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Speaker 1: This Dan Patra made it to a Friday Tregger Meet Friday.
Speaker 1: But I will warn you I'm not in a good mood.
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Speaker 1: good mood because I get to see the smiling faces
Speaker 1: here of the Dans. We have Whitecastle Hamburgers that we're
Speaker 1: gonna put on the trigger grill a moment later. Yes,
Speaker 1: I got bronch, I got Burgers. I have everything I
Speaker 1: want right here. But I'm in a bad mood, and
Speaker 1: you know, I'm gonna blame MEESPN for my bad mood.
Speaker 1: They have this college basketball Greatest of All Time bracket
Speaker 1: thing that they're doing where they're bringing you know, Jay
Speaker 1: Billis and Dick Vitalel and you know a lot of
Speaker 1: their experts and they're they're telling you who is going
Speaker 1: to be the greatest player of all time as they
Speaker 1: have you know, this elimination here. And I'm watching the
Speaker 1: show last night and I said to Fritzie, get me
Speaker 1: Jay Billis's phone number, and Fritzie thought that I was
Speaker 1: going to try to book Jay Billis for today. I go, no,
Speaker 1: I need his number right now. Yeah, I don't know
Speaker 1: how to take that. He started like angry protic. I
Speaker 1: called Todd and he didn't answer the phone. I was
Speaker 1: that mad. I'm going, do these people even know what
Speaker 1: the hell they're talking about? And why didn't you answer
Speaker 1: the phone? Todd. I was having dinner with the family
Speaker 1: and I'm trying to make a better effort to not
Speaker 1: have the phone in my face like I always do.
Speaker 1: And then you sent me like some kind of hello question,
Speaker 1: mar because I wasn't getting back. I know, I was
Speaker 1: just watching this and I'm going, Okay, I saw every
Speaker 1: buddy play in person except for Bill Russell. Out of
Speaker 1: all the players that they're talking about, he was the
Speaker 1: one guy I think out of that group and I
Speaker 1: think it's thirty two players. And then I start to
Speaker 1: see some opinions here where you know, Seth Greenberg made
Speaker 1: the right call. He says lu Al Sender is the
Speaker 1: best player in college basketball history, which is the right answer.
Speaker 1: Rhees Davis, smart guy, lu Al Sendor over Christian Laytner.
Speaker 1: All right, that's fine. Christian Laytner is one of the
Speaker 1: great players of all time. May not like him, but
Speaker 1: he is. Rebecca Lobo picked Brianna Stewart over Christian Laytner.
Speaker 1: That's fine because Brianna Stewart at Yukon went four for four,
Speaker 1: four titles, and then she was the most outstanding player
Speaker 1: all four years. You can't do any better than that.
Speaker 1: So with just sheer accomplishment, she would be the standard bear. Now,
Speaker 1: Al Sindoor only played three years at UCLA on varsity
Speaker 1: because back then freshman were ineligible, or he would have
Speaker 1: won fourth title because when he came in, his freshman
Speaker 1: team beat the varsity that just won the national championship.
Speaker 1: So Leu Alsendor is the greatest college basketball player of
Speaker 1: all time. Jay Williams, Jay, I love you, but what
Speaker 1: are you thinking? He went with Michael Jordan as the
Speaker 1: greatest college basketball player of all time. Jay, he wasn't
Speaker 1: even the best player of his own team one year.
Speaker 1: It was James Worthy. And if I stopped his career
Speaker 1: after North Carolina, he's keth smart. Look how you're yelling.
Speaker 1: I know, but this is what I was doing last
Speaker 1: night in my basement. I'm going Michael Jordan is not
Speaker 1: anywhere near the greatest college basketball player of all time.
Speaker 1: He was a good college basketball player we didn't know
Speaker 1: anything about. Patrick Ewing is a greater college basketball player.
Speaker 1: A kim Elijahan is a better college basketball player than
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan. Christian Ladner is a better college back. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, Dicky Bee had Brianna Stewart over Patrick Ewing. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's awesome, But look, this is what you want. You
Speaker 1: want people to react, and there's no other sports. And
Speaker 1: I should have I should have stayed watching entertainment tonight.
Speaker 1: Damn you the Mothership. You got me, you got me.
Speaker 1: You're shaking your little fist in there. I was. I
Speaker 1: could see you at home. I was tequila and I
Speaker 1: did my dog, I had the cat was in the basement.
Speaker 1: I had tequila and I had a great cigar. And
Speaker 1: I'm just settling in. You know. I I self quarantine
Speaker 1: in the basement, don't allow anybody in. But I've been
Speaker 1: doing that for a decade now, honey, I'm gonna self quarantine. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you've been doing that for a long time. Maria Taylor
Speaker 1: Diana Terrazzi over Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan shouldn't be in
Speaker 1: the conversation here. ROSSI absolutely, I love to ROSSI. Cheryl
Speaker 1: Miller was impactful. I likened Cheryl Miller to college basketball,
Speaker 1: women's college basketball, what Martina Nervatalova was to women's tennis.
Speaker 1: That you had an athlete in there, Oh my god.
Speaker 1: So I Fritzie reached out and booked Jay Billis. So
Speaker 1: Jay's gonna join us coming up here in a little bit.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I was all fired up with his I
Speaker 1: take it personally. Jerry West is a thirteen seed. Good
Speaker 1: god that one hurt. He lost the national title game
Speaker 1: and was still named the most outstanding player. How freaking
Speaker 1: good he was. Wow. Oscar Roberts, I mean, oh my goodness.
