WEBVTT - Is a 90-Minute Commute Worth It for Your “Dream Job”? [BA QA] 0:00:06.400 --> 0:00:09.360 Hey, ba fan, Welcome to the ba Qa where you 0:00:09.360 --> 0:00:11.479 have questions and we have answers. But like with a 0:00:11.680 --> 0:00:16.800 lowercase A, don't come sue us. This is like edutainment, infotainment, 0:00:16.880 --> 0:00:19.200 whatever you want to call it. It's not real one 0:00:19.200 --> 0:00:22.520 on one advice. Let's just get that disclaimer out of 0:00:22.560 --> 0:00:25.360 the way, so get your salt shakers out. I am 0:00:25.440 --> 0:00:29.800 joined by Yaelli sbnl aka, Miss be Helpful, and the 0:00:30.120 --> 0:00:35.560 wonderful Chris Browning of Popcorn Finance. Welcome y'all. You excited 0:00:35.600 --> 0:00:39.440 to get some questions? Yes, let's do it, y'all. If 0:00:39.440 --> 0:00:41.199 you want your question to answered on the show, what 0:00:41.280 --> 0:00:43.280 can you do? 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I have lived in the DFW 0:01:24.720 --> 0:01:27.400 area for the last four years. When I moved here 0:01:27.440 --> 0:01:29.840 from my job, I worked remotely and I only went 0:01:29.920 --> 0:01:32.720 into the office for big events a few times a year. 0:01:33.319 --> 0:01:35.960 Now fast forward to twenty twenty five, and we're back 0:01:36.000 --> 0:01:38.720 in the office four times a week like many other companies. 0:01:39.280 --> 0:01:42.640 I initially lived in Dallas, where the HQ was only 0:01:42.720 --> 0:01:46.319 fifteen minutes away, but since then I've moved to Fort Worth, 0:01:46.360 --> 0:01:48.480 which is an hour to an hour and a half 0:01:48.600 --> 0:01:52.280 hour commute. Hour and a half commute some days. I 0:01:52.320 --> 0:01:55.000 asked my boss if there's flexibility in the work from 0:01:55.040 --> 0:01:58.880 home policy. She said no. I asked about promotion opportunities. 0:01:58.960 --> 0:02:00.960 She said they would be lit id given the state 0:02:01.000 --> 0:02:03.760 of the company, and don't expect much movement for two 0:02:03.800 --> 0:02:04.640 to three years. 0:02:05.240 --> 0:02:06.000 My goodness. 0:02:06.040 --> 0:02:09.359 I love my team, the culture, they have great benefits, 0:02:10.320 --> 0:02:14.040 and it's truly my dream company. Do I jump ship 0:02:14.240 --> 0:02:16.760 and start looking for a new job. I've heard the 0:02:16.760 --> 0:02:19.160 market is tough right now, so that worries me, and 0:02:19.200 --> 0:02:22.720 I'm nervous. The grass won't be greener on the other side. 0:02:23.040 --> 0:02:27.280 That's fair, that's very fair. It's nice to know that 0:02:27.360 --> 0:02:30.040 some companies do you understand it's not just compensation that 0:02:30.160 --> 0:02:34.840 keeps people there. It's like for not all jerks, and 0:02:34.880 --> 0:02:37.200 we offer you know, work life balance a little bit 0:02:37.360 --> 0:02:40.280 is nice. But what do y'all think. Have y'all been 0:02:40.280 --> 0:02:41.400 in that situation before? 0:02:41.800 --> 0:02:43.640 Well, I mean, I'm just interested in how she said 0:02:43.639 --> 0:02:46.520 that it's her dream company. But I feel like your 0:02:46.600 --> 0:02:50.200 dream company would have some leeway, maybe two to three 0:02:50.280 --> 0:02:54.640 days in office in two days at home, or some 0:02:54.919 --> 0:02:57.320 more remotely options, maybe a couple of days a month, 0:02:57.440 --> 0:03:01.160 right Like describing it as you dream company when it's 0:03:01.320 --> 0:03:04.799 lacking one major thing that's not working for you right now, 0:03:05.760 --> 0:03:08.360 I would say that's a big deal because an hour 0:03:08.440 --> 0:03:12.680 and a half commute, that's three hours going and coming back. 0:03:13.240 --> 0:03:15.400 It's a long time, three hours out of your day. 0:03:15.480 --> 0:03:18.360 No how much shit I can get done in three hours? 