1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:02,679 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 2: After the husband's brutal attack charges were dropped, Mom's Chevy 3 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 2: is found abandoned on a remote country road. Where is NICKI? 4 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:20,239 Speaker 2: I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for 5 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 2: being with us. 6 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 3: You know, at first, I was like, Okay, maybe she's 7 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 3: still sleeping, and so I was thinking maybe her phone 8 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 3: maybe was just dead. 9 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 1: So I didn't immediately panic just yet. 10 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 3: By Tuesday, I'm like, wait a second, have you guys 11 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 3: heard from from Nicky? 12 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:39,879 Speaker 4: We have not seen her, and. 13 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 3: So this is when we're really starting to panic. That's 14 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 3: when we kind of start to panic and kind of 15 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 3: get worried about where she might be because my mom's like, 16 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:49,319 Speaker 3: oh no, I haven't seen her. 17 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:53,240 Speaker 1: Where is missing Mom? 18 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 2: Niki joining us an all star panel to make sense 19 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 2: of what we are learning since nickis peers first straight 20 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:07,960 Speaker 2: out to her sisters, Chloe Saley and kay Ford. Chloe, 21 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 2: tell me your recollection of when you realize something was 22 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:13,119 Speaker 2: horribly wrong. 23 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 5: Starting Tuesday was when I started realizing that we haven't 24 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:18,839 Speaker 5: heard from her and that. 25 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 4: Wasn't very likely of her. 26 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 1: What about it? 27 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 6: Kay? 28 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:24,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean by that point, even though we don't 29 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 4: see each other on a daily basis. We do have 30 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 4: consistent communication and there have been a few messages that 31 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 4: if she was not able to reply to immediately, she 32 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 4: would have replied to within a day or two, and 33 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:40,559 Speaker 4: at that point it had been way too long without 34 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 4: a response. 35 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:46,919 Speaker 2: Joining me, Tad Debias out of DC, former assistant US 36 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 2: attorney and author of Nobody Homicide Cases, a practical guide 37 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 2: to investigating, prosecuting, and winning cases when the victim is 38 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 2: missing and you can find him at Nobody Murder Cases 39 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 2: dot com. 40 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 1: Tad, thanks so much. 41 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 2: For being with us limited and narrow question right now. 42 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 2: The sisters realize immediately something is wrong when Nikki is 43 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 2: not responding as she normally would have to text messages, 44 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 2: and more and more we find that that is the 45 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 2: beginning of a timeline. 46 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 1: And let me. 47 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 2: Refer you, Tad, in case you know very well of 48 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 2: Gabby Petito. Her family waved goodbye as Gabby goes on 49 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 2: a cross country trip with Fyance Brian Laundry. 50 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 1: But on their way. 51 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 2: Back, or so they think, they began getting odd text 52 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 2: from Gabby and they knew the text were odd because 53 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:49,959 Speaker 2: Gabby referred to her grandfather by his name. For instance, 54 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 2: if I was going to text my mom about my dad. 55 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:55,080 Speaker 2: Instead of saying, Hey, where's Daddy. What if I said 56 00:02:55,200 --> 00:03:00,640 Speaker 2: where's Walter Malcolm Gray Senior. That's a dead giveaway. Something 57 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 2: is wrong. That's happening more and more. 58 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:06,640 Speaker 7: Toad absolutely and Nancy. The reason that's really important is 59 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:11,360 Speaker 7: it enables investigators to put an exact time on when 60 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 7: something may have happened. In the past, when we didn't 61 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 7: have these electronic communications and texting, it made it much 62 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 7: more difficult for investigators to put that TikTok, that exact 63 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:26,960 Speaker 7: time on when something happened. So in this case, we 64 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 7: know almost to the hour when we suspect something happened 65 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 7: to Nicky. 66 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 2: You know two win Is Gibbons also joining us Director 67 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 2: Operations USPA nation Wide Security, leading a team of investigators 68 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 2: who specialize in finding missing people. Brian A criminal timeline is, 69 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 2: in my mind, one of the most important building blocks 70 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 2: of a criminal investigation, and that timeline could start in 71 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 2: any number of ways. For instance, here's a great refresher. 72 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 2: Oj Simpson murdered Nicole Brown, and many people believe the 73 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 2: timeline started when Nichole's dog started wailing. 74 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 1: The dog Akita. 75 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 2: Outside the home they had never heard that before, and 76 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 2: many people believe that is where the timeline started. 77 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:24,359 Speaker 6: Yeah, and in this case, Nancy, we can start the 78 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 6: timeline around twelve thirty five at night on May seventeenth, 79 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:33,719 Speaker 6: when that last text message exchange was received between Nicki 80 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:37,280 Speaker 6: and her sisters. So you know, there's a pretty definitive 81 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:39,679 Speaker 6: point there of when her last communication where. 82 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 2: Their family was straight back to Chloe and Kay, Nikki's sisters. 83 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 1: You know, we. 84 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:52,039 Speaker 2: Keep hearing that there are no new developments in Nikki's disappearance. 85 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 2: I disagree for number one. Correct me if I'm wrong. 86 00:04:56,440 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 2: Isn't it true a woman has moved in with Key's husband? 87 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, we have seen and heard that there is 88 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:08,040 Speaker 4: a woman living there and it's likely his girlfriend. 89 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 2: Okay, I hate to keep using the same example, but 90 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 2: Scott Peterson is good for so many criminal examples. 91 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 1: Joining me. 92 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:20,840 Speaker 2: Investigative reporter with Crime online dot coment Alexis Tereschuk. Do 93 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 2: you remember when Lacy Peterson went missing? It was no 94 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 2: time at all that had passed with Scott Peterson, her killer. 