Speaker 1: The following. He's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com
Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This he's Talking Cowboys,
Speaker 1: screaming live from the Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at the
Speaker 1: Star in Frisco, Sat. Welcome into an odd version of
Speaker 1: Talking Cowboys. It looks a little bit different because it's
Speaker 1: Draft Eve than We've got plenty in store once Thursday
Speaker 1: rolls around as the twenty twenty NFL Draft is finally here.
Speaker 1: But we're gonna bring you all the content, all the
Speaker 1: information that you need to know leading into Draft Day.
Speaker 1: We are Talking Cowboys. Kyle Yeoman's here alongside Rob Phillips, HECKM. Harrison,
Speaker 1: and back for a second straight week, the great Isaiah Standback,
Speaker 1: former Dallas Cowboys. We continue to get you ready for
Speaker 1: the NFL Draft, and guys, it's crazy. Tomorrow's the Draft.
Speaker 1: We're just over twenty four hours away from our recording
Speaker 1: of this podcast and you still don't necessarily know exactly
Speaker 1: where the Cowboys are gonna go. There's so many different options.
Speaker 1: Edge rusher, cornerback, wide receiver. Who's gonna fall to seventeen
Speaker 1: if the Cowboys even pick at seventeen? And Rob, I
Speaker 1: know you've been around the draft for almost I guess
Speaker 1: how many years now, maybe a decade. I think it's
Speaker 1: like fifteen years on and off. I've lost track myself,
Speaker 1: but something like that. Yeah. But is this just the craziest,
Speaker 1: most wide open possibilities that you've ever seen leading into
Speaker 1: Draft Day? Yeah? And I think you know, Cowboys officials
Speaker 1: touched on that during the pre draft press conference in
Speaker 1: that because you're at seventeen, you're right on the edge
Speaker 1: of that top half of the first round, and it's
Speaker 1: way if you if you want to be pessimistic about it,
Speaker 1: you're a no man's land a little bit because you're
Speaker 1: you're at the mercy of all these teams in front
Speaker 1: of you. However, I think the Cowboys are looking at
Speaker 1: it from an optimistic standpoint that they're gonna have options.
Speaker 1: They feel good about the overall talent in this year's class,
Speaker 1: especially those first round prospects, and they're gonna have some options,
Speaker 1: whether they stay put, which they've done the last six drafts,
Speaker 1: and just pick the best player available to them, or
Speaker 1: they try to find a dance partner and move back.
Speaker 1: I mean that's something they've done before. Jerry Jones rounds
Speaker 1: that about Travis Frederick in twenty thirteen, where they were
Speaker 1: able to move back from eighteen, which is right almost
Speaker 1: the same spot at seventeen thirteen spots back got a
Speaker 1: future you know, five time pro bowler. So that's kind
Speaker 1: of how they see this as as potential options and flexibility.
Speaker 1: Of course you got to have it takes two to
Speaker 1: tango there. But we'll see how they got to see
Speaker 1: how the board you know falls here in the next
Speaker 1: you know, couple days here, it seems like it really
Speaker 1: is in a foregone conclusion on whether or not those
Speaker 1: trades are even gonna happen. Of course, they had a
Speaker 1: mock draft the other day, and even in the first pick,
Speaker 1: when the Cowboys traded up to the first overall pick,
Speaker 1: it was all a mock. It was all scripted. Cowboys fans,
Speaker 1: don't get into it, don't get too crazy. And because
Speaker 1: they took also Trey Adams offensive tackle out of Washington,
Speaker 1: which was kind of an odd pick. But it just
Speaker 1: seems like things are going to be a lot more
Speaker 1: clunky whenever it comes to the draft moving forward. Man,
Speaker 1: this is an unprecedented territory with this draft, and I'm
Speaker 1: looking for something crazy to happen tomorrow at the top
Speaker 1: quarter of this draft. But I think this, I really
Speaker 1: look at seventeen for the Cowboys. We're sitting pretty you know,
Speaker 1: if there's anything that happened, someone falls, you know, there
Speaker 1: may be a player that we'd never even imagined that
Speaker 1: would be there for us, or you know, history repeats itself,
Speaker 1: as Jerry Jones stated yesterday, and we may trade out
Speaker 1: and go back to pick up a stud as well.
Speaker 1: And so I'm really excited about where we are a
Speaker 1: seventeen and just excited to see how this draft pans out. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, the thing with seventeen is that things could
Speaker 1: work out so well for you because some of those
Speaker 1: top fifteen players could drop or things could go oh
Speaker 1: so wrong, and then you've got to, like Rob said,
Speaker 1: find a dance partner and kind of go back and forth.
Speaker 1: That's kind of the craziness with being around the seventeenth pick.
Speaker 1: And then you add the wrench in of it being
Speaker 1: a virtual draft in Isaiah, no surprise here, you're the
Speaker 1: one of the four of us who have actually been drafted.
Speaker 1: Is the only one that's been drafted. Is there any
Speaker 1: possibility at all that this takes away from the dreams
Speaker 1: that are being kind of fulfilled over the next couple
Speaker 1: of days. I think for those first round guys, I
Speaker 1: think I think it definitely does. I think those guys
Speaker 1: really look forward to you probably in the last half
Speaker 1: of their collegiate career. I think they really look forward
Speaker 1: to that draft day, right if they know they're gonna
Speaker 1: be a first round guy, you know, if they like
Speaker 1: that kind of attention. I wasn't there that guy I was.
