Speaker 1: What do you think about my general presence on email?
Speaker 1: I would say you're not the best of email. I
Speaker 1: just think you missed things. Sometimes. The problem with you
Speaker 1: and sending emails is that it's very unpredictable when you
Speaker 1: will read, if you will read, and when you will reply.
Speaker 1: First time I met you, I was introduced to you.
Speaker 1: You gave me your business card and said here, this
Speaker 1: is my email if you need to get in touch,
Speaker 1: and so literally like that night, I emailed you and said, hey,
Speaker 1: it was nice to meet you. Here are some things
Speaker 1: that would be helpful, and I never heard back. Once
Speaker 1: I sent an email saying, hey, I really want to
Speaker 1: go to this conference. I need to sign up for
Speaker 1: it by Friday and it's Wednesday. Do you think I
Speaker 1: can do it? And I kind of forgot about it,
Speaker 1: and then I didn't hear back from you. So by
Speaker 1: the time that we did get around and discussing it,
Speaker 1: it was the next week I didn't get to go.
Speaker 1: So more often than not, I just wander over and
Speaker 1: talk to you. Definitely no to harass you on chat,
Speaker 1: and if all else fails to engage with you in person,
Speaker 1: and then I guess if that if if you're still
Speaker 1: am I, I might go to to your boss, where
Speaker 1: would you say I rank and like among all the
Speaker 1: people you work with? Am I like the worst about email?
Speaker 1: Or am I? Am I in the middle? Or am
Speaker 1: I close to the bottom. I don't think you're at
Speaker 1: the very bottom, but you're near the bottom if we're
Speaker 1: being honest. So what you just heard was a bunch
Speaker 1: of my colleagues totally dissing my email habits. I knew
Speaker 1: I wasn't great an email, but I didn't realize I
Speaker 1: was making everyone else's lives that much harder. This week
Speaker 1: on Works for Me, I try to fix it. Um.
Speaker 1: Welcome to Works for Me, the show where we improve
Speaker 1: ourselves using productivity hats to see if they'll work for you.
Speaker 1: I'm back at Greenfield, and I'm Francesca leaving. This week
Speaker 1: it is Francesca's turn to change something about the way
Speaker 1: she works. Francesca, what's bothering you about your productivity? This week?
Speaker 1: I'm bad at email, Like, very, very very bad at email.
Speaker 1: My work inbox is so overwhelming that I'm drowning in it.
Speaker 1: I actually miss emails that are pretty important. I just
Speaker 1: won't see them because of all the other stuff that
Speaker 1: comes in and when I do spot a relevant email
Speaker 1: and open it and read it, I don't actually have
Speaker 1: a good system for handling and dispatching each email quickly.
Speaker 1: So I'm hearing two problems. One is that your inbox
Speaker 1: is overwhelming, which is a problem a lot of us have.
Speaker 1: My work email is certainly like that. My personal email
Speaker 1: is definitely more under control. Congratulations, thank you. But then
Speaker 1: the other problem I'm hearing is that you haven't figured
Speaker 1: out how to thrive in this chaos. I basically avoid it.
Speaker 1: I see the sheer number of emails and it scares
Speaker 1: me and I go burrow under a rock, which is
Speaker 1: a problem since email is a main form of communication
Speaker 1: for a better worse in our world. To be fair,
Speaker 1: I didn't get into this situational by myself. The modern
Speaker 1: workplace is in an email crisis. We're drowning in a
Speaker 1: deluge of email and jargon. The average corporate employee in
Speaker 1: this two thousand mind you received anywhere from fifty emails
Speaker 1: per day, and it's growing at about fifteen per year.
Speaker 1: So if you do the math, it would double every
Speaker 1: four and a half to five years. That's Phil Simon,
Speaker 1: a professor at Arizona State University. He wrote a book
Speaker 1: called Message Not Received, all about how the corporate world
Speaker 1: is crippled by too much email. He's not wrong. I
Speaker 1: live that problem. Um. I decided to sit down at
Speaker 1: home with my husband Mike and diagnose just how bad
Speaker 1: the problem had gotten. All right, so I'm gonna show
Speaker 1: you one day. One day is worth of email. Okay,
Speaker 1: So this is like there's twenty emails per page, So
Speaker 1: six pages, six times twenty unread well total emails? Is
Speaker 1: that something like all that that you haven't read? Yes?
