1 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 1: Give my phone number and go on the road for 2 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 1: a couple of days. I get back to my house 3 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 1: and I check my answer machine and he's on my 4 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 1: answer machine. And the first message he left me in 5 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 1: my whole life, I haven't talked him in fifteen years. 6 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: He asked me for fifty thousand dollars. I was like, 7 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:24,759 Speaker 1: are you kidding me? 8 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 2: Episode four fifty four with Darius Rucker. He's got a 9 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:33,520 Speaker 2: new book called Live's Too Short, a memoir by Darius Rucker. 10 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 2: It's out today, so get it. I've read little snippets 11 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 2: of it. I will read the book. I love Darius. 12 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:42,199 Speaker 2: You may have heard my first interview ever. Darius and 13 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 2: I are friends. You know what this book, which again, 14 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 2: I have read the whole thing, so I'm gonna be 15 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:49,160 Speaker 2: honest about it. I was waiting till the full book 16 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:51,200 Speaker 2: came out because mostly when they send out the books 17 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 2: that are I won't call them sample, but like early versions, 18 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 2: the punctuation's not right. It's basically just hey, read this 19 00:00:57,400 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 2: if you see anything wrong with it. Edison one of 20 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 2: those out to it, and there's a lot of stuff 21 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 2: wrong with it. Hey, my book had errors after it 22 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 2: was all the way out, but so I read parts 23 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:09,679 Speaker 2: of Darius's book, and I think I start this interview 24 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 2: if I remember, because we did a few weeks ago 25 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 2: before he left to go overseas. I got started by going, 26 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 2: like what drugs. 27 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 1: Are the best? 28 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:21,400 Speaker 2: Because people don't really associate Hoodie with like doing anything wrong, 29 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 2: not really. They went hard, and so I just wanted 30 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 2: to know. I wanted to set the tone like we're 31 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 2: gonna talk about a lot of stuff here, but like 32 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 2: what's the best drug? Because I don't know. I only 33 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 2: he was expecting that question, which is why I asked him. 34 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:37,040 Speaker 2: That's why I led with that. So I'll read you 35 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 2: a little bit about the book, a raw, heartfelt memoir 36 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:43,199 Speaker 2: from three time Grammy Award winning, multi diamond selling lead 37 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 2: singer of Hoody and the Blowfish. And he is also 38 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 2: on my book imprint, not even just my book company, 39 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 2: but the specific imprint. We're on the same one. Yeah, 40 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 2: So Darius talks the story about his dad, and you'll 41 00:01:56,360 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 2: hear it. I thought about this, that story for a month, 42 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 2: because we did this leading up so we could put 43 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 2: this out at the time. His dad's showing up in 44 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:08,640 Speaker 2: the restaurant. That's a tough one. Holy crap, The book 45 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 2: is at Darius Rutger dot com. It's also in the 46 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 2: podcast Notes or Amazon. You can get signed copies on 47 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 2: Barnes and Noble. He's got a single called Southern Comfort, 48 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 2: which you can check out his album, which came out 49 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 2: last year's Caroline's Boy. But here we Go. It's Darius 50 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:26,359 Speaker 2: Rutger got a new books. This is a good one. 51 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 2: I mean I think we both like started crying at 52 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 2: some one point. Okay, I think this is a record 53 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 2: for the amount of you and the Yeah, I never 54 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 2: really know him and like when he's getting emotional makes 55 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 2: me emotional. All right, enjoy here we I'm going right now, 56 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 2: Darius Rutger, Episode four fifty four. This is first time 57 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 2: that we've ever done this for like this long. 58 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, we've never done a full length interview. 59 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, we've done lots of like we've we've hung out 60 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:54,360 Speaker 2: a bunch, yeah, but never like And here's why this 61 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 2: is exciting to me. I would never ask you some 62 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 2: of like the geek out questions that I would want 63 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 2: to ask you in person were like hanging out and I 64 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 2: want to be like, so when you met Mark, you 65 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 2: knows a different environment. But when I saw that you 66 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 2: were writing a book which I don't have. Nobody said 67 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 2: it to me. I was supposed to pre read it. Yeah, no, 68 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 2: I never got it. 69 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 1: I don't know. I would to say, you have told me. 70 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 1: I would have said it to you. 71 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 2: Oh no, No, I didn't know if I missed it, 72 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 2: because I would have read it. Instead of lying about 73 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 2: read it like I do sometimes, I would have actually 74 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 2: read it. But then I'll just ask questions and you 75 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 2: can tell me if it's in the book or not. 76 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 2: What's going to do? 77 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:31,920 Speaker 1: Like that? 78 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 2: Life's Too Short? A memoir by Darius Rutger. Why I 79 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 2: write a book? 80 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 1: Now? Oh? They've been asking I've been asked for years 81 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 1: to do it, and I just kept saying no. I 82 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 1: kept saying no, And I would say if I ever did, 83 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 1: it was going to be my kids are grown, when 84 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 1: they're adults, because because you know, if I was going 85 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: to write it, I was going to tell the story. 86 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 1: And if you tell the true story, you know it's 87 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 1: it's not a little more than PG. 88 00:03:58,880 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 3: Sure. 89 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I. 90 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 1: Just figured it was time. It just seemed like a 91 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 1: good time to do. 92 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 2: It without getting any any stories yet? Did you like 93 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 2: pre warn them about stories or are you just gonna 94 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 2: let them experience some of the stuff they don't know. 95 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:19,040 Speaker 1: Oh, I pre warned them. The funny thing is, you know, 96 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:22,159 Speaker 1: I've been pretty open with them about, you know, the 97 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 1: life I've lived since they've grown up, and you know, 98 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 1: so I don't think it's anything's going to surprise them, 99 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 1: but some of the stories will. Probably they'll be taken back. 100 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 2: Man, if I say something wrong, stop me. I'm going 101 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:41,480 Speaker 2: to make a lot of assumptions here based on simple 102 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 2: conversations that we've had. But to me, I was a 103 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 2: massive fan of Hoodie in The Blowfish, both Hoody and 104 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:51,559 Speaker 2: The Blowfish, and to me, it seemed like you guys 105 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 2: because they would show you like singing in choir at 106 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:56,840 Speaker 2: South Carolina. There was this image of you guys that 107 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 2: was wholesome as crap. Yes, everything about you guys was 108 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:04,480 Speaker 2: like down the massive songs, you're playing a pop radio 109 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 2: down the middle. You look clean, you look nice, but 110 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 2: probably a lot of alcohol, a lot of drugs, yes, 111 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:16,159 Speaker 2: more than we would ever think because of the image 112 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 2: that we had of you. 113 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 1: I think there are some stories in the book that 114 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 1: are going to surprise people. I mean, if if it 115 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 1: wasn't us, it wasn't like if the story was Nirvana 116 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:27,039 Speaker 1: or the story, it wouldn't be why. 117 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why because what we thought us. 118 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:33,559 Speaker 1: It's surprised but uh yeah we we we went hard 119 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:36,280 Speaker 1: and there's no and then I don't pull any punches 120 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 1: in the book. I tell the stories and the the 121 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 1: funny stories and the crazy stories. But uh, I think 122 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:44,920 Speaker 1: that's gonna be something at first that people because you're right, 123 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:48,159 Speaker 1: we were the clean cut you know, boys next door. 124 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 1: You know that that that everybody. That's how everybody saw 125 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 1: us because our music was that way too. And uh 126 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 1: but I think there was some people would be not surprised, 127 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:59,719 Speaker 1: but the book will make you go, oh that that happened. 128 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:04,839 Speaker 2: Uh. A personal question that I have, what's the best 129 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:08,799 Speaker 2: drug I never tried? I want to try? Oh my god, 130 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:11,160 Speaker 2: you're asking me that, Like I want to know because 131 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:13,039 Speaker 2: I want to try them all. I've not tried any 132 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 2: of them. I don't even drink alcohol. I would love 133 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 2: to have it all. I love to just have like 134 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 2: a week, and I know that I would not be 135 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 2: if you said, like a Godchaid, Bobby, you have one week, 136 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 2: you can do every drum pretty good and you will 137 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 2: not be addicted like your family. What's the best? 138 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:34,480 Speaker 1: Oh goodness, I can't believe you're going to be to 139 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: answer this question. Ah, extacy is the best? 140 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 2: And did you take a pillow under the tongue or 141 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:42,159 Speaker 2: does that work? 142 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 1: Both? 143 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:46,719 Speaker 2: Even the name of it, I mean, twenty years is 144 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:48,920 Speaker 2: the name of it? Sounds like it should be. 145 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:51,920 Speaker 1: That's that's that's That's what I always say about that 146 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 1: particularly drug. They explain it to you, what it is 147 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 1: by the. 148 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 2: Day, is that the one where you get really dehydrated. 149 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 1: You do get most of you get dehydrated, but yeah, 150 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 1: you get really dehydrated, but you just get really happy. 151 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 2: Can you get addicted to ecstasy? I don't like they 152 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 2: say you can't me they say you can't get addicted 153 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 2: to weed? 154 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. 155 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 2: Probably, man, that one sounds awesome. I wouldn't even put 156 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 2: that on my list because I don't. But that's my 157 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 2: list of drugs with the best names that I think 158 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 2: I want to be addicted to. It's do you just 159 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 2: want to like have sex with everything? 160 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 1: It's not that so much. It's I always say that 161 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 1: if you if you if you think something's okay, you 162 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 1: like it a lot, you like it, you love it, 163 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 1: And if you love it. It's the greatest thing that's 164 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 1: ever hit the earth. 165 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 2: What's being drunk? 166 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 1: Like, you're stupid? That's really you're stupid. 167 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 2: But do you know you're stupid? 168 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 1: No, you don't know. You don't you wake up? 169 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 2: You and I might be drunk every hour of the 170 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 2: day already. 171 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, you might wake up. You know, you wake up 172 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 1: and somebody says you did something you don't remember it, 173 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 1: and you feel like a complete told jerk. 174 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 2: When I I had a brief so I had some 175 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 2: issues where I got jumped and got pistol whipped and 176 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 2: and you know, attacked and whatever. The job my career 177 00:07:57,320 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 2: as did yours. It got to a weird place where 178 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 2: I started to have success. Some of the things that 179 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 2: are not fun about it. Yeah, out of nowhere they 180 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 2: kind of hit me. And so I having all these 181 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 2: security threats and I couldn't sleep, and I my doctor 182 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 2: was like, Okay, we're gonna try everything. I just didn't 183 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 2: want to have any pills doctor. So then I eventually 184 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 2: like our ninth thing. He was like, we're gonna do 185 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 2: this is an ambient type drug and tried it. Got 186 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 2: a bit dependent on it where I felt like I 187 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 2: was tethered to it. If I was going anywhere, it 188 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 2: was with me, just in case, and then I would 189 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 2: take it and then be like, no, I'm gonna go 190 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 2: and work through it for like four hours, and then 191 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 2: I would not remember the next day I would wake up. 192 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 2: I was facetiming people. I don't know what I showed 193 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 2: them on FaceTime. That's the only thing I can think about. 