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Speaker 1: Sports Radio. What up? Good morning to you Dan Patrick Show,

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Speaker 1: which he sold off for one hundred bajillion dollars. So, Doug,

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Speaker 1: if I had sold it for that much, I would

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Speaker 1: not be hosting a radio show this morning. I'd be

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Speaker 1: on a yacht with a bond villain somewhere in Italy.

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Speaker 1: Did you say a Bondville. Yeah, bond villain, Oh, bond villain. Yeah, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I like that. I want to hang out with driving

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Speaker 1: I think we my parents had one of those. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: way back. Yes, I travel across country nineteen eighty one.

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Speaker 1: We played the license plate game. Two dogs, three kids

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Speaker 1: would play the we would play the um the license plate.

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Speaker 1: Now you can't. We don't move the car until the

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Speaker 1: kids are in seat belts because we're you know, freaking

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Speaker 1: I mean that's right what travel was like before there

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Speaker 1: gotten to devices or you like, just give him a

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Speaker 1: device and tell them and then you won't even hear him.

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Speaker 1: Then they become zombies back there. Yeah that's not good. Um.

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Speaker 1: So anyway, he's Jason mcadawa. I'm Doug gotlie. The big

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Speaker 1: news in basketball is all and bead Signs is going

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Speaker 1: to sign a four year, one hundred ninety six million

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Speaker 1: dollars Mac's extension, and in football, the biggest news we

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Speaker 1: can come up with his Tim Tebow got cut. We

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Speaker 1: were talking about Tebow and I and I want to

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Speaker 1: get to fans in a second, because it is kind

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Speaker 1: of related. I would also say that that one of

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Speaker 1: the reasons that people are down on Tebow is because

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Speaker 1: of what we've seen from some of these A good

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Speaker 1: they purport themselves to being. The too good to be

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Speaker 1: I think I think he catches some of that. It's like,

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Speaker 1: there's no way that he's a nice guy. There's no

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Speaker 1: way that he like. We just we think of it

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Speaker 1: as fake because because there have been others that have

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Speaker 1: it's the Tebow fans were so fervent in their belief,

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Speaker 1: in their following of him. It's you know, it's like

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Speaker 1: any of these fan bases, like you don't dislike the player,

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Speaker 1: it's like the Red It's like Red Sox fans they

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Speaker 1: hadn't won forever, then they finally win a World Series

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Speaker 1: an incredible comeback fashion, and they then they just become

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Speaker 1: the most obnoxious, arrogant fan base every Kentucky Wildcats, Doug

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Speaker 1: have the worst. I know that nobody cares about college

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Speaker 1: basketball other than you and I, but I would like

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Speaker 1: for Tebow, I wonder about this. Doug. So a lot

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Speaker 1: of people and NFL teams agreed he's not first round

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Speaker 1: material quarterback. Accuracy not totally his thing. Yea, is Josh

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Speaker 1: McDaniels drafting him in the first round? Like? Is that

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Speaker 1: part of the hate? A lot of people thought Tim

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Speaker 1: Tebow's not really a starting quarterback, but Josh McDaniel saw

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Speaker 1: something booted Jake Cutler so he could draft Tim Tebow

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Speaker 1: he stinks at quarterback? Why is he a first round pick?

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Speaker 1: as a coordinator in New England. Yes, Tom Brady is great,

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Speaker 1: but working with he's been even better working with Josh

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Speaker 1: and and and being a head coach in usually very

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Speaker 1: very seldom are you getting a chance to do what

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Speaker 1: you actually do best. It's a it's a very different

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Speaker 1: McDaniels was doing in Denver with a more limited quarterback.

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Speaker 1: So he picked the wrong guy. Tim Tebow just isn't

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Speaker 1: good enough as a thrower. He just hasn't been. And honestly,

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Speaker 1: like he's one of those guys that when you're trying

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Speaker 1: Tim Tebow ran a four six. He was a terrible

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Speaker 1: He had bad feet in the pocket, right, He just

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Speaker 1: on target. He has a better arm as well. But

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Speaker 1: the point is, I would actually tell you that Tim

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Speaker 1: understanding that this is a way you can play with

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Speaker 1: very competitive in the NFL. Right, so sometimes guys understand

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Speaker 1: where leagues are going. They just picked the wrong quarterback.

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Speaker 1: over well, but I'm saying it anyway. How much of

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Speaker 1: this is jealousy, Doug? Yeah, Tim Tebow is a handsome individual, right,

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Speaker 1: He's very religious, He's obviously in shape. He runs with

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Speaker 1: of every newspaper. Okay, it becomes a meme on the internet.

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Speaker 1: Like he's married to Miss Universe. Literally, she won Miss Universe.

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Speaker 1: He's won everything there, and then he made it to

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Speaker 1: He came back to the NFL for another shot, and

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Speaker 1: now he's got the rest of his life ahead of him.

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Speaker 1: He's a millionaire more ultiple times over. Like everything he

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Speaker 1: that he didn't make major league baseball. He's still played

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Speaker 1: living the dream like we everybody says, Oh, I'm living

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Speaker 1: the dream, baby, it's awesome. Like stop for a second

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Speaker 1: and think Tim Tebow is totally kicking assid life. Okay.

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Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of people out there who

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Speaker 1: just have a crappy station in life and just want

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Speaker 1: to hate on a guy because he's got everything and nothing,

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Speaker 1: by the way, was handed to Tim Tebow. Okay, go

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Speaker 1: look up his parents that he wasn't born on third base,

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Speaker 1: none of that stuff. With Tebow, everything he's gotten, he's

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Speaker 1: worked his butt off for. That is really what America

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Speaker 1: the dream and I'm gonna sit here and defend the guy. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if he's living the dream currently. Like

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Speaker 1: the other part too, it is this is the third time,

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Speaker 1: I believe, maybe the fourth time he's been released, right,

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Speaker 1: Eagles released him, right, right. But you know, here's the

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Speaker 1: other part to it. I'm imagine yourself and you are.

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Speaker 1: There's a statue of you at the University of Florida.

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Speaker 1: You won two national championships, one as a starter for

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Speaker 1: your head coach and earlier today, you know, they call

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Speaker 1: him in Tim, we love you, just not gonna work

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Speaker 1: a I think it's one of the things that you

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Speaker 1: It's not like a prize fighter. Like prize fighters, the

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Speaker 1: Oscar de la Joya is going to fight again, right

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Speaker 1: like they just I saw that. What the hell is

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Speaker 1: t worth tons of middle hundreds of billions of dollars.

