WEBVTT - Talkin' Cowboys: Bold Draft Predictions 0:00:01.880 --> 0:00:04.400 The following. He's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:04.440 --> 0:00:15.360 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This he's Talking Cowboys, 0:00:15.800 --> 0:00:19.200 screaming live from the Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at the 0:00:19.280 --> 0:00:31.639 Star in Frisco, Sat. Welcome into an odd version of 0:00:31.720 --> 0:00:35.120 Talking Cowboys. It looks a little bit different because it's 0:00:35.280 --> 0:00:39.199 Draft Eve than We've got plenty in store once Thursday 0:00:39.320 --> 0:00:43.800 rolls around as the twenty twenty NFL Draft is finally here. 0:00:43.800 --> 0:00:46.040 But we're gonna bring you all the content, all the 0:00:46.080 --> 0:00:49.640 information that you need to know leading into Draft Day. 0:00:49.760 --> 0:00:54.560 We are Talking Cowboys. Kyle Yeoman's here alongside Rob Phillips, HECKM. Harrison, 0:00:54.800 --> 0:00:58.200 and back for a second straight week, the great Isaiah Standback, 0:00:58.240 --> 0:01:01.800 former Dallas Cowboys. We continue to get you ready for 0:01:01.920 --> 0:01:05.759 the NFL Draft, and guys, it's crazy. Tomorrow's the Draft. 0:01:05.800 --> 0:01:09.319 We're just over twenty four hours away from our recording 0:01:09.360 --> 0:01:14.199 of this podcast and you still don't necessarily know exactly 0:01:14.240 --> 0:01:17.240 where the Cowboys are gonna go. There's so many different options. 0:01:17.360 --> 0:01:22.400 Edge rusher, cornerback, wide receiver. Who's gonna fall to seventeen 0:01:22.480 --> 0:01:25.200 if the Cowboys even pick at seventeen? And Rob, I 0:01:26.200 --> 0:01:28.960 know you've been around the draft for almost I guess 0:01:29.120 --> 0:01:33.240 how many years now, maybe a decade. I think it's 0:01:33.280 --> 0:01:36.240 like fifteen years on and off. I've lost track myself, 0:01:36.680 --> 0:01:41.319 but something like that. Yeah. But is this just the craziest, 0:01:41.360 --> 0:01:44.680 most wide open possibilities that you've ever seen leading into 0:01:44.800 --> 0:01:49.360 Draft Day? Yeah? And I think you know, Cowboys officials 0:01:49.400 --> 0:01:51.880 touched on that during the pre draft press conference in 0:01:51.960 --> 0:01:55.360 that because you're at seventeen, you're right on the edge 0:01:55.440 --> 0:01:59.720 of that top half of the first round, and it's 0:02:00.120 --> 0:02:02.040 way if you if you want to be pessimistic about it, 0:02:02.080 --> 0:02:04.160 you're a no man's land a little bit because you're 0:02:04.200 --> 0:02:06.600 you're at the mercy of all these teams in front 0:02:06.600 --> 0:02:09.000 of you. However, I think the Cowboys are looking at 0:02:09.000 --> 0:02:11.720 it from an optimistic standpoint that they're gonna have options. 0:02:11.760 --> 0:02:16.000 They feel good about the overall talent in this year's class, 0:02:16.080 --> 0:02:20.040 especially those first round prospects, and they're gonna have some options, 0:02:20.080 --> 0:02:23.840 whether they stay put, which they've done the last six drafts, 0:02:24.080 --> 0:02:26.880 and just pick the best player available to them, or 0:02:27.040 --> 0:02:29.280 they try to find a dance partner and move back. 0:02:29.320 --> 0:02:32.160 I mean that's something they've done before. Jerry Jones rounds 0:02:32.240 --> 0:02:35.280 that about Travis Frederick in twenty thirteen, where they were 0:02:35.320 --> 0:02:37.600 able to move back from eighteen, which is right almost 0:02:37.639 --> 0:02:41.760 the same spot at seventeen thirteen spots back got a 0:02:41.840 --> 0:02:45.040 future you know, five time pro bowler. So that's kind 0:02:45.040 --> 0:02:48.440 of how they see this as as potential options and flexibility. 