Speaker 1: Or does this include spam email? I get a lot
Speaker 1: of pr um like public relations firms put you on
Speaker 1: mailing lists, So I have a lot of unwanted mailing
Speaker 1: list emails. So then why don't you just delete them
Speaker 1: if you know you're not going to read them? A
Speaker 1: good question? I mean, I mean I think I get
Speaker 1: overwhelmed because it's so much. Look how close these emails
Speaker 1: came in together, like to seven to one, so they
Speaker 1: just like they just come in like an avalianche checking
Speaker 1: your email. Right, I know, But I to make this
Speaker 1: workout have to be constantly deleting these exactly. That's how
Speaker 1: it works. If you go to lunch and come back
Speaker 1: to your desk and you haven't looked at it for
Speaker 1: thirty minutes, forty minutes, Um, how many new emails would
Speaker 1: it have, say, I would have like new emails. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that's so that's why it's hard for me
Speaker 1: to delete. Yeah, but it sounds like there's also a
Speaker 1: lot of things that you're subscribed to that you should
Speaker 1: just unsubscribe because that's the same effect as deleting emails
Speaker 1: to these pr email spam. These are really insidious, Like
Speaker 1: these are the ones. I think that this is going
Speaker 1: to be the biggest challenge. This is the thing that
Speaker 1: I'm is going to be my um golies. Is that
Speaker 1: the right metaphor going to be my I don't feel
Speaker 1: like that's what I'm looking for, But it's gonna be
Speaker 1: my dragon to slay. It sounds like my custom hausom
Speaker 1: good advice for you, But my inbox definitely looks a
Speaker 1: lot like yours. That's a lot of unwanted things that
Speaker 1: I just don't deal with. That's actually kind of refreshing
Speaker 1: to hear, because I feel like you often have good
Speaker 1: hygiene about these things. Mike just too. I sometimes feel
Speaker 1: like I'm the only one who just doesn't do anything
Speaker 1: about these emails. Okay, so everybody is sending too many emails,
Speaker 1: it's not just you, but you sound like you have
Speaker 1: a pretty big problem here. You're getting a lot of emails,
Speaker 1: but you're also not responding to them quickly or at all.
Speaker 1: So how are you going to do that? I really
Speaker 1: wanted a solution that didn't require to use any new
Speaker 1: tech or install any apps system that anybody could use
Speaker 1: on any email software. So I'm going classic. I'm doing
Speaker 1: inbox zero. Well, in box zero, so that's like no
Speaker 1: emails in your inbox ever, right, It's actually pretty straightforward philosophy.
Speaker 1: It was developed all the way back in two thousand
Speaker 1: seven by Merlin Man. He's a writer, podcaster and productivity guy.
Speaker 1: And yeah, it's basically a filing system for your electronic mail.
Speaker 1: And just like it sounds, inbox zero dictates that you
Speaker 1: should end every day with an empty inbox, either deleted
Speaker 1: or filed into folders every single email you've gotten. That
Speaker 1: sounds like a lot of time spent on your email.
Speaker 1: And I think that's some of the criticism to inbox
Speaker 1: zero and systems like it, that's that it sets those
Speaker 1: really high expectation and bar for people that they have
Speaker 1: to do this really intense email maintenance every single day. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that in all of the years that inbox
Speaker 1: zero has been around as an idea, there's definitely been
Speaker 1: something about backlash to it, and that's part of it
Speaker 1: that it takes so much time, And people also say
Speaker 1: it's kind of a way of feeling productive without being productive,
Speaker 1: because you're just you're spending lots of time doing something,
Speaker 1: but what you're doing is just your email. So I
Speaker 1: get all those criticisms, and I do think there's a
Speaker 1: danger that I'll spend a lot of time on it,
Speaker 1: But I'm also I have to do something like I'm
Speaker 1: in an email emergency right now, so I think I've
Speaker 1: got to try the most extreme thing I know of. Okay,
Speaker 1: so you're going to become an inbox zero person. I'm
Speaker 1: excited for you and your transformation, But what's the exact
Speaker 1: system that you're going to follow to get to invox zero? First,
Speaker 1: I need to set up rules, including folders and filters
Speaker 1: on my email and even just telling people in various
Speaker 1: ways not to email me so much so I don't
Speaker 1: get as many emails in the future that step one. Next,
Speaker 1: I need to get rid of everything sitting in my
Speaker 1: inbox right now, which is a lot, and I don't
Speaker 1: know how long that will take. Finally, every day after that,
Speaker 1: I'm going to assign three twenty minute dashes where I
Speaker 1: can dedicate my self to allotting emails to their proper place.
