Speaker 1: Him. Sorry, I'm sorry. Yeah, I'm just I just was
Speaker 1: Eyes of Tammy Fay just ended. Oh my god, Jessica
Speaker 1: the nomination. I'm I'm crying because sorry, because of Jessica,
Speaker 1: because of Andrew Garfield. I was just so moved by
Speaker 1: the film. Hi, Hi, Sorry, Sorry, I'm like, Oh, is
Speaker 1: everything all right? Yeah? I was just finishing Tammy. Have
Speaker 1: you seen it? Have I seen it? I've lived it,
Speaker 1: lived it, lived it. And I was a gaffer. Oh
Speaker 1: you gaff the film? I how do you work with
Speaker 1: all those chords and wires and that stuff? You know what?
Speaker 1: It's so difficult because I learned it on the job,
Speaker 1: and then by the time I do the next movie,
Speaker 1: I've already flown out of mind. I hate that I
Speaker 1: am not production friendly. And it has to be hard
Speaker 1: to to ga a story you lived, you lived, you
Speaker 1: lived that story. Hey, uh, did you ask me to
Speaker 1: sell my life? Right? No? I guess I'll work on
Speaker 1: the electricity of the sad. It's so crazy to that
Speaker 1: started Jessica. That started Jessica, Well, that's actually the correct pronunciation.
Speaker 1: Everyone miss pronounces it. But she stopped correcting people. She stopped.
Speaker 1: It's that thing where she even forgot out of her.
Speaker 1: Oh so you know the actress whatever, the actress Jessica
Speaker 1: chess Stain. What else has she been in? Mrs Sloan
Speaker 1: that it was a big hit, Mrs Sloan, I think
Speaker 1: she was. Was she in the House of card Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I didn't need to bring you should have.
Speaker 1: That was Kevin Kevin what you don't talk about Bruno
Speaker 1: type situation, We don't talk about him. Kevin is persona
Speaker 1: on garratta, which in Latin is what means get the
Speaker 1: hell out of here. Yeah, get the head out of
Speaker 1: dodge person and on grata is translated to don't don't talk.
Speaker 1: We don't talk. We don't talk about her, We don't
Speaker 1: talk about her. Will we have our performance review ready
Speaker 1: for you? Yeah? Listen, Okay, grab a shuger readable because
Speaker 1: you're gonna want it. You're gonna want to You're gonna
Speaker 1: want to chill out for a second. See, Okay, this
Speaker 1: is perfect because there's already so much progress being made.
Speaker 1: He didn't have to like get the can from me.
Speaker 1: I think he might have been, like he's getting big
Speaker 1: for his bridge yourself from the mini fridge in the
Speaker 1: corner of Matt's office. So I think that is a
Speaker 1: step in the right direction. Matt might think it's step
Speaker 1: in the wrong direction because you're going into his fridge
Speaker 1: just saying we're halfway through the series now and it's
Speaker 1: been a huge success. So I'm just saying, stay hungry
Speaker 1: and thirsty as it were. So I took the city
Speaker 1: bus into work today, Okay, like I always do this guy,
Speaker 1: eight out of the nine people on the bus recognized you.
Speaker 1: We get it. I want to get photo with me. Yeah, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: and did you how did you treat him? It was great?
Speaker 1: But the other eight guys, eight out of the nine
Speaker 1: people brought up clown parade to me. Really yes, in
Speaker 1: a positive way? Oh I think I mean four out
Speaker 1: of the eight positive, super positive. Well, it's saying the
Speaker 1: other four and then two out of the remaining four,
Speaker 1: you know, I wouldn't recommend it to a friend, but
Speaker 1: enjoyed it. Other two no, they didn't like it, did
Speaker 1: not like it. But you know what, it's good that
Speaker 1: they have a strong opinion. That makes our C rating high,
Speaker 1: that makes the Q rating high. But it also you know,
Speaker 1: the mean average, yes, reception is not going great. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the media response within a standard deviation of the positive
Speaker 1: points of feedback. We'll then integrate into something that could
Speaker 1: suggest that we're not doing as well as we should
Speaker 1: and therefore you are not doing as well in your
Speaker 1: performance review as you should. So what that's I guess
Speaker 1: why this long walk is to say, our big note
Speaker 1: for you is great job, stay hungry. We're thirsty as
Speaker 1: it were, thirsty as it were. Now we're going into
Speaker 1: our sixth now, sixth person. I think that I think
Speaker 1: I have I think my performance evaluation will will pick
Speaker 1: up slightly. Well, that's not for you to decide, you're right.
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm hopeful. Okay, Okay. Why is Matt always
Speaker 1: like he just watched this movie, just watched Tammy faye.
