1 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: Now it's time for Cannabis Talk one oh one with Blue, 2 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 1: Joe Grande and Market Greig Washerman, the Pop Brothers at 3 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 1: Law with special guest Dr Danny Gordon, author of the 4 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: CBD Bible. Hellaura, Welcome to Cannabis Talk one on one. 5 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: My name is Blue. Alongside of me or the world 6 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:18,960 Speaker 1: famous pop Brothers at Law, Mr Mark and Craig Washerman. Hello. 7 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:26,320 Speaker 1: Well you can't say hi, Craig, what's the show? You 8 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 1: normally go right to Joe. I was looking at you all. 9 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 1: I was hoping he was looking at you and Craigs 10 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 1: just looking at the guests going Hi. I saw a 11 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: little brother. Camera went off, so it threw me. Okay, 12 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 1: we also cut him off already we might we all. 13 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 1: We also have this amazing specimen next to me. Mr 14 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 1: Joe Grande. Thank you very much. Blue, it's a pleasure 15 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 1: to be sitting next to you. Yes, thank you, sir. 16 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: I appreciate you as well. And Joe, why don't you 17 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 1: let everybody in the world know exactly what's going on 18 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 1: Cannabis Talks. Funny when you say the world, because this 19 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 1: feels like hey, world interview. I want to thank everyone 20 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 1: for listening to our podcast, Cannabis Talk one on one 21 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 1: all over the world. Thank you very much. If you 22 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:11,199 Speaker 1: ever want to call into the show eight hundred Craig, 23 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 1: we have a lot of Spanish listeners, so please give 24 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 1: it an Espanol z zeto quatro zeno blue in Puerto 25 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 1: Rican English. It's eight guys and Mark, do you have 26 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:40,479 Speaker 1: it down yet? Wow? Really graduated from Hebrew class. And 27 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 1: that's sexy voice that you hear right there. She needs 28 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 1: to say it from her Oh yeah, can you say 29 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 1: it with a real English accent? Dr Danny Gordon. It's well, 30 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 1: I'm the Canadian transplant so unfortunately I'm a little bit limited. 31 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 1: Well it does sound like it. And that voice right 32 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 1: there is Dr Danny Gordon. She is a double board 33 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 1: certified medical doctor and one of the world's leading expert 34 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 1: in clinical cannabinoid medicine after treating thousands of complex referral 35 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 1: patients in Canada. As she said, she's from Canada. She 36 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 1: consults widely in the UK and internationally, sits on advisory 37 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 1: boards and helps set up cannabis medicine clinics and trained physicians. 38 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:24,639 Speaker 1: She's also involved in cannabis clinic research, nonprofit and advocacy 39 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 1: advocacy work as as well as drug policy reforms. Her 40 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:32,079 Speaker 1: new book, which Mark and I read quite a bit of, 41 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 1: is called the CBD Bible. Welcome Dr Danny Gordon from 42 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 1: across the Pond in London to Cannabis Talk one oh one. Welcome. No, 43 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 1: it is so awesome to have you. First off, how 44 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 1: did this even happen? How did we find you? Because 45 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 1: after reading your book, I seen I think it was you, 46 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 1: right Mark? Did you find her? Does she find you? Yeah? 47 00:02:55,320 --> 00:03:00,240 Speaker 1: It was on via LinkedIn. Um, we got a got 48 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 1: a message on our Lincoln page about this awesome doctor 49 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 1: who's an expert in cannabis and cannabinoids and the whole 50 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 1: nine yards. And I immediately reached back out and said, 51 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 1: we got to get get this doctor on the show. 52 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 1: And uh, they were kind enough to send us that 53 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 1: screener book that I I don't. I dove right into it. 54 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie. I went right to the sex chapter, 55 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:27,920 Speaker 1: of course, does everybody Well clearly you did too, doctor. Yeah. 56 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 1: I implemented uh a higher dose of edibles in the 57 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 1: last two weeks and it has been amazing for me 58 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 1: and my wife. Cool. Yes, yes, So wait, so let's 59 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: let's specify that, because now all of us got to 60 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 1: read it like you did, and and and and understood 61 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 1: it the same. So let's dive into that a little 62 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 1: bit more, Mark, I mean, is this something that she 63 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 1: had wrote in her book that she suggests that you've 64 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 1: done and and it worked? I mean, can you splained 65 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 1: that a little bit? Yeah? So, so in the book 66 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: it it it suggests that the use of CBD, THHC 67 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 1: and everybody's gonna be different. You're gonna have to figure 68 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:16,280 Speaker 1: out for yourself. That was one of the main themes 69 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 1: throughout the book. When you're you're using cannabis, because of 70 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 1: the nature of the studies and the anecdotal evidence that 71 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 1: we all know about, you've got to kind of play 72 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 1: with it and try it. As everyone on our panel knows, 73 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 1: I consume a lot, and I have a tolerance high 74 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:42,160 Speaker 1: tolerance um. But I I started consuming more after I 75 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 1: read your book to try to help with my sleep. 76 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 1: But I found the offshoot was my sexual prowess and 77 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:56,839 Speaker 1: stamina just went through the roof, uh, and it was 78 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 1: it was very amazing, And I wasn't real expecting all that. 79 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 1: And I'm hoping that you can kind of shed some 80 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 1: more light on it for us, well, I mean, I'm 81 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:09,479 Speaker 1: glad to hear you've had excellent results because of course, 82 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 1: also in that chapter we talked about not having it 83 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:14,679 Speaker 1: what I call a sex fail, which is some people 84 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:17,719 Speaker 1: who have a very low tolerance to high t HC 85 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 1: cannabis try cannabis for the first time, um right in 86 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 1: the moments, you know, not really trying it beforehand, and 87 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 1: end up feeling the opposite of sexy or paranoid or 88 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 1: having kind of you know, the the opposite response that 89 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 1: you would watch. So it's exactly true that everyone STOs 90 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 1: is different. Some people prefer highest cb D because it 91 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 1: relaxes on Some people really like the effects of th 92 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 1: HC um and our brains respond to HC differently for 93 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 1: each person, and some people are very different. So some 94 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:52,480 Speaker 1: people's um way that their brain kind of interactions with 95 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 1: th HC. They can handle a lot of th HC 96 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:58,719 Speaker 1: and can feel completely unimpaired, versus other people like me, 97 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 1: if I have a little bit of THC, it really 98 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:04,920 Speaker 1: affects me, So um, I really stick with the CBD 99 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 1: side of things most of the time for me and 100 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 1: my husband somewhere in between. So everyone's really different. Very nice. 101 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 1: So I know marks like to skip right to the 102 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 1: sex party. That's why don't you tell it's a little 103 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 1: bit of how did you get into studying cannabinoids and 104 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 1: cannabis and CBD? Well certified, you have like every certification imaginable, 105 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 1: it's amazing. So how did how did you how did 106 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 1: you get into that? Well? I started out as a 107 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:34,280 Speaker 1: medical doctor, and I was always interested in natural medicine, 108 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 1: so I went on to do a fellowship in integrated 109 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:40,160 Speaker 1: medicine in the States, which is basically evidence based natural medicine, 110 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:44,360 Speaker 1: including plant medicine, botanical medicine, UM. And I really got 111 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 1: into cannabis specifically quite late. I've been using other plant 112 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 1: medicine botanicals alongside drugs in a conventional medical practice setting 113 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 1: for you know, the last decade. And my patients were 114 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 1: using cannabis for years in Canada, but until relatively recently, 115 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 1: it was really difficult to actually prescribe cannabis, as you 116 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 1: guys all know, um, because before we had kind of 117 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 1: registered products with Health Canada there would just kind of 118 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 1: grow your own. So my patients were growing their own. 119 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:14,559 Speaker 1: They were treating themselves for chronic pain, for cancer, pain 120 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 1: for all kinds of things. And because I do natural 121 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 1: medicine as well as normal stuff, they they talked to 122 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 1: me about it, and I got really curious and they 123 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 1: were getting all these really interesting effects. UM. And then 124 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 1: I became a chronic pain patient myself. I had a 125 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 1: really that accident shattered my hand. I started using it topically, 126 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 1: and then I just kind of took the leap and 127 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 1: added it to my practice UM at the time, which 128 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 1: felt quite bold, because most of my colleagues thought it 129 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 1: was completely insane to add this to a convention medicine practice. 130 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 1: And UM, there was a lot of fear around, you know, 131 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 1: adding this as as the therapeutic that someone might um 132 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 1: try to disbar me from medicine, or I might you know, 133 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 1: I don't know, make someone really lazy or caused sidecosis. 134 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 1: There was all kinds of you know, things that we've 135 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 1: been taught and kind of brainwashed into the our mediculture. 