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Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

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Speaker 1: Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome to the Drive. I am Dale Lolly, he

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Speaker 2: is the Matt Williamson and Matt.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's official. What's up?

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Speaker 2: We have our first injury report of the season. No,

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Speaker 2: let's go how about that? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: With season is here?

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Speaker 2: Is here?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I love it. Let's go through it all right? Cool

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Speaker 2: for the Steelers. Roman Wilson, Corey Trice, Jalen Warren, Troy

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Speaker 2: Fatanu all limited participants today.

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Speaker 3: But we're out there.

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Speaker 2: But we're out there and moving in the right direction.

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Speaker 2: Isaac Sayamal Logan Lee did not practice Logan Lee dealing

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Speaker 2: with the calf injury.

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Speaker 3: I don't think it's wrong with Lee.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's been like that for a couple of weeks now.

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Speaker 3: We've been talked Trice in a while though. What's his

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Speaker 3: issue again?

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Speaker 2: Uh? Groin?

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Speaker 3: Okay? Would you expect him?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Okay, Yeah. On the Falcon side.

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Speaker 3: Of things, this is a little more interesting.

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Speaker 2: Hole Pitts shows up today with a hamstring. Yeah, and

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Speaker 2: you texted me that this morning as a limited participant. Now,

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Speaker 2: Raheem Morris, their head coach, said, Oh, this is no

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Speaker 2: big deal, but this is something new.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, this has not been something lingering through

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Speaker 3: camp or whatever. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: They also had a linebacker, Nate Landman with quadrcep. He

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Speaker 2: was also limited today.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I think he plays a fair amount. Maybe not.

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure on him. There was a linebacker I

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Speaker 3: hadn't really heard of, and I thought it was him

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Speaker 3: that has played a fair amount for them over the years,

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Speaker 3: or over the last year or so. Pitts is interesting,

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Speaker 3: of course. I mean he's a speed guy. You don't

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Speaker 3: love hearing hamstring. I mean things like that. We shall see.

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Speaker 3: But I mean it's early in the week. I mean,

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Speaker 3: for those of you that haven't heard an injury report

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Speaker 3: in a while, Wednesdays are usually pretty cautious. Thursday's very telling.

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Speaker 3: And then by the end of the week, if they

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Speaker 3: haven't practiced and time to get real worried.

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Speaker 2: I will say this, and this is a Tomlin thing

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Speaker 2: for young players. Yeah, and a lot of these guys

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Speaker 2: are young Wilson, Trice, uh Fatanu, Logan Lee. If they

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Speaker 2: don't practice in a full capacity by Friday, yeah, they're

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Speaker 2: not playing.

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Speaker 3: It's different if it's Cam Hayward or DJ or guys.

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Speaker 2: That he trusted. Jay Warren is limited all week, he's.

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Speaker 3: Probably gonna go. Yeah, Okay, that's a good thing to know.

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Speaker 3: I would imagine Trice is in that young guy bucket too,

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Speaker 3: but it doesn't sound like there's a lot to be

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Speaker 3: worried about him. I would be shocked if Wilson Roman is.

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Speaker 3: There's three Wilson's on this team. I always forget that.

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Speaker 3: I'll play a fair amount. I'd be shocked if Roman's

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Speaker 3: involved this week. You know, I would think another week

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Speaker 3: of practice, full speed, getting up the speed, and then

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Speaker 3: be active in week two.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if you probably use some different.

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Speaker 3: Probably Fatana the same way too.

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Speaker 2: Well, Fatana you might need him.

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Speaker 3: Though, because there's a tackle and you don't have cooked

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Speaker 3: you don't have tackles, right, you are light.

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Speaker 2: Of tackle, So I mean that could be a if

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Speaker 2: you note yeah, right, we went through all that. Yes,

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Speaker 2: I know, I know, I know, reiterating. You only have

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Speaker 2: that that might be an issue.

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Speaker 3: No, they're a little thin on the other line right now,

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Speaker 3: particularly tackle. I mean, three would be fine.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, but you gotta have three healthy ones.

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Speaker 3: You have three healthy ones.

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Speaker 2: So that's where the Steelers stand right now heading into

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Speaker 2: this game against the Atlanta Falcons, as is the case

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Speaker 3: You know, not that many people got hurt in the

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Speaker 3: preseason because not too many people played in the preseason, right,

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Speaker 3: I mean these injury reports the Falcons played, No, they

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Speaker 3: didn't do anything. I would think a lot of these

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Speaker 3: injury reports for the sixteen games will be pretty clean.

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Speaker 3: Yeah until next week.

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Speaker 2: So looking at this game, yeah, if Pitts is limited, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I would imagine, And then I would think your next

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Speaker 3: will utilize Pitts. I mean he was much more of

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Speaker 3: what he is. I think they might think he's Nikua

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Speaker 3: he might be closer to London than he is Goronkowski,

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Speaker 3: he's unable to go, I mean, Bijon's a really good receiver.

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Speaker 3: I think Moone's closer to a three than a two,

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Speaker 3: and now he's kind of thrust into the two role,

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Speaker 2: Up for it, and they don't really have a three,

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Speaker 3: I mean, so your five skill guys, if Pitts isn't

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Speaker 3: I think Byjeon can be great. I think London could

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Speaker 3: be great. I think Pitts can be great and hasn't been,

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Speaker 3: those out, you're trotting out three guys that are suspect guys, right,

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Speaker 3: that are suspect dudes. I mean, which makes I mean

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Speaker 3: Belichick thing of put Porter on Mooney and basically really

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Speaker 3: have an advantage and then two guys on London, you

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Speaker 3: know what I mean, that's not really what they do.

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Speaker 2: I expect Pitts to play. Yeah, I just wonder how

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Speaker 2: much he's going to be hampered by this one thing.

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Speaker 2: That's because he's a speed Yeah, that's that's his game.

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Speaker 3: Long stride, open it up, speed, acceleration, hamstring stuff, right right,

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Speaker 3: you need hamstrings for yeah, So maybe you seek pretty

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Speaker 2: Well, last season, London played twenty nine percent of his

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Speaker 2: snaps in the slot. Now we don't know what this

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Speaker 3: Last season, I see what you're saying.

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Speaker 2: Pickens only played seventeen percent of his snaps in the

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Speaker 3: I think that goes up drastically.

