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Speaker 1: Welcome to Thursdays, and this is a Big Blue Kickoff

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Speaker 1: I'm Lance Metal. Paul Detino will be joining me shortly

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Speaker 1: right now. Some of the players are talking to the

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Speaker 1: media in the locker room, but we wanted to start

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Speaker 1: the show anyway, given opportunity for those of you tuning

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Speaker 1: in to chime in on all things Giants related and

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Speaker 1: the Giants now preparing for the Chicago Bears, and I

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Speaker 1: want to open up about the Bears overall and the

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Speaker 1: challenge ahead here before we get into some other Giants

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Speaker 1: team related news. Mike Garafolo from NFL Network earlier today

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Speaker 1: reported that it looks like Mitchell true Bisky is going

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Speaker 1: to miss another game, so Chase Daniel is in line

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Speaker 1: to start for the Bears for the second straight week.

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Speaker 1: He played on Thanksgiving against the Detroit Lions. True Bisky

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Speaker 1: is dealing with a shoulder injury and a C joint injury.

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Speaker 1: So it looks as if the Bears are gonna take

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Speaker 1: their time with rushing him back, and they have a

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Speaker 1: veteran who is familiar with Matt nagy system. Matt Nagy

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Speaker 1: was the quarterbacks coach of the Kansas City Chiefs when

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Speaker 1: Chase Daniel was a backup to Alex Smith, so this

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Speaker 1: familiarity with the scheme. But the Giants are going to

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Speaker 1: be going up against a backup quarterback, and it's interesting.

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Speaker 1: They're gonna get Colt McCoy next week, so this will

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Speaker 1: be now two straight weeks where the Giants are going

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Speaker 1: to be facing a backup quarterback. And then, if you

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Speaker 1: go back a little bit, they played Nick Mullins with

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Speaker 1: the San Francisco forty Niners, and considering they played a

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Speaker 1: combination of Ryan Fitzpatrick and Jameis Winston, you're talking about

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Speaker 1: three backup slash third string quarterbacks in the span of

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Speaker 1: four games, and it's going to become four and five

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Speaker 1: once they play the Redskins. Now, the Giants sometimes have

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Speaker 1: had trouble going up against backup quarterbacks, so I'm not

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Speaker 1: spelling it out that it's going to be a layup

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Speaker 1: for the Giants, because the bottom line is this is

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Speaker 1: one of the most opportunistic defenses that the Giants are

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Speaker 1: going to be going up against this weekend. And I'm

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Speaker 1: saying opportunistic in terms of not just the NFC, in

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Speaker 1: the entire league. The Bears are plus fourteen and turnover differential,

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Speaker 1: which is really mind bogg link the Giants. Over the

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Speaker 1: last few weeks, they've gone against the bottom tier of

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Speaker 1: teams in turnover differential. Tampa Bay was dead last, Philadelphia,

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Speaker 1: who they played last week, was third to last, and

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Speaker 1: the Niners were right in between. So each of the

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Speaker 1: last three weeks they've gone up against teams that have

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Speaker 1: not done a good job protecting the football, and the Giants,

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Speaker 1: at least in the first two games with San Francisco

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Speaker 1: and Tampa Bay, took advantage of that plus six turnover differential.

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Speaker 1: Notice it covered up some of the shortcomings on defense.

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Speaker 1: Then what happens is this past game you don't have

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Speaker 1: those takeaways. It's now difficult to cover up some of

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Speaker 1: the issues on defense, which is getting off the field

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Speaker 1: on third down, getting after the quarterback, stopping the run.

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Speaker 1: So you're seeing how takeaways are somewhat flukey and I've

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Speaker 1: always believed that it doesn't mean that you can't present

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Speaker 1: yourself in a position to make plays, but they come

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Speaker 1: and go. Just like sacks. You can't necessarily pencil and hey,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna get five or six takeaways in this game,

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Speaker 1: so we know we're gonna change field position. And now

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Speaker 1: you're going up against the Bears team. Well, the Bears

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Speaker 1: are pretty good in terms of being able to pencil

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Speaker 1: in one or two takeaways as I mentioned, plus fourteen

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Speaker 1: this season. As Paul Datino comes in, it's a locker rooms.

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Speaker 1: How are we doing? Paul Odell Beckham Jr. Was just

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Speaker 1: for being laid folks. And I did tell the audience

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Speaker 1: this show a priority despite the variety of different things

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Speaker 1: want anybody to be insulted on the program. Number is

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Speaker 1: a priority. Yes, well that's why continue. This is what

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Speaker 1: So it's a nice segue here on the program on

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Speaker 1: Big Blue Kick Off Live. So, the Bears lead the

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Speaker 1: NFL with twenty interceptions. Ten different players have at least

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Speaker 1: They've recovered nine of those seventeen force fumbles and returned

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Speaker 1: according to Odell, O'Dell says, the interceptions are in a

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Speaker 1: that's where most of the interceptions occur. The defensive backs

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Speaker 1: going after the ball. UH talked to Will Hernandez about

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Speaker 1: it Giants offensive left guard. He said, well, we notice

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Speaker 1: on tape every team tries to go for a strip,

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Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, and most teams will always say

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Speaker 1: You go for the ball, you go for the strip,

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Speaker 1: you go for the knockout. He said, no, No, the Bears,

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Speaker 1: they do it even more than other teams do. They

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Speaker 1: clearly over emphasize going for that ball and they do

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Speaker 1: He didn't know that either, but he said you can

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Speaker 1: tell from watching the tape that they over emphasize that

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Speaker 1: So when you talk about the picks and the fumbles,

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Speaker 1: They were consistent. It's not as if they had like

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Speaker 1: your next uh Khalil Mack who has eight sacks on

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Speaker 1: the season, It only only has nine quarterback hits, which

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Speaker 1: That's not a whole lot. To be perfectly frank with you,

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Speaker 1: some some of your pass rushers in this league have

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Speaker 1: fifteen quarterback hits by now. He's only got nine. So

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Speaker 1: let me make something clear. When he played the Patriots,

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Speaker 1: remember when Belichick said, you know, people were talking about

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Speaker 1: that famous quote, and Belichick laughed, he laughed, Oh, he

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Speaker 1: chuckled a few times. Well do you know what Khalil

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Speaker 1: So my apologe really actually for you. But ye know,

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Speaker 1: today's Thursday. I did this Tuesday night at three am.

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Speaker 1: I reviewed all of Khalil max uh sacks. Five of

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Speaker 1: them have come against the right tackle, three of them

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Speaker 1: seems to me, and again I'm gonna pull a Belichick here.

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Speaker 1: You want to talk LT. You really want to talk LT.

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Speaker 1: He used to beat double and triple teams Khalil Mack.

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Speaker 1: He's beaten single teams for his sacks. I mean, you

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Speaker 1: know he's not he's not LT. Well, he's a disruptive player.

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Speaker 1: He's a disruptive nobody's putting him in Canton yet with

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Speaker 1: He's fair to say he's ru's a He's a disruptive

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Speaker 1: player in the two thousand eighteen quicksand of Mediocrity in

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Speaker 1: be over emphasizing it that that's not the case. Well,

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Speaker 1: I think the important thing is with respect to the Bears,

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Speaker 1: and this, to me is the big difference between Khalil

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Speaker 1: Mack is a raider versus Khalil Mack as a Bear. Paul,

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Speaker 1: you could argue if you look at who was around

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Speaker 1: him in Oakland, it was the Khalil mac show and

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Speaker 1: if you were able to double team him to your

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Speaker 1: we've got a shot here to prevent him from disrupting

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Speaker 1: Trevathan ro Kwan Smith, their secondary players, which we were

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Speaker 1: just talking about with Oldell Beckham's comments are very good

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Speaker 1: I guess Khalil Mack is a raider versus Khalil Mack

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Speaker 1: is a Bear. It's almost like they're two different players

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Speaker 1: because of the talent around him. Right now, let's let's

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Speaker 1: just say this, right, um, Kiam Hicks has eleven quarterback hits.