Speaker 1: If ibably got invited to the draft, I'll probably stay
Speaker 1: at the house with the family, you know, in the
Speaker 1: living room or something. But I think for those guys
Speaker 1: that like that, like that stardom and really want to
Speaker 1: be there, I think this does hurt them and it
Speaker 1: hurts their vision. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: it's a long career. Hopefully it's a long career, and
Speaker 1: you know this is a small portion of it, and
Speaker 1: you're still blessed it, you know, to get drafted and
Speaker 1: even be invited, I mean, you can get the same
Speaker 1: conversations as a first round draft pick. So for those guys,
Speaker 1: I think it man affect some of those guys, But
Speaker 1: for the majority or guys like myself that were you know,
Speaker 1: you know, day two guys, I think they would be
Speaker 1: perfectly fine. What was your draft day? Like? You were
Speaker 1: selected fourth round by the Dallas Cowboys. Just kind of
Speaker 1: take us through exactly how that day went for you
Speaker 1: and was it as stress free or was it as
Speaker 1: stressful as some say about it. It was very stressful
Speaker 1: for myself because I was coming off a pretty traumatic injury.
Speaker 1: I had sustained Liz frank injury my senior back in October,
Speaker 1: halfway through my senior season. So from October all the
Speaker 1: way into them until now, I had and touched the field,
Speaker 1: and you know, scouts didn't have idea what I was doing,
Speaker 1: how healthy I was. So by the time I went
Speaker 1: through the combines and all those things, the only thing
Speaker 1: that they had on me was previous tape from you know,
Speaker 1: six months ago, and you know whatever kind of you know,
Speaker 1: health you know, health assessments that they did for me
Speaker 1: at the combine and on my visits. So draft day
Speaker 1: was a little crazy because I wasn't sure if I
Speaker 1: was gonna be on the first day, which back then
Speaker 1: was the first three rounds on the day one, and
Speaker 1: then Day two was four through seven, So I wasn't sure,
Speaker 1: so literally, I sat on sat around waiting by the
Speaker 1: phone all day long, thinking I might be a second
Speaker 1: or third round guy simply because of my injury, you know,
Speaker 1: and some teams didn't want to take the risk on me,
Speaker 1: didn't think I could come back from that. So by
Speaker 1: the end of day one, I realized that I wasn't
Speaker 1: playing some video games at the local RC with my family,
Speaker 1: and I started receiving phone calls early the next morning.
Speaker 1: I say, I kind of missed those days when we
Speaker 1: just packed it all into two days, you know, just
Speaker 1: knock it all out, but remind me we're the cowboy.
Speaker 1: He's looking at you. They talk to you before the
Speaker 1: draft about being a receiver and said a quarterbacker, how
Speaker 1: many teams were interested in you making that switch that
Speaker 1: you ultimately did. Yeah, it was it was half and half.
Speaker 1: I was saying, I think I think I kind of
Speaker 1: had like three parts. I had teams that didn't think
Speaker 1: I was gonna be able to come back from that
Speaker 1: traumatic injury because most guys that had it previously didn't
Speaker 1: come back. So I had that that that third of
Speaker 1: the of the league that didn't want to touch me.
Speaker 1: I had a third of the league that wanted me
Speaker 1: as an athlete, right who wanted me as the you know,
Speaker 1: receiver slash whatever um And then that which I think
Speaker 1: Dallas fell in fell into that category. And then I
Speaker 1: had the organizations like the New England Patriots, you know,
Speaker 1: Coach Belichick in and U and Billy O'Brien, those guys
Speaker 1: wanted me at quarterback. So you know, I got my Obviously,
Speaker 1: I got drafted by the Cowboys and Garry tell me, Isaiah,
Speaker 1: we're gonna get you with this pick, and you're gonna
Speaker 1: play receiver for and and that's that's when I found
Speaker 1: I was playing receiver for the Cowboys. And then you know, obviously,
Speaker 1: once I left the Cowboys, the next phone call I
Speaker 1: got with Bill Belichick, he said, hey, can you still
Speaker 1: throw the ball, but we're about to drop to you
Speaker 1: as a quarterback. It's crazy, man, it's crazy if you
Speaker 1: were if you're in that athlete category, Man, where did
Speaker 1: you learn to pick up a Jerry Jones impression that
Speaker 1: was as spot on as that one? That's my guy, man,
Speaker 1: there you go. He may he helped make your dreams
Speaker 1: come true. And there's two hundred and fifty five plus
Speaker 1: dreams that are going to come true. This weekend, and
Speaker 1: in terms of the Cowboys, we saw kind of a
Speaker 1: piece behind the curtain, but also not really whenever it
Speaker 1: came to the re draft press conference, it was a
Speaker 1: call much like this over WebEx where Stephen Jones, Jerry Jones,
Speaker 1: and Mike McCarthy were addressed by the media and kind
Speaker 1: of talk to about some of their pre draft plans. Rob,
Speaker 1: you were a part of that that media group that
Speaker 1: got to talk to Jerry and Stephen. What were some
Speaker 1: of the things that were kind of brought up that
Speaker 1: kind of peaked your interest at least over the course
Speaker 1: of that hour or so phone calls. Well, I think
Speaker 1: when they have these, they have these every year, and
Speaker 1: you're right, it was a very different format. Everybody's still
Speaker 1: trying to figure out, virtually including us, how to do this.