Speaker 1: It seems like you have it all figured out. How
Speaker 1: will you know whether your experiment is a success. If
Speaker 1: I can spend one week and finish every day with
Speaker 1: an empty inbox, I've one. I've conquered my email problem.
Speaker 1: Good luck. Step one of inbox zero, make some rules.
Speaker 1: I was going to set up folders and filters and
Speaker 1: send a message to my colleagues that I am not
Speaker 1: an email person anymore. This was to try to lower
Speaker 1: the sheer number of emails that I was getting. First,
Speaker 1: I was going to set up some folders. I got
Speaker 1: the idea from a Fast Company article to make folders
Speaker 1: based on time, not by subject. So the folders I
Speaker 1: set up are called today, this week, this month, M,
Speaker 1: and F Y I. F Y I is where everything
Speaker 1: goes that you might need to reference later, but it
Speaker 1: doesn't require a response. I did other things to limit
Speaker 1: how many new emails. I got Phil, our email expert,
Speaker 1: had given me a tip if an email chain goes
Speaker 1: longer than three emails, it should move to another medium.
Speaker 1: So I put that rule in my email signature. This
Speaker 1: turned out to be harder than I expected. This feels
Speaker 1: crazy to put this in my even this to put
Speaker 1: this in my I for email chains longer than three emails,
Speaker 1: please call instead call her message instead. Oh this feels weird.
Speaker 1: All right, I'm going to save it. So it sounds
Speaker 1: like you're having a problem where you're thinking about other
Speaker 1: people more than yourself. Yeah, because you're scared that you're
Speaker 1: going to find someone with your email signature, when really
Speaker 1: you're doing it in service of being a better emailer
Speaker 1: and not because you're a mean person who hates everybody. No,
Speaker 1: that's true. I should have thought about it that way.
Speaker 1: And also, like, I'm making other people's lives harder right
Speaker 1: now with my emails. So even if I make their
Speaker 1: life momentarily more annoying because they have to read my somebody, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's okay, but not as much as I would
Speaker 1: upset somebody by not responding to their true I did
Speaker 1: a little more prep to set myself up for success.
Speaker 1: Once my inbox is clear, I signed emails from important
Speaker 1: people a special color in my inbox, so they showed
Speaker 1: up above the noise, and I saved tem blitz for
Speaker 1: the common emails I send out all the time. Okay,
Speaker 1: now it was time for step two, purging my inbox.
Speaker 1: I had done everything I could think of to slow
Speaker 1: down the barrage of emails I was getting, But now
Speaker 1: I had to tackle my real demon, my ridiculously over
Speaker 1: stuffed inbox. I had a year's worth of unread or
Speaker 1: undealt with or just irrelevant emails, thousands and thousands of them.
Speaker 1: So I did something radical and kind of controversial here,
Speaker 1: something that inbox zero recommends for some people called the
Speaker 1: email d m Z. What is the email d MZ?
Speaker 1: This is where you basically take a bomb to your inbox.
Speaker 1: I decided to wipe every email older than two months,
Speaker 1: just zap it gone. If it was important and I
Speaker 1: didn't respond, it was probably too late. Becca. Do you
Speaker 1: think you could do this? Delete hundreds of emails in
Speaker 1: one shot without even like checking on what they were. Yes,
Speaker 1: I am so on board for this. I've actually wrote
Speaker 1: an article about this one. I wrote an article about
Speaker 1: after you come back from a vacation to delete all
Speaker 1: the emails from before vacation. Just do it. There's no Yeah,
Speaker 1: like you said, if it's important, and I'll come back
Speaker 1: up again. And if you missed it two months ago,
Speaker 1: you've probably missed your window. Yeah. I think there's also
Speaker 1: a nagging fear that there's just something important in there,
Speaker 1: like not necessarily something I needed to respond to, but
Speaker 1: some crucial piece of information that I was going to
Speaker 1: delete and never find again. And I haven't tested whether
Speaker 1: that's actually true, but I suspect we I think we
Speaker 1: think that's true more than it actually is, Like we're
Speaker 1: not storing as much valuable gems of info in our
Speaker 1: email as we think we are. I wouldn't even know
Speaker 1: how to find it. I was ready to lift the
Speaker 1: weight of these thousands of emails off me. It was
Speaker 1: kind of scary, to be honest, just get rid of
Speaker 1: them all in one big select all swoop, you know what.