0:02:48.440 --> 0:02:50.120 Of course you got to have it takes two to 0:02:50.480 --> 0:02:52.399 tango there. But we'll see how they got to see 0:02:52.400 --> 0:02:55.520 how the board you know falls here in the next 0:02:55.560 --> 0:02:59.519 you know, couple days here, it seems like it really 0:02:59.680 --> 0:03:02.720 is in a foregone conclusion on whether or not those 0:03:02.760 --> 0:03:05.320 trades are even gonna happen. Of course, they had a 0:03:05.360 --> 0:03:08.160 mock draft the other day, and even in the first pick, 0:03:08.200 --> 0:03:11.160 when the Cowboys traded up to the first overall pick, 0:03:11.680 --> 0:03:13.960 it was all a mock. It was all scripted. Cowboys fans, 0:03:13.960 --> 0:03:17.160 don't get into it, don't get too crazy. And because 0:03:17.160 --> 0:03:20.120 they took also Trey Adams offensive tackle out of Washington, 0:03:20.200 --> 0:03:23.760 which was kind of an odd pick. But it just 0:03:23.800 --> 0:03:25.880 seems like things are going to be a lot more 0:03:26.200 --> 0:03:29.560 clunky whenever it comes to the draft moving forward. Man, 0:03:30.000 --> 0:03:34.960 this is an unprecedented territory with this draft, and I'm 0:03:35.000 --> 0:03:38.920 looking for something crazy to happen tomorrow at the top 0:03:39.000 --> 0:03:41.360 quarter of this draft. But I think this, I really 0:03:41.400 --> 0:03:44.720 look at seventeen for the Cowboys. We're sitting pretty you know, 0:03:44.880 --> 0:03:48.320 if there's anything that happened, someone falls, you know, there 0:03:48.360 --> 0:03:51.040 may be a player that we'd never even imagined that 0:03:51.080 --> 0:03:54.720 would be there for us, or you know, history repeats itself, 0:03:55.080 --> 0:03:59.040 as Jerry Jones stated yesterday, and we may trade out 0:03:59.080 --> 0:04:01.240 and go back to pick up a stud as well. 0:04:01.280 --> 0:04:03.320 And so I'm really excited about where we are a 0:04:03.360 --> 0:04:07.920 seventeen and just excited to see how this draft pans out. Well, 0:04:07.960 --> 0:04:10.600 you know, the thing with seventeen is that things could 0:04:10.640 --> 0:04:13.120 work out so well for you because some of those 0:04:13.160 --> 0:04:16.280 top fifteen players could drop or things could go oh 0:04:16.320 --> 0:04:18.400 so wrong, and then you've got to, like Rob said, 0:04:18.440 --> 0:04:21.120 find a dance partner and kind of go back and forth. 0:04:21.120 --> 0:04:24.240 That's kind of the craziness with being around the seventeenth pick. 0:04:24.240 --> 0:04:26.440 And then you add the wrench in of it being 0:04:26.480 --> 0:04:30.520 a virtual draft in Isaiah, no surprise here, you're the 0:04:30.600 --> 0:04:33.120 one of the four of us who have actually been drafted. 0:04:34.480 --> 0:04:37.720 Is the only one that's been drafted. Is there any 0:04:37.760 --> 0:04:42.120 possibility at all that this takes away from the dreams 0:04:42.120 --> 0:04:44.760 that are being kind of fulfilled over the next couple 0:04:44.800 --> 0:04:47.960 of days. I think for those first round guys, I 0:04:48.040 --> 0:04:50.040 think I think it definitely does. I think those guys 0:04:50.040 --> 0:04:52.520 really look forward to you probably in the last half 0:04:52.520 --> 0:04:54.960 of their collegiate career. I think they really look forward 0:04:54.960 --> 0:04:56.640 to that draft day, right if they know they're gonna 0:04:56.640 --> 0:04:58.279 be a first round guy, you know, if they like 0:04:58.400 --> 0:05:00.719 that kind of attention. I wasn't there that guy I was. 0:05:00.760 --> 0:05:02.960 If ibably got invited to the draft, I'll probably stay 0:05:02.960 --> 0:05:04.240 at the house with the family, you know, in the 0:05:04.240 --> 0:05:06.280 living room or something. But I think for those guys 0:05:06.279 --> 0:05:08.680 that like that, like that stardom and really want to 0:05:08.720 --> 0:05:10.520 be there, I think this does hurt them and it 0:05:10.560 --> 0:05:12.239 hurts their vision. But at the end of the day, 0:05:12.400 --> 0:05:15.039 it's a long career. Hopefully it's a long career, and 0:05:15.160 --> 0:05:16.920 you know this is a small portion of it, and 0:05:16.960 --> 0:05:19.000 you're still blessed it, you know, to get drafted and 0:05:19.120 --> 0:05:21.360 even be invited, I mean, you can get the same 0:05:21.400 --> 0:05:24.760 conversations as a first round draft