Speaker 1: But it went it went fine, and there were some
Speaker 1: good tidbits that came out of it. I think when
Speaker 1: you when you listen to those, you have to kind
Speaker 1: of read between the lines because cowboys don't want to
Speaker 1: tip their hand. They want to accommodate the media, but
Speaker 1: they don't want to tell you exactly what they want
Speaker 1: to do, and you know, to a certain extent to
Speaker 1: a large extent. They don't know what's going to happen.
Speaker 1: That's why seventeen can open up a lot of different possibilities.
Speaker 1: I think it's it's valid that they're not really sure,
Speaker 1: and you know, and they told us too that they
Speaker 1: didn't feel like they're tied to any particular position. We'll see.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think corner and pass rush, we've talked
Speaker 1: about that for many weeks. Those still appear to be
Speaker 1: even after the first pay agency, those still appear to
Speaker 1: be the major needs. But you know, we'll see. Maybe
Speaker 1: there's some other things they're looking at. I thought Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy said up thing interesting at one point in that
Speaker 1: talking about pass rush. You don't necessarily have to go
Speaker 1: the traditional route, as you know, as in a hand
Speaker 1: on the ground defensive end guy. You know, if they're
Speaker 1: going to be multiple and he called them a four
Speaker 1: three defense, maybe you can you know, attack in different
Speaker 1: ways and use your linebackers and things of that nature.
Speaker 1: So could they be looking at linebacker, We'll see if
Speaker 1: they trade down. Could they be looking at another position
Speaker 1: like offensive line? Although when I asked the question about center,
Speaker 1: he mentioned the two Connors. He threw in Connor Williams
Speaker 1: there as well as a guy that could I guess
Speaker 1: compete for the position or at least something they're thinking about.
Speaker 1: So it sounded like they like the depth there. But
Speaker 1: overall they usually tell us this, they're not worried about
Speaker 1: any particular position, but they've got to have some things
Speaker 1: in mind on what they need and what they still
Speaker 1: need to address. Man, it was a great deal of
Speaker 1: posturing going on. They're not tipping their hand on anything,
Speaker 1: and you can just tell just by the questions that
Speaker 1: they were being asked that, look, although we may they
Speaker 1: may have an idea about who they're gonna go with,
Speaker 1: they're not letting anyone know which direction they're going in
Speaker 1: because they know that everyone is looking at that press
Speaker 1: conference as well. But one of the great things that
Speaker 1: I took from the press conference was Mike McCarthy talking
Speaker 1: about the uniqueness of this situation and being with a
Speaker 1: guy like Will McClay, and also Jerry Jones and Stephen
Speaker 1: talking about how Will McClay is all inclusive with the
Speaker 1: scouts and the coaches, everybody coming in together to have
Speaker 1: a brain trust that knows that once these you know,
Speaker 1: these guys start to fall on the board that they
Speaker 1: already know which guys that they're going to attack. And
Speaker 1: I talked about this last week as far as that
Speaker 1: infrastructure already being there, and when coach Mike McCarthy spoke
Speaker 1: to that, I thought that that was the one thing
Speaker 1: that I really feel strongly about going into this weekend
Speaker 1: under these unique circumstances. I don't agree, I don't disagree
Speaker 1: with you. I want everybody to know if you guys
Speaker 1: don't know what a draft board looks like. All right,
Speaker 1: all the fans out there, these guys, these scouts, these
Speaker 1: guys have been working hard for the last year right
Speaker 1: on this particular class, and these guys have at every position.
Speaker 1: They're about ten deep on the board where they have
Speaker 1: everybody's name and ask people get picked, they take that
Speaker 1: name away, and they still know who their next man
Speaker 1: up is should they have the opportunity to pick for
Speaker 1: that particular position. So all the fans out there, there's
Speaker 1: somebody out there that you want, and they get taken
Speaker 1: before the cowboys have their picks. Don't worry. The scouts
Speaker 1: have done their due diligence and they know exactly who
Speaker 1: the next man up is that they choose to select
Speaker 1: that position. Man, let me ask you this Ideah, Now,
Speaker 1: don't you think that it's gonna be even crazier for
Speaker 1: those teams that don't have a war room this year
Speaker 1: and guys are in different locations. How do you control
Speaker 1: that atmosphere not having that, you know, visually being able
Speaker 1: to see, Yeah, that that guys spell off and just
Speaker 1: I mean for me, when I think about what tomorrow,
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen tomorrow, that's what makes it even more
Speaker 1: crazy because there are some teams that are they rely
Speaker 1: on that heavily. When that guy follows off, who's the
Speaker 1: next guy coming up? How do you even envision any
Speaker 1: of this happening under these surfaces? The good thing is,
Speaker 1: you know, we're in twenty and twenty and we have
Speaker 1: these cloud based services, and these teams have these very
Speaker 1: well paid, you know, technicians on their squad, So I
Speaker 1: can only imagine that they have Google Google drives and
Speaker 1: things of that nature. Where there's there's multiple worksheets that
Speaker 1: everybody can work on simultaneously, so when one edit's made,
Speaker 1: everybody can see what's going on. So I don't think
Speaker 1: there's gonna be too much of a difference. It's just
Speaker 1: everybody's not going to be in the same room. The
Speaker 1: content will still be the same, the information will still
Speaker 1: be conveyed the same way. It's just going to be
Speaker 1: where you're literally talking like we're talking right now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a lot of what we're doing here. We're not
Speaker 1: in the studio, we're not necessarily right next to each other,
Speaker 1: but we're still kind of having that conversation back and forth,
Speaker 1: still providing content at least close to a level that
Speaker 1: we normally would whenever we're in a studio. I agree
Speaker 1: with Isaiah just saying that, hey, it's twenty twenty. If
Speaker 1: this was nineteen ninety five, it would be a lot more.