194 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:43,959 Speaker 2: Being drunk and like blacken out. I was like, oh 195 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 2: my god, what did I even do? 196 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 1: What did I do? What did I do? And then 197 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:50,320 Speaker 1: you hear and you go, I did that? Yeah, yeah, 198 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 1: it sucks. Weh. 199 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 2: I used to drive off with the gas pump in 200 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 2: the car. Really did it twice. 201 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 1: Really. 202 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:56,439 Speaker 2: I would go to work. I don't remember any of 203 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 2: the shows, but even here, and I would pump gas 204 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 2: and I would drive off in the gas pump would 205 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 2: be in the car when I like came to came 206 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 2: to like and I was like, man, being drunk socks 207 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 2: like to me, that was the only and I had 208 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 2: to stop doing that. It was very hard, but that 209 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 2: was my drunk and I didn't like it, but also 210 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 2: didn't get to like have fun. Like all my friends, 211 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 2: I'm the only one that doesn't drink and they look. 212 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 1: Like they have a fun. 213 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 2: I just want to have fun. 214 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 1: I mean, everything's fun until it's not fun anymore, or 215 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 1: everything's fun until you take it too far. You know, 216 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 1: like you can drink and not get really drunk and 217 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 1: have a great time. I couldn't. 218 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, you could, I drink everything. I would be. 219 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 1: You know that. That's why you don't. 220 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 2: That's why I don't do it would crush it. 221 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 1: Exactly When did you? 222 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:43,199 Speaker 2: When were you able to sing where people were like, hey, 223 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 2: you're actually better than other people around your age. 224 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 1: Four or five? Really, we knew early. My mom would 225 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 1: tell me when I was five, you have your voice 226 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 1: is different. You've got a great voice. You was singing 227 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 1: those Algreen songs and sounding just like al Green, and 228 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:00,679 Speaker 1: you have a d voice for a kid, No the 229 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:02,559 Speaker 1: kid I had, you know, tenor like everybody else. 230 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:03,200 Speaker 2: Really yeah. 231 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 1: Actually, one of the funny stories I tell is, uh, 232 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 1: I was thirteen, I guess, and I was in the 233 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:10,719 Speaker 1: house and my mom put on an Algreen record and 234 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:12,439 Speaker 1: I started singing the al Green record and I tried 235 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 1: to add the high note and I couldn't hit it 236 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 1: because my voice was changing. And I started crying because 237 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:19,440 Speaker 1: I realized I couldn't sing like that anymore. It's pretty disapprning. 238 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 2: Do you think that your mom, she's pretty supportive in general. 239 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 2: Very Do you think that her telling you at four 240 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 2: or five that you were advanced even though she believed it, 241 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:33,560 Speaker 2: but that also made you feel like you were Therefore 242 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 2: you achieved more because you're believing yourself was stronger. 243 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 1: Absolutely? Absolutely, I mean because she believed me so much. 244 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 1: And like you say, a lot of parents, because you know, 245 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 1: we will see idol or whatever and somebody will say, yeah, 246 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 1: my family said I can sing, and then they sing 247 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 1: and you go, your family and are been lying to 248 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 1: you all these years, And that happens a lot. But uh, 249 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 1: the reason I was so confident was because was my mom. 250 00:10:57,120 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 1: She was always so confident in my talent and always 251 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 1: telling me you're special. This is not a joke, You're special. 252 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 2: Is your mom still alive now? 253 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 1: No? She? Uh eighty nine? 254 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 2: You put on the one last record? 255 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 1: Right? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, she died a ninety before we 256 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 1: ever made it. 257 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 2: Actually, really, where how far did you get or did 258 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 2: you even commit to being a band that was gonna 259 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 2: try while she was alive? Or are you just doing 260 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 2: you did. 261 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 1: Yes, we was. She died in ninety one. We started 262 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 1: the band in eighty six, so yeah, we had we 263 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 1: definitely committed to. We were out playing clubs. 264 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:31,079 Speaker 2: What was she like as a mom and what was 265 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 2: she like? What would her friends say about her? Oh, 266 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:33,959 Speaker 2: her mom? 267 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:36,679 Speaker 1: Her friends would say she was the funniest person. But 268 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 1: she was also that person you could always count on 269 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:42,560 Speaker 1: if you had a problem, especially her work friends, your friends, 270 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 1: or friends or nurse friends. You know, if you had 271 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:47,320 Speaker 1: a problem and it was an emergency and you needed 272 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 1: somebody to work for you, and you could always call 273 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 1: my mom and she'd go in for you and not 274 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 1: complain and not worry about it, not only because she's 275 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 1: helping you, but also because hell, we could use the money, 276 00:11:57,160 --> 00:11:59,560 Speaker 1: you know. And so she was just funny and fun 277 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:03,079 Speaker 1: and she was that mother who worked her butt off. 278 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 1: She worked all the time. But you know, you'd be 279 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:09,560 Speaker 1: so you met your football game and you know, all 280 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 1: you know, be the third quarter and you look up 281 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 1: and there she was walking in from work, you know, 282 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 1: tired of she could be showing up for that game 283 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 1: to watch just the last two quarters and you're already 284 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 1: down twenty eight. But she's yelling like you know, she's 285 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 1: yelling like you we were winning, and you could hear 286 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:25,320 Speaker 1: her yellow on the sidelines and she was she was. 287 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:27,960 Speaker 2: That kind of money your dad, relationship with your dad. 288 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:32,319 Speaker 1: None. None. That was It's funny because I'm I was reading. 289 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 1: I was doing the uh the uh what do you 290 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 1: call it? Audiobook for the book, and I'd read it, 291 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 1: you know, I've read it a couple of times, and 292 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 1: I started reading the parts about my dad, and that's 293 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 1: the only part that I was like choking up. I 294 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:49,080 Speaker 1: was like, really, because I didn't know how much it 295 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 1: bothered me until I wrote the book. I didn't know 296 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 1: how much it really just shaped my life and bothered 297 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 1: me my whole life until I wrote the book, and 298 00:12:57,320 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 1: then I was like, wow, that was that really really bothered? 299 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's real. I had those issues with writing my 300 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 2: first book because with a lot of stuff about my 301 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 2: mom before she died and her and same, I was like, 302 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 2: I didn't understand like how fundamentally, like even misunderstood. I 303 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 2: was to myself, Yeah, until I like put it out, 304 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 2: and then I'm like, well, I got to evaluate and 305 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 2: then even debating on putting it out, so putting it 306 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:27,440 Speaker 2: on paper or writing it's the first set then going 307 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 2: do I really want to send this? And like having 308 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:32,200 Speaker 2: that conversation of how on committing to it and then 309 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 2: you're right Reading it back was really hard. 310 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 1: There was some that was tough with the dad. Stuff 311 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 1: was stuff, But there's stuff in the book where you know, 312 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 1: as you're writing it, you're writing it and you know 313 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:45,959 Speaker 1: you're you're laughing or whatever, you're you're whatever, or you know, 314 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 1: but then when you read it back a couple of 315 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 1: times you go, wow, wow, crazy. 316 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 2: Did you have a new appreciation for the younger version 317 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:55,560 Speaker 2: of you at times who's gotten through some real serious 318 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 2: crab Yeah, I. 319 00:13:56,480 --> 00:14:00,200 Speaker 1: Really that was something that also happened. That's perfect saying 320 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 1: I got a really a lot more respect for me 321 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:06,719 Speaker 1: and an appreciation for me because all the stuff, all 322 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:08,599 Speaker 1: the negative stuff and the positive stuff, but all the 323 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:11,440 Speaker 1: stuff that happens that happened when I was younger. Man, 324 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 1: I wouldn't gonna let anything stop me from doing what 325 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 1: I wanted to do. 326 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 2: And if it were another kid who you saw from you, 327 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 2: you'd be like so proud of that freaking kid. You'd 328 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 2: be like, I cannot believe that kid's doing it. But 329 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 2: if it's us, we're like, now we're just surviving there, 330 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 2: We're you know, we're in the middle of it. We 331 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 2: don't really understand except survive absolutely, and so same for me. 332 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 2: I had it's weird to say an appreciation for that 333 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 2: kid who got through like all that crap. Absolutely, and 334 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 2: that book was a real therapeutic. 335 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 1: That's that's exactly what it was. And that's one of 336 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 1: the reasons I wrote it. And I didn't even realize 337 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 1: that was one of the reasons to go once again. 338 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 1: You started writing, you start writing it, and you're reading 339 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 1: it back and stuff's coming in and you read it 340 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 1: and you're you're going, wow, wow. You know, you're proud 341 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 1: of yourself, but you're also like, wow, life really through 342 00:14:57,880 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 1: some crowballs in there. 343 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 2: Did you ever get the the stage of as you're 344 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 2: writing it, like, man, I'm so over me, Like I'm like, 345 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 2: nobody cares that much. I mean, I went through all yeah, 346 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 2: that's just like I was. It's all about me. I 347 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 2: was writing about me and me me. I'm like, God, 348 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 2: nobody cares. 349 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 1: I called Clarence, my manager, and said, dude, why are 350 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 1: we doing this? I was like, no one's gonna buy 351 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 1: this book. Nobody cares about my life. I was like, dude, 352 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 1: And then you know, you're you're worried about some of 353 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 1: the stuff you put in You're like and you're like, 354 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 1: am I really gonna put that in there? And then 355 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 1: you put it in there and you're like, nobody's gonna 356 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 1: care about that, you know, like even even you know, 357 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 1: now you know, I've written a book, and I still like, 358 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 1: no one's gonna care about this. 359 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 2: Same I had the same feeling, and I remember being 360 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 2: ashamed not of what I put in it, but ashamed 361 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 2: of the potential feelings I could have when people were 362 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 2: judging me. And so you're, yeah, that's oh my goodness. 363 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 2: So you're you're at the stage now where people and 364 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 2: it's it's so different than music though, because you're gonna 365 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 2: put out this book and you're gonna be like, all right, 366 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 2: I read it for people to tell me and take 367 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 2: us like forever to read a book. Yeah, so you 368 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 2: just kind of they it's a slow roll of like people. 