Speaker 1: I'm on edge, I'm emotion but I know that some
Speaker 1: people like you want to get yelled at by some
Speaker 1: people who truly love you. That's what this is. Hey, yeah,
Speaker 1: I love you now pitch Okay, Okay. So, after much deliberation,
Speaker 1: scouring for young new talent all over the country in
Speaker 1: parts of Canada, I've landed on someone that I think
Speaker 1: you guys absolutely will flip for. Raphael Ing. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: we love I'm in a real chest stain place chess
Speaker 1: sang and what I was alluding to earlier, What is
Speaker 1: he got for us? Well, he's here's a character, Omari Broadwater,
Speaker 1: an eccentric billionaire. He believes he's being recorded for a
Speaker 1: documentary about the success of his fake news empire, but
Speaker 1: he's in for something way more. The truth libelous confessions
Speaker 1: of a fake news writer is what we have matched
Speaker 1: on the docket. So this is us sort of going intomorrow.
Speaker 1: Hard news, hard news, heart fake news, Yes, yes, succession,
Speaker 1: um um succession, Kevin Spacey yes, actually okay, yes, House
Speaker 1: of Cards Cards Yes. And Raphael I mean he's been
Speaker 1: writing and performing sketch comedy all over Los Angeles. We
Speaker 1: we landed another. I had a lozenge and so because
Speaker 1: you had lost lost these l A theaters, Uh, he's
Speaker 1: in all of them. You should be the Second City,
Speaker 1: the Second City, Hollywood and the pack did joined the
Speaker 1: cast of College Humor in ten, left, only return in
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, only to leave again the back end of
Speaker 1: to return during Some People Can't Get Enough. Other acting
Speaker 1: credits include Adam Ruins Everything food fact or fiction. I
Speaker 1: think foods fake. Yeah, that's actually, that's that's a big topic.
Speaker 1: But I think this is perfect because Rafael is dealing
Speaker 1: with fake news, dealing with fake news with his character Broadwater. Okay,
Speaker 1: will this might be and so I just put it
Speaker 1: out there. Well, let's talk about you guys think great.
Speaker 1: Shall we take a listen. Let's put it out there
Speaker 1: for the listener. This is libelous confessions of a fake
Speaker 1: news writer. Fake news doesn't have to be just one thing.
Speaker 1: I don't have to stick to just one thing. I'm
Speaker 1: a once in a genner raction, creative genius. Who wrote
Speaker 1: the headline Joe Biden only eats the great part of
Speaker 1: the Sammons? Huh? Who whoo? Who wrote that? Who? I
Speaker 1: wouldn't know who that was? Me? I'm the one who
Speaker 1: where I'm Steve Jobs. I'm not Disney, Benjamin Franklin. That
Speaker 1: motherfucker invented electricity. Before that, nobody had nowhere to plug
Speaker 1: the ship hit it. I'm all of them. I'm saying,
Speaker 1: if it wasn't for Benjamin Franklin, we'd all just be
Speaker 1: walking around with cell phones. You buy them and as
Speaker 1: soon as the battery dies, you just gotta throw that
Speaker 1: ship away. You want to live in that kind of
Speaker 1: like I'm the person. What are you doing? What are
Speaker 1: you doing? Are you on your laptop right now? Are
Speaker 1: you fact checking me? Right now? Are you fact checking?
Speaker 1: Ain't no fact checking happening, and this motherfucker because this
Speaker 1: is a fake news motherfucker. No fact checking going on
Speaker 1: in here. That's the only thing that won't be happening.
Speaker 1: But we're gonna do a whole lot of ship, Okay,
Speaker 1: a whole lot of ship because I and the Kanye
Speaker 1: West of fake news writing. So you can't tell me
Speaker 1: to just stick to just one thing. Everybody else does
Speaker 1: just one thing that is basic. That's basic ship. That
Speaker 1: ship is for mere motherfucking mortals. But I'm trying to
Speaker 1: take Yoto to supreme thing. I'm trying to take you
Speaker 1: higher on the old other motherfucking love. That's just the truth, man,
Speaker 1: that's just the truth. I'm all about the truth, except
Speaker 1: when I'm when I'm writing the fake news, which is
Speaker 1: what I do all the time because I'm the greatest status.
Speaker 1: But when I'm not doing that all the time, the
Speaker 1: other part is, look, man, I don't have to do
Speaker 1: just one thing. Look at yama alright. Yamaha is a
Speaker 1: multi hyping it company it's an electronics slash musical instruments
Speaker 1: slash motor company. Yo man, I like my Yamaha piano.
Speaker 1: Why the funk would that make them think that you
Speaker 1: start building motorcycles cycles accurate as her party? Biden doesn't. White,
Speaker 1: the Christian psychologist from Maria Cristins claims and reason increase
Speaker 1: in earthquake is being directly caused by an increase of
Speaker 1: rock and roll he was at eleven. In a new
Speaker 1: interview with o'mriac your news, Dr Fauci refuses to take
Speaker 1: responsibility for nine eleven. He says it's because he had
Speaker 1: nothing to do with it. Will let you decide. Uh. Hello,
Speaker 1: I'm radio journalist Connor Walbatch, and for the past year
Speaker 1: and a half or so, I've been following the world's
Speaker 1: first billionaire fake newswriter, Amar Broadwater. I had been trying
Speaker 1: to get just an interview with a mari for years,
Speaker 1: but he always turned me down. Then one day, out
Speaker 1: of the blue, he called me up to do a
Speaker 1: full documentary series, and I jumped at the chance. The
Speaker 1: reason I had pursued him for so long is because,
Speaker 1: at just thirty six years old, this truly self made
Speaker 1: billionaire has constructed a multi media empire off the back
Speaker 1: of headlines like have you lost your remote control? Question mark,
Speaker 1: Ten ways it could have been stolen by Joe Biden
Speaker 1: and this all time classic Barack kills Osama bin laden
Speaker 1: dot dot dot to cover up BFF relationship question mark.