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Speaker 1: eleven quarterback hits. MATC has nine quarterback hits, of which

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Speaker 1: Harris and Aaron Lynch. Linebacker. Robertson Harris has two and

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Speaker 1: Off line. What's happening, Christian? Hey, guys, Well this might

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Speaker 1: much you when Eli seem to be getting it going again,

429
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Speaker 1: and he goes, look, a thousand yards is never a

430
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Speaker 1: goal for me, that's automatic. I already have a thousand

431
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Speaker 1: tattooed on my arm. I didn't ask to see it

432
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Speaker 1: because there's a lot of them there and I think

433
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Speaker 1: it would take quite quite a while at the cipher

434
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Speaker 1: which one is which. But he goes, no, he goes,

435
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Speaker 1: you know, a thousand that's you know, that's he goes

436
00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:56,639
Speaker 1: two thousand is more of a goal than that. So yeah,

437
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Speaker 1: I mean Odell Beckham Jr. In my opinion, I half

438
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Speaker 1: at those who say, you know, why didn't they go

439
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:07,680
Speaker 1: to Odell more in a big spot, um, and especially

440
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Speaker 1: in the second half, Well, guess what on the potential

441
00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:12,280
Speaker 1: go ahead touchdown with five and a half minutes to

442
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Speaker 1: go on third down in the most critical play of

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Speaker 1: the game for the Giants offense, Ali Manning went back

444
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Speaker 1: to throw, had man to man coverage. John Beckham threw

445
00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:25,359
Speaker 1: to him in the end zone. O'Dell's jersey got tugged twice.

446
00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:30,920
Speaker 1: They prevented the incompletion. Uh, no call. Giants settled for

447
00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:34,040
Speaker 1: a field goal and a tie game. I mean, that

448
00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:37,560
Speaker 1: was the most important, critical offensive play of the entire game,

449
00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:43,280
Speaker 1: and they had Odell and it didn't work out. Again,

450
00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:46,119
Speaker 1: no call on the two jersey tugs. It is what

451
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:49,480
Speaker 1: it is. But they threw it to the right guy,

452
00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:52,000
Speaker 1: and they had man to man coverage, and it was

453
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Speaker 1: the right route in the end zone, and the ball

454
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Speaker 1: was a pretty well thrown ball, and for obvious reasons,

455
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Speaker 1: the play did not connect. Apparently some other people didn't

456
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Speaker 1: see those obvious reasons. But if that play happens, do

457
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:09,399
Speaker 1: you suppose there's a single writer who's complaining on Monday

458
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Speaker 1: morning about O'Dell not getting enough targets. If he catches

459
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Speaker 1: the winning touchdown pass, well, you know what, it's the

460
00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:16,240
Speaker 1: old story, Paul. If they convert on the two point

461
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:19,120
Speaker 1: conversion from the one yard line, is anybody questioning whether

462
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Speaker 1: or not it was the right decision to go for it.

463
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:24,080
Speaker 1: The conversation always changes based on the results, it be

464
00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:26,520
Speaker 1: the same thing. You know, I'm glad you brought up

465
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Speaker 1: this whole target debate touches debate, because it also relates

466
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Speaker 1: to this fascination with whether or not Sa Kwan Barkley

467
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Speaker 1: is getting enough touches. And I know you and I

468
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,200
Speaker 1: haven't done a show together since this debate came out

469
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,399
Speaker 1: of the last game. But I went back and I

470
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Speaker 1: looked at the snaps in the second half, Paul, and

471
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Speaker 1: I think what's important when people want to go crazy

472
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Speaker 1: over Barkley should have gotten in this amount to touches

473
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Speaker 1: and so far they think you need to put things

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Speaker 1: in context and you have to understand the amount of

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Speaker 1: it bats that the Giants actually had opportunities to toy

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Speaker 1: within the second half. They ran twenty two plays in

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Speaker 1: the second half, Okay, which is an extremely small amount

478
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Speaker 1: of place. Well, yeah, because the average NFL offense is

479
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Speaker 1: going to get over seventy snaps a game. That's the

480
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Speaker 1: way it's more of. It used to be about sixty two,

481
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Speaker 1: sixty four, sixty five. It's over seventy nin So if

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Speaker 1: you go based on the average of seventy twenty two,

483
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Speaker 1: I mean, we're not even the ballpark of half correct

484
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Speaker 1: based on that number. So of those twenty two plays,

485
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Speaker 1: Paul se Kwan was on the field for seventeen of them,

486
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Speaker 1: because remember he was not in the game. Wayne Gallman

487
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:30,640
Speaker 1: was for the second drive of the second Okay, so

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Speaker 1: seventeen opportunities. I'm gonna bring that down to fifteen, Paul.

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Speaker 1: The reason I'm gonna bring that down to fifteen is

490
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Speaker 1: Eli Manning was sacked twice, correct, So if he sacked,

491
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Speaker 1: you're not gonna get the ball to see Kwon Barkley.

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Speaker 1: So we're in agreement fifteen realistic opportunities to get s

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Speaker 1: Kwon Barkley the ball. If you want to look at

494
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Speaker 1: it that way, he got five of the fifteen. That's

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Speaker 1: one third of the touches that realistically he could have gotten.

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Speaker 1: Now would you say that's low for a half Yes?

497
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Speaker 1: Is it low for a star layer? Yes? But I

498
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,880
Speaker 1: think when you take the consideration they ran fifteen plays

499
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Speaker 1: in the second half, what do people want him to do?

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Speaker 1: Should he get the ball twelve of the fifteen times?

501
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,119
Speaker 1: Should he get a thirteen and the fifteen times? Should

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Speaker 1: they not try to throw the ball down the field?

503
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 1: And also, by the way they faced the third and ten,

504
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 1: a third and eighteen, and a third and eighteen. So

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Speaker 1: if you even take it a step further of those

506
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Speaker 1: fifteen touches, Paul is it wise to run the ball

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Speaker 1: on third and eighteen and expects Sa Kwon Barkley to

508
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Speaker 1: run for twenty yards, which he may be capable of,

509
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Speaker 1: but it's certainly not a high percentage opportunity there. So

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Speaker 1: that's the question that I'm feeding back to people who

511
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 1: are constantly going around and around did circles over this debate,

512
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Speaker 1: because I think you got to look at the context.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, one of those snaps that you're

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Speaker 1: talking about, during which they didn't get the ball to

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Speaker 1: say Kwon, they were going to Beckham in the end

516
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Speaker 1: zone for the go ahead, touched okay Son therefore, so

517
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Speaker 1: so then you could even bring the number down lower

518
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:52,919
Speaker 1: as a result of that. Yeah, so we're we're getting

519
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Speaker 1: down to what thirteen twelve now opportunities because of the

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Speaker 1: ones that Beckham was involved. And then when you take

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Speaker 1: it the generation he got five of the twelve. From

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Speaker 1: a ratio standpoint, that's not terrible. That's why you gotta

523
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Speaker 1: look at the advats. It's hard to utilize your top

524
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,119
Speaker 1: talent when you don't have enough plate appearances to use

525
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 1: a baseball in analogy. And I think a lot of

526
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 1: people are just caught up in the box score. He

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Speaker 1: got five touches, but you have to know, well, why

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Speaker 1: did he get the five touches. Well, one of the

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Speaker 1: things that killed their number of advats is the fact

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Speaker 1: that Golden Tate fumbled a punt with timid it's left

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Speaker 1: in the third quarter, and that was incorrectly ruled again

532
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:29,679
Speaker 1: another one of those um and explicable progresses. What they

533
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 1: ruled they were and the truth is that was not.

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00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:36,919
Speaker 1: And and even though they had him uh by the shoelaces,

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00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 1: I believe Simonson had him by the shoelaces, uh Tate

536
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,639
Speaker 1: was still, you know, hopping and bopping around on on

537
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 1: his other leg, trying to do something with the ball.

538
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 1: And it came out, and the whistle did not blow

539
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 1: until after Goodson had recovered the ball. That's when the

540
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:54,680
Speaker 1: whistle finally blew. Now, if that's Giants ball, a lot

541
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:56,919
Speaker 1: in this game changes, because now not only do they

542
00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,880
Speaker 1: have a possession there, they also have better field position,

543
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, a lot of the momentum

544
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 1: that the Eagles were building there early in the second

545
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:09,160
Speaker 1: half gets totally short circuited. Uh. You know, I personally

546
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 1: believe that that Tait non fumble call was the turning

547
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:14,639
Speaker 1: point in the game. To be perfectly frank with you,

548
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,680
Speaker 1: that's when I started to feel a little bit queasy

549
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 1: about the Giants chances to win. I think also the

550
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:24,399
Speaker 1: Eli Manning interception, and you were talking about targeting Odell Beckham,

551
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 1: he actually was targeting him in those circumstances. Malcolm Jenkins

552
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:30,640
Speaker 1: made a great play. It was a very tough throw,

553
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 1: bad decision by Eli Manning. He even admitted that after

554
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,400
Speaker 1: the game you get at least three points there. Paul

555
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,359
Speaker 1: I would argue, I mean, who knows how the second

556
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:40,920
Speaker 1: is gonna play out onto those circumstances, but maybe it

557
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:42,919
Speaker 1: goes over time as a result of losing by a

558
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 1: field goal and regulation. You just don't know. No, it's

559
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:47,239
Speaker 1: a little things like that They add up in the end.