136 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 1: It kind of it kind of goes against the grain. 137 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 1: I mean for for most physicians and people that are 138 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 1: in the in the doctors and things like that, they've 139 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 1: never utilized it. So a lot of times I've talked 140 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 1: to a lot of doctors and they are straight taught 141 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 1: it in school. Well, the indo cannabinoid system didn't exist, 142 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 1: so they didn't really know how to how to bring 143 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 1: it up. And and and I think that's you know, 144 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 1: you're when you say you didn't exist blue And I'm 145 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 1: just wondered you think that. I don't know if you know, 146 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 1: but maybe I'm sure Dr Danny does. Did they not 147 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 1: talk about the carnabinoids system system when you're going to 148 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 1: become a doctor. They didn't even do that right. It 149 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 1: was discovered in nineteen eight nine slash ninete, but it 150 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 1: didn't filter into medical school. So I started my training 151 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 1: in two thousand five and in medical school after my 152 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 1: other degrees, and I graduated into dozen and nine, So 153 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 1: that's over a decade ago. There was nothing. And even 154 00:08:56,080 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 1: still now we're just seeing mainstream medical school start to 155 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 1: introduce the endocannabinoid system. So it's been a thirty year 156 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 1: leg between some of the first lectures. And I've been 157 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 1: blessed enough to deliver some of these lectures in the 158 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 1: UK UM at some of the top universities. And Professor 159 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 1: David not he's a big drug researcher over here. He 160 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:19,840 Speaker 1: has done a program recently UM and it's it's trickling down, 161 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:21,960 Speaker 1: but it's taken thirty years. So of course that's why 162 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 1: doctors doesn't don't think it works. They think it's um. 163 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 1: They think it's you know, snake oil. They think it's 164 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:31,319 Speaker 1: very dangerous, very high risk. They you know, if you 165 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:34,079 Speaker 1: ask some doctors, they think cannabis is in the same 166 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 1: risk category as a cocaine or heroin. So it's really 167 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:43,440 Speaker 1: misunderstood within the medical profession even still today. What's what's 168 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 1: crazy though, is granted is a thirty year lag from 169 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 1: when they discovered it, but my god, it's been in 170 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 1: our systems forever since we were born, right right, I 171 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 1: mean it's been around since as long as we've been 172 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 1: around fresh milk. I mean the fact that only thirty 173 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 1: years ago they discovered it is crazy. Yeah, I mean 174 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 1: we of course, you know, the cannabinoids we get from plants, 175 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:08,599 Speaker 1: so we're called phyto cannabinoids. They're similar to, yes, the 176 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 1: natural chemicals our brain and body produces in this endocannabinoids system. 177 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 1: UM and yeah, it's you know, one of the theories 178 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 1: when you talk to plant scientists is that we um, 179 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 1: we kind of evolved over thousands and thousands of years 180 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:26,680 Speaker 1: alongside certain plants in our environment, and that's potentially why 181 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 1: we can use certain plant medicines like cannabinoids and other 182 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 1: botanical medicines that they work within our own bodies, because 183 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:36,560 Speaker 1: our bodies kind of adapted and kind of evolved with 184 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 1: these plants with similical similar chemicals. UM. So it's really interesting. 185 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 1: What do you think it's gonna take for the medical 186 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 1: community as a whole to embrace cannabis. Finally, well, I 187 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 1: think there's lots of different things that need to happen. 188 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 1: I do a lot of volunteer on profile work on 189 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:58,080 Speaker 1: that side of things. So I sit on about ten 190 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 1: different committees. UM. Some of them are done committees for 191 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 1: government groups, UM. Some of them were just physician support groups, 192 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 1: nonprofit groups UM. And I think it's a mix of 193 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 1: education for doctors, education for the public. UM. You know, 194 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 1: research we need. We definitely need more research. I'm all 195 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 1: about more research. But just because we don't have, you know, 196 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 1: these huge clinical trials yet, I don't think that means 197 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 1: we should not use cannabis medicine for another ten years, 198 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:28,719 Speaker 1: because what's everyone going to do in the meantime? These 199 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 1: children with epilepsy and chronic people of chronic pain, and 200 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 1: so I think it's research, it's education, and then we 201 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 1: have to have law and legislation changes because you know, 202 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:43,080 Speaker 1: if it's not supported on the legal side, then also 203 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 1: things don't change. It just comes around in this like 204 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 1: ivory cycle of research, research, research, and it doesn't get 205 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:51,320 Speaker 1: fed back into the system. Doctor. When when when was 206 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 1: the time that you that you decided wait a minute, 207 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 1: this is this is really happening. I really need to 208 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 1: investigate it myself. I need to figure it out. When 209 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 1: was it for you? What was your oh wow moment? 210 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 1: You know, maybe share that with some of our listeners 211 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 1: because a lot of I think a lot of people 212 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 1: are waiting for that wow moment in their own life 213 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 1: to cross over. So if you can share that with this, 214 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 1: that'd be great. Yeah. So I think part of it 215 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:17,559 Speaker 1: was gradual because because I've always been interested in plantmus 216 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 1: and I'm trained in plant medicine as well as normal 217 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 1: you know, conventional medicine. But I think the real turning 218 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 1: point for me was in two thousand fifteen when I 219 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 1: had my accident and um I had two partially successful 220 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:32,679 Speaker 1: surgeries on my hand. Um I still you know, cannabis 221 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:35,200 Speaker 1: hasn't cured my anatomical hand problem. I still have no 222 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 1: ligaments left in this wrist. But basically, if I got 223 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 1: hit by a motorcycle and grew through the air in 224 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:44,840 Speaker 1: a Superman position and shattered my wrist. Um, so so yeah, 225 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 1: that was that was not ideal. Um. And I was 226 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 1: told by surgeons of multiple continents. I saw the top 227 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 1: people in I saw the top person in Singapore where 228 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 1: I originally had the injury, in Asia when I was traveling. 229 00:12:56,920 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 1: Then I saw the top person in Canada and the 230 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:02,439 Speaker 1: top person in the UK, and they all kind of said, yeah, 231 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 1: you're gonna have to take pain medicine for the rest 232 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 1: of your life. This is never going to get better. Um. 233 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 1: And I had really bad nerve pain, I had nerve damage, 234 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:11,199 Speaker 1: and in the end, I just didn't want to take 235 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 1: any of that stuff because I've seen that I've done 236 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 1: to my patients. And I end up trying topical cannabis 237 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 1: at my medical conference, at my integram medicine conference, and 238 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:22,840 Speaker 1: a colleague who was already researching it at the time said, 239 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 1: you know, you should go get a sample from those 240 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 1: guys because it's legal here. And I just started using 241 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 1: it topically for a week and my patients have been 242 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:31,839 Speaker 1: telling me this for years. Of course, So I got 243 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 1: back to Canada. I had to leave it in California 244 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 1: because I couldn't take over the border, and I'm sure 245 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:45,439 Speaker 1: if I could, this is just yeah exactly. So yeah, 246 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 1: I got back to Canada and that was the turning point. 247 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 1: That's where I was like, okay, right, I'm already I 248 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 1: was already coaching my patients who are using cannabis and 249 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 1: growing it to try to get higher CBD or you know, 250 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 1: more THHC and try to help them and coach them. 251 00:13:57,800 --> 00:13:59,839 Speaker 1: But it was more from a harm reduction capacity and 252 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 1: time I made the shift and joined a clinic who 253 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 1: was prescribing cannabis UM and I started prescribing it as 254 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 1: part of my integrated medicine practice basically, and my patients, 255 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 1: of course, we're like, we've been telling you this for years. 256 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 1: So you problems are legal hurdles you had to you 257 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 1: had to worry about when you were going to be uh, 258 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 1: you know, telling people to use it. That's you know, 259 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 1: it's one of it's the fear I think that's instilled 260 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 1: into us as physicians. UM and I have quite an 261 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 1: academic background. I'm also a published researcher, So I think 262 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 1: it was the fear more than the actual legal action. 