0:03:18.480 --> 0:03:21.399 Oh my lord. Yeah, So it's interesting. I would push 0:03:21.400 --> 0:03:23.400 back on the idea that it's your dream company because 0:03:23.400 --> 0:03:25.600 I feel like there's so many companies out there nowadays 0:03:25.600 --> 0:03:27.920 that have embraced work from home, even if it's just 0:03:28.000 --> 0:03:30.480 partial you know, work from home days during the week. 0:03:30.520 --> 0:03:32.079 It doesn't have to be work from home five days 0:03:32.080 --> 0:03:34.120 a week, but if it's some days working from home, 0:03:34.160 --> 0:03:36.440 even that is a little bit of an alleviation of 0:03:36.440 --> 0:03:38.400 not being on the road for three hours of your day. 0:03:39.120 --> 0:03:40.840 So I would just push back on that, thinking a 0:03:40.840 --> 0:03:42.800 little bit of like, no, but it's my dream job. No, 0:03:43.160 --> 0:03:46.080 well obviously not, because there's a major part that it's lacking, 0:03:46.960 --> 0:03:48.640 but it's yeah, it's tough. I haven't been in that 0:03:48.680 --> 0:03:51.280 situation because I'm very fortunate to have been pretty much 0:03:51.320 --> 0:03:56.080 in a remote position with limited travel since twenty eighteen. 0:03:56.720 --> 0:03:59.600 So even before COVID, I was in a remote position 0:03:59.680 --> 0:04:03.440 with limited travel. So I feel like it's tough. I 0:04:03.480 --> 0:04:06.240 definitely would have a huge lifestyle shift if I had 0:04:06.240 --> 0:04:09.040 to go in person now, especially if it was an 0:04:09.080 --> 0:04:10.520 hour and a half away, because I don't even drive, 0:04:11.040 --> 0:04:14.240 so I would be like, I got no choice, but 0:04:14.600 --> 0:04:17.279 just right wait on the bus y'all gonna give me 0:04:17.279 --> 0:04:18.400 a huper budget or what? 0:04:22.520 --> 0:04:24.159 Oh that would be wild. 0:04:24.240 --> 0:04:27.400 But it's just such an inconvenient, massive inconvenience to travel. 0:04:27.440 --> 0:04:29.880 Think it also shows like even if you do start 0:04:29.920 --> 0:04:32.200 working at a place that has a certain policy, they 0:04:32.200 --> 0:04:36.080 can change their policy, like, uh, even if and the 0:04:36.120 --> 0:04:38.520 grass isn't always greener, and maybe it is green to 0:04:38.520 --> 0:04:41.240 start with, but then it starts growing weeds and going brown, 0:04:41.760 --> 0:04:43.200 do you know what I mean? And take that analogy 0:04:43.200 --> 0:04:45.839 as far as I can, and I just feel like, 0:04:47.080 --> 0:04:50.120 if you're choosing companies, bab, you really can just make 0:04:50.160 --> 0:04:53.040 information based on what you know now or sorry, make 0:04:53.080 --> 0:04:56.040 decisions based on the information that you have now. And 0:04:56.160 --> 0:04:58.720 the information you have now is that you're getting some 0:04:58.839 --> 0:05:02.200 things that are important. But you have to align your 0:05:02.279 --> 0:05:05.400 values what is most important to you. Not to say 0:05:05.480 --> 0:05:08.200 that great colleagues, dream company. And I think when they 0:05:08.200 --> 0:05:10.680 say dream company, they mean that I didn't put that. 0:05:10.680 --> 0:05:12.800 I didn't read this part. But she says, or yeah, 0:05:12.839 --> 0:05:15.760 she says, hashtag free flights, great benefits. It must be 0:05:15.800 --> 0:05:19.119 like an airline that gives her free travel benefits, which 0:05:19.160 --> 0:05:23.440 are you know not it's a great perk and you 0:05:23.440 --> 0:05:28.440 have yeah and the but with all the perks, I 0:05:28.480 --> 0:05:31.480 think people do need to be realistic about what you're 0:05:31.480 --> 0:05:35.400 giving up in exchange for what you're getting, And you 0:05:35.480 --> 0:05:37.400 have to decide if what you're giving up and what 0:05:37.440 --> 0:05:40.880 you're getting is like in balance or hopefully you get 0:05:40.920 --> 0:05:45.279 more than you're giving and really what like that's really 0:05:45.360 --> 0:05:47.600 up to you, Like does the hour and a half commute? 