95 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 2: Her husband had ordered the porn channel, tried to sell 96 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 2: her car, and tried to sell the home. Furniture included 97 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 2: let's just say he did not expect her to walk 98 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 2: through the front door. 99 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 1: Not at all. 100 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:45,280 Speaker 8: He did everything that he wanted to do with her 101 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 8: just being gone because he didn't think she was going back. 102 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:50,280 Speaker 1: And so this Nicki's. 103 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 8: Husband, not even a year after she's gone missing, already 104 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:56,279 Speaker 8: has a woman living with him. And this is almost 105 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 8: a year to the day from when he was arrested 106 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 8: for domestic violence for attacking her right before the holidays. 107 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:05,280 Speaker 8: Seat right before Christmas in December of last year was 108 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 8: when he was arrested for assaulting her. 109 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: I mean two. 110 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 2: Doctor John Delatorie joining US renowned psychologist, got a question 111 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 2: for you. Your expertise is forensic psychology, right delatory Yes, okay, 112 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 2: you recall the name Tex McIvor, the silk stocking lawyer 113 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 2: and a huge national law firm based he was based 114 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 2: in Atlanta when he's still practice law. His wife was 115 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:36,599 Speaker 2: shot by him, he claims, accidentally, and he immediately had 116 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 2: a giant basically a yard sale and a fancy boutique 117 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 2: insignment store in Atlanta, where I. 118 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:46,280 Speaker 1: Believe he made nearly three hundred thousand. 119 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:51,479 Speaker 2: Dollars ish off furs and jewelry and stiletto Hills she 120 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 2: Diane McIvor was a corporate boss herself of Carrie Limos, 121 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:03,159 Speaker 2: So she had all all of these beautiful fancy clothing 122 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:07,279 Speaker 2: and jewelry that she would wear to events. Oh it 123 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 2: took him no time at all, boo boop, and he 124 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 2: put all of herself up for sale consignment. 125 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 1: Hello yeah. 126 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 2: No. 127 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 9: For cases similar to this, we have to understand that 128 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 9: the person never really cared about their partner they were 129 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 9: They always believed that the partner was getting in their way, 130 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 9: that there were some kind of obstacle that they needed 131 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 9: to get rid of. That level of animosity rises to 132 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 9: the point of violence. Similar to this case that even 133 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 9: though the case was dismissed, and it was dismissed for 134 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 9: a different reason than it didn't happen. 135 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 2: Of course, in this case, no one has been charged 136 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 2: with murderer, manslaughter, nothing. The husband was charged with a 137 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 2: brutal assault on Nikki prior to her disappearing, prior to 138 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 2: her Chevy being found abandoned on a remote country road. 139 00:07:55,280 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 2: Those charges were dropped, probably tad tobias because Nicki didn't 140 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 2: show up in court to testify. 141 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 1: But those charges have been dropped and he has not 142 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 1: been named as a suspect in this case, Tad what 143 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 1: about it? 144 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 7: So that probably likely is the reason why the charges 145 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 7: were dropped because, as you know, Nancy being a former prosecutor, 146 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 7: when you don't have the victim in a domestic violence case, 147 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 7: it doesn't mean the case can't be prosecuted, but it 148 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 7: means you've got to go through other means other than 149 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 7: having the victim's testimony. Maybe you have an officer who 150 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 7: saw injuries. Maybe you have statements made by Nicki that 151 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 7: can come in even though she's not there, some type 152 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 7: of excited utterance, a statement to a medical professional. It 153 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 7: just becomes more difficult to make that case without the victim. 154 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 7: And depending on the evidence, it may be able to 155 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 7: be done. But that's what the prosecutors are going to 156 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:53,239 Speaker 7: have to determine, and to date it appears they determined 157 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:55,560 Speaker 7: that they cannot go forward with the case, so they 158 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 7: dropped it so that they reserve the right to bring 159 00:08:58,200 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 7: the case back later. 160 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 2: Of course, some assault can be made without the victim testifying, 161 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 2: but it's much more difficult. Brian Fitzgibbons, Director Operations USPA 162 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:15,679 Speaker 2: Nationwide Security. Do I have to say the name Drew 163 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 2: Peterson is like eating dirt. The former police officer who, 164 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 2: no doubt, in my mind, murdered wife at number four, 165 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 2: Stacy Peterson. 166 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 1: Her body has. 167 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:29,560 Speaker 2: Never oh my goodness, what is there a thirty year 168 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 2: age gap, let's just start with that. But that said, 169 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 2: her body has never been found, although I think I 170 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:43,320 Speaker 2: know where it is. Drew Peterson gave away Stacy's firs, 171 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:50,080 Speaker 2: her fur coats, and laingerie and bikinis to another woman. 172 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:54,680 Speaker 2: So obviously, Brian, he did not expect her to come 173 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:58,080 Speaker 2: in to put on her coat, right, she wasn't coming. 174 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 6: Home, Oh, exactly, Nancy. And you could see Tyler McCain's behavior. 175 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:06,200 Speaker 6: He's been videoed in and out of courtrooms in Shasta 176 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 6: County with a very similar demeanor. So you know this 177 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 6: does echo the Drew Peterson case quite a bit. 178 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 2: Doctor John Delatory joining me around, psychologist, forensics psychologist, Doctor Delatory. 179 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:25,199 Speaker 2: As in the case of Drew Peterson giving away Stacy's bikinis, 180 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 2: her lingerie. Who would want the used lingerie of a 181 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 2: woman missing. That's a whole other can of worms. But 182 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 2: he knews Stacy wants. 183 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 1: To coming home. 184 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:36,320 Speaker 2: And can I just add the name Kathleen Savio that 185 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 2: was former cop Jrew. Peterson's third wife found dead in 186 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:42,679 Speaker 2: a bone dry bathtub. 