Speaker 1: It would be a lot tougher to try and pull
Speaker 1: off something like this, But luckily we do have an
Speaker 1: opportunity to kind of stay connected even though we are
Speaker 1: apart now. Kind of going back to this press conference
Speaker 1: a little bit and Rob you referred to this a
Speaker 1: little bit earlier where Mike McCarthy said we're a four
Speaker 1: three defense, But there was another quote that stuck out
Speaker 1: to me and I ended up tweeting this out yesterday
Speaker 1: because it kind of in reading between between the lines,
Speaker 1: it kind of made me think about Kenneth Murray at linebacker,
Speaker 1: just kind of one of those thoughts. He's out of Oklahoma,
Speaker 1: He's not your traditional defensive end, rush the passer type
Speaker 1: of linebacker. But if they're potentially going to move to
Speaker 1: a three four, kind of got me thinking a little
Speaker 1: bit what this quote and the quote was the players
Speaker 1: that we've added to the existing roster, of course through
Speaker 1: free agency, will give us a chance to shift gears
Speaker 1: as far as the scheme change we see ourselves making
Speaker 1: from here. What do you make of this quote? Is
Speaker 1: there anything to read between the lines or am I
Speaker 1: just crazy kind of thing at least at the moment
Speaker 1: that says, hey, there's a chance that we may switch
Speaker 1: things up, maybe not this next year, but a three
Speaker 1: four maybe in the future. No, you know what, his
Speaker 1: name crossed my mind too at the same time when
Speaker 1: he was talking about I mean, basically what he's saying
Speaker 1: is we need versatile guys, guys that can just get
Speaker 1: the best prospects on this defense and we can adapt
Speaker 1: to it, you know, And I think they've done that
Speaker 1: with the guys that they've signed. I mean, Gerald McCoy's
Speaker 1: played in multiple defenses, so as don Terry Poe so
Speaker 1: there's some adaptability to what they've already put in place.
Speaker 1: And Kenneth Murray, I think is a prospect that can
Speaker 1: can probably fit different types of defense as Zach Bond's
Speaker 1: another guy that could do it. I think live racker
Speaker 1: that can also rush the passer. Not saying they're going
Speaker 1: to draft those guys, but that's, you know, that's the
Speaker 1: type of prospect they could be. They could be looking
Speaker 1: for for Mike Nolan's defense there, and it kind of
Speaker 1: seems like at least they've had conversations. They have had
Speaker 1: conversations with both of those individuals, and it seems like
Speaker 1: they really do like Murray just from kind of the
Speaker 1: conversations and some of the things that are kind of
Speaker 1: floated out about there. You could throw caleban Chason in
Speaker 1: that mix. And LSU adge rusher is a little bit
Speaker 1: more of the traditional put your hand in the ground
Speaker 1: kind of edge rusher, but somebody that played outside linebacker
Speaker 1: at LSU, you can maybe throw him into the mix
Speaker 1: there as well, just not as versatile. If you're looking
Speaker 1: at a three to four, then maybe ken it's Murray
Speaker 1: and Heckman, I know you've kind of kept up with
Speaker 1: the draft overall, what were your thoughts whenever you kind
Speaker 1: of saw it is a hint at maybe a scheme
Speaker 1: change and where they could go whenever tomorrow comes around,
Speaker 1: you know, just thinking about which direction this teams go
Speaker 1: defensively and the whole mystery surrounding that surrounding it. You know,
Speaker 1: every team some way form they pay a variation of
Speaker 1: the three four four three defense when they go to
Speaker 1: Dime and Nichols. So even to speculate on that it
Speaker 1: would just maybe putting too much into it because everyone's
Speaker 1: doing it. And but when you the kid Murray from Ou,
Speaker 1: it's probably a safe pick for all thirty two teams
Speaker 1: in the first round. He is as solid as they come.
Speaker 1: His story is amazing, and the kind of character that
Speaker 1: you're getting in I said, you talked about it last week.
Speaker 1: Guys are having the heart to play this game. He's
Speaker 1: a guy that comes in day one that you know
Speaker 1: that you can put in any system and he fits
Speaker 1: the bill. But also, Kyle, to your point about the
Speaker 1: three four four three, if we do change to that
Speaker 1: style of a defense, you're gonna have to have that
Speaker 1: versatile guy, guy that can do both put his hand
Speaker 1: in the ground, stand up a guy that can you know,
Speaker 1: rush the past or all of those things are going
Speaker 1: to be there. So no matter what we do, we're
Speaker 1: gonna need more bodies and more versatile guys to do that. Yeah, heck, man,
Speaker 1: I don't disagree with you on that either. Man. I
Speaker 1: feel like a lot of people are putting too much weight.