pick. So for those guys, 0:05:24.839 --> 0:05:26.880 I think it man affect some of those guys, But 0:05:27.120 --> 0:05:29.640 for the majority or guys like myself that were you know, 0:05:30.000 --> 0:05:31.760 you know, day two guys, I think they would be 0:05:31.800 --> 0:05:35.240 perfectly fine. What was your draft day? Like? You were 0:05:35.240 --> 0:05:38.720 selected fourth round by the Dallas Cowboys. Just kind of 0:05:38.839 --> 0:05:41.560 take us through exactly how that day went for you 0:05:41.640 --> 0:05:44.839 and was it as stress free or was it as 0:05:44.839 --> 0:05:48.560 stressful as some say about it. It was very stressful 0:05:48.560 --> 0:05:51.159 for myself because I was coming off a pretty traumatic injury. 0:05:51.480 --> 0:05:54.880 I had sustained Liz frank injury my senior back in October, 0:05:54.960 --> 0:05:58.160 halfway through my senior season. So from October all the 0:05:58.160 --> 0:06:00.920 way into them until now, I had and touched the field, 0:06:00.960 --> 0:06:03.599 and you know, scouts didn't have idea what I was doing, 0:06:03.680 --> 0:06:05.800 how healthy I was. So by the time I went 0:06:05.800 --> 0:06:07.880 through the combines and all those things, the only thing 0:06:07.880 --> 0:06:10.360 that they had on me was previous tape from you know, 0:06:10.720 --> 0:06:14.440 six months ago, and you know whatever kind of you know, 0:06:14.720 --> 0:06:16.520 health you know, health assessments that they did for me 0:06:16.680 --> 0:06:19.320 at the combine and on my visits. So draft day 0:06:19.400 --> 0:06:21.640 was a little crazy because I wasn't sure if I 0:06:21.680 --> 0:06:23.760 was gonna be on the first day, which back then 0:06:23.880 --> 0:06:26.200 was the first three rounds on the day one, and 0:06:26.240 --> 0:06:29.560 then Day two was four through seven, So I wasn't sure, 0:06:29.640 --> 0:06:32.039 so literally, I sat on sat around waiting by the 0:06:32.080 --> 0:06:35.159 phone all day long, thinking I might be a second 0:06:35.200 --> 0:06:37.400 or third round guy simply because of my injury, you know, 0:06:37.440 --> 0:06:39.240 and some teams didn't want to take the risk on me, 0:06:39.440 --> 0:06:41.560 didn't think I could come back from that. So by 0:06:41.600 --> 0:06:44.360 the end of day one, I realized that I wasn't 0:06:44.640 --> 0:06:47.880 playing some video games at the local RC with my family, 0:06:47.920 --> 0:06:51.279 and I started receiving phone calls early the next morning. 0:06:52.360 --> 0:06:54.240 I say, I kind of missed those days when we 0:06:54.320 --> 0:06:56.120 just packed it all into two days, you know, just 0:06:56.240 --> 0:06:59.960 knock it all out, but remind me we're the cowboy. 0:07:00.040 --> 0:07:02.080 He's looking at you. They talk to you before the 0:07:02.160 --> 0:07:04.359 draft about being a receiver and said a quarterbacker, how 0:07:04.400 --> 0:07:07.440 many teams were interested in you making that switch that 0:07:07.480 --> 0:07:10.200 you ultimately did. Yeah, it was it was half and half. 0:07:10.240 --> 0:07:12.480 I was saying, I think I think I kind of 0:07:12.480 --> 0:07:14.200 had like three parts. I had teams that didn't think 0:07:14.200 --> 0:07:15.800 I was gonna be able to come back from that 0:07:15.920 --> 0:07:18.640 traumatic injury because most guys that had it previously didn't 0:07:18.640 --> 0:07:21.080 come back. So I had that that that third of 0:07:21.120 --> 0:07:23.080 the of the league that didn't want to touch me. 0:07:23.200 --> 0:07:24.720 I had a third of the league that wanted me 0:07:24.840 --> 0:07:27.880 as an athlete, right who wanted me as the you know, 0:07:27.960 --> 0:07:31.680 receiver slash whatever um And then that which I think 0:07:31.720 --> 0:07:33.960 Dallas fell in fell into that category. And then I 0:07:33.960 --> 0:07:36.600 had the organizations like the New England Patriots, you know, 0:07:36.760 --> 0:07:40.480 Coach Belichick in and U and Billy O'Brien, those guys 0:07:40.480 --> 0:07:43.200 wanted me at quarterback. So you know, I got my Obviously, 0:07:43.240 --> 0:07:46.000 I got drafted by the Cowboys and Garry tell me, Isaiah, 0:07:46.040 --> 0:07:47.800 we're gonna get you with this pick, and you're gonna 0:07:47.800 --> 0:07:53.680 play receiver for and and that's that's when I found 0:07:53.680 --> 0:07:56.239 I was playing receiver for the Cowboys. And then you know, obviously, 0:07:56.280 --> 0:07:58.080 once I left the Cowboys, the next phone call I 0:07:58.120 --> 0:08:00.400 got with Bill Belichick, he said, hey, can you still 0:08:00.440 --> 0:08:01.960 throw the ball, but we're about to drop to you 0:08:01.960 --> 0:08:04.640 as a quarterback. It's crazy, man, it's crazy if you 0:08:04.720 --> 0:08:08.360 were if you're in that athlete category, Man, where did 0:08:08.360 --> 0:08:10.720 you learn to pick up a Jerry Jones impression that 0:08:10.800 --> 0:08:16.320 was as spot on as that one? That's my guy, man, 0:08:18.040 --> 0:08:20.080 there you go. He may he helped make your dreams 0:08:20.080 --> 0:08:22.520 come true. And there's two hundred and fifty five plus 0:08:22.600 --> 0:08:25.360 dreams that are going to come true. This weekend, and 0:08:25.760 --> 0:08:28.880 in terms of the Cowboys, we saw kind of a 0:08:29.000 --> 0:08:31.960 piece behind the curtain, but also not really whenever it 0:08:32.000 --> 0:08:36.319 came to the re draft press conference, it was a 0:08:36.360 --> 0:08:40.840 call much like this over WebEx where Stephen Jones, Jerry Jones, 0:08:40.960 --> 0:08:44.520 and Mike McCarthy were addressed by the media and kind 0:08:44.520 --> 0:08:47.640 of talk to about some of their pre draft plans. Rob, 0:08:47.679 --> 0:08:49.760 you were a part of that that media group that 0:08:49.840 --> 0:08:53.240 got to talk to Jerry and Stephen. What were some 0:08:53.280 --> 0:08:55.520 of the things that were kind of brought up that 0:08:55.640 --> 0:08:58.200 kind of peaked your interest at least over the course 0:08:58.240 --> 0:09:01.080 of that hour or so phone calls. Well, I think 0:09:01.160 --> 0:09:03.240 when they have these, they have these every year, and 0:09:03.240 --> 0:09:06.400 you're right, it was a very different format. Everybody's still 0:09:06.400 --> 0:09:08.920 trying to figure out, virtually including us, how to do this. 0:09:09.520 --> 0:09:11.480 But it went it went fine, and there were some 0:09:11.480 --> 0:09:13.520 good tidbits that came out of it. I think when 0:09:13.559 --> 0:09:15.679 you when you listen to those, you have to kind 0:09:15.679 --> 0:09:18.520 of read between the lines because cowboys don't want to 0:09:18.520 --> 0:09:21.040 tip their hand. They want to accommodate the media, but 0:09:21.120 --> 0:09:22.760 they don't want to tell you exactly what they want 0:09:22.800 --> 0:09:24.880 to do, and you know, to a certain extent to 0:09:24.960 --> 0:09:26.920 a large extent. They don't know what's going to happen. 0:09:27.000 --> 0:09:30.120 That's why seventeen can open up a lot of different possibilities. 0:09:30.160 --> 0:09:34.800 I think it's it's valid that they're not really sure, 0:09:35.840 --> 0:09:37.760 and you know, and they told us too that they 0:09:37.760 --> 0:09:43.040 didn't feel like they're tied to any particular position. We'll see. 0:09:43.080 --> 0:09:45.280 I mean, I think corner and pass rush, we've talked 0:09:45.280 --> 0:09:48.640 about that for many weeks. Those still appear to be 0:09:48.720 --> 0:09:51.679 even after the first pay agency, those still appear to 0:09:51.840 --> 0:09:56.480 be the major needs. But you know, we'll see. Maybe 0:09:56.880 --> 0:09:59.160 there's some other things they're looking at. I thought Mike 0:09:59.200 --> 0:10:01.920 McCarthy said up thing interesting at one point in that 0:10:02.000 --> 0:10:05.440 talking about pass rush. You don't necessarily have to go 0:10:05.559 --> 0:10:09.480 the traditional route, as you know, as in a hand 0:10:09.520 --> 0:10:13.000 on the ground defensive end guy. You know, if they're 0:10:13.000 --> 0:10:15.040 going to be multiple and he called them a four 0:10:15.160 --> 0:10:18.840 three defense, maybe you can you know, attack in different 0:10:18.840 --> 0:10:21.640 ways and use your linebackers and things of that nature. 