187 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:43,559 Speaker 1: But it was just. 188 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:48,560 Speaker 2: Chalked off that she slipped in the tub, okay, because 189 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 2: the tub was completely dry and her body was not 190 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 2: even remotely moist at all. 191 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:56,679 Speaker 1: Her hair was dry, everything about her was dry. She 192 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 1: was covered in bruises, but as she slipped, he was. 193 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 2: She was later exhumed, Delatory, and the case is proven 194 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 2: that he killed her. 195 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 1: That's why he's in. 196 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 2: Jail, not because fourth wife, Stacy Peterson is still missing. 197 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:17,080 Speaker 2: That said doctor DELATORI what idiot wouldn't wait to sell 198 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 2: the clothing or remarry or just get the porn channel 199 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 2: for Pete, saying, you know what kind of huble l 200 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 2: would break loose if I came home from this studio 201 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 2: and I found the porn channel on our direct team. 202 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:35,479 Speaker 1: Oh no, that I would. 203 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:38,679 Speaker 2: Change the locks and I wouldn't even call a divorce lawyer. 204 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 2: It would be ady. I would do it myself. Delatory. 205 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 9: Yeah, no, you would anticipate that these guys, you know, 206 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:49,119 Speaker 9: the individuals who are engaging in these kinds of offending behaviors, 207 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 9: would be more sort of criminalistic, right, that they would understand. Listen, 208 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 9: you also have to fight the court of public opinion. 209 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 9: But the reality is is that they can't. They're so 210 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 9: impulsive that the moment that they engage in the crime 211 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:08,720 Speaker 9: that's so called let them free, then they want all 212 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:11,079 Speaker 9: the freereedom again. They want to do everything that they 213 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 9: wanted to do because the weight of being in a 214 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 9: relationship is no longer around it. They're only interested in 215 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 9: what gives them pleasure. They're not interested in what it 216 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 9: makes them look like, or they don't even care about 217 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 9: attempting to find their partner. None of that stuff matters 218 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 9: because they're just going to do what they can do 219 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 9: to make themselves feel good. 220 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 2: Doctor Delatry, I only have a JD. But I could 221 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:36,200 Speaker 2: have said everything that you just said. I'm looking to 222 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:40,079 Speaker 2: you for clinical names. 223 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:42,200 Speaker 1: What kind of behavior is this? 224 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 2: I mean, I can guess a narcissistic where you which 225 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 2: is after the mythological character Narcissus, who was so in 226 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:57,440 Speaker 2: love with himself, is looking into a pond, staring at 227 00:12:57,480 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 2: his own reflection. 228 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 1: And fell in and died. Think is how that goes? 229 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 2: Yes, I can armshare quarterback that and say that all 230 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:08,559 Speaker 2: of the guys we've named from tex macaiv Or to 231 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:12,720 Speaker 2: Drew Peterson to Scott Peterson in a relation. We're all narcissists, 232 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 2: I get that, but it's a whole other level where 233 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 2: you commit acts that could implicate you in a murder. 234 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:28,200 Speaker 9: Yeah, And there is no diagnosis that is there that 235 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 9: would compel someone to engage in a violent act. That 236 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 9: doesn't exist. However, a person's personality and decision making can 237 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:40,080 Speaker 9: be to the point that they believe that they that 238 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 9: they can have power and control over anyone in their lives, 239 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:47,319 Speaker 9: and they will find people to subjugate and to ridicule 240 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 9: and to embarrass, and they will engage in these behaviors 241 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:52,959 Speaker 9: in order to make themselves feel good. But the reality 242 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 9: is is that the person wanted something. They wanted to 243 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:00,560 Speaker 9: have some kind of freedom, and they believe that being 244 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 9: in a relationship meant that they could not have that freedom, 245 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 9: and they were angry and they decided to take it 246 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:10,560 Speaker 9: out on these people. I mean, Nicki's one of hundreds 247 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 9: of thousands of people, all different kinds of women that 248 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 9: are out there suffering in silence because people are not 249 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 9: talking about domestic violence and intimate partner violence and understanding 250 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 9: how these things happen. And the difficulty with which the 251 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 9: women find themselves and being able to extricate themselves from 252 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 9: these relationships. 253 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 254 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 2: Again, the husband of Niki Chin is not a suspect. 255 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 1: Let me be clear. 256 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 2: He has not been named a suspect in Nikki's disappearance. 257 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 2: He is innocent until he is charged and taken to 258 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 2: court if that day should ever come, and proven guilty 259 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 2: beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law. However, 260 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 2: it's sop started operating procedure. When a woman goes missing, 261 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 2: or when a man goes missing, for that matter, when 262 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 2: a woman is killed or a man is killed for 263 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 2: that matter, the first place you look is the husband 264 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 2: or wife, the lover, the ex lover, the ex boyfriend, 265 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 2: all the way back to the middle school boyfriend for 266 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 2: Pete's sake, that has been lovelorn and pining all these years. 267 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 2: I mean to you, Ted Tobias joining Us, author of 268 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 2: No Body homicide Cases. 269 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 1: That's where you start a criminal investigation. 270 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 2: Why there doesn't have to be any proof, it's statistics. Statistically, 271 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 2: it's those closest to the missing or murdered victim. That's 272 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 2: typically where the fault lies, but not always. 