Speaker 1: As you mentioned on the three four four to three scheme,
Speaker 1: in this day and age, guys are athletes clearly the
Speaker 1: previous athletes. You know, when I played, I was sixty three,
Speaker 1: you know, anyone I was with the Cowboys two hundred
Speaker 1: and five pounds up to two hundred and forty five
Speaker 1: pounds in my career, right, and I had to maintain
Speaker 1: a four three four four forty So guys can run around, Right,
Speaker 1: There's some large human beings out there that can move,
Speaker 1: and they can move in large like they can put
Speaker 1: some weight, so you don't have to have this traditional
Speaker 1: three four four three. When I was playing with the Patriots,
Speaker 1: you know, back in two thousand and nine, we had
Speaker 1: to play against you know, Rich Ryan and Rix. Ryan
Speaker 1: would come out and have a one down lineman five
Speaker 1: linebacker five DD you know. Setup you know, I understand
Speaker 1: these defensive coordinators are creative, and when they go to
Speaker 1: start mapping out with their scheme this for it each
Speaker 1: particular week, they much rather would have athletes or a
Speaker 1: versatile that could put their hand in the ground and
Speaker 1: hold an edge, or they can get on the ground
Speaker 1: and they can get around the edge right, and they
Speaker 1: will scheme around everything else, so you don't get locked
Speaker 1: into these guys needing to be you know, six four,
Speaker 1: two hundred and eighty pounds. I'm much rather having six three,
Speaker 1: two hundred and forty five pound guy that get that's
Speaker 1: strong enough in the room, that can hold his own
Speaker 1: yeah say. It kind of reminds me of the Patriots
Speaker 1: last season, where their top pass thrushers were basically linebackers
Speaker 1: and guys, athletic guys that can match up with this
Speaker 1: new wave of offense where you've got athletic tight ends
Speaker 1: and wide receivers that can make big play. So it's
Speaker 1: almost like, right, I'm a big NBA guy. NBA is
Speaker 1: going positionless. It's almost like the front seven defenses. You've
Speaker 1: got to be not position list, but you've got to
Speaker 1: have so much versatility to be able to match up
Speaker 1: with what offenses you're doing these days. It kind of
Speaker 1: seems like overall fans of the Cowboys have been maybe
Speaker 1: scarred by pass coaching staffs who have thought the opposite,
Speaker 1: where it is kind of pigeonholed and you are in
Speaker 1: a four to three or a three four scheme because
Speaker 1: that old kind of I guess the past mindset. I
Speaker 1: won't say old. I don't want to tab any of
Speaker 1: the form of coaching staff that way, but I just
Speaker 1: want to say the new form of thinking is kind
Speaker 1: of where Mike McCarthy's headed. He even said it in
Speaker 1: his press conference yesterday that we want ball players. We
Speaker 1: want to draft the best available. We want to get
Speaker 1: guys that are gonna come in be athletes and be
Speaker 1: good football players, and so that was kind of music
Speaker 1: to my years. Overall. Now, there were some other at
Speaker 1: least talking points to go through that didn't necessarily have
Speaker 1: to do with the draft, one of which was the
Speaker 1: squashing of one of the rumors that Cowboys fans have
Speaker 1: been holding on hope for at least for the last
Speaker 1: couple of months, and that's Jamal Adams and a potential
Speaker 1: for a trade. Jerry Jones comes out yesterday and he
Speaker 1: says that it's very unlikely we're gonna trade for a
Speaker 1: veteran who won, We're gonna have to turn around to
Speaker 1: pay immediately. And two we're gonna have to at least
Speaker 1: give up one first round pick for Rob. Kind of
Speaker 1: speak to that and talked about what your thoughts were
Speaker 1: going into, at least what Jerry was saying, because it
Speaker 1: crushed a lot of hopes for a lot of Cowboys fans. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it sure, it sure did. He said, it's highly generally speaking,
Speaker 1: he said, it's highly unlikely that they would make a
Speaker 1: trade for an established star in the NFL. And his
Speaker 1: basically his thinking was, at this point in time, draft
Speaker 1: picks are so valuable that it's not it's not an asset. Really,
Speaker 1: teams are willing to move at this point, and because
Speaker 1: you've got you're onund draft day, it's an opportunity to
Speaker 1: draft a guy that can be under contract for four
Speaker 1: to five years with relative cost control. Where it's not
Speaker 1: it's not gonna hamstringer cap if you're gonna you know,
Speaker 1: and he referenced again generally speaking, if you trade for
Speaker 1: a guy that's a big time contract that you're gonna
Speaker 1: have to address and take onto your salary cap. We
Speaker 1: all know, the top priority for the Cabals right now
Speaker 1: is getting number four done. And that's you know, that's
Speaker 1: that's line number one for them in terms of trying
Speaker 1: to you know, spend and spend big money. Has the
Speaker 1: best pocal face in the game, man. So look, I
Speaker 1: mean in Caboy Nation, everybody wants to have been talking
Speaker 1: about Jamal Adam for years now, especially last year, and
Speaker 1: with Earl Thomas and us missing that opportunity, we've just
Speaker 1: been clamoring for safety. Safety uh and there have plenty