263 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 1: And UM, my husband, who's who helps me run my practice, 264 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 1: and he's not a doctor, he's more on like the 265 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 1: business tech side, he was just like, you just got 266 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 1: to go for it. This is what you believe in. 267 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 1: This is going to help your patients. Um, there's no 268 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 1: there's nothing they can do to you legally as long 269 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 1: as you're practicing good medicine, which I was. So I 270 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 1: really went about it in a very systematic way. I 271 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 1: only took referred patients from other doctors. My letters back 272 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 1: to the doctor is who referred them were you know, 273 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 1: nine pages long kind of thing. So I probably probably 274 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 1: went over the top. Um, and nothing that ever happened 275 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 1: to me. I've never been reported to the college. I've 276 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 1: never had any black marks against my my record professionally. Um, 277 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 1: but there there's a lot of fearmongering that that's going 278 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 1: to happen to doctors. And when I now, I I 279 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 1: volunteer at my temple of mentors colleagues who are just 280 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 1: starting and they're petrified of getting their license taken away. 281 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 1: And you know, people have to remember, like we trained 282 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 1: for fifteen years and to have the potential that your 283 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 1: whole career can be taken away. And most doctors going 284 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 1: to medicine because we just want to help people and 285 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 1: then you just can't help your patients at all. That's 286 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 1: like really scary. So um, I think most of it, 287 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 1: as you know, as a lawyer, both of you guys 288 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 1: are lawyers. If there's not a lot they can do 289 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 1: legally as long as you're practicing good medicine. Um. And 290 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 1: that's really my message to doctors who are starting, like, look, 291 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 1: we can, we can. I can give your information, I 292 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 1: can give you advice on how to factors so you're 293 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 1: not in any kind of we go fyke Mars. Well, guys, 294 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 1: it's Cannabis Talk one on one. When we come back, 295 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 1: Dr Danny Gordon, you won't want to miss this. We'll 296 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 1: be right back. Welcome back, guys, Welcome back. So Dr 297 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 1: you know, I I love where you're going with this 298 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 1: and and so you know, I'm listening to your story 299 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 1: about how it actually feels like it it's you know, 300 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 1: actually helps you personally, this plant, you know, with your 301 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 1: own um pains and the things that you've been a 302 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 1: key part to a life, right once you get a 303 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 1: personal touch to something, you're like, oh, I believe in 304 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 1: this now and again again, Dr, for for you saying it. 305 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 1: You know, I I love it because you know, a 306 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 1: lot of doctors will never prescribe it, I think, you know, 307 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 1: until it's and just tell it's federal illegal, until it's 308 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 1: it's forced on them, you know. And then you have 309 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 1: the you know, the people like yourself that have actually 310 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 1: experienced something. And one key thing that resonated well with 311 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:07,200 Speaker 1: me is that you've had patients, you know, tell you, hey, 312 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 1: this helps me, and you're going, you know, probably tell 313 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 1: him just the outsite like you're you're you're probably just 314 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 1: at the beginning to going I don't know, I don't know, 315 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 1: and now you're like, hey, let me tell you about 316 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:21,119 Speaker 1: something that's crazy and and something that you touched on 317 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:23,640 Speaker 1: as we're talking to Dr Danny Gordon. You can see 318 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 1: your website at Dr Danny Gordon dot com and that's 319 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 1: d R D A and I G O R D 320 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 1: O N. And you speak internationally about CBD and cannabis 321 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 1: at conferences, trade shows, and you've been featured in the 322 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 1: Sunday Times, The Guardian, fours, BBC Television and Radio, Fast Company, Vogue, 323 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 1: The Telegraph, and many more publications. And you've been talking 324 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 1: about research and you mentioned it earlier on the show 325 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:50,200 Speaker 1: as you're a part of a lot of research. Blue 326 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 1: and I have been on the research side since Jump Street, 327 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 1: Mark and Craig Armore just use cannabis, however, you can 328 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:01,680 Speaker 1: smoke and do this. I've always has been I want 329 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 1: to see the research, and this is what I'm asking. 330 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 1: When do you think you'll see something like this happen, 331 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:09,439 Speaker 1: which is if you take or if I'll use myself 332 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 1: as an anecdotal person, if I take four advils, I 333 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 1: know my pain level goes down. When are we going 334 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:18,239 Speaker 1: to see something or is there research being looked at 335 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 1: going If you take a two to one CBD, if 336 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 1: you eat this money grams of edibles and your two 337 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:26,679 Speaker 1: d and fifty pounds are more, this should help for 338 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 1: that type of pain. Is that type of research being 339 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:33,440 Speaker 1: structured and looked at right now? Absolutely? And it's it's 340 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 1: really complex because basically what you have in conventional medicine 341 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:42,680 Speaker 1: is you have the conventional drug way of drug funnel basically, 342 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 1: so most drubs have a single active ingredient and it's 343 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 1: easy to put those in studies because you're just looking 344 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:52,199 Speaker 1: at one active ingredient, but herbal cannabis, of course, has 345 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 1: hundreds of active ingredients, so it's tricky. So there's a 346 00:18:57,280 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 1: few different ways to approach it. There's something called real 347 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:03,919 Speaker 1: world evidence or real world data, and the FDA has 348 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:06,400 Speaker 1: actually released a whole paper on it a few years ago. 349 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 1: So you know, that's really good news because this is 350 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 1: actually telling us that the regulatory bodies are interested in 351 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:19,159 Speaker 1: expanding what they consider good research or acceptable research. So 352 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 1: what that actually means in English is they're starting to 353 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 1: accept things like patient re self report data. So patients 354 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 1: are saying, I'm gonna check do this question air online 355 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 1: of how my pain is improving with my cannabis, and 356 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:35,119 Speaker 1: this is the strain I'm using, and this is the 357 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:38,680 Speaker 1: CBD THHC ratio, and and um all my dada is 358 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 1: getting tracked the A lot of people tracking that data, 359 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:44,920 Speaker 1: of course, are private companies, which there's something wrong with that, 360 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:47,480 Speaker 1: but of course it has come from academia as well, 361 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:50,399 Speaker 1: because that's the trusted standard and it's unbiased and this 362 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 1: kind of thing, so it is starting in academia as well. 363 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 1: So there's two sides to the research. There's the herbal cannabis, 364 00:19:57,160 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 1: which has to use real world data, so it has 365 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:02,959 Speaker 1: to look at how people are responding to the therapy, 366 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:07,199 Speaker 1: because trying to isolate what of the hundred compounds from 367 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:11,359 Speaker 1: this particular strain is completely almost scientifically possible. And then 368 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 1: you have the other side of it, where UM scientists 369 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 1: and research are separating the cannabinoids out like CBD and 370 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 1: th HC. What we saw with epidialects that the you know, 371 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 1: the drug that was approved by the FDA for epilepsy, 372 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 1: and then you can isolate each compound and study how 373 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:32,200 Speaker 1: that specifically works. And people always say, well, what do 374 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:34,879 Speaker 1: you prefer or I say, well, of course, both because 375 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 1: real world data helps us help patients now and the 376 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 1: single kind of isolated compounds from the cannabis plant also 377 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 1: help us understand UM from a more longer term perspective 378 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 1: and help eventually make more drugs available for people that 379 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 1: are are a bit more natural than sometimes what has 380 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 1: already been been prescribed to them. So real world data 381 00:20:57,359 --> 00:21:01,920 Speaker 1: would be the same as anecdotal It's a good question. 382 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,359 Speaker 1: So anecdotal data is at the bottom of what's called 383 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:07,200 Speaker 1: the evidence pyramids. So it's the worst kind of real 384 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 1: world Real world data is the real world data is 385 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:13,680 Speaker 1: this big, huge thing. It can be observational data, it 386 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:17,920 Speaker 1: can be huge data sets from people who are of 387 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:21,399 Speaker 1: a similar background, in a similar kind of age group, 388 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:24,119 Speaker 1: and they have the same medical problem, they're using the 389 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:27,199 Speaker 1: same strain. So there's all kinds of ways of collecting 390 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 1: real world data and somewhere better than others. Is that 391 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:38,240 Speaker 1: a project. Yes, I'm an advisor to Project one and 392 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 1: I sit on a Professor David Nuts Committee for Drug Science. 