

1196
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 2: going to interview?

1197
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:17,479
Speaker 4: Rad?

1198
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 3: I said, have you ever heard of Jim Shocky? And

1199
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:23,920
Speaker 3: they just stopped and they just looked at me. I

1200
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:25,800
Speaker 3: have to say it's at my local Shields right over here,

1201
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:27,200
Speaker 3: because the guy's at the archery counter.

1202
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:29,280
Speaker 2: Okay, at Shields in Sandy, Utah.

1203
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:32,200
Speaker 3: You boys over there, thank you for dropping what you're

1204
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:34,080
Speaker 3: doing to show me all the different techniques of the

1205
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:36,720
Speaker 3: triggers and everything over there, so that I could talk

1206
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:39,520
Speaker 3: to Jim and have a little more understanding, because Jim,

1207
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:42,280
Speaker 3: I come from a You're gonna wake up Saturday morning.

1208
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:43,680
Speaker 3: You're gonna go to the park, and I've got this

1209
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:45,200
Speaker 3: guy lined up and he's gonna teach you to do

1210
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 3: archery by my father. And my dad would wake me

1211
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 3: up seven in the morning, get up sunrise, You're going

1212
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:51,640
Speaker 3: up to the park and I would sit there and

1213
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:54,480
Speaker 3: do recurve and learn how to put recurve on and

1214
00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 3: learn how to shoot recurve. So all through boy scouts

1215
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:01,680
Speaker 3: and all through growing up of archery, and I was

1216
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:04,200
Speaker 3: really excited to talk to you about you know, everything

1217
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 3: that we have had on this conversation. So I just

1218
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 3: want to say thank you for just being awesome and

1219
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:12,280
Speaker 3: loving to your wife and your family and the museum.

1220
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 2: And where's that museum at.

1221
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:19,080
Speaker 4: It's Vancouver Island. So it's a little place called Duncan

1222
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:23,080
Speaker 4: Maple Bay. It's about one hour north of Victoria on

1223
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:27,760
Speaker 4: Vancouver Island and Victoria's capital of British Columbia. It's the

1224
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:30,200
Speaker 4: school that our kids went to school in Maple Vale Elementary.

1225
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:33,320
Speaker 4: Actually they built in sixty one and decommissioned in the

1226
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:36,880
Speaker 4: year two thousand and we bought it in near twenty fifteen.

1227
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:40,840
Speaker 4: You know, squatters lived in here. I took four forty

1228
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:44,520
Speaker 4: foot containers of personal garbage out of this place. We

1229
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:47,640
Speaker 4: bought it and there was no furnaces, all stolen, copper wiring,

1230
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 4: copper plumbing all stolen. It was a daryland building. My

1231
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 4: coore wife, she broke down a tear. She said, it's

1232
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:56,360
Speaker 4: a white hell fhant I said, I said, no I have.

1233
00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:57,400
Speaker 4: It's my vision.

1234
00:59:57,640 --> 01:00:00,080
Speaker 3: Oh look, yeah, vision, I see it.

1235
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:05,520
Speaker 4: You know, we had over twenty six thousand visitors last year.

1236
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:08,880
Speaker 4: We'll have over over thirty thousand this year. Donation only

1237
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:12,880
Speaker 4: anybody can walk in the door and it's the hand

1238
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:15,840
Speaker 4: of Man. Anybody can google that hand of Man. Museum

1239
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:20,720
Speaker 4: of Natural History, Cultural Arts and Conservation and call me hunter.

1240
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:24,800
Speaker 4: Is is based on a game. It's all part of this,

1241
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:29,200
Speaker 4: part of this whole journey. The story of a life

1242
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:34,000
Speaker 4: lived beyond the panis and that's the museum is a

1243
01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:37,720
Speaker 4: big part of that, the collecting the art world because

1244
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:40,600
Speaker 4: there's a lot of cultural arts in here that That's

1245
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:43,000
Speaker 4: what the premise of the story called Me Hunter is

1246
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:48,120
Speaker 4: all about, is that underground of the we're collecting becomes

1247
01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:51,840
Speaker 4: an obsession. You know, it becomes pathological for some people.

1248
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:55,080
Speaker 4: And the more money you have, you know, just the

1249
01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:59,320
Speaker 4: worth of more, the further you'll go to gather whatever

1250
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:01,640
Speaker 4: it is, steal it whatever.

1251
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:02,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's your passion.