0:05:47.600 --> 0:05:50.240 Do you love listening to audiobooks and driving a lot? 0:05:50.640 --> 0:05:53.760 Do you love gas bills or electricity bills? If you 0:05:53.800 --> 0:05:57.320 have a hybrid or whatever? Like do you do you mind? 0:05:57.600 --> 0:06:01.560 Maybe it fits your lifestyle now, but if you have 0:06:01.720 --> 0:06:03.880 a family or if you have people who rely on 0:06:03.920 --> 0:06:08.640 you long term, like that may change the calculation. There's 0:06:08.680 --> 0:06:12.479 certainly things that I tolerate I used to tolerate that 0:06:12.520 --> 0:06:16.280 I couldn't tolerate now with my lifestyle and what I 0:06:16.320 --> 0:06:19.880 need that are different. And it could be that it 0:06:19.920 --> 0:06:22.240 was your dream company for a time, but now your 0:06:22.320 --> 0:06:27.400 values have shifted, and yeah, I can't promise that you're 0:06:27.440 --> 0:06:30.400 going to love your new colleagues and that. But I 0:06:30.440 --> 0:06:33.480 think when you go into it with understanding your values 0:06:33.480 --> 0:06:36.479 and like what the reason you're doing things and making 0:06:36.520 --> 0:06:39.160 sure that your values are in alignment with those actions 0:06:39.160 --> 0:06:42.040 that you're taking, like you'll be able to have peace 0:06:42.600 --> 0:06:45.760 knowing like this is why, especially because a lot. 0:06:45.640 --> 0:06:48.320 Of airlines do have remote positions. Now I know a 0:06:48.360 --> 0:06:50.800 lot of the customer service roles are remote. Yeah, I 0:06:50.800 --> 0:06:53.000 have a friend whose mom works for American Airlines and 0:06:53.040 --> 0:06:55.120 she just works from home. She just takes calls all 0:06:55.200 --> 0:06:58.360 day and helps customer service support and stuff, so obviously 0:06:58.360 --> 0:07:00.400 on the chat, but also on the phone. So I 0:07:00.440 --> 0:07:04.919 think if there's like, if the reservation is that, oh no, 0:07:04.960 --> 0:07:07.840 I'm going to lose my free flights, like okay, well, 0:07:07.960 --> 0:07:10.560 let's figure out a role that is remote at least 0:07:10.600 --> 0:07:14.600 part time or full time remote or like part of 0:07:14.640 --> 0:07:16.600 the week remote, even if it's not full time remote, 0:07:16.640 --> 0:07:19.240 that we'll still give you that perk, and it's in 0:07:19.280 --> 0:07:23.080 that same industry, but maybe at a different company, Because yeah, 0:07:23.080 --> 0:07:24.720 I mean, I think that is a huge perk, and 0:07:24.720 --> 0:07:28.520 that is definitely a big, a big factor in the 0:07:28.600 --> 0:07:30.880 decision because that's major for your family, for yourself. 0:07:30.920 --> 0:07:32.280 I'm sure so. 0:07:32.760 --> 0:07:33.960 But you know, it's not the end of the day. 0:07:34.000 --> 0:07:36.720 If you were to take a position that's fully remote 0:07:36.760 --> 0:07:40.760 at a different at a competing company, and like, okay, 0:07:40.800 --> 0:07:43.400 now I'm ten fifteen minutes away or twenty minutes away, 0:07:43.440 --> 0:07:46.000 which is a major lifestyle change rather than driving an 0:07:46.040 --> 0:07:48.080 hour and a half every day, or you could. 