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Speaker 1: You know, Sez, that's crazy. But they all do it, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean Muhammad Ali and he fought well past his prime.

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Speaker 1: And I'm with you, like, if you have a if

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Speaker 1: he was like the first ever sports reality star, right

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Speaker 1: his high school football team had there's a reality show

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Speaker 1: somebody I end up uh tweeting tweeting us. But but

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Speaker 1: and here's how big he would like when he was

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Speaker 1: coming out as a recruit, he was either going to

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Speaker 1: go to Alabama or to Florida, right, and Alabama Mike

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Speaker 1: Shula was the coach. If he goes to Alabama, the

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Speaker 1: Nick Saban thing never happens. It doesn't happen, just doesn't

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Speaker 1: because you know, if he goes there, Shula still the coach.

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Speaker 1: They went. I don't know if they win national championships,

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Speaker 1: but to put every how we look at things is

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Speaker 1: completely different. But I just I have empathy for a

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Speaker 1: baseball's over. Now we got to figure out the rest

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Speaker 1: of our lives. And you're right, he did win, like

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Speaker 1: said this all the time, but like, are we don't

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Speaker 1: have a healthy enough respect for how good. They are

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Speaker 1: part that is guys. Oh my god. Now let me

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Speaker 1: ask what hold on? Doug? You recently, I don't know

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Speaker 1: how much you talk about it, but you posted about

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Speaker 1: it online. So you at surgery recently? Right for the ACO. Okay,

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Speaker 1: you played a high level of college basketball. You played

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Speaker 1: at highest levels of AU. I think you played internationally.

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna go through your resume, but I am curious.

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Speaker 1: Will you be playing any more pickup basketball coming off

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Speaker 1: the ACL injury? Yes? Okay, that's what I like to hear.

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Speaker 1: But we understood, you understand there's like fifteen twenty guys

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Speaker 1: that can really do this. I can really do this.

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Speaker 1: But most of them, even the ones that can't read

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Speaker 1: a defense, even the ones that that they can't go

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Speaker 1: through their progressions. Some guys can't lead a locker room.

427
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Speaker 1: There's things that, but they can almost all throw and

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Speaker 1: throw accurately enough. There's different levels of It's he was

429
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Speaker 1: the worst thrower in the NFL last year. It wasn't

430
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Speaker 1: really close. And this has been a problem for years.

431
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Speaker 1: And he was coming off of he was coming off

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Speaker 1: the Carolina Panthers letting him go and like, look, you

433
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Speaker 1: don't have to. It's not personal. It is business. And

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Speaker 1: if if it was personal, Ron Rivera would love to

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Speaker 1: have Cam Newton in Washington. He's gone through like four

436
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Speaker 1: different quarterbacks about that. No, no, I'm saying if he

437
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Speaker 1: thought he could still play, right, then he would be

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Speaker 1: on the Washington Reds Washington football team, right. If I

439
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Speaker 1: mean Brandon Bean. They they have Mitchell Trubisky as their backup. Okay,

440
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Speaker 1: making similar money to what Cam is making. Okay, Brandon

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Speaker 1: Bean and and that coaches that they came from Carolina,

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Speaker 1: You're not seeing people reach out the Carolina Panthers. He

443
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Speaker 1: was their signature player. They wanted Teddy Bridgewater. Then they

444
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Speaker 1: were done with Teddy Bridgewater. Then they brought in Sam Darnold,

445
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Speaker 1: who's wildly unproven. They've had plenty of opportunities to go, like,

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Speaker 1: you know, let's let's bring Cam new him back. It

447
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Speaker 1: has nothing to do with anything else. Like Cam has

448
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Speaker 1: handled himself incredibly well. They like him in New England.

449
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Speaker 1: Bill clearly likes him where he's giving him all this shot.

450
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Speaker 1: He's given him all this this runaway. He just can't

451
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Speaker 1: throw anymore. It's okay, I've let the slander go on

452
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Speaker 1: long enough, Doug. So former MVP Cam Newton cannot throw

453
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Speaker 1: a football. That's the claim. I know what you're saying.

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Speaker 1: He's not the guy he was when he was an

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Speaker 1: MVP helping lead Carolina to the Super Bowl. I get that.

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Speaker 1: How long ago that I think. I think I had

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Speaker 1: one kid maybe at that time, instead of two who

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Speaker 1: are now in like approaching middle school. So it was

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Speaker 1: a long time ago that being said, Doug, there is

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Speaker 1: something too loyalty. Hey guess what, Cam, Last year we

461
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Speaker 1: were in a pinch Tom Brady left us. We were

462
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Speaker 1: a little ego driven here in New England. We didn't

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Speaker 1: think he'd actually leave. We had nothing, We had Brian

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Speaker 1: Hoyer as our potential quarterback, Like we were desperate. Okay,

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Speaker 1: you came and were the guy back in the pocket

466
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Speaker 1: getting murdered behind a bad line with no skill position players. Hey,

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Speaker 1: thank you for your service. We're going to bring you back. Okay.

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Speaker 1: That's what they did to Cam and he really said

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Speaker 1: as much four days ago on Instagram. He mentioned loyalty

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Speaker 1: and how he deserves some loyalty. Now he did it

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Speaker 1: with his weirdo lingo and that he uses and whatever

472
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Speaker 1: font that is that I cannot find on my Instagram.

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Speaker 1: But Cam essentially was telling the Patriots, hey, man, I

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Speaker 1: see what's going on here. Y'all deserve me a chance.

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Speaker 1: And if you look at their offseason, Bill Belichick has

476
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Speaker 1: never ever spent as a head coach like he did

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Speaker 1: this offseason. They bring in Agalar, they bring in Bourne,

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Speaker 1: They bring in two tight ends. And I do wonder, Doug,

479
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Speaker 1: when you bring on John U Smith and Hunter Henry

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Speaker 1: two tight ends when you had none, Remember Gronk left

481
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Speaker 1: Brady and they didn't even bring in a tight end

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Speaker 1: that offseason. You bring in two is Belichick considering a

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Speaker 1: lot of two tight end sets, a lot of heavy,

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Speaker 1: a lot of running like he did last year. Because

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Speaker 1: if that's the case, Cam might still have a shot

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Speaker 1: and some value on the team. I don't think Bill

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Speaker 1: Belichick's really a two quarterback kind of guy, but I

488
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Speaker 1: do wonder if he wants to have versatility with Hey,

489
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Speaker 1: we can spread four wide and get Mac Jones under center,

490
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Speaker 1: and oh yeah, we can go with the heavy sets

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Speaker 1: and bring in camp. Do you think that's something Belichick

492
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Speaker 1: would consider? Because again Tom Brady left for Tampa and

493
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Speaker 1: won a Super Bowl. They're absolutely stacked this year. There

494
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Speaker 1: are actually Vegas odds and we'll do a lot of

495
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Speaker 1: Vegas on this show on whether or not the Bucks

496
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Speaker 1: can go undefeated. Bill Belichick lost the divorce. He wants

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Speaker 1: to come back strong with the dime piece on his arm.