Speaker 1: All right, and I definitely if I was the get
Speaker 1: off my lawn guy last night. So Jay will join us.
Speaker 1: We'll check in with the Angels manager, Joe Madden and
Speaker 1: Dave Roberts, the Dodgers manager a little bit later on.
Speaker 1: They got nothing else to do, so we'll check in
Speaker 1: with them and see what they're doing. Maybe we can
Speaker 1: skype and they can show us around their house or something. Yes,
Speaker 1: are you so upset about this because there is this
Speaker 1: sort of the lack of sports that you've been able
Speaker 1: to watch, and now with all of that energy is
Speaker 1: coming out through this, I think list. Yes, it's been
Speaker 1: it's been a while since I've seen you this passionate
Speaker 1: about something. It's been pretty nice. Yes, And people can
Speaker 1: make fun of us. They can make fun of you,
Speaker 1: I'm sure, even like your kids. But you start messing
Speaker 1: with Jerry West, that's when you slapped the floor. Well,
Speaker 1: And I love I love Bill Walton. Bill Walton is
Speaker 1: one of the greatest players of all college basketball players
Speaker 1: of all time. They did Smirch Meravich did they They
Speaker 1: did Reese Davis. Reese Davis had maribitches back, and I
Speaker 1: appreciated that you have to understand what Maravich was a phenomenon.
Speaker 1: People showed up an sec country to watch basketball. He
Speaker 1: averaged twice what Michael Jordan did. Oh, he didn't make
Speaker 1: the tournament. How many teams made the tournament back then,
Speaker 1: and he was on a bad team that was coached
Speaker 1: by his father. Like, no, they have Ralph Sampson in
Speaker 1: the fourth spot and Pete Maravitch in the thirteen seed.
Speaker 1: That's got to be an after slap in the faith
Speaker 1: of your history, and then Jerry West. So I think
Speaker 1: it's a thirteen seed. Patrick Ewing, if you want to say,
Speaker 1: you know, greatest college basketball player of all time, he's
Speaker 1: in the conversation. Kristen Latner's in the conversation. Michael Jordan
Speaker 1: is not in the conversation. Even as much as I
Speaker 1: love Larry Bird, he's not in the conversation. In my opinion,
Speaker 1: they're great players. I mean Magic Johnson to me, was
Speaker 1: a greater college basketball player than Michael Jordan was. All Right,
Speaker 1: you know, it's interesting too because there's not a lot
Speaker 1: of conversations that you can have regarding basketball and be like,
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan's not good. Well, he's very good, he's not great, right, right, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what I mean. I mean they're throwing in Lenny Bias,
Speaker 1: and Lenny Bias was a wonderful talent. I mean he was.
Speaker 1: He's a remarkable talent. Oh my god. They had Tyler
Speaker 1: hansbro in there. It's just I know he's the old
Speaker 1: time leading score in ACC history. But he wasn't a
Speaker 1: great player. He he accumulated, he compiled, He was a
Speaker 1: very good player. It wasn't one of the old time greats. Yes,
Speaker 1: now you're making me, Matt Dan. You go after psychot
Speaker 1: and left the floor my beer. Oh alrighty, so ja
Speaker 1: Billis will join us. Coming up, we'll come up with
Speaker 1: a poll question here, you like, get in touch with
Speaker 1: the program. You can't all settle down. But I just man,
Speaker 1: I was I was railing and I had to yell
Speaker 1: at somebody and I couldn't. I was yelling at the
Speaker 1: TV last night. So we'll talk to Jay and then
Speaker 1: once we get the burgers and broads on the tragger.
Speaker 1: We got white Castle Hamburgers, So don't that don't be fine?
Speaker 1: And if do you need to eat earlier? Are you
Speaker 1: angry right now? I'm angry. I am angry. I really
Speaker 1: am and you know what's funny about that, too, is
Speaker 1: thinking about you just raging in your basement right where
Speaker 1: you're like, that's I gotta get in touch with Phyllis.
Speaker 1: And that's the one time Todd doesn't have his phone
Speaker 1: on him to get you the number right away. Hello,
Speaker 1: you're gonna get back to me and Jay Bulls number
Speaker 1: while shop still on the air. Todd took ten minutes
Speaker 1: to himself and it just happened to be a vet
Speaker 1: ten minutes. How dare you? How dare you do that? Respond?
Speaker 1: Now you're a family man. Now you're responsible of a
Speaker 1: sudden when you need me, I get lost. Oh, this
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Speaker 1: I gotta agree with Seaton. Your your heart's racing. You're
Speaker 1: breathing heavy. You should get some bratworths in you to
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Speaker 1: I mean I grew up with Whitecastle Hamburgers. You know,
Speaker 1: every time I go to Ohio, I buy a suitcase
Speaker 1: of white Castle Hamburgers. I've never had white Castle Hamburgers
Speaker 1: on the Tregger grill. That could get me out of
Speaker 1: this mood right now. Poll question mclovan, good morning, good morning.
Speaker 1: And by the way, Pete Perevitch average forty points a
Speaker 1: game with no point? Did he ever pass the ball once?