0:07:47.920 --> 0:07:51.720 Move back to wherever headquarters was. Go ahead, Chris, is 0:07:51.720 --> 0:07:53.320 that what you're gonna say, that's exactly what I was 0:07:53.680 --> 0:07:55.560 because I was like, because for me, I've worked enough 0:07:55.560 --> 0:07:56.239 bad jobs. 0:07:57.040 --> 0:07:59.239 It was funny on the last episode I talked about 0:07:59.240 --> 0:08:00.600 this job, I hated it, and all my old co 0:08:00.680 --> 0:08:02.240 workers like, were you talking about this job? 0:08:03.280 --> 0:08:06.080 Job knew it? 0:08:07.560 --> 0:08:10.440 They're like, I knew what you're talking about. But after 0:08:11.920 --> 0:08:14.880 I'd be willing to move for a good job. And 0:08:14.920 --> 0:08:16.280 so for me, I don't take that for granted. If 0:08:16.280 --> 0:08:18.080 this is a job you love, you like the benefits, 0:08:18.240 --> 0:08:19.640 like if people you work with you like that what 0:08:19.640 --> 0:08:22.160 you're doing, and they we didn't get the reason why 0:08:22.240 --> 0:08:24.320 they moved away from the area. But if it's something 0:08:24.360 --> 0:08:27.200 that's it was just by choice and you could move back, 0:08:27.560 --> 0:08:29.720 I wouldn't move back for a good job because it 0:08:29.800 --> 0:08:31.760 is tough out there. You know, it is a little 0:08:31.760 --> 0:08:33.840 bit of a risk. I mean, it's worth taking risk 0:08:33.880 --> 0:08:35.880 if it is for the right job. But if every 0:08:35.920 --> 0:08:37.920 if this is everything you want, I'd be willing to 0:08:37.960 --> 0:08:41.120 move back for that job, just because it's hard to 0:08:41.120 --> 0:08:43.000 find a good place. Sometimes it takes some time to 0:08:43.040 --> 0:08:45.600 find the right fit, and to me, it's it's worth it, 0:08:45.640 --> 0:08:48.800 even if it's maybe not like my ideal city. Maybe 0:08:48.800 --> 0:08:50.760 the other city I like better. But if I have 0:08:51.160 --> 0:08:53.640 a community there, friends, family that still exists in that 0:08:53.720 --> 0:08:56.640 place and I can be happy there, I wouldn't. I 0:08:56.640 --> 0:08:58.040 would move back there for a good job. 0:08:58.800 --> 0:09:00.960 That's a good point, especially the mention of like the 0:09:01.000 --> 0:09:04.040 two to three years till there's a promotion, so it's 0:09:04.040 --> 0:09:06.920 like a long time. So if it sounds like I 0:09:06.960 --> 0:09:10.160 mean by including that, I'm assuming that she's deciding she 0:09:10.160 --> 0:09:12.280 wants to wait for that promotion. And if she wants 0:09:12.280 --> 0:09:13.800 to wait for that promotion, then there's sort of this 0:09:14.240 --> 0:09:16.400 inherent commitment to be there. 0:09:16.240 --> 0:09:16.960 For two to three years. 0:09:17.000 --> 0:09:19.600 Longer two to three years of a ninety minion commute 0:09:19.679 --> 0:09:21.559 is now we're talking about something real specific that is 0:09:21.679 --> 0:09:24.240 much longer term. So I would say three years of 0:09:24.320 --> 0:09:26.720 driving ninety minutes a day to and from work, so 0:09:26.800 --> 0:09:29.880 three hours a day is rough. If you know you're 0:09:29.920 --> 0:09:34.520 committed to that, you know, advancement in your career within 0:09:34.600 --> 0:09:37.200 this specific company, then it probably makes sense to do 0:09:37.200 --> 0:09:38.959 what Chris is talking about, because then you know you're 0:09:38.960 --> 0:09:40.760 committing to the three years, you're trying to put your 0:09:40.840 --> 0:09:42.720 name in the hat for this promotion you're trying. That's 0:09:42.760 --> 0:09:45.560 like the route that you're on, rather than like, oh, well, 0:09:45.640 --> 0:09:48.720 I'm just not sure, but I'm conveniently located over here. 0:09:49.120 --> 0:09:51.480 And then it's like, no, there's a very specific reason 0:09:51.520 --> 0:09:53.520 why you're staying there and committing to trying to get 0:09:53.520 --> 0:09:56.360 that promotion. In that case, moving closer to the company 0:09:56.440 --> 0:09:59.440 just goes to show them how committed and serious you are. 0:09:59.520 --> 0:10:01.439 So when that motion comes