393 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 1: So that is the biggest We aim for it to 394 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 1: be the biggest real world data collection and it's going 395 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 1: to be taking place in the UK. It's already started 396 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:53,440 Speaker 1: the first small sets, so we hope that that will 397 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:56,360 Speaker 1: make quite an impact. And then there's other people from 398 00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:59,920 Speaker 1: Professor Nuts group who are working on other data like 399 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:03,880 Speaker 1: cost effectiveness data, which is really important to give governments 400 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:06,680 Speaker 1: to adopt this in a public health system. Let me 401 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:09,879 Speaker 1: ask you this and not to be labored the anecdotal evidence, 402 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 1: because we use that quite a bit, and I want 403 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 1: to make sure we're using in the proper context. When 404 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:17,200 Speaker 1: I'm reading your bio and I'm reading about project it 405 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:20,680 Speaker 1: basically is a registry that aims to enroll twenty thousand 406 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:24,120 Speaker 1: patients by the end of and create the largest body 407 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 1: of evidence for the effectiveness and tolerability of medical cannabis. 408 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:32,200 Speaker 1: So is that not patients going into a registry and 409 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:35,200 Speaker 1: saying I did this, I did that, I'm better now? 410 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:41,120 Speaker 1: Is yes, in a controlled way? So those are patients 411 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 1: who have seen a specialist doctor here in the UK, 412 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 1: many of who I've mentored and trained actually, because it's 413 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 1: quite new here still UM for medical cannabis specifically, and 414 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 1: they've had what's called they called invalidated questionnaire tools. So 415 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 1: basically it's a really specific way of asking people questions 416 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:03,119 Speaker 1: about how they're responding to a therapy. So it's been 417 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:06,400 Speaker 1: done in a medical clinic context, and it's been collected 418 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:10,200 Speaker 1: in a really rigorous fashion, a really kind of controlled, 419 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 1: specific way. UM. And that makes the data more valuable 420 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 1: because we can know more that no more about the 421 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 1: data's trustworthiness so so to speak. UM. So yeah, that 422 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:26,200 Speaker 1: is really the goal of the project and hopefully we 423 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 1: will be able to to meet those numbers. As opposed 424 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 1: to as opposed to I took cannabis, I feel better. 425 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:38,360 Speaker 1: That's anecdotal I'm guessing that's that's why that that's why 426 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 1: it's not controlled. You don't have your your your your 427 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:44,639 Speaker 1: questionnaires that have been you know, at length, you know, 428 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:47,359 Speaker 1: come up with and put in different cannabi. Dr Danny. 429 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:49,440 Speaker 1: At the beginning of your book, you actually use the 430 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,360 Speaker 1: word you had a lot of patients give you anecdotal evidence. 431 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:53,919 Speaker 1: And I've seen that word. I almost called you when 432 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 1: I was reading the book, going dude, she use anecdotal 433 00:23:56,160 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 1: evidence in her book, So, well, that's probably it's starting. 434 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 1: You know, you have to remember, so you have to 435 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:06,880 Speaker 1: start somewhere. Every breakthrough in medicine over thousands of years 436 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 1: has started with a case report, someone saying this worked 437 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 1: for me, and then you say, well, why why did 438 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 1: it work? Is it going to work for the next 439 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:17,920 Speaker 1: person the same way? And you just kind of work 440 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:19,639 Speaker 1: your way back and back and back. But you have 441 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 1: to start somewhere. I got a question about smoking cannabis 442 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 1: because we've study that it's harmful for your lungs. Their 443 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:32,399 Speaker 1: studies that it's good for your lungs. What's what's on that? 444 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 1: Your take on that? So the avidence is what we 445 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 1: call conflicted, which means we don't really know UM, which is, 446 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 1: of course we're not sure. We just don't. We just 447 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:47,119 Speaker 1: don't say that we know. But yeah, So basically what 448 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:50,160 Speaker 1: I tell my patients is when you burn any plant material, 449 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:52,879 Speaker 1: it's generally not so great for the lungs because it 450 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 1: creates um, you know, burned material, it creates inflammatory compounds, 451 00:24:57,680 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 1: that kind of thing. But cannabis is a plant, of course, 452 00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:02,440 Speaker 1: I'll has a lot of anti inflammatory compounds too, So 453 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 1: that's why we think we don't see the same um 454 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:08,880 Speaker 1: rates of lung cancer and lung disease that we see 455 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,920 Speaker 1: with cigarette smoking that we do with with you know, 456 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:16,880 Speaker 1: smoking cannabis UM. But for medical and wellness purposes then 457 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 1: of course I always recommend people use a vaporizer UM 458 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 1: and use the lowest temperature setting that they can find 459 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 1: helps them. Now, for some people find at the higher 460 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:30,440 Speaker 1: temperature settings because you get different cannabinoids kind of vaporizing 461 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:33,640 Speaker 1: off at different temperatures might be more effective for their pain. 462 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:35,440 Speaker 1: But I always have them to start at a lower 463 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,360 Speaker 1: temperature and then work their way up for harm reduction 464 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 1: and type stuff. You know, in your professional opinion, what 465 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:44,560 Speaker 1: do you think the best way to um to to 466 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,320 Speaker 1: ingest it is or to take in cannabis. I mean, 467 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:48,960 Speaker 1: is it going to be smoking, is it going to 468 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 1: be that you know, the tinctures or you know what? 469 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 1: What do you what do you think the future of 470 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 1: it looks like. Again, for the medical side and the 471 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 1: wellness sides, certainly there's a idea of ways to take 472 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 1: it depending on what effect you want to have. So 473 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,399 Speaker 1: for someone who has a chronic condition that they need 474 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 1: constant relief and they might have been on opioid pain 475 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 1: killers before, I want them on a low level of 476 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:16,119 Speaker 1: like a long acting formula. So that could be something 477 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,600 Speaker 1: like a tincture they take by mouth. That could be 478 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,359 Speaker 1: a patch that's transdermal through the skin, which is kind 479 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:23,640 Speaker 1: of a newer technology that's coming out now, but it's 480 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 1: pretty new. So um, that could be some of these 481 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 1: high tech formulations that come into pill form that are 482 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:33,399 Speaker 1: kind of checked up to release the canabinoids more slowly 483 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 1: into a bloodstream. And then after that, when people have 484 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:39,800 Speaker 1: pain crises or they have muscle spasm and they need 485 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:44,440 Speaker 1: immediate relief, then the inhaled way is really effective because 486 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 1: it's on set. It's like five minutes, So you inhale 487 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:51,159 Speaker 1: the cannabis five minutes later usually you will have an 488 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 1: effect UM. So usually I say baseline of a long 489 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 1: acting just like most drugs actually for pain control, and 490 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 1: then UM for for rescue. There, p Inhaled is very effective. 491 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 1: So so many patients. You've seen thousands of them. And 492 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 1: now I want to sit in Dr Danny Gordon's office 493 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,360 Speaker 1: and say, your patient is Joe Grande and I've had 494 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,359 Speaker 1: two hip surgeries. I have a bad ankle, Dr Gordon. 495 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 1: And when I say I have a bad ankle, I've 496 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:18,679 Speaker 1: been scheduled for surgery on it because I cracked at 497 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 1: eighth grade. It's been ongoing. I now have arthritis and 498 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 1: my hips. I've been currently using CBD on a daily 499 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,960 Speaker 1: basis and cream. My pain level went from I would 500 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 1: say that it's worse about an eight to a consistent 501 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:32,880 Speaker 1: three to four, you know. And I live, and I walk, 502 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 1: and I buckle sometimes when I'm walking, I have a 503 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 1: legal handicap sticker, And I'm just wondering, you know, being 504 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,919 Speaker 1: an old athlete, you know, forty eight and I played football, rugby, 505 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 1: about every sport you can imagine wrestling growing up. Is 506 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 1: there anything else that I should be in consuming besides 507 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 1: the daily use of CBD and is there a special 508 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,120 Speaker 1: CBD that I should be using a different ratio because 509 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:58,639 Speaker 1: I'm using pretty much, you know, point zero three on 510 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,720 Speaker 1: the thh C side, and I'm using the cream that 511 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:05,120 Speaker 1: does have th C, So that's kind of my protocol. 512 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,400 Speaker 1: I'm wondering if I can get a consult back. Now 513 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 1: you forgotten about the worst problem you have. Having you 514 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,200 Speaker 1: next to me, I was gonna say that thing that's 515 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,040 Speaker 1: wrong with your brain? Dr. Before you answer that, DRD, 516 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:24,960 Speaker 1: ask him, please ask him for his copee. It doesn't 517 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 1: work metical advice on social media, as I have to 518 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 1: say many times. But if you were my patient and 519 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 1: you came to me, this is a really typical pain 520 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,879 Speaker 1: consultation that I would receive. So it really depends on 521 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,239 Speaker 1: quite a few factors. The first one is more from 522 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 1: a legal perspective. Do you have to do a safety 523 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 1: sensitive job during the day, Because if the answer is yes, 524 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,719 Speaker 1: then the th HC being kept really low is probably 525 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 1: important for most people. Maybe I should add a couple 526 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,280 Speaker 1: more things, Dr Danny. I've also been sober twenty two 527 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,480 Speaker 1: plus years, so I've been kind of negligent on you know, 528 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 1: concer do mean anything with a higher level I should 529 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 1: have put that in my consultation as well, and I 530 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 1: just said I had the two surgeries. Yeah, so that's 531 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 1: why i've been you know. But but I'm not opposed 532 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 1: to doing it from a medical standpoint if it's going 533 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,840 Speaker 1: to help with my inflammation as it gets worse sometimes, 534 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 1: like I don't want it gets colder, exactly. I'm not 535 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,240 Speaker 1: opposed it for the medical standpoint. I'm just uh, I'm not. 536 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,040 Speaker 1: But I am, for myself opposed to just use it 537 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,640 Speaker 1: to feel better during the day or at night. I 538 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 1: don't want to just feel better at night and and 539 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:32,440 Speaker 1: smoke a joint or something, you know. I mean, I 540 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 1: want to feel better because I use it for medicine. 