Speaker 1: Then he didn't have anybody to throw it to? Okay,
Speaker 1: all right? Pole question, we're not gonna steal espns? Are
Speaker 1: we in put lou Al sinder versus Patrick Uming or anything?
Speaker 1: Do you want to do that? Is that their topic?
Speaker 1: Or do we use There is no argument on the
Speaker 1: greatest male college basketball player of all time. It's lu
Speaker 1: Al Sindor. There is no argument. No, no Walton, No,
Speaker 1: I love Walton. I'm the president of his fan club.
Speaker 1: Bill would tell you that Luell Sindur was better than him,
Speaker 1: that he would Christian Latner big time, wonderful. In the
Speaker 1: conversation Patrick Ewing the impact that he had and Georgetown
Speaker 1: did you know, but what did he win one title?
Speaker 1: How about a running back pole to get you off
Speaker 1: this time? Do you want to do the old our
Speaker 1: running backs worth anything? Paul? Like, if I gave you,
Speaker 1: would you rather have the best running back or say
Speaker 1: the tenth best wide receiver? Well, I don't know if
Speaker 1: it would be so if you say I can have
Speaker 1: Derreck Henry, right, or I can have a J. Green.
Speaker 1: Oh that's a good one. I didn't even think of
Speaker 1: One't that good? Yeah? He's off of Todd Gurley's value.
Speaker 1: Would you rather have Derrick Henry's already even run down
Speaker 1: after running hard and tennessee, I just start want to
Speaker 1: give you anything longer than five years? That would be
Speaker 1: my motto, That's what I would I would never stray
Speaker 1: from that. If I'm Carolina, I get five great years
Speaker 1: out of Christian McCaffrey, I move on because you know,
Speaker 1: look at remember the artist formerly known as Levion Bell.
Speaker 1: When nobody talks about Levion Bell anymore, it's when you
Speaker 1: get paid, you don't run the same way. Todd Gurley,
Speaker 1: we all knew that was a bad deal. And you
Speaker 1: know the Rams were going to be a mess after
Speaker 1: losing that Super Bowl because they went all in to
Speaker 1: win that Super Bowl and then they're in salary camp. Hell,
Speaker 1: nobody's talking about Sean McVay being a genius anymore, at
Speaker 1: least not lately. You know, they got in Brandon Cook's
Speaker 1: contract and like they they went all in, and now
Speaker 1: they're paying the price for that. And look, if I'm
Speaker 1: a Rams fan, you say, hey, we tried. We got
Speaker 1: to the super Bowl and we missed. Okay, at least
Speaker 1: you try. There are a lot of franchises that don't
Speaker 1: spend money that they're not trying to, you know, win
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl. But yeah, the Todd Todd Gurley, by
Speaker 1: the way, got signed by the Atlanta Falcons. Oh, I
Speaker 1: don't know. You know they're talking about, Oh, he'll be
Speaker 1: a draw because he played at Georgia. I mean, I
Speaker 1: guess people will show up. I mean, if he plays well,
Speaker 1: then he'll be a draw. If he doesn't, I don't
Speaker 1: know if you're gonna show up and go, hey, let's
Speaker 1: get the kids together. We're gonna watch Todd Gurley, you know,
Speaker 1: get forty two yards total today. Yes, mccle i had
Speaker 1: another poet, which super Bowl loser gets back first? The
Speaker 1: Falcons now attack Gurley at the Rams, and I guess
Speaker 1: you might throw the forty nine ers in there, all
Speaker 1: the forty nine Ers. They lost the Forrest Buckner. Every
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, Super Bowl loser Jinks comes into effect. Well,
Speaker 1: I know, but you know a lot of times you
Speaker 1: don't even make the playoffs the next year, which is
Speaker 1: always you know, we had a stretch where that was bizarre.
Speaker 1: The teams that lost the Super Bowl didn't even make
Speaker 1: it into the playoffs. I would say the Niners because
Speaker 1: they still have that core, that's that's still there. You
Speaker 1: wonder what the loss does to them though. You know,
Speaker 1: the Falcons never recovered from Matt loss, and I don't
Speaker 1: think they're going to in the Matt Ryan era. But
Speaker 1: in the rams Seattle's still going to be good because
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson is there, and the Niners are going to
Speaker 1: be good as well. Arizona is getting more competitive now
Speaker 1: you add DeAndre Hopkins. Tom Brady has officially signed. He
Speaker 1: passed his physical. He has signed with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
Speaker 1: He posted a picture of him signing his contract, passed
Speaker 1: his physical. He had the following to say, excited, humble,
Speaker 1: and hungry. If there is one thing I've learned about football,
Speaker 1: it's that nobody cares what you did last year or
Speaker 1: the year before that. You earn the trust in respect
Speaker 1: of those around through your commitment every single day. I'm
Speaker 1: starting a new football journey and thankful for the Buccaneers
Speaker 1: for giving me an opportunity to do what I love.
Speaker 1: I look forward to meeting all my new teammates and
Speaker 1: coaches and proving to them that they can believe and
Speaker 1: trust in me. I have always believe that well done
Speaker 1: is better than well said. So I'm going to not
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna not gonna say much more. Huh So,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna not gonna say much more. I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: get to work. Hashtag year one exclamation point. All right,
Speaker 1: we're ready to go fired up for Tommy. Now we
Speaker 1: just bring in Julian Edelman and here we go. That
Speaker 1: that kind of accelerated quickly. That got out of him quickly,
Speaker 1: where Dion Sanders said, it's like peanut butter and jelly.
