WEBVTT - Hour 1 - Jay Bilas (03-20-20)

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<v Speaker 1>This Dan Patra made it to a Friday Tregger Meet Friday.

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<v Speaker 1>But I will warn you I'm not in a good mood.

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<v Speaker 1>And I have no reason to not be in a

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<v Speaker 1>good mood because I get to see the smiling faces

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<v Speaker 1>here of the Dans. We have Whitecastle Hamburgers that we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna put on the trigger grill a moment later. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I got bronch, I got Burgers. I have everything I

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<v Speaker 1>want right here. But I'm in a bad mood, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm gonna blame MEESPN for my bad mood.

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<v Speaker 1>They have this college basketball Greatest of All Time bracket

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<v Speaker 1>thing that they're doing where they're bringing you know, Jay

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<v Speaker 1>Billis and Dick Vitalel and you know a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>their experts and they're they're telling you who is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be the greatest player of all time as they

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<v Speaker 1>have you know, this elimination here. And I'm watching the

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<v Speaker 1>show last night and I said to Fritzie, get me

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<v Speaker 1>Jay Billis's phone number, and Fritzie thought that I was

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<v Speaker 1>going to try to book Jay Billis for today. I go, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I need his number right now. Yeah, I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>how to take that. He started like angry protic. I

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<v Speaker 1>called Todd and he didn't answer the phone. I was

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<v Speaker 1>that mad. I'm going, do these people even know what

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<v Speaker 1>the hell they're talking about? And why didn't you answer

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<v Speaker 1>the phone? Todd. I was having dinner with the family

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm trying to make a better effort to not

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<v Speaker 1>have the phone in my face like I always do.

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<v Speaker 1>And then you sent me like some kind of hello question,

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<v Speaker 1>mar because I wasn't getting back. I know, I was

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<v Speaker 1>just watching this and I'm going, Okay, I saw every

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<v Speaker 1>buddy play in person except for Bill Russell. Out of

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<v Speaker 1>all the players that they're talking about, he was the

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<v Speaker 1>one guy I think out of that group and I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's thirty two players. And then I start to

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<v Speaker 1>see some opinions here where you know, Seth Greenberg made

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<v Speaker 1>the right call. He says lu Al Sender is the

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<v Speaker 1>best player in college basketball history, which is the right answer.

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<v Speaker 1>Rhees Davis, smart guy, lu Al Sendor over Christian Laytner.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, that's fine. Christian Laytner is one of the

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<v Speaker 1>great players of all time. May not like him, but

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<v Speaker 1>he is. Rebecca Lobo picked Brianna Stewart over Christian Laytner.

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<v Speaker 1>That's fine because Brianna Stewart at Yukon went four for four,

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<v Speaker 1>four titles, and then she was the most outstanding player

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<v Speaker 1>all four years. You can't do any better than that.

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<v Speaker 1>So with just sheer accomplishment, she would be the standard bear. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>Al Sindoor only played three years at UCLA on varsity

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<v Speaker 1>because back then freshman were ineligible, or he would have

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<v Speaker 1>won fourth title because when he came in, his freshman

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<v Speaker 1>team beat the varsity that just won the national championship.

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<v Speaker 1>So Leu Alsendor is the greatest college basketball player of

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<v Speaker 1>all time. Jay Williams, Jay, I love you, but what

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<v Speaker 1>are you thinking? He went with Michael Jordan as the

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<v Speaker 1>greatest college basketball player of all time. Jay, he wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>even the best player of his own team one year.

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<v Speaker 1>It was James Worthy. And if I stopped his career

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<v Speaker 1>after North Carolina, he's keth smart. Look how you're yelling.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, but this is what I was doing last

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<v Speaker 1>night in my basement. I'm going Michael Jordan is not

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<v Speaker 1>anywhere near the greatest college basketball player of all time.

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<v Speaker 1>He was a good college basketball player we didn't know

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<v Speaker 1>anything about. Patrick Ewing is a greater college basketball player.

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<v Speaker 1>A kim Elijahan is a better college basketball player than

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<v Speaker 1>Michael Jordan. Christian Ladner is a better college back. Oh

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<v Speaker 1>my god, Dicky Bee had Brianna Stewart over Patrick Ewing. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>that's awesome, But look, this is what you want. You

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<v Speaker 1>want people to react, and there's no other sports. And

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<v Speaker 1>I should have I should have stayed watching entertainment tonight.

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<v Speaker 1>Damn you the Mothership. You got me, you got me.

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<v Speaker 1>You're shaking your little fist in there. I was. I

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<v Speaker 1>could see you at home. I was tequila and I

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<v Speaker 1>did my dog, I had the cat was in the basement.

