Speaker 1: Give my phone number and go on the road for
Speaker 1: a couple of days. I get back to my house
Speaker 1: and I check my answer machine and he's on my
Speaker 1: answer machine. And the first message he left me in
Speaker 1: my whole life, I haven't talked him in fifteen years.
Speaker 1: He asked me for fifty thousand dollars. I was like,
Speaker 1: are you kidding me?
Speaker 2: Episode four fifty four with Darius Rucker. He's got a
Speaker 2: new book called Live's Too Short, a memoir by Darius Rucker.
Speaker 2: It's out today, so get it. I've read little snippets
Speaker 2: of it. I will read the book. I love Darius.
Speaker 2: You may have heard my first interview ever. Darius and
Speaker 2: I are friends. You know what this book, which again,
Speaker 2: I have read the whole thing, so I'm gonna be
Speaker 2: honest about it. I was waiting till the full book
Speaker 2: came out because mostly when they send out the books
Speaker 2: that are I won't call them sample, but like early versions,
Speaker 2: the punctuation's not right. It's basically just hey, read this
Speaker 2: if you see anything wrong with it. Edison one of
Speaker 2: those out to it, and there's a lot of stuff
Speaker 2: wrong with it. Hey, my book had errors after it
Speaker 2: was all the way out, but so I read parts
Speaker 2: of Darius's book, and I think I start this interview
Speaker 2: if I remember, because we did a few weeks ago
Speaker 2: before he left to go overseas. I got started by going,
Speaker 2: like what drugs.
Speaker 1: Are the best?
Speaker 2: Because people don't really associate Hoodie with like doing anything wrong,
Speaker 2: not really. They went hard, and so I just wanted
Speaker 2: to know. I wanted to set the tone like we're
Speaker 2: gonna talk about a lot of stuff here, but like
Speaker 2: what's the best drug? Because I don't know. I only
Speaker 2: he was expecting that question, which is why I asked him.
Speaker 2: That's why I led with that. So I'll read you
Speaker 2: a little bit about the book, a raw, heartfelt memoir
Speaker 2: from three time Grammy Award winning, multi diamond selling lead
Speaker 2: singer of Hoody and the Blowfish. And he is also
Speaker 2: on my book imprint, not even just my book company,
Speaker 2: but the specific imprint. We're on the same one. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So Darius talks the story about his dad, and you'll
Speaker 2: hear it. I thought about this, that story for a month,
Speaker 2: because we did this leading up so we could put
Speaker 2: this out at the time. His dad's showing up in
Speaker 2: the restaurant. That's a tough one. Holy crap, The book
Speaker 2: is at Darius Rutger dot com. It's also in the
Speaker 2: podcast Notes or Amazon. You can get signed copies on
Speaker 2: Barnes and Noble. He's got a single called Southern Comfort,
Speaker 2: which you can check out his album, which came out
Speaker 2: last year's Caroline's Boy. But here we Go. It's Darius
Speaker 2: Rutger got a new books. This is a good one.
Speaker 2: I mean I think we both like started crying at
Speaker 2: some one point. Okay, I think this is a record
Speaker 2: for the amount of you and the Yeah, I never
Speaker 2: really know him and like when he's getting emotional makes
Speaker 2: me emotional. All right, enjoy here we I'm going right now,
Speaker 2: Darius Rutger, Episode four fifty four. This is first time
Speaker 2: that we've ever done this for like this long.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we've never done a full length interview.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've done lots of like we've we've hung out
Speaker 2: a bunch, yeah, but never like And here's why this
Speaker 2: is exciting to me. I would never ask you some
Speaker 2: of like the geek out questions that I would want
Speaker 2: to ask you in person were like hanging out and I
Speaker 2: want to be like, so when you met Mark, you
Speaker 2: knows a different environment. But when I saw that you
Speaker 2: were writing a book which I don't have. Nobody said
Speaker 2: it to me. I was supposed to pre read it. Yeah, no,
Speaker 2: I never got it.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I would to say, you have told me.
Speaker 1: I would have said it to you.
Speaker 2: Oh no, No, I didn't know if I missed it,
Speaker 2: because I would have read it. Instead of lying about
Speaker 2: read it like I do sometimes, I would have actually
Speaker 2: read it. But then I'll just ask questions and you
Speaker 2: can tell me if it's in the book or not.
Speaker 2: What's going to do?
Speaker 1: Like that?
Speaker 2: Life's Too Short? A memoir by Darius Rutger. Why I
Speaker 2: write a book?
Speaker 1: Now? Oh? They've been asking I've been asked for years
Speaker 1: to do it, and I just kept saying no. I
Speaker 1: kept saying no, And I would say if I ever did,
Speaker 1: it was going to be my kids are grown, when
Speaker 1: they're adults, because because you know, if I was going
Speaker 1: to write it, I was going to tell the story.
Speaker 1: And if you tell the true story, you know it's
Speaker 1: it's not a little more than PG.
Speaker 3: Sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I.
Speaker 1: Just figured it was time. It just seemed like a
Speaker 1: good time to do.
Speaker 2: It without getting any any stories yet? Did you like
Speaker 2: pre warn them about stories or are you just gonna
Speaker 2: let them experience some of the stuff they don't know.
Speaker 1: Oh, I pre warned them. The funny thing is, you know,
Speaker 1: I've been pretty open with them about, you know, the
Speaker 1: life I've lived since they've grown up, and you know,
Speaker 1: so I don't think it's anything's going to surprise them,
Speaker 1: but some of the stories will. Probably they'll be taken back.
Speaker 2: Man, if I say something wrong, stop me. I'm going
Speaker 2: to make a lot of assumptions here based on simple
Speaker 2: conversations that we've had. But to me, I was a
Speaker 2: massive fan of Hoodie in The Blowfish, both Hoody and
Speaker 2: The Blowfish, and to me, it seemed like you guys
Speaker 2: because they would show you like singing in choir at
Speaker 2: South Carolina. There was this image of you guys that
Speaker 2: was wholesome as crap. Yes, everything about you guys was
Speaker 2: like down the massive songs, you're playing a pop radio
Speaker 2: down the middle. You look clean, you look nice, but
Speaker 2: probably a lot of alcohol, a lot of drugs, yes,
Speaker 2: more than we would ever think because of the image
Speaker 2: that we had of you.
Speaker 1: I think there are some stories in the book that
Speaker 1: are going to surprise people. I mean, if if it
Speaker 1: wasn't us, it wasn't like if the story was Nirvana
Speaker 1: or the story, it wouldn't be why.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why because what we thought us.
Speaker 1: It's surprised but uh yeah we we we went hard
Speaker 1: and there's no and then I don't pull any punches
Speaker 1: in the book. I tell the stories and the the
Speaker 1: funny stories and the crazy stories. But uh, I think
Speaker 1: that's gonna be something at first that people because you're right,
Speaker 1: we were the clean cut you know, boys next door.
Speaker 1: You know that that that everybody. That's how everybody saw
Speaker 1: us because our music was that way too. And uh
Speaker 1: but I think there was some people would be not surprised,
Speaker 1: but the book will make you go, oh that that happened.
Speaker 2: Uh. A personal question that I have, what's the best
Speaker 2: drug I never tried? I want to try? Oh my god,
Speaker 2: you're asking me that, Like I want to know because
Speaker 2: I want to try them all. I've not tried any
Speaker 2: of them. I don't even drink alcohol. I would love
Speaker 2: to have it all. I love to just have like
Speaker 2: a week, and I know that I would not be
Speaker 2: if you said, like a Godchaid, Bobby, you have one week,
Speaker 2: you can do every drum pretty good and you will
Speaker 2: not be addicted like your family. What's the best?
Speaker 1: Oh goodness, I can't believe you're going to be to
Speaker 1: answer this question. Ah, extacy is the best?
Speaker 2: And did you take a pillow under the tongue or
Speaker 2: does that work?
Speaker 1: Both?
Speaker 2: Even the name of it, I mean, twenty years is
Speaker 2: the name of it? Sounds like it should be.
Speaker 1: That's that's that's That's what I always say about that
Speaker 1: particularly drug. They explain it to you, what it is
Speaker 1: by the.
Speaker 2: Day, is that the one where you get really dehydrated.
Speaker 1: You do get most of you get dehydrated, but yeah,
Speaker 1: you get really dehydrated, but you just get really happy.
Speaker 2: Can you get addicted to ecstasy? I don't like they
Speaker 2: say you can't me they say you can't get addicted
Speaker 2: to weed?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Probably, man, that one sounds awesome. I wouldn't even put
Speaker 2: that on my list because I don't. But that's my
Speaker 2: list of drugs with the best names that I think
Speaker 2: I want to be addicted to. It's do you just
Speaker 2: want to like have sex with everything?
Speaker 1: It's not that so much. It's I always say that
Speaker 1: if you if you if you think something's okay, you
Speaker 1: like it a lot, you like it, you love it,
Speaker 1: And if you love it. It's the greatest thing that's
Speaker 1: ever hit the earth.
Speaker 2: What's being drunk?
Speaker 1: Like, you're stupid? That's really you're stupid.
Speaker 2: But do you know you're stupid?
Speaker 1: No, you don't know. You don't you wake up?
Speaker 2: You and I might be drunk every hour of the
Speaker 2: day already.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you might wake up. You know, you wake up
Speaker 1: and somebody says you did something you don't remember it,
Speaker 1: and you feel like a complete told jerk.