560
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,400
Speaker 1: And the funny part about it is Pat Shermer said

561
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,119
Speaker 1: this the other day. Lands, I don't know, were you

562
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 1: here on Monday. I was not here on okay, but

563
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 1: I did hear his entire place. He said something on Monday,

564
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,680
Speaker 1: and he tried to educate the writers with this, and

565
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 1: he was absolutely right. Every single week, a football team

566
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,919
Speaker 1: on Monday morning is gonna look at their corrections, and

567
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 1: you know what, there are times when they win a

568
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 1: game and they have more corrections to fix than when

569
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 1: they lose a game, because every week there are mistakes

570
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 1: made by a football team. No football team ever plays

571
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,639
Speaker 1: the perfect football game. There are mistakes that you have

572
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 1: to go through every single Monday. But here's the thing.

573
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 1: When you win the game, people tend to think that

574
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 1: either you didn't make any mistakes or there were only

575
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Speaker 1: a few, and by definition, if you lost the game,

576
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 1: you must have made some dreadful mistakes and there must

577
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 1: be a whole ton of them overwhelming, But that's really

578
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 1: not the case. There will be games during the course

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Speaker 1: of a season where you made more mistakes and a

580
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 1: victory than in some of your losses, because every week

581
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 1: there are mistakes made. On Sunday or Monday night or

582
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 1: Thursday night, during the course of the game, every team

583
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 1: has a bucket load of mistakes. And I think that's

584
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 1: part of the problem here, is that because everybody gets

585
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 1: so cynical, and because everybody is so frustrated and so

586
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 1: disgusted when their favorite team loses. Okay, this is just

587
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 1: a fans issue with their their mentality. They automatically get

588
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 1: inflamed by every little thing that they see that might

589
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 1: have been questionable in the loss, and they don't look

590
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 1: at it rationally and they don't understand that, hey, you

591
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 1: know what, um, this is only a tiny speck of

592
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 1: the big picture. And maybe in the bigger picture that

593
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 1: mistake wasn't as great as you think it was. Maybe

594
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 1: there was something else that kind of led to that situation. Remember,

595
00:29:56,240 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 1: every single coaches call, whether it's defense, offense, is special teams,

596
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 1: is a balancing act. He knows that every call he makes,

597
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 1: every coordinator, every head coach knows there is a risk

598
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 1: reward factor to every single call. If every call had

599
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 1: certainty and no risk reward factor, the game would be easy,

600
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 1: and you'd call the same play over and over again,

601
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 1: and you would know that every play you call at

602
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 1: every point in the game would be correct because there

603
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 1: would be a chance of its succeeding the way you

604
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 1: drew it up. But that's not the way it happens.

605
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 1: And and what kills me is when a criticism is

606
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 1: made over a particular play or particular idea, and the

607
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 1: folks who make the criticism don't go back and review

608
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 1: the situation, understand the parameters, and then say, okay, if

609
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 1: you turn back the calendar to that moment in time,

610
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,479
Speaker 1: you know what, given the risk reward, that was the

611
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 1: best choice. That was the best call. It was the

612
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 1: most logical call. Was it perfect? Was? Of course, not

613
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 1: because no call is, but because it didn't work all

614
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 1: of a sudden, the fan or the writer says, that

615
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 1: was a stupid call. That was a dumb call. That's

616
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 1: the biggest problem when a team loses. Well, and I'll

617
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 1: give you the perfect example, somewhat relatable, the drive that

618
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 1: Barkley was not in for the second possession of the

619
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Speaker 1: second half, Paul. A lot of people are saying, well,

620
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 1: you know Barkley's in, then they have better success on

621
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Speaker 1: that drive. Well, first of all, Wayne Goldman picks up

622
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 1: twelve yards rushing combined on his first two carries. Okay,

623
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 1: so you get the first down. There is not a problem. No,

624
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 1: I don't think that's a problem. Okay, but let's take

625
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 1: it a step further. So let's say se Kwan Barkley's

626
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 1: in and he gets the first down, what happens then

627
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 1: on the very next play Pall after Goldman's two runs,

628
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 1: Soldiers called for a false start. That has nothing to

629
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 1: do with the running back on the field. Soldiers gonna

630
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 1: get the false start whether the Barkley is there, are

631
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 1: Goldman's there, Okay, so now you're backwards, Okay, then Eli

632
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 1: Manning they call for a pass. Okay, it's a solid

633
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 1: throw to Corey Coleman. Paul drops it, he catches it.

634
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,479
Speaker 1: That's the first down, right, he drops it. Go. What

635
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 1: does that have to do with whether Wayne Goldman or

636
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 1: sa Kwan Barkley on the field. My point is, you're

637
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 1: a fan, you're irritated they lost. You're going back to

638
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 1: the drive. How could sat Kwon Barkley not be on

639
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 1: the field. But then when you go back and you

640
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 1: look at it through your lens that you're just talking about,

641
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 1: you provide the context. You realize, well, wait a minute,

642
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Speaker 1: the running back was successful, the execution wasn't where it

643
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 1: shouldn't have been from players around the running back. So

644
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 1: even if Barkley's on the field, they're not necessarily guaranteed

645
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Speaker 1: to move the chains because of the Solder false start

646
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 1: and the Corey Coleman drop and those are things that

647
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Speaker 1: you have to take into consideration, is my point during

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Speaker 1: the conversation, as opposed to Paul just looking at a

649
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Speaker 1: piece of favor saying Sae Kwan Barkley got five touches

650
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 1: in the second half doesn't make any sense. Well, you

651
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 1: go back, you look at the drives. I think it

652
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 1: doesn't make it right or wrong. Okay, you're entitled to

653
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 1: your opinion. That's not what Paul and I are saying.

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00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 1: We're saying that if you're going to be critical, at

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Speaker 1: least look at it through a lens from a big

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Speaker 1: picture perspective. That's simply the point to zero one four

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Speaker 1: or five one three is the telephone number. Max is

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Speaker 1: in Newark. Max. Welcome to the Big Blue Kick Off Live.

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Speaker 1: What's happening? Thanks guys, thanks for my call of h

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Speaker 1: I had a question, well, I had a commentent in

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Speaker 1: a question that I'll take off the line because my

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00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 1: schoons about the guy. Um, I believe the biggest part

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Speaker 1: of the Sunday this game is actually stopping the Bear's

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Speaker 1: running attack. Um. We do have a they do have

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Speaker 1: a backup quarterback, and I think if they could be successful,

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00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: we're running forward at the middle like other teams have been,

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00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 1: they'll hold a big power for us, especially with the

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00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 1: Bear's defense seemed to where they are that thing said,

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Speaker 1: My question is how do you how do you think

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Speaker 1: our defense would bear against the running attack, which, as

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Speaker 1: you mentioned before, might feel a little bit marginal, But

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Speaker 1: I think Howard had an advantage up the middle against

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Speaker 1: um our front if they played the way that did

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Speaker 1: some other games. And my question, you got it and

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Speaker 1: appreciate the phone call. Max, thanks so much for weighing in. Well,

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Speaker 1: if you go back and you look at the Eagles game, Paul,

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00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 1: I think of that drive seven place sixty one yards.

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00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 1: They ran the ball six times and it felt like

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00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,240
Speaker 1: every single run was right up the gut with Josh Adams.

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00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,760
Speaker 1: So yeah, if you're the Giants defense and you're also

681
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 1: the Bears offense, copycat league, you're Chicago, why not test

682
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,359
Speaker 1: the Giants defense up the middle. That's something that they

683
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 1: certainly have to show up heading into this game, you know,

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Speaker 1: in terms of trying to fix that. Coach Betcher, the

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Speaker 1: defensive coordinator, had mentioned to us earlier today that he thought,

686
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Speaker 1: specifically on that final drive that guys were pressing they

687
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 1: were trying to do too much. They knew it was

688
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 1: crunch time, they knew it was time that they had

689
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Speaker 1: to stop them. The game was on the line. And

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00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 1: he thought that psychologically, you know, certainly the Giants had

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00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 1: some trouble with run fits. There's no question about that.

