1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to stuff 2 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:18,759 Speaker 1: I've never told your production of I Heart Radio. And 3 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 1: today's date is August third. I'm pretty sure you're you're on. 4 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 1: I know you're looking at me with questions and I'm like, yeah, 5 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: let me go ahead and prepare. It is August, and 6 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 1: we wanted to include the date in here because we're 7 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:37,240 Speaker 1: doing another update episode. But we're going to talk about 8 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 1: a roundup of things that have caught our attention. But 9 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 1: in doing this episode, I've realized we haven't done one 10 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 1: of these in a hot minute, because we're talking about 11 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:49,559 Speaker 1: some stuff that happened in February. Yeah, very briefly, it's 12 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 1: been a minute. We are also going to talk about 13 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 1: some sexual assault and harassment in a court case. We're 14 00:00:56,720 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 1: not gonna go to in depth, but just f y 15 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 1: I trigger morning. If you're not feeling that today, we 16 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 1: can also like, heads up that part if you want 17 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:07,399 Speaker 1: to listen to the other stuff. But not that totally cool. 18 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 1: We did want to start with an update on the Olympics, 19 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 1: which we promised we would talk about more in a 20 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 1: recent Women Around the World, So let's start with a 21 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 1: story about Norway. Pink and bikini's let's do it all right. 22 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 1: So women on Norway's beach handball team are being fined 23 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:30,679 Speaker 1: one and fifty euros, which is about one and seventy 24 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 1: u S dollars per player, for quote improper clothing when 25 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 1: they wore shorts instead of bikini bottoms during their bronze 26 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 1: medal match against Spain in the Olympics. Alongside Olympic officials, 27 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:46,479 Speaker 1: the International Handball Federation released this statement. All efforts will 28 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 1: be taken in order to further promote the sport. This 29 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 1: includes the ideal presentation of the sport and by that 30 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 1: includes the outfit of the players. So the team and 31 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: given advanced notice on their plans wear shorts instead of 32 00:01:57,400 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 1: bikini bottoms, and while they lost the match, they said 33 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 1: they were out of taking a firm stance by wearing 34 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 1: the shorts. They released a statement of their own. We 35 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 1: are overwhelmed by the attention and support from all over 36 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 1: the world. We really hope this will result in a 37 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:13,919 Speaker 1: change of this nonsense rule. The players have argued that 38 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 1: the bikini bottoms aren't practical for a support that often 39 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 1: necessitates women diving into the sand, and that further it's 40 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:23,679 Speaker 1: just plain degrading to women. Many women athletes, professional and 41 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 1: not have shared their experiences being sexualized based on their uniforms, 42 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:30,799 Speaker 1: feeling embarrassed and even discouraged from competing, and some even 43 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 1: said they walked away entirely because of it. Right, this 44 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 1: kind of reminds me of the whole incidents in a 45 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 1: league of their own when they're flighting and all the 46 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: bruising because they're not wearing pants. Yeah, ridiculous, y'all, just ridiculous. Um. 47 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: And here are the official International Handball Federation rules for 48 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: men shorts that fall no longer than ten centimeters about 49 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:56,640 Speaker 1: four inches above their knees. But for women, quote, female 50 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 1: athletes must wear bikini bottoms with a close fit and 51 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 1: on an upward angle toward the top of the leg. 52 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 1: The side with must be of a maximum of ten centimeters. 53 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 1: They're also required to wear middrift bearing tops. Side by 54 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 1: side picture of the men's team and the women's team 55 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 1: is obviously very revealing. And again, the sport is relatively new, 56 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 1: so these rules were formulated pretty recently in the nineteen eighties. 57 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 1: I feel like, again, if we learned this lesson way back, when, 58 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 1: why are we here? Whatever the organizations in charge are 59 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 1: arguing that this whole thing was essentially employed to get 60 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 1: more publicity, that no one is officially pushing to update 61 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 1: the rules, which is dumb. The recently formed Beach Handball 62 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 1: Commission has agreed to discuss the clothing requirements at their 63 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 1: first meeting, scheduled to be held in August. Why is 64 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 1: it a conversation? Should just be like, oh, look, they 65 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 1: don't like it, so let's change it, right, Well, they 66 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 1: gotta uphold the proper representation of the sports. Samantha, is 67 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:00,160 Speaker 1: it gonna be a creepy white men discussing but like 68 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 1: to see their butt hanging out? I'm to say uh. 69 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 1: And they really did attract attention and support world over. 70 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 1: The Norwegian Handball Federation president announced that they would pay 71 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 1: any fine, and pop star Pink tweeting her support for 72 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 1: the team, saying quote, I'm very proud of the Norwegian 73 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:21,279 Speaker 1: female beach handball team for protesting the very sexist rules 74 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 1: about their uniform and the European Handball Federation should be 75 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 1: fine for sexism. Good on your ladies. I'll be happy 76 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:30,280 Speaker 1: to pay your fines for you keep it up. So 77 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 1: that's from Pink herself. Um and Billy Jean Kane tweeted 78 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:37,479 Speaker 1: the sexualization of women athletes must stop, which is hilarious 79 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 1: because when we talked about the history of the Olympics, 80 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:41,840 Speaker 1: they were like, no, women are gonna be too distracting, 81 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 1: we can't have it. And then they brought him in 82 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 1: to be distracting. Apparently I know, and I know probably 83 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:51,279 Speaker 1: all of us. I've seen their like, well dress codes. 84 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:53,720 Speaker 1: You get fined like in trouble for showing too much, 85 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:59,839 Speaker 1: and then this is you get fine for thought showing enough, right, 86 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 1: which hysterical once again, because I'm like, we've gotta get 87 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 1: more viewerships, So how do we do this? Women in 88 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:08,160 Speaker 1: bikinis or leotard's that show off as much as possible 89 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 1: and not thinking about, Hey, is this actually pertinent to 90 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 1: their competition? Probably not? Probably not. And I have been 91 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:19,719 Speaker 1: watching the Olympics and I think this is the first 92 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 1: time and I don't I can't understand why it took 93 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:24,239 Speaker 1: me so long to be like, why is it these 94 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 1: dudes are wearing like long shorts and tank tops in 95 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:30,559 Speaker 1: there and bikinis essentially right, And then I was watching 96 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:32,720 Speaker 1: it with my friends and even I don't want to 97 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 1: be like even they but sometimes I feel like I 98 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 1: come out really hard on these like feminists like sexism issues. 