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<v Speaker 1>I had tequila and I had a great cigar. And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just settling in. You know. I I self quarantine

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<v Speaker 1>in the basement, don't allow anybody in. But I've been

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<v Speaker 1>doing that for a decade now, honey, I'm gonna self quarantine. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you've been doing that for a long time. Maria Taylor

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<v Speaker 1>Diana Terrazzi over Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan shouldn't be in

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<v Speaker 1>the conversation here. ROSSI absolutely, I love to ROSSI. Cheryl

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<v Speaker 1>Miller was impactful. I likened Cheryl Miller to college basketball,

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<v Speaker 1>women's college basketball, what Martina Nervatalova was to women's tennis.

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<v Speaker 1>That you had an athlete in there, Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 1>So I Fritzie reached out and booked Jay Billis. So

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<v Speaker 1>Jay's gonna join us coming up here in a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I was all fired up with his I

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<v Speaker 1>take it personally. Jerry West is a thirteen seed. Good

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<v Speaker 1>god that one hurt. He lost the national title game

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<v Speaker 1>and was still named the most outstanding player. How freaking

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<v Speaker 1>good he was. Wow. Oscar Roberts, I mean, oh my goodness.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, and I definitely if I was the get

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<v Speaker 1>off my lawn guy last night. So Jay will join us.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll check in with the Angels manager, Joe Madden and

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<v Speaker 1>Dave Roberts, the Dodgers manager a little bit later on.

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<v Speaker 1>They got nothing else to do, so we'll check in

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<v Speaker 1>with them and see what they're doing. Maybe we can

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<v Speaker 1>skype and they can show us around their house or something. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>are you so upset about this because there is this

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<v Speaker 1>sort of the lack of sports that you've been able

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<v Speaker 1>to watch, and now with all of that energy is

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<v Speaker 1>coming out through this, I think list. Yes, it's been

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<v Speaker 1>it's been a while since I've seen you this passionate

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<v Speaker 1>about something. It's been pretty nice. Yes, And people can

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<v Speaker 1>make fun of us. They can make fun of you,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure, even like your kids. But you start messing

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<v Speaker 1>with Jerry West, that's when you slapped the floor. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>And I love I love Bill Walton. Bill Walton is

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<v Speaker 1>one of the greatest players of all college basketball players

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<v Speaker 1>of all time. They did Smirch Meravich did they They

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<v Speaker 1>did Reese Davis. Reese Davis had maribitches back, and I

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<v Speaker 1>appreciated that you have to understand what Maravich was a phenomenon.

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<v Speaker 1>People showed up an sec country to watch basketball. He

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<v Speaker 1>averaged twice what Michael Jordan did. Oh, he didn't make

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<v Speaker 1>the tournament. How many teams made the tournament back then,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was on a bad team that was coached

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<v Speaker 1>by his father. Like, no, they have Ralph Sampson in

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<v Speaker 1>the fourth spot and Pete Maravitch in the thirteen seed.

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<v Speaker 1>That's got to be an after slap in the faith

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<v Speaker 1>of your history, and then Jerry West. So I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's a thirteen seed. Patrick Ewing, if you want to say,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, greatest college basketball player of all time, he's

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<v Speaker 1>in the conversation. Kristen Latner's in the conversation. Michael Jordan

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<v Speaker 1>is not in the conversation. Even as much as I

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<v Speaker 1>love Larry Bird, he's not in the conversation. In my opinion,

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<v Speaker 1>they're great players. I mean Magic Johnson to me, was

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<v Speaker 1>a greater college basketball player than Michael Jordan was. All Right,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's interesting too because there's not a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of conversations that you can have regarding basketball and be like,

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<v Speaker 1>Michael Jordan's not good. Well, he's very good, he's not great, right, right, Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's what I mean. I mean they're throwing in Lenny Bias,

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<v Speaker 1>and Lenny Bias was a wonderful talent. I mean he was.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a remarkable talent. Oh my god. They had Tyler

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<v Speaker 1>hansbro in there. It's just I know he's the old

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<v Speaker 1>time leading score in ACC history. But he wasn't a

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<v Speaker 1>great player. He he accumulated, he compiled, He was a

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<v Speaker 1>very good player. It wasn't one of the old time greats. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>now you're making me, Matt Dan. You go after psychot

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<v Speaker 1>and left the floor my beer. Oh alrighty, so ja

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<v Speaker 1>Billis will join us. Coming up, we'll come up with

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<v Speaker 1>a poll question here, you like, get in touch with

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<v Speaker 1>the program. You can't all settle down. But I just man,

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<v Speaker 1>I was I was railing and I had to yell

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<v Speaker 1>at somebody and I couldn't. I was yelling at the

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<v Speaker 1>TV last night. So we'll talk to Jay and then

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<v Speaker 1>once we get the burgers and broads on the tragger.