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Speaker 1: I do wonder if he tries something whacky like two

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks in New England. Oh, I think he's going to

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Speaker 1: have two quarterbacks until he has one. I don't think

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Speaker 1: anything you're necessarily misreading, like last year because of COVID,

502
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Speaker 1: because they were in cap hell, there's nothing they could do.

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Speaker 1: It just wasn't you know. And Nikkila Harry's was a

504
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Speaker 1: bad draft pick, but that only that Adelman got old

505
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Speaker 1: and had the bone on bone knee, and there's just

506
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Speaker 1: nothing they could do. I don't think he lost the divorce.

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Speaker 1: I just don't they What if you don't decide in

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Speaker 1: the first year, considering the fact that they had a

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Speaker 1: quarterback who couldn't throw a football, they had all those

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Speaker 1: other things that you just stated working against him. They

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Speaker 1: won seven games last year in a division where you

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Speaker 1: had two double digit winning to they had. Dolphins won

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Speaker 1: ten and the Bills one thirteen, and the Patriots still

514
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Speaker 1: won seven games and probably could have won nine. Last

515
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Speaker 1: year might have been his best coaching job he's ever done,

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Speaker 1: considering the talent and all the other things that they

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Speaker 1: had going against them. So I don't think Bill Belichick

518
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Speaker 1: is reacting to Tom Brady. Tom Brady inherited a team

519
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Speaker 1: which had been bad for twenty years, but loaded up

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Speaker 1: with talent and then was because he's Tom Brady could

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Speaker 1: get Gronk to come play, got Antonio Brown to come play,

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Speaker 1: and after starting out seven and five, they played four

523
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Speaker 1: the worst teams in the league, and they end up

524
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Speaker 1: eleven and five and get little momentum. They survived Washington, right,

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Speaker 1: they survived Tampa, who had a lead and and I

526
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Speaker 1: think it was Jared Cook who have fumbled right when

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Speaker 1: they had had a lead late on the second half.

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Speaker 1: Um And then they went into Green Bay and Brady

529
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Speaker 1: was awesome in the first half, and they just kind

530
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Speaker 1: of held on through dear life in the second half,

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Speaker 1: and the defense came through and they dominated the Super

532
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Speaker 1: Bowl over depleted Kan City Chief team. Not that's what happened.

533
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Speaker 1: But but Bill Belichick, if you talk to these guys,

534
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 1: they don't care about the rest of the league. They

535
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 1: don't have they don't have the bol You cannot spend

536
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Speaker 1: almost two decades with a quarterback watch him walk out

537
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Speaker 1: the door win a Super Bowl with another team. It's

538
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Speaker 1: not caressible. There's no one, there's no there's no no

539
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Speaker 1: doubt in that. It doesn't suck because people all of

540
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:43,440
Speaker 1: a sudden, they'll they they they make history what they

541
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Speaker 1: wanted to be. They make history about about Brady. The

542
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,959
Speaker 1: two of them worked together incredibly well. Brady has become

543
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:55,919
Speaker 1: this magnificent, outspoken leader. Now. But like, look, if you

544
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Speaker 1: if you think Tampa's going undefeated, go ahead, put some

545
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Speaker 1: money on it. They also playing seventy gles on it. Yes, Okay,

546
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Speaker 1: those are that's the money that you're you're you're pissing

547
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Speaker 1: out the window. That's by the way, Belichick and Brady

548
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 1: together in New England nearly went undefeatedn't won a Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: They did, and then the next year, next year, he

550
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Speaker 1: got hurt. Yes, okay, so we can actually see prime

551
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Speaker 1: Brady with that team the following year. I mean, how

552
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Speaker 1: good could they have possibly been in a repeat year?

553
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Speaker 1: But remember Tampa, they've never seen this success. So as

554
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Speaker 1: hard as it is to see success the first time,

555
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,159
Speaker 1: imagine how hard it's going to be to see success.

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Speaker 1: So I totally disagree Cup. Wait and wait a minute.

557
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 1: Hold up, this is a team in a COVID year

558
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 1: where there was really no offseason. Brady went to a

559
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Speaker 1: new city, a new coach, a new system, a new everything,

560
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 1: and they were some you know, kinks that needed to

561
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 1: be worked out. I think they opened seven and five.

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Speaker 1: Then they had that that Sunday night loss. I think

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Speaker 1: it was to the Chiefs, the close one, and after

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Speaker 1: that they did not lose a game. I think they

565
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Speaker 1: went seven or not including the three and o playoff

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Speaker 1: run on the road getting to the Super Bowl, and

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Speaker 1: they were a different team. Dug unstoppable and they return

568
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Speaker 1: to everyone. I don't know how I mean, like this team,

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Speaker 1: What do we know about the end? What do we

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00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 1: know about the NFL? Well, let's start in the now.

571
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Speaker 1: What do we know about the NFL? What do we

572
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 1: know about it? We know that on a yearly basis,

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Speaker 1: half the teams that make the playoffs don't make it

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Speaker 1: the next year. Now, that doesn't mean that Tampa's not

575
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Speaker 1: gonna make the playoffs. They've expanned the playoffs or seventeen

576
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Speaker 1: games and they have an increase. They have a very

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Speaker 1: very good roster. Okay, but but the idea that this

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Speaker 1: the only team to make it look seemingly easy, to

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Speaker 1: make multiple super Bowls, to consistently be competitive at that

580
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 1: level is the Patriots. Now do you want to say

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Speaker 1: that Tom Brady is the connective tissue between the Patriots

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Speaker 1: in Tampa. Sure, he doesn't run the entire franchise, and

583
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Speaker 1: it as much as you can change some of the

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Speaker 1: culture and going after the next title and maybe they

585
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 1: come out in the better team. Maybe it was when

586
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 1: they were seven to five. It was the wake up

587
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 1: call they and maybe figured it out. I'm telling you

588
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 1: this a hard league. Guys, get hurt all the time.