541 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 1: I use it for pain relief. So I should have 542 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 1: elaborated I did. Yeah, that's it's great. That's actually a 543 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:46,520 Speaker 1: part of our intake form UM, so by the Canadian 544 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 1: practice that I was a part of. That's part of 545 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 1: our intake is risk of cannabis addiction UM, past history 546 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:58,560 Speaker 1: of other you know, substance use or misuse UM. Because 547 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 1: it helps us kind of counsel the patient sitting in 548 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,240 Speaker 1: front of us. So if I have someone who has 549 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,840 Speaker 1: been sober and they've had a past history with any substance, 550 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 1: especially if it was cannabis, but it could be alcohol, 551 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 1: it could be cocaine whatever. Right, Yeah, okay, so so 552 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,280 Speaker 1: poly we call it poly substance. So you know, in 553 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,720 Speaker 1: a harm reduction capacity, UM, we would want to start 554 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 1: with exactly what you're currently doing with that kind of 555 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:27,640 Speaker 1: hemp level of high CBD really low t c UM. 556 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 1: Now it gets trickier because people are not too dimensional. 557 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 1: So if I have a patient I've had this before 558 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,880 Speaker 1: in my clinic that comes to me and they already 559 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 1: have to take prescription opioids UM, and they've had a 560 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,200 Speaker 1: history of struggling with substances, I want to get them 561 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,240 Speaker 1: off the opioids. I'll at least want to be able 562 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 1: to slowly reduce them down UM. And that's when we 563 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 1: usually talk about how bad is their pain and UM. 564 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 1: Oftentimes they're often medicating with substances like alcohol to help 565 00:30:58,040 --> 00:30:59,520 Speaker 1: their pain and to help them get to sleep because 566 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:01,040 Speaker 1: they're in pain all the time and I can't sleep. 567 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 1: So it's this whole matrix that gets quite tricky, and 568 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:06,280 Speaker 1: we have to sit down and we have to say 569 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,680 Speaker 1: what's the west harmful thing to do here? And sometimes 570 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 1: we do use medical cannabis with th HC higher amounts, 571 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,960 Speaker 1: but I always buffer it with a lot of CBB, 572 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,440 Speaker 1: so the ratio is still quite high UM, and I 573 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,440 Speaker 1: usually tell people please don't smoke it, and usually not 574 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:26,320 Speaker 1: inhaled if there's a past history of UM misuse or 575 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,360 Speaker 1: a really strong family history of addiction, because some people's 576 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,400 Speaker 1: brains are wired for that dopamine, that that feel good 577 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:37,120 Speaker 1: reward chemical from any chemical UM, including cannabis, So that 578 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,520 Speaker 1: is a factor and we need better paying control, especially 579 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 1: if they're having to self medicate with alcohol or UM 580 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:48,360 Speaker 1: or we know strong sleeping pills or opioids. Then we 581 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:52,000 Speaker 1: start by keeping the CBD really high because we think 582 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 1: that actually buffers the risk of addiction in the preliminary research, 583 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,320 Speaker 1: which is super cool. And then we add usually in 584 00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:00,840 Speaker 1: the night time before they go to bed, a baseline 585 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:04,760 Speaker 1: of a long acting one to one, so half CBD 586 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:09,000 Speaker 1: half th HC oil or tincture. That's going to be 587 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,800 Speaker 1: slow release, so they don't get the same reward to 588 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:15,680 Speaker 1: the brain, but they're getting that baseline pain relief that 589 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:19,760 Speaker 1: the th HC can bring UM. So that's usually my approach, 590 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 1: and you know, oftentimes I'm working with a psychiatrist who's 591 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:25,840 Speaker 1: involved or a psychologist who's involved in their care. So 592 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 1: it's really this multidimensional team approach. Well Blues my psychiatrist, 593 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 1: semi therapist. So do you think a wonder one would 594 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,760 Speaker 1: work good? You know, I think I think the reality 595 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:38,760 Speaker 1: behind it is that, um, I think it can help, 596 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,560 Speaker 1: you know, even for people that have addiction personality, as 597 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:43,880 Speaker 1: long as they understand what they're going into, you know, 598 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,720 Speaker 1: and don't turn it into a slippery slope because again 599 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:52,800 Speaker 1: you can go get one right and what and what 600 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:57,920 Speaker 1: she is prescribing though, is something far from that exactly. 601 00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:01,560 Speaker 1: It's it really shows how because we've been told by 602 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:03,520 Speaker 1: other experts in the past that you know, that's a 603 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,640 Speaker 1: concert effect with the CBD and the thh C and 604 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,600 Speaker 1: the t c A and all the different sub CBDs 605 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:13,760 Speaker 1: and th hc s and that really so this really 606 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:18,480 Speaker 1: shows by the you know, taking a tinsture that slow release, 607 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,240 Speaker 1: so over the course of the evening or however long 608 00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,960 Speaker 1: it's you know, it's starting to work, not taking that 609 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:29,440 Speaker 1: hit and go oh and then that could trigger your 610 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,840 Speaker 1: addiction and it could be a gateway back into the craft. 611 00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,160 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I would, yeah, exactly, and I don't think 612 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,960 Speaker 1: that cannabis is the quote unquote gateway. But I just 613 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:41,520 Speaker 1: know for me personally, But that's my advice. Was correct 614 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:43,840 Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong, Dr Danny. What I really heard 615 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 1: from that is taking a one to one at night 616 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,600 Speaker 1: is probably the best tinster. Tinster is that. I just 617 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:51,080 Speaker 1: I was hoping one to one. I just get one 618 00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,760 Speaker 1: one and it's all party together, go home with one 619 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,360 Speaker 1: in one person. I don't care who but one. Sorry 620 00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,840 Speaker 1: that we have to have fun to do, right. Um, 621 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,560 Speaker 1: But Dr Danny, correct me if I'm wrong. From everything 622 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,920 Speaker 1: you said, that was very great to hear. I took 623 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,960 Speaker 1: from it trying my what I'm doing now during the day, 624 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:11,680 Speaker 1: but a one to one at night before I go 625 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,200 Speaker 1: to bed. Yeah, And I would say just do it 626 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:17,319 Speaker 1: under medical supervision because if that's the history, you want 627 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,319 Speaker 1: someone being able to monitor from an objective point of view. 628 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,480 Speaker 1: So when I prescribe for patients with that kind of history, 629 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,880 Speaker 1: I am monitoring them really closely. Um, what's going on, 630 00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:34,320 Speaker 1: what's going on with their cravings tomorrow? Other people involved. 631 00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,640 Speaker 1: They usually I always have to usually have a psychia 632 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:43,520 Speaker 1: psychiatrists assess them as well. So I'm really careful because, um, 633 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:47,440 Speaker 1: of course everyone has a different threshold. I have colleagues 634 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,160 Speaker 1: who are a little bit more cavalier, but they have 635 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:54,320 Speaker 1: had the occasional not so good outcome. Um, it's not common, 636 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:58,839 Speaker 1: but I am much more conservative, I think. But I've 637 00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:02,640 Speaker 1: never had someone get addicted to the medical campus I've 638 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,600 Speaker 1: prescribed for them, So, um, everyone has their own way 639 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:07,920 Speaker 1: of practicing. But that's my way to be very cautious. 640 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,440 Speaker 1: Keep the CBD really high. So even if you add 641 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:15,400 Speaker 1: t HC, still really keep the CBD really high dose 642 00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:19,360 Speaker 1: because it seems to buffer that kind of addictive response. 