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<v Speaker 1>We got white Castle Hamburgers, So don't that don't be fine?

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<v Speaker 1>And if do you need to eat earlier? Are you

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<v Speaker 1>angry right now? I'm angry. I am angry. I really

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<v Speaker 1>am and you know what's funny about that, too, is

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<v Speaker 1>thinking about you just raging in your basement right where

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<v Speaker 1>you're like, that's I gotta get in touch with Phyllis.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's the one time Todd doesn't have his phone

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<v Speaker 1>on him to get you the number right away. Hello,

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna get back to me and Jay Bulls number

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<v Speaker 1>while shop still on the air. Todd took ten minutes

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<v Speaker 1>to himself and it just happened to be a vet

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<v Speaker 1>ten minutes. How dare you? How dare you do that? Respond?

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<v Speaker 1>Now you're a family man. Now you're responsible of a

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<v Speaker 1>sudden when you need me, I get lost. Oh, this

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<v Speaker 1>I gotta agree with Seaton. Your your heart's racing. You're

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<v Speaker 1>breathing heavy. You should get some bratworths in you to

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<v Speaker 1>calm down. Maybe, uh, maybe get tyler than a rat

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<v Speaker 1>to slap those white castles on the tregger smoked white castle.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I grew up with Whitecastle Hamburgers. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>every time I go to Ohio, I buy a suitcase

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<v Speaker 1>of white Castle Hamburgers. I've never had white Castle Hamburgers

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<v Speaker 1>on the Tregger grill. That could get me out of

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<v Speaker 1>this mood right now. Poll question mclovan, good morning, good morning.

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<v Speaker 1>And by the way, Pete Perevitch average forty points a

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<v Speaker 1>game with no point? Did he ever pass the ball once?

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<v Speaker 1>Then he didn't have anybody to throw it to? Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>all right? Pole question, we're not gonna steal espns? Are

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<v Speaker 1>we in put lou Al sinder versus Patrick Uming or anything?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you want to do that? Is that their topic?

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<v Speaker 1>Or do we use There is no argument on the

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<v Speaker 1>greatest male college basketball player of all time. It's lu

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<v Speaker 1>Al Sindor. There is no argument. No, no Walton, No,

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<v Speaker 1>I love Walton. I'm the president of his fan club.

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<v Speaker 1>Bill would tell you that Luell Sindur was better than him,

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<v Speaker 1>that he would Christian Latner big time, wonderful. In the

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<v Speaker 1>conversation Patrick Ewing the impact that he had and Georgetown

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<v Speaker 1>did you know, but what did he win one title?

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<v Speaker 1>How about a running back pole to get you off

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<v Speaker 1>this time? Do you want to do the old our

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<v Speaker 1>running backs worth anything? Paul? Like, if I gave you,

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<v Speaker 1>would you rather have the best running back or say

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<v Speaker 1>the tenth best wide receiver? Well, I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>it would be so if you say I can have

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<v Speaker 1>Derreck Henry, right, or I can have a J. Green.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that's a good one. I didn't even think of

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<v Speaker 1>One't that good? Yeah? He's off of Todd Gurley's value.

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<v Speaker 1>Would you rather have Derrick Henry's already even run down

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<v Speaker 1>after running hard and tennessee, I just start want to

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<v Speaker 1>give you anything longer than five years? That would be

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<v Speaker 1>my motto, That's what I would I would never stray

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<v Speaker 1>from that. If I'm Carolina, I get five great years

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<v Speaker 1>out of Christian McCaffrey, I move on because you know,

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<v Speaker 1>look at remember the artist formerly known as Levion Bell.

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<v Speaker 1>When nobody talks about Levion Bell anymore, it's when you

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<v Speaker 1>get paid, you don't run the same way. Todd Gurley,

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<v Speaker 1>we all knew that was a bad deal. And you

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<v Speaker 1>know the Rams were going to be a mess after

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<v Speaker 1>losing that Super Bowl because they went all in to

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<v Speaker 1>win that Super Bowl and then they're in salary camp. Hell,

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<v Speaker 1>nobody's talking about Sean McVay being a genius anymore, at

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<v Speaker 1>least not lately. You know, they got in Brandon Cook's

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<v Speaker 1>contract and like they they went all in, and now

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<v Speaker 1>they're paying the price for that. And look, if I'm

0:13:41.520 --> 0:13:43.559
<v Speaker 1>a Rams fan, you say, hey, we tried. We got

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<v Speaker 1>to the super Bowl and we missed. Okay, at least

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<v Speaker 1>you try. There are a lot of franchises that don't

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<v Speaker 1>spend money that they're not trying to, you know, win