589
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Speaker 1: They had one thing real quick, while you're on a

590
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 1: hard league. Um, you know, my guy, Warren Sharpe puts

591
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Speaker 1: together an incredible packet. They looked at the easiest versus

592
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Speaker 1: the toughest schedules in the league. Based on Vegas win totals,

593
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Speaker 1: the Bucks have the fifth easiest schedule in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: They basically face a cakewalk. And remember the Saints are

595
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Speaker 1: criminally overrated. This year. They lost Drew Brees, they lost

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Speaker 1: Michael Tis tam yeah, twice last year in the regular season. Listen,

597
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 1: they have They open with Dallas, Okay, which should be

598
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 1: a great game and we'll see on Dak's shoulder. But

599
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Speaker 1: it's fair to say that if there's a team that

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Speaker 1: has the talent, at least in the offensive side of

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Speaker 1: the football to put up some huge numbers, it's the

602
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Speaker 1: Dallas gab Boys. Were okay with that? Well, I would

603
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Speaker 1: say that they're favorite in that game. They're only an

604
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 1: underdog in one game. Do you want to get The

605
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 1: Bucks are underdogs against the Rams in the week? Correct,

606
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 1: So there. I think the Rams are better than the Cowboys.

607
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 1: I don't know about so. But the point is this,

608
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 1: when they have a new defense, defensive coordinator, we'll see,

609
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 1: but at a new quarterback. But but here's the thing.

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Speaker 1: The point is that I'm with you on on Warren

611
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Speaker 1: Sharp and what it looks like in the easier schedule

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Speaker 1: or whatever. Like we got no idea what somebody's gonna

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Speaker 1: look like, do I do? I agree with you on

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Speaker 1: on the Saints on paper, Yeah, you don't have Michael Thomas.

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Speaker 1: You don't know any quarterback is going to be um,

616
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 1: they were kind of capped out, they went all in

617
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Speaker 1: the past couple of years. They're probably not going to

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Speaker 1: be as good. That said, Okay, you go to the

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Speaker 1: middle of the season when they play them, and if

620
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Speaker 1: Jamis has won the job by then, James Jamis can

621
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Speaker 1: spin it and stretch the field. Also, also, the home

622
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Speaker 1: road is going to be completely different this year with

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Speaker 1: people not only in the stands, but they haven't been

624
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Speaker 1: in the stands in a year, and you're the defending champs.

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Speaker 1: It's like all of a sudden, road environments are more

626
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 1: difficult to win. And oh yeah, by the way, if

627
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Speaker 1: you start out the year one and two like you see,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't like I gotta understand that you're better than

629
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Speaker 1: new England and Miami and Philadelphia. Okay, I understand all

630
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 1: those things. But the idea is that that when you

631
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Speaker 1: have a team that comes off of Super Bowl, some

632
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 1: guys took less money to stay, you start out one

633
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Speaker 1: and two and people start pointing fingers. That's that's the

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Speaker 1: way I love. I'm not crying drama, you are. I'm

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Speaker 1: talking about the reality of sports. Is we all look

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Speaker 1: at these these we all do the mic and the

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Speaker 1: mad though. That's a win, it's a loss. It's a

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Speaker 1: dog dog, that's a that's a wind, that's a wind. Right,

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Speaker 1: we all do we all do this stupid crap, but

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Speaker 1: we can't tell well, those guys don't know this because

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Speaker 1: it's not clue because you're dealing with you're dealing with

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Speaker 1: data as of now, right, and I look at is

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Speaker 1: looking at those guys a little bit more than two.

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Speaker 1: Uh you know Schucks in New York. Okay, the reality

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00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: their wind tunnels from last year and see if they

646
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Speaker 1: killed it last year. Look at the Tampa Bay Bucks

647
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 1: and how they're favored in every single game except one,

648
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Speaker 1: and look how they did last year's favorites. They were

649
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 1: pretty darn good. They struggled in the games, where again

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00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 1: they were playing teams better than them. Frankly, and the

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00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 1: newness of the Tampa is now worn off. I'm telling you,

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Speaker 1: I know it sounds silly to say, oh, they could

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Speaker 1: go undefeated. No team in the modern era. Doug has

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Speaker 1: returned every starter on offensive defense. It has not happened

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Speaker 1: from a Super Bowl champ. Sure, And it's not like

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Speaker 1: there are a bunch of fossils like the Lakers growing

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00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 1: and grab and Russell Westbrook. These guys are in their prime,

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Speaker 1: Mike Evans, Chris Godwin. I mean they go out and

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Speaker 1: add the running back Geo Bernard right, it's like, oh, geobrat,

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Speaker 1: what is either third running back? Well, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: It could be James White, who was doing a Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl MVP for Tom Brady. Like there is Seriously, the

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Speaker 1: offensive line is unbelievable. I mean the only thing if

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Speaker 1: you want to quibble, do they have depth in the secondary?

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Speaker 1: Like behind their top three corners, who, by the way,

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Speaker 1: we're outstanding in the Super Bowl thanks to an incredible

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Speaker 1: pass rush. Like Doug, I'm not even a Tom Brady fan.

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Speaker 1: I respect it. Like in the eight I grew up,

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Speaker 1: I was a Magic Johnson guy. I did not like

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Speaker 1: Larry Burden the Celtics. I was born in New York.

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Speaker 1: I didn't like anything Boston. I did not like Tom Brady.

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Speaker 1: Now I've interviewed him twice. Super nice guy. I respect

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Speaker 1: what he's done. He's the greatest. And he's got a

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Speaker 1: stack team. And I'm just telling you, Doug, when they

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Speaker 1: are eight no and just motoring, you're, oh, well, there's

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Speaker 1: a potential roadbump up ahead. This team is going to

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Speaker 1: annihilate some folks, annihilate They are so stacked, Doug. And

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Speaker 1: the schedule is a cakewalk, and you schedule. How good

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Speaker 1: was Tom Brady last year? I would say he was.