Speaker 1: You gotta have, you know, Tom and Edelman together, And
Speaker 1: we brought it up yesterday like who's most likely to
Speaker 1: join him. Bruce Arians is on record as saying we're
Speaker 1: not doing the Antonio Brown thing, which is the right
Speaker 1: thing to say. Don't add any drama here, reduce your drama.
Speaker 1: You bring in Brady. You're gonna have a completely different
Speaker 1: locker room now, and you're gonna have a quarterback who
Speaker 1: has accountability here. And these younger receivers, all those players.
Speaker 1: I mean, these guys haven't won anything. They're gonna be
Speaker 1: around Brady. If I'm Brady, I bring in my Super
Speaker 1: Bowl rings and just say, hey, this is what our
Speaker 1: goal is. That's what we want. I like how Brady says,
Speaker 1: nobody cares what you did last year or the year
Speaker 1: before that is that? Is that a shot at the
Speaker 1: Patriots there you earn the trust in respect to those
Speaker 1: around you through commitment every single day. Yeah. Yeah, if
Speaker 1: there's one thing I learned about nobody cares respect anything, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I will liken it could be. It could be a
Speaker 1: little jab there at Belichick. Nobody appreciates what you did
Speaker 1: last year, that's for sure. Yeah. I'm on the Buccaneer's website.
Speaker 1: Tom Brady is a Buccaneer. Welcome to Tampa Bay. Pre
Speaker 1: order his jersey now. They have a jersey, a white jersey.
Speaker 1: Brady numbers zero row and then it says astress image
Speaker 1: a representation only. Final product would include name, number and
Speaker 1: team logo. So they don't know. They don't have a
Speaker 1: number for him yet. Well, they haven't talked to Chris
Speaker 1: Godwin yet. Yeah, somebody better talk to Chris quickly. So
Speaker 1: TV twelve gets number twelve. What's the poll question we're
Speaker 1: gonna go with, mclovin. I think we should go with
Speaker 1: a running back Todd Gurley Pole. Basically, would you would
Speaker 1: you want the best running back or would you want
Speaker 1: a next level below wide receiver, because that's what teams
Speaker 1: are debating right now. Money Wise, it seems like the
Speaker 1: wide receiver would win that Pole. But what running back
Speaker 1: do you want right now? I mean, that's the point.
Speaker 1: I mean, Christian McCaffrey. I get that because he's given
Speaker 1: you a thousand rushing and a thousand receiving. You know,
Speaker 1: that's a great weapon to have. I just don't want
Speaker 1: to pay you your second contract. Yeah, mclovin. Another poll
Speaker 1: question option, do you worry about getting a backup quarterback
Speaker 1: that's too good like Jameis Winston? If you Toddson around
Speaker 1: story that the Redskins might look at Jamis to back
Speaker 1: up Dwayne Haskins, is that a kind of setup that
Speaker 1: you want as a team. Well, you have the situation
Speaker 1: with Philadelphia with Nick Bowles and Carson Wentz, and then
Speaker 1: we realized Nick Foles could be on the same same
Speaker 1: level as Carson Wentz at least for a couple of
Speaker 1: big games. It worked out well. They want a super Bowl,
Speaker 1: but you know, Washington's not winning anything anytime. Stone. I
Speaker 1: just don't know what Washington's commit I don't know what
Speaker 1: Ron Rivera's commitment is to Dwayne Haskins. That would be
Speaker 1: the big curiosity. And does he want to bring in
Speaker 1: Cam Newton? Because if he doesn't bring in Cam Newton,
Speaker 1: what's that say about Cam Newton if his coach, his
Speaker 1: only coach that he had in the pros, doesn't want
Speaker 1: to bring him in. And Jamis, you know, is going
Speaker 1: to be a backup quarterback someplace, and so is Cam Newton,
Speaker 1: and probably so is Andy Dalton here and I think
Speaker 1: that'll be those will be interesting storylines as we go
Speaker 1: into the draft. Steelers also a team, according to USA Today,
Speaker 1: interested in Jameis Winston is a backup. Don't they have enough?
Speaker 1: They got like Duck and they got Duck Duck Goose,
Speaker 1: and then they got Mason, Rudolf or Rudolf Mason, and
Speaker 1: then you got Roth. I mean, what a mess? Now
Speaker 1: you get bringing Jamis Winston? All right, all right, I'm
Speaker 1: in a better mood. I think I'm getting it well.
Speaker 1: Now Bills is going to join us. So I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be angry at Billis, but I think he's I think
Speaker 1: he understands where my pain is coming from today, my
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Speaker 1: Polly and I were working on this one. Would you
Speaker 1: rather have Christian Layner's career top five player of all
Speaker 1: time in college or we're gonna say Dominique Wilkins. Great
Speaker 1: NBA career but not a notable college career, although I'm
Speaker 1: sure he was awesome, right, run that by me again.
