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Speaker 1: Awesome. Welcome back to the third episode of Cardinal Territory.

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Speaker 1: I'm Katie Wu. He's Trevor Rosenthal. We officially survived one

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Speaker 1: week of the show. Trevor, how are you feeling?

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Speaker 2: I am doing great, Katie. It's Christmas time? How are you?

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Speaker 1: It is Christmas time. I'm back in California. I'm visiting

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Speaker 1: my family. I just I'm a last minute everything kind

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Speaker 1: of person. It's why I'm a reporter. I'll write on

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Speaker 1: deadline it's my best work, and I have that same

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Speaker 1: energy for Christmas shopping. So I have been putting in

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Speaker 1: work the last two days, and I have one more round.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna knock it out right after this, and then

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Speaker 1: I will actually feel like it'll be a festive time.

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Speaker 1: My heart goes out to the baseball reporters who have

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Speaker 1: had to deal with an insane weekend. A ton of

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Speaker 1: moves were made just off the top of my head.

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Speaker 1: Heyesusiszarno goes to Philadelphia. That rotation is going to be nasty.

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Speaker 1: Sean and Ayah back to the Mets. Josh Peterson is

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Speaker 1: a ranger. I mean, we can go on and on.

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Speaker 1: Walker Buehler goes to the Red Sox, and then of

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Speaker 1: course the very sad news that the Hall of Famer

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Speaker 1: So that was all very sad, but some big news

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Speaker 1: in Cardinals land as well. Paul Goldschmidt. He's going to

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Speaker 1: be in Pintrick's reports on Saturday said that Goldie signed

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Speaker 1: a one year, twelve point five million dollar contract with

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Speaker 1: the New York Yankees, effectively ending his time in Saint Louis. Trevor,

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Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on the gold Schmidt deal and

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Speaker 1: then the Goldschmidt era here in Saint Louis.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, as a Cardinal fan, I think you

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Speaker 3: That Goldie was.

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Speaker 2: You know, doning the birds on the bat, I mean,

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Speaker 2: really seemed to get him, maybe not his prime, but

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Speaker 2: you know, arguably a Hall of Fame player and certainly

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Speaker 2: a Hall of Fame individual. Everything that I've heard from

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Speaker 2: teammates of Goldie is that he's an incredible person, but

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Speaker 2: you know, his numbers really speak for it, being a

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Speaker 2: you know, he was an All Star in twenty two

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Speaker 2: So I think as a Cardinal fan, I'm happy the

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Speaker 2: time that we got to enjoy Paul, and then you

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Speaker 2: have to be happy to guy go into the Yankees.

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Speaker 2: I mean, granted, the grass isn't he always greener on

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Speaker 2: the other side, but you know, as a player, you

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Speaker 2: always hold a certain amount of respect for the New

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Speaker 3: So you know, I'm.

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Speaker 2: Happy for Paul to go out and continue his career

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Speaker 2: and have another opportunity to do that in a winning

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Speaker 2: and winning organization, a winning environment. So I'm super happy

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Speaker 2: for him. Obviously, he's this is where he wanted to go, right,

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Speaker 2: Like the ball is kind of in your court when

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Speaker 2: you put together career like Paul Goldschmid hash when you

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Speaker 2: I'm sure there was a lot of people coming knocking

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Speaker 2: happy for Paul. What do you What do you think, Katie,

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Speaker 2: What do you think about Paul. You got to work

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Speaker 2: with him the last few years.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know it's always sad because you cover

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Speaker 1: players and you have this, you know, the professional boundary

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Speaker 1: of course, but Goldschmidt from day one was nothing but

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Speaker 1: a total pro. And to have him for you know,

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Speaker 1: when I first started covering the Cardinals in twenty one,

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Speaker 1: it or not, talking to gold Schmidt helped me become

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Speaker 1: kind of spiraling and was like, am I are we

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Speaker 1: sure I'm doing this right? Just such a respective figure

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Speaker 1: Trevor right, like, this is a guy. When you think

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Speaker 1: back throughout his Cardinals tenure, four postseason appearances, gold Glove

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Speaker 1: And you know what I'll remember most is not the

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Speaker 1: there is so much to be excited about. But then

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Speaker 1: free agency. Like that's crazy. He's been in the game

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Speaker 1: for I mean, he was someone that I watched growing

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Speaker 1: his rookie years. We have like a photoshopped thing that

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Speaker 1: sure he's hoping that his numbers in twenty five will

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Speaker 1: trimming payroll. And I firmly believe this is my speculation

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Speaker 1: that they would have extended him. But unfortunately, you know,

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Speaker 1: interested to see how Goldschmidt does in New York. You know,

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Speaker 1: be a prime bounced back candidate. You never know. And

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Speaker 1: when Paul Goldschmidt is really locked in, when he's hitting

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I didn't really I didn't think about

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Speaker 2: that just shows up every day with the level of excellence.

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Speaker 2: And this is something I mean, the Cardinals have to

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Speaker 2: the result of so many players like Goldman. Granted their

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Speaker 2: but that does have an effect on your young players,

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Speaker 2: that has a down year, it's hard to really quantify

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Speaker 2: the effect that he had on those players outside of

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Speaker 2: who are we putting around them? Who's going to set

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Speaker 2: you know, you're right, the Yankees are. They should be excited.