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Speaker 1: He was like a top fifteen quarterback in the first

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Speaker 1: part of the season, maybe for the first three fifths

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Speaker 1: of the season, and once that tweak twelve got by

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Speaker 1: and they had the bye week, they really started to

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Speaker 1: take over. Tom Brady was outstanding. He was definitely a

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Speaker 1: top ten quarterback in the final eight weeks of the season. Huh, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady was a top ten quarterback the final eight

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Speaker 1: weeks of the season season and regular season. Wait, what

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Speaker 1: about he had three turnovers against Green Bay in the

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Speaker 1: NFC Championship. He didn't play well. He didn't play well

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Speaker 1: against Washington. Uh. He wasn't particularly good against New Orleans Saints, either,

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Speaker 1: So he was he did. He played well against against

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Speaker 1: the Kansas City Chiefs, who had no shot because their

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Speaker 1: offensive line was in tatters. But so of the four

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Speaker 1: games they played in the playoffs, he played really well

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Speaker 1: in the first half against Green Bay, and he played

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Speaker 1: well in the Super Bowl. Um. But I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: like kind of along for the ride, right when they

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Speaker 1: when they won the last four games, like the idea

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Speaker 1: time out, time out, Doug tom Brady was along for

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Speaker 1: the ride. Yeah, yeah, I would, I would. Can we

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Speaker 1: get a Bucks player from my room? Zero chance. He

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Speaker 1: was not the leader in that locker room. No, No,

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Speaker 1: he's the only guys want anything. But this is what

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Speaker 1: this is what you do though for the ride, Yes,

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Speaker 1: he was a he's at Yes, Tom, what can we

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Speaker 1: do for you in the locker room? How? What can I?

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Speaker 1: How can I? Well, no question, no question. There's a

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Speaker 1: leadership in tans that he has that is unspoken. And

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Speaker 1: what they did in the first half, I thought energized

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Speaker 1: that energize the defense for the second half, right, But

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Speaker 1: there is at some point at some point, there's a

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Speaker 1: reason guy's retire. You know what that reason is because

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00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 1: you get old and you can't make the same throws.

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Speaker 1: This is the same guy who remember forgot what down

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Speaker 1: it was? The same guy. It's the same guy. It's

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00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 1: the same guy. That's what happens when you get older.

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00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 1: You're a tick slower, you miss on throws. The attrition

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Speaker 1: of an additional game in the season does kind of

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00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 1: get to you. Okay, they had, they had a dream

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Speaker 1: end to a season which was up very much up

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Speaker 1: and down right, But trying to repeat that dream is

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Speaker 1: a lot more difficult in practice than it is going

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Speaker 1: it's a win. It to win, it's a win. It's

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Speaker 1: a win. We talk about practice. So the point, the

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Speaker 1: point is this, like what you're taking a snapshot of

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Speaker 1: the best of Tom Brady and saying, Okay, you put

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Speaker 1: the best of Tom Brady with all these guys that

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Speaker 1: are coming back, and they're gonna win in every game.

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Speaker 1: And the point is that he's not really a top

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Speaker 1: ten quarterback anymore in terms of his tangibles. His intangibles

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Speaker 1: are off the charts, off the charts. Nobody can walk

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Speaker 1: in with, you know, all with all those super Bowl rings,

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Speaker 1: gay and command respect, and he's an indefatigable worker. But

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Speaker 1: let's at at some point they all get old. They

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Speaker 1: just do. Jason Kidd couldn't make a layup in the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: Couldn't make a layup. They just get old. The throws

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Speaker 1: they used to be able to make, they couldn't make.

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Speaker 1: Brett Farve got a old Peyton Manning got old Hay

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Speaker 1: Manning when they won the Super Bowl his last year

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Speaker 1: or was it, uh nine touchdowns seventeen interceptions, I mean,

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Speaker 1: go back and watch the Super Bowl is embarrassing. Couldn't

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Speaker 1: throw football Pro football focused last year. Number one quarterback

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Speaker 1: according to the stats, Aaron Rodgers, number two, Tom Brady. Okay,

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00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 1: he wasn't the number two quarterback. He wasn't better. I

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00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 1: mean Russell Wilson threw too many picks at the end

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Speaker 1: of the year, but he wasn't better than Russell Wilson

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Speaker 1: or pat Russell Wilson at six four It's great. I'm

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Speaker 1: just I'm telling you can go Pro football focus all

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Speaker 1: you want. The reality is no one. I mean, look,

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen had a much better year than he had

751
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Speaker 1: than Tom Brady had last year. Not really close so

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00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: I mean like, look, I'm a guy who watches the

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00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:15,399
Speaker 1: Chargers practice down the street from me. Hey, there's no better.

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Speaker 1: If I told you the talent that they have on

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Speaker 1: that roster, you'd like, dude, they should mop up team

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Speaker 1: love It. Problem is they're never healthy height and so

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Speaker 1: you're you're taking a snapshot of now and going if

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Speaker 1: the best of all scenarios, everybody is healthy and all

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Speaker 1: of these teams live down to their reputation the Tampa

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Speaker 1: But that's not the way this foot That's what makes

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00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: football special is on a weekly basis, truly truly, anything

762
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 1: can happen, and we don't usually get the results that

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Speaker 1: we expect, especially when we expect them to be kind

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Speaker 1: of championship level results. Thanks for listening to The Dan

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Speaker 1: Patrick Show podcast. Be sure to catch us live every

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Speaker 1: football focus. So M, did you did you see this? Uh?

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Speaker 1: Did you see this? Um? In regards to sports betting,

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00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 1: which I know you are huge on, right that licenses

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00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,879
Speaker 1: to offer online betting, sports betting in New York are

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Speaker 1: attracting big names and creating partnerships between the largest bookmakers

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Speaker 1: in the US. Jay Z, this is a real story, okay.

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Speaker 1: Jay Z and the seventy six ers owner Michael Rubin

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Speaker 1: are part of a group applying for an online sports

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Speaker 1: betting license in New York and plan to form Fanatics

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Speaker 1: sports book. According to documents released by the New York

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Speaker 1: Sports Gaming Association, the Fanatics application is one of the

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Speaker 1: six being reviewed. Right, like all of these was it

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Speaker 1: fan duel DraftKings at MGM? You know Bally's um bet

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Speaker 1: rivers all that, you know, it's it's kind of all

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Speaker 1: everyone's going after kind of the same prize, which is

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Speaker 1: betting in the big states, right, New York, California, Texas, etc.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you saw the viral video this weekend or

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Speaker 1: the fight in La between ramon ram crime. You saw

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Speaker 1: that that video was insane. Oh my gosh, there's a lot,

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00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 1: there's a there's a lot too. I mean it's that's

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Speaker 1: ton to unpack there. But you know, just briefly, Doug,

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Speaker 1: if you have the high ground and it's one on four,

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Speaker 1: are you still attacking the guys? He had to be

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Speaker 1: very lubricated with alcohol, do you think, well? I mean, like, look,

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Speaker 1: I think he was wearing Aaron Donald jersey. And here's

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Speaker 1: a problem, like, hey, dude, you're not Aaron Donald. You're

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Speaker 1: not You're not Aaron Donald plays down there, you're up here.