Speaker 1: Christian Layner his career top five player of all time
Speaker 1: in college, but not much in the pros or Dominique Wilkins,
Speaker 1: who had a great NBA career but not a notable
Speaker 1: college career. I would take Laytner's career because Laterners still
Speaker 1: played I think fifteen years in the NBA, and he
Speaker 1: made one All Star team, made a lot of money,
Speaker 1: he was on the Dream Team, got a gold medal,
Speaker 1: and he's on you know, he's one of the top
Speaker 1: five greatest college basketball players of all time. So I
Speaker 1: would say Christian Layner, Yeah, I'm the club. If I
Speaker 1: gave you James Worthy. That was another name. Too good
Speaker 1: in college, yeah, and too good in the pros. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Worthy was great. Like there was a year where Worthy
Speaker 1: was the best player on North Carolina, not Michael Jordan.
Speaker 1: That's why Michael Jordan's shouldn't. He's a He was a
Speaker 1: player of the Year, I know that, and he hit
Speaker 1: a shot to win a national title. But Jordan wasn't
Speaker 1: Air Jordan. He was Mike Jordan back then and then
Speaker 1: he became this phenomena. But you know, we're factoring in
Speaker 1: what he did in his NBA career. Bill Russell had
Speaker 1: a better college career than Michael j There's so many
Speaker 1: players that had better careers than Jordan. In college. Yeah, Paul,
Speaker 1: you keep doing this. We're not gonna get Michael Jordans.
Speaker 1: This man. Patrick Ewing was a better player, more accomplished.
Speaker 1: Bill Russell was a team Elijah on was. So Fritzie's
Speaker 1: getting Jake Billish here. I'm looking at some of the
Speaker 1: other ones. Why is Trey Young in here? Trey Young
Speaker 1: is a thirteen seed. Trey Young played one year, he
Speaker 1: had fourteen or fifteen great games. And I love Trey Young.
Speaker 1: He's not one of the greatest college basketball players. Pete
Speaker 1: Marabitch is thirteen. Trey Young is thirteen, thirteenth seed. I
Speaker 1: believe that Jerry West is a thirteen seed. Good God, Hell, yes, point,
Speaker 1: I didn't see the whole list yet. But if Trey
Speaker 1: Young is a thirteen seed, where is Chris Jackson from
Speaker 1: LSUS moved up to a rove he did two years
Speaker 1: averaging thirty eight. No, he's in there. Okay, let me see.
Speaker 1: I don't know how, probably not too too high, but yeah,
Speaker 1: got me in the Mexo. Yeah, Chris Jackson was he
Speaker 1: had fifteen seed. Okay, so that doesn't make sense to me. No,
Speaker 1: Chris Jackson had a better college career than Trey Young.
Speaker 1: Did Jay Villas with us your Jay? Why am I
Speaker 1: so upset? Probably because there's something else to that is
Speaker 1: this tributal, But I was. I was equally as upset
Speaker 1: as you when I saw the bracket and tried to
Speaker 1: change it, but to no avail. All right, I was
Speaker 1: that angry. I don't know if that was live last night,
Speaker 1: but I'm texting you that I was. I was. I
Speaker 1: wanted to yell at somebody, and uh so I was
Speaker 1: yelling at you. So if you were busy working and
Speaker 1: I interrupted you, I apologize for being unprofessional. Well, that
Speaker 1: actually wasn't live. It was live on a Tuesday night,
Speaker 1: or it was supposed to be live, and then Tom
Speaker 1: Brady I think hiccupped or something, and it was five
Speaker 1: hours of coverage five because there was there was a
Speaker 1: hint he was going to the bucket air or so
Speaker 1: we had to tape it. We taped it, you know,
Speaker 1: you know how that goes down. We taped it as
Speaker 1: if it was live, and the taping as if it
Speaker 1: was live took longer than if it was live. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've been there for okay, So explain how this came
Speaker 1: about and the number of players, you know, how did
Speaker 1: you come up with that that number. Well, it came
Speaker 1: about the lack of I assume the lack of programming
Speaker 1: because of the coronavirus pandemic. So I was told, Hey,
Speaker 1: we're going to do this show. Would you be available, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, basically from six to nine on two this
Speaker 1: So of course I'm available absolutely, But I don't know
Speaker 1: how they came up with it. When I saw the bracket,
Speaker 1: I had said, look, you know, so the guys got
Speaker 1: to be moved up here, moved down? What about what
Speaker 1: about so and so? How come this players not on it?
Speaker 1: And I didn't have any any saying that. I think
Speaker 1: they made a couple of adjustments, but I don't even
Speaker 1: know who the they is. I just felt with my
Speaker 1: producer and it was a good idea. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: a really neat thing and it's a good discussion point,
Speaker 1: a good argument. But um but to me, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't want to you know, jump ahead, But to me,
Speaker 1: the whole thing begins and ends with Kareem. Yes, I
Speaker 1: mean after after we're like, what are we talking about?
Speaker 1: Kareem was the greatest player ever. It's not it's not
Speaker 1: a discussion point, and we can we can talk about
Speaker 1: the rest of them, but you know, we know who's
Speaker 1: gonna win before we start. It's Kareem Yeah, and rightfully.
Speaker 1: So now if I take away, now we have an
Speaker 1: interesting discussion. I'm amazed that you had. I mean, Jay
Speaker 1: Williams should know better. He had Michael Jordan as the
Speaker 1: best college player of all time. Yeah, he handled it
Speaker 1: a little bit differently if I understood him right. He
Speaker 1: was talking about it that we're a one on one game,
Speaker 1: which I missed very much. Remember when CBS had during halftimes,
Speaker 1: they had one on one and worst competitions among the
Speaker 1: NBA players. Um, so he added as kind of someone
Speaker 1: on one competition, which I none of us had a
Speaker 1: chance to talk beforehand. That I didn't get that, but
Speaker 1: and I didn't get some of the other stuff, like
Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember what I did, But
Speaker 1: my thing was I didn't care where the the seatings were.