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Speaker 2: I do too.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think it's a great way to scheme

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Speaker 3: and from a variety of spots and yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I would be shocked if that's he's not gonna line

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Speaker 3: I mean, I would be really shocked by that, especially

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Speaker 2: I say that because the Falcons did use AJ Terrell

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Speaker 3: Did I wasn't sure on that.

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Speaker 2: They did it against Calvin Ridley, Mike Evans twice, Okay,

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Speaker 2: DeAndre Hopkins, Alex Pierce, imagine that and DJ Moore?

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Speaker 3: Wow, that makes I mean, I would think they look

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Speaker 2: Yeah he is, Well, it's still O Rohem Moore so

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Speaker 3: He's in one in charge of Yeah, defensive guy, he's

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Speaker 3: the defensive guy. But as I'm saying, is it the

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Speaker 3: I would think you use them like or you attack

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Speaker 3: Pickens like he's Mike Evans.

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Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing though, the fact that they did

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Speaker 2: it on Alec Pierce because it's a certain style is

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know that it's a lot of downfield, longer

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Speaker 3: double Pittman move, right, you know, put your best guy.

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Speaker 2: On just a deep threat and run with them. It's weird.

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Speaker 3: The Pierce one that stands out. Kind of strange though,

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Speaker 3: but they're not little shifty guys that they had him

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Speaker 2: The thing is though, I think Van Jefferson can get deep.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he's not a slow guy.

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Speaker 3: No, he's not.

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Speaker 2: So it's it's interesting and of course obviously you know,

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Speaker 2: the Falcons deploy Terrell. Oh yeah, because he traveled with

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Speaker 2: with Pickens, he's not going to go into the slot

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Speaker 3: I don't know if they'll left right it. I don't

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Speaker 3: know if they'll He probably won't go in the slot.

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Speaker 3: Porter's gone in the slot though, yeah he had. I

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Speaker 2: That's like two power forwards, right.

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Speaker 3: A lot of sighe obviously. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So, I mean that's really not a bad matchup at

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Speaker 3: I mean, London causes problems for everybody. He's good and

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Speaker 2: DeAndre Hopkins to his game in terms of the physicality

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, I think Porter is a good stylistic matchup

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Speaker 3: for him though a Steeler perspective, And I would probably

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Speaker 3: say the same for Terrell Therell's not a little shifty

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Speaker 3: dude either. I mean, but I think both those guys

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Speaker 3: Terrell a ton of money. I mean, so I would

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Speaker 3: think you'd be more apt to having him follow Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Interesting thing about it is that if I were picking

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Speaker 2: two guys, two players who are the best young, contested

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Speaker 2: catch guys, it might be London and Pickings. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. In terms of being physical, just go get the mind,

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Speaker 3: contorting their body, great athletes size length, you know, catch

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Speaker 3: think you're one hundred percent right.

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Speaker 2: Don't know. London he's very you know, like like really good.

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Speaker 3: He really really I mean he was the first receiver

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Speaker 3: drafted in the same one with the Lave and Garrett Wilson,

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Speaker 3: and I mean that was a great receiver class and

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Speaker 3: no when bad and I when they took him first.

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Speaker 2: He played basketball USC too.

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Speaker 3: I think early in his career. Yeah, I mean he's

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Speaker 3: a leaper. Yeah, he goes up and gets it. Yeah yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: This is the drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

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Speaker 2: And we are back. I am Dale Lolly. He is

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Speaker 3: I guess you got to rank the rookies sometimes, should't

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Speaker 2: It wouldn't be mine either.

439
00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:10,320
Speaker 3: That's kinda might have the highest maybe for impact right now,

440
00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:12,359
Speaker 3: how he's got to play like who do you want

441
00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:13,800
Speaker 3: to play against him?

442
00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:14,400
Speaker 2: Right?

443
00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:15,240
Speaker 3: Right? Exactly?

444
00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:17,159
Speaker 2: I mean they're already coming out of the gate. You

445
00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:18,960
Speaker 2: haven't seen him, That's what I mean. He could have

446
00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:21,280
Speaker 2: a Lamar Jackson type impact.

447
00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:24,040
Speaker 3: Right, I mean all those defenders talk about how Lamar's

448
00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:26,080
Speaker 3: fast on tape, but until you play him, yeah, it's

449
00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:26,640
Speaker 3: a different world.

450
00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:29,320
Speaker 2: That's why that first time anybody plays Lamar, he rips

451
00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:31,320
Speaker 2: up the NFC. He kills them right up the NFC

452
00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:33,360
Speaker 2: because they just have they don't see it. You can

453
00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:36,200
Speaker 2: you can have somebody pretend to be him in practice,

454
00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:37,240
Speaker 2: but it ain't him, or.

455
00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:39,240
Speaker 3: How sudden he is when he decides to go. I

456
00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:41,240
Speaker 3: mean yeah, plus the fact that you can still throw

457
00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:43,879
Speaker 3: the football, like I've been pretty impressed with Kayleb Williams,

458
00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:46,040
Speaker 3: and he deserves to be the first overall pick. But

459
00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:47,720
Speaker 3: if all the rookies, who do I want to play

460
00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:50,080
Speaker 3: against in Week one of their rookie year, as you

461
00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:52,920
Speaker 3: know they're all learning all the other stuff, Daniels might

462
00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:53,680
Speaker 3: be my last pick.

463
00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:56,240
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think I want to see some tape at

464
00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:57,120
Speaker 2: him first.

465
00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:58,399
Speaker 3: Right, right right, And I know he's gonna hurt me

466
00:20:58,400 --> 00:20:59,719
Speaker 3: with his legs at some point.

467
00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:01,560
Speaker 2: Twenty nine bow.

468
00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:06,680
Speaker 3: Nicks, Okay, I mean I mean the rookies should be here, Yeah,

469
00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:10,159
Speaker 3: they should be below even the guys who have started. Yeah,

470
00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:11,440
Speaker 3: you can let them work the way up.

471
00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:16,280
Speaker 2: Twenty eight Caleb Williams. Okay, so he did put him

472
00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:16,760
Speaker 2: down here.

473
00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:19,800
Speaker 3: I mean I got no problem. I mean maybe his

474
00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:21,359
Speaker 3: order is a little different. But I would have the

475
00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:23,399
Speaker 3: rookies together. Yeah, I don't. I don't have a problem

476
00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:27,480
Speaker 3: with that. Twenty seven, that's the only three starting rookies. Yeah. Yeah,

477
00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:29,400
Speaker 3: because McCarthy's hurt, Panics is not.