Speaker 1: of them in the draft as well, and so you look,
Speaker 1: we don't know it's gonna be It really is gonna
Speaker 1: be filed, but I don't rule out anything happen in
Speaker 1: last minute or something big happening for the Cowboys on
Speaker 1: draft day. Yeah, I can't foresee them, like like Jerry
Speaker 1: touched on yesterday, I can't foresee them, you know, getting
Speaker 1: an established veteran at that position. It's just just too
Speaker 1: costly and we're too cap strapped here in Dallas to be,
Speaker 1: you know, trying to make that kind of sacrifice, in
Speaker 1: that kind of commitment. And to my point last time
Speaker 1: we all got together, is the coaching staff being able
Speaker 1: to lean on your coaching staff and know that they
Speaker 1: can develop talent. Right. I actually as much as I
Speaker 1: as much as I feel like I know Jerry Jones
Speaker 1: and I know he wants that seventeenth pick, I honestly
Speaker 1: think that it would be more valuable for them to
Speaker 1: trade out of that spot. Trade out of that spot,
Speaker 1: collect a couple more second or third, third round picks,
Speaker 1: and get that value that fits within your financial structure
Speaker 1: and allows for you to gain more athletes, gain more depth,
Speaker 1: and more guys that you can develop underneath this particular regiment. Well,
Speaker 1: kind of going back off of what you just said, Isaiah,
Speaker 1: talking about specifically the safety position, you're saying that we're
Speaker 1: cap strapped and it's kind of put in a tough situation,
Speaker 1: of course, and like Rob just said, you're trying to
Speaker 1: pay your quarterback here. But is it also just kind
Speaker 1: of another sign of how much this front office kind
Speaker 1: of devalues the safety position. I mean, it's been almost
Speaker 1: a decade that we've been looking for a star caliber safety,
Speaker 1: but necessarily haven't been looking for it. At the same time,
Speaker 1: you've kind of let that position go to the wayside,
Speaker 1: and Jeff Heath was your guy for a little while. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think it's a lack of trust
Speaker 1: there or lacking commitment that. I just think that you
Speaker 1: see immediately as soon as this culture staff came in,
Speaker 1: where do they apply their focus defensive line? Right, They're
Speaker 1: focusing their attention on that defensive line in that front
Speaker 1: seven all to talk to you, hearing about as a
Speaker 1: pass rusher d line right into your alignement, being able
Speaker 1: to hold the ford, being able to control that line
Speaker 1: of scrimmage, because that's where they've seen value in the
Speaker 1: last ten years. The Cowboys established themselves by get having
Speaker 1: the best office a line of the league. So they
Speaker 1: understand the value of those front guys, which is why
Speaker 1: immediately they secure that right, they secure their interior alignment.
Speaker 1: So now all of a sudden, you can't rush inside, right,
Speaker 1: So now words of value go. Now the guys can't
Speaker 1: go inside where they have to go, They have to
Speaker 1: go outside. So now we need some guys that can
Speaker 1: hold the edge. Now we need some athletes that can
Speaker 1: run side to side. You already have some of those
Speaker 1: linebackers in play, So let's go get some more of
Speaker 1: those guys, and by applying that pressure upfront, our secondary
Speaker 1: dery guys don't have to be as good. Right, The
Speaker 1: QB's not gonna have as much time to sit back
Speaker 1: and survey the field and be able to make, you know,
Speaker 1: the proper delivery. So our front seven will allow for us.
Speaker 1: They need to be sung everybody else in the secondary.
Speaker 1: We just need them to be good. That's the ABC's
Speaker 1: of football, my man, you know. And so when you
Speaker 1: have the front seven, the front four guys that can
Speaker 1: apply that pressure, like you said, you don't have to
Speaker 1: have all world guys. And I just believe that once
Speaker 1: we brought on haw Haw Clinton Dicks, we got better
Speaker 1: at the position overnight. I mean, I know that's what
Speaker 1: we call a bridge player and it's a temporary deal,
Speaker 1: but at the same time, I just believe athletically we
Speaker 1: got better at that position. So I'm just excited about
Speaker 1: that portion of it. But you're right, Isaiah, like you said, man,
Speaker 1: it's the defensive line. Those edge rushers is going to
Speaker 1: make that one one one thousand half or a quarterback. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a need anyways to address whenever the
Speaker 1: draft does come around over the next couple of days, secondary,
Speaker 1: cornerback and safety, all the way through, the combination of
Speaker 1: those two positions is still right up at the top
Speaker 1: of the draft board, at least in terms of what
Speaker 1: the Cowboys could use. But do you guys see any
Speaker 1: other positions that kind of pop out and at least
Speaker 1: reach out to you as some that could be maybe
Speaker 1: a sneaky need or a wide receiver or a linebacker
Speaker 1: or something like that that could potentially kind of rise
Speaker 1: to the top of the draft board and be there
Speaker 1: day one or day two. Well, I definitely think, you know,
Speaker 1: receiver could be a possible depending on value and how
Speaker 1: early they want to invest in it. It's a fairly kyle.