99 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 1: But even they were like why why we were watching 100 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:42,799 Speaker 1: the gymnastics and they were like, why are the women 101 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:44,720 Speaker 1: having to do all these dance moves to music and 102 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:51,840 Speaker 1: the guys just like do the thing right? Interesting? And 103 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 1: this is by no means the only sexualized gendered sport uniform, 104 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 1: nor is it the first time one is caused controversy. 105 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 1: I know, like a again, as we're recording this, a 106 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 1: lot is changing in today. I saw a headline about 107 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: like other sports teams joining in on this, so on 108 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 1: this protest. So it's it's ongoing and it is very 109 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:15,480 Speaker 1: hard to to miss when you're watching the Olympics. On 110 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 1: the other hand, some countries have protested overly sexual uniforms 111 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 1: for conservative and or religious reasons, so that's another part 112 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:26,600 Speaker 1: of this worth noting. As of these Olympics, the International 113 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 1: Volleyball Federation updated their rules to allow female volleyball players 114 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:34,160 Speaker 1: the option of wearing T shirts, shorts, one pieces or bikinis. 115 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 1: I remember when I was a kid being like so 116 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 1: embarrassed for and I know this is terrible. This is 117 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 1: all about me and not about them. They probably don't 118 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 1: care about, like having to pick a wedge on international 119 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:49,799 Speaker 1: television because they're type the key bottoms and they're moving 120 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 1: around a lot, right. I remember seeing especially gymnast when 121 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 1: they were in their uniform having to pull it together, 122 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:58,159 Speaker 1: try to get it dog because I don't want that 123 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 1: up there crack. Yeah. Uh well, And that's the thing 124 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 1: is like, even if you don't care about, like you're 125 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:06,679 Speaker 1: not embarrassed, it's just something you shouldn't have to think about, 126 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 1: Like you should be comfortable and be able to just 127 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 1: focus on your job of your profession instead of being like, 128 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 1: oh God, I got another wedgy, where's the camera? I 129 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 1: mean think about it though, for ourselves when we're doing something, 130 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 1: if we have a weggy, that's the only thing that's 131 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 1: all my mind, Like how do I get this out? 132 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: How do I get this out? So could you imagine 133 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 1: performing and be like, oh god, this is a way 134 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 1: up my crack everybody seeing this and it's so uncomfortable. 135 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 1: The feeling alone is so uncomfortable. I will say they 136 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 1: a lot of these athletes handle it with grace. They 137 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 1: handle it with more grace than I would. But uh, 138 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 1: I just don't think it's something we should have to 139 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 1: think about, agreed. And yeah, a lot of this does 140 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 1: go back to what we were talking about in our 141 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 1: History of the Olympics episode with largely male audiences being 142 00:07:56,000 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: uncomfortable with strong masculine women and wanting this like, well, 143 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 1: you can compete, but you still have to be in 144 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 1: your gendered for my male eyes, pretty box. Yeah, Germany's 145 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 1: women's gymnast team were full body unit arts this year 146 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 1: as a form of protest, and as I said, a 147 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 1: lot of other teams are getting in on it, so 148 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 1: hopefully we'll see some changes with that, hopefully. But yeah, again, 149 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 1: it's the beginning of the Olympics. Say here, we're still here. 150 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:31,679 Speaker 1: I know, I'm a pestimus, I'm sorry. And uh. There's 151 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 1: been an outcry over FENA, the organization in charge of 152 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 1: international swimming competitions, who rejected the request of soul Cap 153 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 1: for use in the Tokyo Olympics. Soul Cap is a 154 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:44,440 Speaker 1: product used by Alice during the first black woman swimmer 155 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 1: on Britten's Olympic team. She has an afro, and most 156 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 1: swim caps not only don't fit, they don't protect our 157 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:52,440 Speaker 1: hair from the chlorine in the water, or even just 158 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 1: keep it dry, so soul caps create a larger silicone 159 00:08:55,800 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 1: cover specifically designed for we've dreadlocks, braids, hair extensions, and 160 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 1: or thick curly hair, and explaining their decision, Fina said 161 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:08,079 Speaker 1: caps of such size and configuration have never been needed before. 162 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:12,560 Speaker 1: Uh yeah, this sparked a huge conversation about the lack 163 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:16,079 Speaker 1: of diversity and swimming at another instance of discrimination against 164 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 1: black athletes, just as recently as the twenty six Olympic 165 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:23,079 Speaker 1: Game that Simon Manual became the first black female swimmer 166 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 1: to win a gold medal. And yeah, I thought about 167 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 1: that this weekend because I was actually watching the diving 168 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 1: and stuff and there was only really one black woman 169 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 1: the entire time, and I wondered about her hair because 170 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 1: she of course, no one who really has caps are 171 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:38,680 Speaker 1: in that, so it's a whole different level. But I'm like, 172 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 1: I wonder if she's ever concerned about that, because, yeah, 173 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:45,320 Speaker 1: chlorine is really damaging in general, and especially if you're 174 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 1: doing all these things, and we know the upkeep is 175 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 1: very different for women of color and curly haired women. 176 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 1: I know this in general is a whole other thing, 177 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 1: you know. I was like, does that even come to 178 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 1: our mind? And maybe that's just me being like, we've 179 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:00,199 Speaker 1: been thinking about this and you had a soul cap 180 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 1: issue has come up previously, and the fact that it's 181 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 1: banned altogether. So even like the conversation about the hajeebs 182 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 1: and people being an athletes being able to use that, 183 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:11,599 Speaker 1: that was a huge conversation. I remember, I think the 184 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 1: Olympics too, and I'm like, look, if it's not discouraging 185 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 1: them in their competition, why are you so worried about this. 186 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:21,439 Speaker 1: This shouldn't have to be a thing. It doesn't give 187 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:24,680 Speaker 1: them an edge. I don't understand. Boy. Yeah, And that 188 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 1: was one of the most frustrating things about Fena or 189 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 1: f I and A when they released their statement where 190 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 1: they were like, maybe it gives an advantage and I 191 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 1: was like, what are you talking? Out of touch? Do 192 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 1: you think there's propellers inside of the soul caps that's 193 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:44,719 Speaker 1: just pushing towards the finish line. I don't think that's 194 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 1: how that works, but I don't think it is either. 