Speaker 1: And then I went through the brackensaid we'll wait a minute,
Speaker 1: like this is a miss seating, so this guy's gonna win.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna move this one on and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: And mine was based on great who's the who's the
Speaker 1: greater player? And and so mine was like Cheryl Miller
Speaker 1: was the greatest women's player versus the second greatest men's player.
Speaker 1: I advanced Cheryl Miller to the final and it was Kareem. Um,
Speaker 1: But you know, so I went off great. Other people
Speaker 1: voted differently, or say, you know, four championships versus if
Speaker 1: Brianna Stewart at four, and I'm like, well, I think
Speaker 1: if Kareem had played, he would have got four. Like
Speaker 1: that guy was. He was the game. And Seth Greeberg
Speaker 1: made the point they changed the rules for Kareem when
Speaker 1: he was in college. You know they're transcendent. Doesn't even
Speaker 1: Labron did not approach how good Kareem was as far
Speaker 1: as being a high school player, going to college, what
Speaker 1: he did in college, all that stuff. It was a
Speaker 1: different deal. Like he was. He was game changing in
Speaker 1: every way and above everyone that had played. I mean,
Speaker 1: and it spunds me, Dan if people don't seem to
Speaker 1: remember how great he was. And it's not it's not
Speaker 1: like I'm fine, let's let's argue about m J versus Kareem,
Speaker 1: but it's m only and then everybody else will argue
Speaker 1: about a little bit later. But but it's it's cosed too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I and I liken Cheryl Miller to women's college basketball
Speaker 1: like I do Martin on their Nevertilova to women's tennis.
Speaker 1: They were different. They were athletes in there, and and
Speaker 1: Cheryl was you know, you watched Cheryl like I watched
Speaker 1: the Women of Troy again. I've watched that documentary twice now,
Speaker 1: just because that was a big deal at the time
Speaker 1: when they knocked off Louisiana Tech, and and Cheryl scored
Speaker 1: one hundred points in a game in high school. She
Speaker 1: was She was a difference maker. If you want to
Speaker 1: put Brianna Stewart as the greatest women's college basketball player
Speaker 1: of all time, I have no problem with that. You
Speaker 1: can't do any better than she did. You win four
Speaker 1: titles and you're, you know, four times the most outstanding player.
Speaker 1: Diana Razzi, I have no problem with that if you
Speaker 1: want to put her in there as well. But the
Speaker 1: greatest player of all time is lu Elsendor. What drove
Speaker 1: me crazy is why is Trey Young in there. He's
Speaker 1: not one of the great college basketball players. He was
Speaker 1: there for one year. Why is uh God? I got
Speaker 1: Pete Maravich at thirteen. I got Jerry West at thirteen.
Speaker 1: What what's going on here? I don't know. I don't
Speaker 1: know whether it was it was frankly because it wanted
Speaker 1: to television show. And I'm just speculating because I haven't
Speaker 1: talked to anybody about this. There are other more important
Speaker 1: things that I'm totally no you are too. But but
Speaker 1: but my guess is that it is just a guess
Speaker 1: is that there were more younger people involved in older people,
Speaker 1: and they wanted they wanted a cross section where you
Speaker 1: did have younger players representative. Because I didn't think Kevin
Speaker 1: Durant should have been a high up. He won one
Speaker 1: tournament game. And the only thing, the only thing I
Speaker 1: would say about Meravich, like I'm with everybody that Merevich
Speaker 1: should not have been a thirteen or whatever he was,
Speaker 1: He should have been way higher. But Merevitch never played
Speaker 1: in an NCAA tournament game. Yeah, bad team though, I
Speaker 1: mean he was the only guy on his team in
Speaker 1: the in the you know, the tournament wasn't as big
Speaker 1: as it. Everybody makes the tournament, now, I get it.
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not. I'm not saying he shouldn't have
Speaker 1: been he shouldn't be revered as as one of the
Speaker 1: greatest of all time. But but I don't want to
Speaker 1: go too far in the other direction either, because there
Speaker 1: are other guys like Elgin Baylor should have been in
Speaker 1: bad and yeah, Elgin Baylor didn't any teammates either, and uh,
Speaker 1: and it's not like Oscar Robertson played with a whole
Speaker 1: bunch of superstars. Um, you know, played with good players.
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to cast his furtages on anybody. But
Speaker 1: other players were able to get their teams. But two
Speaker 1: more wins and and Merevich didn't their their teams didn't win.
Speaker 1: Not not only didn't the tournament, they didn't win at
Speaker 1: a high level. He was a great player. He was
Speaker 1: no question, one of the greatest ever. I'm not arguing that.
Speaker 1: But the idea that that he should have been up
Speaker 1: with Kareem and all the other no, no, no, I
Speaker 1: think one of her Parsonal championships here, Like some people
Speaker 1: are Parsonalt saying, okay, well, this guy won this many championships.
Speaker 1: He only won this minute. Okay, Merrivish didn't even play
Speaker 1: in the tournament, and everybody saying we should be up here.