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna I'm not gonna try to sugarcoat that

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00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 1: they did have some of those. But he said, he

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Speaker 1: thought that there were guys who kept thinking about, this

695
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Speaker 1: is crunch time, Gotta make a play, gotta make a play,

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00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 1: and as a result, they got themselves caught out of position,

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00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,840
Speaker 1: and and also they got sloppy with their technique because

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00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 1: they were so wrapped up in I gotta make this play.

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00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 1: I gotta make this play. And what happens when you

700
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 1: get tight, what happens when you get all intense and

701
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 1: you get all frantic over knowing that this is where

702
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 1: it's got to happen. Sometimes it throws you off and

703
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 1: then you don't do what it is you're supposed to do.

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00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 1: And he thought that that was the case for the

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00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 1: Giants on on that Eagles game winning drive last Sunday. Well,

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00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 1: it's been a trend, regardless of what transpired, and him,

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Speaker 1: believing that they were pressing on that final drive. Paul,

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00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 1: you go back the last few games, Matt brita heavy

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00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 1: lifting in terms of establishing the run. I mean, I'll

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00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 1: bring up the numbers here. When you look at the

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00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 1: recent running backs that the Giants have gone up against,

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Speaker 1: I mean everybody with the exception of Adams, and as

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Speaker 1: a team the Eagles were well over a hundred yards,

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Speaker 1: but individual runners have really set the tone against the Giants.

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00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 1: Peterson had a hundred forty nine right before the buy

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Speaker 1: and a touchdown. Matt Breeda game after the bye, one

717
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 1: on one in a touchdown, the have a big fifty

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00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 1: something you did, Okay, take off, that's fine, I'll give

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Speaker 1: you that. Peyton Barbara though, was chipping away the entire game.

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Speaker 1: Barbara didn't have a fifty yard run, finished with one

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00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 1: oh six and a touchdown. So you know, each and

722
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 1: every game the opposition is saying, hey, we find openings.

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00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,320
Speaker 1: We're gonna continue to attack the Giants, and you don't

724
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 1: want a coming out party for the Bears rushing attack.

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Speaker 1: Because Paul and I went over the numbers, they don't

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00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 1: necessarily jump off the page, but the Bears will run

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00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 1: the ball to keep opposing defense is honest. You don't

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00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 1: want this to be the game where Treko in all

729
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:39,360
Speaker 1: of a sudden explodes for a fifty yard run or

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00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 1: Jordan Howard to that point. I hate to say it

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Speaker 1: because you never want to make any excuses, but the

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00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 1: trade of Snacks Harrison has been very, very very much

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Speaker 1: filed by the Giants rush defense. You're talking about the

734
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Speaker 1: number one defensive tackle in the NFL against the rush.

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Speaker 1: You take them out of that equation, and you don't

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Speaker 1: The Giants knew when they traded Harrison for a variety

737
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:08,240
Speaker 1: of reasons, that trade had to happen. We've discussed that before,

738
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 1: so I'm not going to rehash it, but they also

739
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 1: knew that they would take a hit there and they have.

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Speaker 1: That's just the way it is. That's reality. Well, the

741
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 1: one thing I will say, there's no doubt about it

742
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 1: Snacks with salad against the run. But I would make

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00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 1: the point Paul that there were holes and cracks that

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00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,280
Speaker 1: we saw even when Snacks was on this roster. For example,

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00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:28,800
Speaker 1: he was there for that Saints game when Alvin Kmara

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00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 1: in the second half had a number of big runs.

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00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 1: He was there when Tevin Coleman had that big rushing

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00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 1: touchdown in Atlanta which was a huge turning point. So yes,

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00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 1: significant loss. But even when he was here, the Giants

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00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 1: weren't stopping the run like they were in two thousand sixteen.

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00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:48,320
Speaker 1: But they've gotten worse over these since he was gone.

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00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: And that's all I'm saying. I'm I'm saying that it

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00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 1: is no coincidence that the rush defense has suffered worse

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Speaker 1: since he was traded. Let's add back to the phone lines.

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Speaker 1: Edwyn is in Brooklyn, Edwin, welcome to Big Blue Kick

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00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 1: Off Love. What do you got for us? Are you doing? Guys?

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00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 1: Um things quickly. The first thing is, as far as

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00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 1: the play calling is concerned, I hear a lot of

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00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: you know, that's we're getting a lot of slaps for

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00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 1: the play calling, especially in regards to that plate towards

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00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,320
Speaker 1: the end of the Ulf first half when it was

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00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 1: thirteen seconds left and Eli through the inso uh, I

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00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 1: feel like a lot of fans, like you said, they

764
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:24,839
Speaker 1: don't take into perspective, like the whole scenario and how

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00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:27,319
Speaker 1: like you know, they expected him to chuck it down

766
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 1: to Um se Kuan for the first down, but forget

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00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 1: there was like only thirteen seconds left, so it's kind

768
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 1: of like that whole you know, they just want to

769
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 1: nitpick at things rather than taking the whole scenario into consideration.

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Speaker 1: You know what's interesting about that particular play. Eli took

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00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 1: the blame for it, saying that he got greedy and

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00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 1: he saw that that Beckham was was going to the

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00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,840
Speaker 1: end zone on the post, and he forced fed and

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00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 1: threw it up there because he got greedy and wanted

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00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 1: to touchdown. So he took the blame for it, because

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00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,919
Speaker 1: that's what he like does. He never blames anybody else.

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00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 1: He always takes the blame himself. It's amazing that after

778
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 1: all these years in the league he continuously does that.

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00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 1: Yet in coach Shermer's press conference, he took the blame

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00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 1: for and said it was his fault because he called

781
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 1: the long pass Tobacco. He got greedy, he wanted to touchdown.

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00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 1: He thought that they could, they could really, you know,

783
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 1: put a gut punch on the Eagles, and he was

784
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 1: sorry that he called that play. So I don't I

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00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,240
Speaker 1: don't honestly know if you want to put more blame

786
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:32,839
Speaker 1: on Manning or on Sherman for that in terms of,

787
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: you know, should they have settled for the field goal

788
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:38,280
Speaker 1: or not. But it's it's a great it's a great

789
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 1: lesson to learn um about when people want to point

790
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 1: fingers sometimes it's not that easy to find the real

791
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 1: culprit exactly. Yeah, because I mean they still would have

792
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 1: been complains because if Eli would have chucked it down

793
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:52,840
Speaker 1: and just and they would have just went for the

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00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 1: field goal, it would have been like, oh, but why

795
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 1: do we take a risk? And there's always something of

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00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 1: you know why. I had some guy and I think

797
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 1: Lance and and and Smelk also had some guy on

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00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 1: Twitter moaning as loud as he could on the Twitter

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00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 1: about why didn't they call more plays for Odell Beckham Jr? Well,

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Speaker 1: how do you know what plays were called? Are you

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00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 1: inside Eli Mannings Helmett? Are you inside coach Shermer's headset?

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00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 1: Do you know how many plays were called in the

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00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:24,399
Speaker 1: game or even in the second half where Beckham might

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00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 1: have been the first option, but the cost of a

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00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:31,799
Speaker 1: specific defense or situation that they had to go to

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00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 1: option two, or they had to call an audible with

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00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage, or because maybe there was a

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00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 1: penalty like when Soldier got called for the penalty how

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00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 1: do you know that maybe Beckham wasn't the primary guy

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Speaker 1: on that play? How do you know that it changes that?

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Speaker 1: Then said the other thing before we let you continue, Edwin,

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Speaker 1: I remember, you know, just throughout the course of the season,

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00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 1: Pat Shermer time and time again, Paul, when he has

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00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 1: gone over plays or has been questioned about targets, he's

815
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 1: constantly said, you know what, there was a play where

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00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 1: the ball went to Sheppard or the ball went to

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00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 1: red ellis in and the initial read was Odell Beckham,

818
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 1: but Eli realized he was double team. The coverage rolled

819
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 1: to O'Dell and Eli chose to go in the opposite direction.