Speaker 1: While many would disagree, Omari insists that what he does
Speaker 1: is art, arguing that fake news is just his form
Speaker 1: of expression. But when I asked what about the readers
Speaker 1: who believe his articles, Amari seemed to reject that premise altogether.
Speaker 1: Why would anyone believe it? I mean, it's fake news.
Speaker 1: I'd like to note that when Amari refers to his
Speaker 1: work as fake news, he doesn't mean it as satirical
Speaker 1: like the Onion. No, No, it's just fake. But seeing
Speaker 1: is how there are undeniably people who believe Amari's articles,
Speaker 1: I had to question whether Amari was in fact an
Speaker 1: effective communicator, despite connecting with millions of readers on a
Speaker 1: deep level. What even is an effective communicator? And it's
Speaker 1: truly accurate communication even possible? How do you know for
Speaker 1: sure that the words that you're trying to get across
Speaker 1: our landing exactly as they should. People have different points
Speaker 1: of views and different perspectives and can interpret things in
Speaker 1: different ways. All right here I am. We are in
Speaker 1: the car now we are driving up two Amari's estate
Speaker 1: and so be our first time here. I'm just gonna describe.
Speaker 1: So right now we're on a bumpy, bumpy gravelly road.
Speaker 1: We are now entering the gates. We're on a of
Speaker 1: the private property. This is a very a very large
Speaker 1: expansive a state. I'd say at least fifty fifty acres
Speaker 1: that you can see a house, uh, very large mansion
Speaker 1: in in in the distance we're gaining us. It seems
Speaker 1: to be the exact replica of the White House. Oh
Speaker 1: oh wow, oh look at these fountains and we have
Speaker 1: we have uh we're passing under a two water uh
Speaker 1: spouting uh statue. Oh my, oh my. They no, they're
Speaker 1: not statues at all. These are real people spitting out
Speaker 1: water into the I should note that this, uh well
Speaker 1: that was well we're passing it now, but the scene
Speaker 1: behind me was pretty remarkable. Uh. I should note that this, uh,
Speaker 1: the working conditions are are different on this estate as
Speaker 1: uh Omari actually bought uh this p pretty from the
Speaker 1: government to be its own nation state UH called o Marty. Uh,
Speaker 1: not to be confused with oh Merita, which I am
Speaker 1: definitely not saying out loud for the first time. But uh,
Speaker 1: you know, O Merita, which I'm sure I'm pronouncing correctly,
Speaker 1: is a mob thing or something, as we all know.
Speaker 1: But this is a totally different thing. Oh oh, here
Speaker 1: we go. Okay, all right, we are at the house
Speaker 1: and let me just get out here. And oh oh no,
Speaker 1: oh no, oh these are big dogs. Okay, okay, Oh
Speaker 1: that's a friendly Oh yeah, well okay, that's okay. You
Speaker 1: like to nip, you really like the nip. You are
Speaker 1: too big, too big for that. But that's okay, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: if someone could just someone's gotta be Fazo Faso. Stop
Speaker 1: sniffing the reporters. Put hey, quiet, Eln, it's get get
Speaker 1: over here, Get over here, Elon down down, Ellen, Bazos
Speaker 1: back off. H thank you. You're Your dogs names are
Speaker 1: Bezos and and Elen. Yeah I named him after my heroes. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Ellen just took a huge ship on the carpet. That
Speaker 1: must have scared the camera guys away. It's safe to
Speaker 1: bring him out. Now, come on, camera crew, camera crew,
Speaker 1: make up, everybody, lights, everybody, come on out, Come on.
Speaker 1: It's okay, the dogs are fine now now that uh,
Speaker 1: there's there's actually there's no film. Curl here. This is
Speaker 1: a documentary podcast. It's a it's a podcast, but it's
Speaker 1: a it's a documentary, right, yeah, right, it's a it's
Speaker 1: a documentary. So just tell the camera people and come
Speaker 1: on out now. Now I'm I'm a radio reporter, so
Speaker 1: I don't have a camera. I know you don't have
Speaker 1: a camera. I'm saying, look, man, whosever job it is
Speaker 1: to hold the camera, Come on it out. We're ready
Speaker 1: to shoot. Now, we're ready for you the dog to
Speaker 1: find you know what. Uh, I'll just shoot it on
Speaker 1: my phone. How about that? Okay, all right, it's cheaper.