Speaker 2: When I I had a brief so I had some
Speaker 2: issues where I got jumped and got pistol whipped and
Speaker 2: and you know, attacked and whatever. The job my career
Speaker 2: as did yours. It got to a weird place where
Speaker 2: I started to have success. Some of the things that
Speaker 2: are not fun about it. Yeah, out of nowhere they
Speaker 2: kind of hit me. And so I having all these
Speaker 2: security threats and I couldn't sleep, and I my doctor
Speaker 2: was like, Okay, we're gonna try everything. I just didn't
Speaker 2: want to have any pills doctor. So then I eventually
Speaker 2: like our ninth thing. He was like, we're gonna do
Speaker 2: this is an ambient type drug and tried it. Got
Speaker 2: a bit dependent on it where I felt like I
Speaker 2: was tethered to it. If I was going anywhere, it
Speaker 2: was with me, just in case, and then I would
Speaker 2: take it and then be like, no, I'm gonna go
Speaker 2: and work through it for like four hours, and then
Speaker 2: I would not remember the next day I would wake up.
Speaker 2: I was facetiming people. I don't know what I showed
Speaker 2: them on FaceTime. That's the only thing I can think about.
Speaker 2: Being drunk and like blacken out. I was like, oh
Speaker 2: my god, what did I even do?
Speaker 1: What did I do? What did I do? And then
Speaker 1: you hear and you go, I did that? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it sucks. Weh.
Speaker 2: I used to drive off with the gas pump in
Speaker 2: the car. Really did it twice.
Speaker 1: Really.
Speaker 2: I would go to work. I don't remember any of
Speaker 2: the shows, but even here, and I would pump gas
Speaker 2: and I would drive off in the gas pump would
Speaker 2: be in the car when I like came to came
Speaker 2: to like and I was like, man, being drunk socks
Speaker 2: like to me, that was the only and I had
Speaker 2: to stop doing that. It was very hard, but that
Speaker 2: was my drunk and I didn't like it, but also
Speaker 2: didn't get to like have fun. Like all my friends,
Speaker 2: I'm the only one that doesn't drink and they look.
Speaker 1: Like they have a fun.
Speaker 2: I just want to have fun.
Speaker 1: I mean, everything's fun until it's not fun anymore, or
Speaker 1: everything's fun until you take it too far. You know,
Speaker 1: like you can drink and not get really drunk and
Speaker 1: have a great time. I couldn't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you could, I drink everything. I would be.
Speaker 1: You know that. That's why you don't.
Speaker 2: That's why I don't do it would crush it.
Speaker 1: Exactly When did you?
Speaker 2: When were you able to sing where people were like, hey,
Speaker 2: you're actually better than other people around your age.
Speaker 1: Four or five? Really, we knew early. My mom would
Speaker 1: tell me when I was five, you have your voice
Speaker 1: is different. You've got a great voice. You was singing
Speaker 1: those Algreen songs and sounding just like al Green, and
Speaker 1: you have a d voice for a kid, No the
Speaker 1: kid I had, you know, tenor like everybody else.
Speaker 2: Really yeah.
Speaker 1: Actually, one of the funny stories I tell is, uh,
Speaker 1: I was thirteen, I guess, and I was in the
Speaker 1: house and my mom put on an Algreen record and
Speaker 1: I started singing the al Green record and I tried
Speaker 1: to add the high note and I couldn't hit it
Speaker 1: because my voice was changing. And I started crying because
Speaker 1: I realized I couldn't sing like that anymore. It's pretty disapprning.
Speaker 2: Do you think that your mom, she's pretty supportive in general.
Speaker 2: Very Do you think that her telling you at four
Speaker 2: or five that you were advanced even though she believed it,
Speaker 2: but that also made you feel like you were Therefore
Speaker 2: you achieved more because you're believing yourself was stronger.
Speaker 1: Absolutely? Absolutely, I mean because she believed me so much.
Speaker 1: And like you say, a lot of parents, because you know,
Speaker 1: we will see idol or whatever and somebody will say, yeah,
Speaker 1: my family said I can sing, and then they sing
Speaker 1: and you go, your family and are been lying to
Speaker 1: you all these years, And that happens a lot. But uh,
Speaker 1: the reason I was so confident was because was my mom.
Speaker 1: She was always so confident in my talent and always
Speaker 1: telling me you're special. This is not a joke, You're special.
Speaker 2: Is your mom still alive now?
Speaker 1: No? She? Uh eighty nine?
Speaker 2: You put on the one last record?
Speaker 1: Right? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, she died a ninety before we
Speaker 1: ever made it.
Speaker 2: Actually, really, where how far did you get or did
Speaker 2: you even commit to being a band that was gonna
Speaker 2: try while she was alive? Or are you just doing
Speaker 2: you did.
Speaker 1: Yes, we was. She died in ninety one. We started
Speaker 1: the band in eighty six, so yeah, we had we
Speaker 1: definitely committed to. We were out playing clubs.
Speaker 2: What was she like as a mom and what was
Speaker 2: she like? What would her friends say about her? Oh,
Speaker 2: her mom?
Speaker 1: Her friends would say she was the funniest person. But
Speaker 1: she was also that person you could always count on
Speaker 1: if you had a problem, especially her work friends, your friends,
Speaker 1: or friends or nurse friends. You know, if you had
Speaker 1: a problem and it was an emergency and you needed
Speaker 1: somebody to work for you, and you could always call
Speaker 1: my mom and she'd go in for you and not
Speaker 1: complain and not worry about it, not only because she's
Speaker 1: helping you, but also because hell, we could use the money,
Speaker 1: you know. And so she was just funny and fun
Speaker 1: and she was that mother who worked her butt off.
Speaker 1: She worked all the time. But you know, you'd be
Speaker 1: so you met your football game and you know, all
Speaker 1: you know, be the third quarter and you look up
Speaker 1: and there she was walking in from work, you know,
Speaker 1: tired of she could be showing up for that game
Speaker 1: to watch just the last two quarters and you're already
Speaker 1: down twenty eight. But she's yelling like you know, she's
Speaker 1: yelling like you we were winning, and you could hear
Speaker 1: her yellow on the sidelines and she was she was.
Speaker 2: That kind of money your dad, relationship with your dad.
Speaker 1: None. None. That was It's funny because I'm I was reading.
Speaker 1: I was doing the uh the uh what do you
Speaker 1: call it? Audiobook for the book, and I'd read it,
Speaker 1: you know, I've read it a couple of times, and
Speaker 1: I started reading the parts about my dad, and that's
Speaker 1: the only part that I was like choking up. I
Speaker 1: was like, really, because I didn't know how much it
Speaker 1: bothered me until I wrote the book. I didn't know
Speaker 1: how much it really just shaped my life and bothered
Speaker 1: me my whole life until I wrote the book, and
Speaker 1: then I was like, wow, that was that really really bothered?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's real. I had those issues with writing my
Speaker 2: first book because with a lot of stuff about my
Speaker 2: mom before she died and her and same, I was like,
Speaker 2: I didn't understand like how fundamentally, like even misunderstood. I
Speaker 2: was to myself, Yeah, until I like put it out,
Speaker 2: and then I'm like, well, I got to evaluate and
Speaker 2: then even debating on putting it out, so putting it
Speaker 2: on paper or writing it's the first set then going
Speaker 2: do I really want to send this? And like having
Speaker 2: that conversation of how on committing to it and then
Speaker 2: you're right Reading it back was really hard.
Speaker 1: There was some that was tough with the dad. Stuff
Speaker 1: was stuff, But there's stuff in the book where you know,
Speaker 1: as you're writing it, you're writing it and you know
Speaker 1: you're you're laughing or whatever, you're you're whatever, or you know,
Speaker 1: but then when you read it back a couple of
Speaker 1: times you go, wow, wow, crazy.
Speaker 2: Did you have a new appreciation for the younger version
Speaker 2: of you at times who's gotten through some real serious
Speaker 2: crab Yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Really that was something that also happened. That's perfect saying
Speaker 1: I got a really a lot more respect for me
Speaker 1: and an appreciation for me because all the stuff, all
Speaker 1: the negative stuff and the positive stuff, but all the
Speaker 1: stuff that happens that happened when I was younger. Man,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't gonna let anything stop me from doing what
Speaker 1: I wanted to do.
Speaker 2: And if it were another kid who you saw from you,
Speaker 2: you'd be like so proud of that freaking kid. You'd
Speaker 2: be like, I cannot believe that kid's doing it. But
Speaker 2: if it's us, we're like, now we're just surviving there,
Speaker 2: We're you know, we're in the middle of it. We
Speaker 2: don't really understand except survive absolutely, and so same for me.
Speaker 2: I had it's weird to say an appreciation for that
Speaker 2: kid who got through like all that crap. Absolutely, and
Speaker 2: that book was a real therapeutic.
Speaker 1: That's that's exactly what it was. And that's one of
Speaker 1: the reasons I wrote it. And I didn't even realize
Speaker 1: that was one of the reasons to go once again.
Speaker 1: You started writing, you start writing it, and you're reading
Speaker 1: it back and stuff's coming in and you read it
Speaker 1: and you're you're going, wow, wow. You know, you're proud
Speaker 1: of yourself, but you're also like, wow, life really through
Speaker 1: some crowballs in there.
Speaker 2: Did you ever get the the stage of as you're
Speaker 2: writing it, like, man, I'm so over me, Like I'm like,
Speaker 2: nobody cares that much. I mean, I went through all yeah,
Speaker 2: that's just like I was. It's all about me. I
Speaker 2: was writing about me and me me. I'm like, God,
Speaker 2: nobody cares.