195 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 1: We did want to touch on Simmone Biles and and 196 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:06,839 Speaker 1: mental health, which we we also talked about in our 197 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 1: Women in Olympics Went Around the World episode. UM and 198 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 1: I will say so I was watching gym the gymnastics 199 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 1: before she kind of dropped out. She did do the 200 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:21,560 Speaker 1: balance being final as we record this last night at 201 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 1: four thirty am, which I loved. I was watching her 202 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 1: commercial for it last night and they're like, you can 203 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 1: wake up at four thirty five am to watch it live. 204 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 1: I was like, no, ill find the YouTube clip later. 205 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 1: But we were watching it before and it was We 206 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 1: did talk about it as I mentioned that episode of 207 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 1: like this is a lot of just commercials and segments 208 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 1: about her, and then it was really painful um and 209 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:48,560 Speaker 1: interesting that they included it, but they had segments in 210 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 1: there where she was talking about being a survivor, especially 211 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 1: when it comes to like Clary Nasser and the whole 212 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:56,719 Speaker 1: USA team gymnastics. And I think I've been reading a 213 00:11:56,760 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 1: lot of articles because I've said I really love gymnastics. 214 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 1: I loved it when I was a kid, and I 215 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 1: love watching it, but it has this really painful thing 216 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 1: now of like knowing there's this history behind it, and 217 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 1: like we were talking about Carrie Shug and I totally 218 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:15,200 Speaker 1: forgot that. After she like stuck that landing with her 219 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:19,679 Speaker 1: broken ankle, Larry Nassa ran out to help her and 220 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 1: so that that hangs over it. And it does feel 221 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 1: odd sometimes watching these things where we're we're cheering people on, 222 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 1: but you behind that person is a person who probably 223 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:36,199 Speaker 1: has been doing this since childhood and went through all 224 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 1: these difficulties to get there. And and I know a 225 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 1: lot of times I never want to like say that 226 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 1: somebody wasn't given a choice, but I always think of 227 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 1: like if I had been a four year old and 228 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 1: they're like, you're going to be a gymnastics champion. There's 229 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 1: no way I know any different or better, Like I 230 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 1: can't consent, I'm a child, but I don't know. It 231 00:12:56,480 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 1: just kind of weirds me out child prodigy stuff. Yeah, 232 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 1: and I don't want to ever say like, I'm sure 233 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 1: a lot of these women love the sport, they love gymnastics, 234 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 1: but it's just odd to me that it's almost like 235 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 1: you don't have a choice, and I'm you know, hopeful 236 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 1: that you could if you decide as you get older. 237 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 1: Oh I don't like this. This isn't for me. You 238 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 1: can drop out. But that is just an odd kind 239 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 1: of tension when I watch it. And yeah, since since 240 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 1: Simone Biles kind of spoke out about why she decided 241 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 1: to drop out of some of these events or not 242 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 1: competing some of these events. There have been a lot 243 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 1: of interesting conversations on mental health, some very disappointing conversations 244 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 1: about it that are playing out. And um, yeah she did. 245 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:42,679 Speaker 1: She did compete in the Balance Beam and she won 246 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:46,319 Speaker 1: bronze as of last night, And we also talked about 247 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 1: Naomi Osaka's withdraw before that, um, and it has brought 248 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:54,680 Speaker 1: up a lot of interesting conversations around the training and 249 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 1: the expectations placed on these women, especially win of Color 250 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 1: and jymnast Ali Risman is been very outspoken about how 251 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 1: USA Gymnastics, the organization has really failed when it comes 252 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:09,320 Speaker 1: to protecting and supporting these women. And yeah, there's just 253 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 1: like story after story of abuse and of pressing women 254 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:14,439 Speaker 1: and girls to give up solid food for weight loss 255 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 1: for instance, like all of these things that are really distressing, 256 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 1: and I do think it's really powerful and needed to 257 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 1: that people are you know, stepping up and saying for 258 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 1: my mental health. And someone Biles was saying like, I'm 259 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 1: going to hurt myself because I Am not in good space. 260 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 1: And I think that is very difficult, especially on a 261 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 1: stage like that, to do. But I'm glad that it's happening. 262 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 1: I'm very disheartened that especially conservative men are like suck 263 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 1: it up, essentially, like you all went to us, right, 264 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 1: and you know it's not just conservative men. Um Michael 265 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 1: Ja got essentially blasted, and thank goodness because the first 266 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 1: thing he said was I have so many someone Biles jokes, 267 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 1: and then like on his own Instagram stories reposted supposed 268 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 1: fans sending jokes, including about Nasser and the abuse that happens, 269 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 1: like they made jokes of this, and it was just 270 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 1: really this this hardening. I'm like, look, you're a black 271 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 1: man with a platform, and sure comedy like stretches some boundaries, 272 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 1: but you are going out of bounds and purposefully going 273 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 1: after a black woman. And you're one more reason why 274 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 1: we talk about the fact that massageur noir exists in general, 275 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 1: and why this term once again it's so important, and 276 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 1: why it's necessary, because what you're doing is exactly that 277 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:30,960 Speaker 1: on top of taking someone who has been through so 278 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 1: much hell, like in general, like I think about her 279 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 1: as being adopted, and I believe she was adopted by 280 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 1: her grandparents. It's a little different because I also think 281 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 1: about just about the like expectation of like being the 282 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 1: ultimate story, uh, an ultimate goal of this and like, oh, 283 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 1: you came from really sad background to this, and you're like, 284 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 1: but that's not what needs to be the important part 285 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 1: of her life is what she is accomplishing. But we 286 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 1: do want to talk about that she had to pull 287 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 1: herself out of these things and what those effects can 288 00:15:56,680 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 1: look like later down the road, and why people think 289 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 1: that she owes him something when she makes a decision 290 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 1: that's ultimately about her health or whether or not she 291 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 1: meets those expectations that she had laid out before. And 292 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 1: and this whole like ultimate betrayal conversation as if again 293 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 1: we are we have something invested with her backing down 294 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 1: or not doing what she did before, and we I'm 295 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: talking about um the fact that she literally created moves 296 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 1: that's gonna be named after her later on down the road. 297 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 1: But even still with that, the judges penalizing her for 298 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 1: being too good, it's just like, damned if you don't, 299 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 1: damned if you do. Absolutely like she is the epitome 300 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 1: of that right now, and what we'd look at and 301 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 1: the fact that the people who are supposed to be 302 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 1: her allies are also the ones that's crapping on her 303 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 1: essentially and making her a villain. And it's just as 304 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 1: a disheartening thing to see. And once again one of 305 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 1: those things like who are the ones that are actually allies? 