273 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 7: That's absolutely right, though, Nancy, what you're talking about is 274 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 7: statistically and nobody cases you have something like fifty four 275 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 7: percent are domestically related husband and wife, boyfriend, girlfriend, ex husband, 276 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 7: ex wife, parent child. That is the majority of these 277 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 7: types of murders, which we don't know that we have 278 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 7: that here, of course, because Nikki is still missing, but 279 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 7: it certainly seems after seven months that that may be, unfortunately, 280 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 7: where we might be headed. And of course in that investigation, 281 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 7: you're going to start with the husband. 282 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 10: The sisters of Nicki Chang Slee McCain say what tip 283 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 10: them off about their sister's suspicious disappearance were the messages 284 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 10: they got from her husband, Tyler McCain. Previously, when Nicki 285 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 10: would leave after a fight with Tyler McCain, Tyler would 286 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 10: contact her sisters telling them to pass along messages to Nicki, 287 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 10: tell her I love her, tell her I'm sorry. But 288 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 10: this time he didn't. This time when he texted the sisters, 289 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 10: he texted, I think she's missing. I don't know. I 290 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 10: think she's missing talking to the sun Us. Nikki's sister, 291 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 10: cave Forward says, so his response was different than normal, 292 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:05,119 Speaker 10: and that was definitely a factor for us in starting 293 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 10: to worry. 294 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 3: I think she was afraid, so she wanted to be 295 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:12,480 Speaker 3: I'm your older sister and I'm okay, and she didn't 296 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 3: want to scare me. 297 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 11: We didn't know to which degree it had escalated. The 298 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 11: incident in December was definitely eye opened it for us, 299 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 11: but she was so terrified. 300 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 2: Where is Nikki Chang joining me? In addition to an 301 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 2: all star panel to analyze what we know so far? 302 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:36,160 Speaker 2: Her two sisters, Chloe and Kay Well listen to this. 303 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:39,399 Speaker 10: Family and friends of Niki Chang Sale McCain continue to 304 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:42,160 Speaker 10: show their support for the missing mother of four. Whenever 305 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 10: her husband, Tyler McCain shows up for a court appearance, 306 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:48,440 Speaker 10: a crowd gathers showing support for Nicki. Crowdsing not as 307 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 10: big as they were months ago, but still they gathered 308 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 10: to seek justice and try to bring Niki Chang Sale 309 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 10: McCain home. May chow Lee, one of the supporters, attends 310 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 10: the rally wearing a T shirt that says, just for Nicki. 311 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:05,200 Speaker 2: If his brutal assault charges were dropped, and they were 312 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 2: allegations he horribly beat Nikki prior to her going missing, 313 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 2: those charges were dropped, so why is he going back 314 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:14,359 Speaker 2: to court? 315 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:17,400 Speaker 12: The most recent arrest for Tyler McCain is a traffic 316 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:20,440 Speaker 12: related offense. He was arrested for driving on a suspended 317 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:23,719 Speaker 12: license in a car without a license plate. During that stop, 318 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:27,679 Speaker 12: deputies found ammunition in his car. That ammunition violated his 319 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:30,680 Speaker 12: criminal protective order and that is what got him arrested. 320 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:34,359 Speaker 2: Okay, Lysis Drestchuk joining US Crime online dot Com investigative reporter, 321 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 2: explain to me why this guy keeps going to court. 322 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 2: If the assault charges on Niki were all dropped, why 323 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 2: is he in court. 324 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:44,960 Speaker 8: So there was a protective order against him, and when 325 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 8: you're have a protective order, you can't have guns or 326 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 8: ammunition or things like that. 327 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 1: So he got pulled over for a trive violation. 328 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 8: I believe he didn't have the license plate on his car, 329 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:58,160 Speaker 8: which is illegal. So they pulled him over, they ran 330 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 8: his name, and they realized that there was a protective 331 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 8: order against him in the car. There was ammunition that 332 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:08,159 Speaker 8: the police saw, and so that is what lamathaim and 333 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 8: jailis has nothing to do with her with Nicky's disappearance 334 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:14,400 Speaker 8: at all. It's a violation of his protective order. 335 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 2: To Chloe, this is Nicki's sister. What happened to the 336 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:20,640 Speaker 2: fire incident. 337 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:25,640 Speaker 5: So after the investigation, it was Tyler was cited for it, 338 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 5: and he did admit to the fire and saying that 339 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 5: it was just an accident. 340 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:33,440 Speaker 4: And we believe that the fire in investigation is still ongoing. 341 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 1: Okay, what do you mean by that. 342 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:38,439 Speaker 4: I don't think they've closed the case yet. I think 343 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 4: they're still investigating it. But right after the fire, Tyler 344 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 4: was the one that went up to the reporter and 345 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:46,920 Speaker 4: said that he accidentally started the fire. 346 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 1: Well, I do know this. 347 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 2: It was confirmed that an individual who is McKay was 348 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 2: cited for being involved in starting a fire in Alinda. 349 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 2: Now I'm trying to figure out exactly what happened there. 350 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 2: The homeowner is Tyler McCain and he confirmed he's the 351 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:13,679 Speaker 2: person who was cited for starting the fire. It's my understanding. 352 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 2: He says the fire was ignited after he parked a 353 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 2: car on dry gas. The fire was started by a 354 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 2: failed catalytic converter that expelled hot fragments into dry grass. 355 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:34,200 Speaker 2: Now that's the way I understand it, Kay, Is that correct? 356 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 1: Is that what he told authorities at the time correct? 357 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 2: Because you know Tad Debias joining us former assistant US 358 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:46,880 Speaker 2: attorney and author of nobody homicide cases. Very often after 359 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:50,359 Speaker 2: a crime is committed, you see the perp try to 360 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 2: destroy evidence, like what might be in a car. 361 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:58,440 Speaker 7: Absolutely, Nancy. Again, very common in any type of murder 362 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:01,680 Speaker 7: case where you have some time to try and destroy evidence, 363 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:04,879 Speaker 7: be it in a car, it could be in a house. 