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<v Speaker 1>a Super Bowl. But yeah, the Todd Todd Gurley, by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, got signed by the Atlanta Falcons. Oh, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. You know they're talking about, Oh, he'll be

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<v Speaker 1>a draw because he played at Georgia. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>guess people will show up. I mean, if he plays well,

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<v Speaker 1>then he'll be a draw. If he doesn't, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if you're gonna show up and go, hey, let's

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<v Speaker 1>get the kids together. We're gonna watch Todd Gurley, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>get forty two yards total today. Yes, mccle i had

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<v Speaker 1>another poet, which super Bowl loser gets back first? The

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<v Speaker 1>Falcons now attack Gurley at the Rams, and I guess

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<v Speaker 1>you might throw the forty nine ers in there, all

0:14:30.200 --> 0:14:33.520
<v Speaker 1>the forty nine Ers. They lost the Forrest Buckner. Every

0:14:33.520 --> 0:14:37.360
<v Speaker 1>Super Bowl, Super Bowl loser Jinks comes into effect. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I know, but you know a lot of times you

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<v Speaker 1>don't even make the playoffs the next year, which is

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<v Speaker 1>always you know, we had a stretch where that was bizarre.

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<v Speaker 1>The teams that lost the Super Bowl didn't even make

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<v Speaker 1>it into the playoffs. I would say the Niners because

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<v Speaker 1>they still have that core, that's that's still there. You

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<v Speaker 1>wonder what the loss does to them though. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>the Falcons never recovered from Matt loss, and I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think they're going to in the Matt Ryan era. But

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<v Speaker 1>in the rams Seattle's still going to be good because

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<v Speaker 1>Russell Wilson is there, and the Niners are going to

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<v Speaker 1>be good as well. Arizona is getting more competitive now

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<v Speaker 1>you add DeAndre Hopkins. Tom Brady has officially signed. He

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<v Speaker 1>passed his physical. He has signed with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

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<v Speaker 1>He posted a picture of him signing his contract, passed

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<v Speaker 1>his physical. He had the following to say, excited, humble,

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<v Speaker 1>and hungry. If there is one thing I've learned about football,

0:15:36.440 --> 0:15:38.960
<v Speaker 1>it's that nobody cares what you did last year or

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<v Speaker 1>the year before that. You earn the trust in respect

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<v Speaker 1>of those around through your commitment every single day. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>starting a new football journey and thankful for the Buccaneers

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<v Speaker 1>for giving me an opportunity to do what I love.

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<v Speaker 1>I look forward to meeting all my new teammates and

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<v Speaker 1>coaches and proving to them that they can believe and

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<v Speaker 1>trust in me. I have always believe that well done

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<v Speaker 1>is better than well said. So I'm going to not

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<v Speaker 1>so I'm gonna not gonna say much more. Huh So,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna not gonna say much more. I'm just gonna

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<v Speaker 1>get to work. Hashtag year one exclamation point. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>we're ready to go fired up for Tommy. Now we

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<v Speaker 1>just bring in Julian Edelman and here we go. That

0:16:30.920 --> 0:16:34.480
<v Speaker 1>that kind of accelerated quickly. That got out of him quickly,

0:16:34.520 --> 0:16:37.840
<v Speaker 1>where Dion Sanders said, it's like peanut butter and jelly.

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<v Speaker 1>You gotta have, you know, Tom and Edelman together, And

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<v Speaker 1>we brought it up yesterday like who's most likely to

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<v Speaker 1>join him. Bruce Arians is on record as saying we're

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<v Speaker 1>not doing the Antonio Brown thing, which is the right

0:16:50.360 --> 0:16:54.920
<v Speaker 1>thing to say. Don't add any drama here, reduce your drama.

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<v Speaker 1>You bring in Brady. You're gonna have a completely different

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<v Speaker 1>locker room now, and you're gonna have a quarterback who

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<v Speaker 1>has accountability here. And these younger receivers, all those players.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, these guys haven't won anything. They're gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>around Brady. If I'm Brady, I bring in my Super

0:17:12.440 --> 0:17:15.000
<v Speaker 1>Bowl rings and just say, hey, this is what our

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<v Speaker 1>goal is. That's what we want. I like how Brady says,

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<v Speaker 1>nobody cares what you did last year or the year

0:17:21.880 --> 0:17:24.760
<v Speaker 1>before that is that? Is that a shot at the

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<v Speaker 1>Patriots there you earn the trust in respect to those

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<v Speaker 1>around you through commitment every single day. Yeah. Yeah, if

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<v Speaker 1>there's one thing I learned about nobody cares respect anything, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I will liken it could be. It could be a

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<v Speaker 1>little jab there at Belichick. Nobody appreciates what you did

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<v Speaker 1>last year, that's for sure. Yeah. I'm on the Buccaneer's website.