643 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:21,799 Speaker 1: You know. One of the things that I was always uh, 644 00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,359 Speaker 1: you know, telling Joe's I think he should if he does, 645 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,880 Speaker 1: it's just micro dose, you know, coming very very very slow, 646 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:30,359 Speaker 1: very very slow, very very soon. I like to think 647 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,279 Speaker 1: at night, because it makes sense if I still stay 648 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,880 Speaker 1: high on the CBD all day like I do, and 649 00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:36,560 Speaker 1: then I just take it at night, which will help 650 00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:38,200 Speaker 1: me go to bed, because I have a hard time 651 00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:39,960 Speaker 1: going to sleep at night as well, right, So that 652 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,240 Speaker 1: would be I think that's a that's a great advice, actually, 653 00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,320 Speaker 1: but I think again, But I think the point is 654 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,600 Speaker 1: though that the slow release is not necessarily going to 655 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,080 Speaker 1: help you sleep. I may be wrong, but you're getting 656 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:52,560 Speaker 1: the you're getting the the medicinal value of the th 657 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:57,160 Speaker 1: h C that's not getting you Ht's exactly you know, 658 00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:01,840 Speaker 1: And i'd be actually because PHC can be more sensative 659 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:05,600 Speaker 1: for many people, um, but some people it's the strain 660 00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,640 Speaker 1: effect as well. So for example, if you end up 661 00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,919 Speaker 1: trying the strategy and you try a one to one 662 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:14,920 Speaker 1: from a certain strain and you feel wired, it might 663 00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:18,439 Speaker 1: the Turkey profile, it might be the other cannabinoids in there, 664 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,239 Speaker 1: because you don't know everything yet. So I've had that 665 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,200 Speaker 1: happened to patients. So I always tell doesn't this should 666 00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:27,440 Speaker 1: be calming, but if you feel wired, you need to 667 00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:28,919 Speaker 1: come up and tell me. Could you need this ferch 668 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,719 Speaker 1: the strain? Right? Well, guys, it's Cannabis Talk one on one. 669 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:36,160 Speaker 1: We're talking to doctor Danny Gordon, the world famous doctor 670 00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:38,400 Speaker 1: Danny Gordon, and we'll be right back after this break. 671 00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:50,600 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Cannabis Talk one oh one here with 672 00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:54,720 Speaker 1: Joe Grande Blue, Me and my brother the Pop Brothers 673 00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:59,040 Speaker 1: at Law and Dr Danny Gordon with a great interview 674 00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:03,080 Speaker 1: so far. She's the author of the of the c 675 00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:09,799 Speaker 1: B Bible, the CBD Bible, and from what we're hearing 676 00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:13,560 Speaker 1: from her, she has every right to write the CBD BIB. 677 00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:15,520 Speaker 1: I mean she speaks truth. Not only that she was 678 00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:19,000 Speaker 1: the youngest doctor to become the American Board Certified and 679 00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:23,600 Speaker 1: Integrated and Holistic Medicine. She joins cannabis from anecdotal evidence. 680 00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,720 Speaker 1: And because of this anecdotal evidence. Right now, I'm about 681 00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:29,759 Speaker 1: to point out to Dr Danny, you heard me just 682 00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,760 Speaker 1: say Mark, bring us back in. But Mark's already smoked 683 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:36,239 Speaker 1: three joints during this interview when we're doing this, do 684 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,439 Speaker 1: you think this anecdotal evidence prove hold on, Marco, don't 685 00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,279 Speaker 1: make me turn you off. Don't make me turn you off. Please. 686 00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:46,439 Speaker 1: So I'm asking you, Dr Danny, do you think he's 687 00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:51,160 Speaker 1: either stupid deaf or because he smoked three joints, he 688 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,960 Speaker 1: didn't cut her hand when I said Mark bring us 689 00:37:54,040 --> 00:38:00,360 Speaker 1: back that he normally I'm talking to Dr Danny Mark. Hey, Hey, hey, language, anguige, 690 00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,239 Speaker 1: little brother language. Can I talk to Dr Danny and 691 00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:06,360 Speaker 1: ask you a question? So I'm asking you, Dr Danny, 692 00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,279 Speaker 1: what you just witnessed. Do you think that that was 693 00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,279 Speaker 1: because you know what Joe, I want to let me 694 00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:14,520 Speaker 1: ask Dr Danny this. I want to know the answer. 695 00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:18,560 Speaker 1: How old were you when you started when I started 696 00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,759 Speaker 1: in medicine? I well, my first degree, I started when 697 00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:24,600 Speaker 1: I was seventeen, and then I got into medical school 698 00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,480 Speaker 1: when I was funny, just funny one, So I started 699 00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:30,279 Speaker 1: pretty early. How did you get involved in becoming a 700 00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:33,600 Speaker 1: doctor so young? Where did this drive come from? I 701 00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:35,360 Speaker 1: didn't know. I was a weird kid. I was always 702 00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:38,480 Speaker 1: really driven. Um, yeah I was. I was that weird, 703 00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:42,040 Speaker 1: nerdy kid. You don't want to ask you something before 704 00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,160 Speaker 1: before we get to the high five. I want to 705 00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,960 Speaker 1: ask you a question for myself and a lot of 706 00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:53,160 Speaker 1: our listeners. If I want to get cb D, you 707 00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:56,480 Speaker 1: know HEMP derives CBD, what you can get anywhere, everywhere, 708 00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,439 Speaker 1: all over the world, how do I look to see 709 00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,480 Speaker 1: if it's good or if it's if it's snake oil, 710 00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,680 Speaker 1: if it's you know how there's no real best practices. 711 00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:08,040 Speaker 1: I don't never work for me. So how how do 712 00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:11,640 Speaker 1: you know you're getting something that's you know, that's decent 713 00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:15,560 Speaker 1: or good, or or is your top shelf? Yeah? I 714 00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:17,839 Speaker 1: always tell people, and I talked about this a lot 715 00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,560 Speaker 1: in the book, because it is a question that's so important. 716 00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:23,560 Speaker 1: It's it's a tricky one because you know, there's a 717 00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:26,000 Speaker 1: lot of brands that do things really well, but there's 718 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,400 Speaker 1: a lot of brands that don't. So the safest thing 719 00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:30,160 Speaker 1: to do is look for what's called the c o 720 00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,680 Speaker 1: A from a product, a certificate of analysis, which means 721 00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,400 Speaker 1: that that product has been tested by a third party 722 00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:42,440 Speaker 1: UM independent scientific laboratory to say, hey, yes, it has 723 00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:44,799 Speaker 1: this much CBD in it, just like we said it did, 724 00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:46,600 Speaker 1: and it doesn't have any of this other stuff that 725 00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:48,800 Speaker 1: we said it didn't have in it, like heavy metals 726 00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,280 Speaker 1: or high TC. If you're looking for a hand product, 727 00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:54,719 Speaker 1: for example, UM and just use a reputable brand and 728 00:39:55,040 --> 00:40:00,800 Speaker 1: look for those things. One more question, how did the 729 00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:02,960 Speaker 1: now I don't know if it affects you where you're 730 00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:07,160 Speaker 1: over where you are, but the d e A change 731 00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,800 Speaker 1: the rules on hamp here in the californ in the 732 00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:13,560 Speaker 1: United States. Have you heard about that? I don't. I 733 00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:15,640 Speaker 1: can't say I know much about that at the moment. No, 734 00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,319 Speaker 1: because it's different over here, in different in Canada as well, 735 00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:22,920 Speaker 1: they're counting the I think it's the I forget about 736 00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:27,560 Speaker 1: the mark. Do you know what? Yeah, the Delta eight yeah, 737 00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:30,600 Speaker 1: they're counting. They're counting down to eight now as as 738 00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:35,359 Speaker 1: an illegal class one correct, which which actually gets over 739 00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:37,280 Speaker 1: a lot of the point oh three's where the Delta 740 00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:41,919 Speaker 1: eight wasn't counted. Point three, big brother, points point three. Yeah, 741 00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:44,640 Speaker 1: Delta it's huge right now. I mean in smoke shops, 742 00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:48,160 Speaker 1: it's everywhere, and it's getting people completely high. And um, 743 00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:50,480 Speaker 1: I'm sure there's a lot of medals Delta eight. No, 744 00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:55,040 Speaker 1: Delta eight doesn't get your high, doesn't. It is mild 745 00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:59,280 Speaker 1: loose more, it's psycho psycho mimetic, which is a really scientific, 746 00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:02,920 Speaker 1: fancy word to say it can make you feel high. Um, 747 00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,359 Speaker 1: but of course that's really subjective, and it's it's less 748 00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:12,520 Speaker 1: strong than Delta nine. Umah everywhere. Yeah, you're right, it's 749 00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:16,360 Speaker 1: actually Delta nine that everywhere now. Yeah, Delta nine is 750 00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:20,360 Speaker 1: now being sold all throughout like smoke shops everywhere here locally. 751 00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:28,520 Speaker 1: Delta nine. Sorry, Delta eight is the metabolite of th HC. 752 00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:30,960 Speaker 1: That is now it sounds like the d A is 753 00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:35,719 Speaker 1: taking issue with that's more mildly psycho mimetic. Psychoactive. Well, 754 00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:40,200 Speaker 1: they're all psycho active psycho memetic. Um, but it's um yeah, 755 00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:43,759 Speaker 1: I mean, it's who knows what's going to happen with 756 00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:45,879 Speaker 1: this legislation. I mean in Europe right now they're talking 757 00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:50,399 Speaker 1: about making cb D classes. Are are narconic again, which 758 00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:54,080 Speaker 1: is completely insane, insane. It's all over the world. It's insane, 759 00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:56,399 Speaker 1: and it just helps everybody out. We're talking to Dr 760 00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:59,600 Speaker 1: Danny Gordon, her book, The CBD Bible. I'm just curious, 761 00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:01,960 Speaker 1: Dr Danny Gordon, as you're in London. You grew up 762 00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,959 Speaker 1: in Germany. All the studies that we've been seeing coming 763 00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:08,440 Speaker 1: out to live in Canada. So you live in Canada. Now, 764 00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:12,719 Speaker 1: my bad, I thought she grew up in Canada. I 765 00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:17,239 Speaker 1: actually the US, but I'm from Canada. My medical practices there, 766 00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:21,279 Speaker 1: I'm a transplant but yes, okay. So my question is, though, 767 00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,040 Speaker 1: all this research that's been going on in Israel and 768 00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:26,760 Speaker 1: all the research that you've done for the CBD Bible, 769 00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:29,600 Speaker 1: how do you utilize and look at all that stuff? 770 00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:32,319 Speaker 1: Because from our standpoint, I would say everybody on our 771 00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:35,680 Speaker 1: team is amazed by what Israel is doing and how 772 00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:39,400 Speaker 1: they are, in our opinion, the forefront of what researches. 