around, like oh, remember I 0:10:01.480 --> 0:10:04.800 done moved back to Dallas for what for you all? 0:10:04.880 --> 0:10:07.600 For this to stay here, to be able to contribute meaningfully, 0:10:07.720 --> 0:10:08.960 like keep that in mind. 0:10:09.240 --> 0:10:12.320 I don't know you don't think I don't think you 0:10:12.400 --> 0:10:14.440 know that. That that clip going around that people on 0:10:14.440 --> 0:10:17.040 the podcast for Homegirls talking about she met a man 0:10:17.080 --> 0:10:20.000 in Nigeria and he proposed to her and she's gonna move. 0:10:20.080 --> 0:10:22.800 Did you see that? And the other two are like, no, 0:10:22.800 --> 0:10:26.400 don't stop, but give me your passport now. And I 0:10:26.440 --> 0:10:28.760 would stop. I would stop someone from moving to a 0:10:28.800 --> 0:10:31.400 city for a job for the promise of a promotion, 0:10:31.559 --> 0:10:34.200 maybe not even the promise for this, for the for 0:10:34.280 --> 0:10:37.680 the maybe of it all. Yeah, but there could be 0:10:37.720 --> 0:10:41.360 other reasons for every all that plus all the other reasons. 0:10:41.880 --> 0:10:43.839 And the culture is starting that you can see it 0:10:43.920 --> 0:10:46.560 changing for this whole acceptance of work from home to 0:10:46.640 --> 0:10:48.959 even now there's like the environment started to change back. 0:10:49.280 --> 0:10:50.960 How do you think it's changing, because I don't think 0:10:50.960 --> 0:10:52.440 it's it's going the wrong way. 0:10:52.960 --> 0:10:54.959 It's headed back to like you need to be. I'm 0:10:54.960 --> 0:10:56.880 even seeing it here with San Francisco, for like the 0:10:56.960 --> 0:11:00.400 hub of remote work of the most benefits of all time, 0:11:00.840 --> 0:11:03.200 and you're seeing a lot of these companies demanding the 0:11:03.200 --> 0:11:04.840 employees come back into the office. I don't know how 0:11:04.880 --> 0:11:06.680 it's going to work out for them, but you're seeing 0:11:06.679 --> 0:11:09.400 that tie change. Even the city here said that they 0:11:09.440 --> 0:11:11.000 got to bring their employees back. I think it's a 0:11:11.080 --> 0:11:14.400 four days a week now. So yeah, you're seeing a change, 0:11:14.400 --> 0:11:16.080 And so I don't I always felt it was a 0:11:16.120 --> 0:11:19.680 little iffy, like making a move with these remote job promises, 0:11:19.679 --> 0:11:21.320 because I'm like, I don't know if I trust him 0:11:21.320 --> 0:11:23.240 to keep this up. After the pandemic starts to kind 0:11:23.240 --> 0:11:25.319 of calm down, and then you're starting to see is 0:11:25.360 --> 0:11:27.360 the flip the reversal of a lot of these policies. 0:11:27.400 --> 0:11:30.160 So I'd even say, like, you know, you don't know 0:11:30.360 --> 0:11:32.559 how if you find another job that's remote, allows you 0:11:32.600 --> 0:11:34.400 to say where you are how long they'll even keep 0:11:34.400 --> 0:11:37.120 those policies in place, because they, like Madi Will saying, 0:11:37.120 --> 0:11:39.160 they can change your mind and be like, no, we're 0:11:39.320 --> 0:11:40.200 you're all coming back in. 0:11:40.720 --> 0:11:41.000 Yep. 0:11:41.640 --> 0:11:42.840 That's a great point. I mean. 0:11:43.240 --> 0:11:45.560 And the higher you get up, like the management. I 0:11:45.559 --> 0:11:47.520 know you mentioned customer service, you and Ellie, but like 0:11:47.600 --> 0:11:50.160 the more senior positions, I think they haven't even higher 0:11:50.679 --> 0:11:53.640 expectation of showing up and being seen and heard and 0:11:53.679 --> 0:11:56.720 all that. And I mean, I'm a little ambivalent about that. 0:11:56.800 --> 0:11:58.960 I like a hybrid thing. I like going in, I 0:11:59.040 --> 0:12:02.319 like staying home. Like the key for me, it's flexibility. 