369 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 2: But there was a part in my first book where 370 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 2: my mom was struggling and she was a bad addict, 371 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 2: and she had called and I started to make a 372 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 2: little bit of money and she was like, if you 373 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 2: don't give me money, I love my mom, so I'm 374 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 2: gonna say that. But there was a where she was like, 375 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 2: I'm going to do porn, and that was really heavy 376 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 2: and hard on me, but it was also a it 377 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 2: made me realize how awful it was for her and 378 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 2: like I knew, but I didn't really like yeah, but 379 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 2: when she called and threatened me like I'm going to 380 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 2: do porn if you don't send me money, I had 381 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 2: that where I was like, I don't know if I 382 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:34,560 Speaker 2: should put this in the book, but because of what 383 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 2: I had to develop, because so I put it in 384 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 2: with the context around it, and I thought people are 385 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 2: going to judge me, or people are going but that's 386 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 2: the thing when I would go do shows that people 387 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 2: would be like, not the exact same story, but fairly 388 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 2: sa that people would be like. That's what I related 389 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 2: to the most, And that was the part I felt 390 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 2: that I was going to be the judge the most 391 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 2: on was that type of stuff, the really personal stuff 392 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 2: abs so the fact that you have those like, I'm 393 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 2: proud of you, because then that means you put it 394 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 2: out there. 395 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 1: Oh, I put it out there for sure. This is 396 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:09,159 Speaker 1: one thing I talked about in the book where I 397 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 1: don't see my dad from the time I'm like thirteen 398 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:15,399 Speaker 1: or fourteen till I'm twenty eight. Fifteen years Nope, not 399 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 1: a word. Never saw his face. 400 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 2: Do you know where it was? 401 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, fifteen minutes from a house, you know, he lived 402 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 1: right up the road and never saw fifteen years and 403 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 1: then let him and hits and things that start getting crazy. 404 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:31,719 Speaker 1: And we're playing. We're playing out a string of clubs 405 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:34,880 Speaker 1: and rooms that we had booked and uh so we're 406 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:37,959 Speaker 1: playing in Charleston at the King Street Palace, which used 407 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:42,160 Speaker 1: to be Charleston County Hall, and I'm having dinner after 408 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 1: sound check and he walks in the room. Do you 409 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 1: know it him? Yeah, Dean. Dean knew it was him 410 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:50,439 Speaker 1: before I say anything, like Diana, yeah, Deana Basis. We're 411 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:53,680 Speaker 1: sitting there eating and Dean looks up and goes, I 412 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 1: mean he just looked at what. Oh, that's got to 413 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:58,240 Speaker 1: be your dad. He looks just like it like it is, 414 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 1: and he walks over and he talks to me and actually, 415 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:05,399 Speaker 1: really actually, you know, we saw each other yesterday and 416 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:07,159 Speaker 1: I decided I'm going to be the bigger man. And 417 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 1: I was like, you know, cause really, you have so 418 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:10,920 Speaker 1: many conflicting things. I'm like, am I gonna just blow 419 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 1: this gulf? I'm gonna tell him, what are you doing here? 420 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:15,639 Speaker 1: I haven't seen you in fifteen years? You know? Get away? No, 421 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 1: I said, all right. I decided I was going to 422 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:19,119 Speaker 1: be the bigger man try to develop some kind of 423 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:21,360 Speaker 1: relationship with him. So we talked for a little while, 424 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 1: and I give him my phone number. This before cell phones. 425 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 1: I give my phone number and go on the road 426 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:28,440 Speaker 1: for a couple of days. And I get back to 427 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:32,160 Speaker 1: my house and I checked my answer machine and he's 428 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 1: on my answer machine. And the first message he left 429 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:38,359 Speaker 1: me in my whole life, I haven't talked to him 430 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 1: for fifteen years. He asked me for fifty thousand dollars. 431 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 1: It was shocking. I was like, are you kidding me? 432 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:49,640 Speaker 1: And painful and expect me to give it to him? Yeah? 433 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 2: And here you are hopefully investing yourself back into something. 434 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:53,360 Speaker 1: Yeah. 435 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:55,920 Speaker 2: And the first that's I like, that hurt to my 436 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:58,359 Speaker 2: heart because that's just that's so painful. And I can 437 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 2: understand being mad and like I can't believe it, but 438 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:04,920 Speaker 2: also big time because that's your freaking Dade, and maybe 439 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 2: and you. 440 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:07,920 Speaker 1: Know, and when he came with I'll never forget, like 441 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:10,200 Speaker 1: reading ready back of course, like we were talking about, 442 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:13,440 Speaker 1: it hurts, you know, therapeutic, and I'll never forget after 443 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:15,119 Speaker 1: him coming and us going on the road, how I 444 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:17,639 Speaker 1: just felt like, Okay, cool, now Dad and I have 445 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 1: a relationship. We'll try to have some kind of salvage 446 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 1: something for father and son relationship out of this. And 447 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 1: that was the first thing he asked. He asked me, 448 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:27,640 Speaker 1: and I don't think we've ever really had a conversation 449 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 1: after that. 450 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 2: Is he still alive? 451 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:30,920 Speaker 1: No, he died a few years ago. 452 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:31,879 Speaker 2: Did you go to this funeral? 453 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 1: I did it. Sat in the back. 454 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 2: I often thought if I wonder if I could go 455 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 2: to my real dad's funeral, you know, he left when 456 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:39,680 Speaker 2: I was six or whatever. 457 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 1: Sat in the back, didn't take my kids or anything. Wow, 458 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:46,400 Speaker 1: And what was that like for you? It was amazing 459 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 1: to me because I'm sitting in the back and all 460 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 1: these people are getting up and speaking and talking about 461 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:58,159 Speaker 1: how great this guy is, and I'm going, well, he 462 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:01,159 Speaker 1: was great to everybody else but me obviously, which is 463 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:02,119 Speaker 1: absolutely amazing. 464 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:05,879 Speaker 2: Why do you think that he was estranged from you? 465 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 1: I think he had so many kids around town that 466 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 1: I was another headache. And I never complained to my mom, 467 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 1: never complained. So you're not complaining, you know. Oh I 468 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 1: don't really care. 469 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, Squeaky will Yeah that squeak was up. 470 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:23,120 Speaker 1: So I'm not gonna come. See you're not complaining. 471 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:25,159 Speaker 2: It also sucks. He was so close. 472 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:27,400 Speaker 1: That's the thing that bothers me so much. I can't 473 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 1: imagine as a father. I can't imagine my kid living 474 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:34,639 Speaker 1: five minutes fifteen minutes from me. I literally lived fifteen 475 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 1: minutes from him and not seeing him for fifteen years. 476 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 1: I can't imagine that. 477 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:43,200 Speaker 2: You and I had a conversation and the last couple 478 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:44,440 Speaker 2: of months or so when I was talking about my 479 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 2: fears of being a father, and you very were very 480 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 2: upfront and direct, and I was like, I'm scared be 481 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:52,920 Speaker 2: a dad because I don't have a model. My dad sucked. 482 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:55,159 Speaker 2: I don't want to be that. I feel like there 483 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 2: could be that inside of me, just because it was 484 00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:57,400 Speaker 2: inside of him. 485 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:00,400 Speaker 1: And you were like nope. 486 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 2: And then you used you as an example, which is 487 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 2: the best example, because it's not you going why this 488 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 2: guy didn't have a dad? Yeah, and now look at him. 489 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:12,680 Speaker 2: But you were like Nope, look at me. And you 490 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 2: talked about the love you have for your kids. Yeah, 491 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 2: what is that You can't explain a feeling, but explain 492 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 2: a feeling. 493 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:21,879 Speaker 1: I always say that my kids know where I am 494 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 1: twenty four hours a day. They can get in touch 495 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 1: with me twenty four hours a day. If my phone 496 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:29,159 Speaker 1: cell phone rings, they don't get me, there's somebody in 497 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 1: my camp that will find me. And that is because 498 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:34,920 Speaker 1: of my whole life. I never knew where he was 499 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 1: and my love for my kids. That's why I can't understand, 500 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 1: you know, dads like our dad. I just don't understand 501 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:44,119 Speaker 1: how you can walk away from a kid like that. 502 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 1: Because of my love for my kids, you know, unconditional, 503 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:50,160 Speaker 1: no matter what, I'm going to be there for them 504 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:54,639 Speaker 1: and be supporting them. And I mean I feel I 505 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 1: think I feel stronger because I didn't have a dad, 506 00:21:58,080 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 1: because I didn't. 507 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 2: Have this, because you came out on the other side 508 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 2: with all the tools in the strength. Yes, I bet 509 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:04,160 Speaker 2: you wouldn't wish that on your on your on a kid, 510 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 2: No way. 511 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:08,399 Speaker 1: No way. I wouldn't wish, especially a male kid. I 512 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 1: wouldn't wish a female you know, female kid too, but 513 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:14,120 Speaker 1: like a boy growing up without a dad. 514 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:21,160 Speaker 2: How did you do son, male things without a dad 515 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 2: there to teach you those things? 516 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 1: Well, usually I didn't unless but I got lucky. I 517 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 1: have five guys who I grew up with, who i've known, 518 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 1: like four of them I have known. Sulf was like 519 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,119 Speaker 1: six months. We grew up in the same neighborhood, and 520 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 1: their dads were great to me. Like I told, I 521 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 1: told this great story. And it's another moment where I'm reading, 522 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,120 Speaker 1: I'm reading, you know, doing the audiobook, and I get 523 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 1: choked up, and I'm telling the story about uh losing 524 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 1: the championship game in our ten year old football league, 525 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 1: and you know, it was a great season. We should 526 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:54,720 Speaker 1: have won it. And the last, our last game, we're 527 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 1: all sitting we lost, and we're sitting there and everybody's upset, 528 00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:59,440 Speaker 1: and the coach goes, well, you know, we'll see you. 529 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:01,680 Speaker 1: We'll see every parady a week at our father's son 530 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:05,640 Speaker 1: dinner and you know, I couldn't say anything. I didn't 531 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:07,640 Speaker 1: want to say anything there, but I'm thinking you won't 532 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 1: see me, you know, And the day of that dinner, 533 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 1: David David Campbell's my one of my best friends. Dame 534 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:16,879 Speaker 1: Squirt one of my best friends in the world and 535 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 1: his dad. I'm sitting just sitting in my room doing nothing, 536 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:24,640 Speaker 1: you know, about thirty minutes for the thing's supposed to start. 537 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 1: I know I'm not going. I haven't even really mentioned 538 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 1: it to my mom. And mister cambll On he knew 539 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 1: because he's a coach on you know, on the on 540 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 1: the park and knock at the door and I answered 541 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:35,639 Speaker 1: the door and he's standing there in the suit and 542 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:38,680 Speaker 1: tie and he's like, let's go, Like where are we going? 543 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,119 Speaker 1: He's going, We're going to our dinner, you know. And 544 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,600 Speaker 1: he took time away from his kids to take me 545 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:45,679 Speaker 1: to that dinner. And that's something I've never forgotten. 