Speaker 1: I called Clarence, my manager, and said, dude, why are
Speaker 1: we doing this? I was like, no one's gonna buy
Speaker 1: this book. Nobody cares about my life. I was like, dude,
Speaker 1: And then you know, you're you're worried about some of
Speaker 1: the stuff you put in You're like and you're like,
Speaker 1: am I really gonna put that in there? And then
Speaker 1: you put it in there and you're like, nobody's gonna
Speaker 1: care about that, you know, like even even you know,
Speaker 1: now you know, I've written a book, and I still like,
Speaker 1: no one's gonna care about this.
Speaker 2: Same I had the same feeling, and I remember being
Speaker 2: ashamed not of what I put in it, but ashamed
Speaker 2: of the potential feelings I could have when people were
Speaker 2: judging me. And so you're, yeah, that's oh my goodness.
Speaker 2: So you're you're at the stage now where people and
Speaker 2: it's it's so different than music though, because you're gonna
Speaker 2: put out this book and you're gonna be like, all right,
Speaker 2: I read it for people to tell me and take
Speaker 2: us like forever to read a book. Yeah, so you
Speaker 2: just kind of they it's a slow roll of like people.
Speaker 2: But there was a part in my first book where
Speaker 2: my mom was struggling and she was a bad addict,
Speaker 2: and she had called and I started to make a
Speaker 2: little bit of money and she was like, if you
Speaker 2: don't give me money, I love my mom, so I'm
Speaker 2: gonna say that. But there was a where she was like,
Speaker 2: I'm going to do porn, and that was really heavy
Speaker 2: and hard on me, but it was also a it
Speaker 2: made me realize how awful it was for her and
Speaker 2: like I knew, but I didn't really like yeah, but
Speaker 2: when she called and threatened me like I'm going to
Speaker 2: do porn if you don't send me money, I had
Speaker 2: that where I was like, I don't know if I
Speaker 2: should put this in the book, but because of what
Speaker 2: I had to develop, because so I put it in
Speaker 2: with the context around it, and I thought people are
Speaker 2: going to judge me, or people are going but that's
Speaker 2: the thing when I would go do shows that people
Speaker 2: would be like, not the exact same story, but fairly
Speaker 2: sa that people would be like. That's what I related
Speaker 2: to the most, And that was the part I felt
Speaker 2: that I was going to be the judge the most
Speaker 2: on was that type of stuff, the really personal stuff
Speaker 2: abs so the fact that you have those like, I'm
Speaker 2: proud of you, because then that means you put it
Speaker 2: out there.
Speaker 1: Oh, I put it out there for sure. This is
Speaker 1: one thing I talked about in the book where I
Speaker 1: don't see my dad from the time I'm like thirteen
Speaker 1: or fourteen till I'm twenty eight. Fifteen years Nope, not
Speaker 1: a word. Never saw his face.
Speaker 2: Do you know where it was?
Speaker 1: Yeah, fifteen minutes from a house, you know, he lived
Speaker 1: right up the road and never saw fifteen years and
Speaker 1: then let him and hits and things that start getting crazy.
Speaker 1: And we're playing. We're playing out a string of clubs
Speaker 1: and rooms that we had booked and uh so we're
Speaker 1: playing in Charleston at the King Street Palace, which used
Speaker 1: to be Charleston County Hall, and I'm having dinner after
Speaker 1: sound check and he walks in the room. Do you
Speaker 1: know it him? Yeah, Dean. Dean knew it was him
Speaker 1: before I say anything, like Diana, yeah, Deana Basis. We're
Speaker 1: sitting there eating and Dean looks up and goes, I
Speaker 1: mean he just looked at what. Oh, that's got to
Speaker 1: be your dad. He looks just like it like it is,
Speaker 1: and he walks over and he talks to me and actually,
Speaker 1: really actually, you know, we saw each other yesterday and
Speaker 1: I decided I'm going to be the bigger man. And
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, cause really, you have so
Speaker 1: many conflicting things. I'm like, am I gonna just blow
Speaker 1: this gulf? I'm gonna tell him, what are you doing here?
Speaker 1: I haven't seen you in fifteen years? You know? Get away? No,
Speaker 1: I said, all right. I decided I was going to
Speaker 1: be the bigger man try to develop some kind of
Speaker 1: relationship with him. So we talked for a little while,
Speaker 1: and I give him my phone number. This before cell phones.
Speaker 1: I give my phone number and go on the road
Speaker 1: for a couple of days. And I get back to
Speaker 1: my house and I checked my answer machine and he's
Speaker 1: on my answer machine. And the first message he left
Speaker 1: me in my whole life, I haven't talked to him
Speaker 1: for fifteen years. He asked me for fifty thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: It was shocking. I was like, are you kidding me?
Speaker 1: And painful and expect me to give it to him? Yeah?
Speaker 2: And here you are hopefully investing yourself back into something.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And the first that's I like, that hurt to my
Speaker 2: heart because that's just that's so painful. And I can
Speaker 2: understand being mad and like I can't believe it, but
Speaker 2: also big time because that's your freaking Dade, and maybe
Speaker 2: and you.
Speaker 1: Know, and when he came with I'll never forget, like
Speaker 1: reading ready back of course, like we were talking about,
Speaker 1: it hurts, you know, therapeutic, and I'll never forget after
Speaker 1: him coming and us going on the road, how I
Speaker 1: just felt like, Okay, cool, now Dad and I have
Speaker 1: a relationship. We'll try to have some kind of salvage
Speaker 1: something for father and son relationship out of this. And
Speaker 1: that was the first thing he asked. He asked me,
Speaker 1: and I don't think we've ever really had a conversation
Speaker 1: after that.
Speaker 2: Is he still alive?
Speaker 1: No, he died a few years ago.
Speaker 2: Did you go to this funeral?
Speaker 1: I did it. Sat in the back.
Speaker 2: I often thought if I wonder if I could go
Speaker 2: to my real dad's funeral, you know, he left when
Speaker 2: I was six or whatever.
Speaker 1: Sat in the back, didn't take my kids or anything. Wow,
Speaker 1: And what was that like for you? It was amazing
Speaker 1: to me because I'm sitting in the back and all
Speaker 1: these people are getting up and speaking and talking about
Speaker 1: how great this guy is, and I'm going, well, he
Speaker 1: was great to everybody else but me obviously, which is
Speaker 1: absolutely amazing.
Speaker 2: Why do you think that he was estranged from you?
Speaker 1: I think he had so many kids around town that
Speaker 1: I was another headache. And I never complained to my mom,
Speaker 1: never complained. So you're not complaining, you know. Oh I
Speaker 1: don't really care.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Squeaky will Yeah that squeak was up.
Speaker 1: So I'm not gonna come. See you're not complaining.
Speaker 2: It also sucks. He was so close.
Speaker 1: That's the thing that bothers me so much. I can't
Speaker 1: imagine as a father. I can't imagine my kid living
Speaker 1: five minutes fifteen minutes from me. I literally lived fifteen
Speaker 1: minutes from him and not seeing him for fifteen years.
Speaker 1: I can't imagine that.
Speaker 2: You and I had a conversation and the last couple
Speaker 2: of months or so when I was talking about my
Speaker 2: fears of being a father, and you very were very
Speaker 2: upfront and direct, and I was like, I'm scared be
Speaker 2: a dad because I don't have a model. My dad sucked.
Speaker 2: I don't want to be that. I feel like there
Speaker 2: could be that inside of me, just because it was
Speaker 2: inside of him.
Speaker 1: And you were like nope.
Speaker 2: And then you used you as an example, which is
Speaker 2: the best example, because it's not you going why this
Speaker 2: guy didn't have a dad? Yeah, and now look at him.
Speaker 2: But you were like Nope, look at me. And you
Speaker 2: talked about the love you have for your kids. Yeah,
Speaker 2: what is that You can't explain a feeling, but explain
Speaker 2: a feeling.
Speaker 1: I always say that my kids know where I am
Speaker 1: twenty four hours a day. They can get in touch
Speaker 1: with me twenty four hours a day. If my phone
Speaker 1: cell phone rings, they don't get me, there's somebody in
Speaker 1: my camp that will find me. And that is because
Speaker 1: of my whole life. I never knew where he was
Speaker 1: and my love for my kids. That's why I can't understand,
Speaker 1: you know, dads like our dad. I just don't understand
Speaker 1: how you can walk away from a kid like that.
Speaker 1: Because of my love for my kids, you know, unconditional,
Speaker 1: no matter what, I'm going to be there for them
Speaker 1: and be supporting them. And I mean I feel I
Speaker 1: think I feel stronger because I didn't have a dad,
Speaker 1: because I didn't.
Speaker 2: Have this, because you came out on the other side
Speaker 2: with all the tools in the strength. Yes, I bet
Speaker 2: you wouldn't wish that on your on your on a kid,
Speaker 2: No way.
Speaker 1: No way. I wouldn't wish, especially a male kid. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't wish a female you know, female kid too, but
Speaker 1: like a boy growing up without a dad.
Speaker 2: How did you do son, male things without a dad
Speaker 2: there to teach you those things?
Speaker 1: Well, usually I didn't unless but I got lucky. I
Speaker 1: have five guys who I grew up with, who i've known,
Speaker 1: like four of them I have known. Sulf was like
Speaker 1: six months. We grew up in the same neighborhood, and
Speaker 1: their dads were great to me. Like I told, I
Speaker 1: told this great story. And it's another moment where I'm reading,
Speaker 1: I'm reading, you know, doing the audiobook, and I get
Speaker 1: choked up, and I'm telling the story about uh losing
Speaker 1: the championship game in our ten year old football league,
Speaker 1: and you know, it was a great season. We should
Speaker 1: have won it. And the last, our last game, we're
Speaker 1: all sitting we lost, and we're sitting there and everybody's upset,
Speaker 1: and the coach goes, well, you know, we'll see you.