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Speaker 1: But here, here's the thing. We've seen enough bad behavior

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Speaker 1: from fans. And it happened before obviously the mouth of

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Speaker 1: the Palace thing, and there were there were some similarities

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00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 1: there with the lady who threw the pepsi cup is

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Speaker 1: the guy who through the blue cup from like feet

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00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 1: away down soaked? I mean, did the pruder work the

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Speaker 1: one lady instigated it and then basically was out of there,

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00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: right yeah, I mean she was standing there. Yeah. But

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00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 1: the bigger point though, is like if you think fan

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Speaker 1: behaviors now when you just have alcohol and dudes out,

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00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 1: and I add in sports gambling to it, which has

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00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 1: always been there, but it's kind of been a little

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Speaker 1: below the surface, right, Like I'll never forget when I

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00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:30,839
Speaker 1: was when I was a freshman, I played Notre Dame.

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Speaker 1: We played three games in the garden, and every garden

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Speaker 1: game in the garden is the same, like they stay

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Speaker 1: around for I like, I was like, why are they

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Speaker 1: were blowing out Saint John's Why are they still here?

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00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:42,799
Speaker 1: Like the betting line, dude, I was like, I had

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Speaker 1: no idea. I just had no idea. And you have

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Speaker 1: people like I can't believe you know, I think Brian

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Speaker 1: Mahoney was the coach. He Mahoney minus sick, So you

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Speaker 1: kid me. You guys are a joke, right, Like the

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Speaker 1: the the energy from people who have money on a

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Speaker 1: game when it and when it goes a different way now,

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Speaker 1: it'll keep people in the stands for longer to wait

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00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,240
Speaker 1: for the games, and I think it'll make people watch

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Speaker 1: games more. I'm not, I'm maybe. I don't know, because

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Speaker 1: truth be told, if you're betting on games before, you're

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Speaker 1: betting on games now, it's not like they're reaching new people.

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Speaker 1: It's just they're creating legal ways to create tax dollars. Right.

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Speaker 1: I wonder though, Douglick. I do gamble early and often

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Speaker 1: gamble responsibly. Everyone but I am I get more like

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Speaker 1: when I win it's like amazing. You know, you celebrate,

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Speaker 1: but you never want to get too high or too

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Speaker 1: low on wins or losses. I usually if I lose

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Speaker 1: a big bet and it happens, it happens to even

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Speaker 1: the great ones like myself and my family is in

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Speaker 1: the vicinity. I'm basically like, okay, I'm gonna need some

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Speaker 1: time here. Guys, can you you know, get away? And

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Speaker 1: I will, you know, isolate myself. I don't get like

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Speaker 1: angry and want to break stuff and fight people. You know,

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Speaker 1: I understand, but that's not your personality, right, Like I

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00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 1: will bet when you drink. When you drink, you're probably

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Speaker 1: the happiest guy on earth, right, I'm always happy. I'm

844
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 1: an understand you don't understand. But when you when you

845
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 1: have a couple of drinks and you go on one

846
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 1: of your numerous vacations that you post on, right are

847
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 1: you are? You're happy? Smiling happy? I'm a happy guy. Yeah,

848
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 1: there are, Okay, okay, yea. So imagine if we all

849
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 1: know guys that underneath the surface, there's a lot of

850
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 1: inner anger there, right, and then you factor in that

851
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 1: they're in a in a bowl of ten thousand people

852
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 1: at a basketball arena and they just lost, you know,

853
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 1: a thousand bucks that they they knew they were gonna win.

854
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 1: And whether it's the ref or a coach or a player,

855
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 1: and then you got guys around you and they don't

856
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 1: give you the Hey man, I need a minute that

857
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 1: no one gives you a minute. I'm just telling you, Like,

858
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 1: if you think fan behaviors now bad, now legalized sports,

859
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 1: sports betting, and and and and wait and it will be.

860
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:53,319
Speaker 1: It's something you have to plan for. Sam Munston joins

861
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 1: US lead nfl AS for Pro Football Focus. You can

862
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 1: follow them on Twitter at PFF Underscore Sam with Jason McIntyre.

863
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:01,840
Speaker 1: I'm got leave mister Dan Patrick's show here on Fox

864
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 1: Sports Radio. Sam, Let's let's start with the Patriots discussion

865
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:08,799
Speaker 1: when we started that today, which is, hey, what do

866
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 1: they do here? It does feel like mac Jones is

867
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:16,879
Speaker 1: closing in on becoming the starter. And as much as

868
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:20,799
Speaker 1: everybody likes how Cam Newton is handling himself in front

869
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 1: of the microphone like, look, he's only making three and

870
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 1: a half million, that's backup quarterback money, but what do

871
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 1: the numbers say, Like, how can we statistically believe that

872
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 1: Cam Newton can actually throw a football and be a

873
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 1: good enough quarterback this year. Yeah, I think that preseason

874
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 1: debut was really encouraging for Mac Jones. He graded well

875
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 1: a PFF, but he also when you look at how

876
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 1: they played that game for him, it was almost like

877
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 1: an audition. They sort of sat him up with various

878
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:49,839
Speaker 1: situations to see how he would fare, and they had

879
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 1: him run a drive with the hurry up offense coming

880
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 1: out of halftime and all those kinds of things, and

881
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:59,800
Speaker 1: Jones calling card as a prospect was just incredibly good

882
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 1: mental processing. Just how quickly he's able to execute the

883
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 1: offense and work through his reads and find the right

884
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 1: guy and accurately deliver the past. And that's something that

885
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 1: a lot of rookies struggle with when you adjust to

886
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 1: the NFL. It's it's a more expansive offense generally in

887
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 1: the NFL than it is in college. There's more to learn,

888
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 1: it's a lot to learn in a short period of time,

889
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 1: and you have to adjust to the speed of the