306 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 1: Who are the ones that are actually advocating? And I 307 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 1: know at one point, like she was not even in 308 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 1: a place when the NASA stuff came out to talk 309 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 1: about herself, Like she literally kind of distanced herself mainly 310 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 1: because of the trauma and again just laying down what's happening. 311 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:11,359 Speaker 1: And I think she was criticized at that point in 312 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:14,640 Speaker 1: time because she wouldn't come in. Why does she owe 313 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 1: us that either, Like essentially she does not owe her 314 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 1: trauma for us to move past whatever situations or to 315 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 1: get answers or to get gold. And it's such a 316 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:28,440 Speaker 1: bizarre thing that we have laid on these ladies. And yeah, 317 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 1: gymnastics and I think ballet, those two are the ones 318 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 1: that you're like, these are really toxic when you see 319 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:37,679 Speaker 1: the levels that people pushed them to in order to 320 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 1: be quote unquote successful. Right, And I mean there's a 321 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 1: lot we can unpack there of just the almost you 322 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:48,159 Speaker 1: have to be a certain age, like you age out 323 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 1: so quickly and I've I've been shocked at how many 324 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 1: times I'm watching and I know this isn't new, but 325 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:55,879 Speaker 1: I'm just shocked how many times I'm watching it and 326 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 1: they're like, oh, she has this like ankle and injury, 327 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 1: and she also tore like all these like tape all 328 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 1: over their bodies and just like really really injuring themselves. 329 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 1: And again, I can only hope it's like something they 330 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:12,640 Speaker 1: like and it's you know, what they want to do. 331 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 1: But there's a part of me that's like you were 332 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:17,400 Speaker 1: a kid when you started doing this, and I don't know, 333 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 1: and yeah, the whole it's just to me, it feels 334 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 1: like another example of really expecting women, especially women of color, 335 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 1: to put aside your trauma and like just do because 336 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 1: when you think about it, like if you worked for 337 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 1: an organization that had the numerous accounts of abuse that 338 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 1: USA Gymnastics did and then for them to be like, 339 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 1: but go on, right, performed for us, and it really 340 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:48,400 Speaker 1: doesn't seem like they're making a lot of good changes 341 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:53,400 Speaker 1: are listening to them. That's particularly, why would you ask 342 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 1: that of someone and to be angry at them when 343 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 1: they're like, my mental health isn't in a great State 344 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:02,200 Speaker 1: right now, right well as Sunny Lee or Sunny Sully, 345 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 1: who did win the gold and then she went on 346 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 1: to win I think bronze and something else. She is 347 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:10,199 Speaker 1: now actually talking about going to I believe Auburn and 348 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:14,200 Speaker 1: competing on the college gymnastic team, which has not been 349 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 1: something they've been able to do. But because you can't 350 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:19,399 Speaker 1: be paid. Well now that's changed, but previously you couldn't 351 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 1: be paid for participating in athletics. And even though she's 352 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 1: not necessarily going to be paid by the school, she 353 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 1: does already have sponsorships being on Olympic teams, and apparently 354 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 1: other gymnasts could not do that, they couldn't participate in 355 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:35,400 Speaker 1: both because they were sponsored already. So that's interesting to see. 356 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 1: And as you're talking about, I really hope you love 357 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:42,119 Speaker 1: this because now you're doubling down. Have you seen all 358 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 1: the pictures of Simone just cheering everybody on. It's so nice. 359 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 1: It makes my heart feel good. They are yeah, and 360 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 1: I bet we will return return to this because clearly 361 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:57,520 Speaker 1: there's a lot going on here um and it has 362 00:19:57,520 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 1: been something I've been seeing in my friends as well, 363 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 1: of like people taking taking a stance on so dramatic, 364 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 1: but like standing up for their mental health and be like, 365 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:06,680 Speaker 1: you know what, I'm not in good space, which is 366 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:09,159 Speaker 1: pretty new and a lot of my circle of friends. 367 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 1: So that's a good thing. But it also suggests to me, like, 368 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 1: what have we been putting up with for so long? 369 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:18,640 Speaker 1: We've been so exhausted. I mean, honestly, I think we've 370 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:21,480 Speaker 1: talked about that several times. With the quarantine stuff as 371 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 1: well as pandemic, like it's pushed up to the point 372 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:27,200 Speaker 1: of realizing, uh, what have we been doing? Why are 373 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 1: we doing this to ourselves? And then this whole level 374 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:34,159 Speaker 1: of again is absolutely capitalistic idea of we've got to 375 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:36,399 Speaker 1: keep pushing and keep pushing to the breaking a point 376 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:39,720 Speaker 1: or we're not truly trying. And that's such an absurd 377 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:43,920 Speaker 1: idea chi chi again, like fail all these things. That's 378 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 1: such a weird like why did we think this was? Okay? Yeah, 379 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:49,359 Speaker 1: I think we are. I think we are starting to 380 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:51,880 Speaker 1: question a lot of that. Um So we'll see how 381 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 1: that that goes. But Okay, here's the part where there's 382 00:20:56,040 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 1: gonna be some discussion of sexual assault. If you want 383 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:04,359 Speaker 1: to to to skip this part, because we're going to 384 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 1: talk about the ongoing lawsuit around Activision Blizzard, which is 385 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:10,919 Speaker 1: the company behind popular games like World of Warcraft and 386 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 1: Candy Crush. After years of stories about the discrimination, outright harassment, 387 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:19,159 Speaker 1: and toxic culture women endured at this company, the California 388 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:22,160 Speaker 1: Department of Fair Employment and Housing filed a lawsuit on July, 389 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 1: compiling their findings after two years of investigation, and it 390 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:30,959 Speaker 1: has made some truly disturbing behavior at this company