Speaker 1: Let's overhead, bigger, private margins. No. I like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I like that a lot. So you're just gonna fire
Speaker 1: your staff like that, just on the spot like that.
Speaker 1: God damn, I'm inspired. I'm I'm so I might find
Speaker 1: somebody today because of you. No, I don't don't do that.
Speaker 1: Already dialing hey, Cheryl, Yeah you're fired, Yep, pick up
Speaker 1: your stuff. I don't care I do. Hey, do what
Speaker 1: you gotta do, Cheryl, Do what you gotta do, just
Speaker 1: as long as you're out of the office by the
Speaker 1: end of the day. How how did that go? Very bad?
Speaker 1: Very bad. She's gonna sue for wrongful termination and uh yeah,
Speaker 1: I think she's got a case. All right, let's go bowl. Okay, Well, uh,
Speaker 1: I guess the first question I have is, I know
Speaker 1: you don't think anyone believes the headlines you produced, but
Speaker 1: let's just imagine if someone did. How would you feel
Speaker 1: about that? Why would anyone believe it? There's obviously no
Speaker 1: secondary sources. It's it's it's not an API and Reuters.
Speaker 1: That's all I read you. Uh, you only get your
Speaker 1: news from APN writers. Yeah, I'm not a genius. Semi. No, No,
Speaker 1: you're not. Um. Also, those are interesting. Um. Those aren't
Speaker 1: bowling balls, are they? Nah? They're in the end of
Speaker 1: thal skulls. Yeah. The eyes and nose holes are way
Speaker 1: better fit for my fingers. I think I was like
Speaker 1: a warrior some ship in another life. What did you
Speaker 1: start out wanting to be an international human rights advocate? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I went to school to study law and how it
Speaker 1: relates to refugees and asylum seekers. But I had a
Speaker 1: professor tell me to work on my public speaking, yeah,
Speaker 1: and that improv class might be helpful with that, which,
Speaker 1: of course I didn't want to do it first, like
Speaker 1: I wasn't really into it. But man, when I finally
Speaker 1: went yo, I loved that ship almost instantly. I fell
Speaker 1: in love with that ship. And why was that? Why
Speaker 1: was it that she felt such a connection you think?
Speaker 1: Uh so early on? Two words, yes and no matter
Speaker 1: what I said, my scene partner has gotta believe that ship.
Speaker 1: Imri Improv class allowed students to record their improv classes. First,
Speaker 1: we were able to contact one of them, Ari's former
Speaker 1: classmates for a recording. Can I get two people to
Speaker 1: start a scene where one of you initiates and the
Speaker 1: other one yes as the initiation? Thank you? Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Okay you you kid? All right, we're gonna do it.
Speaker 1: We're gonna do a scene together. Awesome, okay, col you're
Speaker 1: me alright, alright, okay, okay, okay. So I'm gonna initiate, okay, right,
Speaker 1: yeah it sounds good, and then I'll receive yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So so I'll be the one and then you say
Speaker 1: you say yes day okay, yeah, yeah, totally alright, I
Speaker 1: can inotiate if you everybody else sit down. Actually, everybody
Speaker 1: else sit down, We're gonna do this scene. Okay, all right, okay,
Speaker 1: So here's me initiating, totally improvised, straight off the dome.
Speaker 1: Sorry what I was I was gonna say spell you
Speaker 1: were taking a second. I have an initiation. If you
Speaker 1: want me to you can go. Sorry. No, okay, I
Speaker 1: definitely don't want you to go. I'm okay, thank you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I am the most brilliant artist of all time. Yes,
Speaker 1: and that's right. Uh. You are a millionaire yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: And I turned my millions into billions of dollars. And
Speaker 1: I'm also the greatest at basketball. Yes, you're very good
Speaker 1: at basketball. And I am a baker. Know what. We're
Speaker 1: sticking with me. Hold on, we're sticking with me. Okay.
Speaker 1: So you are a baker for me because of how
Speaker 1: great I am, and you baked for me for free, yes, yes.
Speaker 1: And and I live in your mansion. That's yes, you
Speaker 1: live in one of the many rooms in my mansion
Speaker 1: that has so many rooms where I make love to
Speaker 1: so many women, and the lovemaking is so great that
Speaker 1: it makes dolphins cry. Yes, and everyone loves you in
Speaker 1: the whole world. Ah man, that was great. That was
Speaker 1: a very good saing, can I can I ask a question? So? Um, so,
Speaker 1: when you're doing a scene with someone and they don't
Speaker 1: kind of give you anything, what are you supposed to do? Um? Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's talk about kind of two handed, like two way
Speaker 1: street kind of stuff. A Maori, how does that sound
Speaker 1: to two way streets? You know, like he yes, ended you,
Speaker 1: so why don't you yes? Hand him a little bit? Yeah,
Speaker 1: what you said, I was initiating and then they yes,
Speaker 1: And so that's where you know, that's what I'm getting.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm getting confused here. I mean, Mary is
Speaker 1: supposed to be initiating. I initiate, then the yes and
Speaker 1: it comes from the other side. So they say, you
Speaker 1: know exactly what I say, except more of it. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: well let's let's so let's try that again. And Kevin,
Speaker 1: if you want to just initiate, you know, support omar
Speaker 1: fully um, because it sounded like he that's what he wants. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it sounds like you sucked up all right, Well I
Speaker 1: don't know. Okay, well you get another chance. It was okay,
Speaker 1: thank you so much. I yes, I am the creator
Speaker 1: of the whole universe. Yes, And and you gotta go
Speaker 1: bigger you gotta go bigger with that. I'm trying to
Speaker 1: get there. Yes, and you created multiple universes. Hey, that's good.