Speaker 1: It seems like it's a fairly deep position this year
Speaker 1: in the class, specially top heavy. It's top heavy with
Speaker 1: some of those four or five guys that could go
Speaker 1: in the first round. But you know, quarterbacks sounded like
Speaker 1: QB sounded like it could be a need or something
Speaker 1: that they address sometime over those three days. Uh, Jerry Jones,
Speaker 1: did you say QUB? Rob? I said QB, And and
Speaker 1: I haven't been saying QB. But but look, Mike McCarthy
Speaker 1: wants to develop that room, right And I went back
Speaker 1: and I looked at it and he was there thirteen
Speaker 1: years in Green Bay and they drafted five quarterbacks, including
Speaker 1: two in one draft, and you had Aaron Rodgers there.
Speaker 1: So they it's that's always been a philosophy in Green Bay,
Speaker 1: even before Mike was there. You know, you draft the guy, Okay,
Speaker 1: you got Brett Farve. If this guy developed, you trade
Speaker 1: him for a first round pick in three years, you know.
Speaker 1: So maybe that's what they're thinking. But of course it's
Speaker 1: got be something that that fits and there's got to
Speaker 1: be value there. This week, I'm just teasing. I heard
Speaker 1: I heard the same thing. Uh. And Jerry Jones kind
Speaker 1: of put it in the in the in the term
Speaker 1: of a guy developing those assets for trade value in
Speaker 1: the future. And so uh. And you look over the
Speaker 1: course of Mike mccarthur's career, even in Green Bay and
Speaker 1: them drafting quarterbacks. That's a big part of the communication, uh,
Speaker 1: for their their starting guys, having that communication be from
Speaker 1: their backup guys, and so um, look, most of and
Speaker 1: it's no is not a mystery. While most NFL coaches
Speaker 1: have a quarterback experience, so Isaiah, Uh, you know, because
Speaker 1: those guys are a big part of the game plan,
Speaker 1: and so I looked with that as well. I mean,
Speaker 1: but it shocked me when when the question came up
Speaker 1: and they didn't shrug it off, They're like, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: we'll be looking for quarterbacks in this draft as well. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: I think you have to have depth at that position.
Speaker 1: I mean, everybody knows that number four is gonna get
Speaker 1: taken care of, but what happens if he gets hurt?
Speaker 1: And you always have to think about that, as you know,
Speaker 1: as a general manager, as an owner of a team,
Speaker 1: as a head coach of a team, you have to
Speaker 1: think about the what ifs, right, And even though you're
Speaker 1: putting all your money into this one individual at that
Speaker 1: particular position to lead your team, if something bad does
Speaker 1: happen to him, which does happen in this league, it's
Speaker 1: a physical sport, what is your backup plan? Right? So
Speaker 1: I can't dismiss the fact that they are definitely going
Speaker 1: to grab a quarterback, But I also think that they
Speaker 1: need to address a slot receiver. You know. I think
Speaker 1: you can hear it, you know, and a lot of
Speaker 1: a lot of McCarthy's comments he really wanted Cop. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: he really wanted Cod and he thought he thought that
Speaker 1: was a for sure thing and it didn't happen. So
Speaker 1: now you have to feel that position. You're not gonna
Speaker 1: be able to feel that position with a veteran. So
Speaker 1: now you need to get somebody who was established, who
Speaker 1: had a great career in college, who might not even
Speaker 1: be a big name guy, but that can fall to you,
Speaker 1: probably in the third and fourth round, and grab him
Speaker 1: that can that can take some of the pressure off
Speaker 1: of those outsides guys because you have Cooper, you got Gallup,
Speaker 1: you got those guys that can it could take the
Speaker 1: top off you know, you have your tight end, but
Speaker 1: you still need that guy that's gonna get you those
Speaker 1: first downs with six seven yards is said. Do you
Speaker 1: think they've got enough of a workaround there though, with
Speaker 1: moving a mare in the slot some maybe paul Tony
Speaker 1: Pollard in there, or do you think they need a
Speaker 1: Beasley cop type guy that that's with that short area
Speaker 1: equipness to fulfill that position. You need that guy. You know,
Speaker 1: every team that I've been on that's that's been successful,
Speaker 1: we had that guy, right, you mean, whether it was
Speaker 1: when I was with the Giants and we had you know,
Speaker 1: a big you know, we had crews in there. When
Speaker 1: I was with the Cowboys and we had Patrick Craydon
Speaker 1: who was always just shifty, you know, whether I was
Speaker 1: with New England and we had you know, Julian Edelman
Speaker 1: and Wes Welker. You need that guy that dvs had
Speaker 1: zero chance of sticking with right or if they want
Speaker 1: to stay in the base defense, that linebacker has zero chance.
Speaker 1: So you have to have that individual. You're starting to
Speaker 1: see that transition, you know, if you go back, you
Speaker 1: know ten, you know, ten to twelve years when you
Speaker 1: had the you know, the Calvin Johnson's and all these receivers,
Speaker 1: it's changed their values. Not with those big guys anymore.