across 391 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:36,159 Speaker 1: multiple studios and offices public. As a result, more employees 392 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:37,959 Speaker 1: have come forward with stories of abuse, and not just 393 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:41,679 Speaker 1: from Activision, but gaming studios and tech at large. Others 394 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:45,200 Speaker 1: have apologized. Activision claimed that the suite presented a distorted 395 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:49,360 Speaker 1: and in many cases false descriptions of Blizzards past, so 396 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,360 Speaker 1: the details have been pretty horrendous. One of the complaints 397 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 1: in the lawsuit concerned a creative director on World of Warcraft, 398 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 1: alex A. Frazer Abbie. I'm hope I being on staying 399 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 1: that right. His behavior as a harasser was so well 400 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 1: known his office was nicknamed the Crosby Sweet, as in 401 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:08,119 Speaker 1: Bill Cosby. At blizz Con, an annual company vent, he 402 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:11,120 Speaker 1: would flirt with female employees, asked them to marry them, 403 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:14,199 Speaker 1: try to kiss them, call them derogatory names, put his 404 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:18,120 Speaker 1: arms around them, and other men, including supervisors, would sometimes 405 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 1: have to intervene and pull his arms off of them. 406 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 1: Gross His behavior was well known to executives at the company, 407 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:27,119 Speaker 1: but all they did was give him a verbal slap 408 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 1: on the wrist. Common story as of June a phrase 409 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:34,919 Speaker 1: Yab still worked at the company, but seemingly abruptly left. 410 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 1: So by the way, and two characters and some items 411 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 1: are named after him in the world of warcraft. So yeah, 412 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 1: people are protesting that and trying to get it, get 413 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 1: it removed, these items and characters removed, um and the 414 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:51,720 Speaker 1: Blizzard activision has recently confirmed that he left because of misconduct. 415 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 1: But like this week confirmed right, I know, there's a 416 00:22:55,240 --> 00:23:00,119 Speaker 1: whole protest. Didn't they all leave? Yes, we will be up, 417 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:03,119 Speaker 1: but walked out. The lawsuit also gives multiple examples of 418 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 1: women receiving significantly less pay at the company when compared 419 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,400 Speaker 1: to men of the same experience level at the same job, 420 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 1: often starting at the same time. It gives examples of 421 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,880 Speaker 1: women being asked inappropriate questions like you must be into 422 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,399 Speaker 1: freaky stuff? What kind of porn do you watch, often 423 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,440 Speaker 1: by supervisors jokes about how women only got their jobs 424 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:23,240 Speaker 1: by performing sexual favors, rape jokes. Former vice president at 425 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 1: the company, Lisa Welch recunada time when an exec asked 426 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 1: that she has sex with him because quote, she deserved 427 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 1: to have some fun after her boyfriend had died weeks earlier. 428 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 1: Others reported being guilted into sex in order to get 429 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 1: and keep their jobs. Some as young as nineteen. There 430 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:46,400 Speaker 1: were reports of homophobia and racism to The lawsuit found 431 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 1: that complaints to HR were not taken seriously, and that 432 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 1: the HR representatives were close to the harassers often would 433 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 1: take their side. Women who did report were often punished, 434 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 1: held back from promotions. Women who took time off for 435 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:01,439 Speaker 1: pregnancy or childbirds found they received no support and their 436 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 1: careers may be set back by years when they returned. 437 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,399 Speaker 1: A security researcher named Emily Mitchell shared her story at 438 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 1: the time she approached Blizzard's booth at a black Hat 439 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 1: cybersecurity conference to ask them about penetration at testing position 440 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,399 Speaker 1: are pin testing, which is the industry term for a 441 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:21,399 Speaker 1: security audit. The Blizzard representatives asked if she was lost, 442 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 1: if she knew what pin testing was, if she was 443 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 1: there with her boyfriend, and in Mitchell's words, one of 444 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 1: them asked me, when was the last time I was 445 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 1: personally penetrated, if I liked being penetrated, and how often 446 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:35,399 Speaker 1: I got penetrated. I was curious and felt humiliated, so 447 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,360 Speaker 1: I took the free swag and left. She went on 448 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,919 Speaker 1: to become the CEO at a company called Sagita HPC 449 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 1: now Tara Hash, and when Blizzard approached the company to 450 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 1: hire them in Seen, she informed the company's CEO and 451 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:52,439 Speaker 1: founder of what had happened. He sent an email agreeing 452 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:54,879 Speaker 1: to work with them only if they met several conditions, 453 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:58,120 Speaker 1: including a fifty percent massogyny attacks with the money going 454 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 1: to three charities supporting women in technol alogy, and a 455 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 1: letter of apology to Mitchell. You can find the whole 456 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 1: letter online. It's a great read. Blizzard did not agree. 457 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,879 Speaker 1: Mitchell also reported the incident to the organizers of the 458 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,440 Speaker 1: black Hat conference, who promised her they would not invite 459 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 1: Blizzard back as a sponsor, and they have not been 460 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,919 Speaker 1: back as a sponsor since. And just in case we 461 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 1: don't already know, that is a good CEO and good advocate. 462 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 1: Great job. It's a really good letter. And at one point, 463 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:30,119 Speaker 1: the breastfeeding rooms didn't have locks, and men would just 464 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 1: walk in and stare until the women screamed at them 465 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:37,399 Speaker 1: to leave. Women reported avoiding parties because of unwanted touching 466 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,359 Speaker 1: and sometimes of the chess and the general quote fret 467 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,240 Speaker 1: culture of them, meaning they might miss out on networking 468 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,000 Speaker 1: or be punished for not attending. In response to the 469 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,679 Speaker 1: company's poor handling of the lawsuit, more than two thousand 470 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 1: Blizzard Activision employees walked out on July after nearly one 471 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:56,200 Speaker 1: third of employees signed a letter the previous Monday addressing 472 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,359 Speaker 1: their displeasure with the company's initial response. The CEO of 473 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 1: the company's responded with the public letter of his own, 474 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,840 Speaker 1: and the employees responded to that, pointing out that it 475 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 1: didn't address issues at the heart of their concerns. They 476 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 1: cited the responsive executive Friand Townsend, who used to work 477 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 1: as assistant to the President for Homeland Security and counter 478 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 1: Terrorism under the Bush administration, where she publicly defended the 479 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 1: administration's use of torture after she called this whole lawsuit 480 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:25,400 Speaker 1: meritless and old um. After the walkout, she tweeted the 481 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:28,879 Speaker 1: problem with whistle blowing with an article wink and blocked 482 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 1: anyone who criticized it, even employees. She is a sponsor 483 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:38,200 Speaker 1: for the company's women's network. By the way, you yeah, 484 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:41,120 Speaker 1: oh yeah again, this is what we're talking about when 485 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:45,200 Speaker 1: we're like not everyone or allies. People have a rightly 486 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,600 Speaker 1: pointed out that this doesn't seem to match with one 487 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 1: of blizzards core company values, which is great ideas can 488 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:54,560 Speaker 1: come from anywhere. Blizzard Entertainment is what it is today 489 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 1: because of the voices of our players and of each 490 00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:01,359 Speaker 1: member of the company. Every employee is incourage to speak up, listen, 491 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 1: be respectful of the others, and embrace criticism as just 492 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:10,359 Speaker 1: another avenue of great ideas. Mm hmm yeah, let me 493 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:15,399 Speaker 1: block these employees on Twitter, right, this is called hypocrisy. People. 