546 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:50,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's like, uh making me cry here Now I'm 547 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:54,159 Speaker 2: feeling the same way too, because again without like my 548 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 2: best friend's dad, Yeah, I would have never gone on 549 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 2: a vacation. Yeah, Like there were a lot of things 550 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:01,920 Speaker 2: that he didn't have to do. And I look back 551 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:02,919 Speaker 2: and I'm like, why would he. 552 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 1: Do Why would he do that? Like my other best 553 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,440 Speaker 1: friend Rick Johanna is his dad. My love of golf, 554 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:10,879 Speaker 1: you know, the you know, the real reason where the 555 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 1: college because he wasn't gonna let me not go. And 556 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 1: it was just those men realized I didn't have a 557 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 1: man in my life and took it upon themselves to 558 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:19,879 Speaker 1: be that. 559 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 3: Hang tight, the Bobby Cast will be right back, and 560 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:33,880 Speaker 3: we're back on the Bobby Cast. 561 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 2: Any I'm gonna chalk it up to any like what 562 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:42,880 Speaker 2: about you though, as I won't even say a man, 563 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:47,200 Speaker 2: but like as an adult, like, how has that affected 564 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 2: you in you being there for folks? 565 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:53,119 Speaker 1: Oh? I mean always. I think all the philanthropy and 566 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 1: the giving back and trying to not just give money 567 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 1: but to give my time the things, it's all because 568 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:00,199 Speaker 1: of stuff like that. Because there were people that went 569 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 1: out of their way to help me, then went out 570 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 1: of their way to help me and they didn't have to. 571 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:08,360 Speaker 1: All they knew is I was friends with their kids. 572 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 1: You know, they knew I didn't have a dad, but 573 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 1: I was friends with their kids. They could have just 574 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 1: treated me like that, but they all treated me with 575 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,640 Speaker 1: so much extra and wanted me to succeed and wanted 576 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 1: me to be And so now I just want to help, 577 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,879 Speaker 1: give back and help as if any people make their 578 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 1: lives better than as I can. 579 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I feel like I'm trying to just get 580 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 2: back to even with all there was, Yeah, like all 581 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:33,359 Speaker 2: that was like moved toward me, pushed towards me in 582 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:37,119 Speaker 2: that like having an opportunity. Yeah, exactly, because there were 583 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:39,399 Speaker 2: a lot of the basic things. Yeah, And I wouldn't 584 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 2: tell my mom. Why bother her with that? She can 585 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:42,119 Speaker 2: do about it, There's nothing she can do. 586 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:43,119 Speaker 1: And she's going to want to. 587 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:44,919 Speaker 2: Take me or my grandma, my grandma or my grandma 588 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:45,640 Speaker 2: my grandma. 589 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 1: Lived with us too, you know, or she's going to 590 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:48,640 Speaker 1: take me and like I'm not going to father's son, 591 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,359 Speaker 1: my mom, And so I just didn't even tell her. 592 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,520 Speaker 1: And but you know, so many things like that that 593 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 1: that once again getting back to the book, you're writing 594 00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 1: that in the book and you realize how much that 595 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 1: affected you. You it affected you so much. 596 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 2: So you're let's say you're twelve, thirteen years old, you're 597 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:13,680 Speaker 2: figuring out who you are, a typical family situation. When 598 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 2: did music happen to where that was a bit of 599 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 2: I won't even say it released, but like something you 600 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 2: could lean into and get better at and maybe see 601 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:22,159 Speaker 2: it as a future. 602 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 1: Let's start about high school. High school. I mean I 603 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,680 Speaker 1: sang in like you know, the choirs in middle school 604 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:29,200 Speaker 1: and stuff, but they weren't real. They were just you know, 605 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:31,200 Speaker 1: Christmas concerts and stuff. And then they got to high 606 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 1: school and I got into a what my in my area, 607 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,880 Speaker 1: the Middleton Singers. They were just the best show choir 608 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 1: in the state. You know, they we just that's what 609 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,360 Speaker 1: And that was a job. You were at the rehearsals 610 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:45,200 Speaker 1: after three or four days a week after school. It 611 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 1: was I mean, it was big. And when I got 612 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,159 Speaker 1: into that my sophomore year, because you couldn't get in 613 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,200 Speaker 1: as a freshman. I got into my sophomore year and 614 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 1: instantly starting getting you know, solos and stuff. The confidence 615 00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 1: level just you know, I want this is exact exactly 616 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 1: what I want to do. All I want to do 617 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:02,480 Speaker 1: is play music. 618 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:05,159 Speaker 2: Were you just singing or did you also think I 619 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 2: should play an instrument? 620 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,720 Speaker 1: Like, well, no, I didn't start playing an instrument to hoodie. 621 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:11,359 Speaker 1: You know, I just wanted to sing. I wanted to 622 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 1: be I always say, until I saw a purple rain, 623 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,159 Speaker 1: I wanted to be a solo artists. I didn't never 624 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:18,200 Speaker 1: want to be in a band. I don't want to 625 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:19,920 Speaker 1: play guitar. I wanted to be upfront with my microphone. 626 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:21,520 Speaker 2: You want to be upfront and sing, yeah and sing. 627 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:24,720 Speaker 2: When did that become a reality? Because it's not like 628 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 2: there are a lot of people doing what you want 629 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,640 Speaker 2: to do around you. Yeah, so it's kind of fairytale land. 630 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:31,359 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, when did that become a reality that it 631 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:33,600 Speaker 2: could happen if things go just right and let's go 632 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 2: and try to chase it down. 633 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:38,200 Speaker 1: That didn't happen to Hoodie because by the time I 634 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:42,880 Speaker 1: got to college, I decided that I'm kids from South Carolina. Yeah, 635 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:44,639 Speaker 1: I can sing, but no one's ever gonna find me. 636 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 1: I'm never gonna get discovered, you know. I got to 637 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 1: go do real job. So I went to school to 638 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 1: be a journalist and met Mark my sophomore year and 639 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 1: the first time first show we played, just me and him. 640 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 2: That was like, wow, okay, expand on that. You met 641 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:04,119 Speaker 2: Mark where and. 642 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,639 Speaker 1: In our dorm? He we're in our dorm and his 643 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 1: freshman year and my sophomore year, and uh, we're just 644 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 1: I'm in the I'm in the shower. It's ten o'clock 645 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,639 Speaker 1: in the morning. I think everybody's in class. And we 646 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,639 Speaker 1: got those prison showers, you know, it's got nine heads, 647 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 1: no shower curtain, just wide open great place to sing. 648 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,280 Speaker 1: I mean, the acoustics are incredible in this place. So 649 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,639 Speaker 1: I think everybody's in class, and I go in to 650 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:31,120 Speaker 1: the take a shower, and I just start singing. I'm 651 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 1: singing Billy Joel's honest Honesty, and I'm singing it like 652 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 1: Billy Joel. I'm belting it out. I mean, I'm full 653 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 1: throttle throwing it out there in the shower. And I 654 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,320 Speaker 1: finished taking my shower, and I think nobody's in the hall, 655 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:46,640 Speaker 1: and I go around. I go around the corner. I 656 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 1: go in the corner. This kid pops and jumps out 657 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 1: of his room. He's like, is that you singing in there? 658 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 1: I was like yeah. He was like, you know, you're great. 659 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:54,960 Speaker 1: I was like, well, thank you, and he just said 660 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 1: I play guitar, you know. 661 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 2: I was like cool. 662 00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 1: He's like, let's get together and see if we know 663 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,040 Speaker 1: any of the same songs. That night we got together, 664 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 1: and I think our first gig was a week later. 665 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 2: He just in the dorm in that same floor that 666 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:07,080 Speaker 2: you have sing it at the same time. 667 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, crazy, I mean, and the stuff that 668 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 1: led up to Hoody the Buffish. I always say, it's like, 669 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,000 Speaker 1: if people don't believe in fate. They should hear the 670 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 1: Hoody story. 671 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,080 Speaker 2: That's what my question was, Do you believe it was fate? 672 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:25,440 Speaker 2: He because again all the same floor, same time saying wait, okay, 673 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 2: First of. 674 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,640 Speaker 1: All, let's start. Mark wanted to go to JMU, didn't 675 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,360 Speaker 1: get in, ended up at South Carolina. He ain't got 676 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 1: a scholarship to Elon, didn't take it. Ended up in 677 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 1: South Carolina. Sony who just wanted to play Division one soccer, 678 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 1: that's all he wanted to do. South Carolina's the only 679 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 1: school that gave him a scholarship. It's like, we look 680 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 1: at the four of us and even worse than that, 681 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,560 Speaker 1: this is a story that that tells how fate is. 682 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,120 Speaker 1: My first my freshman sebaster, my first semester freshman year, 683 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:56,040 Speaker 1: I decided South Carolina wasn't for me. I'm transferring. I'm 684 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,959 Speaker 1: out here. It's a week before exams, even before five 685 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 1: on exams and sitting there and this kid comes to 686 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,240 Speaker 1: me and like right after we're having a hall meeting, 687 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 1: a week before just the hall meeting for everybody in 688 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,960 Speaker 1: the dorm. This kid, Chris Carney comes up to me 689 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:12,720 Speaker 1: right after the hall meeting and goes, hey, man, what 690 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 1: are you doing? And I'm like, I'm just going to 691 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,280 Speaker 1: go study. That's all I did my freshman year was study. 692 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,560 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go study and care are exams and he goes, well, 693 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:22,920 Speaker 1: when you're done studying, come down, let's have a beer. 694 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,400 Speaker 1: I went to my room, went back to his room, 695 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 1: and I had so much fun for that time. I 696 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 1: stayed in South Carolina. If that kid doesn't stop me 697 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:36,120 Speaker 1: and tell me to come to his room and parties 698 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,400 Speaker 1: with me the way we did, I transferred hooting the 699 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:43,040 Speaker 1: bobshit never happens, and that kid now runs my business. 700 00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:44,640 Speaker 1: He runs my life. He's the only person in the 701 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:45,520 Speaker 1: world I could tell me now. 702 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:46,600 Speaker 2: But he's still in your life. 703 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:48,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, the only person in the world I could tell me. No, 704 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 1: he runs everything in my life. 705 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:55,200 Speaker 2: So you and Mark played that show a little coffee play. 706 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 2: I don't know what to a. 707 00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 1: Little chicken wing joint, Little chicken wing joints. 708 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,240 Speaker 2: See get a week later. You what do you what 709 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:01,920 Speaker 2: do you play? Munch covers, Bunch. 710 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,880 Speaker 1: All covers, not one original. You know everything from Sulton's 711 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,800 Speaker 1: Swing to to Take It Easy and Hank Junior and 712 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:12,520 Speaker 1: and you know bird Dog by the Everly Brothers. It 713 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 1: was full of covers. 714 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 2: What was he about musically? 715 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,520 Speaker 1: Oh? Aria? That was the thing that the first day 716 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:20,960 Speaker 1: we sat down, we were both all about Ario. We 717 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,760 Speaker 1: both had discovered the band that changed our lives. And 718 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,520 Speaker 1: like when we started playing songs together, we're like, wow, 719 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,040 Speaker 1: you know, yeah, you know Arim no I love Ario. 720 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,520 Speaker 2: When you finished the show, was it a wow, We've 721 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:35,320 Speaker 2: got to do this more type thing? 722 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 1: It was a we gotta do this again. It was 723 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:39,920 Speaker 1: like first first show, like we got to do this again. 724 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,360 Speaker 1: And actually we finished the show and Pappy, who owned 725 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:46,000 Speaker 1: the bar, this old scraggly bald marine with the handle 726 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,320 Speaker 1: handlebar mustache, walks up it didn't want us to play, 727 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:51,560 Speaker 1: gave it let us play because we went there so much, 728 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,480 Speaker 1: and walked up and said, all right, that was good, 729 00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 1: come back next week. 730 00:31:57,880 --> 00:31:59,560 Speaker 2: And what do you get paid for your second gig? 731 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:00,640 Speaker 2: Twenty bucks for. 732 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 1: First gig we got first gig, we asked for fifty bucks. 