478
00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:33,520
Speaker 2: And twenty seven is Sam Darnold. He'd have to be lower,

479
00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:35,080
Speaker 2: you have to. I'd have to have him.

480
00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:37,720
Speaker 3: Both of the guys who were who are featured, who

481
00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:42,520
Speaker 3: have been starters. Yes, now I will what four different

482
00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:45,280
Speaker 3: situations now the niners weren't a failure.

483
00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:47,159
Speaker 2: No, he would, yeah, but I mean.

484
00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:52,040
Speaker 3: He has not shown that he's able, right, and he's

485
00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:54,840
Speaker 3: well I was just saying he's only in there because

486
00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:56,560
Speaker 3: of an injury. That's not entirely true. I think he

487
00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:58,119
Speaker 3: would have started to want a job. Yeah, he might

488
00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:00,240
Speaker 3: have won the job, but they drafted a first round

489
00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:00,880
Speaker 3: or behind him.

490
00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:04,480
Speaker 2: You know, will he be starting next year for somebody.

491
00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:06,840
Speaker 3: I think he's gonna have a good year. I think

492
00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:10,040
Speaker 3: it'd be fine. But if I'm doing a ranking of

493
00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:11,960
Speaker 3: like this nature or power around. I don't think he

494
00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:13,320
Speaker 3: has a Baker Mayfield type.

495
00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:17,840
Speaker 2: Year, not to that level. That's pretty it was pretty good,

496
00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:18,840
Speaker 2: but it was pretty.

497
00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:21,040
Speaker 3: Good the weapons they won, they won the division, and

498
00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:22,320
Speaker 3: I mean that's pretty extreme.

499
00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:24,639
Speaker 2: I mean when we talked about Tom Brady going to

500
00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,159
Speaker 2: Tampa a few years ago, we thought that was a

501
00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:30,320
Speaker 2: perfect landing spot because of the weapons that they have

502
00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:32,600
Speaker 2: in Tampa. That's why they're still the same weapons.

503
00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:35,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, So I'd say no on that. And

504
00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:38,480
Speaker 3: if I'm doing my point is i'm doing these rankings.

505
00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:40,640
Speaker 3: It's not how good a season do I think you're

506
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:42,920
Speaker 3: gonna have, or boy, he's gonna throw for the most

507
00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:46,320
Speaker 3: yards because he's throwing the chasing Higgins or yeah, who

508
00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:49,280
Speaker 3: are you now? Donald might be last. It's not a

509
00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:52,960
Speaker 3: rookie for me. Yeah, and Levice would be around there

510
00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:53,239
Speaker 3: right now.

511
00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:55,160
Speaker 2: Ninety seven passing yards last year.

512
00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:58,200
Speaker 3: Donald, Yeah, I didn't even know he saw the field.

513
00:22:58,720 --> 00:22:59,160
Speaker 2: He moped.

514
00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:01,720
Speaker 3: They said he played in ten games. They must have

515
00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:05,480
Speaker 3: all been mop ups. Old bit right, Yeah, okay, because

516
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:06,440
Speaker 3: I wanted to see him in.

517
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,840
Speaker 2: Sanf twenty six is Gardner minshew, he'd.

518
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:13,720
Speaker 3: Be lower for me. I know, he was quote successful

519
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,159
Speaker 3: with the Colts last year and he's easy to root for.

520
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:18,960
Speaker 3: He's got a great mustache, he got a great stash,

521
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:22,719
Speaker 3: and he wear's funny you know, George and yellow mustache.

522
00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:24,440
Speaker 2: But the play caller.

523
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 3: Is very limited with him as your quarterback.

524
00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:28,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's going to always hinder him. The only

525
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:30,760
Speaker 2: thing he will do is he'll get the ball where

526
00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:31,320
Speaker 2: it needs to go.

527
00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:34,040
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, he will. He knows where his bread

528
00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:36,560
Speaker 3: is butter, yep. I compare him to Ryan Fitzpatrick over

529
00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:38,200
Speaker 3: and over, like. I think he'll be in a league a.

530
00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:40,080
Speaker 2: Long time because they both had great facial and they

531
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 2: got that kind of stuff.

532
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:44,320
Speaker 3: Though for him, he'll play for ten teams. You know, well,

533
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:48,119
Speaker 3: he's on his way. That's exactly where he's going. Twenty

534
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,720
Speaker 3: five has he played for already. He was an Eagle

535
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:54,200
Speaker 3: already too, Fourth four, yeah.

536
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,919
Speaker 2: And he's been in the league for five years, right.

537
00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:01,760
Speaker 2: It's the perfect backup though. Twenty five is Deshaun Watson fair.

538
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I would have him at a Levis

539
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:06,199
Speaker 3: But that's yeah, I would you know, I mean I

540
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,879
Speaker 3: would too, just because and probably Richardson just because of

541
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 3: the rookie thing we talked about. But of dudes that

542
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,000
Speaker 3: have started, and you've seen a lot of he's pretty bad.

543
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 2: Six games last year he threw seven touchdown passes, which

544
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,040
Speaker 2: is good. It's all right, fine, went five and one

545
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 2: when he started. I know. Yeah, he had four interceptions

546
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:26,119
Speaker 2: and five fumbles.

547
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,600
Speaker 3: The fumbles are terrible. His accuracy is pretty poor.

548
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 2: Too, Yeah, sixty one point four percent some of the interceptions.

549
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 3: It's not a bad situation. It's not young or you know,

550
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:39,320
Speaker 3: they run well.

551
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't know they.

552
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:44,000
Speaker 3: Had done any better than Daniel Jones with the Giants.

553
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:48,880
Speaker 3: Oh no, you know, maybe worse, maybe worse at twenty

554
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:54,560
Speaker 3: four Russell Wilson, that's harsh. I think people lump Watson

555
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,719
Speaker 3: and Wilson together too much because they were traded at

556
00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 3: similar times. The cap hit wasn't a good deal for

557
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:06,200
Speaker 3: the new team. I think wasn't the Sean Payton didn't

558
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:09,879
Speaker 3: bring him in right. He didn't fit what Sean Payton

559
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 3: wants to do, right, and so that's why they moved

560
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 3: on from him. I think people look at this say, well,

561
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:16,680
Speaker 3: they moved on from Russell Wilson because you know, he

562
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:17,680
Speaker 3: had a bad year.