494 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 1: Some gamers and streamers are boycotting Blizzard in response to 495 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 1: all of these allegations. Yeah, and some dev teams, specifically 496 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:26,359 Speaker 1: of of specific games, are also blocking and matching donations 497 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:31,119 Speaker 1: to charities usually about getting young women and girls into tech. 498 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:33,919 Speaker 1: All of this paints a history of toxicity at the 499 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:38,359 Speaker 1: company and of the industry at large. The state of 500 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,640 Speaker 1: California is suing Riot Games too, and we've talked about 501 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,679 Speaker 1: that a little bit previously, and this lawsuit has been 502 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 1: going on since eighteen. The original complaint included this line, 503 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:50,359 Speaker 1: A formal male employee was allowed to remain in a 504 00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:53,159 Speaker 1: position of leadership despite regularly making sexual comments in the 505 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 1: workplace and drugging and raping another, right games employee. That's 506 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:01,800 Speaker 1: that's horrible, um as of now blows or nail right, 507 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,920 Speaker 1: So it's it's one of those things too. Going back, 508 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:06,800 Speaker 1: it's almost the same as the gymnastics, where it's like 509 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 1: we all knew it happening, we all knew this, and 510 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:16,199 Speaker 1: then why it takes a long right, Well, I know 511 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,639 Speaker 1: that when we talk about gamor Gate, and when we 512 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 1: talked about all the women who were big into the 513 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,760 Speaker 1: gaming world, we're getting harassed one actually just recently, I 514 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 1: just saw a tweet were talking about how nothing's changed, 515 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,119 Speaker 1: like it was such a big deal, but there's not 516 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,960 Speaker 1: no actual change other than calling out individuals, so therefore 517 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,240 Speaker 1: not really getting to the root of the problem, but 518 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,480 Speaker 1: just chastising a few and making them scapegoats. And it's 519 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 1: interesting to look at that and be like, yeah, that's 520 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 1: the commonality, and what's happening is we're not getting to 521 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 1: the root of anything. Instead, we're just taking a few 522 00:28:44,080 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 1: of the symptoms out. Yeah, yeah, gosh, just frustrating. So 523 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 1: moving on, we did very briefly want to talk about 524 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 1: the lawsuit between Scarlett Johansson and Disney, because I'm sure 525 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,560 Speaker 1: a lot of you have heard Scott Johanson is suing 526 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,520 Speaker 1: Disney over the simultaneous release of Black Widow on Disney 527 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 1: Plus and in theaters, and it's really complicated. This is 528 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 1: actually the stuff I really love, but I know it 529 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 1: was boring, so I'm gonna I'm gonna shorten it very basically. 530 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,240 Speaker 1: Her lawyers are claiming that it's a breach of contract 531 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:30,480 Speaker 1: that a lot of her compensation would have come from 532 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 1: theater box office, so upwards of fifty million dollars is 533 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,160 Speaker 1: what they think, and that the company was putting a 534 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 1: desire to boost Disney Plus membership over the money that 535 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 1: she is owed. Disney responded, calling the whole thing quote 536 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:46,240 Speaker 1: callous um in the face of a pandemic. They said 537 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 1: stuff like it's so sad that she doesn't care about 538 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:53,120 Speaker 1: all the loss and tragedy, and they revealed her salary. 539 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:57,040 Speaker 1: In response. Reframe, Women in Film and Times Up released 540 00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 1: a joint statement while We take no position on the 541 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 1: business she's in the litigation between Scarlett Johansson and the 542 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 1: Walt Disney Company. We stand firmly against Disney's recent statement 543 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 1: which attempts to characterize Johansson. I am switching back and 544 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,680 Speaker 1: forth how I pronounce her name. I apologize as insensitive 545 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:15,440 Speaker 1: or selfish for defending her contractual business rights. This gendered 546 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 1: character attack has no place in a business dispute and 547 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 1: contributes to an environment in which women and girls are 548 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 1: perceived as less able than men to protect their own 549 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 1: interests without facing ad hominem criticism. Her agent, Brian Lord, 550 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,840 Speaker 1: joined in saying they have shamelessly and false accused Mrs 551 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 1: Johansson of being insensitive to the global COVID pandemic in 552 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 1: an attempt to make her appear to be someone they 553 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,080 Speaker 1: and I know she isn't. Scarlett has been Disney's partner 554 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 1: on nine movies, which have earned Disney and its shareholders billions. 555 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 1: The company included her salary and their press statement and 556 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,440 Speaker 1: an attempt to weaponize her success as an artist and businesswoman, 557 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,760 Speaker 1: as if that were something she should be ashamed of. Yeah, 558 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,880 Speaker 1: and people have pointed out myself as well that it's 559 00:30:54,960 --> 00:31:00,840 Speaker 1: really hilarious of Disney, a company worth over one billion dollars, 560 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,680 Speaker 1: to claim that she's being callous to the pandemic when 561 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 1: they opened up their parts during said pandemic and it 562 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 1: wasn't until recently that they decided to mandate masks. Hello um. 563 00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:15,240 Speaker 1: And also that it's pretty telling that she claimed a 564 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,720 Speaker 1: breach of contract and they were like, nah, you don't 565 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:22,720 Speaker 1: care about people dying in the pandemic. Hello deflection. I 566 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,320 Speaker 1: also think it's really hysterical because they're like, but you 567 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 1: didn't release it at theaters and at the same time 568 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:31,440 Speaker 1: on Disney Plus, so you don't really care if they 569 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,320 Speaker 1: go to the theater or not. So I'm really confused 570 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 1: what you're doing here. Also, not only were you able 571 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,120 Speaker 1: to do this as a movie, you're about to do 572 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 1: a series off of it and getting millions of dollars, 573 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:49,720 Speaker 1: if not billions of dollars. Uh yeah, bra. Also, it's 574 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 1: really funny to see two rich people going after each other, 575 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,280 Speaker 1: but at the same time there is the standard of like, hey, 576 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 1: let's use this sexist way of trying to keep my 577 00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:02,240 Speaker 1: hunting billion dollars within bockholders. Yeah, that's been one of 578 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,960 Speaker 1: the things for me because I feel like I don't. 579 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:09,520 Speaker 1: I can't envision them doing this to their big male stars. 