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<v Speaker 1>Tom Brady is a Buccaneer. Welcome to Tampa Bay. Pre

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<v Speaker 1>order his jersey now. They have a jersey, a white jersey.

0:17:58.600 --> 0:18:03.520
<v Speaker 1>Brady numbers zero row and then it says astress image

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<v Speaker 1>a representation only. Final product would include name, number and

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<v Speaker 1>team logo. So they don't know. They don't have a

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<v Speaker 1>number for him yet. Well, they haven't talked to Chris

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<v Speaker 1>Godwin yet. Yeah, somebody better talk to Chris quickly. So

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<v Speaker 1>TV twelve gets number twelve. What's the poll question we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna go with, mclovin. I think we should go with

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<v Speaker 1>a running back Todd Gurley Pole. Basically, would you would

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<v Speaker 1>you want the best running back or would you want

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<v Speaker 1>a next level below wide receiver, because that's what teams

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<v Speaker 1>are debating right now. Money Wise, it seems like the

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<v Speaker 1>wide receiver would win that Pole. But what running back

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<v Speaker 1>do you want right now? I mean, that's the point.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, Christian McCaffrey. I get that because he's given

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<v Speaker 1>you a thousand rushing and a thousand receiving. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a great weapon to have. I just don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to pay you your second contract. Yeah, mclovin. Another poll

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<v Speaker 1>question option, do you worry about getting a backup quarterback

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<v Speaker 1>that's too good like Jameis Winston? If you Toddson around

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<v Speaker 1>story that the Redskins might look at Jamis to back

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<v Speaker 1>up Dwayne Haskins, is that a kind of setup that

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<v Speaker 1>you want as a team. Well, you have the situation

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<v Speaker 1>with Philadelphia with Nick Bowles and Carson Wentz, and then

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<v Speaker 1>we realized Nick Foles could be on the same same

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<v Speaker 1>level as Carson Wentz at least for a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>big games. It worked out well. They want a super Bowl,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know, Washington's not winning anything anytime. Stone. I

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<v Speaker 1>just don't know what Washington's commit I don't know what

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<v Speaker 1>Ron Rivera's commitment is to Dwayne Haskins. That would be

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<v Speaker 1>the big curiosity. And does he want to bring in

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<v Speaker 1>Cam Newton? Because if he doesn't bring in Cam Newton,

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<v Speaker 1>what's that say about Cam Newton if his coach, his

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<v Speaker 1>only coach that he had in the pros, doesn't want

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<v Speaker 1>to bring him in. And Jamis, you know, is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be a backup quarterback someplace, and so is Cam Newton,

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<v Speaker 1>and probably so is Andy Dalton here and I think

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<v Speaker 1>that'll be those will be interesting storylines as we go

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<v Speaker 1>into the draft. Steelers also a team, according to USA Today,

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<v Speaker 1>interested in Jameis Winston is a backup. Don't they have enough?

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<v Speaker 1>They got like Duck and they got Duck Duck Goose,

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<v Speaker 1>and then they got Mason, Rudolf or Rudolf Mason, and

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<v Speaker 1>then you got Roth. I mean, what a mess? Now

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<v Speaker 1>you get bringing Jamis Winston? All right, all right, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Polly and I were working on this one. Would you

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<v Speaker 1>rather have Christian Layner's career top five player of all

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<v Speaker 1>time in college or we're gonna say Dominique Wilkins. Great

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<v Speaker 1>NBA career but not a notable college career, although I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure he was awesome, right, run that by me again.

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<v Speaker 1>Christian Layner his career top five player of all time

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<v Speaker 1>in college, but not much in the pros or Dominique Wilkins,

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<v Speaker 1>who had a great NBA career but not a notable

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<v Speaker 1>college career. I would take Laytner's career because Laterners still

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<v Speaker 1>played I think fifteen years in the NBA, and he

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<v Speaker 1>made one All Star team, made a lot of money,

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<v Speaker 1>he was on the Dream Team, got a gold medal,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's on you know, he's one of the top

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<v Speaker 1>five greatest college basketball players of all time. So I

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<v Speaker 1>would say Christian Layner, Yeah, I'm the club. If I

0:23:00.280 --> 0:23:03.440
<v Speaker 1>gave you James Worthy. That was another name. Too good

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<v Speaker 1>in college, yeah, and too good in the pros. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Worthy was great. Like there was a year where Worthy

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<v Speaker 1>was the best player on North Carolina, not Michael Jordan.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why Michael Jordan's shouldn't. He's a He was a

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<v Speaker 1>player of the Year, I know that, and he hit

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<v Speaker 1>a shot to win a national title. But Jordan wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>Air Jordan. He was Mike Jordan back then and then

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<v Speaker 1>he became this phenomena. But you know, we're factoring in

0:23:31.960 --> 0:23:36.399
<v Speaker 1>what he did in his NBA career. Bill Russell had

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<v Speaker 1>a better college career than Michael j There's so many

0:23:39.280 --> 0:23:44.040
<v Speaker 1>players that had better careers than Jordan. In college. Yeah, Paul,

0:23:44.119 --> 0:23:45.840
<v Speaker 1>you keep doing this. We're not gonna get Michael Jordans.