733 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,719 Speaker 1: He yelled at us, said he wasn't going to pay 734 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,720 Speaker 1: us anything, and after the gig he gave us fifty bucks. 735 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:12,760 Speaker 2: Really, when did the other guys come about, like Dean 736 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:13,760 Speaker 2: and Sony and how. 737 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,920 Speaker 1: Probably it was the next semester like Mark and I. 738 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:22,440 Speaker 1: I guess that probably happened, I don't know, late late 739 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,760 Speaker 1: in the fall. And then we went we went away 740 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:28,240 Speaker 1: for went away for Christmas break and came back and 741 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 1: started the band. Did you do it? Hey? 742 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 2: We're looking for a bass player and a drummer. 743 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:34,720 Speaker 1: The funny thing is when we decided to get to 744 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:38,040 Speaker 1: start the band, Mark and met the drummer, Brandley Smith, 745 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:40,000 Speaker 1: who was our first drummer. They were in a class 746 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:43,160 Speaker 1: together and he said that you know that Dean kid 747 00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:45,800 Speaker 1: upstairs because Dean lived on the sixth floor and Market 748 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:47,920 Speaker 1: Dean had known each other their whole lives. Their dads 749 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 1: are best friends growing up. And uh, he said, Dean played. 750 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,480 Speaker 1: Dean's a great bass player. He got a scholarship to Elon. 751 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:56,120 Speaker 1: I was like to play base. He was like yeah. 752 00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:57,880 Speaker 1: I was like, I'll ask him. Well, let's ask him 753 00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:01,520 Speaker 1: he wants to play, and Deed said no eight million 754 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:02,200 Speaker 1: times because he. 755 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:03,200 Speaker 2: Was too smart to be in a band. 756 00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:05,600 Speaker 1: He had played. He'd played in the band with Mark 757 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,240 Speaker 1: before in high school and Mark was Marks very intense 758 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:09,560 Speaker 1: and he was like, I just don't want to deal 759 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,400 Speaker 1: with that anymore. And his parents told him, if you 760 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:15,440 Speaker 1: don't take the scholarship to go play bass of Elon. 761 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:17,239 Speaker 1: Don't you go down to South Carolina start think you're 762 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:18,880 Speaker 1: gonna play in a band like he was. He didn't. 763 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,160 Speaker 1: Even they wouldn't le him take a bass. We had 764 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,840 Speaker 1: to borrow basis for our first gigs because they wouldn't 765 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:24,640 Speaker 1: let him take the base. 766 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:26,840 Speaker 2: Well. What finally convinced him to do it? 767 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,280 Speaker 1: What finally convinced it? He said he'd played I find 768 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:32,720 Speaker 1: we after him and I partied and we talked. We 769 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,280 Speaker 1: asked him a hundred times. Finally he said, I will 770 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:38,200 Speaker 1: do it for one I'll do it for the gig 771 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,239 Speaker 1: at Pappy's and maybe another gig, but you guys need 772 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 1: to find a new bass player. 773 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:42,480 Speaker 2: What changed his mind? 774 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,520 Speaker 1: Success? Yeah, I mean, you know, we still joke. We 775 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:47,360 Speaker 1: always said, Dean, we're still looking for a bass player, 776 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:50,880 Speaker 1: you know, with success even I mean, I tell the 777 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,080 Speaker 1: story about like we just didn't tell his parents for 778 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:57,880 Speaker 1: the first year and a half two years. An, Yeah, 779 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,440 Speaker 1: it was And it was funny because finally we start 780 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:03,880 Speaker 1: playing out he has to tell him because we're playing 781 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,080 Speaker 1: and we're playing this bar in DC he called the 782 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:11,239 Speaker 1: Bayou and the Bayou who used to be the Bar 783 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,319 Speaker 1: and DC. It was the band Born DC and we're 784 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:16,760 Speaker 1: playing there and his dad, his parents live right outside 785 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:18,520 Speaker 1: of d C. And they're driving. We're driving in to 786 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,839 Speaker 1: the gig and his dad's still against it. His dad's 787 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:23,799 Speaker 1: still mad that he's in a band, but they're gonna 788 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,040 Speaker 1: come see us play. And we pull up to the 789 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:31,320 Speaker 1: gig and the line is down the street, around the 790 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:35,520 Speaker 1: block and then around another block, and we're driving up 791 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,799 Speaker 1: and mister Freilver he goes, what are all these people 792 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,960 Speaker 1: doing here? Dean goes, Dad, I think they're here to 793 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,200 Speaker 1: see us. He was like, And we go and we 794 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:45,920 Speaker 1: park and we walk in and whens. Soon as you 795 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,400 Speaker 1: walk in, you realize none of those people are getting in. 796 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,719 Speaker 1: This place is packed. And we're walking and he looks 797 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,239 Speaker 1: around and we're behind him. We're behind him and his 798 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,640 Speaker 1: wife and he's walking. He looks around and he finally 799 00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:58,960 Speaker 1: he just turns around and goes, Okay, y'all can do this. 800 00:34:59,400 --> 00:34:59,920 Speaker 1: And that was. 801 00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:02,960 Speaker 2: The box. I'm okay with it now. 802 00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:04,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, he was like, all right, y'all can do this. 803 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:05,240 Speaker 2: What about Sony. 804 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:07,840 Speaker 1: Sony was in from the time on he came and 805 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:10,440 Speaker 1: we were looking for our trumber, Brandley, who was great. 806 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:15,200 Speaker 1: He played like Stuart Copeland. He great drummer, but real religious, 807 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,200 Speaker 1: like real Baptist, real religious, and rock and roll was 808 00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:20,879 Speaker 1: not in his future. He was playing with us because 809 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,360 Speaker 1: he loved music, but rock and roll wasn't in his future, 810 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,960 Speaker 1: and so he quit the band and we were looking 811 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:29,799 Speaker 1: for a new drummer. We were having auditions. One day 812 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:31,840 Speaker 1: had a bunch of drummers come over to our apartment 813 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,440 Speaker 1: to play with us, and Sony was one of them. 814 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:36,399 Speaker 1: He was in a bunch of local bands. And I'll 815 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,480 Speaker 1: tell this to I'll give you the reader's digestive version 816 00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:40,759 Speaker 1: of this story. I see his name on the list 817 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,000 Speaker 1: that he's coming, and I say to the band, no, 818 00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:45,919 Speaker 1: I'm not playing with that guy. They're like, why aren't 819 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,600 Speaker 1: you playing with Sony? And I tell this story about 820 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,480 Speaker 1: my freshman year in college. I meet this girl in 821 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:55,560 Speaker 1: Carolina Alive, and you know, I really like her a lot, 822 00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:57,640 Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, I'm thinking things are going okay, but 823 00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,680 Speaker 1: nothing's happening for a while. And so one day she 824 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:02,799 Speaker 1: calls me up and says, come to my house, come 825 00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:07,200 Speaker 1: to my room. I want to show you something. Yes, yes, 826 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,799 Speaker 1: So I get I get dressed and her rooms. Her 827 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:12,960 Speaker 1: dorm is all the way across campus, and I go 828 00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,400 Speaker 1: all the way across campus to her dorm and I 829 00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,080 Speaker 1: get there and as soon as we get there, we 830 00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:19,960 Speaker 1: run outside. She grabs me. Ran outside and she says, 831 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:21,960 Speaker 1: take a picture. Stay here. I'm on the bridge. She say, 832 00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:23,919 Speaker 1: stay here and take a picture of me. She runs 833 00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,680 Speaker 1: down to the sand volleyball courts and she had written 834 00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,840 Speaker 1: in the sand volleyball courts I love Sony and she 835 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:35,000 Speaker 1: called me over to take the picture. And so I 836 00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,200 Speaker 1: hated Sony. He was not going to be in our. 837 00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,160 Speaker 2: Band, and yet he still got in the band. 838 00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,640 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, he came to over rehearsals and he was 839 00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:44,480 Speaker 1: a great drummer. And then we said, well, you know, 840 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,600 Speaker 1: we're going straight originals and he was like, yeah, that's 841 00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:48,560 Speaker 1: what I want to do. I want to be in 842 00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:51,520 Speaker 1: an original band. And he was like, I got a song. 843 00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,600 Speaker 1: We were like, yeah, right, okay, you got a song. 844 00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:58,880 Speaker 1: Play as your song. He played hold my Hand and 845 00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:01,359 Speaker 1: we were like, yeah, you're in the band. 846 00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:03,560 Speaker 2: What was that version of hold my Hand? Like? 847 00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:05,400 Speaker 1: Pretty close to what we do. It didn't have the 848 00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,400 Speaker 1: answer backs and a couple other things that I wrote in, 849 00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,080 Speaker 1: but uh, it's pretty much exactly the way we play it. 850 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,920 Speaker 2: When you say answer backs, you know, hold my hand. 851 00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:16,360 Speaker 1: I'll want you to hold my hand all that, you know, 852 00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,360 Speaker 1: just when the chorus is big and the lead singer 853 00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:21,480 Speaker 1: is riffing back and stuff like that. I wrote that stuff. 854 00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:26,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, you guys starting a van, a couple of cars, or. 855 00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,319 Speaker 1: If we started cars. But by the time Sony came along. 856 00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:32,960 Speaker 1: When Sony came along, we bought a van for like 857 00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:36,280 Speaker 1: two thousand dollars and it had two seats and nothing 858 00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,200 Speaker 1: else in the back. And we would stack our would 859 00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:41,640 Speaker 1: stack our equipment, and everybody else would just basically lay 860 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,120 Speaker 1: on the floor. And I'm telling you, ten times somebody 861 00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:45,680 Speaker 1: hit the brakes and all of us almost di. 862 00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:47,640 Speaker 2: Did you have to learn to be a mechanic of 863 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,759 Speaker 2: it too? Yep, because if you didn't, you weren't going 864 00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:51,879 Speaker 2: to pay. I mean there's no money. 865 00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:53,480 Speaker 1: We couldn't afford to get it fixed. If we couldn't 866 00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:54,160 Speaker 1: fix it ourselves. 867 00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:59,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're driving around you playing Monday Tuesday. Pay every 868 00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:01,759 Speaker 2: day that we could play, you know. 869 00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:05,239 Speaker 1: Actually, when Sony joined the band, we were pretty much 870 00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,680 Speaker 1: everybody was out of school, almost out of school, like well, 871 00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,680 Speaker 1: I think Mark and Dean had another semester or something, 872 00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:13,319 Speaker 1: but it was we were going to go on the road. 873 00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:14,560 Speaker 1: That was the only play. 874 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,799 Speaker 2: Who was the first person that wasn't somebody from home 875 00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:22,000 Speaker 2: South Carolina even super regional, to go, hey man, there's 876 00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:25,080 Speaker 2: something here with you. Guys like that that didn't get 877 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:29,600 Speaker 2: bred to enjoy what you're doing, had no interest in you, 878 00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:31,680 Speaker 2: except for they thought they saw something in you that 879 00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:33,400 Speaker 2: can make everybody more some money. 880 00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:36,520 Speaker 1: The first person that mattered that really changed us was 881 00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:40,000 Speaker 1: this guy Dick Hodgen, who's a manager and producer in 882 00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:45,120 Speaker 1: North Carolina, and he came and saw us somewhere and 883 00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,719 Speaker 1: he ended up producing our first EPs that got us 884 00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,439 Speaker 1: a deal. But he was the one who said, y'all 885 00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:56,120 Speaker 1: aren't like anybody else, and nobody else has this singer, 886 00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:57,960 Speaker 1: so I think y'all could do something. 887 00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:11,480 Speaker 4: The Bobby Cast be right back. This is the Bobby Cast. 888 00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,480 Speaker 2: When did you start to be able to afford like 889 00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:16,360 Speaker 2: a bus? 890 00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:20,320 Speaker 1: Not till Cracked Review came out? When where Cracked Review 891 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,520 Speaker 1: came out? We got our first bus, really yeah, it 892 00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:23,880 Speaker 1: took that. 893 00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:25,880 Speaker 2: And again bus is expensive. 