563
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:21,199
Speaker 2: He was seven and eight on a bad team, on

564
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:23,879
Speaker 2: a bad team. He has better He has better guys

565
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:27,160
Speaker 2: around him now than what he had in Denver last year.

566
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 3: I mean, Cleveland would have been if Wilson at eats durable.

567
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 3: We know Watson's over on the field. If he had

568
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 3: played seventeen for the Browns last year, they would have

569
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:38,920
Speaker 3: been a better football team than they were. Including the

570
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:40,960
Speaker 3: Flacco stuff. Yeah, I mean the Flaco stuff was a

571
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 3: little fluky, a little bit. He was just chucking it

572
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 3: around and kind of lucky until the end, you know. Yeah,

573
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:48,919
Speaker 3: But I just think that like Levis needs to be

574
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:50,919
Speaker 3: lower in those guys then absolutely.

575
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:55,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, come on, I think Wilson's probably closer to twenty

576
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 2: right now than he has twenty four. Agreed, Agreed. I

577
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,119
Speaker 2: don't think he's fifteen. I'm not saying now.

578
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,639
Speaker 3: I think you could get there pretty easily, but you

579
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:04,439
Speaker 3: couldn't put him there.

580
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:06,320
Speaker 2: Now, Let's look at the guys who they have ahead

581
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:10,159
Speaker 2: of them. Twenty three is Yakobe Brissette. Now, you are

582
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 2: the biggest Jakoby Yoursel in the world. He's not better

583
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 2: than Russell Wilson. No, And I'm not sure he's better

584
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:17,919
Speaker 2: than Watson or Daniel Jones. No, yeah, I mean he

585
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 2: is what he is and I respect what he is.

586
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 2: I will say this two years ago when he was

587
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 2: with the Browns, he was better than Deshaun Watson.

588
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 3: He's been their best quarterback since. Well that's the best.

589
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:29,920
Speaker 2: You go back and back and back.

590
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 3: But he's been the best one lately, maybe the best

591
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,200
Speaker 3: one Stefanski's had, including that Flacco stretch.

592
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:37,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was a solid player. He was a good

593
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 2: player for them a couple years.

594
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:40,360
Speaker 3: Like, I like him more than Minshew. I could see

595
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 3: an argument both ways. But they're on the same tier,

596
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:44,199
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. They're really good backups that

597
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,440
Speaker 3: are gonna last this league as long as they want.

598
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 2: The other thing, though, is percent only played three games

599
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:49,920
Speaker 2: last year.

600
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,120
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, so he's a little out of sight, out

601
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 3: of mind. And their weapons in Washington, No, he's this

602
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:58,159
Speaker 3: upcoming This year is going to be bad this year.

603
00:26:58,280 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, they they have no weapons.

604
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 3: Yeah. I was asked to do a power rank for

605
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 3: Lockdown last night. I put to Patriots thirty two. I

606
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 3: put him below the Panthers.

607
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,119
Speaker 2: I would too, Yeah, I mean who on that team

608
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,680
Speaker 2: would you take and say, oh, I can build around

609
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 2: this guy.

610
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,880
Speaker 3: Who's a blue chip player on that team. You hope

611
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 3: the quarterback will be And I like May all the time,

612
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:21,119
Speaker 3: all day long. But there's not many I like. But

613
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:23,880
Speaker 3: I mean he's also played. He played four games, and

614
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:27,439
Speaker 3: I really liked their defense last year. But you traded

615
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:29,880
Speaker 3: Jude On and bar More's out for a long stretch,

616
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 3: and you might have lost the best defensive mind of

617
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 3: all time. There was probably something to do with getting

618
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 3: a lot out of Jabriel Peppers, you know what I

619
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:38,399
Speaker 3: think of those type of guys to get there, you know,

620
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:39,920
Speaker 3: revitalate their career.

621
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 2: Be horrible, it could be really ugly.

622
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 3: We did over under win totals today and I think

623
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 3: they're over under wind totals five. It's either four and

624
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 3: a half or five and a half. I went under.

625
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 3: I mean it was that low. I went under. Yeah,

626
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 3: it's bad.

627
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 2: Twenty two is will love us. I'm sorry. It has

628
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 2: to be lower, has to be lower, has.

629
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 3: To be lower. I mean he is talented, and he's

630
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,919
Speaker 3: big and strong and kind of easy to root for

631
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 3: it because he's aggressive and he'll take hids, but too much.

632
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:08,400
Speaker 3: I mean he's got a lot of Jameis Winston too.

633
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:09,920
Speaker 2: He puts mayonnaise in his coffee.

634
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 3: That's weird too. Yeah, I didn't like him.

635
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:14,439
Speaker 2: He eats a banana with the peel this bite right

636
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 2: into it.

637
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:17,160
Speaker 3: Weird dude, Weird dude.

638
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 2: He completed fifty eight point four percent of his passes

639
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 2: last year.

640
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 3: See, like, if you focus on your shower shoes and

641
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 3: you're right in the show's a guine. But if you're

642
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 3: throwing it, if you can't make it in the show,

643
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 3: you can't have focus on your shower, right, and you

644
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 3: can't right.

645
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:32,680
Speaker 2: Banana's appealing, all.

646
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 3: Right, right, Joe Montana can yeah do it everyway? Right?

647
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, but anything less for a quarterback to me than

648
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 2: like sixty three percent. Yeah, completion rate in this game

649
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 2: in today's day and age is too low.

650
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 3: He's too much of a big game hunter. I mean,

651
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 3: he is a chucket and gets beat up. I put

652
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 3: him near the top of the list of likely to

653
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 3: get hurt too. Yeah, he's got a lot of refinement

654
00:28:55,560 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 3: to do. Uh At twenty one Anthony Rich same thing.

655
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 3: Fifty nine point five percent of a completion percentage, Yeah,

656
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 3: which isn't close to good enough. No, I'm hard to

657
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 3: play against. I mean, like I'd rather play against Levis

658
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 3: than Richardson without questions.

659
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 2: But he started four games last year and he didn't

660
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,239
Speaker 2: finish one of them. He has to be lower, Like

661
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 2: I was looking at Gardner Minshew played in all seventeen

662
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 2: games last year. Yeah, he didn't start them all, but

663
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 2: he played because and he wasn't the starter. This guy

664
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 2: kept getting hurt.