Speaker 1: That was good heightening. All right, so you're getting better
Speaker 1: at it, all right? Thanks? Okay, Yes, I created multiple
Speaker 1: universes and everything within them, and they all everything that
Speaker 1: I created loves me and recognizes my greatness. Yes, and
Speaker 1: you are God. Yeah, I am got Now. That was
Speaker 1: a twist. I didn't see that coming. I I hadn't
Speaker 1: even thought of that. That wasn't even something I thought
Speaker 1: of you. Yeah, I like you. I like you. I
Speaker 1: think we should I think we should improvide more together.
Speaker 1: Oh it's a seat over okay, yeah cool, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: guess yeah, sure, yeah. I've been trying to get on
Speaker 1: practice groups, but everybody says that I'm just just yeah, practice,
Speaker 1: you know, practice makes perfect. I have a practice group
Speaker 1: that I'm actually running right now over at my my
Speaker 1: house in Silver Lake. If you want to come by it.
Speaker 1: We have a really cool coach on Tuesday's at six pm.
Speaker 1: Oh hell yeah, it's hell motherfucking yeah. Because I know
Speaker 1: you need me. I know you need amor. I like
Speaker 1: your confidence. It's fun to be around someone who's confident.
Speaker 1: Not a lot of us are confident. So yeah that's me.
Speaker 1: If I got one thing, it's confident. Yeah that's awesome. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean a state in college after that. But yo,
Speaker 1: I was pretty much just living in the dorms, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like I stopped going to classes
Speaker 1: and it was just basically just pursuing improv full time.
Speaker 1: They get more of a full perspective on Amari. Uh.
Speaker 1: We spoke to a mental health expert, Dr Lance kill
Speaker 1: Bassa for his analysis. Ah, Doctor kill Basa, thank you
Speaker 1: so much. First of all for joining us. I know
Speaker 1: you have a busy schedule and we, uh, we're very
Speaker 1: grateful to have you here with us. Thank you for
Speaker 1: having me having to make good time. Um. First, I
Speaker 1: just want to ask, have you encountered anyone like Omari
Speaker 1: before in your practice? Well? I have not. Omari is
Speaker 1: a singular figure in my study, because when I have
Speaker 1: worked with other people, I've been able to pinpoint their
Speaker 1: personality disorders. Every time I tried to figure out what
Speaker 1: exactly made Omari tick, what it was that caused him
Speaker 1: to see an altered reality that everybody else, I always
Speaker 1: found a hiccup. There is no personality disorder. In any
Speaker 1: cluster of personality disorder groups that fits Omari, he always
Speaker 1: kind of jumps his way around it. He can't be
Speaker 1: histrionic because he seems to have empathy. He can't be
Speaker 1: anti social because he seems to command a room. Long
Speaker 1: story short, I don't think there's anything mentally wrong with Omari.
Speaker 1: I think he's just well, kind of an asshole. And
Speaker 1: so that's your that's your diagnosis. Yeah, I'm gonna say asshole. Um,
Speaker 1: he's putting something on. He's choosing to be who he is.
Speaker 1: And there's no therapy, there's no medicine, there's no treatment
Speaker 1: I can prescribe to that. He knows what he's doing
Speaker 1: is wrong and he likes it interesting. So there's nothing
Speaker 1: that you could prescribe or there's nothing at all interesting.
Speaker 1: And I had O Maria one of my retreats in
Speaker 1: the Sonoran Desert. I take a couple of my patients,
Speaker 1: some people that I liked to study, some people that
Speaker 1: i've been working with out for thirty days to work
Speaker 1: with other people to see if we can make breakthroughs.
Speaker 1: By the end of the retreat, Omari had had everyone
Speaker 1: so scared of what he was going to post about
Speaker 1: them online that uh, no one spoke to him, but
Speaker 1: at the end of the retreat everyone still wanted his
Speaker 1: phone number. People love him, people fear him, people hate
Speaker 1: him interesting, and people want to be him. It's confounding.
Speaker 1: And what what about the um So for a different subject,
Speaker 1: you might call his uh grandiose proclamations, uh delusions of grandeur?
Speaker 1: What what exactly when he says things like he's the
Speaker 1: greatest of all time, that's just him being an asshole.