Speaker 1: We'll see every parady a week at our father's son
Speaker 1: dinner and you know, I couldn't say anything. I didn't
Speaker 1: want to say anything there, but I'm thinking you won't
Speaker 1: see me, you know, And the day of that dinner,
Speaker 1: David David Campbell's my one of my best friends. Dame
Speaker 1: Squirt one of my best friends in the world and
Speaker 1: his dad. I'm sitting just sitting in my room doing nothing,
Speaker 1: you know, about thirty minutes for the thing's supposed to start.
Speaker 1: I know I'm not going. I haven't even really mentioned
Speaker 1: it to my mom. And mister cambll On he knew
Speaker 1: because he's a coach on you know, on the on
Speaker 1: the park and knock at the door and I answered
Speaker 1: the door and he's standing there in the suit and
Speaker 1: tie and he's like, let's go, Like where are we going?
Speaker 1: He's going, We're going to our dinner, you know. And
Speaker 1: he took time away from his kids to take me
Speaker 1: to that dinner. And that's something I've never forgotten.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's like, uh making me cry here Now I'm
Speaker 2: feeling the same way too, because again without like my
Speaker 2: best friend's dad, Yeah, I would have never gone on
Speaker 2: a vacation. Yeah, Like there were a lot of things
Speaker 2: that he didn't have to do. And I look back
Speaker 2: and I'm like, why would he.
Speaker 1: Do Why would he do that? Like my other best
Speaker 1: friend Rick Johanna is his dad. My love of golf,
Speaker 1: you know, the you know, the real reason where the
Speaker 1: college because he wasn't gonna let me not go. And
Speaker 1: it was just those men realized I didn't have a
Speaker 1: man in my life and took it upon themselves to
Speaker 1: be that.
Speaker 3: Hang tight, the Bobby Cast will be right back, and
Speaker 3: we're back on the Bobby Cast.
Speaker 2: Any I'm gonna chalk it up to any like what
Speaker 2: about you though, as I won't even say a man,
Speaker 2: but like as an adult, like, how has that affected
Speaker 2: you in you being there for folks?
Speaker 1: Oh? I mean always. I think all the philanthropy and
Speaker 1: the giving back and trying to not just give money
Speaker 1: but to give my time the things, it's all because
Speaker 1: of stuff like that. Because there were people that went
Speaker 1: out of their way to help me, then went out
Speaker 1: of their way to help me and they didn't have to.
Speaker 1: All they knew is I was friends with their kids.
Speaker 1: You know, they knew I didn't have a dad, but
Speaker 1: I was friends with their kids. They could have just
Speaker 1: treated me like that, but they all treated me with
Speaker 1: so much extra and wanted me to succeed and wanted
Speaker 1: me to be And so now I just want to help,
Speaker 1: give back and help as if any people make their
Speaker 1: lives better than as I can.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I feel like I'm trying to just get
Speaker 2: back to even with all there was, Yeah, like all
Speaker 2: that was like moved toward me, pushed towards me in
Speaker 2: that like having an opportunity. Yeah, exactly, because there were
Speaker 2: a lot of the basic things. Yeah, And I wouldn't
Speaker 2: tell my mom. Why bother her with that? She can
Speaker 2: do about it, There's nothing she can do.
Speaker 1: And she's going to want to.
Speaker 2: Take me or my grandma, my grandma or my grandma
Speaker 2: my grandma.
Speaker 1: Lived with us too, you know, or she's going to
Speaker 1: take me and like I'm not going to father's son,
Speaker 1: my mom, And so I just didn't even tell her.
Speaker 1: And but you know, so many things like that that
Speaker 1: that once again getting back to the book, you're writing
Speaker 1: that in the book and you realize how much that
Speaker 1: affected you. You it affected you so much.
Speaker 2: So you're let's say you're twelve, thirteen years old, you're
Speaker 2: figuring out who you are, a typical family situation. When
Speaker 2: did music happen to where that was a bit of
Speaker 2: I won't even say it released, but like something you
Speaker 2: could lean into and get better at and maybe see
Speaker 2: it as a future.
Speaker 1: Let's start about high school. High school. I mean I
Speaker 1: sang in like you know, the choirs in middle school
Speaker 1: and stuff, but they weren't real. They were just you know,
Speaker 1: Christmas concerts and stuff. And then they got to high
Speaker 1: school and I got into a what my in my area,
Speaker 1: the Middleton Singers. They were just the best show choir
Speaker 1: in the state. You know, they we just that's what
Speaker 1: And that was a job. You were at the rehearsals
Speaker 1: after three or four days a week after school. It
Speaker 1: was I mean, it was big. And when I got
Speaker 1: into that my sophomore year, because you couldn't get in
Speaker 1: as a freshman. I got into my sophomore year and
Speaker 1: instantly starting getting you know, solos and stuff. The confidence
Speaker 1: level just you know, I want this is exact exactly
Speaker 1: what I want to do. All I want to do
Speaker 1: is play music.
Speaker 2: Were you just singing or did you also think I
Speaker 2: should play an instrument?
Speaker 1: Like, well, no, I didn't start playing an instrument to hoodie.
Speaker 1: You know, I just wanted to sing. I wanted to
Speaker 1: be I always say, until I saw a purple rain,
Speaker 1: I wanted to be a solo artists. I didn't never
Speaker 1: want to be in a band. I don't want to
Speaker 1: play guitar. I wanted to be upfront with my microphone.
Speaker 2: You want to be upfront and sing, yeah and sing.
Speaker 2: When did that become a reality? Because it's not like
Speaker 2: there are a lot of people doing what you want
Speaker 2: to do around you. Yeah, so it's kind of fairytale land.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, when did that become a reality that it
Speaker 2: could happen if things go just right and let's go
Speaker 2: and try to chase it down.
Speaker 1: That didn't happen to Hoodie because by the time I
Speaker 1: got to college, I decided that I'm kids from South Carolina. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I can sing, but no one's ever gonna find me.
Speaker 1: I'm never gonna get discovered, you know. I got to
Speaker 1: go do real job. So I went to school to
Speaker 1: be a journalist and met Mark my sophomore year and
Speaker 1: the first time first show we played, just me and him.
Speaker 2: That was like, wow, okay, expand on that. You met
Speaker 2: Mark where and.
Speaker 1: In our dorm? He we're in our dorm and his
Speaker 1: freshman year and my sophomore year, and uh, we're just
Speaker 1: I'm in the I'm in the shower. It's ten o'clock
Speaker 1: in the morning. I think everybody's in class. And we
Speaker 1: got those prison showers, you know, it's got nine heads,
Speaker 1: no shower curtain, just wide open great place to sing.
Speaker 1: I mean, the acoustics are incredible in this place. So
Speaker 1: I think everybody's in class, and I go in to
Speaker 1: the take a shower, and I just start singing. I'm
Speaker 1: singing Billy Joel's honest Honesty, and I'm singing it like
Speaker 1: Billy Joel. I'm belting it out. I mean, I'm full
Speaker 1: throttle throwing it out there in the shower. And I
Speaker 1: finished taking my shower, and I think nobody's in the hall,
Speaker 1: and I go around. I go around the corner. I
Speaker 1: go in the corner. This kid pops and jumps out
Speaker 1: of his room. He's like, is that you singing in there?
Speaker 1: I was like yeah. He was like, you know, you're great.
Speaker 1: I was like, well, thank you, and he just said
Speaker 1: I play guitar, you know.
Speaker 2: I was like cool.
Speaker 1: He's like, let's get together and see if we know
Speaker 1: any of the same songs. That night we got together,
Speaker 1: and I think our first gig was a week later.
Speaker 2: He just in the dorm in that same floor that
Speaker 2: you have sing it at the same time.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, crazy, I mean, and the stuff that
Speaker 1: led up to Hoody the Buffish. I always say, it's like,
Speaker 1: if people don't believe in fate. They should hear the
Speaker 1: Hoody story.
Speaker 2: That's what my question was, Do you believe it was fate?
Speaker 2: He because again all the same floor, same time saying wait, okay,
Speaker 2: First of.
Speaker 1: All, let's start. Mark wanted to go to JMU, didn't
Speaker 1: get in, ended up at South Carolina. He ain't got
Speaker 1: a scholarship to Elon, didn't take it. Ended up in
Speaker 1: South Carolina. Sony who just wanted to play Division one soccer,
Speaker 1: that's all he wanted to do. South Carolina's the only
Speaker 1: school that gave him a scholarship. It's like, we look
Speaker 1: at the four of us and even worse than that,
Speaker 1: this is a story that that tells how fate is.
Speaker 1: My first my freshman sebaster, my first semester freshman year,
Speaker 1: I decided South Carolina wasn't for me. I'm transferring. I'm
Speaker 1: out here. It's a week before exams, even before five
Speaker 1: on exams and sitting there and this kid comes to
Speaker 1: me and like right after we're having a hall meeting,
Speaker 1: a week before just the hall meeting for everybody in
Speaker 1: the dorm. This kid, Chris Carney comes up to me
Speaker 1: right after the hall meeting and goes, hey, man, what
Speaker 1: are you doing? And I'm like, I'm just going to
Speaker 1: go study. That's all I did my freshman year was study.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go study and care are exams and he goes, well,
Speaker 1: when you're done studying, come down, let's have a beer.