0:10:21.679 --> 0:10:24.679 So could they be looking at linebacker, We'll see if 0:10:24.679 --> 0:10:27.120 they trade down. Could they be looking at another position 0:10:28.240 --> 0:10:31.880 like offensive line? Although when I asked the question about center, 0:10:31.920 --> 0:10:35.319 he mentioned the two Connors. He threw in Connor Williams 0:10:35.320 --> 0:10:37.920 there as well as a guy that could I guess 0:10:37.960 --> 0:10:40.520 compete for the position or at least something they're thinking about. 0:10:40.760 --> 0:10:44.560 So it sounded like they like the depth there. But 0:10:44.720 --> 0:10:47.880 overall they usually tell us this, they're not worried about 0:10:47.920 --> 0:10:50.440 any particular position, but they've got to have some things 0:10:50.440 --> 0:10:52.400 in mind on what they need and what they still 0:10:52.400 --> 0:10:55.120 need to address. Man, it was a great deal of 0:10:55.200 --> 0:10:58.600 posturing going on. They're not tipping their hand on anything, 0:10:58.720 --> 0:11:01.160 and you can just tell just by the questions that 0:11:01.200 --> 0:11:04.000 they were being asked that, look, although we may they 0:11:04.040 --> 0:11:06.719 may have an idea about who they're gonna go with, 0:11:06.880 --> 0:11:10.000 they're not letting anyone know which direction they're going in 0:11:10.040 --> 0:11:12.360 because they know that everyone is looking at that press 0:11:12.360 --> 0:11:14.320 conference as well. But one of the great things that 0:11:14.360 --> 0:11:17.520 I took from the press conference was Mike McCarthy talking 0:11:17.559 --> 0:11:21.319 about the uniqueness of this situation and being with a 0:11:21.400 --> 0:11:24.960 guy like Will McClay, and also Jerry Jones and Stephen 0:11:25.080 --> 0:11:28.360 talking about how Will McClay is all inclusive with the 0:11:28.400 --> 0:11:32.640 scouts and the coaches, everybody coming in together to have 0:11:32.760 --> 0:11:35.440 a brain trust that knows that once these you know, 0:11:35.480 --> 0:11:38.120 these guys start to fall on the board that they 0:11:38.160 --> 0:11:40.720 already know which guys that they're going to attack. And 0:11:40.760 --> 0:11:42.720 I talked about this last week as far as that 0:11:42.800 --> 0:11:48.040 infrastructure already being there, and when coach Mike McCarthy spoke 0:11:48.040 --> 0:11:49.800 to that, I thought that that was the one thing 0:11:49.840 --> 0:11:53.040 that I really feel strongly about going into this weekend 0:11:53.120 --> 0:11:58.559 under these unique circumstances. I don't agree, I don't disagree 0:11:58.559 --> 0:12:00.720 with you. I want everybody to know if you guys 0:12:00.800 --> 0:12:02.880 don't know what a draft board looks like. All right, 0:12:02.880 --> 0:12:05.520 all the fans out there, these guys, these scouts, these 0:12:05.520 --> 0:12:08.199 guys have been working hard for the last year right 0:12:08.240 --> 0:12:11.120 on this particular class, and these guys have at every position. 0:12:11.160 --> 0:12:13.360 They're about ten deep on the board where they have 0:12:13.400 --> 0:12:16.200 everybody's name and ask people get picked, they take that 0:12:16.320 --> 0:12:18.400 name away, and they still know who their next man 0:12:18.559 --> 0:12:20.720 up is should they have the opportunity to pick for 0:12:20.760 --> 0:12:23.679 that particular position. So all the fans out there, there's 0:12:23.679 --> 0:12:25.679 somebody out there that you want, and they get taken 0:12:25.679 --> 0:12:28.120 before the cowboys have their picks. Don't worry. The scouts 0:12:28.120 --> 0:12:30.520 have done their due diligence and they know exactly who 0:12:30.520 --> 0:12:32.240 the next man up is that they choose to select 0:12:32.280 --> 0:12:36.040 that position. Man, let me ask you this Ideah, Now, 0:12:36.200 --> 0:12:38.800 don't you think that it's gonna be even crazier for 0:12:38.840 --> 0:12:41.960 those teams that don't have a war room this year 0:12:42.040 --> 0:12:45.199 and guys are in different locations. How do you control 0:12:45.360 --> 0:12:49.800 that atmosphere not having that, you know, visually being able 0:12:49.800 --> 0:12:52.320 to see, Yeah, that that guys spell off and just 0:12:52.440 --> 0:12:54.720 I mean for me, when I think about what tomorrow, 0:12:54.800 --> 0:12:57.560 what's gonna happen tomorrow, that's what makes it even more 0:12:57.559 --> 0:13:00.840 crazy because there are some teams that are they rely 0:13:01.000 --> 0:13:03.480 on that heavily. When that guy follows off, who's the 0:13:03.520 --> 0:13:05.800 next guy coming up? How do you even envision any 0:13:05.840 --> 0:13:08.760 of this happening under these surfaces? The good thing is, 0:13:08.800 --> 0:13:10.480 you know, we're in twenty and twenty and we have 0:13:10.520 --> 0:13:14.000 these cloud based services, and these teams have these very 0:13:15.200 --> 0:13:18.800 well paid, you know, technicians on their squad, So I 0:13:18.880 --> 0:13:21.920 can only imagine that they have Google Google drives and 0:13:21.960 --> 0:13:25.040 things of that nature. Where there's there's multiple worksheets that 0:13:25.160 --> 0:13:28.160 everybody can work on simultaneously, so when one edit's made, 0:13:28.240 --> 0:13:30.760 everybody can see what's going on. So I don't think 0:13:30.760 --> 0:13:32.319 there's gonna be too much of a difference. It's just 0:13:32.360 --> 0:13:34.080 everybody's not going to be in the same room. The 0:13:34.120 --> 0:13:36.280 content will still be the same, the information will still 0:13:36.320 --> 0:13:38.440 be conveyed the same way. It's just going to be 0:13:38.520 --> 0:13:41.600 where you're literally talking like we're talking right now. Yeah, 0:13:41.600 --> 0:13:43.520 it's a lot of what we're doing here. We're not 0:13:43.559 --> 0:13:46.360 in the studio, we're not necessarily right next to each other, 0:13:46.400 --> 0:13:49.120 but we're still kind of having that conversation back and forth, 0:13:49.160 --> 0:13:52.080 still providing content at least close to a level that 0:13:52.160 --> 0:13:55.640 we normally would whenever we're in a studio. I agree 0:13:55.640 --> 0:13:58.400 with Isaiah just saying that, hey, it's twenty twenty. If 0:13:58.440 --> 0:14:01.199 this was nineteen ninety five, it would be a lot more. 0:14:01.880 --> 0:14:03.800 It would be a lot tougher to try and pull 0:14:03.800 --> 0:14:06.320 off something like this, But luckily we do have an 0:14:06.320 --> 0:14:09.440 opportunity to kind of stay connected even though we are 0:14:09.520 --> 0:14:12.320 apart now. Kind of going back to this press conference 0:14:12.320 --> 0:14:14.120 a little bit and Rob you referred to this a 0:14:14.160 --> 0:14:17.880 little bit earlier where Mike McCarthy said we're a four 0:14:18.000 --> 0:14:20.160 three defense, But there was another quote that stuck out 0:14:20.200 --> 0:14:22.160 to me and I ended up tweeting this out yesterday 0:14:22.400 --> 0:14:26.680 because it kind of in reading between between the lines, 0:14:27.040 --> 0:14:30.280 it kind of made me think about Kenneth Murray at linebacker, 0:14:30.400 --> 0:14:33.200 just kind of one of those thoughts. He's out of Oklahoma, 0:14:33.280 --> 0:14:37.360 He's not your traditional defensive end, rush the passer type 0:14:37.360 --> 0:14:40.360 of linebacker. But if they're potentially going to move to 0:14:40.400 --> 0:14:42.640 a three four, kind of got me thinking a little 0:14:42.640 --> 0:14:45.040 bit what this quote and the quote was the players 0:14:45.080 --> 0:14:47.840 that we've added to the existing roster, of course through 0:14:47.880 --> 0:14:50.520 free agency, will give us a chance to shift gears 0:14:50.840 --> 0:14:54.640 as far as the scheme change we see ourselves making 0:14:54.720 --> 0:14:56.920 from here. What do you make of this quote? Is 0:14:56.920 --> 0:14:58.920 there anything to read between the lines or am I 0:14:58.960 --> 0:15:01.960 just crazy kind of thing at least at the moment 0:15:02.040 --> 0:15:04.080 that says, hey, there's a chance that