Speaker 1: You said it yourself, It's it's deaf. Only is the
Speaker 1: delusion of grandeur. It definitely is him looking for an
Speaker 1: alternate reality than what exists. But I can't quite pin
Speaker 1: down if it isn't a mental fixation, if it is
Speaker 1: an obsession, if it is any sort of neurological dissonance
Speaker 1: with what we have in the world, or if he
Speaker 1: just kind of wants to go this way. There is
Speaker 1: a lot of debate in the mental health community upon
Speaker 1: when you can decide to call someone an asshole. It's
Speaker 1: a hard place to settle on and I get a
Speaker 1: lot of flak for it, and I've never called one
Speaker 1: of my clients an asshole. The thing about it is
Speaker 1: that he's never been one of my clients. He calls
Speaker 1: me on the phone. He talks to me for a
Speaker 1: long time. I say, hey, you want to come, and
Speaker 1: he says, no, I'm all better. I need to hand
Speaker 1: He hangs up. And then I see him quote me
Speaker 1: as a mental health expert in some sort of article
Speaker 1: talking about how Miley Cyrus is you know, uh, split
Speaker 1: personality disorder. You know, I see him quoting me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Hannah Montana and Miley Cyrus are two different people. Uh
Speaker 1: it is uh, you know, Disney Channel started Hannah Montana
Speaker 1: to uh to cover up her dissociative identity disorder. That
Speaker 1: article obviously millions of clicks, and it gets me clients
Speaker 1: to this day. What I can say is that I
Speaker 1: don't want to call Himri an asshole, but calling him
Speaker 1: any sort of mentally ill is insulting to anyone who
Speaker 1: is mentally ill. It's not fair to the people who
Speaker 1: are actually suffering. Okay, it's not right, And there you
Speaker 1: have it. I also tracked down Kevin Amri saying partner
Speaker 1: from that earlier recording, Yeah, um, Kevin, hey, can you
Speaker 1: are you able to first of all, thank you so
Speaker 1: much for being here with us, of course, happy, happy
Speaker 1: to make the time, Yeah, happy to um. Can you
Speaker 1: kind of describe for us what the what it was
Speaker 1: like meeting Amri for the first time. From from your perspective, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I met Omar and inprov one oh one, I was
Speaker 1: taking it with a bunch of my friends because I,
Speaker 1: you know, came out to l A wanting to be
Speaker 1: the next I don't know, Fred Armison or somebody fun
Speaker 1: like that. And uh, I met Omar and I never
Speaker 1: never felt an energy quite like that, you know. I
Speaker 1: I grew up in a place where, you know, an
Speaker 1: Irish Catholic family, where I was always told to minimize myself,
Speaker 1: be smaller. You know, you're you're nothing, You're nothing. You know.
Speaker 1: I grew up in a very very critical household. So
Speaker 1: to be around someone who is so so unabashedly aware
Speaker 1: that they are one of the greatest people in the world,
Speaker 1: it was intoxicating. It was nice to be around that.
Speaker 1: It was it was It was fun for me because
Speaker 1: I was like, wow, you know, if if he's giving
Speaker 1: me attention, that makes me feel like I might not
Speaker 1: be some worthless sack of potato ship, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like it makes me feel like I could
Speaker 1: be something else. So it was really fun to be
Speaker 1: his friend and to have him around because when we
Speaker 1: would go to restaurants, he would only order the nicest things.
Speaker 1: He's that for I. He's being with them. Mari was
Speaker 1: the first time I ever had verve click, a really
Speaker 1: nice champagn I'd only had Brute before that, you know,
Speaker 1: I'd only had Andre. He lived nice, he lived good,
Speaker 1: he lived fun um, and then then I started feeling invisible.
Speaker 1: That's kind of slowly when I started realizing like, oh,
Speaker 1: I could be anyone. You know, it was a copy
Speaker 1: paste because I started seeing him talk to other people
Speaker 1: and then they'd be excited, and then he started slowly
Speaker 1: forgetting my name, and that kind of made me feel bad.
Speaker 1: That was the other side where I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I was just kind of a dumping ground for his
Speaker 1: ego for a little bit. If And that's the stuff
Speaker 1: I've been kind of dealing with for the past five
Speaker 1: ten years in therapy and just being like what happened,
Speaker 1: you know, like I felt like I got thrown into
Speaker 1: an office chair and spun around fifty times and then
Speaker 1: pushed out. It's really kind of what I'm dealing with
Speaker 1: for myself. What happened? What was what was that? Right? Yeah?
Speaker 1: But he's fun? Man? Is he listening to this? He's
Speaker 1: not gonna listen. Is he involved? He's I'm trying to
Speaker 1: give him. I love him, but he not listening right now.
Speaker 1: And if he were to come around, I would be
Speaker 1: so happy to see him. And but sure, it's just hard.
Speaker 1: It's just I see his stuff. I see his stuff. Um,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't love it. I'm scared of him.
Speaker 1: It's taken a long time for me to say that,
Speaker 1: but I'm sure I'm scared of what he'll do to
Speaker 1: me if he gets close to me again. And how
Speaker 1: how so do you mean physically or just through his power?