1252
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:09,600
Speaker 4: Then it becomes mutated into something beyond that. And you know,

1253
01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:12,560
Speaker 4: there's a healthy level of collecting. I might be just

1254
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:14,680
Speaker 4: past that level when you walk in here, you'll see

1255
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:19,120
Speaker 4: that thousands of pieces, but you know there's a level

1256
01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:21,920
Speaker 4: where it gets to where it's mutated into something that's evil.

1257
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:25,520
Speaker 4: And that that's what Calming Hunters that comes to the

1258
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:28,120
Speaker 4: story is that it's based in the art world and

1259
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:34,080
Speaker 4: collecting people that have an innate ability to recognize beauty.

1260
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:37,520
Speaker 4: You don't see it, you know you feel it and

1261
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:41,280
Speaker 4: you know it allever that sense is triggered. So so

1262
01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:45,520
Speaker 4: that's that's what it's about, is is that that lifetime

1263
01:01:45,560 --> 01:01:47,160
Speaker 4: of collecting for this museum.

1264
01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:49,640
Speaker 3: Well, if you're out there listening and you're in the area,

1265
01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:51,560
Speaker 3: you should go check out the museum. And if you're

1266
01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:52,840
Speaker 3: not in the area and you're going to go visit

1267
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:55,080
Speaker 3: the area, you should go check out the museum. Or

1268
01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:58,040
Speaker 3: you can probably just visit something down below that we're

1269
01:01:58,040 --> 01:01:59,600
Speaker 3: going to have typed out that might have like a

1270
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:02,800
Speaker 3: donat to keep the museum also donated. If there's some

1271
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:04,840
Speaker 3: type of a link, we'll ask for that later and

1272
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:06,880
Speaker 3: my guys will put that in the back back end

1273
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:08,040
Speaker 3: on the website for you.

1274
01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:09,440
Speaker 2: So there's just an extra link.

1275
01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:11,520
Speaker 3: If somebody wants to click it and send you like

1276
01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:16,520
Speaker 3: a moose knuckle, don't do that.

1277
01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:19,680
Speaker 4: Please, don't do that.

1278
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:23,360
Speaker 2: Tell me, no, don't do that. Don't do that.

1279
01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:26,640
Speaker 3: Only if you're a little billy and you're in the area.

1280
01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:30,240
Speaker 4: Anybody you can Google call me a Google handed Man

1281
01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:31,440
Speaker 4: Museum and it'll come up.

1282
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:33,960
Speaker 2: I mean, they're just yeah, we'll have that, we'll have

1283
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:35,000
Speaker 2: that posted up there for you.

1284
01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:37,360
Speaker 4: Jim. Sure. Yeah.

1285
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Speaker 3: Well listen, I've had you, I've had you for over

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Speaker 3: an hour. You're great, and I now want to get

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Speaker 3: you back to the love of your life, which is

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Speaker 3: not me okay, and so I love the look.

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Speaker 4: Not quite my touch. Remember I said you feel beauty. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: it's just.

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Speaker 3: I've got some hands though, I can get your shoulders.

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Speaker 3: So I gave a shout out to the boys over

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Speaker 3: my arch recounter. I love talking to you, and I

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Speaker 3: think that you're a wonderful guest and you're a welcome

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Speaker 3: addition to our soft Rep mafia family that we have

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Speaker 3: ever growing in the special operations community. You're just as

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Speaker 3: special operations as special operations, all right.

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Speaker 2: So that's how we're gonna look at it.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna go ahead and sign off with us saying

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Speaker 3: thank you Jim Shockey for being a part of our lives.

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Speaker 3: Call Me Hunter is going to be out in all

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Speaker 3: the bookstores if you can find it in a local

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Speaker 3: mom and pop. Please support local mom and pop bookstores.

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Speaker 3: They are doing a good favor for us all. I

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Speaker 3: also want to mention our book club for Soft Rep.

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Speaker 3: Please check that out, and again the merch store, and

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Speaker 3: a big salute to Jim. Thank you for being on

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Speaker 3: the show.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's been a pleasure, lots of fun. I'm looking

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Speaker 4: forward to being on a gate someday.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, can I get a thumbs up from your hand.

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Speaker 2: Is he there? Can we get a thumbs up from you? Yeah? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: bring him over there.

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Speaker 3: It is.

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Speaker 4: All right.

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Speaker 2: Well you have a wonderful day. And this is Brad

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Speaker 2: say in peace.

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Speaker 1: Use been listening to self Red Radio