Speaker 1: I'm like, look, I'm not arguing he shouldn't be. But
Speaker 1: I'm like, let let's have we can't talk out the
Speaker 1: both sides of our mouths and all this stuff. I
Speaker 1: would take Jay Williams out of the sixth spot and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, put Pete Merivitch there. I would take Jay
Speaker 1: out of the entire thing after he picked Michael Jordan
Speaker 1: is the best college basketball player of all time. I
Speaker 1: just slapped the floor. That's what I just did, Jay,
Speaker 1: I just slapped the floor. The problem that Jay had
Speaker 1: was he was the sixth seed. He ran into another
Speaker 1: misseated player at David Propison and David Robinson, as you remember,
Speaker 1: took Navy to the Elite eight, and we're not for
Speaker 1: the opposing center he ran into, they could have gone
Speaker 1: all the way. Yeah, that's a great point. Uh you didn't,
Speaker 1: You didn't. You didn't fight on that one. No, No,
Speaker 1: I'm not. I agree with David Robinson when you were
Speaker 1: saying how he took an you know, he took Navy
Speaker 1: to the elite eight. I mean that's pretty pretty amazing,
Speaker 1: pretty amazing for the team and the opposing center he
Speaker 1: ran into. I mean you and you shut him down exactly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was the Dad dockets and later is in the
Speaker 1: conversation as well. I have no problem with that. Um,
Speaker 1: but man I did whatever, all right? I know. Let
Speaker 1: me tell you the Lateener on Late I was, I
Speaker 1: was a grad assistant when Later was playing maybe the
Speaker 1: greatest competitor I've ever seen. I mean unbelievable. The guy
Speaker 1: was an unbelievable athlete. He could do everything and has
Speaker 1: had he at equally a topic careers, maybe around a
Speaker 1: steward if you want to make sort of that argument. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but he like what would you do? Who is a
Speaker 1: better player? Between Later and Danny Manning? That was a
Speaker 1: tough one for me. Just better player. I'm not talking
Speaker 1: about you know how many rings was have accomplished, because
Speaker 1: Danny's was damn close. But that was a hard one.
Speaker 1: Like the one eight matchup in the second round, You're going,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure who's a better player. Danny Manning had
Speaker 1: less to work with and that was one of the
Speaker 1: great tournament runs in history with Danny and the miracles
Speaker 1: and what they did in Kansas City. Um, you know it,
Speaker 1: Just think late I would take three over three thousand points,
Speaker 1: Like you know, he had a ridiculous He's at the
Speaker 1: top of every list and that that's where the Big
Speaker 1: Twelve they you know, these Big twelve records they talk
Speaker 1: about that doesn't include the Big Eight, like so all
Speaker 1: the guys like Trey Young's records and all that stuff,
Speaker 1: that doesn't include anything that happened like Wayman Tisdale or
Speaker 1: Danny Manning or all those guys that played in the
Speaker 1: Big Eight. That doesn't even count with the Big Twelve.
Speaker 1: They didn't even bring those records with them. It's crazy.
Speaker 1: I gotta go back to ESPN. I'm announcing now that
Speaker 1: I'm going back to ESPN, So I gotta set some
Speaker 1: stuff straight up there. I'll do it, Jay, I'm with you.
Speaker 1: I'll storm the front door with it, just like I'm
Speaker 1: ready the two of us. Can you imagine how what
Speaker 1: a wonderful rest of that would be to have us
Speaker 1: go in and argue about something as trivial as this. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm you'd be mister inside. I'd be mister Outside. That
Speaker 1: would be the show doctor after Glen Davis. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: well that was my nickname in high school. I was
Speaker 1: mister Outside. That was just your social nickname. No, No,
Speaker 1: I didn't go I didn't go outside my social life,
Speaker 1: but I did with when I was taking jumpers. I
Speaker 1: was mister outside, just letting you know. I thought you
Speaker 1: I thought you were talking about being like the boy
Speaker 1: in the Plastic Bubble special Relevance Now, Jay show, I remember,
Speaker 1: I thought you were on my side here. That was
Speaker 1: John Travolta, wasn't it John Travolta? And the the song
Speaker 1: was written by Paul Williams. Oh god, all right, go
Speaker 1: back to doing whatever you were doing, and thanks for
Speaker 1: joining us. Yeah, I'm watching a better call, Saul. I'm
Speaker 1: okay through the first season and fantastic by the way,
Speaker 1: Yeah it is. It's it's well done. Thank you, Jay.
Speaker 1: All right, brother, and that's Jay billis well good. I
Speaker 1: feel better that I didn't interrupt him working last night,
Speaker 1: because if I could have somehow called into the show,
Speaker 1: I would have called into the show. Yes, Paul, but
Speaker 1: you're not opposed to doing that, Like if Reggie Miller
Speaker 1: is calling an NBA game at it could be Lakers
Speaker 1: versus the Warriors or something or good a good game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you'll you'll text a mid sentence. Yes, yes I will.