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00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:11,720
Speaker 1: So there are times where O'Dell is the first primary

821
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 1: retard question, and because of how the defense plays, he

822
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 1: just doesn't get the football. And by the way, may

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00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 1: I also tell you it's it's been my understanding, and

824
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 1: I do check into these things. Manning's reads are almost

825
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 1: always right. That's what coaches love about him so much

826
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: because he doesn't make mistakes on reads. Now, you know

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Speaker 1: what's funny when people say, during the first half of

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00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 1: the season, Eli is checking down too much. He was

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Speaker 1: checking down a lot. He was taking the short term

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00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:44,280
Speaker 1: quick release receiver. Okay, but do you know why, because

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00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 1: that's what he was told to do. He was told,

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00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 1: get rid of the ball, quicker, don't take the sack,

833
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 1: don't because of the analytics, don't force the ball down

834
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 1: the field into the double coverage, don't go for the

835
00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 1: eighteen yard pass if you can have the four yard completion.

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00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 1: He was told to do all of that stuff. So

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00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 1: when people were ripping Eli, saying he's coming off the

838
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:09,399
Speaker 1: receivers too quick, and he's doing this and he's doing that, well,

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00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: guess what, he was getting good grades from the coaches

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00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 1: because that's what they were telling him to do. All right, Edwards,

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00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 1: appreciate the phone call. Thanks so much for weighing in.

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00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 1: Let's head back to the lines. We got coach Marvin

843
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 1: on the line in Delaware. Coach Marvin alright, goodness. I

844
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 1: love having coach Marvin on because he understands the game.

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00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 1: Coach Marvin, you are the best man. How's everything. It's

846
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 1: going good to see you same here. It's uh, you

847
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 1: know it's going well. I mean, it was a tough

848
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:46,319
Speaker 1: game to um watching the second half last week. The day.

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00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 1: You guys have so many things going on that I

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00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 1: like to comment on. I don't know if I had

851
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:53,879
Speaker 1: the time it comming on. It's the play calling and

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00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:57,800
Speaker 1: and when you were talking about how plays streakcown that

853
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 1: fans don't understand them, and the running game about meant

854
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 1: the game where last week with Barkley didn't touch the

855
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 1: ball this night. But the person that want to talk

856
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 1: about the uh with the Barkley thing, I think, glance

857
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 1: what the fans are talking about night. You're kind of

858
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 1: second guests. You always second guesting yourself in these games

859
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:21,399
Speaker 1: after it's Ober uh, because the action is going so

860
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 1: fast that people don't know that you can you can

861
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 1: list things because as as my guys are play calling, um,

862
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 1: you're trying to set up plays. And as you're calling plays,

863
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 1: there's not a science is you're just trying to set

864
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 1: the other guy up. I love it. I love it.

865
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 1: Don't go anywhere, Marvin, stay right there. You just made

866
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:46,760
Speaker 1: a phenomenal point that most fans and certainly the writers

867
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 1: don't understand. There are so many plays, especially in the

868
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 1: first half of a game, that are purpose plays. They

869
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 1: are meant to set up the defense for something you're

870
00:43:57,120 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 1: gonna call in the second half, right exactly because I'm

871
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 1: trying to set them up, and um, that's that's why

872
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 1: your running dies. You might run a play on third

873
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 1: down that some people may not think was a good call,

874
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:12,839
Speaker 1: was a bad call. And in some cases you do

875
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,839
Speaker 1: make those bad calls. I mean I've made some bad cause,

876
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 1: like God, I don't know why I call that. But

877
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 1: you're trying to set them up. You may not get

878
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 1: the first down, but sowhere along that game, that third

879
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 1: down is going to come again, and I'm going to

880
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 1: give them the same look, but this time it may

881
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 1: be a big play that busts the game open. And sometimes, coach,

882
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 1: the other thing is you're giving them a play in

883
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 1: the first or second quarter not because you're setting them up,

884
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 1: but because you just want to see what they're gonna do,

885
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 1: because you know that later on in the game that

886
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 1: situation is gonna come up, and you don't want to

887
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 1: be surprised. You just want to see what their set's

888
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 1: gonna be, see how they react. Right like that, that's

889
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 1: like a third and one. You're gonna come out in

890
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 1: one in one formation and you might run the play

891
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 1: right up the middle and they may jams you up,

892
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 1: or if they make you may get through and get it.

893
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 1: But you got to look at what they did. So

894
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 1: the next time you get up there and they know

895
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 1: they've got an idea what you might do, that's what

896
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,800
Speaker 1: come you come with. Check with me, and I would

897
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,800
Speaker 1: give my kids to plays you can kill the first

898
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 1: one that they line up, one way to get you

899
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 1: out of that situation where they can't where they can't

900
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 1: be uh defend you well. So, I mean there's so

901
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 1: much that goes on and play call and then you're right.

902
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:33,399
Speaker 1: Sometimes plays breakdown. One guy on the back side miss

903
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 1: a block. Maybe we break through, Uh he breaks through.

904
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 1: A receiver doesn't block down. Feel so we have to

905
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 1: see those things that say, look, this is what could

906
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 1: happen in this in this place if you do what

907
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 1: you do on the back side, what you missed in

908
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 1: that block, they made the stop, or my guy can

909
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 1: make a beusch down office because we that athletic. But

910
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:57,839
Speaker 1: when we get in the tu when we go back

911
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 1: over that play, I'm gonna tell them I got to

912
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 1: make that play. If there's another team, they make that

913
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:04,919
Speaker 1: play because you didn't make the block. The only reason

914
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 1: he made it because he was a better athlete than

915
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 1: the defensident. So it's so many mistakes that do happen

916
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,959
Speaker 1: on place. It's just that they saw athletics. A guy

917
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 1: makes the right place. Sometimes we make a bad call.

918
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 1: It's a great call long formation. Hey coach Marvin, how

919
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 1: many years you've been in football? How many years have

920
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 1: you been in football? Oh? I mean, I've been studying.

921
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 1: I've been studying it since I was a teenager. But

922
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 1: I've been I was coaching for like fourteen fifteen years

923
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 1: in the law enforcement. I had to get out of it.

924
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:42,720
Speaker 1: Have you ever have you ever coached a perfect game?

925
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 1: Where have you ever seen one of your players play

926
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 1: a perfect game? I never coached the perfect game, but

927
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:54,359
Speaker 1: I had a player that did play a perfect game

928
00:46:54,400 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 1: because of the level a player you had a player player. Mean, look,

929
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 1: James Butler played the perfect game. Uh in Arizona and

930
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 1: again the Super Bowl. Spats told me he gave him

931
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:08,839
Speaker 1: the highest grade he ever gave a player. He gave

932
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:10,840
Speaker 1: him hundred for that game. So he did play a

933
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 1: perfect game. But a team, have you ever seen a

934
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 1: team play the perfect game? The answer is no. You

935
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:20,280
Speaker 1: know you never play a perfect of course not people

936
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 1: look at it and think it was a perfect game

937
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 1: because of this. That's the point, and that's what they're

938
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 1: basing it on the score. So and it's, oh, it

939
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 1: was perfect. Maybe they didn't give up any sext, but

940
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 1: that doesn't necessarily mean it was a perfect game exactly.

941
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 1: It's not as clean cut as people will think it is.

942
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 1: And I think sometimes I would say, like I would

943
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:44,279
Speaker 1: have people's parents or something say something about the game.

944
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 1: If it's critical, like some fans are, I would say,

945
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 1: you know, the best way I can teach you if

946
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 1: you get on a stair and get out there and

947
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 1: try to teach these guys to play, and you'll understand

948
00:47:55,160 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 1: how much work it takes the future eleven people. It's

949
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 1: very it's very difficult to it and to get them

950
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 1: motivated to do those things. Wind should never be taken

951
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 1: for granted. Coach Marvin never, no, no, it's it's it's uh,

952
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 1: it's a lot of work. And you know when I

953
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 1: was you were talking about Eli and his play calling.

954
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 1: Sometimes you gotta remember when they come out of the huddle,

955
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 1: there's a pre read of what they see on the defense.

956
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 1: It's very complicated on their level that no one like

957
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 1: fans can understand. If they could they be coaching you

958
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:38,399
Speaker 1: can't understand it because the defense is the discussing these

959
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 1: coverages so well that you can put someone like Eli

960
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:47,279
Speaker 1: experience can figure it out. So he comes up with

961
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 1: the pre read. He knows the play, he knows who

962
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 1: the primary receiver is. So sometimes when he's picking up

963
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 1: the primary receiver and when they come out of that

964
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:58,880
Speaker 1: playoff to the snap, you know that the defense is

965
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 1: going to start vote into whatever coverage it is if

966
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 1: they describe it well enough, and then that means they

967
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 1: can take sack them away with that rotation of the coverage,

968
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 1: which that means there's gonna be another route off of

969
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 1: that coverage which O'Dell will open up the other receiver.