0:12:02.520 --> 0:12:04.760 I'm a grown ass adult. When I decide it's better 0:12:04.800 --> 0:12:06.920 for me to work from home, I would I'm gonna 0:12:06.960 --> 0:12:07.240 do that. 0:12:07.360 --> 0:12:10.000 Trust me to make that decision because I'm doing what's 0:12:10.080 --> 0:12:12.320 best for this job and not being self. 0:12:12.240 --> 0:12:15.480 Like you know, trust and I think you earn that. 0:12:15.760 --> 0:12:19.360 It's funny because like you expect to hire senior people 0:12:19.400 --> 0:12:21.680 to like be in the office, but I think you've 0:12:21.679 --> 0:12:23.800 earned that trust and respect if you're at that point 0:12:23.840 --> 0:12:25.640 to be able to make your own damn decisions, and 0:12:25.720 --> 0:12:28.080 like that's a little frustrating. And also make that decision 0:12:28.120 --> 0:12:30.559 for your team. You know, you can decide if you're 0:12:30.559 --> 0:12:32.800 if you trust so and so to like work from 0:12:32.800 --> 0:12:37.120 home or not, like anyway, I you should be able 0:12:37.120 --> 0:12:38.920 to you should I mean you hired them because to 0:12:38.960 --> 0:12:40.559 be honest, some people should not be working from home 0:12:40.600 --> 0:12:43.520 because they can't. If you're not even nothing done. 0:12:43.640 --> 0:12:47.120 If you if you are continuously not meeting quotas or 0:12:47.480 --> 0:12:49.640 you know, KPIs or whatever it is your measure your 0:12:49.640 --> 0:12:51.640 metrics are like, then it's a problem that needs to 0:12:51.640 --> 0:12:54.280 be addressed. But if you're on your ship, like, what's 0:12:54.320 --> 0:12:56.560 the problem? I don't you know. I do think right 0:12:56.600 --> 0:12:59.880 now that there's a little bit of like corporate disco 0:13:00.720 --> 0:13:04.840 because if you're a billionaire, multi millionaire whatever corporation of 0:13:04.960 --> 0:13:07.599 CEO or EXAC, right and all your other buddies, that 0:13:07.679 --> 0:13:09.959 other companies are hurting because of the fact that most 0:13:10.000 --> 0:13:12.760 employees are working from home. Meaning the car industry is 0:13:12.800 --> 0:13:14.719 hurting because people aren't driving their cars as much. Car 0:13:14.800 --> 0:13:18.680 auto insurance is hurting because people are canceling all insurance politics. 0:13:18.720 --> 0:13:21.400 They're not driving their cars all day anymore. People are, 0:13:21.480 --> 0:13:23.440 you know, the food industry is hurting because people aren't 0:13:23.520 --> 0:13:25.440 ordering lunches as much because they're not at work. You know, 0:13:25.480 --> 0:13:28.120 corporate events is hurting because people aren't really doing so 0:13:28.160 --> 0:13:29.559 it's like all of a sudden, now all of your 0:13:29.559 --> 0:13:31.199 buddies are calling you up, like what's up? Are you 0:13:31.240 --> 0:13:33.600 going back in office because you know, we need to 0:13:33.600 --> 0:13:36.440 bring we need to spring back into action and get 0:13:36.480 --> 0:13:39.240 you know, people, goods and services going again. And it's 0:13:39.320 --> 0:13:41.480 going to be better when people are in office. And 0:13:41.559 --> 0:13:43.160 so I do think some of it is like this 0:13:43.400 --> 0:13:46.200 not necessarily selfish. I think selfish is the right word, 0:13:46.200 --> 0:13:49.000 but there's probably a better word. But it's really about 0:13:49.040 --> 0:13:54.000 like this motivating motivation, the key motivating factor being the 0:13:54.080 --> 0:13:58.240 benefit to the corporations rather than to the actual workers, 0:13:58.280 --> 0:14:00.560 and what's better for your work life balance and also 0:14:00.720 --> 0:14:03.680 what's better for your productivity because I know, for example, 0:14:03.679 --> 0:14:06.559 when I go to the office and everybody's just sitting 0:14:06.600 --> 0:14:10.080 at the office taking zoom calls from the office, Like, 0:14:10.559 --> 0:14:13.920 but uh, what you mean I had to come in 0:14:13.960 --> 0:14:16.040 person for this, for this experience, for everyone to be 0:14:16.080 --> 0:14:18.520 putting there ear Buzzy didn't take zoom calls from the office. 