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Speaker 1: and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. Just's Charles W.

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Speaker 1: Chuck Bryant. She's done the best mood today. He just

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Speaker 1: Put on a sunshine face, Smiley. It's kind of hard

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Speaker 1: in the serial killer layer. But I hate this place.

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Speaker 1: If that's all right, we'll turn it off. Thanks Casey,

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Speaker 1: Casey as our editor again. Oh yeah, uh that's Chuck

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Speaker 1: and I'm Josh And this is stuff you should know.

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Speaker 1: That may have been her most slap dash ever intro.

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Speaker 1: Uh no, prepare for that one. Are you familiar with

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Speaker 1: the guy named Timothy McVeigh um. I do not know

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Speaker 1: him personally, but I am familiar with his work. So

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Speaker 1: a hundred and sixty eight people, including a bunch of

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Speaker 1: They were they were, but they don't have faces and

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Speaker 1: I knew that one episode to a Scott Fitzgerald. What

425
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Speaker 1: was the first reference you said that? Um, Uh, the

426
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Speaker 1: Great Gatsby was dawned by a police sketch artist. Look

427
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Speaker 1: at that. I see. I told you I'm paying attention

428
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 1: that time. You took me to the side and you

429
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Speaker 1: said you need to pay attention while the podcast, and

430
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Speaker 1: I just proved it. Okay, we can put that on.

431
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Speaker 1: So we're talking about memory, right, Yeah, and now it

432
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Speaker 1: stinks for the most part if you're well, it stinks

433
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Speaker 1: in general, but especially if you're the victim of a crime. Right. Um,

434
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Speaker 1: that's a good point. I think you should make it. Well,

435
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Speaker 1: you're stressed. It happens very fast. You're probably not thinking.

436
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Speaker 1: All right, I gotta get a good look at this

437
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,920
Speaker 1: perpetrator's face and features, you know, and have you ever

438
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Speaker 1: noticed and like a convenience store, if you look at

439
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Speaker 1: the door frame inside, it'll say like four or five, six, seven?

440
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Speaker 1: Really you know what it's for? Well, I do now,

441
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Speaker 1: but I never knew it existed. That's exactly what it's

442
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Speaker 1: force for. A wine of perpetrator runs out, the person

443
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Speaker 1: can just very easily, at the very least, get the

444
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Speaker 1: guy's height. Well, now, every convenient store rubber is just

445
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Speaker 1: going to like get small as they exit or jump. Um,

446
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:18,200
Speaker 1: so that's a great tidbit. But yeah, if you are,

447
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 1: if you are the victim of crime, you're not going

448
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Speaker 1: to recall it very accurately. Um. And one of the

449
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Speaker 1: reasons also is Congred points out that to create a

450
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Speaker 1: long term memory, it has to undergo consolidation, which means

451
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Speaker 1: we have to file it away, and the neural pathways

452
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Speaker 1: that that memory follows I have to basically be strengthened

453
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Speaker 1: over and over again. Uh. And that requires thinking about

454
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Speaker 1: that person, which you might not want to do. So

455
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Speaker 1: a strong memory may never be created, um, which means

456
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Speaker 1: that the eyewitness account may be flawed from the start.

457
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Speaker 1: It it might not even be there. If it is there,

458
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Speaker 1: it's also subject to a lot of infiltration by unreal memories. Like, um,

459
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Speaker 1: there's there's some work that's going on. Like they used

460
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Speaker 1: to think that once a memory is consolidated, it was done.