970
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 1: Hopefully they happen. Sometimes that don't happen, they cover them up.

971
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:22,919
Speaker 1: Then that's when you're check down, come down. So as

972
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 1: uh here Mariucci says touchdown, the checkdown, and exactly the touchdown,

973
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 1: the checkdown, and that's what they're looking for. And then

974
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:34,840
Speaker 1: of course, coach Marvin, you get to play where the

975
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 1: receiver runs the play, the quarterback sees it, there's a

976
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:40,440
Speaker 1: penalty on the play, and the official decides not to

977
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:43,919
Speaker 1: throw the flag. You get those two, don't you. Yeah, yeah,

978
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 1: you just that a deal with it. And I argue

979
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:51,360
Speaker 1: about play calling, I mean, referee in games, and you

980
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:54,759
Speaker 1: know i'd be respectful, but sometimes I've gotten a little

981
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:59,319
Speaker 1: mask peak. It happens to everybody. Listen, it's the it's

982
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 1: the human elm into the game. I'll say something comical

983
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 1: to him. I'll say something like, you guys need to

984
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 1: put a mask on when you go get your check

985
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 1: from here, because you're robbing me today. You know, I'll

986
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:12,799
Speaker 1: say something smart to them, but they do. They best

987
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 1: do that humans too, And and it happens you just somehow,

988
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:19,360
Speaker 1: even though it frustrates you, it makes you mad, you

989
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 1: gotta figure a way how to overcome it and come

990
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 1: up with another play that can help you overcome it.

991
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 1: And if you keep in your mindset that that play

992
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:32,319
Speaker 1: that car hurts your team, that's what you ain't gonna

993
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:34,279
Speaker 1: never get over it. To the game. You can still

994
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:37,279
Speaker 1: be talking about if that play didn't happen, we would

995
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 1: have done this well. Listen, Good teams overcome bad calls.

996
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:42,919
Speaker 1: As I always say that, that's the bottom line. Listen,

997
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,440
Speaker 1: we we we got to get you a few more calls,

998
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 1: so we appreciate your way in and the only thing

999
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 1: I would say about that is because of the quick

1000
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 1: sand of mediocrity in the league, and there are so

1001
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:56,840
Speaker 1: many teams that are simply mediocre, there aren't enough teams

1002
00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 1: right now that are that good that can continue with

1003
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 1: overcome suspect officiating. Well, and more games, more games now

1004
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 1: than ever before, are heavily influenced by either calls or

1005
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 1: non calls. Then in the history of the NFL, I

1006
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:16,759
Speaker 1: really believe. But keeping it specifically to the Giants, I

1007
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 1: think this year, this Giants team, as we've seen, because

1008
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:22,280
Speaker 1: of their issues, is not good enough to overcome bad calls.

1009
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:24,279
Speaker 1: Most teams in the league are. Yeah, I mean there's

1010
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 1: certainly there's gonna be teams like the Saints and the

1011
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:29,239
Speaker 1: Rams who are prolific offenses that I think, you know,

1012
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 1: one bad drive, one bad call can find a way.

1013
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:34,399
Speaker 1: Doesn't mean it's gonna be easy, but can find the way.

1014
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:36,319
Speaker 1: The Giants, I just don't think right now or at

1015
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 1: that same level, and that's why we've seen that throughout

1016
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 1: the season. Let's go to Joe and Pennsylvania. Joe, what's happening? Uh,

1017
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 1: I'm just talking about I just want to refer to

1018
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:51,400
Speaker 1: what you are talking about. You talked about snacks Harrison. Uh.

1019
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 1: Paul says, you know it's a mistake because they're running

1020
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:57,279
Speaker 1: game and you and you said, well back then, this

1021
00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:00,880
Speaker 1: and this and that. Uh, we weren't doing as well anyway.

1022
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 1: They were running on us. But our offense plants at

1023
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:08,920
Speaker 1: that time was not doing nothing. We had you know

1024
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 1: what I mean, we did not have the ball, control

1025
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 1: the ball at all. And you see our offensive line

1026
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:17,840
Speaker 1: was terrible. The big thing I think in that trade,

1027
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 1: it's just and I never want to see the Giants

1028
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 1: do it again. It's to me, it's like thrown in

1029
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 1: the towel when you trade key players when you're not

1030
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:29,840
Speaker 1: improving your team for this year and we still had chances.

1031
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 1: I don't care what you say. They threw in the

1032
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 1: towel early and and and that hurt. It's set the

1033
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:38,799
Speaker 1: tone and it's bad, and I hope they never do

1034
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 1: it again. I mean, listen, we we've gone over the

1035
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 1: ins and outs of the trade, and a lot of

1036
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 1: it had to do with collecting draft picks and thinking

1037
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:48,759
Speaker 1: about the future going for next year. You're thrown in

1038
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:51,880
Speaker 1: the townel. Well, but but Joe, they made that trade,

1039
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:54,400
Speaker 1: when they made that trade the team was a number

1040
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 1: of games below five hundreds. Yeah, I understand that. And

1041
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 1: then and and joke, they're still hold. But if we

1042
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 1: would have won this Eagle game, no bad tone. No,

1043
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 1: I completely disagree with you. If they if they would joke, Joe,

1044
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 1: if they would have won the Eagles game, yes, mathematically

1045
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:15,440
Speaker 1: they'd still be alive. They're still mathematically alive. But the

1046
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 1: bottom line is the bottom line is they have not

1047
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 1: won a game within the division. So every game that

1048
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 1: you're taking to consideration within the standings, they're an additional

1049
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 1: game back. They lost all three of their divisional games

1050
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:27,240
Speaker 1: in the first half of the season, so when everybody

1051
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:29,480
Speaker 1: was looking at the standings, when they were two games back,

1052
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 1: they're really three games back. When they were three games back,

1053
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:33,399
Speaker 1: they were four games back because they would have lost

1054
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:35,720
Speaker 1: that on the type of division stunk. We were still

1055
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:38,880
Speaker 1: too three back from the top. So that's all in

1056
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 1: one key game or so we would have been in it.

1057
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 1: It sets a bad tone. Now, I want to tell

1058
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 1: you about our coach there on that play thrown in

1059
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:51,239
Speaker 1: that uh that long pass for me like too there

1060
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:54,560
Speaker 1: the week before against the Bucks. That set me very much.

1061
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 1: It was four and two on the forty, and he

1062
00:53:57,200 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 1: didn't want to go for it because he was afraid

1063
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 1: the you know what, it would give them momentum this

1064
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:05,720
Speaker 1: this week here we had we didn't need it any

1065
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 1: kind of momentum, and that we had the chances right

1066
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 1: there to just you know what I mean, he throws

1067
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:14,400
Speaker 1: the ball up for an opportunity to score three. I

1068
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:17,400
Speaker 1: don't understand that. Well, Listen, we we went over that player.

1069
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 1: I thought that was a big turning point of the game.

1070
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:22,239
Speaker 1: I said that on the postgame shot. And I'm not

1071
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:24,080
Speaker 1: disagreeing with you, and I just want to leave you

1072
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:26,400
Speaker 1: one more thing here. I can see why the fans

1073
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:29,439
Speaker 1: are upset. I know Barkley only touched the ball fight time.

1074
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:32,840
Speaker 1: The key. You could put this on on the bulletin board.

1075
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:36,239
Speaker 1: The Eagles never stopped Barkley, so you can put it

1076
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:39,799
Speaker 1: who stopped them? We'll see it. Thank you. By all right, Joe,

1077
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I completely disagree with your point about what

1078
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:44,799
Speaker 1: the Eagles never stopped, say Kawan Barkley. We went over

1079
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 1: possessions where the Giants shot themselves in the foot, so

1080
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:53,680
Speaker 1: false starts, sacks third and tens, third and eighteens, third

1081
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 1: and eighteens were basically unforced errors, and when you put

1082
00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 1: yourself in that position, yeah, you can argue the Eagles

1083
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 1: didn't stop Barkley, but that down does not call for

1084
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 1: Barkley to then run the ball up the middle because

1085
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 1: it's not a high percentage play. So once again, context

1086
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:10,839
Speaker 1: is important when you take into consideration why Barkley didn't

1087
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 1: get X amount of touches. Let's head back to the lines.

1088
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:16,760
Speaker 1: We've got Charlie in Portland. Charlie, what's happening. Hey, guys,

1089
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 1: now you have the GM on and you just have

1090
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:22,439
Speaker 1: the coach on. Yes, that's great, they can follow. Yes,

1091
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:27,360
Speaker 1: Timing is everything. Hey, look, you know I can look.