Speaker 1: I went to my room, went back to his room,
Speaker 1: and I had so much fun for that time. I
Speaker 1: stayed in South Carolina. If that kid doesn't stop me
Speaker 1: and tell me to come to his room and parties
Speaker 1: with me the way we did, I transferred hooting the
Speaker 1: bobshit never happens, and that kid now runs my business.
Speaker 1: He runs my life. He's the only person in the
Speaker 1: world I could tell me now.
Speaker 2: But he's still in your life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the only person in the world I could tell me. No,
Speaker 1: he runs everything in my life.
Speaker 2: So you and Mark played that show a little coffee play.
Speaker 2: I don't know what to a.
Speaker 1: Little chicken wing joint, Little chicken wing joints.
Speaker 2: See get a week later. You what do you what
Speaker 2: do you play? Munch covers, Bunch.
Speaker 1: All covers, not one original. You know everything from Sulton's
Speaker 1: Swing to to Take It Easy and Hank Junior and
Speaker 1: and you know bird Dog by the Everly Brothers. It
Speaker 1: was full of covers.
Speaker 2: What was he about musically?
Speaker 1: Oh? Aria? That was the thing that the first day
Speaker 1: we sat down, we were both all about Ario. We
Speaker 1: both had discovered the band that changed our lives. And
Speaker 1: like when we started playing songs together, we're like, wow,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, you know Arim no I love Ario.
Speaker 2: When you finished the show, was it a wow, We've
Speaker 2: got to do this more type thing?
Speaker 1: It was a we gotta do this again. It was
Speaker 1: like first first show, like we got to do this again.
Speaker 1: And actually we finished the show and Pappy, who owned
Speaker 1: the bar, this old scraggly bald marine with the handle
Speaker 1: handlebar mustache, walks up it didn't want us to play,
Speaker 1: gave it let us play because we went there so much,
Speaker 1: and walked up and said, all right, that was good,
Speaker 1: come back next week.
Speaker 2: And what do you get paid for your second gig?
Speaker 2: Twenty bucks for.
Speaker 1: First gig we got first gig, we asked for fifty bucks.
Speaker 1: He yelled at us, said he wasn't going to pay
Speaker 1: us anything, and after the gig he gave us fifty bucks.
Speaker 2: Really, when did the other guys come about, like Dean
Speaker 2: and Sony and how.
Speaker 1: Probably it was the next semester like Mark and I.
Speaker 1: I guess that probably happened, I don't know, late late
Speaker 1: in the fall. And then we went we went away
Speaker 1: for went away for Christmas break and came back and
Speaker 1: started the band. Did you do it? Hey?
Speaker 2: We're looking for a bass player and a drummer.
Speaker 1: The funny thing is when we decided to get to
Speaker 1: start the band, Mark and met the drummer, Brandley Smith,
Speaker 1: who was our first drummer. They were in a class
Speaker 1: together and he said that you know that Dean kid
Speaker 1: upstairs because Dean lived on the sixth floor and Market
Speaker 1: Dean had known each other their whole lives. Their dads
Speaker 1: are best friends growing up. And uh, he said, Dean played.
Speaker 1: Dean's a great bass player. He got a scholarship to Elon.
Speaker 1: I was like to play base. He was like yeah.
Speaker 1: I was like, I'll ask him. Well, let's ask him
Speaker 1: he wants to play, and Deed said no eight million
Speaker 1: times because he.
Speaker 2: Was too smart to be in a band.
Speaker 1: He had played. He'd played in the band with Mark
Speaker 1: before in high school and Mark was Marks very intense
Speaker 1: and he was like, I just don't want to deal
Speaker 1: with that anymore. And his parents told him, if you
Speaker 1: don't take the scholarship to go play bass of Elon.
Speaker 1: Don't you go down to South Carolina start think you're
Speaker 1: gonna play in a band like he was. He didn't.
Speaker 1: Even they wouldn't le him take a bass. We had
Speaker 1: to borrow basis for our first gigs because they wouldn't
Speaker 1: let him take the base.
Speaker 2: Well. What finally convinced him to do it?
Speaker 1: What finally convinced it? He said he'd played I find
Speaker 1: we after him and I partied and we talked. We
Speaker 1: asked him a hundred times. Finally he said, I will
Speaker 1: do it for one I'll do it for the gig
Speaker 1: at Pappy's and maybe another gig, but you guys need
Speaker 1: to find a new bass player.
Speaker 2: What changed his mind?
Speaker 1: Success? Yeah, I mean, you know, we still joke. We
Speaker 1: always said, Dean, we're still looking for a bass player,
Speaker 1: you know, with success even I mean, I tell the
Speaker 1: story about like we just didn't tell his parents for
Speaker 1: the first year and a half two years. An, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was And it was funny because finally we start
Speaker 1: playing out he has to tell him because we're playing
Speaker 1: and we're playing this bar in DC he called the
Speaker 1: Bayou and the Bayou who used to be the Bar
Speaker 1: and DC. It was the band Born DC and we're
Speaker 1: playing there and his dad, his parents live right outside
Speaker 1: of d C. And they're driving. We're driving in to
Speaker 1: the gig and his dad's still against it. His dad's
Speaker 1: still mad that he's in a band, but they're gonna
Speaker 1: come see us play. And we pull up to the
Speaker 1: gig and the line is down the street, around the
Speaker 1: block and then around another block, and we're driving up
Speaker 1: and mister Freilver he goes, what are all these people
Speaker 1: doing here? Dean goes, Dad, I think they're here to
Speaker 1: see us. He was like, And we go and we
Speaker 1: park and we walk in and whens. Soon as you
Speaker 1: walk in, you realize none of those people are getting in.
Speaker 1: This place is packed. And we're walking and he looks
Speaker 1: around and we're behind him. We're behind him and his
Speaker 1: wife and he's walking. He looks around and he finally
Speaker 1: he just turns around and goes, Okay, y'all can do this.
Speaker 1: And that was.
Speaker 2: The box. I'm okay with it now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was like, all right, y'all can do this.
Speaker 2: What about Sony.
Speaker 1: Sony was in from the time on he came and
Speaker 1: we were looking for our trumber, Brandley, who was great.
Speaker 1: He played like Stuart Copeland. He great drummer, but real religious,
Speaker 1: like real Baptist, real religious, and rock and roll was
Speaker 1: not in his future. He was playing with us because
Speaker 1: he loved music, but rock and roll wasn't in his future,
Speaker 1: and so he quit the band and we were looking
Speaker 1: for a new drummer. We were having auditions. One day
Speaker 1: had a bunch of drummers come over to our apartment
Speaker 1: to play with us, and Sony was one of them.
Speaker 1: He was in a bunch of local bands. And I'll
Speaker 1: tell this to I'll give you the reader's digestive version
Speaker 1: of this story. I see his name on the list
Speaker 1: that he's coming, and I say to the band, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not playing with that guy. They're like, why aren't
Speaker 1: you playing with Sony? And I tell this story about
Speaker 1: my freshman year in college. I meet this girl in
Speaker 1: Carolina Alive, and you know, I really like her a lot,
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, I'm thinking things are going okay, but
Speaker 1: nothing's happening for a while. And so one day she
Speaker 1: calls me up and says, come to my house, come
Speaker 1: to my room. I want to show you something. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: So I get I get dressed and her rooms. Her
Speaker 1: dorm is all the way across campus, and I go
Speaker 1: all the way across campus to her dorm and I
Speaker 1: get there and as soon as we get there, we
Speaker 1: run outside. She grabs me. Ran outside and she says,
Speaker 1: take a picture. Stay here. I'm on the bridge. She say,
Speaker 1: stay here and take a picture of me. She runs
Speaker 1: down to the sand volleyball courts and she had written
Speaker 1: in the sand volleyball courts I love Sony and she
Speaker 1: called me over to take the picture. And so I
Speaker 1: hated Sony. He was not going to be in our.
Speaker 2: Band, and yet he still got in the band.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, he came to over rehearsals and he was
Speaker 1: a great drummer. And then we said, well, you know,
Speaker 1: we're going straight originals and he was like, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: what I want to do. I want to be in
Speaker 1: an original band. And he was like, I got a song.
Speaker 1: We were like, yeah, right, okay, you got a song.
Speaker 1: Play as your song. He played hold my Hand and
Speaker 1: we were like, yeah, you're in the band.
Speaker 2: What was that version of hold my Hand? Like?
Speaker 1: Pretty close to what we do. It didn't have the
Speaker 1: answer backs and a couple other things that I wrote in,
Speaker 1: but uh, it's pretty much exactly the way we play it.
Speaker 2: When you say answer backs, you know, hold my hand.
Speaker 1: I'll want you to hold my hand all that, you know,
Speaker 1: just when the chorus is big and the lead singer
Speaker 1: is riffing back and stuff like that. I wrote that stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you guys starting a van, a couple of cars, or.
Speaker 1: If we started cars. But by the time Sony came along.
Speaker 1: When Sony came along, we bought a van for like
Speaker 1: two thousand dollars and it had two seats and nothing
Speaker 1: else in the back. And we would stack our would
Speaker 1: stack our equipment, and everybody else would just basically lay
Speaker 1: on the floor. And I'm telling you, ten times somebody
Speaker 1: hit the brakes and all of us almost di.
Speaker 2: Did you have to learn to be a mechanic of
Speaker 2: it too? Yep, because if you didn't, you weren't going
Speaker 2: to pay. I mean there's no money.