773 00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:41,239 Speaker 1: But yet, of course, in America and I don't know 774 00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:44,319 Speaker 1: what they do there in London or Europe for that matter, 775 00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:47,759 Speaker 1: do they take Israel's research into consideration and what is 776 00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:51,200 Speaker 1: your thoughts on it? A great question. There's so much 777 00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:53,440 Speaker 1: great research coming out of Israel, and the nice thing 778 00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:56,200 Speaker 1: about what we're seeing there is they're allowing a lot 779 00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:59,000 Speaker 1: of these clinical teaching hospitals to become involved, so you 780 00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:02,720 Speaker 1: have access of patients. So it's really a partnership between 781 00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:06,280 Speaker 1: industry who are making the products, and the academic groups 782 00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:08,440 Speaker 1: and in the hospital, so they're getting a lot of 783 00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:12,719 Speaker 1: clinical data which is so valuable. So I yes, I 784 00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:16,440 Speaker 1: value that so much. Now in the UK, what we're 785 00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,760 Speaker 1: seeing legislatively, on the legal side and on the government 786 00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:23,760 Speaker 1: side is there's a bit of an obsession around UK data. 787 00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:27,359 Speaker 1: So if the study is done in Germany or sun 788 00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,799 Speaker 1: in Israel, then they don't take as much into consideration 789 00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:34,040 Speaker 1: with some of these um uh, these government bodies that 790 00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:36,680 Speaker 1: are you know, trying to we're trying to get them 791 00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:38,480 Speaker 1: to regulate, you know, to allow it as a as 792 00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:41,120 Speaker 1: a medicine and prescribed on the public system for example. 793 00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:46,160 Speaker 1: So UM, my answer is any good research should be 794 00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:49,880 Speaker 1: considered no matter what country is doing it. Um. But 795 00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:56,880 Speaker 1: some jurisdictions prefer their own studies from their own area first, 796 00:43:57,600 --> 00:43:59,960 Speaker 1: while guys just cannabis talk one on and it's time. 797 00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:04,239 Speaker 1: I'm for the high five. Yes it is. And I 798 00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:06,839 Speaker 1: gotta tell you, Dr Danny Gordon. Everything you've been saying 799 00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,760 Speaker 1: has been so interesting, and knowing that you're the youngest 800 00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:11,560 Speaker 1: doctor to do that. I like how you called yourself 801 00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:13,640 Speaker 1: a nerd. Like that. I think that's cool. I think 802 00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:16,360 Speaker 1: it's inspiring for a lot of people out there, let 803 00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,759 Speaker 1: alone young ladies, to go out there and learn as 804 00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:21,719 Speaker 1: much as you can and you know, get some more 805 00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:25,000 Speaker 1: research because you know, I think the research is the key. 806 00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:27,120 Speaker 1: Once we have that research, that's what's going to change 807 00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:28,800 Speaker 1: it all for us. And now it's time for the 808 00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:32,440 Speaker 1: high five with Dr Danny. Question number one, how are you? 809 00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:34,520 Speaker 1: How old are you the first time you smoked weed? 810 00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:37,719 Speaker 1: And where'd you get it from? Oh? I knew I 811 00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,040 Speaker 1: was gonna get this question out here the first time. 812 00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:43,200 Speaker 1: See me the first time I smoked weed? I was 813 00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:45,239 Speaker 1: let me think, I have to really think about this 814 00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:52,800 Speaker 1: twenty two two, um, and this I know it's shocking, 815 00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:54,759 Speaker 1: but I you gotta remember I grew up in the 816 00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:57,640 Speaker 1: States in the War on Drugs era. So I was 817 00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:01,600 Speaker 1: petrified of cannabis. It and all my friends smoked cannabis 818 00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:02,960 Speaker 1: in high school. I was one of the only ones, 819 00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:07,480 Speaker 1: but I was a nurse. Where'd you grow up in California? 820 00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:10,520 Speaker 1: I know I grew up in Mary Beach and South Carolina. 821 00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:13,960 Speaker 1: We're all missed that. We don't know where she's from 822 00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:19,440 Speaker 1: California whatever. It looked like a California girl. And where'd 823 00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:21,920 Speaker 1: you get it from? I got it from well, I 824 00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:23,359 Speaker 1: don't know if I got it from a friend. I'm 825 00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:29,960 Speaker 1: not going to out her friend who she She was, 826 00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,440 Speaker 1: just like, I can't believe you've never tried cannabis. Is ridiculous. 827 00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:34,440 Speaker 1: So she's like, come over and rolls to join and 828 00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:37,000 Speaker 1: we're gonna watch Sex in the City. And so we did, 829 00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:39,320 Speaker 1: and of course I just laughed the whole time, and 830 00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:41,919 Speaker 1: I thought it was great, but it's funny. I never 831 00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:45,160 Speaker 1: really I didn't do it again for years. Um, I 832 00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:49,040 Speaker 1: just not really into recreational cannabis. It was fun, and 833 00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:52,680 Speaker 1: I could understand how people liked it. We ate some chips, 834 00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:55,239 Speaker 1: like it was very stereotypical. We ate potato chips, and 835 00:45:55,280 --> 00:46:00,479 Speaker 1: we want to get to that next and the reason 836 00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:02,680 Speaker 1: she was using it actually is because she had an 837 00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:06,080 Speaker 1: autoimmune condition and she was funny, he was helping for inflammation. 838 00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:08,440 Speaker 1: And this is before we really knew any of that stuff. 839 00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:10,200 Speaker 1: She was just like, I really find it helps, Like 840 00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:13,719 Speaker 1: I think it helps my joints. So um, yeah, that 841 00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:17,960 Speaker 1: was my first experience smoking cannabis. And you know, since then, 842 00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:22,640 Speaker 1: it's honestly, I've only tried, only smoked cannabis a few times. 843 00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:24,560 Speaker 1: I can also say that I know it sounds so 844 00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:29,040 Speaker 1: boring um for me. You know, I'm just not I'm 845 00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:32,680 Speaker 1: not drawn to TC is a substance necessarily, Um. But 846 00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:35,200 Speaker 1: I have friends who just love it. They used instead 847 00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:38,360 Speaker 1: of alcohol, and I think it has less harmful effects 848 00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:43,719 Speaker 1: on the braves of alcohol alcohol And now he just 849 00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:48,480 Speaker 1: smokes more. Question number two, and you do use cannabis, 850 00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:52,279 Speaker 1: what's your favorite way to do it? Oh? Sorry, when 851 00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:56,680 Speaker 1: I do use cannabis, um, I would say, well, I 852 00:46:56,800 --> 00:47:01,160 Speaker 1: use CBD oil. Um, what's my favorite way? It depends? 853 00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,640 Speaker 1: I guess so topically. I actually like the stuff with 854 00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:05,759 Speaker 1: CVD and th HC for my hands, but I can't 855 00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:08,080 Speaker 1: get it in the UK, So when I'm in North America, 856 00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:11,600 Speaker 1: I use a topical with both UM. In the UK, 857 00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:15,719 Speaker 1: I use hemp products because they're just legal here. UM. 858 00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:19,160 Speaker 1: And same with you know, for stress like I'm having 859 00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:23,040 Speaker 1: a particularly heavy week. UM, I find a really good 860 00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:25,719 Speaker 1: dose of CBD, even from hands, is really helpful. And 861 00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:27,640 Speaker 1: I use it before I started meditating, so I have 862 00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:31,120 Speaker 1: a meditation practice. UM. It sounds very boring, but that 863 00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:34,920 Speaker 1: is basically how I use it. UM. And as far 864 00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:37,480 Speaker 1: as other kinds of used th HC, the few times 865 00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:39,920 Speaker 1: I have found it really helpful is when I've flown 866 00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:44,560 Speaker 1: across the pond over to North America to the States, 867 00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:48,480 Speaker 1: and I found when it's the jet legs situation, a 868 00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:51,439 Speaker 1: little bit of a th HC edible is really really 869 00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:53,480 Speaker 1: helpful for me for jet like it just helped me 870 00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:56,080 Speaker 1: fall asleep. UM. So that's the other way I've used 871 00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:58,680 Speaker 1: on the th HC side before. Very good question number 872 00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:02,960 Speaker 1: three of the High Five with doctor Danny Gordon, Craziest 873 00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:09,560 Speaker 1: place you've ever used or smoked cannabis? Well, I have 874 00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:13,040 Speaker 1: to say I'm got the cannab a smoker, so got 875 00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:17,080 Speaker 1: used it, used it or smoked it? Use it? I 876 00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:20,600 Speaker 1: smoked it, I would say probably at the medical conference 877 00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:22,840 Speaker 1: because when I got the sample of the of the 878 00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:26,040 Speaker 1: topical in California, which is legal. I was putting it 879 00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:28,600 Speaker 1: on my hand as I was, you know, at this 880 00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:32,480 Speaker 1: really conventional medical conference for a week, and um, I 881 00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:35,719 Speaker 1: was telling everyone about it, and yeah, I guess that's 882 00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:37,960 Speaker 1: kind of crazy because I was the only one using it. 883 00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:41,600 Speaker 1: It kind of smelled pretty cannabisy. The only doctor. They're going, 884 00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:48,240 Speaker 1: wait a minute, are you smoking? Doctor Danny Gordon, double 885 00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:52,280 Speaker 1: board certified medical doctor. Question number four of the Cannabis 886 00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:54,719 Speaker 1: Talk one on one high five, what is your go 887 00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:59,920 Speaker 1: to munchies when you get high? Oh? Well, my guy, 888 00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:03,879 Speaker 1: munchies in general, I would say, rather than being high, 889 00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:07,400 Speaker 1: because it's so few and far between, I would have 890 00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:11,000 Speaker 1: to say Ben and Jerry's vegan ice cream with the 891 00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:15,520 Speaker 1: brownie pieces. With the brownie pieces, I love it. And 892 00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:18,399 Speaker 1: now with the bun is exactly. I was just gonna say, 893 00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:20,439 Speaker 1: the pregnancy munch He's got you eating that more often 894 00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:24,719 Speaker 1: than not nowadays, exactly, like every day. Congratulations on that, 895 00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:29,440 Speaker 1: Good luck on the girl. It's a boy. Are you 896 00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:34,879 Speaker 1: naming them blue? We do have the name, but we're 897 00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:36,880 Speaker 1: keeping it a bit quiet because it's a bit of 898 00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:39,239 Speaker 1: a hippie name, so we don't want anything like it 899 00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:42,960 Speaker 1: from the family until until it's already too late. Awesome, Well, 900 00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:45,360 Speaker 1: don't do a reveal party where you have an electronic 901 00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:48,440 Speaker 1: theme because out here in california's the biggest fire ever 902 00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:51,279 Speaker 1: they had that's going on right now. Huge. Did you 903 00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:54,480 Speaker 1: guys see it out there from a reveal party of 904 00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:57,440 Speaker 1: the birth of the baby And that's that's the big 905 00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:01,360 Speaker 1: fire that's going they had. I reveal like a machine 906 00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:08,680 Speaker 1: that when someone oh my goodness, fireworks. Yeah. Question number 907 00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:12,480 Speaker 1: five with Dr Danny Gordon, if you could smoke weed 908 00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:16,560 Speaker 1: with anyone dead are alive, who would it be? And why? 909 00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:21,520 Speaker 1: Oh man, this is a good one. Who am I 910 00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:24,520 Speaker 1: going to choose? Do they have to do the other 911 00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:31,040 Speaker 1: person have to smoke weed? Or anybody whatever whatever, anybody live. 912 00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:36,120 Speaker 1: I would love to smoke weed with Albert Einstein if 913 00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:38,560 Speaker 1: I had to choose, because I'm a huge science nerd 914 00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:42,399 Speaker 1: and you know a lot of his discoveries. Supposedly we're 915 00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:46,160 Speaker 1: potentially psychedelically induced, not probably with cannabis, but potentially with 916 00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:49,600 Speaker 1: LST or something else, which is another area of interest 917 00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:52,200 Speaker 1: for me, is like adelic medicine, So that would be 918 00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:56,080 Speaker 1: my choice. You know, And I got another question going 919 00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:57,960 Speaker 1: back to this. You know your book and all the 920 00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:00,799 Speaker 1: research that you've done. Because your book, for those who 921 00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:02,480 Speaker 1: are interested, you can go out and check out our 922 00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:04,960 Speaker 1: book called the CBD Bible, and you can find it 923 00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:07,120 Speaker 1: on Amazon or wherever you get your books at. But 924 00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:10,200 Speaker 1: once again, the CBD Bible, in your research instuff that 925 00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:15,360 Speaker 1: you've done. Have you noticed anybody that over consumes cannabis 926 00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:19,920 Speaker 1: and it doesn't affect them the same way? Definitely? Some 927 00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:23,399 Speaker 1: people just have different thresholds. So some person can say 928 00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:26,360 Speaker 1: the same amount of grams per day and be intoxicated 929 00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:29,680 Speaker 1: or have um, potentially an unhealthy relationship with cannabis, and 930 00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:32,520 Speaker 1: then the next person can see the same amount and 931 00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:35,480 Speaker 1: feel that it makes senseention more normally. And a lot 932 00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:37,640 Speaker 1: of times it's some really bad chronic pain patients or 933 00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:41,640 Speaker 1: patients who are potentially not neurologically UM I say normal, 934 00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:44,000 Speaker 1: but you know, yeah, what we can sort of medically 935 00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:49,400 Speaker 1: normalized that feel more normal when they smoke cannabis. So 936 00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:53,000 Speaker 1: if someone's doing five thousand milligrams a day to go 937 00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:55,880 Speaker 1: to bed, would that be something that they should just 938 00:51:56,000 --> 00:52:00,759 Speaker 1: consistently go higher on or something that is normal? I 939 00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:04,600 Speaker 1: start with one milligram to one milligram and in older 940 00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:08,560 Speaker 1: um in like older adults like over the age of 941 00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:12,040 Speaker 1: sixty five, but two milligrams in adults. Well, I have 942 00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:16,759 Speaker 1: a someone doing all someone doing that high levels every day. 943 00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:20,640 Speaker 1: Is we've heard people talk about reset reset your body. 944 00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:23,680 Speaker 1: Um doesn't really help to like not smoke for three 945 00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:27,680 Speaker 1: or four days and and yeah, yeah, there's there's there's 946 00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:30,440 Speaker 1: wash up protocols which would take me the hour to 947 00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:34,200 Speaker 1: go into. But basically, the more you smoke more consistently, 948 00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:37,040 Speaker 1: it takes longer for your body to get rid of 949 00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:41,279 Speaker 1: the THC. So if if um, you know, if I 950 00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:43,759 Speaker 1: smoked th HC, can I barely ever smoke it? It 951 00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:45,440 Speaker 1: would just leave my body a lot faster than someone 952 00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:48,920 Speaker 1: who smokes it every day. UM, which of course I 953 00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:51,200 Speaker 1: always I get the occasional call over here with someone 954 00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:54,719 Speaker 1: who's flown to the United Ara of emrates or something 955 00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:58,960 Speaker 1: terrible and they smoked cannabis maybe at a party twenty 956 00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:01,080 Speaker 1: days ago, and they just got tested at the airport. 957 00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:03,640 Speaker 1: It's still in their bloodstream and they're arrested. So it's 958 00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:08,040 Speaker 1: so variable. They test, they test you at the airport. 959 00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:12,960 Speaker 1: If you get taken aside, you can be tested in 960 00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:15,000 Speaker 1: a lot of and if you have it in your 961 00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:19,000 Speaker 1: systems going there, but a second you're arrested. I think 962 00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:23,000 Speaker 1: it's that's an Arab country, got in an air country, 963 00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:25,319 Speaker 1: so there's different laws over there. So of course when 964 00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:32,840 Speaker 1: little brother can't go anywhere ever, Yeah, I'm always counseling 965 00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:36,160 Speaker 1: them on their travel. And these are the equal things 966 00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:38,440 Speaker 1: we have to make our patients aware of. As you 967 00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:40,920 Speaker 1: pointed out, and as you mentioned the reset, And I'm 968 00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:43,640 Speaker 1: just wondering, Danny, when you've had any patients that have 969 00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:47,920 Speaker 1: researched did the research on the reset? Has there been 970 00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:51,520 Speaker 1: any type of protocols that they have, any type of 971 00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:56,800 Speaker 1: you know, jones and relapse feeling like, is there somethings 972 00:53:56,840 --> 00:54:00,879 Speaker 1: that have happened the withdrawals? Thank you, anything like that. Yeah, 973 00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:03,839 Speaker 1: there is a cannabis withdrawal syndrome. UM. It usually comes 974 00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:06,560 Speaker 1: from th HC and it's variable from person to person. 975 00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:10,760 Speaker 1: It usually doesn't last anywhere longer than fourteen days, usually 976 00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:13,640 Speaker 1: seven and light occasional users, but it can make people 977 00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:17,879 Speaker 1: feel irritable, have more trouble sleep being um. So yeah, 978 00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:20,120 Speaker 1: it's part of the discussion. When I when I give 979 00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:23,040 Speaker 1: some of my medical cannabis that that can happen, because 980 00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:25,040 Speaker 1: we have to remember just because it's natural. I mean, 981 00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:27,279 Speaker 1: belladonna is natural. There's lots of natural things that can 982 00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:30,239 Speaker 1: kill you. So um, I think it's important to be 983 00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:33,160 Speaker 1: really transparent, you know, with people that this. Of course, 984 00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:35,920 Speaker 1: there's going to be potential downsides, especially when you started 985 00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:39,160 Speaker 1: pushing the t XC higher. Well Mark, I hope that 986 00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:41,680 Speaker 1: was beneficial to hear about a friend of mine. Well doctor, 987 00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:44,120 Speaker 1: you know. I Before we get out of here, you know, 988 00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:45,719 Speaker 1: first of all, I want to thank you for being 989 00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:48,800 Speaker 1: on the show and sharing so much education and and 990 00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:51,320 Speaker 1: all the research you've done, and and and dealing with 991 00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:55,040 Speaker 1: your patients, and and congratulations on your book. And obviously 992 00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:58,439 Speaker 1: you're your newborn. We're excited to to to hear soon 993 00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:02,120 Speaker 1: to be Blue, you know, your your new baby Blue 994 00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:06,320 Speaker 1: and London. Um, is there anything else that you'd like 995 00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:08,799 Speaker 1: to you know, get out there to the audience before 996 00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:12,160 Speaker 1: we let you go here. Thank you cover most of it, 997 00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:14,520 Speaker 1: but just thank you so much for having me. Guys. 998 00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:17,920 Speaker 1: It was such a fun show. Absolutely. I hope you 999 00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:20,279 Speaker 1: spread the word out there in London because we're very 1000 00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:22,560 Speaker 1: well listened to in the UK, so we're looking for 1001 00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:27,280 Speaker 1: you to you know, branch us out even more. Well, actually, 1002 00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:29,800 Speaker 1: one of my friends have just launched a new project 1003 00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:32,680 Speaker 1: that I am advising on called can Cards, So I 1004 00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:34,840 Speaker 1: actually told her reach out to you. So she's basically 1005 00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:37,560 Speaker 1: working with the Police Commissioner, with one of our MP's 1006 00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:40,399 Speaker 1: over here with a few of USK doctors to help 1007 00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:44,920 Speaker 1: patients who have to criminalize themselves basically to access cannabis 1008 00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:49,120 Speaker 1: illegally for a medical purpose, to not be arrested. So yeah, 1009 00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:52,239 Speaker 1: I've told her we're going to spread the word. Fantastic. 1010 00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:54,600 Speaker 1: You have a great rest of the day out there. Well, 1011 00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:57,640 Speaker 1: thank you for joining our night or night but you guys, well, 1012 00:55:57,680 --> 00:55:59,600 Speaker 1: thank you for joining us as Cannabis Talk one on one. 1013 00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:02,520 Speaker 1: Remember this. If no one else loves you, we do. 1014 00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:05,640 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to another podcast of Cannabis Talk one 1015 00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:08,560 Speaker 1: oh one, the world's number one source for everything cannabis, 1016 00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:12,280 Speaker 1: featuring Dr Danny Gordon, author of the CBD Bible,