1092
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 1: I mean, we're complaining or people are complaining. Joe was

1093
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:35,279
Speaker 1: complaining that you know, Shermer, you know, didn't go for

1094
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 1: when we're on the forty. He was too conservative. So

1095
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 1: now he gets aggressive and we're complaining that. Yeah, you're

1096
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 1: damned if you do, you're damned if you don't. Right,

1097
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 1: I mean to me, he knows the history of the Eagles,

1098
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:52,319
Speaker 1: he was on the Eagles team. He knows how we've

1099
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 1: lost to the Eagles so many times. And if that

1100
00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 1: we didn't put these guys away and really make a

1101
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:01,800
Speaker 1: play and make it so the you know, he knew

1102
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:04,440
Speaker 1: that if it was close, the Eagles would win the

1103
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:07,920
Speaker 1: game because they always do. So I have no problem

1104
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:10,320
Speaker 1: him throwing that ball in the end Zoe trying to

1105
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:13,320
Speaker 1: get a touchdown and trying to go up like twenty

1106
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 1: whatever would have been twenty six to three at that point,

1107
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:19,440
Speaker 1: or maybe they would have gone down and scored, who knows,

1108
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:21,960
Speaker 1: But I can totally understand why he did that. He

1109
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 1: wanted to put a dagger in into the team. He

1110
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 1: wanted to finally, you know, we needed to finally put

1111
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:31,799
Speaker 1: a team away, and so I totally understand that. Now

1112
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:34,719
Speaker 1: some fans are upset because Barkley didn't touch the ball.

1113
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:37,680
Speaker 1: I think what they're saying is there was one series

1114
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:40,239
Speaker 1: you were talking about it Barkley ran for two or

1115
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:43,440
Speaker 1: three yards and then Eli got sacked. What they're saying is,

1116
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 1: why didn't they give the ball to Barkley again instead

1117
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 1: of trying to throw the path and Eli getting sacked.

1118
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:51,719
Speaker 1: You know that, you know, I don't remember when that was,

1119
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:54,719
Speaker 1: where it was, but it's it's like one of those

1120
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:57,240
Speaker 1: plays they wouldn't have been in that Well, you're talking

1121
00:56:57,239 --> 00:56:59,759
Speaker 1: about it was on the first possession. I'll bring it up.

1122
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:02,520
Speaker 1: First possession coming out in the third quarter, Charlie, to

1123
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 1: your point, first and ten from their own ten. Barkley

1124
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:07,759
Speaker 1: ran up the middle for three. And then on the

1125
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:10,439
Speaker 1: very next place, second at seven, Eli Manning Sacky lose

1126
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 1: eleven and then it becomes third and eighteen. So so

1127
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 1: you're you're staying on second at seven to run the football. Yeah,

1128
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 1: run run it again with Barkley, you know, get another

1129
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 1: three or four yards and then you got a third

1130
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 1: in you know whatever, you know, third and four, third

1131
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:29,480
Speaker 1: and three. Um. But you know, I mean, but that's

1132
00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:32,040
Speaker 1: now the here and nor there, you know, because they

1133
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:35,400
Speaker 1: didn't do it. But and the other thing is about corrections,

1134
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:38,280
Speaker 1: is like, I know there's corrections that have to be

1135
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:41,520
Speaker 1: made in every game, but are we are we actually

1136
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 1: make you corrections or are we actually doing the same

1137
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 1: thing every week? You know? Are we correcting the same

1138
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 1: thing every week? It seems like tackling wise, we are

1139
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:56,040
Speaker 1: trying to correct the same thing every week. Um. Tackling. Unfortunately,

1140
00:57:56,080 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 1: the way it is, Charlie, uh, you know, the c

1141
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 1: b A doesn't really let you work on tackling during

1142
00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:03,920
Speaker 1: the season. So if your team is not a terrific

1143
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 1: tackling team and the from the get go, it's very

1144
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:10,720
Speaker 1: difficult to fix that until the next training camp. I mean, look,

1145
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 1: I just had a conversation the other day with one

1146
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 1: of the coaches, and I won't tell you who it is.

1147
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 1: I said, I really feel bad for most of the

1148
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:22,000
Speaker 1: defensive coordinators in this league because the tackling is so

1149
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:26,240
Speaker 1: sloppy and so suspect. And it's like, even in the

1150
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 1: old days, if a guy made a mistake, okay, if

1151
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 1: he was able to be quick enough and recover, he

1152
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:35,959
Speaker 1: was he was a better tackler than the guys are now.

1153
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:39,520
Speaker 1: So it might be possible that maybe instead of allowing

1154
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:42,240
Speaker 1: a fifteen yard run on a mistake when he missed

1155
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 1: the gap, if he was able to somewhat get back

1156
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:47,720
Speaker 1: into the play, he might tackle the guy after five

1157
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:51,160
Speaker 1: yards and and okay, the guy gained some yardage, but

1158
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:53,480
Speaker 1: at least because he was able to grab ahold of

1159
00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 1: him and knows how to wrap up and knows how

1160
00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:59,440
Speaker 1: to hit the guy, maybe you minimize the damage today.

1161
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:02,880
Speaker 1: If one guy makes a mistake, the second guy comes in,

1162
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:05,240
Speaker 1: he tries to bump him down, or he tries to

1163
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 1: play flag football, and all of a sudden, that one

1164
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:11,040
Speaker 1: guy who missed the gap turns into a fifteen yard

1165
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:13,640
Speaker 1: run because there's nobody on the team who knows how

1166
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:18,920
Speaker 1: to wrap up and throw him to the ground. I

1167
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:22,120
Speaker 1: was watching the replay of the Panther in Seattle game.

1168
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:24,560
Speaker 1: There's one team that can really tackle, and that was

1169
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:28,320
Speaker 1: the Panthers. I mean their secondary, I mean they were tackling.

1170
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:31,800
Speaker 1: They they didn't let anybody get by Charlte I. I

1171
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:35,400
Speaker 1: gave up keeping in my film work, my tapework. Every

1172
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 1: week I used to keep a chart of miss tackles. Okay,

1173
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 1: I finally gave up a few years ago because it

1174
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 1: was to the point where it was so ridiculous. I

1175
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:48,680
Speaker 1: just couldn't do it anymore. All right, And here he

1176
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:53,760
Speaker 1: was the thing you could almost chart with accuracy. A

1177
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:58,440
Speaker 1: team that had six or seven miss tackles or fewer

1178
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:03,040
Speaker 1: in a game usually had a very good chance to win.

1179
01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:06,920
Speaker 1: It was almost as good as the turnover stack. Really,

1180
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:10,080
Speaker 1: it was that good. And then you'd say, okay, let's

1181
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:13,240
Speaker 1: see how many of the games did this team lose

1182
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:15,600
Speaker 1: so far this year? You look, all right, let me

1183
01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:17,919
Speaker 1: go back and see how many miss tackles in each game,

1184
01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:24,200
Speaker 1: and you know what you'd find, Charlie, twelve, eleven, ten, fourteen.

1185
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:27,560
Speaker 1: It's like, are you kidding me? This is in a coincidence.

1186
01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:31,120
Speaker 1: It actually does correlate. And it got to the point

1187
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:33,720
Speaker 1: where a few years ago then the numbers were just

1188
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 1: hitting double digits too often. I'm like, there's no point

1189
01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:39,760
Speaker 1: in even doing this anymore, because there's you know, teams

1190
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:42,919
Speaker 1: aren't even having five or six or seven games during

1191
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:45,800
Speaker 1: the course of the season where they actually tackle well

1192
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:50,640
Speaker 1: enough that you can delineate a difference. Everybody's missing like

1193
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:54,240
Speaker 1: ten tackles a game. Now, it's just ridiculous. Well, and Charlie,

1194
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:56,440
Speaker 1: you're right, I mean, miss tackling is certainly impacted the

1195
01:00:56,440 --> 01:00:58,880
Speaker 1: Giants the Panthers. You brought up, Charlie when you were

1196
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 1: saying you were watching the Seahawk game. Will go back

1197
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:02,960
Speaker 1: to that Giants Panthers game. How many mistackles did the

1198
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:06,280
Speaker 1: Giants have on defense where Caroline was bouncing off the defenders?