Speaker 1: We couldn't afford to get it fixed. If we couldn't
Speaker 1: fix it ourselves.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're driving around you playing Monday Tuesday. Pay every
Speaker 2: day that we could play, you know.
Speaker 1: Actually, when Sony joined the band, we were pretty much
Speaker 1: everybody was out of school, almost out of school, like well,
Speaker 1: I think Mark and Dean had another semester or something,
Speaker 1: but it was we were going to go on the road.
Speaker 1: That was the only play.
Speaker 2: Who was the first person that wasn't somebody from home
Speaker 2: South Carolina even super regional, to go, hey man, there's
Speaker 2: something here with you. Guys like that that didn't get
Speaker 2: bred to enjoy what you're doing, had no interest in you,
Speaker 2: except for they thought they saw something in you that
Speaker 2: can make everybody more some money.
Speaker 1: The first person that mattered that really changed us was
Speaker 1: this guy Dick Hodgen, who's a manager and producer in
Speaker 1: North Carolina, and he came and saw us somewhere and
Speaker 1: he ended up producing our first EPs that got us
Speaker 1: a deal. But he was the one who said, y'all
Speaker 1: aren't like anybody else, and nobody else has this singer,
Speaker 1: so I think y'all could do something.
Speaker 4: The Bobby Cast be right back. This is the Bobby Cast.
Speaker 2: When did you start to be able to afford like
Speaker 2: a bus?
Speaker 1: Not till Cracked Review came out? When where Cracked Review
Speaker 1: came out? We got our first bus, really yeah, it
Speaker 1: took that.
Speaker 2: And again bus is expensive.
Speaker 1: Buses are expensive, yeah, and you know, I mean we
Speaker 1: were making money. Don't get me like the year before
Speaker 1: we all before we signed a record deal. I think
Speaker 1: we each made like fifty sixty grand each. We were
Speaker 1: making more than our friends who had real jobs out
Speaker 1: of college, you know, just playing clubs. But we were
Speaker 1: making that money because we you know, we were frugal.
Speaker 2: We're saving that money. Yeah, yeah, save money, made money exactly.
Speaker 1: So you.
Speaker 2: Whenever you sign a record deal, it's so different than
Speaker 2: it would be today. But it's been different every every decade.
Speaker 2: It's basic record deals are completely different. So do they
Speaker 2: give you a big recoup up what do they give you?
Speaker 1: They didn't give us to anything. I think our upfront
Speaker 1: money for us was forty grand so we could have
Speaker 1: ten each, and then they paid for our studio and
Speaker 1: that was it.
Speaker 2: Well, where'd you record?
Speaker 1: Recorded in La? I don't remember the name of the
Speaker 1: studio right now, but we recorded in La with Don
Speaker 1: Gamon and it was it was a magical three weeks
Speaker 1: in La. It was just awesome.
Speaker 2: When you finished that record, crack review, what did you
Speaker 2: think the song was going to be?
Speaker 1: Not? What was it?
Speaker 2: Because different arguments. Obviously, I thought.
Speaker 1: Letter Cry was going to beat a big hit. I
Speaker 1: thought if we if any song on this record breaks
Speaker 1: us a letter cry is going to beat the song.
Speaker 1: I just thought that song was the way we played it,
Speaker 1: Everything about that song. I just thought, this one's gonna
Speaker 1: be it.
Speaker 2: Do they have rolls back down like it's a ballad,
Speaker 2: We're not going to lead with it.
Speaker 1: Yep. That's why we le would hold My Hand, which
Speaker 1: is also another ballad, but you know they thought it
Speaker 1: was a little more upbeat.
Speaker 2: A couple more drums.
Speaker 1: So yeah, exactly exactly.
Speaker 2: If I were to say with hooting the Blowfish, what's
Speaker 2: the highlight professionally and what it's kind of the low
Speaker 2: light because I kind of want to wrap whody up
Speaker 2: and move to a different part of your career. But
Speaker 2: what's the highlight where you're like, god, dang, you can't
Speaker 2: believe it, this is it? And then what's kind of like, man,
Speaker 2: I don't know what we're gonna be able to do
Speaker 2: this anymore.
Speaker 1: Oh, I think the highlight was for me. I'm sure
Speaker 1: for each member has their different highlight. But the highlight
Speaker 1: for me was when we played the Billboard Music Awards
Speaker 1: with Al Green. That was.
Speaker 2: Kilby who you sang as a kid?
Speaker 1: Yes, who was one of those moments we had played
Speaker 1: every every award show, and they want us to play
Speaker 1: the Billboard Music Awards and we just didn't want to
Speaker 1: play it. We played every show, and Billboards is different.
Speaker 1: You know who's going to win. You know, it's not
Speaker 1: like the politics of having to play something else, so
Speaker 1: you could get a win. You know who's gonna win.
Speaker 1: And so we weren't going to play it. And they
Speaker 1: say to us, if you play it, we'll get Al
Speaker 1: Green to play with you. And I was like, yeah, right,
Speaker 1: They're like, no, if you play it, we'll get All
Speaker 1: Green to play with you. I was like, when you
Speaker 1: get Al Green to play with us, we'll say yes.
Speaker 1: And sure enough they got. I don't know what they
Speaker 1: did or how much they paid him, but he said yes,
Speaker 1: and that performance I start like every now and then.
Speaker 1: That's one of the few things I still watch it
Speaker 1: from us.
Speaker 2: Can you remember it vividly from doing it?
Speaker 1: I remember, like I'm standing on stage right now, like
Speaker 1: when Dean hit that baseline to take me to the
Speaker 1: river and Al walked out. You could first of all,
Speaker 1: you could have shot the crowd the face because nobody
Speaker 1: expected it. And second of all, he went off, Bobby,
Speaker 1: you can look at you're in TV. You do this.
Speaker 1: We're a living we're playing over our time. We're supposed
Speaker 1: to play because AL won't stop. And as long as
Speaker 1: AL jammin, we're jamming, so AL won't stop. They go
Speaker 1: to the announcer to go to commercial, and we are
Speaker 1: killing it so hard. They changed their mind and going
Speaker 1: back to the stage.
Speaker 2: That never happened. It could it cost money, never happened.
Speaker 1: It was awesome.
Speaker 2: Okay, dang, that's crazy. Yeah, just I mean, I'm thinking
Speaker 2: of the TV part of it, not even your career.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, it was crazy.
Speaker 2: They they go to Bardow up in their corner like, well,
Speaker 2: let's go back. That never happened.
Speaker 1: I know, it was crazy. Probably the low point was
Speaker 1: probably right after I Quick partying and we were getting
Speaker 1: to the point where we were putting, you know, eight
Speaker 1: thousand people in the fourteen thousand seater. That was just
Speaker 1: not fun that we were. We were working. We were
Speaker 1: out on the road too much every summer, doing the
Speaker 1: same things, the same buildings. We we just we weren't.
Speaker 1: We weren't who died the Bluefisher. We weren't friends anymore.
Speaker 1: We weren't. We just play music.
Speaker 2: So whenever you cause again, you guys. You guys are
Speaker 2: like to the random fan, you're cool again. Everything is cyclical. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's crazy, right, because there was a time where no, no, we're.
Speaker 1: Not cool again. We're cool for the first time.
Speaker 2: But there was there was a time where like pop
Speaker 2: culture like Hoody and the Blowfish was not a nice thing.
Speaker 2: And cyclically it's the opposite now like people that loved
Speaker 2: you then and probably gave up our back and new
Speaker 2: people love you. But again, if we go to the
Speaker 2: version of your music career now, because I don't and
Speaker 2: I wasn't in country music when you came to country music,
Speaker 2: but I was always a massive fan. Did you just
Speaker 2: make music? Did you go I've always loved country music.
Speaker 2: Let me just kind of shift how I'm doing, let
Speaker 2: me make my music, Like, how did that initially happen?
Speaker 1: I've always like, I've talked about making country record since
Speaker 1: the eighties when Raddy, when Foster and Lloyd came out.
Speaker 1: That was really I'll be honest with you that I've
Speaker 1: always liked country music. I thought it was great, but
Speaker 1: I never thought about playing it because first of all,
Speaker 1: there was nobody that looked like me, and and second
Speaker 1: of all, you know, I'm a rocker. I'm a rocker,
Speaker 1: you know, rim you know the police and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: And when Foster and Lloyd came out, all I wanted
Speaker 1: to do was in country music. I mean, it really
Speaker 1: changed where I heard music. I used to tell the
Speaker 1: band all the time, let's make a country record, let's
Speaker 1: do something the country, and you know, they just weren't interested.
Speaker 1: So we never did it. And when we decided it
Speaker 1: was time for us to stop just being out on
Speaker 1: the road and playing anymore than my first thought was
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to Nashville and make a record. Didn't
Speaker 1: expect anything, but I was gonna go make a record.
Speaker 2: When you say go to Nashville make a record, was
Speaker 2: it make a record, get a record deal, do that,
Speaker 2: or just go and because you know they're great studios people,
Speaker 2: great producers, and just go see what happens.
Speaker 1: I was just gonna come. I didn't think I could
Speaker 1: get a record deal.
Speaker 2: I mean, because you were from hooting the Blowfish, or
Speaker 2: because you're a black guy.