0:23:45.880 --> 0:23:50.800
<v Speaker 1>This man. Patrick Ewing was a better player, more accomplished.

0:23:51.280 --> 0:23:58.840
<v Speaker 1>Bill Russell was a team Elijah on was. So Fritzie's

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<v Speaker 1>getting Jake Billish here. I'm looking at some of the

0:24:01.680 --> 0:24:07.000
<v Speaker 1>other ones. Why is Trey Young in here? Trey Young

0:24:07.280 --> 0:24:12.639
<v Speaker 1>is a thirteen seed. Trey Young played one year, he

0:24:12.760 --> 0:24:16.520
<v Speaker 1>had fourteen or fifteen great games. And I love Trey Young.

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<v Speaker 1>He's not one of the greatest college basketball players. Pete

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<v Speaker 1>Marabitch is thirteen. Trey Young is thirteen, thirteenth seed. I

0:24:29.400 --> 0:24:34.800
<v Speaker 1>believe that Jerry West is a thirteen seed. Good God, Hell, yes, point,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't see the whole list yet. But if Trey

0:24:36.800 --> 0:24:39.040
<v Speaker 1>Young is a thirteen seed, where is Chris Jackson from

0:24:39.119 --> 0:24:41.359
<v Speaker 1>LSUS moved up to a rove he did two years

0:24:41.440 --> 0:24:45.199
<v Speaker 1>averaging thirty eight. No, he's in there. Okay, let me see.

0:24:45.600 --> 0:24:48.800
<v Speaker 1>I don't know how, probably not too too high, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>got me in the Mexo. Yeah, Chris Jackson was he

0:24:52.359 --> 0:24:55.560
<v Speaker 1>had fifteen seed. Okay, so that doesn't make sense to me. No,

0:24:55.760 --> 0:24:58.280
<v Speaker 1>Chris Jackson had a better college career than Trey Young.

0:24:58.359 --> 0:25:02.960
<v Speaker 1>Did Jay Villas with us your Jay? Why am I

0:25:03.040 --> 0:25:08.359
<v Speaker 1>so upset? Probably because there's something else to that is

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<v Speaker 1>this tributal, But I was. I was equally as upset

0:25:11.359 --> 0:25:14.199
<v Speaker 1>as you when I saw the bracket and tried to

0:25:14.280 --> 0:25:17.800
<v Speaker 1>change it, but to no avail. All right, I was

0:25:17.880 --> 0:25:20.399
<v Speaker 1>that angry. I don't know if that was live last night,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm texting you that I was. I was. I

0:25:23.359 --> 0:25:26.800
<v Speaker 1>wanted to yell at somebody, and uh so I was

0:25:26.920 --> 0:25:29.040
<v Speaker 1>yelling at you. So if you were busy working and

0:25:29.080 --> 0:25:32.480
<v Speaker 1>I interrupted you, I apologize for being unprofessional. Well, that

0:25:32.600 --> 0:25:36.400
<v Speaker 1>actually wasn't live. It was live on a Tuesday night,

0:25:36.520 --> 0:25:38.520
<v Speaker 1>or it was supposed to be live, and then Tom

0:25:38.560 --> 0:25:42.840
<v Speaker 1>Brady I think hiccupped or something, and it was five

0:25:42.880 --> 0:25:46.000
<v Speaker 1>hours of coverage five because there was there was a

0:25:46.080 --> 0:25:47.920
<v Speaker 1>hint he was going to the bucket air or so

0:25:48.920 --> 0:25:51.119
<v Speaker 1>we had to tape it. We taped it, you know,

0:25:51.160 --> 0:25:52.960
<v Speaker 1>you know how that goes down. We taped it as

0:25:52.960 --> 0:25:55.840
<v Speaker 1>if it was live, and the taping as if it

0:25:55.920 --> 0:25:59.320
<v Speaker 1>was live took longer than if it was live. Yeah,

0:25:59.359 --> 0:26:03.040
<v Speaker 1>I've been there for okay, So explain how this came

0:26:03.080 --> 0:26:06.440
<v Speaker 1>about and the number of players, you know, how did

0:26:06.440 --> 0:26:09.440
<v Speaker 1>you come up with that that number. Well, it came