Speaker 1: I'm just I just gotta do it. This is crazy.
Speaker 1: I have thousands of emails in here, so I'm going
Speaker 1: to expand this window. Oh my god, this is nerve racking. Okay,
Speaker 1: am I really doing this? And I'm just gonna do.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I have so many emails. I can't
Speaker 1: even understand. Oh I got here, Okay, here we go,
Speaker 1: shift click delete, delete, delete. But I immediately ran into
Speaker 1: a problem. Deleting the emails was not going to be
Speaker 1: a one click deal. Our email system doesn't actually have
Speaker 1: a select all function, so I could only select about
Speaker 1: twenty emails at a time. I was going to have
Speaker 1: to go through these screen by excruciating screen. This would
Speaker 1: take hours. Delete delete, shift click delete. I've been deleting,
Speaker 1: responding to an archiving emails for the last twenty minutes
Speaker 1: and I haven't even gotten past today. So I'm going
Speaker 1: to have to go home and pick it up again
Speaker 1: from home because this has to get done. This is
Speaker 1: a shocking amount of time. While I cleared the backlog,
Speaker 1: I also started in on the emails I had decided
Speaker 1: to save from the past two months, responding to archiving
Speaker 1: or deleting every single one. It took forever. I was
Speaker 1: at the office two hours late and I still wasn't done.
Speaker 1: To be honest, I was getting exhausted. I went home,
Speaker 1: kissed my sleeping kid, and got right back to my laptop.
Speaker 1: At around ten thirty that night, I was finally done,
Speaker 1: which is to say it took me around six hours
Speaker 1: just to delete old emails and respond to her file
Speaker 1: the ones that had come in the past a couple
Speaker 1: of months. I'm finally done. I'm done sorting through emails,
Speaker 1: deleting emails, categorizing emails, responding in to emails, and my
Speaker 1: inbox is empty. I feel tired. That took way way
Speaker 1: longer than I expected, even the deleting part, but I'm
Speaker 1: so glad I did. I feel I feel like more
Speaker 1: competent as a person and a worker and a manager
Speaker 1: just for doing that. It's an amazing way to go
Speaker 1: to bed, which I'm going to do right now because
Speaker 1: I'm really tired. And then my inbox was empty. I
Speaker 1: went to sleep, ready to start my new life as
Speaker 1: an empty inbox person. The question is what would happen
Speaker 1: when new emails started coming in find out after the break.
Speaker 1: The next day, I woke up feeling like a new person.
Speaker 1: I was free from all of those emails that had
Speaker 1: been dragging me down. I had spent the night before
Speaker 1: making sure my inbox was Christine. I walked over to
Speaker 1: my desk, opened up my laptop, and there they were
Speaker 1: dozens of new emails. I already had twenty two new
Speaker 1: pr spam emails alone. This was not going to be easy.
Speaker 1: It was time to solve the next big email problem.
Speaker 1: I had no system for dealing with emails quickly when
Speaker 1: they came in. I was done with steps one and two,
Speaker 1: make rules and purge my inbox. Now I needed to
Speaker 1: start on step three, keep it up. I decided on
Speaker 1: a simplified version of the steps. In Box zero lays
Speaker 1: out scheduling email dashes throughout the day, where you decide
Speaker 1: quickly whether to file, respond to, or delete every email.
Speaker 1: Since my folders would help me decide how quickly to
Speaker 1: respond to things, I'd go through my inbox three times
Speaker 1: a day for twenty minutes, and then check my folders daily, weekly,
Speaker 1: and monthly. My first email dash of the day was
Speaker 1: at ten am, and I had to deal with these
Speaker 1: mailing lists. I think every profession probably has their own
Speaker 1: special spam, and this is the kind journalists get. Becca.
Speaker 1: Let me read you some lines from these emails. I
Speaker 1: know you cover advertising business news, so I wanted to
Speaker 1: send this over to you right away so you have
Speaker 1: the full scoop. I don't cover advertising, and it wasn't
Speaker 1: a scoop? Or February is International Boost Self Esteem Month?
Speaker 1: Or is a nose job? A no note for your kid?
Speaker 1: Parental tips on team plastic surgery. I know you must
Speaker 1: get these two. How do you deal with them? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think I even got some of those exact same emails.