Speaker 1: He has a way of making you forget everything you
Speaker 1: know is right. He has a way of making you
Speaker 1: realize the way you've been thinking is wrong, and the
Speaker 1: way he sees something is true even if the facts
Speaker 1: aren't there. He Um, he's a bit of a magician
Speaker 1: and he's a bit of a world shower. He opens
Speaker 1: the curtain to what something could be. And that's intoxicating,
Speaker 1: that's exciting, but it's also wrong. I would go home
Speaker 1: to Thanksgiving dinners and I would say some of this
Speaker 1: stuff that he said to me, and I would get
Speaker 1: laughed off the table. You know. He would say, did
Speaker 1: you hear that New Gingridge owns a firm in New
Speaker 1: Hampshire where he makes human fall grot, where he forces
Speaker 1: people to eat things and make fatty livers and then
Speaker 1: he serves human human livered people, And um, my family
Speaker 1: wouldn't like that, you know. And it wasn't a conservative
Speaker 1: liberal thing. It was a this is just the kind
Speaker 1: of thing that doesn't make sense and it's upsetting you
Speaker 1: believed it. And I think he kind of used me
Speaker 1: as a kind of training ground to figure out the
Speaker 1: lies that people would be susceptible to. Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: feel used. Yeah, exactly interesting. Yeah, it's okay, Well, I'm
Speaker 1: very sorry. It's okay, I'm very sorry. It's okay. I'm
Speaker 1: I'm I'm good. Now. If he asks, I'm good, I'm
Speaker 1: really good. Okay, I did ask. He did ask. That's awesome.
Speaker 1: And he said Kevin, he said my name. He did
Speaker 1: not remember your name, but but he he remembered the
Speaker 1: guy that he had to lift up in uh in
Speaker 1: improv scenes, lift up metaphorically. Yeah, because yeah, that's yeah,
Speaker 1: because he didn't physically lift me up. We had this
Speaker 1: thing where I would always try to do kind of
Speaker 1: physical scene work and he'd stopped this. He need to
Speaker 1: do not touch me. So when you said lift up,
Speaker 1: I was like, that doesn't sound like Omari. But yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: he he did always kind of actively tell me I
Speaker 1: was the dead weight. And that took a lot to
Speaker 1: unpack too. That took a lot for me to deal
Speaker 1: with as well. Yes, I'm good now though, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: I'm a business owner, so I'm good. That's wonderful. What
Speaker 1: and what what business is this that you're running. I
Speaker 1: run a natty shop where I write office quotes on
Speaker 1: old pieces of driftwood from the ocean. So if you
Speaker 1: you can go to uh, Kevin's Chili Pot. It's a
Speaker 1: little office on because my name is Kevin and there's
Speaker 1: a chili pot in an episode of the Office. You
Speaker 1: go there and there's all sorts of you know, just
Speaker 1: really nice quotes from all your favorite seasons on Jeff Wood.
Speaker 1: Because I live in a I live in a beautiful,
Speaker 1: beautiful ocean home in ox Nerd, California. So okay, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we call it ox Nerd. We call it oxrd locals
Speaker 1: do locals call it ox nerd um and you can
Speaker 1: tell Omari that if you want but beautiful than beautiful,
Speaker 1: we will we will do, we will do just there. Awesome. Thanks,
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you, thank you so much. Now, no,
Speaker 1: thank you. Honestly, if you use I'll go to go
Speaker 1: to my anti shop. You can get ten percent off
Speaker 1: if you if you use the code um Angela, just
Speaker 1: a character from the office. We will absolutely let the
Speaker 1: listeners know. Thanks. We learned that um am I eventually
Speaker 1: got himself kicked out of his improv group for steam
Speaker 1: rolling scenes um, which maybe no surprise to anyone who's
Speaker 1: been listening this long, but uh, we also have audio
Speaker 1: from one of their shows that the team was allowed
Speaker 1: to record for a small fate. Alright, ladies and gentlemen,
Speaker 1: this is the Omari players. And uh, I know that
Speaker 1: wasn't on the flyers, but I improvised that the name
Speaker 1: up right now, that team name. Uh, that's how good
Speaker 1: I am an improv. Anyway, We're just gonna need one
Speaker 1: word suggestion from anybody in the audience, just one word.
Speaker 1: Shout it out, carrot. No, can I get a funny suggestion? Uh,
Speaker 1: something that's funny so that we could do some comedy here. Okay,
Speaker 1: one word but what what was it? What? But? But? But?
Speaker 1: But very funny word? All right, Now we're gonna improvise
Speaker 1: off of the word but. Hey, Kevin, get out here.
Speaker 1: We're gonna improvise right now. No, everybody else get back, No, no,
Speaker 1: get back, Stacy get back on the alright, this is
Speaker 1: gonna be arsting. We're gonna do the first scene, then
Speaker 1: Stacy does the second scene. Then ron h you could
Speaker 1: do the fourth scene with you know whoever you want.