0:26:09.480 --> 0:26:13.720
<v Speaker 1>about the lack of I assume the lack of programming

0:26:14.240 --> 0:26:20.360
<v Speaker 1>because of the coronavirus pandemic. So I was told, Hey,

0:26:20.400 --> 0:26:22.919
<v Speaker 1>we're going to do this show. Would you be available, uh,

0:26:23.040 --> 0:26:24.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, basically from six to nine on two this

0:26:25.000 --> 0:26:29.719
<v Speaker 1>So of course I'm available absolutely, But I don't know

0:26:29.800 --> 0:26:32.040
<v Speaker 1>how they came up with it. When I saw the bracket,

0:26:32.080 --> 0:26:34.400
<v Speaker 1>I had said, look, you know, so the guys got

0:26:34.400 --> 0:26:37.000
<v Speaker 1>to be moved up here, moved down? What about what

0:26:37.080 --> 0:26:39.320
<v Speaker 1>about so and so? How come this players not on it?

0:26:39.359 --> 0:26:42.800
<v Speaker 1>And I didn't have any any saying that. I think

0:26:42.800 --> 0:26:44.960
<v Speaker 1>they made a couple of adjustments, but I don't even

0:26:44.960 --> 0:26:46.879
<v Speaker 1>know who the they is. I just felt with my

0:26:46.960 --> 0:26:49.679
<v Speaker 1>producer and it was a good idea. I mean, it's

0:26:49.720 --> 0:26:52.040
<v Speaker 1>a really neat thing and it's a good discussion point,

0:26:52.119 --> 0:26:56.439
<v Speaker 1>a good argument. But um but to me, I don't know,

0:26:56.480 --> 0:26:58.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to you know, jump ahead, But to me,

0:26:59.480 --> 0:27:02.199
<v Speaker 1>the whole thing begins and ends with Kareem. Yes, I

0:27:02.240 --> 0:27:05.600
<v Speaker 1>mean after after we're like, what are we talking about?

0:27:05.880 --> 0:27:07.959
<v Speaker 1>Kareem was the greatest player ever. It's not it's not

0:27:08.000 --> 0:27:10.160
<v Speaker 1>a discussion point, and we can we can talk about

0:27:10.200 --> 0:27:12.240
<v Speaker 1>the rest of them, but you know, we know who's

0:27:12.280 --> 0:27:15.520
<v Speaker 1>gonna win before we start. It's Kareem Yeah, and rightfully.

0:27:15.560 --> 0:27:20.200
<v Speaker 1>So now if I take away, now we have an

0:27:20.240 --> 0:27:23.560
<v Speaker 1>interesting discussion. I'm amazed that you had. I mean, Jay

0:27:23.600 --> 0:27:28.640
<v Speaker 1>Williams should know better. He had Michael Jordan as the

0:27:28.680 --> 0:27:33.560
<v Speaker 1>best college player of all time. Yeah, he handled it

0:27:33.640 --> 0:27:36.040
<v Speaker 1>a little bit differently if I understood him right. He

0:27:36.080 --> 0:27:38.640
<v Speaker 1>was talking about it that we're a one on one game,

0:27:39.119 --> 0:27:42.840
<v Speaker 1>which I missed very much. Remember when CBS had during halftimes,

0:27:42.840 --> 0:27:45.240
<v Speaker 1>they had one on one and worst competitions among the

0:27:45.320 --> 0:27:48.000
<v Speaker 1>NBA players. Um, so he added as kind of someone

0:27:48.000 --> 0:27:50.280
<v Speaker 1>on one competition, which I none of us had a

0:27:50.359 --> 0:27:53.240
<v Speaker 1>chance to talk beforehand. That I didn't get that, but

0:27:53.560 --> 0:27:55.199
<v Speaker 1>and I didn't get some of the other stuff, like

0:27:55.480 --> 0:27:57.480
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you remember what I did, But

0:27:57.600 --> 0:28:01.200
<v Speaker 1>my thing was I didn't care where the the seatings were.

0:28:01.320 --> 0:28:03.639
<v Speaker 1>And then I went through the brackensaid we'll wait a minute,

0:28:03.680 --> 0:28:06.719
<v Speaker 1>like this is a miss seating, so this guy's gonna win.

0:28:06.720 --> 0:28:08.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna move this one on and all that stuff.

0:28:08.480 --> 0:28:12.320
<v Speaker 1>And mine was based on great who's the who's the

0:28:12.520 --> 0:28:16.840
<v Speaker 1>greater player? And and so mine was like Cheryl Miller

0:28:17.040 --> 0:28:20.520
<v Speaker 1>was the greatest women's player versus the second greatest men's player.