Speaker 1: Now was to really, you know, change over to you
Speaker 1: know that slot guy that's is nippy, a shifty and
Speaker 1: that can get you that five yards, catch it at five,
Speaker 1: get another five six yards for matter them. I guess
Speaker 1: what the sticks had just moved, right. You need to
Speaker 1: be able to move the sticks. It's not always about
Speaker 1: those big plays about withstanding with you know, withholding drives. Well,
Speaker 1: both Jerry Jones and Mike McCarthy addressed that yesterday, saying
Speaker 1: that we've set ourselves up with the success that we've
Speaker 1: had in the free agency market of adding some of
Speaker 1: these veteran guys, kind of laying at least a foundation
Speaker 1: to add a bunch of talent in areas that we
Speaker 1: didn't necessarily think we're specific needs early wide receivers. Ride
Speaker 1: up with you, Isaiah, I agree they need a guy
Speaker 1: like that. The good news is there's a lot of
Speaker 1: guys like that in this draft, and you can get
Speaker 1: them in the third and the fourth round too, so
Speaker 1: you don't actually have to address it early now. But
Speaker 1: Jerry Judy or a CD Lamb falls in your lap
Speaker 1: at seventeen, there's a chance to get a number one
Speaker 1: wide receiver. Nothing against the Marii Cooper, but I mean
Speaker 1: people are comparing CD Lamb to Deandrekins. If you could
Speaker 1: tell me that the Cowboys are sag DeAndre Hopkins right now,
Speaker 1: I'm never going to turn that down. So there's plenty
Speaker 1: of actions when it comes to wide receiver, and also
Speaker 1: really with quarterback late as well, and like Rob was
Speaker 1: kind of talking to, you need that depth right now.
Speaker 1: You have a backup quarterback who was undrafted. You have
Speaker 1: a chance if you want to go five, six, seven
Speaker 1: rounds deep into this draft, you have a quarterback you
Speaker 1: like fall in your lap. I wouldn't be surprised if
Speaker 1: they pull the trigger on somebody to maybe at least
Speaker 1: fight for that backup role. Overall. Now, were running out
Speaker 1: of time. This is a shortened show for all of
Speaker 1: those watching things for sticking around at least through some
Speaker 1: of the craziness of draft week. Before we go, though,
Speaker 1: I want you guys to give me your prediction who
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are going to take a pick seventeen heckmo,
Speaker 1: We're gonna start with you and Isaiah and then Rob.
Speaker 1: We'll finish us out. That's how we're going to do this.
Speaker 1: This is our impromptu Cowboys mock draft seventeenth overall, pick
Speaker 1: it and go heck I'm on chasing from LSU. I
Speaker 1: think he's He's the bona fide pick for us the
Speaker 1: seventeen and it makes sense. You know, there's some other
Speaker 1: needs we made trade back. I don't know, but I'm
Speaker 1: just staying right off the top seventeen chasing from LSU,
Speaker 1: dog going you heck man, I'm going with the same one.
Speaker 1: Another one. Oh man, I can't call it, man. That's
Speaker 1: that's where I have my mindset on right there. I
Speaker 1: think that we definitely need I think they're gonna go
Speaker 1: with a pass rusher. I definitely didn't go pass rusher
Speaker 1: at what name. I can't get it to you right now.
Speaker 1: I'm not to go back and go on my dog
Speaker 1: on cheat sheet. Well, I'm gonna stay really boring and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go make it official unanimous with Chase Jason.
Speaker 1: I think I agree. I think pass rush is something
Speaker 1: they're looking at. It's probably less deep than corner potentially,
Speaker 1: but it wouldn't surprise me. I mean, if C. J.
Speaker 1: Henderson's not there and everybody thinks he might be a
Speaker 1: top fifteen pick, now, maybe they go with the best
Speaker 1: available corner. And there's there's a few of those guys
Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, there's AJ Terrell. There's plenty of those
Speaker 1: best overall corners that could be available. My boring pick
Speaker 1: would be Calevan Chase On. That's who I really do
Speaker 1: think they will end up selecting. However, I will throw
Speaker 1: Christian Fulton's name in there. I think he's a little
Speaker 1: bit up on the boards. Then a lot of people
Speaker 1: realize I went back and watched his tape again, this
Speaker 1: is a coverage corner. This guy can do a lot
Speaker 1: of things for you, and he fits the mold of
Speaker 1: what Mike McCarthy and Mike Nolan are gonna end up
Speaker 1: doing with that defense moving forward. And I think they'll
Speaker 1: add some linebacker and some edge rush depth a little
Speaker 1: bit later on in the drafts man doing to my
Speaker 1: shows with helmet. Yeah right, I can hang around with
Speaker 1: helmet a little bit too much. Yeah, and I'm getting there. Hey,
Speaker 1: let's just throw Grant to help it in there too.
Speaker 1: Let's throw all the last Tigers straight up, the first overall,
Speaker 1: let's go get Joe Burrow. Let's figure it out. Clyde's
Speaker 1: Edward a layer. Okay, that's gonna do it. Here for
Speaker 1: Talking Cowboys WebEx edition on the eve of the twenty
Speaker 1: twenty NFL Draft. So glad you've stuck around with us,
Speaker 1: and hope you're staying safe out there, and it's crazy times.
Speaker 1: Enjoy the NFL Draft. We're gonna be back next Tuesday
Speaker 1: at our normal time eleven o'clock to talk through how
Speaker 1: the Cowboys did, who they picked up, and where do
Speaker 1: they go from here. But for now, for heck Ma Harrison,
Speaker 1: for Isaiah stand Back, and for Rob Phillips, I'm Kyle
Speaker 1: Yeoman's so long until next week