Speaker 1: How do I deal with them? Ignore? I just let
Speaker 1: them glaze like I let my eyes glance over them
Speaker 1: and decide they're unimportant. It's the same way like when
Speaker 1: you have a mess in your house for long enough,
Speaker 1: you stop seeing it. Yeah. The reality of the situation
Speaker 1: is that itomb is important things, usually not from people
Speaker 1: I know, But I'll get pitched things that I probably
Speaker 1: should cover. But because I have my system involves me
Speaker 1: ignoring most emails, things fall through the trucks. Yeah. The
Speaker 1: worst thing about these types of emails is that sometimes
Speaker 1: even when you unsubscribe, it does nothing. Because I did
Speaker 1: try that at first. I spent about a day going
Speaker 1: and clicking on the little four point font way way
Speaker 1: way at the bottom of every email. But then I
Speaker 1: realized it wasn't working. I kept getting emails from the
Speaker 1: same senders, so I tried something more extreme. Our company
Speaker 1: software lets us block every email from a certain domain,
Speaker 1: so when i'd get an email from a list I
Speaker 1: knew I had already n subscribed from, they got blocked.
Speaker 1: It finally started to work, and the new emails I
Speaker 1: was getting slowed down. I also gingerly started trying to
Speaker 1: train people to send me fewer emails that email signature
Speaker 1: I had added about not sending chains longer than three emails.
Speaker 1: A colleague saw it and called me a hero. And
Speaker 1: one email threat that involved around twenty people and had
Speaker 1: gone on for more than twenty emails, I replied to
Speaker 1: it with a helpful link, explained that I couldn't add
Speaker 1: anything more to the conversation, and asked to be taken
Speaker 1: off the chain, and it worked. Meanwhile, I was responding
Speaker 1: to the relevant emails like a machine. I couldn't stand
Speaker 1: seeing my beautiful, pristine, empty email get cluttered, so when
Speaker 1: more than two or three emails built up, I panic
Speaker 1: and start responding. So I'm looking at around twelve new emails.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna zip right through them. Okay, I am
Speaker 1: supposed to submit a podcast for an award. Why not
Speaker 1: let's submit, send it done, and I'm going to delete
Speaker 1: delete great, okay, An email to someone who reports to me,
Speaker 1: which I'm copied on, so I'm going to apply to
Speaker 1: that person. So I'm saying, Hi, please do this so
Speaker 1: I don't get any more emails about it. Send delete.
Speaker 1: I was getting really good at sponding and people were noticing.
Speaker 1: Listen to all my haters who were in the studio before,
Speaker 1: eat their words. Have you noticed any changes since I
Speaker 1: started doing endbox zero? I have It's like night and day. Um,
Speaker 1: I would say, now, I you get an email and
Speaker 1: you reply instantly in a way that I would never
Speaker 1: have expected you to do. You are on it like
Speaker 1: I have. There's some stuff where I haven't even gotten
Speaker 1: a chance to like open up the email until I
Speaker 1: see your replies. I feel as that you send out
Speaker 1: more emails now, and when you are a part of
Speaker 1: a group email that I'm also I've also been on,
Speaker 1: you respond with a little more gusto than you have
Speaker 1: in the past, just maybe an exclamation point here there,
Speaker 1: definitely faster within the day a few hours tops. Um,
Speaker 1: I've noticed that you have been replying to emails in
Speaker 1: a more consistent way. I even tested you. I saw
Speaker 1: you were heading to the students to record and I
Speaker 1: send you an email and it took twenty minutes to
Speaker 1: get back to me. So I'm great at email now,
Speaker 1: everybody agrees. But it turned out that there were downsides
Speaker 1: to my new email obsession. I was cheating on my
Speaker 1: dashes instead of sticking to my prescribed three twenty minute
Speaker 1: inbox sessions a day. I was glued to my inbox,
Speaker 1: dealing with emails constantly as they came in. If I
Speaker 1: stepped away from a meeting, I was itching to get
Speaker 1: back to my desk to clean up whatever new litter
Speaker 1: was coming in or worse, I sat in the meeting
Speaker 1: clearing emails on my phone. Keeping my inbox clear had
Speaker 1: become something of an addiction, and my co workers were noticing.
Speaker 1: One thing that's happened is that your zealous emailing has
Speaker 1: kind of been eating its way into the rest of
Speaker 1: your responsibilities on those In a meeting, we were talking
Speaker 1: and someone wanted your attention, and you were all, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I just had to answer this email. That's true.