461
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Speaker 1: Apparently the guy who came up with that won the

462
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Speaker 1: Nobel Prize for it. Um. They've recently proven or shown

463
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Speaker 1: that that's probably not the case. That every time we

464
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Speaker 1: remember something, we're actually taking all of its constituent parts

465
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Speaker 1: from the different parts of our brainword store and putting

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Speaker 1: it back together. And when we do that it's subject

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Speaker 1: to infiltration. Um. So, like if you are a victim

468
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Speaker 1: of bank robbery and you're remembering the bank robbery, you

469
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Speaker 1: may also inadvertently remember a scene from a movie about

470
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Speaker 1: a bank robbery, and that detail might enter and become

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Speaker 1: part of what you think is the actual event that

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Speaker 1: you witness. That's a big problem with eyewitness testimonies. Our

473
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Speaker 1: recall is very fat it's flawed. Yeah, you know. The

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Speaker 1: other problem, says is just eyesight being poor is one

475
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Speaker 1: of the fundamental basics. I wrote another article called wire

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Speaker 1: eyewitnesses Unreliable and uh. They did a study in the

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Speaker 1: University of Virginia and it's not surprising. They found that

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Speaker 1: participants over the age of sixty performed performed much worse

479
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Speaker 1: than younger people. But what's scary is the older eyewitnesses

480
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Speaker 1: were more adamant than the younger ones. So like they

481
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Speaker 1: would have the face wrong, but be like, you know,

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Speaker 1: super adamant. That exactly. It sounds like some some old

483
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Speaker 1: guy would say. Um. And then they did some testing

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Speaker 1: with eyewitnesses and they found that even if you have

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Speaker 1: good eyesight just ten feet away, you may not be

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Speaker 1: able to tell what color and person's eyes are from

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Speaker 1: two hundred feet away, the eyes themselves like are just

488
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Speaker 1: a blur U five ft you probably won't be able

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Speaker 1: to recognize any facial features at all. And if that

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Speaker 1: sounds like, you know, big d five feet away, there

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Speaker 1: have been convictions of five feet away eye witness accounts

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Speaker 1: based on that, you know, convictions convictions based on that.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, what about twelve Angry Men. Yeah, good movie,

494
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 1: that's a great movie. Um. They've come up with this, uh,

495
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 1: this thing called DNA phenotyping that actually is showing a

496
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Speaker 1: little bit of promise, at least in theory. If a

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Speaker 1: suspect least behind some sort of um usable DNA, some

498
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Speaker 1: sort um, you can test it and you can say, oh, well,

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Speaker 1: this suspect has brown hair, brown eyes and it's probably

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Speaker 1: um um. So at the very least you have that

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Speaker 1: set and then if you could add to that eyewitness testimony,

502
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 1: that's a good. Yeah, but it's still in its infancy.

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Speaker 1: So we talked about sketching criminals. There are other things

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Speaker 1: if you're forensic artists that you do that you probably

505
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Speaker 1: don't think about a lot, but you see it a lot. Like,

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Speaker 1: for instance, this child was abducted when they were six

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Speaker 1: and here is what they might look like today at sixteen,

508
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Speaker 1: so advancing or a criminal who has been on the

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Speaker 1: lamb for fifteen years on the lamb. Or here's what

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Speaker 1: they might look like with a beard. It's believed that

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Speaker 1: they've grown out their hair, and this is what they

512
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Speaker 1: might look like. Now here's what they might look like

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Speaker 1: as a clown exactly. Here's what they might look like

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Speaker 1: as a clown under your bed. Um. So that's called

515
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 1: age progressed imagery. Um. And then they have reconstructive imagery

516
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Speaker 1: when you have an unidentified body that's decayed quite a bit,

517
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Speaker 1: and sometimes it will be sculpture even that they'll try

518
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Speaker 1: and put together what the person. And I've never figured

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Speaker 1: out how they know where to put the points, you know,

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Speaker 1: the little points that stick off of the skull that

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Speaker 1: they use as like a guide, a structure for the putty.

522
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Speaker 1: How did they figure out how long it should be

523
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Speaker 1: where it should be. I guess it's just a decision

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Speaker 1: by the artist. Or was this person really fat because

525
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Speaker 1: your skull wouldn't be this any different. But it's just

526
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Speaker 1: it blows me away, man. I bet they there's a

527
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Speaker 1: lot they know. As far as I bet it's not

528
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 1: just like surmise and they're not telling no. You can

529
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Speaker 1: probably find out take on these courses. So oh, and

530
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Speaker 1: then there's also ones where they basically touch up photos

531
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Speaker 1: of really really grewesome dead bodies if they need to

532
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 1: show the public something. Um chuck. If only nine of

533
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Speaker 1: hand drawn police sketches are recognizable as the actual suspect

534
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 1: and even fewer are computer generated um sketches to or are,

535
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Speaker 1: what's the point of police catching. I was about to

536
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Speaker 1: say there's no points, but there is a point, because

537
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Speaker 1: what it does is, like I said, it provides a lead,

538
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 1: It publicizes the crime, It gets a face out there.

539
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 1: Even if it's and then this is me talking here,

540
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Speaker 1: even if it's only nine person accurate, it's probably not

541
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Speaker 1: so inaccurate that you know, it's probably in the wheelhouse

542
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Speaker 1: as far as you know some features. That's like, this

543
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Speaker 1: is a white guy who had dark hair and bug

544
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 1: eyes exactly, So at least that put you in the

545
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Speaker 1: wheelhouse in most cases, I would say. So. Also, if

546
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Speaker 1: the witnesses all agree, oh yeah, he had a huge

547
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 1: scar across his face, well that helps. Um, just seeing

548
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Speaker 1: that in print the suspect has a scar across his

549
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 1: face might not do the same as seeing it even

550
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Speaker 1: just on a rudimentary drawing of the scar and maybe

551
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 1: the direction it's going in, maybe how long it is.

552
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 1: That's going to help tremendously as well, because you know,

553
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 1: we're visual creatures. That is certainly true. So I did

554
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Speaker 1: look up a little bit of the schooling and they're

555
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 1: all kinds of course. Is that one guy, the pencil

556
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: and paper guy. Yeah, I think he has his own

557
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 1: um website. It's very outdated, but he teaches courses. So

558
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: if you're listening out there, uh, you should up thought

559
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 1: your website might get a little more Boy, what was

560
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 1: that one website we went to? It was the cryogenics

561
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 1: won't remember? Oh yeah, that's all the worst websites I've

562
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 1: ever seen. That was pretty bad. But this lady, Karen

563
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 1: Taylor is a forensic artists and she has the you know,

564
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 1: besides the FBI, they're all kinds of courses you can take.

565
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 1: You probably should have some artistic merit to go into it,

566
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Speaker 1: otherwise why would you even be interested in it to

567
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 1: begin with? And it can involve sculpting, model making, computer graphics, animation.

568
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 1: Even so they're doing all sorts of stuff. You can

569
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Speaker 1: work with anthropologists and dental specialists and other forensic scientists.

570
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 1: It's like a team effort sometimes. You know that Um

571
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Speaker 1: you mentioned animation. You know those those Chinese UM, I

572
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Speaker 1: guess state television news where they do like the c

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Speaker 1: g I recreations of I haven't seen that big news stories. Yeah,

574
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 1: they did, remember it like anime. Heir. No, it's um,

575
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 1: it's almost like uh like instruction manual art um. But

576
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Speaker 1: they an'd be awesome. Um. They they did one for

577
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Speaker 1: that's the Steward, this guy Steward, the flight attendant guy

578
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 1: who like told everybody to go to hell and then

579
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 1: like grab two beers and slid down on the shoe. Yeah,

580
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 1: Stephen something remember him. They did one for that for

581
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Speaker 1: some reason. Normally it's like crimes that they do it too,

582
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 1: but they did it for that one. It's weird. But

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Speaker 1: I imagine, like you, you would be a forensic artist

584
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Speaker 1: in that sense because you're just taking your recounting of

585
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: the of the episode and drawing it. Yeah. Hey, do

586
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 1: you ever make note when you see something you think

587
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 1: might be shady going, especially license plates? Yeah? I do that.

588
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 1: I do license plates and I look at people and

589
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 1: think this guy looks shady and I'm just gonna take

590
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: an extra glance and notice that he's tall and has

591
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 1: long blonde hair and the horse face Sean Sean White.

592
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Speaker 1: It's never come up, but you never know. I think

593
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Speaker 1: you should. You owe it to the world to be

594
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 1: like a vigilant citizen and no CPR. Yeah, don't be

595
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 1: a dummy, that's true. Uh, let's see you got anything else,

596
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 1: Sir d V. Cooper, great police sketch. Who knows if

597
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Speaker 1: they's what? He looks like the UNI bomber. Yeah, they

598
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 1: didn't give him much to go on, like anybody with

599
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 1: a hoodie and sunglasses pretty much, which anybody who wears

600
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 1: a hoodie and sunglasses. Now it looks like the UN.

601
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,240
Speaker 1: They got the nose wrong the big time because it's Harry.

602
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: You had like Jerry curling like a perm Yeah, his nose,

603
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 1: the brilliant of bomber's nose is like really bulbous. And

604
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 1: this nose was just you know, it was a nice nose.

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Speaker 1: Anything else, Okay, let's police sketches. You can type those

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Speaker 1: words into the search bar how stuff works dot Com

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Speaker 1: and we'll bring up this great article and um you

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Speaker 1: can see some police sketches and including the one in

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Speaker 1: timis Mumick. They with a photo of him side by

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Speaker 1: side um and Uh, I said, uh, search bar in

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Speaker 1: We laughed, he cried. My name is Luke. I'm currently

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Speaker 1: a junior at Grand Valley State. Uh. I'm a bottle

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Speaker 1: deposit broke student, which I guess that's a term for

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Speaker 1: when you're turning in glass bottles for five cents, So

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Speaker 1: I guess he's also in the nineties fifties about of

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Speaker 1: the time. I'm broke because of this. I got a

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Speaker 1: job at the beginning of the school. You're making hunting knives,

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Speaker 1: and I just want to thank you both were giving

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Speaker 1: me eight stitches and a trip to the emergency room.

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Speaker 1: I always have the iPod preloaded with a variety of

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Speaker 1: stuff you should know episodes, so I'm prepared for any

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Speaker 1: situation of sheer boredom. It was while I was listening

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Speaker 1: to Why Does Music Provoke the Motion that Josh maybe

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Speaker 1: laugh so hard I was sent to the e er.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, that's really something. Thirty three minutes and forty

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Speaker 1: two seconds into the episode, Chuck, you had just officially

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Speaker 1: introduced Ben so Lee to the audience our musical guests.

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Speaker 1: I was sitting on a bench using a belt center

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Speaker 1: to sharpen blades when Ben said, all right, well, I

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Speaker 1: can't wait to hear what you all have been talking about.

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Speaker 1: Then Chuck manages to keep it cool, but Josh loses

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Speaker 1: it and starts immediately laughing hysterically. I don't remember that,

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Speaker 1: I guess because we did it in two parts and

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Speaker 1: I don't remember that, though, I like always, Josh, your

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Speaker 1: is your fault, dude. I never admitted to my employer

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Speaker 1: that it was you guys that made me laugh so hard,

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Speaker 1: But a trip to the E R and eight sigges later,

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Speaker 1: and I still can't listen to that clip without laughing

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Speaker 1: out loud. I really love the show no hard feelings

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Speaker 1: at all. Trip to the e R is good for

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Speaker 1: a person every now and again. I disagree by the way,

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Speaker 1: and my parents aren't too happy about the hospital bill.

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Speaker 1: But what's done is done well. Thanks for covering for

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Speaker 1: keep up the good work. And if you feel a desire,

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Speaker 1: can find him on Discovery Store. But thing I might

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Speaker 1: try to dig one up for this kid, but he

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Speaker 1: was legitimately injured because of our actions. Yeah. Thanks, thanks

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Speaker 1: again for covering for us, Lucan, thanks for writing, and

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Speaker 1: we're glad you're okay. Seriously, we do think you should

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Speaker 1: reconsider your trip to the e ER every once in

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