Speaker 1: Both. I thought I had two of the biggest strikes
Speaker 1: against me. First of all, I'm coming from a pop band,
Speaker 1: which they hate over here, and I'm the black guy,
Speaker 1: and I'm not gonna say they hate us, but they
Speaker 1: ain't putt none of us on the radio, you know,
Speaker 1: And I wouldn't. I mean, I really hadn't told Doc
Speaker 1: I'm a manager at the time, that I wanted a
Speaker 1: record deal. I just told him I'm going to go
Speaker 1: get some buddies, go to Nashville and make a record.
Speaker 1: And Doc doesn't do anything that way, thank goodness, and
Speaker 1: just called me up one night and said I got
Speaker 1: your record deal with with Capital And I really because
Speaker 1: he called me up and he goes, I think I
Speaker 1: got your record deal. And I said to them, I
Speaker 1: was like, Doc, if it's some independent label, I want
Speaker 1: to do it myself. I just don't want to be
Speaker 1: beholding to some of the independent label and I could
Speaker 1: pay for it myself. And he was like, no, I
Speaker 1: got your record deal with Capitol Records. I was like, yeah, right,
Speaker 1: and he puts Mike Dungan on the telephone, who says
Speaker 1: who says, I never got that hootie thing. But I
Speaker 1: boys thought you were a country singer and gave me
Speaker 1: a record deal.
Speaker 2: I was a part and maybe you were too. But
Speaker 2: my grandma was big Charlie pride Fance. Why I was
Speaker 2: too and so I was part of the documentary, the
Speaker 2: Charlie Ulementary. Yeah, I thought so, yeah, And so I
Speaker 2: think they thought it was a little weird that I
Speaker 2: was at the time. It was like thirty eight, and
Speaker 2: I was like, I'm massive. They came to me like
Speaker 2: what do you know? I was like a lot, like
Speaker 2: let me tell you. And so I was just kind
Speaker 2: of laying out and they're like, would you be a
Speaker 2: part of this documentary? And I remember talking about because
Speaker 2: they wanted a version of somebody who would work, who
Speaker 2: works in radio, about what he had to go through,
Speaker 2: and when they would send out his music, they would
Speaker 2: put no picture on it. I know, I know for
Speaker 2: a long time after he had hits still because it
Speaker 2: wasn't like the Internet where you could like if you
Speaker 2: investigated hard enough, I get, but again, people were just
Speaker 2: looking to play. They just wanted to hear music, so
Speaker 2: they they didn't because they didn't want people to say
Speaker 2: no just because it was a black guy. Yes, and
Speaker 2: so let's remove the hoodie part of it, the hosh
Speaker 2: and so here you are. Did you feel after it
Speaker 2: was known that you had signed a record deal. Was
Speaker 2: it a big announcement in the trades?
Speaker 1: It was, and it was. I mean, I think the
Speaker 1: label took a bunch of backlash because of who do
Speaker 1: you because because of the black guy. Yeah, and probably
Speaker 1: probably more, probably more I.
Speaker 2: Bet whody outwardly, but but but but well, we all
Speaker 2: knew it was that exactly.
Speaker 1: You know, they'd say it was Kazudi. But it be
Speaker 1: like there were people that said, you know, the funny
Speaker 1: thing is I heard we heard the same thing about
Speaker 1: Cracked the review. So it makes me laugh. But there's
Speaker 1: people who said that Capitol would be the laughing stock
Speaker 1: of country music if they signed me, and it was
Speaker 1: deja vu because everybody, you know, there were some people
Speaker 1: at Atlantic Records that said they'd be the laughing stock
Speaker 1: if they didn't put out Correcter, if they put Cracked
Speaker 1: Review out. And so it's like I just laughed at it.
Speaker 1: And the thing that was for me, the thing that
Speaker 1: I had that made it okay, I wasn't expecting any success.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's plenty of money then, so I was.
Speaker 1: I didn't have plenty of money. I mean, trust me,
Speaker 1: country music, but the very good to me. But I
Speaker 1: didn't have plenty of money. But I was okay.
Speaker 2: But I guess, did you need money, I need, I need.
Speaker 1: I couldn't have lived off what I had for the
Speaker 1: rest of my life. No, not to live not the
Speaker 1: lifestyle I wanted to live.
Speaker 2: So you're okay, let's say that never works out.
Speaker 1: What do you do?
Speaker 2: Let's say you never make a country.
Speaker 1: I bet if I didn't make a country music, who
Speaker 1: need the blow? Should be back out, going every going
Speaker 1: out every year.
Speaker 2: Again the first song you cut as now it's just
Speaker 2: weird to think of you as rock or to me
Speaker 2: you're South Carolina, which is a bit of both. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean it really is. So we'll just say the
Speaker 2: timeline you're now a country artist, because now I still
Speaker 2: consider you to be both. It'd be weird, like if
Speaker 2: someone's like, Darius is a country artist or Darius is
Speaker 2: a rock I'd be like, I could argue both. I'd
Speaker 2: be like, well, it's not just rock. Well, so let's
Speaker 2: just say the country timeline part of this. You go
Speaker 2: into the studio. It wasn't the first thing you cut,
Speaker 2: do you know, Uh, the first song we cut and
Speaker 2: did it feel weird? No, The first song we kind
Speaker 2: of think was all.
Speaker 1: I Want, which is a big, big country song on
Speaker 1: the on the first record, that Brad Paisley plays guitar
Speaker 1: on And the second we started cutting that song, I
Speaker 1: was I knew that was exactly where I wanted to be.
Speaker 1: Oh goodness yea. And cause you know, I still do
Speaker 1: it when I get in front of a microphone and
Speaker 1: it's a country song, I'm just trying to be Radney Foster.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to sound exactly like him. And so for me,
Speaker 1: it was just like, let's go do this.
Speaker 2: Whenever you are. Did you cut a whole album first?
Speaker 2: They put a couple songs first. We were cutting the.
Speaker 1: Records yet the record, Yeah, we were cut the record.
Speaker 2: First single ever was don't Think.
Speaker 1: I don't think about it.
Speaker 2: I don't think, I don't think. Was that your choice?
Speaker 1: No, I don't do singles. I don't I love. If
Speaker 1: I didn't like the song enough for it to be
Speaker 1: a single, I wouldn't put on the record. So I
Speaker 1: don't do radio. You guys know radio. Tell me what
Speaker 1: you can get on the radio. That's how I do it.
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Speaker 2: Probably different versions of the story now from many different people,
Speaker 2: But that song goes out of the single. I'm assuming
Speaker 2: it wasn't just uniformly added on stations all.
Speaker 1: No, it was.
Speaker 2: I'm sure now they act like it was, though.
Speaker 1: Yeah it was not. I went to one hundred and
Speaker 1: ten radio stations.
Speaker 2: You did a radio tour, or did a radio tour one.
Speaker 1: Hundred and ten radio stations. So it's funny because when
Speaker 1: I said I would do a radio tour, hey, a
Speaker 1: capital reacted exactly like you just did. They were like,
Speaker 1: you do a radio tour. I was like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: want to be the new guy. All the stuff the
Speaker 1: new guy has to do, I want to do. And
Speaker 1: it's it was tough five days a week for months,
Speaker 1: going to two and three radio stations a day, you know,
Speaker 1: being away from me young kids at the time, and
Speaker 1: but I wanted it. I just wanted to And the
Speaker 1: only way I was going to have success, I thought,
Speaker 1: me sitting across from somebody and them getting to know me,
Speaker 1: I had a better chance of getting to play than
Speaker 1: somebody somebody doesn't know me, just saying play this record.
Speaker 1: So we went and did it.
Speaker 2: When did you start to think this might actually work?
Speaker 1: Very first radio station, hooting the blowfishes, finishing up our run,
Speaker 1: and we got to go to to San Antonio the
Speaker 1: play off corporate show, and so they just decide Capital
Speaker 1: Size are gonna send me to the to the station
Speaker 1: in San Antonio. So we're having a meeting about this
Speaker 1: and Mike Dungan walks into the meeting and he sees
Speaker 1: on the list that San Antonio is the first stop
Speaker 1: and he goes off. He's mad at everybody because they're
Speaker 1: sending me to Texas. You know, Texas is not gonna
Speaker 1: play him till they have to play him. You know.
Speaker 1: It's like it's gonna be a bad situation for him,
Speaker 1: and he's not gonna want to do the radio tour.
Speaker 1: Why are you sending him there? And they were like,
Speaker 1: he's already gonna be there, he mustn't go buy. He
Speaker 1: finally said, Okay, go there. And I go there and
Speaker 1: George King was the music director. I'll never forget this.
Speaker 1: We sit down and we have lunch with George and
Speaker 1: he's really cool and really nice and we tell him,
Speaker 1: you know, we played the song for him and he
Speaker 1: falls in love with it. He just falls in love
Speaker 1: with it. He loves a song. He loved hanging out
Speaker 1: with me. We were great and he said, uh, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna add it, which shocked everybody, and we said, well,
Speaker 1: we're going for a really big ad weekn about two weeks.
Speaker 1: Can you wait for two weeks? He was like, okay,
Speaker 1: I'll wait for two weeks. And we get in the
Speaker 1: car and we're driving away and he plays the song
Speaker 1: and we call him and go, hey, man, we thought
Speaker 1: you were going to wait. He's like, nope, I'm man
Speaker 1: at tomorrow. That's what I knew this song might actually work.
Speaker 2: Why would you name the book Life too Short?
Speaker 1: That's one of my songs, and life is too short?
Speaker 1: I mean it really is. That was another thing reading
Speaker 1: the book. It seems like a long time, but everything
Speaker 1: seems like yesterday. Everything that I talked about seems like yesterday,
Speaker 1: and it's not. And you know, life's just too short.