665
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 3: That's that's the biggest thing to be concerned about. He

666
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 3: has two huge ones. I mean it's accuracy and durability,

667
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 3: and those are monsters.

668
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 2: At twenty Derek Carr now see, I consider Russell Wilson

669
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 2: more in this range.

670
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, the car isn't for me because he plays kind

671
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 3: of soft. I mean, he's too happy dumping it down.

672
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 3: But nobody paid any attention. The last like six weeks

673
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 3: of the year. He started to find himself a little

674
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 3: bit with the Saints, and I remember, like when he

675
00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 3: was getting coached by Gruden, I did a top twenty

676
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 3: quarterback list and I had him like twelve. You know,

677
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 3: that was his peak and he could be that guy again,

678
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. He's a talent dude who's

679
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 3: been around the ball. If he can get to twelve twelve.

680
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 2: That's harsh.

681
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's too many good ones.

682
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, But twenty, I think if if Russell

683
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 2: Wilson plays at twenty, at the level of twenty or so,

684
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 2: Steel is gonna win a bunch of games.

685
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he could be as good as car Yeah. Yeah,

686
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 3: at nineteen, Gino Smith, he can be as good as

687
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:30,239
Speaker 3: Gino Smith. I'm a believer in Gino Smith, no more

688
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 3: and more. I mean he's an aggressive thrower that I

689
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 3: don't want to say Seattle hindered him, but it's a

690
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 3: little bit of the less let Russ Cook nonsense too,

691
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 3: Like they ran the fewest plays in the league, Like

692
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 3: the numbers were never going to be there for him. Yeah,

693
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 3: but he's an NFL starter. I mean, like he's a

694
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 3: good player.

695
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 2: And they have great weapons.

696
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 3: They great weapons too.

697
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 2: Yeah. Eighteen Kyler Murray. I'd be higher on Murray.

698
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 3: I mean he came back and struggled a little on

699
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:00,479
Speaker 3: an awful team, and then he finished the season real

700
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:01,959
Speaker 3: strong too, when he looked healthy.

701
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 2: I will say this, in eight games, five interceptions and

702
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 2: seven fumbles. Seven fumbles in eight games, pretty terrible. Yeah, yeah,

703
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 2: and I would and he wasn't running like that, right.

704
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,479
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think he's better than that and will be

705
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:15,959
Speaker 3: better than that.

706
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 2: I do too. Yeah, seventeen Trevor Lawrence.

707
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 3: I'm much higher in Lawrence than that.

708
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 2: He did have fourteen interceptions last year, then fumble brutal.

709
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 2: The fumbles are really really bad. The turnovers are really

710
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 2: really bad. He needs to be better.

711
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 3: Yeahs or unacceptable.

712
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 2: Like there was a one last year when he's just

713
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 2: out running he just drops the football.

714
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's been a couple of those. Are what are

715
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 3: you doing? You just didn't even protect it at all?

716
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 3: Or a lot of his I'm a Lawrence apologist, I

717
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 3: just am. I don't think he's the best prospect that

718
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 3: ever lived since John Elway, But I mean he has

719
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 3: a lot of drops and if you watch his interceptions,

720
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 3: a lot of them are third and eight punts, and

721
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 3: like they're smart interceptions. You know, not all interceptions are created.

722
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 2: Equal, That's true. Sixteen is Kirk Cousins.

723
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 3: I might be higher, but lack of mobility is an issue. Yeah,

724
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 3: I mean it's in today's NFL. He doesn't fit twenty

725
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 3: five rushing yards last year in eight games. Wow.

726
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 2: I mean Derek Carr is worse had forty and seventeen games.

727
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 3: Two is even worse.

728
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, these guys just don't They don't hurt

729
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 2: you at all with their lips.

730
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 3: Uh.

731
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 2: Fifteen is Baker Mayfield.

732
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 3: I think that's his peak, but I think he earned

733
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 3: that from the way he played last year. Yeah. I

734
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 3: don't think he's like going up.

735
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 2: No. I think that's as high as Yeah. Yeah, I agree.

736
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 2: Fourteen Matthew Stafford.

737
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 3: I think that's criminal. He might be five for me.

738
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 3: He had no fumbles last year. He is in big

739
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 3: time professional quarterback. That quarterback gurus just rave about his

740
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 3: aggressiveness mixed with knowing where to put the football and

741
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 3: when to hold and when to fold them. You know,

742
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 3: that's insane. That's way. I think he's the best quarterback

743
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 3: in the NFC.

744
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 2: Thirteen is Brock Purty. Where do you rank him?

745
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 3: But I think that's about well, that's wrong. I always

746
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 3: think of him and Tua, and I think he's better

747
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 3: than Tua. I think he has more playmaker in him

748
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 3: than Tua. They may both benefit of lost from the system.

749
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 3: But so to Joe Montana, I mean right, yeah, I mean,

750
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 3: I'm perty's legit, dude. I was very skeptical for a

751
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 3: long time.

752
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 2: Twelve is Tua. Here's the thing with Tua. We mentioned

753
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 2: that the lack of h had seventy four rushing yards

754
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 2: last year, seventy which more than some other guys, right, yeah,

755
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 2: more than I thought. But he had fourteen interceptions in

756
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 2: thirteen fumbles.

757
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the first time he's ever stayed healthy too.

758
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a lot of turnover worthy plays, turnover plays, and.

759
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 3: He'd be noticeably lower for me, he'd be like eighteen. Yeah,

760
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 3: seven he has. He's behind Lawrence, He's behind Stafford, maybe behind.

761
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 2: Geno, you know, eleven Jared Goff.

762
00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think he's earned that at this point.

763
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 3: He's not going to have run at all either. And

764
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 3: he has a really good environment.

765
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 2: And big games twenty one rushing he herds in twenty one.

766
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,839
Speaker 3: Wow, But he's been pretty darn good.

767
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 2: Yeah.

768
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:15,760
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm a believer he's.

769
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 2: Kind of a sleeper pick for MVP this year.

770
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, and I could see it. I picked him

771
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 3: to be the one seed in the NFC. If that's true,

772
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 3: he's gonna be in the mix.

773
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 2: Yeah.

774
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 3: Ten Jalen Hurts, Okay, I'm fine with that.

775
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 2: There.