364 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,640 Speaker 7: You're going to try and clean up if you can, 365 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 7: and if you can't clean it up, you may try 366 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 7: to destroy it. We're not saying that's what happened here, 367 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:17,439 Speaker 7: but certainly a suspicious fire on the property of Tyler 368 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:21,879 Speaker 7: McCain burning up a car owned by him, The timing 369 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 7: is certainly very suspicious in connection to when his wife 370 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:26,119 Speaker 7: went missing. 371 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 2: Yes, I want to review the timeline too, Kay, this 372 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 2: is Nicki's sister. Do you recall the day that you 373 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 2: realized Niki was missing? 374 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 4: The mate was the last contact with the family. But 375 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:45,879 Speaker 4: when we realized that she was missing was the twenty thirds, 376 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 4: it was a few days later or twenty it was 377 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 4: the Wednesday. It was the falling Wednesday is when we 378 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 4: all got into a separate family group text analyze our 379 00:21:56,520 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 4: timeline the last communications, and that was when we came 380 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 4: to that conclusion. 381 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 2: Now I know that the fire started July third, and 382 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:11,439 Speaker 2: up until that time, Nicki's disappearance has largely been treated 383 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 2: as a missing person's case. Now let me stress again, 384 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:19,119 Speaker 2: Tyler McCain has not been named as a suspect in 385 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 2: the disappearance or death of Niki Chang. That has not happened, however, 386 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:31,120 Speaker 2: Brian Fitzgibbons. In other cases, we often see evidence destroyed 387 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:32,960 Speaker 2: after someone goes missing. 388 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:35,880 Speaker 1: Let me just throw out the case of Brian Walsh. 389 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:40,960 Speaker 2: Okay, his wife Anna went missing and her body has 390 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:44,719 Speaker 2: never been found. But Brian Walsh, her husband went on 391 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 2: a cleaning extravaganza. Not good enough, but he did. After 392 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,879 Speaker 2: she goes missing. Evidence I believe was destroyed. 393 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 1: Big question here, Nancy too. 394 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:58,360 Speaker 6: July third, That fire by the catalytic converter was two 395 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:02,440 Speaker 6: days before Tyler McCain is due back in court on 396 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:06,440 Speaker 6: the domestic violence charges. So you know, making the correlation 397 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 6: that there was a potential for him destroying evidence is 398 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:10,479 Speaker 6: really strong. 399 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:15,360 Speaker 13: Here hubby sets fire to a car while wife reported missing. 400 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:19,200 Speaker 13: Where is Niki Chang? Sale McCain that. 401 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:22,639 Speaker 2: Case, The torching of the car was deemed, as of 402 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:27,880 Speaker 2: right now to be an accident. That said, what's happening 403 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,680 Speaker 2: now many people claiming there are no new clues and 404 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 2: this search for Nicki chang I disagree Listen. 405 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:35,640 Speaker 10: The Reading Rancheria, in an email to Dayline, says both 406 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 10: local and warranted searches were conducted on the property, but 407 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,639 Speaker 10: they are unsure where exactly Nicki was last seen and 408 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 10: are unaware of any evidence that would indicate Niki disappeared 409 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:49,359 Speaker 10: on the reservation. When Nicki vanished, so did her Chevy Avalanche, 410 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,680 Speaker 10: and the Shasta County Sheriff's Office located it in western 411 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:56,440 Speaker 10: Tahama County, about an hour's drive from the Reading Rancheria. 412 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 10: When it was located, there was no sign of Niki 413 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:00,480 Speaker 10: Chang Si a game. 414 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 2: I'm very curious as to whether the interior of her 415 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:08,680 Speaker 2: off her Chevy had been wiped down to Alexis estat 416 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 2: crime online dot Com investigative reporter tell me about the 417 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:12,119 Speaker 2: discovery of her vehicle. 418 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:13,880 Speaker 8: So it was found weeks later, and it was home 419 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 8: fifteen miles away from where she supposedly dropped it off. 420 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:18,640 Speaker 8: She was supposed to drop it off at her mother 421 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:22,640 Speaker 8: in law's home, the mother of her husband. That's where 422 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:23,440 Speaker 8: she kind of disappeared. 423 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 1: She was supposed to drop it off and get a 424 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 1: ride home. 425 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 8: Nobody knows what happened to her after if she got 426 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 8: to the house, dropped it off, and then the car 427 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:33,440 Speaker 8: was not found for weeks. But it was found fifteen 428 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,920 Speaker 8: miles away from the mother in law's home, straight out. 429 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 2: To Nikki's sisters joining us continuing the search for Nikki, 430 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 2: Chloe and Kay joining me. Chloe sally where her vehicle 431 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 2: was discovered that was an hour away? Is that within 432 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:54,439 Speaker 2: any route she normally took, Like you can look at 433 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 2: victim's typical routes, Like a mom goes to the school, 434 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 2: she goes to work, she may go to the grocery store, 435 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:04,399 Speaker 2: and she comes home, Yes, Sarah variations. Maybe she go 436 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,159 Speaker 2: visits friends or relatives, Maybe she goes to a workout class, 437 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 2: maybe she goes to the mall. But there is a 438 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 2: route that mom normally takes. What about where her Chevy 439 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,159 Speaker 2: was found, because as I recall, it was in a 440 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:20,560 Speaker 2: very odd area, way off the beaten path, as if 441 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 2: it had been part as I recall, underneath an overpassed, 442 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 2: as if it were put there not to be found. 443 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 5: Yet that area is Nikki wouldn't have no reason driving 444 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 5: out in that area. 445 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 2: Kay and Chloe, Where is your understanding as to where 446 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:36,919 Speaker 2: her vehicle was found? 447 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 4: No, I'm not sure. I believe it was. There was 448 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:44,359 Speaker 4: one location that we thought the vehicle was left, but 449 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 4: I believe it was found another location that's just as remote. 450 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 2: You know, Brian Fitzgibbons joining us USPA Nationwide Security. It's 451 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:59,640 Speaker 2: my understanding that law enforcement released the shot of that overpass, but. 452 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 1: Where the vehicle was found was somewhere very different. 