1199
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:09,720
Speaker 1: And then last week last week, did zach Ertz play

1200
01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:12,920
Speaker 1: zach Ertz. It's a short pass, he gets past one

1201
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:14,960
Speaker 1: guy and then he cuts through two defenders and gets

1202
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:16,320
Speaker 1: it to the end zone. I mean, it probably would

1203
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:19,040
Speaker 1: have been a five yard catch you bring him down.

1204
01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:21,560
Speaker 1: Instead he winds up getting into Anson for fifteen yards out.

1205
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:23,840
Speaker 1: So yeah, those things make a difference, There's no doubt

1206
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:27,400
Speaker 1: about it. Yeah, And uh, you know the other thing

1207
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:30,160
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say is that, you know, I mean,

1208
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:34,120
Speaker 1: good coordinators like Sean Payton and those people, or even

1209
01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:37,440
Speaker 1: the guy in Pittsburgh, they seem to get their guy open,

1210
01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:40,720
Speaker 1: like you know, a b gets open somehow, They'll get

1211
01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:43,600
Speaker 1: the ball to him even though he's doubled team probably

1212
01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:47,040
Speaker 1: the whole game. They'll find a way, a scheme, something

1213
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:49,240
Speaker 1: to get him open. And we got to do that

1214
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:51,880
Speaker 1: with Odell. We've got to find a way to get

1215
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:55,240
Speaker 1: this guy open and utilize him that way. And and

1216
01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:58,400
Speaker 1: other teams get their stars open. They'll do it even

1217
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:01,480
Speaker 1: if they're double team who o Jones, they double team

1218
01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:03,920
Speaker 1: him all the time, but they'll find a way to

1219
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:06,560
Speaker 1: get this guy. Okay, hold on out, Charlie, hold on,

1220
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:09,520
Speaker 1: hold on, I gotta I gotta put the brakes on

1221
01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:12,320
Speaker 1: you here, because Julio Jones up until like Week nine

1222
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:14,840
Speaker 1: of this season didn't have a touchdown catch. So if

1223
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:16,920
Speaker 1: he's getting so open, all the time, and the Falcons

1224
01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:19,040
Speaker 1: are so creative. How come you couldn't find the end zone?

1225
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:22,360
Speaker 1: You know? And by the way, and all right, but

1226
01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:25,600
Speaker 1: but but predominantly this season's got three touchdowns in the

1227
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:29,320
Speaker 1: last so predominantly this season he hasn't found the end zone.

1228
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:32,240
Speaker 1: So that's that that kind of contradicts your remark. And

1229
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:34,920
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, look at how many times

1230
01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:37,480
Speaker 1: about two or three years ago, people were thinking that

1231
01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:40,600
Speaker 1: Philip Rivers was done because the Charges offensive line was

1232
01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:43,080
Speaker 1: a joke. They didn't have a running game going, and

1233
01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:45,680
Speaker 1: Philip Rivers was all of a sudden a terrible quarterback.

1234
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:49,120
Speaker 1: Well guess what, the Chargers decided to build up their

1235
01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:51,400
Speaker 1: line a little bit. They decided to add a running

1236
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:54,160
Speaker 1: game again. And now Philip Rivers is supposedly one of

1237
01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:57,720
Speaker 1: those guys who's beating Father Time. I mean, this stuff,

1238
01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:01,400
Speaker 1: it's so simple, but people ignore it when they want

1239
01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:05,280
Speaker 1: to criticize. Yeah, I I agree, And I'm not just

1240
01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:08,440
Speaker 1: saying get Odell open so we score touchdowns every time

1241
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:11,120
Speaker 1: he gets the ball. I'm just saying, you know, I mean,

1242
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:14,120
Speaker 1: thirty yard pass or twenty yard pass is just as

1243
01:03:14,160 --> 01:03:17,280
Speaker 1: good getting us down the field. You know, but I'm

1244
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:21,400
Speaker 1: just saying, good coordinators will find a way to get

1245
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:24,840
Speaker 1: their star player open and and get him the ball.

1246
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:26,920
Speaker 1: And I just think we need to do that more

1247
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:30,800
Speaker 1: with Odell and you know, hopefully Sherman, we'll figure that

1248
01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:34,000
Speaker 1: out and uh hey, let's see what happens. You know,

1249
01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:36,800
Speaker 1: I gotta film. We're gonna beat the Bears. Um. I

1250
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:39,520
Speaker 1: just think it's a good matchup for us. Not mac

1251
01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:43,040
Speaker 1: of course, but I think offensively and if our defense

1252
01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:46,320
Speaker 1: can finally, uh you know, get their act together here

1253
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:47,880
Speaker 1: a little bit and play like they did in the

1254
01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:51,600
Speaker 1: first two or three games this year, I think, Uh,

1255
01:03:51,720 --> 01:03:53,560
Speaker 1: I think we can beat these guys. And I was

1256
01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:56,000
Speaker 1: gonna say one thing. There's one thing we can look

1257
01:03:56,040 --> 01:03:59,200
Speaker 1: at on this team, the New York Giants, we have

1258
01:03:59,480 --> 01:04:04,920
Speaker 1: a good special team that our special team is Ros

1259
01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:09,800
Speaker 1: is great, Hunter is great, Our return team is good.

1260
01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:13,800
Speaker 1: I mean even you know, our special team has been

1261
01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:16,440
Speaker 1: a weakness. It has not a weakness anymore on this

1262
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:19,160
Speaker 1: New York. I agree with you, Charlie and appreciate that.

1263
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:22,160
Speaker 1: We'll let you go on that point. We're fast. Process

1264
01:04:22,200 --> 01:04:24,760
Speaker 1: has had a sensational year. Dixon has had a really

1265
01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:27,840
Speaker 1: good year. The return game came to life when Henderson

1266
01:04:28,040 --> 01:04:32,400
Speaker 1: and Coleman took care of the punts and the kickoff returns. Unfortunately,

1267
01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:35,520
Speaker 1: Henderson's now out with the shoulder. He's he's probably not

1268
01:04:35,560 --> 01:04:37,720
Speaker 1: going to play again the rest of the season. Um

1269
01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:40,360
Speaker 1: So that is to be a little bit more fair

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Speaker 1: about the special teams. They haven't been great old season.

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Speaker 1: The returns were not good earlier. It was that was

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Speaker 1: the turning point when they called up Henderson and then

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Speaker 1: acquired Coleman and allowed him to return. Kickoff coverage has

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Speaker 1: been sporadic, good at times, not so good at other times.

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Speaker 1: Just to be fair, the only other remark I want

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Speaker 1: to make. Remember when every coordinator says I'm going to

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Speaker 1: do everything I can to scheme my star player open,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna take time to run those plays. And if

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Speaker 1: the coordinator does not believe that his offensive line has

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Speaker 1: the reliability and the capability of giving him a chance

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Speaker 1: to run a certain diagram to get that guy open,

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Speaker 1: chances are he's gonna shy away from it, and he's

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Speaker 1: gonna be more simplistic and he's not going to be

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Speaker 1: as creative because he's not gonna think his quarterback has

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Speaker 1: the time to get the guy the ball under the

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Speaker 1: circumstances that he's trying to create. Understand that, and I

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Speaker 1: believe that the Giants fourth mechanation of their offensive line,

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Speaker 1: which they're playing with now, is the first one that

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Speaker 1: I believe they have real confidence in to allow them

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Speaker 1: to open up the playbook and get the ball down

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Speaker 1: the field. Bs you brought up and we were talking

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Speaker 1: about this earlier early in the season, Eli Manning being

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Speaker 1: told to dump it off because he just didn't have

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Speaker 1: time to survey the field. Whereas if you're bringing the

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Speaker 1: Steelers to this conversation, which is what Charlie mentioned, you're

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Speaker 1: talking about arguably one of the best offensive lines at

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Speaker 1: football that Ben Roethlisberger has. Juju Smith Schuster's emergence has

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Speaker 1: also been a huge advantage to Antonio Brown. Look up

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Speaker 1: the numbers, Juju actually, and I brought him up while

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Speaker 1: we were talking to Charlie. Juju is the leading receiver

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Speaker 1: on that team in terms of receptions and he's only

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Speaker 1: about ten yards behind Antonio Brown ten targets, excuse me,

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Speaker 1: behind Antonio Brown, and he's got more receiving yards and

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Speaker 1: Antonio Brown. So you know, the dynamics of a team

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Speaker 1: and how the utilized personnel the offensive line. The running

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Speaker 1: game also determines how successful you are and getting the

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Speaker 1: football to your start player no doubt about that. A reminder,

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