Speaker 2: I read a book once at the recommendation of my
Speaker 2: therapist called I'm Okay, You're Okay, and it's about brain
Speaker 2: and when you hear music for a split second, it
Speaker 2: feels like you're in that place, even less than a second,
Speaker 2: but it's almost like that taste, that feeling just for
Speaker 2: a yes, very brief, and that's our brain producing the
Speaker 2: chemical that it happened to produce back then it triggers
Speaker 2: it by hearing a sound or a smell. And so
Speaker 2: in the introduction there was a whole thing you wrote
Speaker 2: about it. You look back at your life into the past,
Speaker 2: everything together seems blurry, but then you hear something a melody, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: So why open with a line like that, Why start
Speaker 2: the book with that sentiment?
Speaker 1: Because you know, for me, when we were writing the book,
Speaker 1: we write the book, music kept coming up. Songs that
Speaker 1: are important to me kept coming up. And that's why
Speaker 1: every chapter is the name of a song that mattered
Speaker 1: to me. And for me, music has been my best friend.
Speaker 1: Music has been my savior. Music has been the shoulder
Speaker 1: that I cry on. It's been the you know, the
Speaker 1: partners stood next to me when I was happy. Music
Speaker 1: has been so much for me that there was just
Speaker 1: no other way to do it.
Speaker 2: I didn't think, and I don't want you to say
Speaker 2: it here, but is there a song that people are
Speaker 2: so wrong about what you wrote it about that there like, oh,
Speaker 2: for sure, I wrote this about his favorite ice cream,
Speaker 2: but really it's about you know, a lot of times
Speaker 2: people just won't reveal let them the.
Speaker 1: Song that I didn't write it but I think the
Speaker 1: song that most people don't really get is hold My Hand,
Speaker 1: Hold My Hands, a protest song, and most people think
Speaker 1: it's just happy, go lucky, come hold my Hand, you know,
Speaker 1: but it's really a song against the evils of racism
Speaker 1: and evils of of of just disliking people for you know,
Speaker 1: because you know algab because their algab eq or you know.
Speaker 1: It's it's a song about we should all just love
Speaker 1: each other instead of all this hate. And people don't
Speaker 1: get that, and they just think it's some pop fluff fluff,
Speaker 1: but be really listen to the words, so they read
Speaker 1: a pretty good song there.
Speaker 2: When I was a kid, I get just a few
Speaker 2: minutes left, and I have a couple of stories that
Speaker 2: I think about when I think about you, because I
Speaker 2: think about you every night, just in different just in
Speaker 2: a different way.
Speaker 1: We're dating.
Speaker 2: When I used to there were songs that I was
Speaker 2: a kid that was like, oh, it's the deepest thing
Speaker 2: I ever heard, you know, And as you get older,
Speaker 2: you hear them different. But time, why do you punish me?
Speaker 2: Like I used to listen to that song and be like,
Speaker 2: this is the greatest, most encompassing song ever. And I
Speaker 2: still hear to fill the set. It's one of those
Speaker 2: rare ones that even as I got older in my mind,
Speaker 2: I still hear that song back because I still listen
Speaker 2: to I got my wife on cractor because she's nice. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and she was like, my wife loves you, and she
Speaker 2: was like, I don't know any of the old Darius stuff.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, you referred to them a Hoody and
Speaker 2: the low Fish. They are a unit.
Speaker 1: We are that we are, we're the band's band and so.
Speaker 2: But we would get on some stuff and I would
Speaker 2: hear time again and I'd be like, dang, this song
Speaker 2: still holds up.
Speaker 1: It does? I play it every day and then when
Speaker 1: Hoody plays it or like it comes on the radio
Speaker 1: or something, that song is another song, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: here's here's this little band from South Carolina, this little
Speaker 1: pop band from South Carolina. It was singing about the
Speaker 1: crips and blood feud, you know what what what is?
Speaker 1: What is this? You know?
Speaker 2: Dying for the color of yeah.
Speaker 1: You know, and it was just everything. That's the song
Speaker 1: that accomplasses everything that was going on in the news
Speaker 1: at the time. A lot of life was just a
Speaker 1: little crazy and time. That's one of my favorite songs
Speaker 1: I've ever done.
Speaker 2: I love that song, burnt that tape out and my
Speaker 2: two favorite stories that I have with you at number
Speaker 2: at number two, Uh, there was a song that I
Speaker 2: listened to. It never was a single and ban yeah,
Speaker 2: and so while look at Gift to Us in the Mouth,
Speaker 2: you know, I love set. I would listen to that
Speaker 2: song every day. And I remember you and I were
Speaker 2: at Andy Roddick's charity event and we'd been you always
Speaker 2: have it seems like you have golf on somewhey. We
Speaker 2: were up in a room and there was golf on,
Speaker 2: and I was like, dude, that was my song, and
Speaker 2: you got you got the band to learn it and
Speaker 2: you played it that night at any of the event.
Speaker 2: You're like, I haven't played the song of forever. But
Speaker 2: like that moment, that was like a really like special
Speaker 2: moment for me because I'd always loved that song. I
Speaker 2: never heard that song. I just mentioned you. I loved
Speaker 2: you got that you worked it up and then you
Speaker 2: played it and I was like, man, like, I feel
Speaker 2: like there's like he kind of values a little bit
Speaker 2: of our friendship.
Speaker 1: Oh I do, I do?
Speaker 2: All of that was so that still is really really
Speaker 2: special to me.
Speaker 1: I value our friendship a lot. You came into this
Speaker 1: genre and freaking took over. I'm gonna say this as
Speaker 1: honest as I could say it. You know, I was
Speaker 1: your first interview when when I was his first interview
Speaker 1: at seventeen, and I'm so proud of what you're doing
Speaker 1: and it's got nothing to do with me. And I
Speaker 1: am so proud of what you're doing because not only
Speaker 1: are you blowing up and taking over, taking over you know,
Speaker 1: morning radio, you're also you give back so much. You
Speaker 1: do so much. Then you also do you know, your
Speaker 1: band shows and all that stuff, and I've seen I
Speaker 1: just think, man, I'm proud of Bobby Boom.
Speaker 2: I appreciate that, and like you've always been the guy
Speaker 2: that I felt like even though I didn't know you.
Speaker 2: But yeah, you're right. First interview ever day, that's my
Speaker 2: number one story. And we've told it a bunch, but
Speaker 2: I was scared to death and first interview I ever
Speaker 2: did at an hour just remember shaking, and you had
Speaker 2: done ten thousand. But you don't. You don't give a crap,
Speaker 2: none of you guys. When you do something so many times,
Speaker 2: it just becomes you're just going in to do it,
Speaker 2: get it over with, go through sound check, get to
Speaker 2: the show, and I remember just being so nervous and
Speaker 2: you were just like, yo, I got you. He's like
Speaker 2: took the microphone and you would never remember this, but
Speaker 2: I remember it so vividly that it like it's still
Speaker 2: a like that still affects me to like if somebody's
Speaker 2: like struggling a little bit and I like, yeah, I
Speaker 2: may not remember it because it's not maybe not that
Speaker 2: important to me, but the fact that you did that
Speaker 2: to me, I remember that, like you remember Al Green.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know. It's funny, like you said, when somebody
Speaker 1: when you're struggling a little bit and somebody goes out
Speaker 1: of their way to help you, you always remember that. Always. Always.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm massive fan, but aside from a fan,
Speaker 2: like I feel like if I was like, yo, dude,
Speaker 2: I need ten thousand dollars, I'm not even kidding, I
Speaker 2: feel like you would be like yeah, and or I
Speaker 2: just whatever it is, Like I do feel I could
Speaker 2: call you at any time, even if we don't talk
Speaker 2: for a couple of months.
Speaker 1: Yeah. We we've become those kinds of we've become those
Speaker 1: friends though we don't have to talk for a couple
Speaker 1: of months and put us in the room. It's like
Speaker 1: we saw euch of yesterday.
Speaker 2: I love you, man, I love you too.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: I'm super pumped about the book, which again I'm heard
Speaker 2: I haven't read nobody give to.
Speaker 1: Me to you and your email today.
Speaker 2: The book is out. It is called Life's Too Short,
Speaker 2: a memoir by Darius Rutger. And the fact that you
Speaker 2: also read the book that signifies the extra you didn't
Speaker 2: have to read your own book. I did too. It's hard,
Speaker 2: but a lot of freaks, a lot of work, dude,
Speaker 2: it's a lot of somebody's on the line going can
Speaker 2: you say the word are again? And I'm like, it's
Speaker 2: how I say it. I'm not going to change how
Speaker 2: I'm saying it.
Speaker 1: That's what happened to me too, because I'm so Southern
Speaker 1: and they're trying to get me to say words like peripheral.
Speaker 1: Come on, man, we don't.
Speaker 2: Say that word. Get the book. Are you guys doing
Speaker 2: any more hooty stuff.
Speaker 1: All summer? You are?
Speaker 2: I've never seen a hoot of the b dude show.
Speaker 1: We're playing Bridgestone this summer.
Speaker 2: If you don't come, I should come to for sure.
Speaker 1: If you don't come and meet everybody and come backstage,
Speaker 1: I will be very angry.
Speaker 2: I've met Mark once, I met Sony's brother once.
Speaker 1: As far as you gotta come backstage take a picture
Speaker 1: of us.
Speaker 2: That's exciting, all right, Darius Rutger, Yeah, I get the book.
Speaker 2: Life's too short, Darius, appreciate your time, man.
Speaker 4: Thank you man, thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production.