0:14:18.559 --> 0:14:20.080 We can do that from home. So I think it 0:14:20.160 --> 0:14:23.600 really varies. It really depends on the environment. But I 0:14:23.640 --> 0:14:25.600 think more so when you see that push like that, 0:14:25.800 --> 0:14:28.000 like and of course you know that Jamie Diamond clip 0:14:28.040 --> 0:14:29.920 going viral a couple of weeks ago, it's like you 0:14:30.040 --> 0:14:32.160 hear that frustration and that anger and then you realize 0:14:32.200 --> 0:14:36.720 what it's amount of money. He went viral just because 0:14:36.920 --> 0:14:38.840 he was being recorded and he didn't know, he wasn't 0:14:38.880 --> 0:14:41.680 aware that he was being recorded, and he was basically 0:14:41.800 --> 0:14:44.880 bashing work from home culture and like cursing up the storm, 0:14:44.960 --> 0:14:47.040 saying this is bs, like what the fuck? Like you 0:14:47.080 --> 0:14:48.480 need to come back in office if you want to 0:14:48.520 --> 0:14:50.880 work at this company. He's talking about JP Morgan's last chase. 0:14:51.000 --> 0:14:52.960 If you want to work at this company, you go in, 0:14:53.000 --> 0:14:54.280 You're going to be in person. If you want to 0:14:54.360 --> 0:14:56.000 keep your ass home and be lazy and stay at home, 0:14:56.240 --> 0:14:58.720 stay home, but not here, not for this company. And 0:14:58.760 --> 0:15:02.880 he was just like going on off about how people yes, 0:15:03.000 --> 0:15:05.240 and then the audio got leaked and it went viral, 0:15:05.320 --> 0:15:07.840 and it's like when you listen to the anger underneath 0:15:07.880 --> 0:15:09.040 his voice, and he was really mad. 0:15:09.080 --> 0:15:09.800 He was pissed. 0:15:09.960 --> 0:15:14.680 It's like it's hurting their money, guys, that's why, that's 0:15:14.680 --> 0:15:15.280 why they're so. 0:15:15.400 --> 0:15:19.520 Mad and their egos and they're that whole like, well, 0:15:19.560 --> 0:15:21.400 that's not the way it was when I was coming up. 0:15:21.440 --> 0:15:23.600 And but you look at who had attended the inaugural 0:15:23.720 --> 0:15:26.280 and it's like Silicon Valley you mentioned that, I'm just 0:15:26.440 --> 0:15:30.080 you know vasos, and oh shoot, we didn't even talk 0:15:30.120 --> 0:15:37.440 about Jeff Bezos, basically like saying, where do I begin, girl? 0:15:37.440 --> 0:15:40.359 What do you say? With the Washington Post Jeff Bezos? 0:15:40.640 --> 0:15:44.400 He the opinion section stepped down, and I can see 0:15:44.440 --> 0:15:47.360 why because he's basically said, we're going to have libertarian 0:15:47.440 --> 0:15:55.360 opinions here only and no questioning or critical opinions, literally 0:15:55.400 --> 0:15:59.120 opinions about the White House. And that's just such a 0:15:59.160 --> 0:16:02.840 reversal for what the Washington Post stands for. It it's 0:16:02.840 --> 0:16:05.320 what everyone feared when he bought it, I think. And 0:16:05.360 --> 0:16:07.160 now it's coming to fruition. Yep. 0:16:08.000 --> 0:16:12.040 So yeah, it's just another nut subscribe, another Twitter slash 0:16:12.200 --> 0:16:15.440 x situation where they just keep buying up things and 0:16:15.880 --> 0:16:16.440 using it. 0:16:16.360 --> 0:16:19.120 For and Trump doesn't like work from home, so then 0:16:19.160 --> 0:16:20.880 they don't like it because they want to appeal to 0:16:20.920 --> 0:16:21.400 his ego. 0:16:21.800 --> 0:16:25.280 Of course, of course it's ridiculous, it really is. I mean, 