894 00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:30,880 Speaker 1: Buses are expensive, yeah, and you know, I mean we 895 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,800 Speaker 1: were making money. Don't get me like the year before 896 00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,719 Speaker 1: we all before we signed a record deal. I think 897 00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,319 Speaker 1: we each made like fifty sixty grand each. We were 898 00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,600 Speaker 1: making more than our friends who had real jobs out 899 00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:44,360 Speaker 1: of college, you know, just playing clubs. But we were 900 00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:46,680 Speaker 1: making that money because we you know, we were frugal. 901 00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:50,120 Speaker 2: We're saving that money. Yeah, yeah, save money, made money exactly. 902 00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:50,960 Speaker 1: So you. 903 00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:56,200 Speaker 2: Whenever you sign a record deal, it's so different than 904 00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,080 Speaker 2: it would be today. But it's been different every every decade. 905 00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:01,880 Speaker 2: It's basic record deals are completely different. So do they 906 00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:06,000 Speaker 2: give you a big recoup up what do they give you? 907 00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:09,040 Speaker 1: They didn't give us to anything. I think our upfront 908 00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,400 Speaker 1: money for us was forty grand so we could have 909 00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:15,640 Speaker 1: ten each, and then they paid for our studio and 910 00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:16,120 Speaker 1: that was it. 911 00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:17,440 Speaker 2: Well, where'd you record? 912 00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:19,480 Speaker 1: Recorded in La? I don't remember the name of the 913 00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,160 Speaker 1: studio right now, but we recorded in La with Don 914 00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:28,040 Speaker 1: Gamon and it was it was a magical three weeks 915 00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:29,920 Speaker 1: in La. It was just awesome. 916 00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,680 Speaker 2: When you finished that record, crack review, what did you 917 00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:35,640 Speaker 2: think the song was going to be? 918 00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:36,960 Speaker 1: Not? What was it? 919 00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,520 Speaker 2: Because different arguments. Obviously, I thought. 920 00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:42,040 Speaker 1: Letter Cry was going to beat a big hit. I 921 00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:44,680 Speaker 1: thought if we if any song on this record breaks 922 00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:46,480 Speaker 1: us a letter cry is going to beat the song. 923 00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:50,080 Speaker 1: I just thought that song was the way we played it, 924 00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:53,479 Speaker 1: Everything about that song. I just thought, this one's gonna 925 00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:53,600 Speaker 1: be it. 926 00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:55,440 Speaker 2: Do they have rolls back down like it's a ballad, 927 00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:56,400 Speaker 2: We're not going to lead with it. 928 00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,839 Speaker 1: Yep. That's why we le would hold My Hand, which 929 00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,400 Speaker 1: is also another ballad, but you know they thought it 930 00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:02,560 Speaker 1: was a little more upbeat. 931 00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:03,880 Speaker 2: A couple more drums. 932 00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,120 Speaker 1: So yeah, exactly exactly. 933 00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:11,080 Speaker 2: If I were to say with hooting the Blowfish, what's 934 00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:16,399 Speaker 2: the highlight professionally and what it's kind of the low 935 00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:18,560 Speaker 2: light because I kind of want to wrap whody up 936 00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:20,800 Speaker 2: and move to a different part of your career. But 937 00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,759 Speaker 2: what's the highlight where you're like, god, dang, you can't 938 00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,560 Speaker 2: believe it, this is it? And then what's kind of like, man, 939 00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:27,719 Speaker 2: I don't know what we're gonna be able to do 940 00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:28,200 Speaker 2: this anymore. 941 00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:33,399 Speaker 1: Oh, I think the highlight was for me. I'm sure 942 00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:36,640 Speaker 1: for each member has their different highlight. But the highlight 943 00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,320 Speaker 1: for me was when we played the Billboard Music Awards 944 00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:41,239 Speaker 1: with Al Green. That was. 945 00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:45,759 Speaker 2: Kilby who you sang as a kid? 946 00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:50,560 Speaker 1: Yes, who was one of those moments we had played 947 00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:53,120 Speaker 1: every every award show, and they want us to play 948 00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:55,440 Speaker 1: the Billboard Music Awards and we just didn't want to 949 00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,320 Speaker 1: play it. We played every show, and Billboards is different. 950 00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:00,200 Speaker 1: You know who's going to win. You know, it's not 951 00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:02,040 Speaker 1: like the politics of having to play something else, so 952 00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:03,920 Speaker 1: you could get a win. You know who's gonna win. 953 00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:06,799 Speaker 1: And so we weren't going to play it. And they 954 00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,120 Speaker 1: say to us, if you play it, we'll get Al 955 00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:11,319 Speaker 1: Green to play with you. And I was like, yeah, right, 956 00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:13,440 Speaker 1: They're like, no, if you play it, we'll get All 957 00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:15,080 Speaker 1: Green to play with you. I was like, when you 958 00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:16,879 Speaker 1: get Al Green to play with us, we'll say yes. 959 00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:19,000 Speaker 1: And sure enough they got. I don't know what they 960 00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:20,919 Speaker 1: did or how much they paid him, but he said yes, 961 00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:23,920 Speaker 1: and that performance I start like every now and then. 962 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:25,520 Speaker 1: That's one of the few things I still watch it 963 00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:25,960 Speaker 1: from us. 964 00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:28,000 Speaker 2: Can you remember it vividly from doing it? 965 00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:31,560 Speaker 1: I remember, like I'm standing on stage right now, like 966 00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,000 Speaker 1: when Dean hit that baseline to take me to the 967 00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:38,480 Speaker 1: river and Al walked out. You could first of all, 968 00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:40,000 Speaker 1: you could have shot the crowd the face because nobody 969 00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:43,760 Speaker 1: expected it. And second of all, he went off, Bobby, 970 00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:45,239 Speaker 1: you can look at you're in TV. You do this. 971 00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,960 Speaker 1: We're a living we're playing over our time. We're supposed 972 00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,279 Speaker 1: to play because AL won't stop. And as long as 973 00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:55,239 Speaker 1: AL jammin, we're jamming, so AL won't stop. They go 974 00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,759 Speaker 1: to the announcer to go to commercial, and we are 975 00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,120 Speaker 1: killing it so hard. They changed their mind and going 976 00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:01,840 Speaker 1: back to the stage. 977 00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:06,400 Speaker 2: That never happened. It could it cost money, never happened. 978 00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:07,360 Speaker 1: It was awesome. 979 00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:11,879 Speaker 2: Okay, dang, that's crazy. Yeah, just I mean, I'm thinking 980 00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:13,319 Speaker 2: of the TV part of it, not even your career. 981 00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:14,400 Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, it was crazy. 982 00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:16,680 Speaker 2: They they go to Bardow up in their corner like, well, 983 00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,240 Speaker 2: let's go back. That never happened. 984 00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:24,960 Speaker 1: I know, it was crazy. Probably the low point was 985 00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:30,439 Speaker 1: probably right after I Quick partying and we were getting 986 00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:33,799 Speaker 1: to the point where we were putting, you know, eight 987 00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:37,320 Speaker 1: thousand people in the fourteen thousand seater. That was just 988 00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:39,680 Speaker 1: not fun that we were. We were working. We were 989 00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:41,880 Speaker 1: out on the road too much every summer, doing the 990 00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:46,840 Speaker 1: same things, the same buildings. We we just we weren't. 991 00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,600 Speaker 1: We weren't who died the Bluefisher. We weren't friends anymore. 992 00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:52,000 Speaker 1: We weren't. We just play music. 993 00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:56,360 Speaker 2: So whenever you cause again, you guys. You guys are 994 00:43:56,520 --> 00:44:00,319 Speaker 2: like to the random fan, you're cool again. Everything is cyclical. Yeah, 995 00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:03,720 Speaker 2: it's crazy, right, because there was a time where no, no, we're. 996 00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:05,279 Speaker 1: Not cool again. We're cool for the first time. 997 00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:09,080 Speaker 2: But there was there was a time where like pop 998 00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:13,400 Speaker 2: culture like Hoody and the Blowfish was not a nice thing. 999 00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:19,680 Speaker 2: And cyclically it's the opposite now like people that loved 1000 00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,680 Speaker 2: you then and probably gave up our back and new 1001 00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:26,840 Speaker 2: people love you. But again, if we go to the 1002 00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:31,600 Speaker 2: version of your music career now, because I don't and 1003 00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:33,600 Speaker 2: I wasn't in country music when you came to country music, 1004 00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,560 Speaker 2: but I was always a massive fan. Did you just 1005 00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,960 Speaker 2: make music? Did you go I've always loved country music. 1006 00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:41,719 Speaker 2: Let me just kind of shift how I'm doing, let 1007 00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:44,479 Speaker 2: me make my music, Like, how did that initially happen? 1008 00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:48,879 Speaker 1: I've always like, I've talked about making country record since 1009 00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,560 Speaker 1: the eighties when Raddy, when Foster and Lloyd came out. 1010 00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:53,879 Speaker 1: That was really I'll be honest with you that I've 1011 00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:55,719 Speaker 1: always liked country music. I thought it was great, but 1012 00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:57,359 Speaker 1: I never thought about playing it because first of all, 1013 00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:59,000 Speaker 1: there was nobody that looked like me, and and second 1014 00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,359 Speaker 1: of all, you know, I'm a rocker. I'm a rocker, 1015 00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:04,239 Speaker 1: you know, rim you know the police and stuff like that. 1016 00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:07,840 Speaker 1: And when Foster and Lloyd came out, all I wanted 1017 00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:09,600 Speaker 1: to do was in country music. I mean, it really 1018 00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:11,640 Speaker 1: changed where I heard music. I used to tell the 1019 00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:13,759 Speaker 1: band all the time, let's make a country record, let's 1020 00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:16,120 Speaker 1: do something the country, and you know, they just weren't interested. 1021 00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:20,600 Speaker 1: So we never did it. And when we decided it 1022 00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:22,320 Speaker 1: was time for us to stop just being out on 1023 00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,480 Speaker 1: the road and playing anymore than my first thought was 1024 00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:27,920 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to Nashville and make a record. Didn't 1025 00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:29,640 Speaker 1: expect anything, but I was gonna go make a record. 1026 00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:31,360 Speaker 2: When you say go to Nashville make a record, was 1027 00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:33,480 Speaker 2: it make a record, get a record deal, do that, 1028 00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:37,200 Speaker 2: or just go and because you know they're great studios people, 1029 00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:38,920 Speaker 2: great producers, and just go see what happens. 1030 00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:40,520 Speaker 1: I was just gonna come. I didn't think I could 1031 00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:41,160 Speaker 1: get a record deal. 1032 00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:44,160 Speaker 2: I mean, because you were from hooting the Blowfish, or 1033 00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:44,920 Speaker 2: because you're a black guy. 1034 00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:47,399 Speaker 1: Both. I thought I had two of the biggest strikes 1035 00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:49,160 Speaker 1: against me. First of all, I'm coming from a pop band, 1036 00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:51,879 Speaker 1: which they hate over here, and I'm the black guy, 1037 00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:54,360 Speaker 1: and I'm not gonna say they hate us, but they 1038 00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:56,719 Speaker 1: ain't putt none of us on the radio, you know, 1039 00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,960 Speaker 1: And I wouldn't. I mean, I really hadn't told Doc 1040 00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:01,680 Speaker 1: I'm a manager at the time, that I wanted a 1041 00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:02,880 Speaker 1: record deal. I just told him I'm going to go 1042 00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:05,400 Speaker 1: get some buddies, go to Nashville and make a record. 