890
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:26,800
Speaker 1: game as well. So usually that's the area they struggle

891
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 1: with and they're kind of behind the eight ball. But

892
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 1: Jones still look good and still look quick, and still

893
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 1: look able to do all of that and had a

894
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 1: good command of the offense. So I still think, you know,

895
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 1: Cam Newton is the starter right now and probably will

896
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 1: be Week one, But as you said, Jones is closing,

897
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 1: and that game I think did a lot for the

898
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 1: Patriots to sort of assure them that, hey, this is

899
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 1: on the horizon, sooner rather than later if we need

900
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:53,840
Speaker 1: to make that switch. Hey Sam, good to talk to

901
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:57,319
Speaker 1: you again. I want to ask two gambling questions. Number One,

902
00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:59,839
Speaker 1: on the New Orleans Saints, I don't see any way

903
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 1: possible that this is a nine win team. I don't

904
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:05,320
Speaker 1: like anything about this roster outside the offensive line. A

905
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 1: can you tell me why the heck anybody would bet

906
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:10,320
Speaker 1: over on the Saints to win nine or more games?

907
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 1: And I just need you to talk nicely about my

908
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 1: my guy, Sam Zach Wilson, the Mormon Mahomes. Yeah, over

909
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:22,320
Speaker 1: is tough for the Saints. I do think the roster

910
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 1: has a lot of goods still there. They go on

911
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 1: this roster overhaul and purge every offseason because of the

912
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 1: way they treat the cap, but they always end up

913
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 1: with a lot of talent still there. And when you

914
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 1: look at you know, the defense still has a lot

915
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 1: of good players. There's definitely some question marks. You know,

916
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 1: cornerback number two opposite marshall On Lattimore is very much

917
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 1: still in flux, and obviously wide receiver absent Michael Thomas

918
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 1: is a major question mark. But they still have one

919
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:51,399
Speaker 1: of the best offensive lines in the NFL. You've got

920
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 1: guys like Alvin Kamara who can still make plays. Their

921
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 1: defensive front is really good, so I think there's a

922
00:46:57,520 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 1: lot of talent still there. But they don't have a

923
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 1: quarter bank and they don't have any receivers for him

924
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 1: Betrow too, So over nine is a pretty tough sell,

925
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 1: even with a great coach and some pretty good parts

926
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 1: of that roster. I thought Zack Wilson had one of

927
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 1: the better debuts as well. He didn't ask him to

928
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:17,359
Speaker 1: do that much and he didn't play for that long,

929
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 1: so we didn't get a huge, extended sort of tryout,

930
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 1: but he made it look effortless, like that armed talent

931
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 1: that we saw in college was still there. He was

932
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 1: able to flick passes with just no concern. There was

933
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:31,799
Speaker 1: no delay, He just dropped back in rhythm, fired the

934
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 1: ball where it needs to go, converted a couple of

935
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:38,319
Speaker 1: third downs, and looked really good doing it? Whoa Sam

936
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:40,800
Speaker 1: months and he's the level of excitement here from Jason's

937
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 1: a little UN's been a while, dog, No, it hasn't

938
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 1: been three years since I made the playoffs. Well, it's

939
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 1: been three years since you had another young quarterback and

940
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:51,359
Speaker 1: people were excited about then. It was like three years

941
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 1: before that where you're excited about where you were. And yeah, Sam,

942
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 1: I was at Rams camp last last week or two

943
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 1: weeks ago. I spent some time around the coaching staff

944
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 1: and their level of excitement, even even losing their starting

945
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 1: running back, their level of excitement is tangible with having

946
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 1: a guy who can make all the throws that offense requires. Right,

947
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:21,840
Speaker 1: But look, they did lose their defensive coordinator and Brandon

948
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 1: Staley who was now a head coach and did do

949
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 1: an outstanding job, and they have reworked the offensive line.

950
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 1: But like right now, Darryl Henderson's going to be their

951
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 1: running back and we haven't seen Matt Stafford compete at

952
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 1: the highest level of the NFL. Right, It's it's a

953
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 1: different game when you're you know, when everything is magnified

954
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:43,360
Speaker 1: because you're playing is a favorite, not as an underdog.

955
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on what's reasonable to expect from

956
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:50,880
Speaker 1: the Rams this year. Yeah, the expectations are sky high,

957
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 1: and they feel maybe a little bit higher than they

958
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 1: should be. Stafford's definitely an upgrade over Jared Goff, but

959
00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 1: I think there's a very real question about how big

960
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 1: an upgrade it actually is. I mean, Stafford has never

961
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 1: had a PFF grade above eighty two for a full season,

962
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:11,799
Speaker 1: I think, and that's a good bit below like the

963
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 1: top quarterbacks in the NFL last season, those guys Mahomes,

964
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, even Josh Allen. Those guys are

965
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 1: above ninety Russell Wilson, and Stafford has never hit that level.

966
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:25,880
Speaker 1: And Okay, you can sort of mitigate some of it

967
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:28,360
Speaker 1: because he was on the Lions and you know, because

968
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 1: he never had an offensive genius of the head coach

969
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 1: connected to him, But that only explains so much. I

970
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 1: think ultimately, like Stafford has always been more potential and

971
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 1: can do and the sort of threat that he can

972
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 1: target any area of the field at any given time

973
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 1: than he has been the full realization of everything he

974
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:52,800
Speaker 1: does on every single play. And I think really the

975
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 1: Rams are making this bet that, look, we have a

976
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 1: good thing going here. All we need is a quarterback

977
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 1: that can do a little it more when things don't

978
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:04,439
Speaker 1: go well, Like my Chum McVay is sort of looking

979
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:06,919
Speaker 1: at this and saying, my system will get you most

980
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:09,839
Speaker 1: of the way there. And before now I had this

981
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 1: quarterback that was paint by numbers and could fill in

982
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:15,319
Speaker 1: the right blocks with the right color. But now I

983
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 1: need a guy that can create the picture when everything

984
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 1: breaks down and when a defense actually had some answers,

985
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 1: and there's some merit to that, Like, there's definitely value

986
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 1: in that quality from Matthew Stafford, But I don't think

987
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 1: we know yet, like how big a difference that's going

988
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 1: to make, particularly as you said, because the defense is

989
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 1: probably going to be worse than it was a year ago.

990
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 1: So Stafford doesn't just need to be better than Jared Goff,

991
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 1: but he needs to overcome the regression that we're probably

992
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:45,280
Speaker 1: going to see from the defense as well. Sam. Fact

993
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:49,360
Speaker 1: or fiction always a fun game to play. The Cleveland

994
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 1: Browns are Super Bowl contenders. Fact. If we didn't know

995
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:56,320
Speaker 1: that they were the Cleveland Browns, we would be putting

996
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 1: them up there with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, with the

997
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 1: Kansas City Chiefs. But there's this lingering hole over effect

998
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 1: from like twenty years of misery and sadness, and that

999
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:08,400
Speaker 1: giant jersey that's got like a hundred names attached to it.

1000
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:11,359
Speaker 1: If you didn't know the Browns were the Browns, we

1001
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 1: would think this is arguably the best roster in the NFL,

1002
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 1: top to bottom. Yeah, but they have what eight new

1003
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 1: starters on defense? I mean there's gonna be a still

1004
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 1: some struggles on that for that unit, right, Yeah. I

1005
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 1: think that will take some time, and that might not

1006
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 1: be as great as it looks on paper. But it's defense, right,

1007
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:32,879
Speaker 1: and that's never been less important in today's NFL. If

1008
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 1: the offense is firing, you don't need a defense to

1009
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 1: be amazing. You just needed not to get torched in

1010
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 1: the postseed Yeah, okay, okay, I mean you also need

1011
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 1: to be able to protect your quarterback as well, Like

1012
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 1: the offensive line is incredibly important, which does link back

1013
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:51,360
Speaker 1: to the defense, and you're not winning without defense. Let's

1014
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 1: let's get to the Dallas Cowboys. How much concerns should

1015
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:58,399
Speaker 1: we have o A Dack and his shoulder um right now?

1016
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:00,920
Speaker 1: Not a huge amount. We can only kind of go

1017
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 1: on here to be hugely concerned. I guess. The longer

1018
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 1: and linger is, the more concerned you get, because we

1019
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 1: saw last season exactly what happens when Dak Prescott isn't

1020
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:15,400
Speaker 1: out there. I mean, there's still a reasonable debate as

1021
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:19,800
Speaker 1: to exactly how good Dank Prescott is. He's Alice offense.

1022
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 1: If he isn't there, that system is not functioning. They're

1023
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 1: not able to overcome the question marks on defense, and

1024
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:30,839
Speaker 1: Dallash isn't winning anything. So they need Dank Prescott out

1025
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:32,920
Speaker 1: there and one hundred percent healthy for as much of

1026
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:35,840
Speaker 1: the season as humanly possible. Sam, if I were to

1027
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:38,839
Speaker 1: give you fifty dollars and say, hey, Sam, you could

1028
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:41,479
Speaker 1: do whatever you want with this, But if you bet

1029
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 1: it on the Buccaneers to go undefeated, I'll double your

1030
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 1: money and you can make it one hundred. Do you

1031
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:47,799
Speaker 1: think they have that would be a good bet? Would

1032
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 1: you take that? Would you spend the fifty dollars that way?

1033
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 1: Or you think there's just give me a break, Jason,

1034
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 1: Come on, even though they're favored in all but one game,

1035
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:58,400
Speaker 1: this is lunacy. It's just so hard to go undefeated

1036
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:00,800
Speaker 1: in the NFL that it's probably not a smart bet.

1037
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:04,959
Speaker 1: Like the pattern of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers says they're

1038
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:06,799
Speaker 1: going to be even better this year than they were

1039
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:10,279
Speaker 1: a year ago, given you everything that happened last year,

1040
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:14,480
Speaker 1: tom Brady playing all season on a torn neligament, the

1041
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 1: lack of preseason, the fact that that was the first

1042
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 1: sort of meeting in the minds between Tom Brady, who've

1043
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:22,760
Speaker 1: been in one system for twenty years and Bruce arians

1044
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:26,319
Speaker 1: who has a completely different system. How he performed in

1045
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:29,799
Speaker 1: year one was insane. That it took them to seven

1046
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:32,280
Speaker 1: eight games to get everything together and then they started

1047
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:35,320
Speaker 1: to cook down the stretch. None of those problems should

1048
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 1: be there this year, and if they stay healthy, they

1049
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 1: should be better than pretty much every team they face.

1050
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:44,239
Speaker 1: But that's not the way the NFL works. Guys are

1051
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 1: gonna get injured. Something's gonna happen. You're gonna have a

1052
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 1: bad game. Everybody does at some point, and the chances

1053
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:55,320
Speaker 1: are you're going to drop one sooner or later. Okay,

1054
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 1: the team that you believe you already said the Cleveland Browns.

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Speaker 1: Let's take Cleveland, the team that you believe again on

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Speaker 1: paper before injuries, going to have the best year. That

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Speaker 1: we're not talking enough about is I think there's a

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Speaker 1: real chance. Tennessee is very good this year. I think

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Speaker 1: it's hard to overstate just how big an impact Julio

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Speaker 1: Jones can have on at that offense. You know, they

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Speaker 1: lost a couple of pieces, but Julio Jones adds that

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Speaker 1: back and then some like the threat of AJ Brown

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Speaker 1: on one side, resuscitated the career of Corey Davis, which

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Speaker 1: has been going nowhere. Corey Davis is good enough that

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Speaker 1: he can win against you know, number two corners if

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Speaker 1: nobody's really paying attention to him. Now you've got Julio

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Speaker 1: Jones and an AJ Brown on either side of the formation.

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Speaker 1: You've got Derrick Henry in the backfield. You've got Tannehill,

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Speaker 1: who's proven to be a good enough quarterback to get

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Speaker 1: the ball where it needs to go and take advantage

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Speaker 1: of those just physical freak superstars. If that group stays healthy,

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Speaker 1: that offense is going to be scary. Yes, and the

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Speaker 1: division's terrible, right, I mean, the we don't know about

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Speaker 1: the Colts, what they're gonna do it, what they're gonna

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Speaker 1: do at quarterback. They're talented team, but quarterback and without

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Speaker 1: their best offensive linemen, we don't know how they start

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Speaker 1: the season. The well, who knows what's going to happen

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Speaker 1: with the Texans and Jacksonville's in rebuild. No, you're one

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Speaker 1: of a rebuild modes. Sam, great stuff, man, Awesome. Sam Munson,

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Speaker 1: lead NFL analysts for Pro Football Focused at PFF Underscore. Sam,

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Speaker 1: appreciate you joining us here on The Dan Patrick Show.