0:16:25.320 --> 0:16:27.120 you know, it's funny a couple with this is random, 0:16:27.160 --> 0:16:29.600 but a couple of weeks ago are months ago, two 0:16:29.600 --> 0:16:31.240 months ago, maybe I was in Atlanta. I went to 0:16:31.320 --> 0:16:34.440 the Usher concert with my homegirl from college and we 0:16:34.560 --> 0:16:38.320 turn around and see two three sections away like towards 0:16:38.400 --> 0:16:40.240 the back or like the stripper poles set up in 0:16:40.240 --> 0:16:44.040 the back, because Usher concert is crazy. Jeff Bezos in 0:16:44.080 --> 0:16:47.680 there just just with his girl, just drinking, and I 0:16:47.800 --> 0:16:49.560 was like, wait a minute, oh no, no, this was 0:16:49.600 --> 0:16:51.720 not in Atlanta. I went to the Usher concert twice. 0:16:51.840 --> 0:16:55.200 This was in Miami, the Miami Usher concert. So in 0:16:55.240 --> 0:16:59.680 the Atlanta Usher concert, who was there? Tiny and t 0:16:59.840 --> 0:17:03.200 I okay, and you know that makes sense. And then 0:17:03.320 --> 0:17:07.359 the Miami one it was Jeff Bezos and and Damon 0:17:07.440 --> 0:17:10.760 John from Shark Tank and from Poubu. Yeah, so it 0:17:10.840 --> 0:17:14.920 was just it's like ridiculous. How you see like the 0:17:15.040 --> 0:17:20.439 most the wealthiest freaking person being escorted by all the 0:17:20.480 --> 0:17:25.439 security and this, like you know, it's ridiculous, like the 0:17:25.520 --> 0:17:28.040 uber black situation pick up and drop off and like 0:17:28.080 --> 0:17:29.679 just being treated whatever. And it's like, bro, we are 0:17:29.680 --> 0:17:31.680 all at this concert just trying to have a good time, 0:17:31.760 --> 0:17:34.600 like don't bring that energy in here. But it's so 0:17:34.680 --> 0:17:38.120 frustrating because they literally have the first and final say 0:17:38.119 --> 0:17:40.320 when it comes to so many of the policies that 0:17:40.359 --> 0:17:44.320 affect our lived experiences every single day. And yet when 0:17:44.359 --> 0:17:46.080 it comes to even just like your ability to go 0:17:46.119 --> 0:17:47.800 to a consert and enjoy yourself, Oh excuse me, you 0:17:47.800 --> 0:17:51.080 have to wait an hour until Jeff Bezos enters and exits. 0:17:51.119 --> 0:17:53.480 Like it's so frustrating. 0:17:53.560 --> 0:17:55.760 But you know at the back of the office, we 0:17:55.800 --> 0:17:58.120 have to order sit again because you can't make time 0:17:58.160 --> 0:17:58.400 to go. 0:17:58.359 --> 0:18:00.520 To the stove, you know, And so you can't even 0:18:00.520 --> 0:18:03.359 boycot Amazon even if you wanted to, because they make 0:18:03.400 --> 0:18:06.720 it literally impossible. Mm, well we should wrap up the 0:18:06.760 --> 0:18:07.600 b a qa. 0:18:10.000 --> 0:18:15.040 For her. Oh yeah, we just. 0:18:14.920 --> 0:18:15.600 Went off track. 0:18:16.600 --> 0:18:20.320 I think we got the answer. I remember we got there. 0:18:20.680 --> 0:18:24.720 Good luck, Sasha, and I think we all wrap I 0:18:24.760 --> 0:18:27.120 think just to wrap that up. I think that the 0:18:27.200 --> 0:18:30.880 key takeaways are you have to decide where where your 0:18:30.960 --> 0:18:35.560 values are and recognize that companies are not going to 0:18:35.600 --> 0:18:37.680 always be the perfect fit for you for where you're 0:18:37.680 --> 0:18:39.480 at in your life. And like maybe it was your 0:18:39.560 --> 0:18:41.240 dream company, but now that it wants you back in 0:18:41.280 --> 0:18:44.360 the office, well that just it just qualifies them from 0:18:44.359 --> 0:18:47.880 being your dream company and just to I think that's 0:18:48.000 --> 0:18:50.600 a healthy it's a healthy thing to know as you 0:18:50.760 --> 0:18:53.199 pursue the rest of your career and will help you 0:18:53.240 --> 0:18:55.720