we may switch 0:15:04.160 --> 0:15:06.360 things up, maybe not this next year, but a three 0:15:06.480 --> 0:15:10.280 four maybe in the future. No, you know what, his 0:15:10.400 --> 0:15:12.560 name crossed my mind too at the same time when 0:15:12.600 --> 0:15:15.360 he was talking about I mean, basically what he's saying 0:15:15.440 --> 0:15:18.120 is we need versatile guys, guys that can just get 0:15:18.160 --> 0:15:21.240 the best prospects on this defense and we can adapt 0:15:21.280 --> 0:15:23.040 to it, you know, And I think they've done that 0:15:23.120 --> 0:15:25.720 with the guys that they've signed. I mean, Gerald McCoy's 0:15:25.720 --> 0:15:29.040 played in multiple defenses, so as don Terry Poe so 0:15:29.760 --> 0:15:32.720 there's some adaptability to what they've already put in place. 0:15:33.080 --> 0:15:35.800 And Kenneth Murray, I think is a prospect that can 0:15:35.920 --> 0:15:39.240 can probably fit different types of defense as Zach Bond's 0:15:39.280 --> 0:15:41.520 another guy that could do it. I think live racker 0:15:41.560 --> 0:15:44.120 that can also rush the passer. Not saying they're going 0:15:44.160 --> 0:15:46.240 to draft those guys, but that's, you know, that's the 0:15:46.240 --> 0:15:48.640 type of prospect they could be. They could be looking 0:15:48.640 --> 0:15:52.920 for for Mike Nolan's defense there, and it kind of 0:15:52.960 --> 0:15:55.680 seems like at least they've had conversations. They have had 0:15:55.720 --> 0:15:58.720 conversations with both of those individuals, and it seems like 0:15:58.760 --> 0:16:01.480 they really do like Murray just from kind of the 0:16:01.480 --> 0:16:03.920 conversations and some of the things that are kind of 0:16:03.920 --> 0:16:07.280 floated out about there. You could throw caleban Chason in 0:16:07.320 --> 0:16:09.400 that mix. And LSU adge rusher is a little bit 0:16:09.400 --> 0:16:11.080 more of the traditional put your hand in the ground 0:16:11.160 --> 0:16:14.520 kind of edge rusher, but somebody that played outside linebacker 0:16:14.640 --> 0:16:17.160 at LSU, you can maybe throw him into the mix 0:16:17.240 --> 0:16:19.880 there as well, just not as versatile. If you're looking 0:16:19.920 --> 0:16:22.440 at a three to four, then maybe ken it's Murray 0:16:22.440 --> 0:16:24.000 and Heckman, I know you've kind of kept up with 0:16:24.000 --> 0:16:27.480 the draft overall, what were your thoughts whenever you kind 0:16:27.480 --> 0:16:30.480 of saw it is a hint at maybe a scheme 0:16:30.560 --> 0:16:33.080 change and where they could go whenever tomorrow comes around, 0:16:33.640 --> 0:16:36.000 you know, just thinking about which direction this teams go 0:16:36.320 --> 0:16:40.360 defensively and the whole mystery surrounding that surrounding it. You know, 0:16:41.000 --> 0:16:44.520 every team some way form they pay a variation of 0:16:44.560 --> 0:16:46.600 the three four four three defense when they go to 0:16:46.680 --> 0:16:50.360 Dime and Nichols. So even to speculate on that it 0:16:50.400 --> 0:16:53.840 would just maybe putting too much into it because everyone's 0:16:53.880 --> 0:16:57.560 doing it. And but when you the kid Murray from Ou, 0:16:57.760 --> 0:17:00.480 it's probably a safe pick for all thirty two teams 0:17:00.520 --> 0:17:02.640 in the first round. He is as solid as they come. 0:17:02.920 --> 0:17:06.600 His story is amazing, and the kind of character that 0:17:06.640 --> 0:17:08.880 you're getting in I said, you talked about it last week. 0:17:09.119 --> 0:17:11.960 Guys are having the heart to play this game. He's 0:17:12.000 --> 0:17:13.760 a guy that comes in day one that you know 0:17:13.840 --> 0:17:15.800 that you can put in any system and he fits 0:17:15.840 --> 0:17:18.800 the bill. But also, Kyle, to your point about the 0:17:18.840 --> 0:17:21.159 three four four three, if we do change to that 0:17:21.400 --> 0:17:23.719 style of a defense, you're gonna have to have that 0:17:23.800 --> 0:17:26.280 versatile guy, guy that can do both put his hand 0:17:26.280 --> 0:17:28.320 in the ground, stand up a guy that can you know, 0:17:28.520 --> 0:17:30.320 rush the past or all of those things are going 0:17:30.400 --> 0:17:32.360 to be there. So no matter what we do, we're 0:17:32.359 --> 0:17:37.080 gonna need more bodies and more versatile guys to do that. Yeah, heck, man, 0:17:37.119 --> 0:17:39.040 I don't disagree with you on that either. Man. I 0:17:40.040 --> 0:17:41.720 feel like a lot of people are putting too much weight. 