Speaker 1: But okay, all right, I got the nicest butt in
Speaker 1: the world. Yes, you do have the nicest butt in
Speaker 1: the world, thank you. And your but won't quit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: my but won't quit. But but won't quit. And it's
Speaker 1: it's hardest, the hardest working but in show business. Way
Speaker 1: better than your butt. Yes, your butt is way much
Speaker 1: better than my butt. And we're we're at the pants store.
Speaker 1: Way better. We're at to wear Yeah, way better. Well,
Speaker 1: we're at the shoe store now because yeah, we're at
Speaker 1: the shoe store because the pants store we couldn't find
Speaker 1: no pants that was good enough in my butt. So
Speaker 1: now we're making Now we're going to the shoe store
Speaker 1: because you know, sometimes they got shoes where the way
Speaker 1: that it makes your foot and an angle, it will
Speaker 1: make your butt look bigger because it like exercises the
Speaker 1: muscles in the butt. So that's what we're gonna do now,
Speaker 1: because I also have the prettiest feet in the world. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: you have the prettiest feet in the world. And your
Speaker 1: feet are amazing. Yeah, well I wouldn't say amazing. I
Speaker 1: would say that they're like glorious. Okay again then, uh
Speaker 1: well you have your feet are glorious, yeah my feet? Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, go ahead, yeah, yeah, yeah glorious. Whoa are
Speaker 1: those feet made of gold? No? They actually made Wow,
Speaker 1: those feet are made of rubies. And there's someone here
Speaker 1: to try to steal your feet still, uh no, this
Speaker 1: guy is actually here. That's actually that's not a man.
Speaker 1: That's my mother. So sorry that you called, so you
Speaker 1: should apologize for calling them a man. And they're not
Speaker 1: stealing my feet. They're actually coming in to clean my feet.
Speaker 1: They're cleming in to clean my feet up. Okay, And
Speaker 1: I'm gonna leave, but you can stay here. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you get out. I'm gonna stay. Yeah, I mean, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, looking back on it, I can get why
Speaker 1: they didn't want to play with me, but at the
Speaker 1: time getting kicked off the team wasn't something I was
Speaker 1: willing to accept. Yeah, man, I mean my girlfriend at
Speaker 1: the time was was writing for the school paper and
Speaker 1: let me publish a story about how the group was
Speaker 1: actually a sex goal. So that was your first fake
Speaker 1: news story? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I wrote. I wrote that,
Speaker 1: you know, the improv group was actually a sex call.
Speaker 1: This kind of like blackmail, Like, you know, if you
Speaker 1: let me back on the team, I'll tell everybody this
Speaker 1: was a lie. But that didn't work because they didn't
Speaker 1: want anything to do with me, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: and uh neither did any other team. But uh, you
Speaker 1: know what the article, The article did mad numbers. I mean,
Speaker 1: people loved it. They ate it up. They knew it
Speaker 1: was a lie. That's why the blackmail part didn't work,
Speaker 1: but they ate it up. So I said, Yo, I'm
Speaker 1: sticking at this ship man. That article reached a way
Speaker 1: bigger audience than any improv show, So that was it.
Speaker 1: I was hooked. I figured if I could get this
Speaker 1: much attention for something I wrote about this little improv
Speaker 1: indie group, and I could get way more attention for
Speaker 1: writing bigger stories with wider interests about different ships. So
Speaker 1: I started writing up fake ship about the president, and
Speaker 1: then you know fucking Will and Grace and and it
Speaker 1: really roused people up. I'm talking about like i'd even
Speaker 1: write I didn't even write fake news stories about celebrities,
Speaker 1: then tweeted at them and you know, tweeted at them
Speaker 1: from different accounts. So so I'd be like, hey, I
Speaker 1: saw this thing, Uh, it's true, And I tweeted as
Speaker 1: so many celebrities and politicians that they started responding to it,
Speaker 1: like going out in public and denying the ship. So
Speaker 1: then that brought more eyeballs to it, made that ship
Speaker 1: go viral, That brought more people to the site. Now
Speaker 1: you've got cable news picking it up. I mean we
Speaker 1: was everywhere. We were everywhere off of that ship, Russia, Turkey, Nigeria,
Speaker 1: We're all over the place. I mean, it was huge.
Speaker 1: It was fucking huge, you understand me. It was like
Speaker 1: it was the wait, why are you opening up about
Speaker 1: your story now? Because I'm gonna us as documentary helped
Speaker 1: me win a Peabody, and here's some luck at what
Speaker 1: happens next time? What the fuck yo. The onion just
Speaker 1: want to be body. The onion just want to be
Speaker 1: body cool on man. I sat down with Amari News
Speaker 1: Corpse lawyer to begin with, how did you get here?
Speaker 1: Do you know what student loans are? Student loans they
Speaker 1: charge you for going to school, lots of money that
Speaker 1: you can't pay. You pay them back late. What is
Speaker 1: your relationship exactly to Mr broad Water? Uh? Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: uh I'm his right hand man kind of like brutus man.
Speaker 1: They can't they can't do this to us man,