1043 00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:08,800 Speaker 1: And Doc doesn't do anything that way, thank goodness, and 1044 00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:10,719 Speaker 1: just called me up one night and said I got 1045 00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:14,040 Speaker 1: your record deal with with Capital And I really because 1046 00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:15,640 Speaker 1: he called me up and he goes, I think I 1047 00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:17,920 Speaker 1: got your record deal. And I said to them, I 1048 00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:19,960 Speaker 1: was like, Doc, if it's some independent label, I want 1049 00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:21,719 Speaker 1: to do it myself. I just don't want to be 1050 00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:23,960 Speaker 1: beholding to some of the independent label and I could 1051 00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:26,800 Speaker 1: pay for it myself. And he was like, no, I 1052 00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:29,879 Speaker 1: got your record deal with Capitol Records. I was like, yeah, right, 1053 00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,920 Speaker 1: and he puts Mike Dungan on the telephone, who says 1054 00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:37,239 Speaker 1: who says, I never got that hootie thing. But I 1055 00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:39,480 Speaker 1: boys thought you were a country singer and gave me 1056 00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:40,080 Speaker 1: a record deal. 1057 00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:42,960 Speaker 2: I was a part and maybe you were too. But 1058 00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:45,279 Speaker 2: my grandma was big Charlie pride Fance. Why I was 1059 00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:46,960 Speaker 2: too and so I was part of the documentary, the 1060 00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:50,880 Speaker 2: Charlie Ulementary. Yeah, I thought so, yeah, And so I 1061 00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:52,200 Speaker 2: think they thought it was a little weird that I 1062 00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:54,360 Speaker 2: was at the time. It was like thirty eight, and 1063 00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:56,000 Speaker 2: I was like, I'm massive. They came to me like 1064 00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:57,680 Speaker 2: what do you know? I was like a lot, like 1065 00:46:57,800 --> 00:46:59,640 Speaker 2: let me tell you. And so I was just kind 1066 00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:00,800 Speaker 2: of laying out and they're like, would you be a 1067 00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:05,400 Speaker 2: part of this documentary? And I remember talking about because 1068 00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:07,799 Speaker 2: they wanted a version of somebody who would work, who 1069 00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:09,440 Speaker 2: works in radio, about what he had to go through, 1070 00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:13,040 Speaker 2: and when they would send out his music, they would 1071 00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:15,960 Speaker 2: put no picture on it. I know, I know for 1072 00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:20,120 Speaker 2: a long time after he had hits still because it 1073 00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:22,279 Speaker 2: wasn't like the Internet where you could like if you 1074 00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:25,480 Speaker 2: investigated hard enough, I get, but again, people were just 1075 00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:27,680 Speaker 2: looking to play. They just wanted to hear music, so 1076 00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:32,000 Speaker 2: they they didn't because they didn't want people to say 1077 00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:34,000 Speaker 2: no just because it was a black guy. Yes, and 1078 00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:38,080 Speaker 2: so let's remove the hoodie part of it, the hosh 1079 00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:41,200 Speaker 2: and so here you are. Did you feel after it 1080 00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,600 Speaker 2: was known that you had signed a record deal. Was 1081 00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:45,960 Speaker 2: it a big announcement in the trades? 1082 00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:49,239 Speaker 1: It was, and it was. I mean, I think the 1083 00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:51,719 Speaker 1: label took a bunch of backlash because of who do 1084 00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:54,440 Speaker 1: you because because of the black guy. Yeah, and probably 1085 00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:56,440 Speaker 1: probably more, probably more I. 1086 00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:59,200 Speaker 2: Bet whody outwardly, but but but but well, we all 1087 00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:00,840 Speaker 2: knew it was that exactly. 1088 00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:02,600 Speaker 1: You know, they'd say it was Kazudi. But it be 1089 00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:06,680 Speaker 1: like there were people that said, you know, the funny 1090 00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:08,600 Speaker 1: thing is I heard we heard the same thing about 1091 00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:11,839 Speaker 1: Cracked the review. So it makes me laugh. But there's 1092 00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:14,640 Speaker 1: people who said that Capitol would be the laughing stock 1093 00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:19,600 Speaker 1: of country music if they signed me, and it was 1094 00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:22,160 Speaker 1: deja vu because everybody, you know, there were some people 1095 00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:24,400 Speaker 1: at Atlantic Records that said they'd be the laughing stock 1096 00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:26,120 Speaker 1: if they didn't put out Correcter, if they put Cracked 1097 00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:29,840 Speaker 1: Review out. And so it's like I just laughed at it. 1098 00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:32,000 Speaker 1: And the thing that was for me, the thing that 1099 00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:36,440 Speaker 1: I had that made it okay, I wasn't expecting any success. 1100 00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:39,520 Speaker 2: I mean, there's plenty of money then, so I was. 1101 00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:42,120 Speaker 1: I didn't have plenty of money. I mean, trust me, 1102 00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:46,279 Speaker 1: country music, but the very good to me. But I 1103 00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:47,840 Speaker 1: didn't have plenty of money. But I was okay. 1104 00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:50,680 Speaker 2: But I guess, did you need money, I need, I need. 1105 00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:52,320 Speaker 1: I couldn't have lived off what I had for the 1106 00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:54,320 Speaker 1: rest of my life. No, not to live not the 1107 00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:55,359 Speaker 1: lifestyle I wanted to live. 1108 00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:58,359 Speaker 2: So you're okay, let's say that never works out. 1109 00:48:58,400 --> 00:48:58,719 Speaker 1: What do you do? 1110 00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:01,279 Speaker 2: Let's say you never make a country. 1111 00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:02,400 Speaker 1: I bet if I didn't make a country music, who 1112 00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:04,480 Speaker 1: need the blow? Should be back out, going every going 1113 00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:05,040 Speaker 1: out every year. 1114 00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:11,400 Speaker 2: Again the first song you cut as now it's just 1115 00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:15,400 Speaker 2: weird to think of you as rock or to me 1116 00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:18,040 Speaker 2: you're South Carolina, which is a bit of both. Yeah, 1117 00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:20,440 Speaker 2: I mean it really is. So we'll just say the 1118 00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:25,359 Speaker 2: timeline you're now a country artist, because now I still 1119 00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:27,960 Speaker 2: consider you to be both. It'd be weird, like if 1120 00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:30,360 Speaker 2: someone's like, Darius is a country artist or Darius is 1121 00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:32,480 Speaker 2: a rock I'd be like, I could argue both. I'd 1122 00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:35,439 Speaker 2: be like, well, it's not just rock. Well, so let's 1123 00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:38,279 Speaker 2: just say the country timeline part of this. You go 1124 00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:40,040 Speaker 2: into the studio. It wasn't the first thing you cut, 1125 00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:43,520 Speaker 2: do you know, Uh, the first song we cut and 1126 00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,600 Speaker 2: did it feel weird? No, The first song we kind 1127 00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:47,439 Speaker 2: of think was all. 1128 00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,960 Speaker 1: I Want, which is a big, big country song on 1129 00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:53,839 Speaker 1: the on the first record, that Brad Paisley plays guitar 1130 00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:57,800 Speaker 1: on And the second we started cutting that song, I 1131 00:49:57,920 --> 00:49:59,800 Speaker 1: was I knew that was exactly where I wanted to be. 1132 00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:03,200 Speaker 1: Oh goodness yea. And cause you know, I still do 1133 00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:04,640 Speaker 1: it when I get in front of a microphone and 1134 00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:06,919 Speaker 1: it's a country song, I'm just trying to be Radney Foster. 1135 00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:10,120 Speaker 1: I'm trying to sound exactly like him. And so for me, 1136 00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:11,319 Speaker 1: it was just like, let's go do this. 1137 00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:15,960 Speaker 2: Whenever you are. Did you cut a whole album first? 1138 00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:18,360 Speaker 2: They put a couple songs first. We were cutting the. 1139 00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:21,239 Speaker 1: Records yet the record, Yeah, we were cut the record. 1140 00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:23,359 Speaker 2: First single ever was don't Think. 1141 00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:24,120 Speaker 1: I don't think about it. 1142 00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:28,280 Speaker 2: I don't think, I don't think. Was that your choice? 1143 00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:32,560 Speaker 1: No, I don't do singles. I don't I love. If 1144 00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:33,800 Speaker 1: I didn't like the song enough for it to be 1145 00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:35,600 Speaker 1: a single, I wouldn't put on the record. So I 1146 00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:37,840 Speaker 1: don't do radio. You guys know radio. Tell me what 1147 00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:39,960 Speaker 1: you can get on the radio. That's how I do it. 1148 00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:43,200 Speaker 5: Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor. 1149 00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:53,920 Speaker 5: Welcome back to the Bobby Cast. 1150 00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:57,120 Speaker 2: Probably different versions of the story now from many different people, 1151 00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:59,960 Speaker 2: But that song goes out of the single. I'm assuming 1152 00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:03,160 Speaker 2: it wasn't just uniformly added on stations all. 1153 00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:03,719 Speaker 1: No, it was. 1154 00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:05,720 Speaker 2: I'm sure now they act like it was, though. 1155 00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:07,600 Speaker 1: Yeah it was not. I went to one hundred and 1156 00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:08,359 Speaker 1: ten radio stations. 1157 00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:10,239 Speaker 2: You did a radio tour, or did a radio tour one. 1158 00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:12,520 Speaker 1: Hundred and ten radio stations. So it's funny because when 1159 00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:15,000 Speaker 1: I said I would do a radio tour, hey, a 1160 00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:17,480 Speaker 1: capital reacted exactly like you just did. They were like, 1161 00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:18,880 Speaker 1: you do a radio tour. I was like, yeah, I 1162 00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:21,080 Speaker 1: want to be the new guy. All the stuff the 1163 00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:23,120 Speaker 1: new guy has to do, I want to do. And 1164 00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:26,600 Speaker 1: it's it was tough five days a week for months, 1165 00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:30,040 Speaker 1: going to two and three radio stations a day, you know, 1166 00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:33,120 Speaker 1: being away from me young kids at the time, and 1167 00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,320 Speaker 1: but I wanted it. I just wanted to And the 1168 00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:38,200 Speaker 1: only way I was going to have success, I thought, 1169 00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:40,920 Speaker 1: me sitting across from somebody and them getting to know me, 1170 00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:43,239 Speaker 1: I had a better chance of getting to play than 1171 00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:46,400 Speaker 1: somebody somebody doesn't know me, just saying play this record. 1172 00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:47,600 Speaker 1: So we went and did it. 1173 00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:51,919 Speaker 2: When did you start to think this might actually work? 1174 00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:58,040 Speaker 1: Very first radio station, hooting the blowfishes, finishing up our run, 1175 00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:02,600 Speaker 1: and we got to go to to San Antonio the 1176 00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:07,120 Speaker 1: play off corporate show, and so they just decide Capital 1177 00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:09,560 Speaker 1: Size are gonna send me to the to the station 1178 00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:11,920 Speaker 1: in San Antonio. So we're having a meeting about this 1179 00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:14,560 Speaker 1: and Mike Dungan walks into the meeting and he sees 1180 00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:18,040 Speaker 1: on the list that San Antonio is the first stop 1181 00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:22,439 Speaker 1: and he goes off. He's mad at everybody because they're 1182 00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:25,000 Speaker 1: sending me to Texas. You know, Texas is not gonna 1183 00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:26,960 Speaker 1: play him till they have to play him. You know. 1184 00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:28,960 Speaker 1: It's like it's gonna be a bad situation for him, 1185 00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:30,359 Speaker 1: and he's not gonna want to do the radio tour. 1186 00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:32,279 Speaker 1: Why are you sending him there? And they were like, 1187 00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:33,880 Speaker 1: he's already gonna be there, he mustn't go buy. He 1188 00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:36,680 Speaker 1: finally said, Okay, go there. And I go there and 1189 00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:39,480 Speaker 1: George King was the music director. I'll never forget this. 1190 00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:42,400 Speaker 1: We sit down and we have lunch with George and 1191 00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:45,319 Speaker 1: he's really cool and really nice and we tell him, 1192 00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:47,000 Speaker 1: you know, we played the song for him and he 1193 00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:49,480 Speaker 1: falls in love with it. He just falls in love 1194 00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:51,080 Speaker 1: with it. He loves a song. He loved hanging out 1195 00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:53,680 Speaker 1: with me. We were great and he said, uh, I'm 1196 00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:57,400 Speaker 1: gonna add it, which shocked everybody, and we said, well, 1197 00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:00,399 Speaker 1: we're going for a really big ad weekn about two weeks. 1198 00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:02,120 Speaker 1: Can you wait for two weeks? He was like, okay, 1199 00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:04,680 Speaker 1: I'll wait for two weeks. And we get in the 1200 00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:07,560 Speaker 1: car and we're driving away and he plays the song 1201 00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:11,279 Speaker 1: and we call him and go, hey, man, we thought 1202 00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:13,279 Speaker 1: you were going to wait. He's like, nope, I'm man 1203 00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:16,920 Speaker 1: at tomorrow. That's what I knew this song might actually work. 1204 00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:19,080 Speaker 2: Why would you name the book Life too Short? 1205 00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:21,560 Speaker 1: That's one of my songs, and life is too short? 1206 00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:23,759 Speaker 1: I mean it really is. That was another thing reading 1207 00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:27,160 Speaker 1: the book. It seems like a long time, but everything 1208 00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:31,360 Speaker 1: seems like yesterday. Everything that I talked about seems like yesterday, 1209 00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:35,040 Speaker 1: and it's not. And you know, life's just too short. 1210 00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:38,000 Speaker 2: I read a book once at the recommendation of my 1211 00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:40,760 Speaker 2: therapist called I'm Okay, You're Okay, and it's about brain 1212 00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:45,000 Speaker 2: and when you hear music for a split second, it 1213 00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:47,800 Speaker 2: feels like you're in that place, even less than a second, 1214 00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:50,200 Speaker 2: but it's almost like that taste, that feeling just for 1215 00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:53,920 Speaker 2: a yes, very brief, and that's our brain producing the 1216 00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:56,160 Speaker 2: chemical that it happened to produce back then it triggers 1217 00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:58,360 Speaker 2: it by hearing a sound or a smell. And so 1218 00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:00,359 Speaker 2: in the introduction there was a whole thing you wrote 1219 00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:02,759 Speaker 2: about it. You look back at your life into the past, 1220 00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:10,640 Speaker 2: everything together seems blurry, but then you hear something a melody, Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1221 00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:16,600 Speaker 2: So why open with a line like that, Why start 1222 00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:17,880 Speaker 2: the book with that sentiment? 