0:17:41.720 --> 0:17:44.200 As you mentioned on the three four four to three scheme, 0:17:44.560 --> 0:17:48.879 in this day and age, guys are athletes clearly the 0:17:49.840 --> 0:17:53.480 previous athletes. You know, when I played, I was sixty three, 0:17:53.520 --> 0:17:55.480 you know, anyone I was with the Cowboys two hundred 0:17:55.480 --> 0:17:57.600 and five pounds up to two hundred and forty five 0:17:57.640 --> 0:17:59.560 pounds in my career, right, and I had to maintain 0:17:59.600 --> 0:18:03.320 a four three four four forty So guys can run around, Right, 0:18:03.320 --> 0:18:05.320 There's some large human beings out there that can move, 0:18:05.520 --> 0:18:07.680 and they can move in large like they can put 0:18:07.760 --> 0:18:10.120 some weight, so you don't have to have this traditional 0:18:10.280 --> 0:18:12.520 three four four three. When I was playing with the Patriots, 0:18:12.800 --> 0:18:14.919 you know, back in two thousand and nine, we had 0:18:14.920 --> 0:18:17.120 to play against you know, Rich Ryan and Rix. Ryan 0:18:17.160 --> 0:18:19.280 would come out and have a one down lineman five 0:18:19.320 --> 0:18:24.760 linebacker five DD you know. Setup you know, I understand 0:18:24.920 --> 0:18:27.760 these defensive coordinators are creative, and when they go to 0:18:27.800 --> 0:18:29.600 start mapping out with their scheme this for it each 0:18:29.640 --> 0:18:32.440 particular week, they much rather would have athletes or a 0:18:32.560 --> 0:18:34.320 versatile that could put their hand in the ground and 0:18:34.359 --> 0:18:36.440 hold an edge, or they can get on the ground 0:18:36.480 --> 0:18:38.399 and they can get around the edge right, and they 0:18:38.400 --> 0:18:41.320 will scheme around everything else, so you don't get locked 0:18:41.320 --> 0:18:43.880 into these guys needing to be you know, six four, 0:18:44.000 --> 0:18:47.000 two hundred and eighty pounds. I'm much rather having six three, 0:18:47.000 --> 0:18:48.840 two hundred and forty five pound guy that get that's 0:18:48.840 --> 0:18:51.360 strong enough in the room, that can hold his own 0:18:52.000 --> 0:18:55.040 yeah say. It kind of reminds me of the Patriots 0:18:55.680 --> 0:18:59.360 last season, where their top pass thrushers were basically linebackers 0:18:59.720 --> 0:19:03.680 and guys, athletic guys that can match up with this 0:19:03.720 --> 0:19:06.920 new wave of offense where you've got athletic tight ends 0:19:07.160 --> 0:19:09.320 and wide receivers that can make big play. So it's 0:19:09.320 --> 0:19:11.840 almost like, right, I'm a big NBA guy. NBA is 0:19:11.880 --> 0:19:14.800 going positionless. It's almost like the front seven defenses. You've 0:19:14.840 --> 0:19:17.119 got to be not position list, but you've got to 0:19:17.160 --> 0:19:18.919 have so much versatility to be able to match up 0:19:18.920 --> 0:19:21.520 with what offenses you're doing these days. It kind of 0:19:21.560 --> 0:19:25.920 seems like overall fans of the Cowboys have been maybe 0:19:26.040 --> 0:19:29.680 scarred by pass coaching staffs who have thought the opposite, 0:19:29.720 --> 0:19:32.399 where it is kind of pigeonholed and you are in 0:19:32.400 --> 0:19:34.280 a four to three or a three four scheme because 0:19:34.280 --> 0:19:38.000 that old kind of I guess the past mindset. I 0:19:38.040 --> 0:19:39.960 won't say old. I don't want to tab any of 0:19:39.960 --> 0:19:43.520 the form of coaching staff that way, but I just 0:19:43.560 --> 0:19:45.920 want to say the new form of thinking is kind 0:19:45.920 --> 0:19:47.919 of where Mike McCarthy's headed. He even said it in 0:19:47.960 --> 0:19:52.119