580 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,000 Speaker 1: I really can't. And I also learned a lot about 581 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,720 Speaker 1: how much they make, and I was like, huh okay. 582 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,120 Speaker 1: But like if Robert Downey Jr. For example, Was like, 583 00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 1: you owe me this much money, I bet they would 584 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,320 Speaker 1: have been like, yep, okay, here it is right, Well 585 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:26,600 Speaker 1: what do you negotiate quietly? And I bet it wouldn't 586 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 1: have been had to gone to a lawsuit exactly me too, 587 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:33,200 Speaker 1: Me too, Yeah, not necessarily taking a side, but maybe 588 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,240 Speaker 1: I have. But a few interesting topics of conversation has 589 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,360 Speaker 1: come up through all of this. Once again, it is 590 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,760 Speaker 1: interesting that, like you said, none of her male co stars, 591 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,320 Speaker 1: as of the recordings, have spoken out all about it 592 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,760 Speaker 1: at all, when again they all rushed to Chris press 593 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 1: Aid overly over essentially a joke post and this anti 594 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:54,880 Speaker 1: LGBTQ plus church and then some possibly all the other 595 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:59,000 Speaker 1: things could be as complicated because of their own contracts 596 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,080 Speaker 1: and they already got their money, so why do they 597 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:04,640 Speaker 1: care or maybe they don't agree, But a lot of them, 598 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,760 Speaker 1: again make a lot more money than she has or 599 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:12,520 Speaker 1: is at this point with this movie. And yeah, good. Interesting. 600 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:18,320 Speaker 1: I think she's the highest paid woman actress and she like, 601 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 1: I don't want to get bogged down into this too much, 602 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,000 Speaker 1: but like, she made twenty million for this and R 603 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:27,680 Speaker 1: g J made eighty million for one. Like that's that's 604 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,880 Speaker 1: a pretty big difference, right, And I'm guessing a bit 605 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 1: of the reason why she's pissed is because a part 606 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:35,959 Speaker 1: of that you will get more money is through the 607 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:40,240 Speaker 1: box office cells so they estimated fifty million more but 608 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,480 Speaker 1: that's all gone and wiped away because there was no 609 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,320 Speaker 1: really contention to hey, what happens if we release it 610 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,320 Speaker 1: on Disney Plus, which helped get one of the highest 611 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:54,480 Speaker 1: numbers in viewing. But yeah, so, and they did boost 612 00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:58,760 Speaker 1: their membership. I was looking at and a lot of 613 00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,160 Speaker 1: people included in their articles about this, like the top 614 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,760 Speaker 1: salaries of actors in the world, and almost all of them, 615 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:07,440 Speaker 1: especially when you move past the top five, are men, 616 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:09,600 Speaker 1: and they're all from Marvel movies, and so these are 617 00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:14,120 Speaker 1: like guaranteed money maker, like big money, right, And so 618 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:15,960 Speaker 1: it's not like we're going to talk about this a 619 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:19,000 Speaker 1: little bit more because it is to us, you know, 620 00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:23,279 Speaker 1: it's like millions of dollars. But it is like, this 621 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,040 Speaker 1: is like you're guaranteed. It's probably one of the reasons 622 00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:30,000 Speaker 1: you do markful movie, right, And we've seen other movies 623 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,160 Speaker 1: say we're only releasing the theaters and pushing it back 624 00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,040 Speaker 1: and pushing it back, and they pushed this movie back 625 00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:36,960 Speaker 1: several times because of that, but they still didn't do it. 626 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:40,320 Speaker 1: It's kind of like, what was the motivation here, right exactly? 627 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:44,240 Speaker 1: And yeah, that's that's another thing. Our entertainment landscape is changing, 628 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:46,520 Speaker 1: and it's quite possible this whole streaming day of thing 629 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:48,279 Speaker 1: is here to say, which means we do need to 630 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,319 Speaker 1: talk about this about people getting compensated for that. Um 631 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,240 Speaker 1: Johansson is suing over what some called the old model, 632 00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,480 Speaker 1: which is money guaranteed from theaters, although even saying that 633 00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:03,640 Speaker 1: feels odd because it's not bad old, but that this 634 00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:08,759 Speaker 1: contract and the understanding she entered in was that that's 635 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:10,319 Speaker 1: where a lot of the money was going to come from. 636 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,920 Speaker 1: Like the intent was that's how she was going to 637 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,239 Speaker 1: make this fifty million as estimated. A pandemic certainly does 638 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:19,040 Speaker 1: change things. It's not like we could have predicted that, 639 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:22,120 Speaker 1: or she could have predicted that, but yeah, it's it's 640 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:26,239 Speaker 1: kind of bs anyway, but I hate that this is 641 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,640 Speaker 1: one of the only Marvel movies with a woman as 642 00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:30,799 Speaker 1: the main character, and people are already judging how much 643 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:34,040 Speaker 1: money it made more intensely, like, oh, I didn't do 644 00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:38,960 Speaker 1: some elsee people don't really want to see And it's fine, fine, 645 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:41,879 Speaker 1: but like people are saying like, oh, yeah, see, we're 646 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,680 Speaker 1: not into women as lead characters. That's just how it is. 647 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:46,520 Speaker 1: That's why it didn't do as well as other ones, 648 00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:51,680 Speaker 1: not all these other things. And yes, I know this 649 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:53,759 Speaker 1: is over millions of dollars, and it's Scarlett Joe Anson 650 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:55,960 Speaker 1: who was made some very questionable decisions, and you know 651 00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,399 Speaker 1: is generally the Internet does not like her, and it's 652 00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,440 Speaker 1: hard not to be like, come on, but um, we 653 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:03,520 Speaker 1: are all about women getting what they're owed, and this 654 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,920 Speaker 1: industry is notorious for underpaying women. She is one of 655 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,719 Speaker 1: the biggest stars in Hollywood, and even if the lawsuit fails, 656 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:13,800 Speaker 1: it is pushing visibility around a lot of these issues, 657 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,680 Speaker 1: as it was intended to her lawyers definitely wanted it 658 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:18,960 Speaker 1: to go public. And I was telling Samantha I thought 659 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,359 Speaker 1: it was an Onion article because I was like, who 660 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,839 Speaker 1: would sue Disney, which is a part of the problem, 661 00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:28,480 Speaker 1: and in the words of journalists Tom Risk laughly, I 662 00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,200 Speaker 1: don't care how rich Scarlett Johansson already is. She was 663 00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:33,680 Speaker 1: over through a breach of contract and she should sue. 664 00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,360 Speaker 1: You can't really claim that you support professional women to 665 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:38,960 Speaker 1: demand what they're worth and promise and then be like 666 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,680 Speaker 1: except her, she's doing fine as she is, which is 667 00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:45,799 Speaker 1: what a lot of what I've heard, and I think 668 00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:47,839 Speaker 1: we see that a lot, and that's something we talked 669 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:49,719 Speaker 1: about a lot when it comes to ambitious women and 670 00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:51,960 Speaker 1: how a lot of times the knee jerk responses, but 671 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:55,120 Speaker 1: you're doing fine, so what's your problem? And again, this 672 00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:57,279 Speaker 1: is not our money. Is the money that has been 673 00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:01,240 Speaker 1: given based on her work to a multi billion dollar companies. 