Speaker 1: I was answering an email and I wasn't listening to
Speaker 1: what she was saying in the meeting. He was right,
Speaker 1: I was getting distracted in meetings by my email and
Speaker 1: that's because by the end of the week, I had
Speaker 1: become an inbox zero person. I was totally transformed. That
Speaker 1: email flake my colleagues had been complaining about she was gone.
Speaker 1: I just love the look of that shiny, empty digital space,
Speaker 1: and I became addicted to keeping it that way. I
Speaker 1: confess I even started sneaking in sessions while I was
Speaker 1: at home with my family to do some quick email
Speaker 1: filing and deleting. The new me loves email. You sound
Speaker 1: like you really went through a transformation to someone who
Speaker 1: avoided emails to someone who was addicted to emails. Would
Speaker 1: you call all the experiment a success? Though, Yeah, I would.
Speaker 1: I did what I set out to do. I wiped
Speaker 1: my inbox constantly, and I never left the office with
Speaker 1: an unaddressed email. Would you recommend in box zero to
Speaker 1: other hopeless email cases like yourself. I can't unreservedly recommend it.
Speaker 1: It's true that being on top of your email workload
Speaker 1: feels great, and honestly, before I took stock of how
Speaker 1: bad my email habits where I didn't realize how much
Speaker 1: it was making other people's lives harder. That I wasn't
Speaker 1: being responsive. But there was no way I could stay
Speaker 1: on top of my emails without looking at my inbox
Speaker 1: virtually all the time, and that took time away from
Speaker 1: doing my real job, which it turns out is not
Speaker 1: professional email checker. With so many emails coming in, keeping
Speaker 1: your inbox empty is an uphill battle. And it did
Speaker 1: help to set lots of filters and block emails and
Speaker 1: keep some of that stuff from ever making it to
Speaker 1: my inbox, but it didn't eliminate the problem. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: we're back to the original problem of the workplace being
Speaker 1: in dated with emails and having this email problem. So
Speaker 1: what's the solution to that? Becca? I think you and
Speaker 1: I have to use our platform to make a plea
Speaker 1: to the corporate world. CEOs, managers, frontline workers. Please please
Speaker 1: let's all work together to stop sending so many emails.
Speaker 1: Just stop emailing when you know a call or chat
Speaker 1: message or in person talk would do the trick. Stop
Speaker 1: emailing just to make it look like you've gotten some
Speaker 1: work done. And please please stop spanning people with mailing lists.
Speaker 1: It's the only way we can manage our workloads. And
Speaker 1: I at least can stop passing my coworkers off. That
Speaker 1: is quite the impassioned to please, as somebody who also
Speaker 1: has an inundated inbox. I would much rather people stop
Speaker 1: emailing me than go on the inbox zero journey that
Speaker 1: you just experienced. But seriously, I am. I'm proud of you.
Speaker 1: You've gotten your work email under control. You must really
Speaker 1: feel like a new person. But I'm also wondering what
Speaker 1: about your personal email? Have you mastered that too? Not
Speaker 1: even close? Currently on my personal Gmail, I have let
Speaker 1: me check stand two hundred and forty four unready emails.
Speaker 1: That number is stressing me out. You look like you're
Speaker 1: about to die. Next week on Works for Me, it's
Speaker 1: our final episode of the season, we're going to update
Speaker 1: you on all of our experiments we've done so far
Speaker 1: and see if we've become productivity machines. Thanks for listening
Speaker 1: to the show. If you've tried any of our productivity
Speaker 1: experiments or have unresolved work problems you want to talk
Speaker 1: to us about, leave us a voicemail at two and
Speaker 1: to six one seven zero one and we might use
Speaker 1: your voice on the show, or you can tweeted us.
Speaker 1: I'm at Francisca today and I'm at RS Greenfield. If
Speaker 1: you like our show, please head on over to Apple podcasts,
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Speaker 1: show was produced by two for Foreheads and written and
Speaker 1: reported by me Francisca Leavie and me Rebecca Greenfield. Find
Speaker 1: more great Works for Me stuff, including illustrations by Jordan Spear,
Speaker 1: on our show page bloomberg dot com slash Works for
Speaker 1: Me and Francesca Levy is Bloomberg's head of podcast. We'll
Speaker 1: see you next week. Bye,