453 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 6: The vehicle was actually found about twenty miles to the 454 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 6: west on a pull off off of Bowman Road, and 455 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:15,159 Speaker 6: I believe it's Route thirty six heading in a westerly direction. 456 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:20,920 Speaker 2: Okay, are you saying Beaumont, Bowman, Bowman, Bowma n Okay. 457 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 2: Back to Chloe and k with that development, alter your 458 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 2: opinion that the location where vehicles found is far out 459 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 2: of the realm of her normal route. 460 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:32,600 Speaker 4: Yes. 461 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,479 Speaker 1: Did she have anything going on in Bowman? 462 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,960 Speaker 2: Work there, visit there, friends there, family there, anything. 463 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 1: I mean, that's a long way away. 464 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 4: Tyler Stanley does have property out there, but that's not 465 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:48,720 Speaker 4: it's typically a vacant. They don't live there on a 466 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,800 Speaker 4: regular basis, so they do have property out there, but 467 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,320 Speaker 4: there's no reason for her to be driving out there 468 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 4: or visiting for any reason, especially in the middle of 469 00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 4: the night or without Tyler. 470 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:01,880 Speaker 1: Okay, question who has property out there? 471 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:07,160 Speaker 4: Tyler's family, his grandma, and I think uncle and some cousins. 472 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 2: Okay, let me understand this and let me make sense 473 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:13,560 Speaker 2: what I'm hearing. Chloe, k are you telling me her 474 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:18,480 Speaker 2: vehicle was found in the vicinity of his family's property, 475 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 2: property that they owned. 476 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 4: Yes, it's correct. 477 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 1: Yes, Crime stories with Nancy Grace. 478 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:34,959 Speaker 2: Okay, Delatory again, no one has been named a suspect 479 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:39,720 Speaker 2: in Nikki Chanin's disappearance. Let's just be clear about that, doctor, Delatory. 480 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:44,680 Speaker 2: Dare I bring up Scott Peterson again? But Scott Peterson 481 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:51,120 Speaker 2: was quite the fisher. Correct, and Lacey's body was dumped 482 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 2: at a marina near his home, San Francisco Bake Marina. 483 00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 2: That is where witnesses spot him coming in towing the 484 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 2: boat behind him, which many believe carried Lacey's body on it. 485 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 2: Then he disappears into the tree line. He cannot be seen. 486 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 2: He first said he was going to play golf, that 487 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:17,280 Speaker 2: he did play golf that day, but then rot row 488 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 2: the Marina employee Stydah no, no, no, no, I saw 489 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,679 Speaker 2: him coming here, and there's probably video surveillance of that. 490 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:29,119 Speaker 2: But that said, he went, oh yeah, I didn't go 491 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 2: play golf. I went fishing on a cold, rainy day 492 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:39,320 Speaker 2: Christmas Eve, placing himself at the location where the body 493 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 2: was dumped. Now, again, the husband in this case has 494 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:47,440 Speaker 2: not been named a suspect. But wouldn't you agree, generally speaking, 495 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:51,160 Speaker 2: doctor delatory, I mean, everybody thinks silently if you had 496 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 2: to bury a body off the top of your head, 497 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 2: where would you go? 498 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 1: I know where I would go. 499 00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,160 Speaker 2: I would go to a little known spot called Seven 500 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 2: Bridges in rural bib County that we had to cross 501 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 2: every day we went from our home to the city 502 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:12,520 Speaker 2: of Making. It's nothing but swamp, okay, nothing, but that's 503 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 2: where I would go. 504 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 1: Who would think to look there? 505 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:20,000 Speaker 2: So why is it that we find a fairies doings 506 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,560 Speaker 2: proof and a place where the purp is familiar? 507 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,120 Speaker 9: Well, it's because it's exactly what you just said, because 508 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 9: it's familiar. No one is saying that any of these 509 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 9: individuals are criminal masterminds, like highly sophisticated thinking through all 510 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 9: of the different consequences and playing chess. It sounds to 511 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,760 Speaker 9: me like Tyler tends to maybe be a checkers player 512 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 9: as opposed to a chess player. So it's not uncommon 513 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 9: then to think that if something were to happen, let 514 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,480 Speaker 9: me do the thing that I know the best, let 515 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,320 Speaker 9: me let me go to the place that I know 516 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:53,880 Speaker 9: the best. 517 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 1: Let me go. 518 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,840 Speaker 9: To to engage in the behaviors that I know I 519 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,719 Speaker 9: can do the best. You do the these kinds of 520 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,720 Speaker 9: things because you are aroused to the point that you're 521 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 9: not thinking straight and you're not thinking through how you 522 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:11,680 Speaker 9: should be engaging in criminal and criminal behaviors. You're engaging 523 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 9: in behaviors that you are comfortable in engaging in. 524 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:20,560 Speaker 2: That vehicle found near the property of Nicki Chang's husband's family. 525 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 10: Tyler McCain has been married to Nicky Sale McCain for 526 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 10: thirteen years, and they have four children together. Tyler McCain's 527 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,840 Speaker 10: criminal record includes a felony burglary charge in two thousand 528 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 10: and eight, then a DUI in twenty twenty, driving on 529 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:36,120 Speaker 10: a suspended license January twenty twenty three, driving suspended August 530 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 10: twenty twenty three, driving suspended October twenty twenty three, then 531 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 10: on December sixth, twenty twenty three, fel any corporal injury 532 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:46,479 Speaker 10: to a spouse, fel any false imprisonment, fell any criminal threats. 533 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 10: Describing the victim in the alleged assault by Tyler McCain, 534 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 10: the deputy pointed out the woman was only four feet 535 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,000 Speaker 10: eleven inches tall and weighing one hundred pounds. She could 536 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 10: not defend herself against the much bigger and stronger Tyler McCain. 537 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 13: Hubby to a car while wife reported missing. Where is 538 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 13: Niki Chang Sale McCain? 