776
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 3: I got some stuff on Twitter from a podcast I

777
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,280
Speaker 3: did today because they're playing Green Bay in Brazil. Yeah,

778
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 3: I said Green Bay's got the quarterback advantage, and people

779
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 3: didn't like that in Philly apparently, But yeah, it hurts.

780
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 3: Needs to do some work too, and he doesn't handle

781
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:45,359
Speaker 3: blitzwell at all.

782
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 2: No fifteen interceptions last year, nine fumbles. People are trying

783
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 2: to figure him out a little bit. Nine. Justin Herbert,

784
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 2: I would have him higher. You're a Herbert truth I am?

785
00:34:56,200 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 3: I am. I mean when you have some traits like him,

786
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 3: it just makes up for a lot of problems. I mean,

787
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 3: he's a rare thrower.

788
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 2: You gonna win some games for me, I hear you.

789
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:11,359
Speaker 2: Eight Jordan Love. I think that's about right for Love.

790
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 2: He'd probably be in my top ten. Seven Aaron Rodgers.

791
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 2: I have no idea where to put Aaron Rodgers right now.

792
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 2: The hardest guy to rank, for sure, but seven's fair.

793
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:24,840
Speaker 2: But if I compare him in Stafford, I have to

794
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 2: pay Stafford over him.

795
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:27,439
Speaker 3: No, I guess you know what I mean. They're both

796
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 3: all time great. I mean, Rogers had a better career,

797
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 3: but they're both Hall of famers similar age.

798
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 2: You know seven is Deck or six is Dak Prescott.

799
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 3: That's fine with me too. Yeah, I'd probably be seven

800
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 3: or eight for me.

801
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 2: But five Joe Burrow.

802
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 3: Okay, he was second in San Doe's quarterback heers four CJ. Stroude,

803
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 3: He take his seat. I can't put I can't put over,

804
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 3: I can't put stride over Burrow. No, I'm not sure

805
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:53,359
Speaker 3: I could take him over Dak yet either. I mean,

806
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 3: there's just a body of work thing here, you know,

807
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:59,879
Speaker 3: and he's unbelievable. But let me see it this year. Yeah,

808
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 3: I agree, and I think he will prove it. Three

809
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:08,359
Speaker 3: Josh Allen, it'd be two for me. Eighteen interceptions. That's

810
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 3: not gonna get any better this year. It's a ridiculous number.

811
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, to Lamar Jackson. And then one's Patrick Mahomes.

812
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 3: Where would you have Lamar uh Homes ahead of him,

813
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:23,319
Speaker 3: out of Allen ahead of him?

814
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 2: Yeah?

815
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 3: Then I think it's a conversation Burrow versus Lamar.

816
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 2: I think I dig Burrow.

817
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 3: I lean that way too, you know, like Lamar was

818
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 3: just outside the tier one Sando stuff, because we had

819
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,360
Speaker 3: Sando on the podcast, were chatting about and he said,

820
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 3: too many guys just said one of the criteria was

821
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 3: when you have to throw to win, right, that's the

822
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 3: problem that I happened. Yeah, because him Sander and I

823
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 3: went back and forth. I'm like, he'd be in tier

824
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:50,840
Speaker 3: one because he asked me, He's like, would he be

825
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 3: in your tier one?

826
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 2: Man?

827
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 3: I'm like, yes, because I think he's a better thrower

828
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 3: than people think. And yes, in that criteria you mentioned,

829
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 3: he's lacking compared to the top guys, but he's so

830
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 3: strong in the other areas, I would kind of make

831
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 3: a slight exception for him, but tier one. That doesn't

832
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 3: mean I put him out a borough.

833
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 2: They play a very distinct one. Like their average in

834
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 2: the time that he's been their quarterback, their starter, I

835
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 2: would love I'll bet you they're on average, they're up

836
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:23,799
Speaker 2: ten points on average after a quarter or even at

837
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 2: the half. The Niners and Ravens play with insanely. Good

838
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 2: for them, they're really early on.

839
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 3: About absolutely, but when they're behind, it's a different world.

840
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 3: He can't come back, No, it's a different world. It's

841
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 3: a style of that they have to play and they

842
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 3: do it well. And then again, he's.

843
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 2: A good coach. But the other quarterbacks in this in

844
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 2: this neighborhood, especially like Mahomes and now, they it's never over.

845
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, right, right, that's a good way putting it, right,

846
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 3: because yeah, Lamar can still rip off a big run

847
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 3: in the fourth quarter when.

848
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 2: They're down ten, but you're not fearing anything, right.

849
00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 3: Right, and the clock's running and you know it's you're

850
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 3: not gonna come back with a run game, right, you know.

851
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 2: And that's what he I mean, they rely on it.

852
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 3: They do, they do, they do, and they do it

853
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 3: really well. And he is an incredible winning percentage. Not

854
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 3: against Steelers, but he has a great winning percentage. I

855
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 3: don't buy at all, Like he can't win the big one.

856
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 3: Oh I think he win the big one. Yeah, I

857
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 3: don't know. He can come back against the Chiefs.

858
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 2: In the af PROBLEM Championship game when.

859
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,280
Speaker 3: They're down fourteen, where Mahomes could.

860
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 2: Right, you know, and has shown that he can do

861
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 2: those things.

862
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:27,839
Speaker 3: It's crazy to me that the whole world doesn't think

863
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:31,320
Speaker 3: Allen's number two though, Like if Mahomes didn't exist, I

864
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:34,359
Speaker 3: think we'd look at him like he Krypton's the only

865
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,839
Speaker 3: thing that would kryptonite, the only thing. Turnover stuff he's

866
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 3: spread farve like yeah with the turnovers, Yeah that's pretty

867
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 3: good though, well yeah right, but yeah, you know, I

868
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 3: mean if I had anybody but Mahomes.

869
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 2: That's my pick. Well, I just delivered the bad You know.

870
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 2: Those are Nick Schuk's Quarterback Index rankings for week one

871
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 2: prior to Week one. We'll see how those change next week.

872
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 2: I'm sure there'll be some adjustments made coming out of

873
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Speaker 2: Week one, but we're going to get to a break.

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Speaker 3: He is Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lolly. You're listening

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Speaker 3: to the Drive here on the Steelers Audio Network. We'll

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Speaker 3: be back with more right after this.

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Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

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Speaker 1: Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back. I am Dale LOLLI he is the Matt

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Speaker 2: Williamson and Matt. I was doing a little research today

882
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 2: and I figured out that seventeen of the NFL's teams,

883
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 2: so more than half, are going with just two quarterbacks

884
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Speaker 2: heading into the season. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I'm a little surprised too. I mean I forget the

886
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 3: exact numbers by remember two years ago.

887
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,799
Speaker 2: Sixty nine, two years sixty seven. Last year I.

888
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Speaker 3: Didn't know if his sixty seven or sixty eight, and

889
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,240
Speaker 3: it was in the same they were high sixties both years.

890
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Speaker 2: Start games in the last two seasons, sixty eight starting quarterbacks.

891
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean for thirty two teams. And some of

892
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 3: those teams didn't lose their starting quarterback.

893
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 2: Teams last year had their started play all seventeen games.

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Speaker 3: And Denver probably would have right now that I think

895
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Speaker 3: about it, you know, because Wilson was they did it

896
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 3: by choice. They did it by choice.

897
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Speaker 2: Then you had a couple other guys.

898
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Speaker 3: It wasn't a bench.

899
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Speaker 2: As I mentioned, Minshew played in all seventeen games, but

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Speaker 2: he started.

901
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 3: Didn't start them all. But like Homes and al, I mean,

902
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:38,319
Speaker 3: some of the stars that their starters started them all.

903
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,240
Speaker 3: But then there was teams that had four and five

904
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Speaker 3: was five even I think I know that Cleveland had four.

905
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,280
Speaker 3: There were several. I think the Jets had four. Minnesota

906
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 3: think Minnesota had five. They might have I mean after

907
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:52,399
Speaker 3: the Cousin's injury, and that was all the second half

908
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 3: of the year he had hurting we eate. Yeah, that's

909
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 3: surprising to me. I mean, I understand the argument of

910
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 3: our third quarterback really isn't good. You know, it's Clifford

911
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 3: or you know somebody that really can't win with.

912
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Speaker 2: And not Clifford to big red thoal.

913
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you get pull one up from a practice squad.

914
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Speaker 3: Of course, those teams have one or two in the

915
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 3: practice squad. Here's the Danger's a good chance they're going

916
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Speaker 3: to be a starter. Yeah.

917
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 2: The danger that you run by having a guy on

918
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Speaker 2: the practice squad is that somebody else can sign him.

919
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 3: If he's a good quarterback and the other team gets

920
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Speaker 3: hit by injuries, you're gonna lose him.

921
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Speaker 2: And to me, that's the first place teams are gonna

922
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 2: look like the first thing that happened when the brown

923
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Speaker 2: when the Browns released what's his Huntley? Yeah, yeah, he

924
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 2: resigned with the Ravens to their practice squad.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a quarterback. Now he's free.

926
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Speaker 2: He's a quarterback who knows your entire playbook presumably.

927
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Speaker 3: The Ravens or Browns both both.

928
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Speaker 2: But he was just with the Browns the entire offseason.

929
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Speaker 2: Anything new that they were installing this year. Yes, he

930
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 2: now knows like the back of his hand, like the

931
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Speaker 2: back was. He's a quarterback. They know the entire offense.

932
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Speaker 3: In the entire offense, all the checks, the way they

933
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 3: handle protections. If they see this, look at Chuck, Chuck.

934
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Speaker 2: Yeah you know so now he's just you just handed

935
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Speaker 2: it and they play him twice to division rival that

936
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Speaker 2: you played twice.

937
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 3: You spent a lot of time coaching up and paid

938
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Speaker 3: him to do it too.

939
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Speaker 2: To me, that's insane.

940
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:17,439
Speaker 3: See, I thought it was insane that the Browns signed

941
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Speaker 3: him at all. Yeah, because it's so weird to sign

942
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 3: two veterans unless it's a Steeler situation where you had done.

943
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Speaker 3: I mean, we have Watson there and you had a

944
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 3: young guy that's they liked. They signed two veterans like

945
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 3: that was bizarro to begin with. Yeah, I don't know.

946
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Speaker 3: I'm a little shocked that there's half the league.

947
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Speaker 2: I was surprised it was that many. After again, all

948
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Speaker 2: the quarterbacks that have played the last two seasons, I'm like, oh, everybody,

949
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 2: maybe there's ten, and I'm like, wow, this is a bunch.

950
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Speaker 2: Seventeen was surprising to me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I could make the argument, I'm just gonna

952
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 3: bring back the Steelers that I could find a more

953
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 3: useful player than Allen. You know, some special team or

954
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 3: a gun or you know, a return guy whatever, or

955
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 3: line depth or developed somebody like that. And I don't

956
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:02,320
Speaker 3: know that if you threw him on the practice squad,

957
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 3: people be scooping him up left and right, but they

958
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 3: might be in an injury or two, and then you

959
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 3: find someone doesn't know the offense.

960
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,800
Speaker 2: Well, you know the other thing about it is earlier

961
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Speaker 2: this year, the owners voted to allow teams to have

962
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Speaker 2: the third quarterback on the practice squad and bring him

963
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Speaker 2: up as many times as you wanted.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yeah, so he's kind of free. The NFLPA

965
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:26,840
Speaker 3: vetoed that, right, So, no, we're not gonna have special

966
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 3: rules just for one position, right, So you're only allowed

967
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 3: three elevations, so he's just like everybody else. Yeah, right, so.

968
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:36,359
Speaker 2: After that third elevation, he has to stay on your

969
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 2: active roster.

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00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 3: So but he is kind of free on game day,

971
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Speaker 3: like you don't have to make Allen inactive. He's gonna

972
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 3: wear pads in Atlanta, Yeah, you know, because of the

973
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 3: third quarterback third quarterback role, and if you don't have

974
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:49,839
Speaker 3: three quarterbacks, you don't get to use that rule, right, you.

975
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 2: Know, so you're wasting the rule.

976
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 3: Right, We're going to make an exception for the inactives,

977
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:58,359
Speaker 3: but not for the practice squad. And half the team

978
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 3: said that's nice, but no thanks.

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00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't understand.

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00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's hard to find quarterbacks, and it's

981
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 3: fine hard to find three that are deserving of a

982
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:12,919
Speaker 3: roster spot. But at the same time, last two years

983
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:14,919
Speaker 3: of showing us at least to give me a guy

984
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 3: that there's a lot of Allen type level dudes out

985
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 3: there that are smart, they know the offense. By the

986
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 3: time they get thrust in there, you're probably not gonna

987
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 3: win a game with that guy that she's probably an't

988
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:27,320
Speaker 3: gonna win a game with that guy.

989
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,439
Speaker 2: I mean, but we saw the Vikings do it last year. Yeah, yeah,

990
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:32,240
Speaker 2: we saw the Browns do it. We saw the Steelers

991
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 2: do it with their third quarterbrown Yeah.

992
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:36,719
Speaker 3: Right, Steelers are one of the three teams or one

993
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 3: of the three quarterback teams. It's just so rare. And

994
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 3: I know people think it was a success, but to

995
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 3: go grab daubs, coach them up for a day or whatever.

996
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:49,879
Speaker 3: When the Vikings grabbed them and he was okay, he's

997
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 3: also a rocket scientist. He's also extremely right, and the

998
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 3: coach made life easy on him, and then he fell

999
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 3: back to Earth in a hurry. You know, like you

1000
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 3: spent all camp with that third quarterback. You want them right,

1001
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 3: and you might need him, You might need him and

1002
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:05,760
Speaker 3: which is scary.

1003
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 2: You know, that's one of the reasons why the Steelers

1004
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:13,320
Speaker 2: believe organizationally in having three quarterbacks on their roster, because

1005
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 2: you don't want to leave that guy open to go

1006
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 2: sign with Cleveland, for Cincinnati, whoever. You're playing with the.

1007
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 3: Old BULLETI Belichick thing like mcgrab him just for a

1008
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 3: week or two and yeah, tap his mind and you know,

1009
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 3: pay him and then send him on his way and

1010
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 3: cut them because I don't need that information anymore. And

1011
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 3: the Steelers did it pre COVID. You know, when the

1012
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 3: practice squads were much smaller, you could didn't have the

1013
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 3: flexibility with the practice squad. Then you didn't have this

1014
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 3: third quarterback rule back then, and it worked for them.

1015
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 3: You know, if you get down that low, at least

1016
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:42,720
Speaker 3: you have a chance.

1017
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 2: At least you have a guy who's been with you,

1018
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 2: who's been in your system, knows your personnel, knows your offense,

1019
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 2: and you're not just throwing a game away.

1020
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,840
Speaker 3: So this is a somewhat different conversation, but we've all.

1021
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 2: Heard codges for God's sakes, right, right, right.

1022
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 3: But I've heard this for you years too. Like if

1023
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 3: I'm the Chiefs or the Bills, or Cincy or whatever.

1024
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 3: I'm not investing at all in my backup quarterback because

1025
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:11,359
Speaker 3: if Tom Brady gets hurt or Peyton Manny gets hurt

1026
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:13,240
Speaker 3: or Mahomes our season shot anyways.

1027
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:17,280
Speaker 2: I think that's insane. We've seen, right, We've seen teams

1028
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 2: win super Bowls with backup quarterbacks.

1029
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 3: Yeah. As great as Mahomes, he's the only reason the

1030
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 3: Chiefs Hostellar, right, you know, I can go there's several

1031
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 3: instances over the years where backup quarterbacks have come in

1032
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:30,879
Speaker 3: and won the Super Bowl all the time. I mean,

1033
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 3: Wentz was an MVP level guy in Philly and Foles

1034
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 3: held it on the four. Yeah, yeah, I mean it

1035
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:41,280
Speaker 3: gives you a fighting chance. You know, I don't understand

1036
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 3: that logic of if our guy gets hurt, the season

1037
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 3: shot anyway. So I'm not paying a backup at all.

1038
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 2: That's the same mentality that led people to think, well,

1039
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 2: why are the Steelers trading for Minka Fitzpatrick in twenty nineteen. See,

1040
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 2: they're gonna have a top five pick. Yeah yeah, Well no,

1041
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 2: they don't believe that.

1042
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 3: As important as quarterbacks are as great as Ben was

1043
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:01,879
Speaker 3: or Brady or any of them, this is a real

1044
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:04,880
Speaker 3: team game. Yeah, I mean, I'm not saying there's not

1045
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 3: a drop off. There's a massive drop off absolutely, of course.

1046
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 3: I mean they're irreplaceable dudes. But you might be able

1047
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 3: to squeak.

1048
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 2: Out a gameplay and left handed, you know what I mean.

1049
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 2: And maybe it is just a game maybe, and that

1050
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 2: could be the difference between you making the playoffs or not.

1051
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, or you're seven and oh and Mahomes gets hurt

1052
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 3: for three games, it's like, all right, one of them. Yeah,

1053
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 3: we still may be, you know, the number one seed

1054
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 3: in the AFC when he gets back. You know, I

1055
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 3: don't know, I think there's there. I know some gms

1056
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 3: look at the backup quarterback as a starter, you know,

1057
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 3: in terms of you know what, even five million a

1058
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 3: year that's a starting guard, you know what I mean.

1059
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 3: They allocate that as we're going to pay a backup

1060
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 3: quarterback starter money. I mean, it's pretty rare to have

1061
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 3: a guy on his rookie contract that you're comfortable as

1062
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:53,760
Speaker 3: a two because they're not going to probably mentor the starter.

1063
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:57,959
Speaker 2: That's what makes like one of the situations out there Chicago. Yeah,

1064
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 2: Tyson Badging is the backup. Yeah, and he did okay

1065
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 2: last year, but he's a second year player, he started

1066
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 2: like five career games. Now you got him backing up

1067
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:08,840
Speaker 2: the you know, a rookie. That's silly.

1068
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 3: Like I thought they should have grabbed Flacco, you know,

1069
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:15,879
Speaker 3: like I know what, indeed, grab Flacco for that reason too.

1070
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:18,919
Speaker 3: But he just couldn't be any more different than which

1071
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,360
Speaker 3: is just weird. Like I don't understand that style of

1072
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 3: play either. That's unless you're going to bring him in

1073
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 3: like Taysom Hill, which you're not going to do with Flacco.

1074
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 2: Yeah right, yeah, but I just thought that was interesting.

1075
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Speaker 2: Let's get to a break. He talked the Matt Williamson.

1076
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Speaker 2: I'm Dale Lallie. You're listening to the Drive here on

1077
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Speaker 2: the Steelers Audio Network. That's going to do it for

1078
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Speaker 2: our number one of the Drive, Matt and I will

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Speaker 2: be back with our number two right after this