674 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,919 Speaker 1: So it's like, why are you so angry, But she's 675 00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,359 Speaker 1: asking to be paid. Well, she's being paid, and yeah, 676 00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,240 Speaker 1: it's way more and it does feel like rich people problems. 677 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,239 Speaker 1: But at the same time I'm like, yeah, but it 678 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,600 Speaker 1: does meet a standard to everyone else. We like, we 679 00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:15,520 Speaker 1: need to negotiate our value. If that's the work I 680 00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:17,319 Speaker 1: put in and that was the intent and then you 681 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,920 Speaker 1: tricked me, then we need to have a conversation about 682 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:26,160 Speaker 1: being held accountable for your stupidity. Yeah, and as others 683 00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:28,239 Speaker 1: others have pointed out if Disney is doing this to 684 00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:32,120 Speaker 1: Johansson as a huge star, which again I thought it 685 00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,640 Speaker 1: was an Onion article, which is really telling that. I 686 00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,320 Speaker 1: was like, no one would dare sue Disney. Then who else? 687 00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:39,840 Speaker 1: Like what are they getting away with from smaller actors 688 00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:41,640 Speaker 1: or even not actors, like people who work on these 689 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,920 Speaker 1: productions who can't afford to sue for whatever reason it 690 00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:48,319 Speaker 1: is even on Black Widow, Um or any other movie 691 00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:50,759 Speaker 1: that went straight to streaming when that wasn't the plan 692 00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:54,040 Speaker 1: when contracts were signed. And we I know people have 693 00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:57,719 Speaker 1: talked about like Wonder Woman eighty four and you know 694 00:37:57,800 --> 00:37:59,880 Speaker 1: what happened with that one, and then Emily Blunt with 695 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:01,799 Speaker 1: um A Quiet Place and right now in the Stone 696 00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:06,279 Speaker 1: and Emily Blunt are contemplating co signing this lawsuit. I 697 00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:09,000 Speaker 1: have thought it's interesting that all these been the veil 698 00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:14,560 Speaker 1: clostars are like nope, not, but the women are like maybe, yeah, yeah, 699 00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:16,880 Speaker 1: And again like we have to look at the record 700 00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:20,239 Speaker 1: of Disney, and the heiress of Disney blasted all the 701 00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:23,239 Speaker 1: stockholders when they let go of so many of the 702 00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:26,640 Speaker 1: employees at the park and gave no about helping them 703 00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,320 Speaker 1: and talking about, hey, you're telling them you can't afford 704 00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,319 Speaker 1: to give them a living wage or helping them out, 705 00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,520 Speaker 1: and all of y'all are getting billions of dollars, billions 706 00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:37,200 Speaker 1: of dollars pretending like giving up your annual salary is 707 00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,160 Speaker 1: a big deal. In actuality, you have been making tons 708 00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,560 Speaker 1: of money just on the shares alone, and it's kind 709 00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:44,839 Speaker 1: of like, yeah, they give no craps about the people 710 00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:49,120 Speaker 1: underneath them. So this could set a precedent maybe later 711 00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,160 Speaker 1: on down the road, hopefully maybe. I mean it's a 712 00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:54,680 Speaker 1: big deal. Like whether or not it succeeds, that is 713 00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:59,120 Speaker 1: a big deal. Right, So moving on, this is where 714 00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:02,760 Speaker 1: we get to our very late, very late on the game. 715 00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:05,680 Speaker 1: But we did want to run through some first uh 716 00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:07,680 Speaker 1: and like we discussed in our Female First special that 717 00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:09,840 Speaker 1: was pretty recent, a lot of them are pretty disheartening, 718 00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,400 Speaker 1: but it's still progress. And also there's all the caveats 719 00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,759 Speaker 1: that we talked about in the episode around first, but 720 00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,799 Speaker 1: just really quickly. M J. Rodriguez is the first transgender 721 00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,320 Speaker 1: person to be nominated in a major acting category in 722 00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,560 Speaker 1: the Enemies, and we'll see how that plays out going 723 00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,080 Speaker 1: way back to the Oscars, Chloe Jo became the first 724 00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,640 Speaker 1: one of color to win Best Director, only the second 725 00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:34,560 Speaker 1: woman to win it ever. Yeah, with her Best Supporting 726 00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,680 Speaker 1: Actress win, Union Jung became the first Korean performer and 727 00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:41,319 Speaker 1: second Asian performer to overall win an oscar. And of 728 00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:44,080 Speaker 1: course all the controversy around the Golden Globes and the 729 00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:47,080 Speaker 1: Hollywood Foreign Press Association having no black people among their 730 00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:52,640 Speaker 1: eighties seven members. So that's a mixed bag. And then uh, 731 00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:54,440 Speaker 1: I know with the Grammys, a lot of people have 732 00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:57,920 Speaker 1: backed away from the Grammys and decided not to push 733 00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:01,240 Speaker 1: any of their songs or any of things and withdrawing 734 00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:03,600 Speaker 1: from getting awards from them because they're kind of talking 735 00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:06,319 Speaker 1: about the backlash of what the Grammys are and how 736 00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:08,600 Speaker 1: people buy their way into getting awards, which I have 737 00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:10,120 Speaker 1: figured out as well as like, wait, we have to 738 00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:11,960 Speaker 1: pay lots of money just to ask them to look 739 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:16,120 Speaker 1: at our episode. Maybe I'm not meant for this. Yeah, 740 00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:18,760 Speaker 1: then they're like, sorry, I didn't like it. You're like, Bomber, 741 00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,359 Speaker 1: I've wasted five dollars. That's not how much is. But 742 00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:24,880 Speaker 1: essentially I'm trying to get you to live like my 743 00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:28,040 Speaker 1: stuff and it's like, wow, that's Oh, that's so disappointing 744 00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:34,840 Speaker 1: because you wanted to be pure. But it's not, oh 745 00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:40,000 Speaker 1: you've gone awards. I'm just saying I think we deserve 746 00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:43,640 Speaker 1: at least one award. I don't know for what. That's 747 00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:50,440 Speaker 1: something most random mix up of topics. Yeah, so this 748 00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:52,520 Speaker 1: is what we have to say for this update episode. 749 00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:54,279 Speaker 1: There's a lot we didn't get to and I'm sure 750 00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:56,880 Speaker 1: we will. If there's something that we missed and you 751 00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:58,480 Speaker 1: want us to talk about or something in here you 752 00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:00,200 Speaker 1: want us to go more in depth, I'm all aways 753 00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:03,520 Speaker 1: happy to talk about lawsuits. Um, you can email us 754 00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,040 Speaker 1: our emails, stuffing your mom stuff at iHeart me dot com. 755 00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:07,880 Speaker 1: You can find us on Twitter at months of podcast 756 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:09,719 Speaker 1: or on Instagram and stuff I Never told you. 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