539 00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:10,200 Speaker 14: The NorCal Alliance for the Missing set up a Facebook 540 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:14,240 Speaker 14: page Help a Fine Nikki Chang Sale McCain and has 541 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:17,719 Speaker 14: more than four thousand followers with active posts from family 542 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:21,320 Speaker 14: and friends. The page is very active and provides updates 543 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:24,880 Speaker 14: about justice rallies and reminders that Nikki is still missing. 544 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,840 Speaker 14: The page has a reminder that there is a thirty 545 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:31,640 Speaker 14: thousand dollars reward money available for information that leads to 546 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 14: locating Niki Chang Sale McCain. 547 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:39,240 Speaker 1: Two Nikki's sisters, Chloe Sally and kay Ford. Chloe do 548 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,120 Speaker 1: you feel or believe. 549 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:44,000 Speaker 2: That law enforcement is continuing to search for Nicky? 550 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:47,120 Speaker 4: Who? Do you think law enforcement is actively investigating the case. 551 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:52,160 Speaker 4: There are other activities going on in town, so there 552 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:55,880 Speaker 4: might be some more focused one at certain times that 553 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,920 Speaker 4: we are in consistent communication with them, So even if 554 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,880 Speaker 4: there's nothing to report, they are still checking in with us. 555 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 4: So we do feel that they are actively investigating. 556 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:09,320 Speaker 2: Still got a question for the sisters. Is a husband 557 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 2: still in touch with you regarding the search for Nikki? 558 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:13,960 Speaker 1: His wife? 559 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 4: The communications, if any, have mostly been initiated on our part, 560 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:24,040 Speaker 4: so any searchers or anything like that. We haven't been 561 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 4: in communication with him about. 562 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,480 Speaker 1: Does he continue to call you retainly? 563 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,280 Speaker 4: He No, Yeah, I have not gotten a phone call 564 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:30,760 Speaker 4: from him. 565 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:34,560 Speaker 5: I think it's been about maybe since this summer was 566 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 5: the last time he called me. But I did go 567 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,680 Speaker 5: to his house on the day of Nikki's birthday, which 568 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:43,880 Speaker 5: was November nine, and what happened I my older brother 569 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:48,280 Speaker 5: was there. My older brother to ask Tyler like where 570 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 5: is she? 571 00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:49,320 Speaker 4: You know? 572 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:49,840 Speaker 1: Where is she? 573 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:50,280 Speaker 14: Man? 574 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:53,640 Speaker 5: And I remember asking Tyler, can you please you have 575 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,120 Speaker 5: a lot of resources, you have all these connections. Can 576 00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:59,040 Speaker 5: you please help us and can you please just help 577 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,800 Speaker 5: us come look for nick? He and his responses, Yeah, 578 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 5: of course I'll do anything. But I believe that actions 579 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:07,360 Speaker 5: speak louder than words. 580 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,160 Speaker 1: And what have been his actions to help us? 581 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:10,760 Speaker 4: I asked him? 582 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,320 Speaker 1: There have been in no action? 583 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:17,920 Speaker 2: Okay, I think I'm translating, but you are relatives. Went 584 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:19,640 Speaker 2: and said please help us find her, and he said 585 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:20,120 Speaker 2: sure and. 586 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:20,760 Speaker 1: Then did nothing. 587 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 5: Yeah, nothing, No phone call and he calls beyond random 588 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:28,480 Speaker 5: different phone numbers, and now I pick up every phone 589 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 5: call I get, hoping maybe it's him wanting to help, 590 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,240 Speaker 5: but unfortunately it's it's not him. 591 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:36,880 Speaker 1: Where are Nicky's children now? 592 00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,840 Speaker 4: They are base day between Coloye and myself. 593 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:41,200 Speaker 1: Jesse, come see the children. 594 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,120 Speaker 4: He's not allowed to see the children based on a 595 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,520 Speaker 4: previously established court order through their tribe, and I. 596 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:51,000 Speaker 10: Think I understand why. Listen Wednesday night, around eight thirty, 597 00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:54,000 Speaker 10: Nicky Sale McCain is in her bedroom combing her hair. 598 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,240 Speaker 10: Her husband of thirteen years, Tyler McCain, arrives home in 599 00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,480 Speaker 10: a strange mood. In a matter of minutes for no 600 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:03,080 Speaker 10: ap pair of Tyler McCain aggressively jumps on top of Niki, 601 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,920 Speaker 10: holding her on the ground, then dragging her around, yelling 602 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 10: what are you doing? Nicki SALEA McCain says Tyler McCain's 603 00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,000 Speaker 10: eyes are glazed over, like he's having some type of 604 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:15,719 Speaker 10: mental episode. Nicky tries calming her husband, but it doesn't work, 605 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:17,759 Speaker 10: and he holds her down and begins hitting her in 606 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,960 Speaker 10: the face. The terror escalates over a three hour period, 607 00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:24,400 Speaker 10: with McCain binding Nicki's wrists and ankles together with tape, 608 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,240 Speaker 10: putting tape over her mouth so she couldn't speak properly, 609 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,360 Speaker 10: rolling his wife onto her stomach. Tyler McCain sits on 610 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:33,919 Speaker 10: her back, pulling her hair back, forcefully pulling her head 611 00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:35,640 Speaker 10: back and telling her he's going to kill. 612 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,920 Speaker 2: Her Somehow covered and bruises in with black eyes. Nicki 613 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:43,600 Speaker 2: manages to get loose from her bindings, grabs a robe, 614 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:47,880 Speaker 2: keys runs out, gets in her car. McCain chases her 615 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,120 Speaker 2: out of the home, jumps on the hood of her car, 616 00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:54,520 Speaker 2: telling her to stop ignoring him. She flees to safety 617 00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:58,840 Speaker 2: at her sister's home. Back out to the sister's Chloe 618 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:00,760 Speaker 2: and Kave, what do you recall that evening? 619 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,400 Speaker 5: I didn't hear what happened until a few nights after, 620 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:09,080 Speaker 5: But when she was telling me about it, tell me 621 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:12,719 Speaker 5: about what had happened that the evening, I was very 622 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:17,960 Speaker 5: shocked and just from looking at Nikki, she looked horrible, 623 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,719 Speaker 5: and I knew that it's something. This is not right, 624 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:22,319 Speaker 5: This is not how a person should be. 625 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:23,319 Speaker 1: What does look like? 626 00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:27,360 Speaker 5: Her face was swollen, her both her eyes were black. 