Speaker 1: And it's so unprofessional, but yeah, I do that, Paulie,
Speaker 1: says a surprise caller. Next segment. All I've been told
Speaker 1: I don't even know, is someone needs to take a
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Speaker 1: at Jeff Darlington. Oh okay, little victory lab for Jeff Darlington,
Speaker 1: the ESPN NFL reporter who told us a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks ago that Tom was going to be leaving. He
Speaker 1: would be shocked if he stayed. And also he said, Dan,
Speaker 1: don't rule out the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. As I laughed
Speaker 1: and scoffed, and Paulie put up five hundred dollar bed
Speaker 1: for Jeff Darlington for the Jimmy V Foundation. I believe
Speaker 1: and Jeff joining us now, congratulations Jeff. Yes, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not calling for a victory lab. Jeff calling us
Speaker 1: part of the donations department for the d Foundation, letting
Speaker 1: you know that we take all dat your credit cards
Speaker 1: Apple pay. Yes, Jeff, can I venmo you. I'm ready
Speaker 1: to go. I'm ready to help the cause. I don't
Speaker 1: know that. So when did you know it that he
Speaker 1: wasn't coming back. Yeah, I mean when I said that,
Speaker 1: I would be shocked. I mean, look, here's the thing.
Speaker 1: I was coming from a very sincere place when I
Speaker 1: said that, and when the context that I had added
Speaker 1: on the show is that there are still people around
Speaker 1: Tom though that think that he if he were to
Speaker 1: go into Bill Belichick's office and Belichick laid out this
Speaker 1: master plan that they wouldn't surprise despite the fact that
Speaker 1: Brady himself is the one he's saying I'm not going back. So, um,
Speaker 1: I lay at that context because you know, look, I
Speaker 1: think we were all in the same kind of level
Speaker 1: of disbelief that Tom would leave the Patriots. But but
Speaker 1: quite frankly, when even though its close to him, aren't
Speaker 1: necessarily believing him, it's tough to just sit there and
Speaker 1: say he's not going back. But you know, at that point,
Speaker 1: after kind of hearing it for longer than a month
Speaker 1: that he wasn't going back, I was finally to the
Speaker 1: point where, you know, what, he's not going back. What
Speaker 1: do you think the main like, if you were going
Speaker 1: to trying to pin down the one reason why he
Speaker 1: wasn't going back, Uh, fun. You want to have fun,
Speaker 1: and that can be a matter of running away from
Speaker 1: something that was no longer necessarily fun and maybe chasing
Speaker 1: something that that would be. He's not ready to retire
Speaker 1: from football. Yes, the relationship between he and Bill Belichick
Speaker 1: was strained, but I don't think that it's necessarily critical
Speaker 1: to say that that was the entire reason. It was
Speaker 1: also just about a new challenge and kind of the
Speaker 1: invigorating himself, and I think it can be both, to
Speaker 1: be honest, do you think Edelman is in Tampa next year?
Speaker 1: I don't think so. Like, I can't imagine Bill Belichick
Speaker 1: be like, yeah, let me send some pieces to allow
Speaker 1: Tom really to win a Super Bowl and make me
Speaker 1: look so stupid. I just don't. I mean, look at that,
Speaker 1: totally mean just kind of speculating, But why would you
Speaker 1: do that. I'm right there with you unless he goes
Speaker 1: that guy's going to be thirty four and he's been
Speaker 1: banged up. Maybe I can get something and maybe they'll
Speaker 1: take him off my hands as well. Yeah, yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 1: I mean, like you kind of go across the board
Speaker 1: with that, Like, like Dronkowski is still still property of
Speaker 1: the of the Patriots, Like, why wouldn't the Bucks go
Speaker 1: try to offer something for that too? But but but
Speaker 1: to that point, like I just can't see Belichick being like, yeah,
Speaker 1: let me go ahead and help out this cause this
Speaker 1: seems like a really smart thing for me to do.
Speaker 1: Final thirty seconds. Who do you think the quarterback is
Speaker 1: going to be in New England? I actually I could
Speaker 1: see that I'm trying to make Stidham work. I know
Speaker 1: that's again probably pretty surprising, but um, I could see
Speaker 1: them really feeling like they're going to go in there
Speaker 1: and prove their point with Stidham. So you know, you know,
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton certainly one of the products out there, but
Speaker 1: the possibilities, but I think this is a team that
Speaker 1: will look towards Fidham and try to give him a chance. Yeah, PAULI, Jeff,
Speaker 1: you want to go double or nothing on some awesome
Speaker 1: rules football tonight. Thank you, Jeff, well done. Let me safe.
Speaker 1: That's Jeff Darlington, yes kid. You know it stayed with
Speaker 1: me when he said don't rule out Tampa because you know,
Speaker 1: initially I thought, okay, there's I was told three teams,
Speaker 1: so New England and then I figured it was going
Speaker 1: to be the Chargers, and I didn't know that it
Speaker 1: was going to be Tampa. But he was plugged into
Speaker 1: Brady's side of the equation here. And you know what
Speaker 1: was brought up to me a couple of times by
Speaker 1: my source was fun. Tom wanted to have fun and
Speaker 1: he wasn't going to have fun in New England. Now
Speaker 1: is that the overriding factor here? Probably not, but I
Speaker 1: think it contributed to this. Hey, I want to do this.
Speaker 1: I want to enjoy this. My kids get to see
Speaker 1: me play. You know, this should be fun. My legacy
Speaker 1: is set. Let's you know I'm gonna get paid. It's
Speaker 1: a new experience. I'm in the NFC. I've got some
Speaker 1: weapons here. It'll be fun to be with Bruce arians.
Speaker 1: Maybe we have some magic here. Maybe we do something
Speaker 1: and he's gonna do it for two years. I get
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