1223 00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:23,359 Speaker 1: Because you know, for me, when we were writing the book, 1224 00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:26,480 Speaker 1: we write the book, music kept coming up. Songs that 1225 00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:28,160 Speaker 1: are important to me kept coming up. And that's why 1226 00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:31,280 Speaker 1: every chapter is the name of a song that mattered 1227 00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:36,280 Speaker 1: to me. And for me, music has been my best friend. 1228 00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:41,440 Speaker 1: Music has been my savior. Music has been the shoulder 1229 00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:44,719 Speaker 1: that I cry on. It's been the you know, the 1230 00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:48,239 Speaker 1: partners stood next to me when I was happy. Music 1231 00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:50,759 Speaker 1: has been so much for me that there was just 1232 00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:51,600 Speaker 1: no other way to do it. 1233 00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:55,040 Speaker 2: I didn't think, and I don't want you to say 1234 00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:56,319 Speaker 2: it here, but is there a song that people are 1235 00:54:56,360 --> 00:55:00,319 Speaker 2: so wrong about what you wrote it about that there like, oh, 1236 00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:02,239 Speaker 2: for sure, I wrote this about his favorite ice cream, 1237 00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:04,239 Speaker 2: but really it's about you know, a lot of times 1238 00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:07,239 Speaker 2: people just won't reveal let them the. 1239 00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:09,200 Speaker 1: Song that I didn't write it but I think the 1240 00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:12,200 Speaker 1: song that most people don't really get is hold My Hand, 1241 00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:15,520 Speaker 1: Hold My Hands, a protest song, and most people think 1242 00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:18,880 Speaker 1: it's just happy, go lucky, come hold my Hand, you know, 1243 00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:22,280 Speaker 1: but it's really a song against the evils of racism 1244 00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:26,160 Speaker 1: and evils of of of just disliking people for you know, 1245 00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:30,040 Speaker 1: because you know algab because their algab eq or you know. 1246 00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:32,319 Speaker 1: It's it's a song about we should all just love 1247 00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:34,959 Speaker 1: each other instead of all this hate. And people don't 1248 00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:37,200 Speaker 1: get that, and they just think it's some pop fluff fluff, 1249 00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:39,600 Speaker 1: but be really listen to the words, so they read 1250 00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:40,440 Speaker 1: a pretty good song there. 1251 00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:43,600 Speaker 2: When I was a kid, I get just a few 1252 00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:45,600 Speaker 2: minutes left, and I have a couple of stories that 1253 00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:47,080 Speaker 2: I think about when I think about you, because I 1254 00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:49,960 Speaker 2: think about you every night, just in different just in 1255 00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:50,440 Speaker 2: a different way. 1256 00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:51,520 Speaker 1: We're dating. 1257 00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:53,640 Speaker 2: When I used to there were songs that I was 1258 00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:55,080 Speaker 2: a kid that was like, oh, it's the deepest thing 1259 00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:57,479 Speaker 2: I ever heard, you know, And as you get older, 1260 00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:03,920 Speaker 2: you hear them different. But time, why do you punish me? 1261 00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:05,400 Speaker 2: Like I used to listen to that song and be like, 1262 00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:11,759 Speaker 2: this is the greatest, most encompassing song ever. And I 1263 00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:13,680 Speaker 2: still hear to fill the set. It's one of those 1264 00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:15,960 Speaker 2: rare ones that even as I got older in my mind, 1265 00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:17,960 Speaker 2: I still hear that song back because I still listen 1266 00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:21,239 Speaker 2: to I got my wife on cractor because she's nice. Yeah, 1267 00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:23,840 Speaker 2: and she was like, my wife loves you, and she 1268 00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:26,120 Speaker 2: was like, I don't know any of the old Darius stuff. 1269 00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:27,800 Speaker 2: And I'm like, you referred to them a Hoody and 1270 00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:30,640 Speaker 2: the low Fish. They are a unit. 1271 00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:34,400 Speaker 1: We are that we are, we're the band's band and so. 1272 00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:35,960 Speaker 2: But we would get on some stuff and I would 1273 00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:37,480 Speaker 2: hear time again and I'd be like, dang, this song 1274 00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:38,160 Speaker 2: still holds up. 1275 00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:40,600 Speaker 1: It does? I play it every day and then when 1276 00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:42,839 Speaker 1: Hoody plays it or like it comes on the radio 1277 00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:46,840 Speaker 1: or something, that song is another song, you know, you know, 1278 00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:50,560 Speaker 1: here's here's this little band from South Carolina, this little 1279 00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:52,600 Speaker 1: pop band from South Carolina. It was singing about the 1280 00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:54,800 Speaker 1: crips and blood feud, you know what what what is? 1281 00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:55,800 Speaker 1: What is this? You know? 1282 00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:58,560 Speaker 2: Dying for the color of yeah. 1283 00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:01,440 Speaker 1: You know, and it was just everything. That's the song 1284 00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:04,200 Speaker 1: that accomplasses everything that was going on in the news 1285 00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:06,400 Speaker 1: at the time. A lot of life was just a 1286 00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:08,719 Speaker 1: little crazy and time. That's one of my favorite songs 1287 00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:09,239 Speaker 1: I've ever done. 1288 00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:11,800 Speaker 2: I love that song, burnt that tape out and my 1289 00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:15,600 Speaker 2: two favorite stories that I have with you at number 1290 00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:19,120 Speaker 2: at number two, Uh, there was a song that I 1291 00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:25,120 Speaker 2: listened to. It never was a single and ban yeah, 1292 00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:28,520 Speaker 2: and so while look at Gift to Us in the Mouth, 1293 00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:31,200 Speaker 2: you know, I love set. I would listen to that 1294 00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:32,840 Speaker 2: song every day. And I remember you and I were 1295 00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:37,040 Speaker 2: at Andy Roddick's charity event and we'd been you always 1296 00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:38,520 Speaker 2: have it seems like you have golf on somewhey. We 1297 00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:40,400 Speaker 2: were up in a room and there was golf on, 1298 00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:43,840 Speaker 2: and I was like, dude, that was my song, and 1299 00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:45,760 Speaker 2: you got you got the band to learn it and 1300 00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:47,360 Speaker 2: you played it that night at any of the event. 1301 00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:49,000 Speaker 2: You're like, I haven't played the song of forever. But 1302 00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:52,560 Speaker 2: like that moment, that was like a really like special 1303 00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:54,760 Speaker 2: moment for me because I'd always loved that song. I 1304 00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:57,160 Speaker 2: never heard that song. I just mentioned you. I loved 1305 00:57:57,640 --> 00:57:59,120 Speaker 2: you got that you worked it up and then you 1306 00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:02,080 Speaker 2: played it and I was like, man, like, I feel 1307 00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:05,800 Speaker 2: like there's like he kind of values a little bit 1308 00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:06,560 Speaker 2: of our friendship. 1309 00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:08,080 Speaker 1: Oh I do, I do? 1310 00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:10,680 Speaker 2: All of that was so that still is really really 1311 00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:11,280 Speaker 2: special to me. 1312 00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:14,120 Speaker 1: I value our friendship a lot. You came into this 1313 00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:17,880 Speaker 1: genre and freaking took over. I'm gonna say this as 1314 00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:19,880 Speaker 1: honest as I could say it. You know, I was 1315 00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:22,080 Speaker 1: your first interview when when I was his first interview 1316 00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:26,920 Speaker 1: at seventeen, and I'm so proud of what you're doing 1317 00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:28,800 Speaker 1: and it's got nothing to do with me. And I 1318 00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:30,919 Speaker 1: am so proud of what you're doing because not only 1319 00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:34,960 Speaker 1: are you blowing up and taking over, taking over you know, 1320 00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:38,080 Speaker 1: morning radio, you're also you give back so much. You 1321 00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:40,440 Speaker 1: do so much. Then you also do you know, your 1322 00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:43,080 Speaker 1: band shows and all that stuff, and I've seen I 1323 00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:45,080 Speaker 1: just think, man, I'm proud of Bobby Boom. 1324 00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:47,800 Speaker 2: I appreciate that, and like you've always been the guy 1325 00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:50,440 Speaker 2: that I felt like even though I didn't know you. 1326 00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:52,120 Speaker 2: But yeah, you're right. First interview ever day, that's my 1327 00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:54,680 Speaker 2: number one story. And we've told it a bunch, but 1328 00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:59,720 Speaker 2: I was scared to death and first interview I ever 1329 00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:01,560 Speaker 2: did at an hour just remember shaking, and you had 1330 00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:03,240 Speaker 2: done ten thousand. But you don't. You don't give a crap, 1331 00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:05,720 Speaker 2: none of you guys. When you do something so many times, 1332 00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:08,400 Speaker 2: it just becomes you're just going in to do it, 1333 00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:11,080 Speaker 2: get it over with, go through sound check, get to 1334 00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:13,520 Speaker 2: the show, and I remember just being so nervous and 1335 00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:15,080 Speaker 2: you were just like, yo, I got you. He's like 1336 00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:18,280 Speaker 2: took the microphone and you would never remember this, but 1337 00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:21,320 Speaker 2: I remember it so vividly that it like it's still 1338 00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:26,440 Speaker 2: a like that still affects me to like if somebody's 1339 00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:29,800 Speaker 2: like struggling a little bit and I like, yeah, I 1340 00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:32,000 Speaker 2: may not remember it because it's not maybe not that 1341 00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:34,200 Speaker 2: important to me, but the fact that you did that 1342 00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:36,320 Speaker 2: to me, I remember that, like you remember Al Green. 1343 00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:40,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know. It's funny, like you said, when somebody 1344 00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:42,760 Speaker 1: when you're struggling a little bit and somebody goes out 1345 00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:46,320 Speaker 1: of their way to help you, you always remember that. Always. Always. 1346 00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:50,919 Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm massive fan, but aside from a fan, 1347 00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:53,640 Speaker 2: like I feel like if I was like, yo, dude, 1348 00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:56,600 Speaker 2: I need ten thousand dollars, I'm not even kidding, I 1349 00:59:56,600 --> 01:00:00,480 Speaker 2: feel like you would be like yeah, and or I 1350 01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:03,320 Speaker 2: just whatever it is, Like I do feel I could 1351 01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:04,880 Speaker 2: call you at any time, even if we don't talk 1352 01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:05,640 Speaker 2: for a couple of months. 1353 01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:08,280 Speaker 1: Yeah. We we've become those kinds of we've become those 1354 01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:09,760 Speaker 1: friends though we don't have to talk for a couple 1355 01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:10,920 Speaker 1: of months and put us in the room. It's like 1356 01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:12,120 Speaker 1: we saw euch of yesterday. 1357 01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:13,480 Speaker 2: I love you, man, I love you too. 1358 01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:13,720 Speaker 1: Man. 1359 01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:16,600 Speaker 2: I'm super pumped about the book, which again I'm heard 1360 01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:17,560 Speaker 2: I haven't read nobody give to. 1361 01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:19,960 Speaker 1: Me to you and your email today. 1362 01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:24,160 Speaker 2: The book is out. It is called Life's Too Short, 1363 01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:28,280 Speaker 2: a memoir by Darius Rutger. And the fact that you 1364 01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:31,520 Speaker 2: also read the book that signifies the extra you didn't 1365 01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:33,600 Speaker 2: have to read your own book. I did too. It's hard, 1366 01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:35,919 Speaker 2: but a lot of freaks, a lot of work, dude, 1367 01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:37,960 Speaker 2: it's a lot of somebody's on the line going can 1368 01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:40,440 Speaker 2: you say the word are again? And I'm like, it's 1369 01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:41,920 Speaker 2: how I say it. I'm not going to change how 1370 01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:42,280 Speaker 2: I'm saying it. 1371 01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:44,120 Speaker 1: That's what happened to me too, because I'm so Southern 1372 01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:46,200 Speaker 1: and they're trying to get me to say words like peripheral. 1373 01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:51,240 Speaker 1: Come on, man, we don't. 1374 01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:55,720 Speaker 2: Say that word. Get the book. Are you guys doing 1375 01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:56,800 Speaker 2: any more hooty stuff. 1376 01:00:58,080 --> 01:00:58,760 Speaker 1: All summer? You are? 1377 01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:00,560 Speaker 2: I've never seen a hoot of the b dude show. 1378 01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:02,240 Speaker 1: We're playing Bridgestone this summer. 1379 01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:04,080 Speaker 2: If you don't come, I should come to for sure. 1380 01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:06,320 Speaker 1: If you don't come and meet everybody and come backstage, 1381 01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:07,200 Speaker 1: I will be very angry. 1382 01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:12,720 Speaker 2: I've met Mark once, I met Sony's brother once. 1383 01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:15,240 Speaker 1: As far as you gotta come backstage take a picture 1384 01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:15,520 Speaker 1: of us. 1385 01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:17,919 Speaker 2: That's exciting, all right, Darius Rutger, Yeah, I get the book. 1386 01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:19,520 Speaker 2: Life's too short, Darius, appreciate your time, man. 1387 01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:24,200 Speaker 4: Thank you man, thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production.