627 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,680 Speaker 5: I didn't even I couldn't even recognize her. She looks 628 00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:34,480 Speaker 5: so different, and I was terrified looking at her because 629 00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:35,160 Speaker 5: how bad she. 630 00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:38,360 Speaker 1: Looked as terrestak. Are those the charges that have been dropped? 631 00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:40,160 Speaker 8: Yes, for now they are? 632 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:41,879 Speaker 1: What do you mean for now they are? 633 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,160 Speaker 8: Well, the charges haven't dropped because they said that there 634 00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:47,359 Speaker 8: is there she Nikki is not there to testify against him, 635 00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,479 Speaker 8: But they haven't been They're not dropped, and they can't 636 00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:52,920 Speaker 8: ever be refiled again. The district attorney has been very 637 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:56,960 Speaker 8: clear saying we're doing this now because if something else happens, 638 00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:02,839 Speaker 8: if any new evidence comes forward, this will enable us to. 639 00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,879 Speaker 1: Go forth with new charges. Tad Debias joining us. 640 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:08,360 Speaker 2: Author of nobody homicide case is former prosecutor as a 641 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:14,760 Speaker 2: fed TAD. I recall when all the evidence was gone 642 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:19,919 Speaker 2: where the case couldn't be prosecuted, defense attorneys would beg 643 00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:24,080 Speaker 2: me to null pross a case, which would mean it 644 00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:29,960 Speaker 2: could never be revived. No way, we had a tool 645 00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:33,520 Speaker 2: called a dead docket, which basically means it's taken off 646 00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:37,480 Speaker 2: the court docket and it will be revived when the 647 00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:38,880 Speaker 2: evidence is found. 648 00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:40,400 Speaker 1: There's a big difference. 649 00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,040 Speaker 2: And in this case, apparently, and I know you're familiar 650 00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:47,600 Speaker 2: with this, those charges are simply dead docketed. 651 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,240 Speaker 1: They're not an all prost. That's correct, Nancy. 652 00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:53,799 Speaker 7: You can have a case dismissed with prejudice or without prejudice. 653 00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,920 Speaker 7: When it's dismissed with prejudice, it means it cannot be 654 00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:01,080 Speaker 7: brought again. In this case, what the prosecute data essentially 655 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,920 Speaker 7: is dismiss the case on their own without prejudice, which 656 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,239 Speaker 7: means that the case can be rebrought. 657 00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:09,400 Speaker 1: Where is Niki Chain now? 658 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:13,840 Speaker 2: Many people are stating there is no new evidence. I disagree. 659 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:19,560 Speaker 2: Brian Fitzgibbons is joining me, Director Operations, USPA Nationwide Security. Brian, 660 00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:21,160 Speaker 2: what should be done now? 661 00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:27,160 Speaker 6: So there's been quite a bit of public searching for Nicki, 662 00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,160 Speaker 6: and I think right now we need to keep this 663 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,719 Speaker 6: reward out there. We need to keep that Nikki's information 664 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:39,080 Speaker 6: alive on these social media platforms because someone out there 665 00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,520 Speaker 6: knows something about what happened in Niki and it's just 666 00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:44,360 Speaker 6: a matter of time before they come forward. 667 00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:48,560 Speaker 2: To doctor John delatorre, forensic psychologists, what do you believe 668 00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:51,560 Speaker 2: needs to be done now? And let me remind everyone again, 669 00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:56,200 Speaker 2: the husband is not a suspect. He has not been arrested, 670 00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,800 Speaker 2: he has not been charged, he has not been named 671 00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:04,440 Speaker 2: suspect in Nikki's disappearance. We don't know what happened to Nicki. 672 00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:07,640 Speaker 2: Doctor John delatory what should be done now? 673 00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:08,080 Speaker 6: To me? 674 00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:10,960 Speaker 9: I think it's pressure to me. I think you need 675 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:15,439 Speaker 9: to pressure Tyler McCain's family. A lot of times people 676 00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,160 Speaker 9: are willing to do certain things for family members that 677 00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:21,799 Speaker 9: unless you start getting like actual law enforcement pressure on 678 00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:26,839 Speaker 9: you that you don't recognize as being kind of problematic. 679 00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,240 Speaker 9: So the more pressure you can put on the family, 680 00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,879 Speaker 9: the more pressure you can put on the community, the 681 00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:37,200 Speaker 9: more the community actually bands together to keep Nicki's name 682 00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,960 Speaker 9: out there. I think all of that type of pressure 683 00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:43,279 Speaker 9: can can shake some things loose and the truth can 684 00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:43,840 Speaker 9: be revealed. 685 00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:48,520 Speaker 2: And to Chloe and Kay, Nicki's sisters who still continue 686 00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:52,920 Speaker 2: the search for Nicki, what is your message sisters. 687 00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:56,439 Speaker 5: Plans keep sharing Nicky's story, Please don't stop talking about her, 688 00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,560 Speaker 5: Just like what was said, we need the pressure on 689 00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:02,720 Speaker 5: so that someone can come forward. 690 00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,480 Speaker 4: And we're still searching all the time, whether it be 691 00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:10,319 Speaker 4: online or through records and making connections, and we have 692 00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:14,120 Speaker 4: a group of people who are still still working very 693 00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:18,160 Speaker 4: hard to find some answers. So we want everyone to 694 00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:22,160 Speaker 4: still stay built, stay stay vigilant, and keep your eyes 695 00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:23,399 Speaker 4: on everything on the case. 696 00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:28,239 Speaker 2: The reward has now climbed to thirty thousand dollars. If 697 00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,319 Speaker 2: you know or think you know anything about the disappearance 698 00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:36,080 Speaker 2: of Nikki Chain, please dial five three zero two four 699 00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:38,759 Speaker 2: five six five for zero. 700 00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,839 Speaker 1: Repeat five three zero. 701 00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:48,000 Speaker 2: Two four five six ' five four zero. We remember 702 00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:53,200 Speaker 2: an American hero police Chief Christopher Cummings Samberg PD, Tennessee 703 00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:56,960 Speaker 2: chief comings passed away in the line of duty, serving 704 00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:01,600 Speaker 2: law enforcement twenty nine years plus a US Army vet 705 00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:06,759 Speaker 2: and Tennessee National Guard vet. Survived by son Matthew Stepson 706 00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:15,200 Speaker 2: Easton and partner April. American hero chief of police Christopher Cummings. 707 00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:19,120 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend.