Speaker 1: Welcome back to Behind the Bastards, the podcast that I
Speaker 1: just tried to introduce badly. Uh, and I then completely
Speaker 1: forgot to start recording. Um. So I'm I'm I'm great. Uh,
Speaker 1: I'm so good. Uh do we do we have a guest?
Speaker 1: What's the name of the show? What's happening? I don't know, Sophie,
Speaker 1: do we have a guest? Who? Who are we? What
Speaker 1: do we do? Where are which is Behind the Bastards?
Speaker 1: You're Robert Evans, I'm your I'm your overlord, Sophie Lichtman,
Speaker 1: And our guest is Ian Johnson, our wonderful Hi. I hey, Sophie,
Speaker 1: Ian Johnson, incredible editor, Sophie podcast and furor. Um, I've
Speaker 1: done that and it's cringe every time. The last note
Speaker 1: will not. Um. Well, you know we're talking about Andrew
Speaker 1: em Marie Tate. Uh and boy, howdye m are we
Speaker 1: talking about Andrew Marie Tate. We just finished talking about
Speaker 1: Hustlers University. Uh. And we're about to get into Hustlers
Speaker 1: University two point oh, because Andrew understands branding if nothing else.
Speaker 1: But before we get into that, I wanted to talk
Speaker 1: a little bit. So obviously, while this is going on
Speaker 1: while he's launching this series of online classes and deliberately
Speaker 1: courting controversy online by saying like funked up shit about
Speaker 1: women to go viral. He's also constantly guesting on every
Speaker 1: right wing podcast that will have him. Um and because
Speaker 1: of the world is the way it is, info Wars
Speaker 1: is the first place he's able to like really get
Speaker 1: some traction, and he's going to abandon them as soon
Speaker 1: as he can, like everybody who gets their start out
Speaker 1: info Wars, because it's a dead end. You want to
Speaker 1: you want to escape Info Wars and get on. He's
Speaker 1: going to eventually be interviewed by like fucking Pierce Morgan
Speaker 1: and ship um, but at first he he's reliant upon them.
Speaker 1: And Alex Jones sees the potential in this guy and decides,
Speaker 1: I want to try and make Andrew a part of
Speaker 1: my business, which is the thing that that Alex does regularly.
Speaker 1: And it leads us to this beautiful ad for the
Speaker 1: supplement line that Alex made branded based on Andrew Tate. Um.
Speaker 1: So here's an ad for Andrew Tate branded Info Wars supplements.
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Speaker 1: for everyone to get a job, the man to get
Speaker 1: a job. They inflate the currency so nobody can exist
Speaker 1: in any other way because it's too expensive. The parents
Speaker 1: are not working all day to school and the Internet
Speaker 1: and the matrix raise your children. Your children go to
Speaker 1: school all day and be told things that you may
Speaker 1: not want them to learn. Then they sit on the
Speaker 1: Internet and read things and watch things you may not
Speaker 1: want them to watch. You talked to him for ten minutes.
Speaker 1: At the end of the day, they go to bed.
Speaker 1: You're fighting with your ten minutes against endless hours of
Speaker 1: the most entertaining programming or the most forceful programming, And
Speaker 1: school is forceful on the Internet's entertaining, convincing them of
Speaker 1: ideas that you perhaps don't agree with. I've seen it
Speaker 1: myself on YouTube. I've seen a guy in America driving
Speaker 1: his car and his kids were in the back seat
Speaker 1: and he was our with them an issue and they
Speaker 1: was like, where did you hear that? School? He's like,
Speaker 1: why did the school tell you that that's not true?
Speaker 1: And his own children are arguing with him because they
Speaker 1: learned to in school. Have you ever tried to take
Speaker 1: your children out of school? You'll get fined, You get
Speaker 1: in trouble. Now your kids have to go to school.
Speaker 1: You have to give your kids away to the school.
Speaker 1: If you don't give your kids a way to the brainwashing,
Speaker 1: you'll get in trouble. As an all starfighter, businessman, motivational speaking,
Speaker 1: it is it is like here we go. This is
Speaker 1: so fin I thought andrew something up. No, just leading
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Speaker 1: and like divorce dad fearmongering. It's perfect, It's perfect. And
Speaker 1: then we get Alex let's go. Speaker and philanthropist Andrew
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Speaker 1: think there's a whole bunch of men in the world
Speaker 1: who understands my value. And if men grow up to
Speaker 1: be like me, you're gonna have a whole bunch of
Speaker 1: people with no criminal record, dedicated athletes. Alright, that's probably enough.
Speaker 1: No criminal record, Buddy scares in that video, So first amazing,
Speaker 1: it's it's lawlessly third of Jake Paul's face. Yeah, did
Speaker 1: you see the names of the supplements on the Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's let's go through that. That's probably that's that's probably
Speaker 1: it was. They were like those names from that Like
Speaker 1: other video we watched in the last episode was like
Speaker 1: sheer per per. I don't even know those words, like
Speaker 1: sheer perdacity or perspicacity. Yeah, perspicacity, those are like the
Speaker 1: names of the supplements. And because he's trying to do
Speaker 1: like a Mohammed Ali thing, right, Like Mohammed Ali would
Speaker 1: always describe himself and he's very florid off in like
Speaker 1: rhyming terms. But Mohammed Ali also uh could back up
Speaker 1: every single thing he said about himself, um, which which
Speaker 1: Mr Tate cannot um. But it also doesn't matter because
Speaker 1: it's all about it's all about making making the image work.
Speaker 1: So one Andrew Tate's image is working very well. He
Speaker 1: has become one of the most popular accounts on Twitter,
Speaker 1: on Instagram, am, He's got a pretty prominent YouTube. He
Speaker 1: is huge on TikTok. You know, we're talking like millions
Speaker 1: and millions of followers and combine several billion impressions just
Speaker 1: in like the top g term on TikTok and ship um.
Speaker 1: And so he launches Hustlers University two point oh. So
Speaker 1: he had been selling a bunch of different classes. He
Speaker 1: pairs that down and he focuses just on money making schemes.
Speaker 1: And the gist is this for about fifty dollars a month,
Speaker 1: you get the classes for free. Um and you also
Speaker 1: get let into this discordse Sorry, for fifty dollars a month,
Speaker 1: you get the classes for free, so um um. But
Speaker 1: what about the fifty dollars a month? Well, sorry, you
Speaker 1: don't get the classes for free. For fifty dollars a month,
Speaker 1: you get access to the classes and to a series
Speaker 1: of Discord rooms. Discord is like a chat service you
Speaker 1: can do voice and text chat um. And basically what
Speaker 1: he's what he is selling is I built this community
Speaker 1: of people who have gotten rich using my tactics, and
Speaker 1: if you pay this monthly fee, then you'll get to
Speaker 1: hang out with us and they will coach you on
Speaker 1: how to make money and you can watch all of
Speaker 1: our videos on how to make money too. And he
Speaker 1: damn it, that's like kind of brilliant on two levels.
Speaker 1: And I hate it for it because a subscription model
Speaker 1: is just passive income coming in every month as long
Speaker 1: as you can maintain that subscriber base. And now he
Speaker 1: has other people doing the work for him. He has
Speaker 1: comity doing the teachings, he doesn't even have to do
Speaker 1: an actual and the schemes that he's because he has
Speaker 1: like you get to pick like one of three or
Speaker 1: four different money making paths to go down when you
Speaker 1: join Hustlers University. It's a little like a video games
Speaker 1: but and they're all kind of boring. Basically, you can
Speaker 1: choose to either learn how to day trade like do
Speaker 1: stock trading, or learn how to sell cryptocurrency, or learn
Speaker 1: how to run like a copyrighting mill where you're basically
Speaker 1: paying people pennies to write like terrible, shitty fake books
Speaker 1: to take advantage of Amazon's algorithm and trick people into
Speaker 1: paying like two dollars for um. There's also a lot
Speaker 1: the Amazon affiliate ship. A bunch of it involves taking
Speaker 1: advantage of like the ways that Amazon works. Um. And
Speaker 1: it's one of those things if you watch YouTube and
Speaker 1: you don't have YouTube read or whatever the funk YouTube
Speaker 1: calls their subscription service, which I don't because I'm lazy. Um,
Speaker 1: you get all these like shady ads from people telling you, like,
Speaker 1: I'm going to teach you how to make a bunch
Speaker 1: of money off of YouTube or off of Amazon, Like
Speaker 1: did you know that you could get rich, you know,
Speaker 1: creating Amazon affiliate links or with Audible or whatever. That's
Speaker 1: all he's doing. But instead of selling it as like
Speaker 1: the shady video just on how to make money using Amazon,
Speaker 1: he's giving you access to this community of of distinguished
Speaker 1: men who all smoke cigars and post pictures of how
Speaker 1: much money they're making. Um. And because all these other guys, again,
Speaker 1: it's it's taking a lot of these MLM tactics where
Speaker 1: you're surrounding yourselves in this community of other men who
Speaker 1: are going to be bragging constantly that they're making money.
Speaker 1: So you feel like, if I'm not making money, it's
Speaker 1: not because this video is bullshit, it's because is I'm
Speaker 1: not hustling hard enough, I'm not taking advantage of all
Speaker 1: of the great advice that I've gotten. Um, it's it's
Speaker 1: it's a pretty clever thing to do. Um. And he
Speaker 1: does encourages people like post your sales, post which you're
Speaker 1: making this month, and all of that's kind of gamed
Speaker 1: and and a lot of it's very scammy in the
Speaker 1: same way that like a lot of MLM stuff is
Speaker 1: where it's like, yeah, just post your raw sales, don't
Speaker 1: tell people what your netta is, don't tell people how
Speaker 1: much money you had to put into the business to
Speaker 1: make it work. All that good stuff and take again
Speaker 1: is barely present on the actual Hustlers University discord. But
Speaker 1: what he does do is when he launches this new
Speaker 1: version of the service, he spins up his media appearances
Speaker 1: and like all these different right wing podcasts and hustler
Speaker 1: culture podcasts to push the push the store, and he
Speaker 1: He also alters his branding at this point. Earlier he'd
Speaker 1: kind of been indistinguishable from he'd been kind of at
Speaker 1: the nexus of pickup artist and all right political weirdo,
Speaker 1: but he increasingly pivots to positioning himself as kind of
Speaker 1: like at jacked Rich Jordan Peterson, Um, and I want
Speaker 1: to play you a video that gives you an example
Speaker 1: of that. Let's quickly talk about like the red pill
Speaker 1: to day game guys, and this is why they're wrong,
Speaker 1: and this is what they don't understand. Listen to me,
Speaker 1: and I'll teach you how to get girls on Tinder,
Speaker 1: and I'll teach you how to go out and get
Speaker 1: girls at the mall day. If you are walking around
Speaker 1: the mall all day or you're tendering all day, you
Speaker 1: are giving out attention and you're giving out more than
Speaker 1: you'll ever get back. Because you're a man, You're giving
Speaker 1: attention out and you don't get enough back. So that's
Speaker 1: an energy decacit and zaps you love your powers before
Speaker 1: you know where you're gonna end up one of them
Speaker 1: little red pill doors. Sitting there with the madness. You're
Speaker 1: on an alpha bro. You're five ft seven, You're not
Speaker 1: fucking alpha. How are you an alpha and you're like
Speaker 1: five ft alpha of wall walk into a fucking rude
Speaker 1: basketball players multimillionaire six foot five and talking about how
Speaker 1: alpha you are because of your YouTube chat. Fucking these guys,
Speaker 1: even a dream. Alpha has always for the longest period
Speaker 1: of human I meant capability for violence. That's what alpha
Speaker 1: has always meant. Apex predator, a little short dude, Lulu Foo.
Speaker 1: All right, well of course you are. Let's let's just
Speaker 1: let's not even let's meet, and let's not even talk.
Speaker 1: Let's meet and let's just measure our heights. Let's take
Speaker 1: a picture side by side of me and you, and
Speaker 1: let's talk about how alpha you are afterwards. Doors So
Speaker 1: they're giving out energy, they don't get energy back. The
Speaker 1: correct way to get pussy like I have is to
Speaker 1: absorb the energy from everyone in the room and then
Speaker 1: expel it in a fireball, a lightning strike of power
Speaker 1: and prowess. So all the bitches what a fuck you?
Speaker 1: And they pray You come and say hello. That's how
Speaker 1: you get bitches. You don't go and beg them and
Speaker 1: give energy a way, No, you steal the energy from
Speaker 1: every other male and then you expel it in a
Speaker 1: ball of fucking lightning. What's happening? Find him? Sounds like
Speaker 1: he's been watching a lot of dragons, Like what the
Speaker 1: hell is he talking behind someone's cleaning his house? But
Speaker 1: why is she so close to him? Because he likes
Speaker 1: to show you that, like that's a big part of
Speaker 1: his He does this in all of his like a
Speaker 1: lot of his videos. He'll make sure that like his
Speaker 1: cleaning lady or one of his cam girls is like
Speaker 1: doing a task behind him to like make the point
Speaker 1: that he's got all these women working for him, right,
Speaker 1: Like that's that's a huge part of the tape, myth um.
Speaker 1: But what he's doing here in this video is interesting
Speaker 1: to me. He's he's deliberately he's he's he's positioning himself
Speaker 1: as the opposite of both these whiny men's rights activist
Speaker 1: guys and of the standard pickup artist crew. And he's
Speaker 1: all this talk about height, let's talk about alpha's. He
Speaker 1: is playing two in cells because like he knows that
Speaker 1: very young men, mostly in their late teens, who are
Speaker 1: like angry about the fact that girls don't like them
Speaker 1: and angry about the fact that like they're they're they
Speaker 1: don't have all of the money and success. They think
Speaker 1: that they're owed that like that's his that's his business, right,
Speaker 1: that's his fucking bread and butter um. And is he
Speaker 1: why is he choosing to like alienate all the short
Speaker 1: people He's He's not, He's not. This is actually a
Speaker 1: two part con And what he's what he's doing here
Speaker 1: is he's getting them. So I was gonna say, it's
Speaker 1: like kind of sounds like he's like dunking on exactly
Speaker 1: who he like is targeting. But I think it's probably
Speaker 1: like a little reverse. He is doing, yes, some some
Speaker 1: negging and stuff right to get the to get these
Speaker 1: guys riled up. But he's also so if you remember
Speaker 1: back if I don't know if any of you read
Speaker 1: Elliott Rogers manifesto Elliott Roger being the first in cell
Speaker 1: mash shooter. Um, he he talks a lot, and he,
Speaker 1: like the entire in cell community was formed initially as
Speaker 1: a reaction to pick up artistry. Right, all of these
Speaker 1: guys who uh feel like there's something inherently wrong with
Speaker 1: their bodies that makes it impossible for them to pick
Speaker 1: up women and in an unfair way, or that feminism
Speaker 1: has ruined it Roger was obsessed that because he wasn't
Speaker 1: like tall enough or white enough, right, that he was
Speaker 1: never going to to to get a girl. Um. They
Speaker 1: shelly when they were like younger, fell into pickup artistry
Speaker 1: and when that didn't work because none of it works
Speaker 1: very well, Uh, they became violent, psychopath Like they became violent, right,
Speaker 1: Like they just they decided like not only was the
Speaker 1: like pickup artistry a con but all of society deserved
Speaker 1: to pay for the fact that they got conned by
Speaker 1: pickup artists. Andrew recognizes this, and so the first thing
Speaker 1: he's doing is he is going after the pickup artists, right,
Speaker 1: and he's going after it in a way that's going
Speaker 1: to get all these in cel dudes like agitated, but
Speaker 1: is also going to play to the fact that they
Speaker 1: realize they're being conned by these people. Um, and I
Speaker 1: think that's an interesting choice. And the other thing that
Speaker 1: he's doing, he starts by talking about how like you're
Speaker 1: not alpha if you're not tall enough, right that all,
Speaker 1: but but he's also framing it as like these pickup
Speaker 1: artists aren't real alpha's because they're not they're not big.
Speaker 1: And it sounds at first like he's kind of going
Speaker 1: into this, it's hopeless. If you're not tall, you'll never
Speaker 1: get a woman. That's actually not the claim that he's making.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna you another clip that's kind of an extension
Speaker 1: of his message that shows how he's talking to these
Speaker 1: in cell folks after he gets through with the kind
Speaker 1: of slamming the uh uh slamming the pickup artist crew,
Speaker 1: and the message that he has for the actual people
Speaker 1: being taken advantage of by the pickup artist community is
Speaker 1: kind of liberatory in a weird way. Now, I am
Speaker 1: genetic gifts. I understand you do not have, but I've
Speaker 1: I've also worked on my genetic so I didn't just
Speaker 1: have them. You know, I worked. But even if you
Speaker 1: if you did the work I did, you'd still be
Speaker 1: taught one percent even without the genetics, because you have
Speaker 1: no idea how hard I've worked. But the point is,
Speaker 1: if I teach you how to absorb energy from everyone
Speaker 1: else around you, then you instantly become the most powerful
Speaker 1: person in the room. So there's not only so much
Speaker 1: about being big and being strong and having a lamb
Speaker 1: boksbout absorbing energy and attention. So you people do not
Speaker 1: understand and not inn percent of the things people teach you.
Speaker 1: They teach you how to expel energy. You can expel
Speaker 1: and lose huge amounts of energy, chasing bitches and trying
Speaker 1: to make money you don't get enough back, whereas if
Speaker 1: you can flip the script, then the whole world changes.
Speaker 1: This is what you need to understand, so that there
Speaker 1: He's insufferable, is it? But that's this is worth really
Speaker 1: drilling into and paying attention to, because this is an
Speaker 1: extremely appealing message to the kind of young men who
Speaker 1: are like on the edge of where Elliott Roger was right,
Speaker 1: these children and are these guys they're they're starting out
Speaker 1: in the world. Mostly we're talking young white teenagers or
Speaker 1: not though not exclusively, but like men, and it's it's
Speaker 1: hard out there. Obviously, it is still easier to be
Speaker 1: a man or a white man, it is to be
Speaker 1: basically anything else, but it's not as as much easier
Speaker 1: as it used to write. And some of that's because
Speaker 1: things are less unfair than they used to be in
Speaker 1: some regards, and some of it's just because the economy
Speaker 1: has gotten worse. The world has gotten harder. A number
Speaker 1: of things, there's a lot of ships gotten uglier. Capitalism
Speaker 1: has kind of gotten more undeniably brutal, even to the
Speaker 1: chunk of people who were initially being uh lifted up
Speaker 1: by it. Um. And so these kids get out there
Speaker 1: and ship's not as easy. They're not getting handed the
Speaker 1: things that they're supposed to get handed, and a lot
Speaker 1: of them turn nihilistic. And the radical right has always
Speaker 1: targeted men in this age group and socioeconomic group um.
Speaker 1: And these are again young people who recognize and some
Speaker 1: of what they're recognizing, like with Robert Blig's folks, is fair.
Speaker 1: There's a degree a lot of atomization in our society.
Speaker 1: It is not encouraged for men to have like intimate
Speaker 1: friendships with other men. It's deeply lonely. Um, it's deeply
Speaker 1: competitive in a way that's really vicious. And these people
Speaker 1: are suffering, and the Right always has has made a
Speaker 1: lot of their early recruitments by kind of coming in
Speaker 1: and finding these men, trying to make sense of their
Speaker 1: suffering and offering them an answer. Um. But while the
Speaker 1: kind of in cell youth culture that has been deeply
Speaker 1: influential online is super nihilistic, Tate is reaching out to
Speaker 1: these people, and he's preaching to these awkward nerdy kids
Speaker 1: with social anxiety, but he's offering them a sense of
Speaker 1: hope where he's like, yeah, you're not gonna be like
Speaker 1: me because you're not six three, if you're like five seven,
Speaker 1: But if you put in the work I've put in,
Speaker 1: you can still be in that top one per cent. Right.
Speaker 1: It's about taking an absorbing energy, and I have these tactics.
Speaker 1: Your genetics are not the only thing that matters. Right,
Speaker 1: You can actually overcome that with enough work, um and
Speaker 1: find a way to to to make money and get
Speaker 1: you know, women, right, Like that is actually the pitch
Speaker 1: that he's making, And for the people who are kind
Speaker 1: of adjacent to these in cell communities, that's a more
Speaker 1: optimistic pitch than they've been getting from a lot of people. Again,
Speaker 1: if you spend a lot of time on some of
Speaker 1: these in cell boards, it's dudes obsessing with like oh,
Speaker 1: because of the my chin is only this wide and
Speaker 1: not this wide, so it's physically impossible for a woman
Speaker 1: to love me, or like I have this like epicantic
Speaker 1: I fold or whatever, Like my my nose is this
Speaker 1: size and so I will never have sex, and like
Speaker 1: the is a biological reality, and what Tate's actually saying
Speaker 1: is the people telling you this are full of ship.
Speaker 1: But also like, um, I have a tactic for how
Speaker 1: you can and it just involves hard work. It doesn't
Speaker 1: matter that you don't have these genetic gifts. You actually
Speaker 1: can overcome that. And this is when you start talking
Speaker 1: about Tate on any kind of open forum, right, you're
Speaker 1: gonna get people coming in and saying some version of
Speaker 1: He's the only reason I'm alive. He kept me from
Speaker 1: killing myself for like I think he's he's talking And
Speaker 1: this is because as toxic as he is, finding Andrew Tate,
Speaker 1: if you are one of these young men who might
Speaker 1: have gone Elliott Roger might be better for you than
Speaker 1: like falling down the rabbit hole you would have fallen
Speaker 1: down before him. That's not an necessarily an an accurate statement.
Speaker 1: He tricks them into having hope. Yeah, exactly. And again
Speaker 1: the point I'm making here, I am not saying that
Speaker 1: he is a net good. He's absolutely not. But when
Speaker 1: people people who are specifically look like we're kind of
Speaker 1: in danger of falling into this in cell rabbit hole,
Speaker 1: if they find Tate, that might be better for them
Speaker 1: than the road they would have gone down. Now that's
Speaker 1: a small subset of the folks who are actually encountering
Speaker 1: his stuff. But when people make that point, it's not
Speaker 1: there's not nothing there but and it's not because take
Speaker 1: cares about saving kids. It's because this is how to
Speaker 1: get money from them, right exactly. And it just speaks
Speaker 1: to again how exploited of the whole thing is, because
Speaker 1: you're already you're going after these people who are already
Speaker 1: very clearly vulnerable and at a low point, and you're
Speaker 1: just praying on that and taking advantage of it. And
Speaker 1: it's just like, yeah, it's just disgusting. It's all disgusting.
Speaker 1: But I also think it's really worth understanding the degree
Speaker 1: to which he understands the online ecosystem he's feeding in, right,
Speaker 1: And that's why them that, you know, their greatest insecurities
Speaker 1: don't matter as long as they're you know, they try
Speaker 1: to be like him and be to man. Yeah, be
Speaker 1: a top g yeah. Um. One of one of his
Speaker 1: big lines is you don't have to be handsome if
Speaker 1: you're scary, which by which he means that like ugly
Speaker 1: dudes can get women if they're jacked, um, which is
Speaker 1: again that's very bad. Although you could argue it's better
Speaker 1: than you should drive a car into a crowd because
Speaker 1: you'll never find love. Right, So this is why people
Speaker 1: make that argument. It's not It doesn't mean that he's
Speaker 1: a net force for good because spoiler, he is not.
Speaker 1: He's a terrible person and his overall impact is a
Speaker 1: ton of harm. But on this specific community, there is
Speaker 1: an argument to be made, and that's where that argument
Speaker 1: comes from. Right. Um. Yeah, And again the idea that like,
Speaker 1: he shouldn't be deplatformed because he's going to save all
Speaker 1: these in cells is nonsense. Um, it's just not coming
Speaker 1: out of nowhere, right, because that is where his money
Speaker 1: comes from. Right, That's the the group of people he's
Speaker 1: decided to take advantage of. And I do think in
Speaker 1: the long run he might wind up having just as
Speaker 1: much of a negative effect on these kids as to
Speaker 1: pick up artists had on Elliott Roger. It just hasn't
Speaker 1: been going on that on because eventually they're going to
Speaker 1: see none of what he says works. Right, Like, in
Speaker 1: the long run, it's not going to work. It's just
Speaker 1: in the short term less nihilistic than drive your car
Speaker 1: into a crowd, although it might still end in the
Speaker 1: same place. But you know who won't tell kids two
Speaker 1: oh boys. So if he just rolled ads, ah, we
Speaker 1: are back. So Tate is kind of where while a
Speaker 1: lot of his pitch is laser targeted at young men
Speaker 1: going down that specific in cell rabbit hole, once he
Speaker 1: kind of captures that demographic again, he's he's an innovator.
Speaker 1: He starts to broaden his appeal as fast as he
Speaker 1: can because he wants to reach as many vulnerable young
Speaker 1: men as he possibly can. And he's he is a
Speaker 1: cognizant person of the time that he's in. He's he
Speaker 1: recognizes there's a lot of movement and there's a lot
Speaker 1: of cultural momentum behind certain left wing ideas, including criticisms
Speaker 1: with capitalism. I actually think people don't recognize enough how
Speaker 1: superficially critical of capitalism Andrew tatas and how much of
Speaker 1: his appeal comes from that. And to kind of exhibit that,
Speaker 1: I want to play a clip from him on the
Speaker 1: Fresh and Fit podcast, which he is sitting in between
Speaker 1: like seven or eight women who look like they're all
Speaker 1: Instagram kind of done up in influencer type people. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's bullshit, that's slave mind garbage, feminist racist garbage. Crap
Speaker 1: that's been putting in your brain that you need to resist.
Speaker 1: Absolutely nothing to do with Eurocentrists. It's bullshit, it's garbage facts.
Speaker 1: You need to resist that kind of ship. I'm telling
Speaker 1: you the problems with the world today are very, very specific,
Speaker 1: and I state this without patronizing you. I don't want
Speaker 1: to patronize you. I'm an old man, I've been around
Speaker 1: the block. The problems in the world today exist because
Speaker 1: the people who are in charge of the world have
Speaker 1: done a very very clever thing. They've specifically designed the
Speaker 1: world in which a way that the people at the bottom,
Speaker 1: because we're all at the bottom, even me with all
Speaker 1: my millions, right, the people at the bottom are so
Speaker 1: busy fighting with each other that we never look up
Speaker 1: and realize we're getting fucked. And the reason and the
Speaker 1: reason they do that the blacks hate the whites, Republicans
Speaker 1: take the Democrats, the men hate the women. Eurocentric He
Speaker 1: said this, you don't have pay gop blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: It's all slave mind ship to keep us all fighting
Speaker 1: amongst each other. Do you think when a billionaire who's
Speaker 1: black meets a billionaire who's white, they talk about race? No, No,
Speaker 1: you think they can think a white do you think
Speaker 1: a female billionaire and a male billionaire meat, they start
Speaker 1: talking about euro centric ism, feminist fucking garbage. No, stop
Speaker 1: buying into that ship. It's a fucking trick. It's a
Speaker 1: fucking lie, all of it. Throw it away, Throw it
Speaker 1: the funk away. If you want to be attractive as
Speaker 1: a female, you know what you need to do. You
Speaker 1: need to go to the fucking jim just because just
Speaker 1: because Myron said it, just because Myron said it. You
Speaker 1: need to be smart enough. You need to be smart
Speaker 1: enough to not let yourself get triggered by the fact
Speaker 1: that he just said something you're not used to hearing.
Speaker 1: That's all it is. That's all it is. So every
Speaker 1: second of that it is, it is miserable. But he's again,
Speaker 1: that is a superficial kind of class analysis right where
Speaker 1: he's talking about billionaires all have solidarity with each other. Uh,
Speaker 1: we're all we're all poor. And he's again he's lying
Speaker 1: about this. He is he is, He's a multimillionaire, possibly
Speaker 1: multi hundreds of millions of dollars. But you see what
Speaker 1: he's doing. He he recognizes everyone hates these billionaires. Everyone.
Speaker 1: You cannot ignore inequality and the role that it has
Speaker 1: on Like why all these young men who are vulnerable
Speaker 1: to my message is suffering, so I have to fucking
Speaker 1: play to that, right, Um, And and again he is
Speaker 1: offering this kind of he starts with this thing that
Speaker 1: has elements of left wing analysis to it, elements of like,
Speaker 1: you know, capitalism is a con game. The rich are
Speaker 1: a class, and they have solidarity with each other, and
Speaker 1: they're trying to keep you guys fighting so that you
Speaker 1: don't organize a against them. There's pieces of less left
Speaker 1: wing analysis there. Um. But then take solution is not
Speaker 1: dismantled the system. It's not go after these guys. It's
Speaker 1: treat it like a trap you escape by getting rich
Speaker 1: and jacked. Right. That's the way that that's the way
Speaker 1: it is to say. Again, look back to Robert Bli
Speaker 1: where he's he's very accurately stating, here are some fucked
Speaker 1: up things capitalism is doing the men. Here are ways
Speaker 1: in which capitalism and the patriarchy is harming men. The
Speaker 1: solution is for men to like go out into the
Speaker 1: woods and play drums and and learned how to hunt
Speaker 1: and stuff. Uh not. The solution is for men and
Speaker 1: women to organize to make a more just society that
Speaker 1: doesn't harm us in these ways. It takes doing a
Speaker 1: version of the same thing, like BLI. He's he's diagnosing
Speaker 1: parts of the problem, and then the thing he's selling
Speaker 1: you is, here's how you personally can get out of
Speaker 1: it by doing this thing that feeds money to me. Right,
Speaker 1: he's insufferable. He's insufferable, but it works, UM. And obviously
Speaker 1: other people are pushing pieces of this message on young folks. UM,
Speaker 1: but his presentation is the most polished he is not.
Speaker 1: He is a good speaker, and I don't mean that
Speaker 1: in the you should like the way he speaks. I
Speaker 1: mean it. And he's effective at speaking and getting his
Speaker 1: message across. Always the most obnoxious in the room, he's
Speaker 1: the ladest in the room, and you make sure that
Speaker 1: he does. And if you watch him with these UM,
Speaker 1: these young men, like these other male influencers on their podcasts,
Speaker 1: he's so good at sucking energy from them, like he
Speaker 1: actually does know how to do that. He's very good
Speaker 1: at talk, not just not even talking over them, but
Speaker 1: at making the focus of the conversation whatever he wants
Speaker 1: it to be and making himself the person that people
Speaker 1: are focusing on Um, that's the thing he knows how
Speaker 1: to do. Uh. And it's it's it's it's yeah. And
Speaker 1: I think probably the smartest thing he's done in this
Speaker 1: whole process is co opt the Matrix movies in his messaging.
Speaker 1: And that sounds very silly. The thing that Tate does
Speaker 1: is he basically he positions the matrix is the normal
Speaker 1: world where you like work for some company forty or
Speaker 1: whatever hours a week just to scrape by and if
Speaker 1: you're lucky, maybe buy a house someday. Um. And the
Speaker 1: thing that Andrew tells people is that, like, this is
Speaker 1: what you have to break out of, right, Not not
Speaker 1: that like you have to make a more equable system,
Speaker 1: but you have to escape the matrix, like Neo does.
Speaker 1: And it's just about freeing yourself. Um. And very it's
Speaker 1: just about getting yourself. Yeah. And once he once he
Speaker 1: gets kids to accept that idea, the thing he tells
Speaker 1: them that they need to drop out of school and
Speaker 1: spend the money they would spend on college on Hustler's university. Um.
Speaker 1: That is that is a massive part of his pitch.
Speaker 1: And again it's it's not hard to see why this
Speaker 1: stuff is appealing to a lot of young kids. It's
Speaker 1: married to some of the worst misogyny imaginable too, though.
Speaker 1: Um he tells young men that like, they should not
Speaker 1: learn how to cook, that's a waste of time. They
Speaker 1: should find a woman to cook for them. They should
Speaker 1: focus on making money. Women shouldn't be allowed to leave
Speaker 1: the house. They shouldn't have friends of their own. This
Speaker 1: is all stuff that take preaches to alongside the stuff
Speaker 1: that's less fucked up. Intate's ideology women being able to
Speaker 1: have their own careers and lives is also part of
Speaker 1: the matrix, right. He starts from this reasonable position capitalism
Speaker 1: is kind of a con job, and then he pivots
Speaker 1: to telling kids that the real con is anything that
Speaker 1: limits the ability of young men to do whatever they
Speaker 1: want in any way. And I want to play you
Speaker 1: now a video that he made to advertise Hustlers University.
Speaker 1: Two point oh um, because it's it's uh something else.
Speaker 1: You cannot stop, you cannot give up. You're in the
Speaker 1: most fantastic place on the planet for making money, Hustles University,
Speaker 1: and the only person who could ruin that is you.
Speaker 1: Most of you are happy to be losers. Part time
Speaker 1: you want to escape. That's why you join. You don't
Speaker 1: want to be loser anymore. But then that new video
Speaker 1: game comes out. I'll just play the video game. I'll
Speaker 1: just be a loser for two more weeks. Then I'll
Speaker 1: get back to trying to escape the matrix. It doesn't
Speaker 1: work that way because you jump in it out of
Speaker 1: complacency from I'm happy to be a loser and do
Speaker 1: loser things too. I can't be a loser anymore. When
Speaker 1: you're jumping it out, you never get momentum. You cannot quit,
Speaker 1: you cannot give up. You need that momentum to break free.
Speaker 1: When a rocket is flying out towards the moon to
Speaker 1: escape the atmosphere, it doesn't fucking pause halfway up the
Speaker 1: sky doesn't know. It keeps going. Every single second you're
Speaker 1: not in Hustas University, there are things happening, conversations happening
Speaker 1: that you're not watching. Information that could be the one
Speaker 1: little piece of information you need to break out. It
Speaker 1: could be that one little sentence that changes everything. You're
Speaker 1: in Hustas University and you're gonna make money. But it
Speaker 1: ain't easy. It ain't gonna be given to you on
Speaker 1: a plate. You're gonna have to work you're in competition
Speaker 1: with the entire world. Everyone wants to escape. You cannot
Speaker 1: be lazy. Okay, that's probably enough. The filming on this
Speaker 1: is so weird, Like jumps back and forth between his cars.
Speaker 1: He's like clearly holding an empty mug too. I think
Speaker 1: filmed in a way that like is meant that they
Speaker 1: can cut it up for for TikTok more easily. Um.
Speaker 1: You see this with like the liver King to a
Speaker 1: lot of these guys will their longer YouTube videos will
Speaker 1: have kind of a weird vibe because they're mainly filming
Speaker 1: it to cut it up for TikTok um. But you
Speaker 1: see here he's like there's this fear of missing out.
Speaker 1: You're not doing enough. You've got to break like free.
Speaker 1: You're in competition with everybody else. Um. And it's it's
Speaker 1: it's interesting because when he's when he's talking this stuff, Um,
Speaker 1: it's extremely modern, and it's it's almost a political right,
Speaker 1: Like there was not a thing in that that is
Speaker 1: like you could super define as like a particularly political rant.
Speaker 1: Tate is a very political guy. And when he gets
Speaker 1: into his opinions about like women shouldn't be allowed to
Speaker 1: leave the house, you realize he's actually kind of like
Speaker 1: a traditionalist religious fundamentalists, which we will be building towards.
Speaker 1: But he's smart enough that he doesn't get stuck in
Speaker 1: the traps that a lot of religious fundamentalists fall into
Speaker 1: trying to reach out to young men. He doesn't start
Speaker 1: with any of that. It's stuff that kind of comes
Speaker 1: out later in some of his other rants um and
Speaker 1: and he gets this there. There will be moments where
Speaker 1: you can he will make these arguments about stuff like
Speaker 1: military service that actually wouldn't seem out of place if
Speaker 1: you're listening to some like left wing bread tuber going
Speaker 1: on a rant. I want to play you this clip here,
Speaker 1: because again, it shows how much he's kind of separated
Speaker 1: himself from the traditional right wing grift sphere, or at
Speaker 1: least the traditional conservative grift sphere. I think, I think
Speaker 1: you're a fool. You gonna go die for what, Biden?
Speaker 1: I'm trying to protect American freedom. Yeah, you're gonna protect
Speaker 1: the freedom of those people in Nebraska by going over
Speaker 1: to Yemen and balmbing some thirteen year old farmers. Great job, Stupid,
Speaker 1: You may protecting nothing but profits for companies that don't
Speaker 1: care about you. You You should only protect yourself and your boys.
Speaker 1: I thought for myself. Again, the world champion got some money.
Speaker 1: You never get any money. Your leg blown off, walk
Speaker 1: around one leg? Mr Limpy, Mr Limpy g for what for?
Speaker 1: Biden doesn't care about you. Don't be stupid, don't be dumb.
Speaker 1: I'm pure as much I'm joining us say that's a Again,
Speaker 1: first of all, you should only protect your boys. Made
Speaker 1: me audibly vomit, But that's how we work here at
Speaker 1: cool Zone. No no, but just like him going like
Speaker 1: firm anti military and anti Biden, like you're you're clearly
Speaker 1: you clearly know your audience. Yeah, it's these it's these
Speaker 1: kids who grew up right after because like I mean,
Speaker 1: Ian and and Sophie and we all grew up kind
Speaker 1: of right in the wake of nine eleven and all
Speaker 1: of that, Like where the military was this like sacred,
Speaker 1: uncriticizeable thing in mainstream American culture. That era is past,
Speaker 1: and it's i mean, obviously in the UK it was
Speaker 1: always a bit different, but like that era is well
Speaker 1: passed and you actually you can get I mean, Trump
Speaker 1: did versions of this right when he would talk about
Speaker 1: how you're like a loser if you get injured for
Speaker 1: your country. It would always all these democrats who are
Speaker 1: stuck in like two thousand six would always get like
Speaker 1: this has to be the end for him. Look, he
Speaker 1: he told people that like injured veterans or chumps, and
Speaker 1: it's like, no, it doesn't matter, Um, they're perfect. People
Speaker 1: are perfectly willing to say that they are chumps because
Speaker 1: the this could like modern conservatism, the modern right is
Speaker 1: so purely focused on the grift and on personally sucking
Speaker 1: as much money out as you can from people around
Speaker 1: you that it doesn't matter. Tait realizes that there's no
Speaker 1: need to be ashamed of this thing, and it can
Speaker 1: draw in folks who are like open to listening to
Speaker 1: these kind of left wing arguments. He starts to make
Speaker 1: one there where he's like, all you're doing joining the
Speaker 1: military is murdering kids and Yemen. You can find versions
Speaker 1: of that and like Marxist like influence and influencer YouTube brands,
Speaker 1: and it would be so curious to know like the
Speaker 1: specific things that he uh watched and read where he's like, like,
Speaker 1: what what specifically he learned? Yeah, yeah, I mean it's
Speaker 1: it's yeah exactly. I think he spends a lot of
Speaker 1: time and he says he spends all of his time
Speaker 1: online like he's working on the time. I think a
Speaker 1: lot of I think a lot of it is he's
Speaker 1: paying attention to what's going viral whare and he's not
Speaker 1: just paying attention to what goes viral on the right.
Speaker 1: And one of the things that happened when he got
Speaker 1: arrested is you had all of these left wing weirdos online,
Speaker 1: guys like Vosh is the one that I remember most
Speaker 1: specifically being like, well, you know, Andrew Tate's bad, but
Speaker 1: the left needs someone like him who can speak to
Speaker 1: young men in this way. And it's like, well, all
Speaker 1: he's doing is he's he's using these he's using his bait,
Speaker 1: little pieces of left wing social analysis and class analysis
Speaker 1: in order to get people on the hook. And then
Speaker 1: he's trying to sell them on turning their fifteen year
Speaker 1: old cousins into uber drivers. Like that. That is all
Speaker 1: that is here. There's there's no need to replicate this.
Speaker 1: He's not actually offering people anything. He's just the thing
Speaker 1: that he's promising them. Rather than like the grinding act
Speaker 1: of trying to reform the world in a more just way,
Speaker 1: he's promising them you can get a Lamborghini. Well, yes,
Speaker 1: that's always going to be a better pitch to a
Speaker 1: lot of people than if we all work hard and
Speaker 1: fight like hell, we can make the world more just. Um,
Speaker 1: but you can't. There's no like, there's no replicating what
Speaker 1: Tate's doing because the only thing he's promising is a
Speaker 1: chance at like winning the lottery basically, right, Um, that's
Speaker 1: not actually a thing you should shoot for. That's my
Speaker 1: opinion here. Um. So all of the videos that I've
Speaker 1: been playing for you, nearly all of them, um, come
Speaker 1: from fans who will compile clips of his various interviews
Speaker 1: and podcast appearances and put them up on social media.
Speaker 1: Since Tate has been banned for most platforms, this is
Speaker 1: the only way his content gets out. But more than that,
Speaker 1: it's part of a cohesive media strategy. That's how he
Speaker 1: became famous in the first place. Tate built his empire
Speaker 1: knowing that this would happen. And I'm gonna quote from
Speaker 1: The Guardian here. Since January, repackaged videos from interviews with
Speaker 1: Tate over the years have been attracting leans of views
Speaker 1: on TikTok, but in recent weeks this growth has accelerated.
Speaker 1: In August so far alone, clips tagged with his name
Speaker 1: have been watched more than a billion times. The posts
Speaker 1: do not come from Tate himself, who does not appear
Speaker 1: to be active on the platform, but from hundreds of accounts,
Speaker 1: often using his name and photo, run by his followers.
Speaker 1: Members of Hustlers University, members, including boys as young as thirteen,
Speaker 1: are told they can earn up to ten thous dollars
Speaker 1: a month through lessons on crypto investing, drop shipping, and
Speaker 1: by recruiting others to Tussler's University, earning a forty eight
Speaker 1: percent commission for each person. They refer to have the
Speaker 1: best chance of getting people to sign up. Their advised
Speaker 1: to stoke controversy to improve their chances of going viral
Speaker 1: and one guy at Hustler's University. Students are told that
Speaker 1: attracting comments and controversy is the key to success. What
Speaker 1: you ideally want is a mix of sixty seventy fans
Speaker 1: and forty haters. You want arguments, you want war. And
Speaker 1: this is the thing he did that's brilliant um or
Speaker 1: mid two there was this thing. Are all of these
Speaker 1: left wing influencers and liberal influencers and media people found
Speaker 1: out about Andrew Tate and for weeks you could not
Speaker 1: miss him. He was he was everywhere. All of these
Speaker 1: mainstream media people like Pierce Morgan interviewed him. There were
Speaker 1: a couple others. Someone at CNN talked to him. I
Speaker 1: think like there were all these and all of them
Speaker 1: were condemning him. All of them were attacking him. A
Speaker 1: lot of them were making fun of him and trying
Speaker 1: to show him as a loser. All it did was
Speaker 1: making millions of dollars. This is why when people were celebrating,
Speaker 1: like Greta dunking on him, I was like, guys, this
Speaker 1: is how he got rich. Thankfully he happened to get
Speaker 1: arrested after that, but like, this is how he got rich.
Speaker 1: The only reason that we're doing these episodes now was
Speaker 1: number one. I think the strategy, the whole sweep of
Speaker 1: it is important. I wasn't willing to do something like
Speaker 1: this until I thought there was a good chance he's
Speaker 1: not getting out of fucking prison. Um. I mean, we'll see,
Speaker 1: he might still come back to it, but I figured
Speaker 1: it was worth doing at this point. It's interesting that
Speaker 1: like his reach where he was going on literally CNN,
Speaker 1: but also was doing like he did like an interview
Speaker 1: on a Fit and Trim podcastcast, but also like he
Speaker 1: did an entire interview on this like TikTok teen teen
Speaker 1: show with Barstool Sports BFFs. They we'll have a clip
Speaker 1: from that in a sense where it's like where it's
Speaker 1: like yeah, and that's the thing, like everywhere, just unbelievable.
Speaker 1: He doesn't have a TikTok and he's like the number
Speaker 1: one guy on TikTok or was for quite a while. Um,
Speaker 1: and that's that's Uh, there's brilliance in that he this
Speaker 1: was conscious. He didn't look into this. This didn't happen
Speaker 1: by accident. He realized once he gets a hundred thousand
Speaker 1: or so people, it's like, if you've got a hundred
Speaker 1: thousand people in your discord thing following you and you
Speaker 1: can get them all posting. You get fifty six people
Speaker 1: a day posting clip mash ups of your interviews. Some
Speaker 1: of that's gonna go viral. It's gonna be and it's
Speaker 1: gonna go fucking and the algorithm will help carry you. Um.
Speaker 1: And again he part of this, he didn't come up
Speaker 1: like this is part in part based on the fact
Speaker 1: that he pays attention to what's been happening. So we
Speaker 1: notices Alex Jones has guys like Kanye on because he
Speaker 1: knows that they're going to do provocative racist ship that
Speaker 1: the media will cover and that'll get his name trending.
Speaker 1: Even though he's not on social media. He observes this
Speaker 1: and then he goes more proactively after it. Right. Um,
Speaker 1: what Tate's done is he's taken the logic and the
Speaker 1: sense of personal investment that you get in a pyramid
Speaker 1: scheme or an MLM, and he's given his followers a
Speaker 1: vested financial interest in getting his content trending around the world.
Speaker 1: And this worked incredibly well. Um, the sudden rush of
Speaker 1: attention tate stuff gotten twenty two drove tens of thousands
Speaker 1: of mostly very young men to Hustlers University and the
Speaker 1: war Room, which is his even more exclusive discord that
Speaker 1: costs five thousand dollars a month or five thousand dollars
Speaker 1: total to join. Now, both platforms have strict requirements for
Speaker 1: their membership. If you pay five grand to join the
Speaker 1: war Room, you're warned ahead of time that you could
Speaker 1: be banned for any reason, uh costing you five grand
Speaker 1: if you displease Andrew Tate. So you're going to be
Speaker 1: invested in keeping him happy meanwhile actively evil. And one
Speaker 1: of the things you told if you join Hustlers University,
Speaker 1: he tells you, if you don't pay every month for this,
Speaker 1: it means you're not committed enough to succeed and are
Speaker 1: definitely going to fail in life. I can remember him
Speaker 1: doing like a call in show where like one guys like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I need to take a month off from
Speaker 1: membership to buy my mom my birthday gift. And he's like, well,
Speaker 1: if you weren't a failure, you would have made that
Speaker 1: money already using the skills you'd learned here. Um. And
Speaker 1: what they do if you if you miss a month
Speaker 1: of payments on Hustlers University, you're not You're not. You're not.
Speaker 1: You are siloed off to a separate discord where the
Speaker 1: only thing posted in there is screen grabs of the
Speaker 1: other members profits. Oh my god, they want you to
Speaker 1: find a way to get the money exactly. Yeah. Um,
Speaker 1: And I'm going to continue with a quote from that
Speaker 1: Guardian investigation We Can Do did an anonymous experiment with
Speaker 1: a blank account set up for a teenage boy, and
Speaker 1: we're quickly shown content of Tate after watching two of
Speaker 1: his videos, we were recommended more, including clips of him
Speaker 1: expressing misogynistic views. The next time the account was opened
Speaker 1: to the first four posts were of Tap from four
Speaker 1: different accounts. In one video, posted from an account with
Speaker 1: Tate's name and face, he describes a matter of factly,
Speaker 1: how he expects his girlfriends to behave I inflict. I
Speaker 1: expect absolute loyalty from my woman, he says. I ain't
Speaker 1: having my chicks talking to other dudes, liking other dudes.
Speaker 1: My chicks don't go to the club without me. They
Speaker 1: are at home. This tactic has worked extremely well, and
Speaker 1: the way that social media functions has ensured that all
Speaker 1: the hate Tate receives does nothing but make his brand stronger.
Speaker 1: In mid one, basically every liberal and left yeah, I
Speaker 1: already talked about this, but yeah um. After he gets
Speaker 1: kicked off of social media, subscriptions to Hustlers University only
Speaker 1: increase um. Screenshots posted online showed that Hustlers University two
Speaker 1: point oh had about twelve thousand subscribers in March of
Speaker 1: two when kind of Everybody started attacking Andrew Tate. By
Speaker 1: July it had seventy seven thousand subscribers, and at the
Speaker 1: start of August, there were a hundred and twenty nine
Speaker 1: thousand followers. By the end of August, he starts to
Speaker 1: get even more media attention, and his affiliate program that
Speaker 1: incentivized subscribers gets discontinued um, which costs him a bunch
Speaker 1: of people. So like near the end of that month,
Speaker 1: he goes down by like thod or so, but that's
Speaker 1: a temporary loss, because by September he's back up to
Speaker 1: a hundred and sixty thousand subscribers UM. In October, BuzzFeed
Speaker 1: observed more than two hundred and twenty one thousand users
Speaker 1: in his discord server, which is Hustlers University two point
Speaker 1: oh um. Since all of those people were paying month,
Speaker 1: that means he was making eleven million dollars in October
Speaker 1: alone just from his discord. Holy sh it, that's crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah and yeah, and you know he's not paying taxes
Speaker 1: on and he's already told you you shouldn't pay taxes
Speaker 1: on your ship. Break the law right point now. I
Speaker 1: I think it's important to see the way a lot
Speaker 1: of young men react to and imitate Tate, because it
Speaker 1: could be easy to just miss him as just another
Speaker 1: weirdo right wing guy. Online if you don't see that,
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna play you a clip. This is of
Speaker 1: some kid I think they're eighteen. Uh, this is their
Speaker 1: TikTok uh. Watch this. Pay attention to his mannerisms. You've
Speaker 1: all seen enough Andrew Tate now to recognize Tate. They
Speaker 1: will think that it's so hard to break the matrix.
Speaker 1: And I'm here to tell you it's not. Like I
Speaker 1: made my first million dollars last year, and in the
Speaker 1: past twelve months, I was able to turn that one
Speaker 1: million dollars into five point six million, eighteen years old.
Speaker 1: By the way, and I'll tell you this right now.
Speaker 1: I didn't do this by listening to know brokey teachers
Speaker 1: saying steady steady, steady steady for your degree. Fuck your degree.
Speaker 1: It is not hard to create your dream life. Like,
Speaker 1: once you make that first you are out. And if
Speaker 1: you follow the steps that I give you would actually
Speaker 1: take action and make that first one under k and
Speaker 1: I'll blow it on a fucking penthouse or a lambo.
Speaker 1: You will be out. So stop waiting and join us.
Speaker 1: People think that it's so hard. So yeah, that's like
Speaker 1: this is literally like clable. Yeah, yeah, it's right down
Speaker 1: to like the facial expressions and stuff, and he's and
Speaker 1: even like he's doing kind of a weird like semi
Speaker 1: British accent thing in there or somebody. I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe the kid is British, but like every and he's
Speaker 1: doing Like the term brokey is one that evolved within
Speaker 1: the Tates hanture. Yeah, that's like the thing. By the way,
Speaker 1: brokey is like that's what they tell you. Take people
Speaker 1: tell you, like call your teachers that tell you, like
Speaker 1: the adults around you who tell you not to obsess
Speaker 1: with Andrew Tates style hustlers, brokeys because they're not multimillionaires,
Speaker 1: so they're losers. If you argue with these people online.
Speaker 1: The question they're told to ask you was what color
Speaker 1: is your Bugatti? Um, By the way, the color of
Speaker 1: Andrew Tates bugatti now is he doesn't have one because
Speaker 1: it's been confiscated by the Romanian government. But this again
Speaker 1: you see why this is like I mean, just for
Speaker 1: a little to like personal context. When I was nineteen
Speaker 1: eighteen nineteen, like I started working, and it sucks, like
Speaker 1: working for minimum wage and trying to afford an apartment
Speaker 1: was a lot easier fifteen sixteen years ago. When I
Speaker 1: was doing it, but like it's still sucked ass. And
Speaker 1: the thing that I wanted more than anything was to
Speaker 1: like figure out some job that would let me work
Speaker 1: from home doing something that wasn't miserable, which is like
Speaker 1: how I started my career in like tech journalism and ship,
Speaker 1: and like that was my my sole motivation was to
Speaker 1: not have to spend forty sixty hours a week being
Speaker 1: miserable in an office in like for someone else's profit.
Speaker 1: I didn't want to have to do that. Um, And
Speaker 1: like I get how powerful a motivator that is. And
Speaker 1: there's again this kid that we just saw, Like part
Speaker 1: of what he's saying is like these teachers who tell
Speaker 1: you to study for you degree, that's not going to
Speaker 1: help you. And for a lot of people, he's right.
Speaker 1: I know a shipload of people who got to fun
Speaker 1: in college degree and it did nothing but lock them
Speaker 1: into debt. There's there's a reason why kids are vulnerable
Speaker 1: to this ship, and it's because doing things the quote
Speaker 1: unquote right way is often deeply unpleasant. Um, it's just
Speaker 1: that all Andrew Tate's going to get you to do
Speaker 1: is give him money. He's not going to teach you
Speaker 1: how to escape this system because you can't escape it. Like,
Speaker 1: even if you think that you've escaped it because you've
Speaker 1: gotten a decent job, you're still latched to it one
Speaker 1: way or the other. Like it is still dragging behind you,
Speaker 1: which is why we need to kill it with a spear. Um.
Speaker 1: But anyway, that's that's ads time for some ads. Ah,
Speaker 1: good stuff. So I'm like, good stuff. Not sure are
Speaker 1: you going to ask how we're feeling? How are you
Speaker 1: Feeling's everybody doing? Everybody happy? Sad and concerned for I'm
Speaker 1: hearing happy. Um, that's good. Tell us more so. In
Speaker 1: the weeks before his arrest, Andrew was trending and what
Speaker 1: is a legitimately fascinating direction. He announced at the start
Speaker 1: of December of two that he had converted to Islam.
Speaker 1: Now there is a whole video. There's a number of them.
Speaker 1: But I watched a whole video with him and some
Speaker 1: like weirdo Muslim scholar. I don't know that this guy
Speaker 1: is a It's unlike the one Islam network, which has
Speaker 1: one point seven or four million subscribers, this video has
Speaker 1: one point six million views. The guy is Mohammed hijab Uh.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's a good person. Um. And I'm
Speaker 1: certainly not saying that he actually knows or actually is
Speaker 1: as an expert on Islam. I don't know. I'm not
Speaker 1: certainly either, but boy, this video is gross as shit. Um.
Speaker 1: So he Tate starts by like saying that he had
Speaker 1: converted to Islam because he decided it was the only
Speaker 1: real religion, right, all of the other religions have been
Speaker 1: cutted by the Matrix Center. Fake. Um. And he claimed
Speaker 1: he to be an atheist, but then he saw evil
Speaker 1: and that that convinced him of the existence of God.
Speaker 1: And then we get to my favorite part, which is
Speaker 1: the only thing that's entertaining in this video and not
Speaker 1: deeply depressing angus time. You know, I've never been to
Speaker 1: like a music concert, and people ask me why. I
Speaker 1: just look at it and I feel embarrassed. I look
Speaker 1: at someone up on a stage dancing around, and I
Speaker 1: look at hundreds of thousands of peasants in the crowd. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm like, it's embarrassing. I'm I feel cringe, just like
Speaker 1: secondhand embarrassment. When I see these festivals and everyone's losing
Speaker 1: their mind or these music concerts, I genuinely feel embarrassed
Speaker 1: for the people who go, because to me, that is
Speaker 1: a form of worship, Like you can listen to the
Speaker 1: music at home for free, You're like, you don't have
Speaker 1: to wait in that line and stand out in the cold.
Speaker 1: Like I don't know, perhaps it was a big extreme,
Speaker 1: but I've always known that they're trying to give us
Speaker 1: false idols to some degree. And when I speak to atheists,
Speaker 1: atheists like, oh, I don't believe in God, but they
Speaker 1: they've signed up so hard to the liberal woke agenda.
Speaker 1: There as religious as anybody, but they're just believing in
Speaker 1: the wrong things to believe. So I think that's interesting
Speaker 1: because what clearly has happened here is that Andrew Tate
Speaker 1: is a deeply malignant narcissist. And if you go to
Speaker 1: a concert, part of like what people get out of
Speaker 1: a concert is losing themselves in a piece of another
Speaker 1: person's creation. And that would mean that the focus is
Speaker 1: not on Andrew Tate, and he's simply not only can
Speaker 1: he not enjoy it, but it makes him sick to
Speaker 1: see other people be a focus of attention. Like live
Speaker 1: music is one of the greatest things we have. This
Speaker 1: is the single best thing that our species has created like. Um,
Speaker 1: but Andrew, I do think it's funny. But if people
Speaker 1: are looking at Dula, that means no one to Andrew Tate. Yes. Um. Also,
Speaker 1: there's definitely videos of him at concerts, but at least
Speaker 1: that's beautiful, it's very funny. It's also worth noting that
Speaker 1: Andrew Hate and Jeff Bezos are buddies in baldness and
Speaker 1: not understanding the gift of songs. So that's that's what
Speaker 1: it's neat that they have that in common. They also
Speaker 1: both like we're really tight pants, which they also both
Speaker 1: like to wear really tight pants. That is correct, although
Speaker 1: I I gotta say this, Uh, Jeff Bezos gave up
Speaker 1: half of his fortune in the divorce, and I don't
Speaker 1: think that Andrew Tate would have done that. So yeah,
Speaker 1: definitely not so Anyway, Tate was arrested right before the
Speaker 1: end of two alongside his brother Tristan and two Romanian women,
Speaker 1: one of whom was a former Romanian police officer. Um.
Speaker 1: Some of the articles I found that are Romanian have
Speaker 1: will say that the women were branded by him. Um.
Speaker 1: This is not entirely accurate. They're saying this because of
Speaker 1: like nexium, right, because the second season of The Keith
Speaker 1: Renierie Dot came out and those women had been branded.
Speaker 1: The realities that they have Tate's girls tattoos, which we
Speaker 1: know exist. I've seen pictures of them on a number
Speaker 1: of different women, and that's weird, but that is not branding.
Speaker 1: People get tattoos, people get tattoos with dudes names on them.
Speaker 1: That's not like, it's not branding and branding somebody dramatically. Yeah, again,
Speaker 1: the guy is deeply abusive, but he is not like that.
Speaker 1: I have not seen any evidence these literally branding women.
Speaker 1: They just got tattoos of his name, which is like weird,
Speaker 1: but not what Keith Reniery was having women do. Um.
Speaker 1: It is too early for me to comment in much
Speaker 1: detail about the allegations against him. Um. We do know
Speaker 1: that at least two women I think it's up to
Speaker 1: four now have accused one of the Tates, and we
Speaker 1: don't actually know which of the Tates with physical and
Speaker 1: sexual abuse. In addition, both Tates are accused along with
Speaker 1: those women, of sexually trafficking a number of women for
Speaker 1: their webcam business. We think he throws his brother under
Speaker 1: the bus to say of himself one million. I think
Speaker 1: there's a good chance. I don't think Tristan would. Tristan
Speaker 1: I think is kind of not. Tristan is a giant
Speaker 1: piece of ship, by the way, But like I think
Speaker 1: that Andrew would throw Tristan under the bus before Tristan
Speaker 1: with row Andrew under the bus. Although I'm open to
Speaker 1: being surprised. Here um for a little bit of context
Speaker 1: on the crimes, I'm gonna quote from readers here. The
Speaker 1: Directorate for Investigating Organized Crime and Terrorism said the suspects
Speaker 1: appear to have created an organized crime group with the
Speaker 1: purpose of recruiting, housing, and exploiting women by forcing them
Speaker 1: to create pornographic content to be seen on specialized websites
Speaker 1: for a cost. It claimed that the men recruited women
Speaker 1: with the pretense of romance and the lover boy method
Speaker 1: before being forced to perform in pornographic content under the
Speaker 1: threat of violence. Instaget investigators are reported to believe one
Speaker 1: of the performers brought in forty five dollars a month
Speaker 1: or forty pounds a month, but received no payment, and
Speaker 1: while the women were kept under house arrest. Take claims
Speaker 1: the women kept of the fees earned and that most
Speaker 1: of the girls ended up being multimillionaires, and look, Tate
Speaker 1: has his claim here that's important to note. But we
Speaker 1: know that in his Hustler's University video he recommends getting
Speaker 1: people to work with you in a gig basis and
Speaker 1: then lying to them about how much money they're making
Speaker 1: so you can take it. Also, I I think there's
Speaker 1: reason to believe the Romanian authorities on this one. UM. Now,
Speaker 1: the prosecution doesn't just have that, they have audio that
Speaker 1: likely some of it I think came from a wire tap.
Speaker 1: Some of it seems to have been recorded by one
Speaker 1: of his victims. UM. Some of this audio has been
Speaker 1: leaked to apparently been leaked to local Romanian news sources.
Speaker 1: Most of the translations of that I found have been
Speaker 1: from Romanians on edit on Reddit. I'm not going to
Speaker 1: quote directly from it because I just am not certain
Speaker 1: about the providence of all of this yet. But some
Speaker 1: credible Romanian news sources are reporting that, based on these
Speaker 1: these leaked conversations that the prosecution has Tate openly discusses
Speaker 1: using the women who worked for him to launder money
Speaker 1: and talks about the fact that he is committing crimes.
Speaker 1: He does this very openly. They have him recorded talking
Speaker 1: about the laws that he's broken because as smart as
Speaker 1: he is in terms of how to like get himself
Speaker 1: going viral on TikTok, he's not comprehends. Again, like everything
Speaker 1: ab out Andrew, he's not as good as he thinks
Speaker 1: he is. Uh and in this case, it seems to
Speaker 1: have bitten him in the ass. Um. Now, it is
Speaker 1: worth noting that Tate's house had been rated like six
Speaker 1: months before his arrest, so he was aware that the
Speaker 1: police were on him. It's kind of baffling to me
Speaker 1: that he did not, and it maybe it shows his
Speaker 1: arrogance that he didn't try to flee the country with
Speaker 1: his assets or as much of them as possible. Um.
Speaker 1: And instead he kind of seedd his fan base with
Speaker 1: comments about the fact that he was likely to be
Speaker 1: arrested or killed. This is sort of a John McAfee
Speaker 1: and I'm sure that's who he's copying from. Here. Um,
Speaker 1: here's a clip from a fan video I found with
Speaker 1: nearly seven hundred thousand views at the time of publication
Speaker 1: of this episode. This right here is one of my
Speaker 1: audiobooks that I own. It made a Spanish for kids,
Speaker 1: and I don't even speak Spanish. Okay, guys, I paid dollars,
Speaker 1: he replied, the audio and I just uploaded the file
Speaker 1: too audible. But what's amazing about that's and for each sale.
Speaker 1: So again, part of why Andrew is because this is
Speaker 1: he He will tell you how to do a version
Speaker 1: of this scam and sold a million other people. Part
Speaker 1: of why take gets away with what he's doing is
Speaker 1: we have built a culture in which every single mass
Speaker 1: media organ is largely supported by a variety of scams
Speaker 1: and cons designed to suck money from people and provide
Speaker 1: them with nothing. Including That's how YouTube makes its money.
Speaker 1: This is a huge amount of YouTube's advertising, like is
Speaker 1: ship like this. That's why Andrew is able to maneuver
Speaker 1: and act is that our culture has created the space
Speaker 1: where it is all nothing but a series of cons
Speaker 1: from the top to the bottom. Anyway, let's let's watch
Speaker 1: this video now of him talking about how he's going
Speaker 1: to be murdered for cracking the matrix to All I'm
Speaker 1: trying to do is teach men to be strong. If
Speaker 1: they decide to kill me on a long enough timeframe,
Speaker 1: they're going to be successful. But I can't. I don't
Speaker 1: want to live in fear because what did I say
Speaker 1: in the earlier tenant, if I become a coward, I
Speaker 1: will live in fear and it breeds an action is amazing.
Speaker 1: I want the world to know that absolutely never ever
Speaker 1: kill myself under any circumstances. Ever, no matter what they say,
Speaker 1: I did not kill myself. I don't want to be
Speaker 1: seen as a threat to have to die. I want
Speaker 1: to be seen as a positive. I'm gonna tell you
Speaker 1: right now. Andrew absolutely would commit suicide if he thought
Speaker 1: he was never going to get out of prison, just
Speaker 1: like John McAfee did. Just like Look, narcissists do this
Speaker 1: all the time. He's just hoping that he can rile
Speaker 1: people up, get folks angry, maybe inspire some violence on
Speaker 1: his behalf. Again, this is a pretty This is part
Speaker 1: of the playbook where he's not being creative at all.
Speaker 1: He's just doing a John McAfee, literally doing a McAfee. Yeah, now, true,
Speaker 1: toul and I hope he I hope he does the
Speaker 1: full McAfee by the way, um um true to form.
Speaker 1: Immediately after his request, someone with access to his account
Speaker 1: posted a link to Hustlers University three point oh, which
Speaker 1: is the newest phase of his all. He had just
Speaker 1: launched this before he got arrested. Now Hustlers University three
Speaker 1: point oh lives at the link joined the real world
Speaker 1: dot com and on the website is a video made
Speaker 1: with clips from the Matrix and some other movies, alongside
Speaker 1: clips of Tate and clips of other YouTube stars attacking
Speaker 1: him because he was like on Logan Paul Show. And
Speaker 1: then when he got arrested, Logan Paul pretended that like
Speaker 1: he hated him. All this good stuff above the video
Speaker 1: is the text It's time to wake up Neo join
Speaker 1: us a mass wealth escaped slavery Hustlers University. University. Hustlers
Speaker 1: University want to learn about Hussel's University. There's a bunch
Speaker 1: of rooms to go into and those rooms have a
Speaker 1: millionaire professors taught by a million that awesome questions. They
Speaker 1: give you everything on a silver planet of my impossible
Speaker 1: to not my moning if you follow up what they see.
Speaker 1: Not only having contact with actual multimillionaires, being part of
Speaker 1: a community of students helpeat back. It's a community people
Speaker 1: that are there for you when you mad. For one thing,
Speaker 1: I've already made my money back after the first day.
Speaker 1: I've made five K this month. If I'm just joining,
Speaker 1: that's fucking crazy. I made four k in my first month.
Speaker 1: I made two thousand bars in to two weeks. At fifteen,
Speaker 1: I just made the bucket twens euse dollars and great,
Speaker 1: so so fucking cheap all at all, I made about
Speaker 1: three thousand dollars. Like, let's to match my nine income.
Speaker 1: I shadowed that by five times. That will add days
Speaker 1: where I made two or three thousand dollars, And that's
Speaker 1: like what I used to make in a month will
Speaker 1: allow me. There are so many guys in this video. UM,
Speaker 1: we probably saw like fucking close to a hundred of
Speaker 1: them in that first series of just like different clips
Speaker 1: of people talking about their experience with Hustlers University. Again,
Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands of people who have paid him money
Speaker 1: directly and have joyed. All of these dudes are still
Speaker 1: on Hustlers University. It is still functioning as far as
Speaker 1: I have heard, UM and presumably still deeply invested in
Speaker 1: Tate's success. Like this is not a problem that's over, um,
Speaker 1: and it is. You know, we don't we don't know
Speaker 1: the court case. Andrew and his brother basically have not
Speaker 1: actually been formally charged yet. UM. As a publication of
Speaker 1: this episode UM, or at least as of the recording
Speaker 1: of it. They are on a thirty day hold too,
Speaker 1: while the Romanian court kind of gets shipped in order
Speaker 1: to see what they're actually going to charge them on.
Speaker 1: Some of this is just that, like Andrew's obviously a
Speaker 1: flight risky his whole videos about all the private jets
Speaker 1: that he has access to. UM, so we'll see. I
Speaker 1: think there's a chance Andrew has played his last cards,
Speaker 1: although I think there's a chance he winds up getting
Speaker 1: out and this has another ugly chapter UM. But there's
Speaker 1: a very good chance he's going to do serious prison time,
Speaker 1: like ten plus years in Romania. UM. And however, Rabbit
Speaker 1: his fan bases. Now, if he spends years in prison,
Speaker 1: I think that will dull his appeal. UM. For one thing,
Speaker 1: it will make him look like a loser. But in
Speaker 1: the here and now, all we are all left with
Speaker 1: the problem of all of these fucking people, these young minds,
Speaker 1: these weirdos, these kids that he's influenced. Multiple schools, particularly
Speaker 1: in the United Kingdom, have had to hold classes and
Speaker 1: seminars on de radicalizing teenage boys who fell through Andrew Tate.
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna close this episode by reading a quote
Speaker 1: from one of those articles in the Times of London.
Speaker 1: His initial tract attraction to young people, said one teacher,
Speaker 1: was often his advice around being confident and financially successful,
Speaker 1: and from there he capitalizes on a post me to
Speaker 1: anxiety with comments such as females don't have independent thought,
Speaker 1: they don't come up with anything. They're just empty vessels
Speaker 1: waiting for someone to install the pro gramming. J Jordan,
Speaker 1: a teacher in Dundee of five years, said the recent
Speaker 1: interest in Tate had made boys more hostile. You used
Speaker 1: to have to deal with sex as stuff, but now
Speaker 1: it's explicitly connected to Andrew Tate. The boys do not
Speaker 1: stop talking about him, she said. In one class she
Speaker 1: reprimanded a fourteen year old You're just a woman, he responded.
Speaker 1: Jordan seven said, we've definitely gone backwards and it is worrying.
Speaker 1: And that's the fun place to end the the Andrew
Speaker 1: Tate cast the tape episodes. How are we? How are
Speaker 1: we doing? Gang? That's just like I said before, it's
Speaker 1: I'm scared because there's like hundreds of thousands of boys
Speaker 1: and young men who think like this and like they're
Speaker 1: they're not They're not in jail, They're not going anywhere,
Speaker 1: you know. So like that this mindset and this ideology
Speaker 1: is going to continue to be proliferated. And it's it's
Speaker 1: pretty it is terrifying, and it's it's worth noting again
Speaker 1: people talking about, like what's the lution. Is throwing him
Speaker 1: in prison the solution, and like, no, throwing him in
Speaker 1: prison is a tourniquet. Maybe, um, I think it might
Speaker 1: stop his ability to grow the way that he would
Speaker 1: have grown if it hadn't. Um deep platforming was a
Speaker 1: total failure in this, Like kicking him off of ship
Speaker 1: did nothing but increase his reach and his profitability because
Speaker 1: of the quote unquote controversy that got you. And the
Speaker 1: thing to blame here, there's a couple of things. Number one,
Speaker 1: the structure of social media is to blame the structure
Speaker 1: of social media in order to stop and Andrew take
Speaker 1: it's not getting better a to arresting these guys. It's
Speaker 1: changing the structure of social media to not reward the
Speaker 1: kind of conflicts that he deliberately incited. In order to
Speaker 1: the fact that like, if you do something super fucked
Speaker 1: up and racist and people get angry about it it
Speaker 1: increases your reach on every social media app that exists.
Speaker 1: Is a huge part of the problem. Um. And the
Speaker 1: reason why that will not change is fundamentally, that's how
Speaker 1: all of these people make money, whether they're the good Twitter,
Speaker 1: the bad elon Twitter Twitter, they all made their money
Speaker 1: by making people fight, or by not making people fight,
Speaker 1: but by sharing things that would make people angry so
Speaker 1: that they would engage in fights. Um. That's a big
Speaker 1: part of what Andrew Tate recognized. The other thing is
Speaker 1: the entire structure of the system that we live under, rewards,
Speaker 1: cons and grifts. It is all figure out what the latest.
Speaker 1: As technology increases, there are more opportunities to run versions
Speaker 1: of the same old MLM scam that will not be
Speaker 1: recognized yet by the government as illegal. Right, So you
Speaker 1: get in there as fast as you can, and you
Speaker 1: make your money and then you fucking escape. Um. And
Speaker 1: this is the way. This is the fucking cryptocurrency thing, right,
Speaker 1: This is all that n f T ship. It's this,
Speaker 1: this the new scam that is really just the old
Speaker 1: scam dressed up in enough of a code of paint
Speaker 1: that nobody recognizes that like no, none of like the
Speaker 1: law doesn't recognize it for a couple of years. That's
Speaker 1: all Andrew has ever been doing. That's all he is
Speaker 1: purporting to teach you, um. And he just was sloppy
Speaker 1: enough with aspects of his life and that that he
Speaker 1: wasn't able to keep doing it long enough, right, Like,
Speaker 1: the only reason he got caught is that he bragged
Speaker 1: about breaking the laws in Romania and that they weren't
Speaker 1: going to punish him. And also he was too good
Speaker 1: at becoming famous. If he had stayed a few levels
Speaker 1: lower than this, if he'd stayed at like that Alex
Speaker 1: Jones level or whatever of of social media influence, even
Speaker 1: he probably would have kept getting away with it. But
Speaker 1: he was so big that it created such a fuss um,
Speaker 1: and the Romanian government had to be like, well, look
Speaker 1: now he's bragging about sex trafficking, and the euse angry
Speaker 1: at us because we already have this problem. Let's destroy
Speaker 1: this guy's life um in order to uh, because he
Speaker 1: basically forced us to write. If he'd been a little
Speaker 1: bit less of an idiot, a little bit more careful,
Speaker 1: he would have gotten away with it for longer, and
Speaker 1: the next one probably will um. Although maybe all of
Speaker 1: these guys because their narcissists are unable to kind of
Speaker 1: pull back from the ledge before they go over it.
Speaker 1: I guess that's the optimistic thing. Maybe fundamentally, the kind
Speaker 1: of guy who can do in Andrew Tate is always
Speaker 1: going to be so much of an egomaniac that they
Speaker 1: can't stop themselves. I don't know. Yeah, I think the
Speaker 1: way that he's reached his audience should be examined, and
Speaker 1: that uh, it's it's truly terrifying. It's truly terrifying the
Speaker 1: reach that as and that the Internet basically has rewarded
Speaker 1: him for it. Um. I hope these days in jail
Speaker 1: for a long time and fizzles out, But as we
Speaker 1: can see, Andrew Tate clones will just keep popping up. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And that's that's a scary thing. Like somebody else who
Speaker 1: can can just like study this model, find the holes
Speaker 1: in it and patch it up and then you know,
Speaker 1: you got your next Andrew Tate, you know, four point
Speaker 1: oh or whatever. And that's what's scary about it is
Speaker 1: as long as our current social media ecosystem, this and
Speaker 1: and the way news is covered, you know, the as
Speaker 1: long as that model exists, somebody is just gonna keep
Speaker 1: finding ways to exploit this and and do the same thing.
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