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Speaker 2: The Yankee fan, theay should be excited to get a

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Speaker 3: Happy for him to continue that legacy. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, I think you're spot on. And I'm not sure

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Speaker 1: I hope it'll be remembered fondly, But you know, one

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Speaker 1: He is just absolute must watch baseball. For most of

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Speaker 1: this just kind of derailed everything. So to hear him

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Speaker 1: the Goldschmidt era. It's complicated, right, like there were so

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Speaker 1: a it's hard to fathom. You know, what that quarter

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Speaker 3: Oh my goodness.

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Speaker 2: I mean not not easy guys to replace, certainly Paul

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Speaker 2: gold Smith. And then you know, we were talking about

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Speaker 2: we know the talent is one thing, but the experience

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Speaker 1: Proll perfect segue. You're on it. Let's talk about what

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Speaker 1: we know about half of it, right, Mason, when he's

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Speaker 1: not going anywhere, he'll be that shortstop. You know, the

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Speaker 1: I always thought that when you signed a five year,

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Speaker 1: they make a jump. We'll see, But it's all so connected.

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Speaker 1: And the reason we've been talking about Nolan over this

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Speaker 1: entire offseason is because it really is the Cardinal's most

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Speaker 1: pressing needs. So I expect that conversation to continue into January.

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Speaker 1: And hey, you know what if he's not traded, come

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Speaker 1: pitchers and catchers. He's coming off what he would say

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Speaker 1: is his worst career, his worst year of his career.

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Speaker 1: He's motivated. He can play himself out, or maybe he

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Speaker 1: figures out like, hey I can I can tough this

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Speaker 1: out and I want to be here and the Cardinals

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Speaker 1: win some games. So we'll see. Not the worst thing

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Speaker 1: in the world either way, but certainly a compelling storyline nonetheless.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, not a bad situation either way. I mean, he

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Speaker 2: he was excited to come to Saint Louis from Colorado,

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Speaker 2: and I'm sure he's happy there.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure he wished that there.

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Speaker 2: Was some more playoffs game playoff games that he had

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Speaker 2: But no, he'll be happy and it will be interesting,

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Speaker 2: you know. You know, you know one thing I think

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Speaker 2: for all the players that you mentioned involved is everybody's

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Speaker 2: wondering am I going to be here? Is this an opportunity,

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Speaker 3: I better show up, I better do well.

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Speaker 2: And and when you have players thinking that way, I mean,

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Speaker 2: it's good for the Cardinals too. Everybody's wants the best

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Speaker 2: for themselves and in turn that that works out well

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Speaker 2: for or the organization. But the other thing I've seen

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Speaker 2: they view the assets that they own. Do they have,

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Speaker 2: do they overvalue them?

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Speaker 3: Sometimes? Are they expecting maybe more in return?

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Speaker 2: And that's what causes these roadblocks and causes these deals

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Speaker 3: Should they be more realistic? I don't know. I haven't

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Speaker 2: I don't see the behind the scenes, but I know

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Speaker 2: obvious that a player should be moved at a certain

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Speaker 2: and then that window closes and you're kind of stuck

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Speaker 2: with them at that point. And so you know, in

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Speaker 2: the rebuilding year or or a pivot sort of year,

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure how we're categorizing it, but I think.

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Speaker 1: It's there's so many different ways.

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Speaker 3: There's so many different ways to spin it.

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Speaker 2: But you would hope with a guy like Aeronauto, a

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Speaker 2: guy like Matt Sveetti, whoever it may be, that you

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Speaker 2: don't put too much value on that asset and miss

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Speaker 2: out on an opportunity to bring in some players that

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Speaker 2: could have an impact for the future of the organization.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and Cardinals fans are familiar with players that the

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Speaker 1: organization perhaps kept too long, Tyler O'Neil, Dylan Carlson. The

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Speaker 1: list goes on and on, but hey, that's in the

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Speaker 1: past and we are looking towards the future. On this podcast.

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Speaker 1: We are looking forward to twenty twenty five, which will

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Speaker 1: be here sooner than we think. But first we'll celebrate

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Speaker 1: the holidays. So that's a wrap for episode three. You

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Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts, and most importantly, very happy

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Speaker 1: holidays from Trevor and myself. We're so happy that you

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Speaker 1: have joined us for this podcast, and we hope you

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Speaker 1: continue to Trevor, what you got sign us off?

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Speaker 2: Hey, Merry Christmas, Katie, this is what an exciting time

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Speaker 2: to reign in the new year CT. I mean, this

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Speaker 2: is my gift, right, this is the gift that I

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Speaker 2: got for.

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Speaker 3: Christmas this year.

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Speaker 2: A new show with Miss Katie Wu and Cardinal Territory,

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Speaker 2: a spin off of the Foul Territory Network. I'm excited

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Speaker 2: big things to come ahead, and I've enjoyed it very

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Speaker 2: much so far. So yeah, follow along with us. I

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Speaker 2: think this is gonna be an exciting time and hopefully

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Speaker 2: between Katie and myself, obviously we have two different backgrounds,

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Speaker 2: but hopefully we can bring an interesting spin on all

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Speaker 2: the action that is going to come and take place

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Speaker 2: over these next few months.

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Speaker 1: Right like this is the off season, We're in like

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Speaker 1: the dead period. Just wait, just wait till we're like

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Speaker 1: in the dog days and then we're just off the rails.

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Speaker 1: It can only go up from here. Fore cover. I

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Speaker 1: am Katie Wu. We will talk to you Trevor next week.

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Speaker 1: I'll be with you guys on Friday. Have a very

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Speaker 1: merry Christmas, Happy holidays. We will talk soon