0:28:20.520 --> 0:28:24.760
<v Speaker 1>I advanced Cheryl Miller to the final and it was Kareem. Um,

0:28:25.000 --> 0:28:27.320
<v Speaker 1>But you know, so I went off great. Other people

0:28:27.440 --> 0:28:30.400
<v Speaker 1>voted differently, or say, you know, four championships versus if

0:28:30.520 --> 0:28:32.240
<v Speaker 1>Brianna Stewart at four, and I'm like, well, I think

0:28:32.240 --> 0:28:34.760
<v Speaker 1>if Kareem had played, he would have got four. Like

0:28:34.920 --> 0:28:39.160
<v Speaker 1>that guy was. He was the game. And Seth Greeberg

0:28:39.200 --> 0:28:41.400
<v Speaker 1>made the point they changed the rules for Kareem when

0:28:41.400 --> 0:28:44.720
<v Speaker 1>he was in college. You know they're transcendent. Doesn't even

0:28:45.160 --> 0:28:48.959
<v Speaker 1>Labron did not approach how good Kareem was as far

0:28:49.000 --> 0:28:51.040
<v Speaker 1>as being a high school player, going to college, what

0:28:51.160 --> 0:28:53.640
<v Speaker 1>he did in college, all that stuff. It was a

0:28:53.680 --> 0:28:56.920
<v Speaker 1>different deal. Like he was. He was game changing in

0:28:57.000 --> 0:29:01.080
<v Speaker 1>every way and above everyone that had played. I mean,

0:29:01.240 --> 0:29:04.880
<v Speaker 1>and it spunds me, Dan if people don't seem to

0:29:05.000 --> 0:29:08.719
<v Speaker 1>remember how great he was. And it's not it's not

0:29:08.800 --> 0:29:13.040
<v Speaker 1>like I'm fine, let's let's argue about m J versus Kareem,

0:29:13.600 --> 0:29:17.720
<v Speaker 1>but it's m only and then everybody else will argue

0:29:17.720 --> 0:29:21.840
<v Speaker 1>about a little bit later. But but it's it's cosed too. Yeah,

0:29:21.880 --> 0:29:26.560
<v Speaker 1>I and I liken Cheryl Miller to women's college basketball

0:29:26.800 --> 0:29:30.040
<v Speaker 1>like I do Martin on their Nevertilova to women's tennis.

0:29:30.960 --> 0:29:34.240
<v Speaker 1>They were different. They were athletes in there, and and

0:29:34.320 --> 0:29:38.200
<v Speaker 1>Cheryl was you know, you watched Cheryl like I watched

0:29:38.240 --> 0:29:41.480
<v Speaker 1>the Women of Troy again. I've watched that documentary twice now,

0:29:41.880 --> 0:29:44.480
<v Speaker 1>just because that was a big deal at the time

0:29:44.520 --> 0:29:48.080
<v Speaker 1>when they knocked off Louisiana Tech, and and Cheryl scored

0:29:48.120 --> 0:29:51.240
<v Speaker 1>one hundred points in a game in high school. She

0:29:51.360 --> 0:29:53.120
<v Speaker 1>was She was a difference maker. If you want to

0:29:53.120 --> 0:29:56.240
<v Speaker 1>put Brianna Stewart as the greatest women's college basketball player

0:29:56.240 --> 0:29:58.440
<v Speaker 1>of all time, I have no problem with that. You

0:29:58.440 --> 0:30:00.680
<v Speaker 1>can't do any better than she did. You win four

0:30:00.680 --> 0:30:03.480
<v Speaker 1>titles and you're, you know, four times the most outstanding player.

0:30:04.120 --> 0:30:06.480
<v Speaker 1>Diana Razzi, I have no problem with that if you

0:30:06.520 --> 0:30:08.400
<v Speaker 1>want to put her in there as well. But the

0:30:08.440 --> 0:30:11.440
<v Speaker 1>greatest player of all time is lu Elsendor. What drove

0:30:11.560 --> 0:30:15.000
<v Speaker 1>me crazy is why is Trey Young in there. He's

0:30:15.000 --> 0:30:17.560
<v Speaker 1>not one of the great college basketball players. He was

0:30:17.600 --> 0:30:22.680
<v Speaker 1>there for one year. Why is uh God? I got

0:30:22.760 --> 0:30:26.560
<v Speaker 1>Pete Maravich at thirteen. I got Jerry West at thirteen.

0:30:27.600 --> 0:30:31.800
<v Speaker 1>What what's going on here? I don't know. I don't

0:30:31.840 --> 0:30:35.360
<v Speaker 1>know whether it was it was frankly because it wanted

0:30:35.360 --> 0:30:38.720
<v Speaker 1>to television show. And I'm just speculating because I haven't

0:30:38.720 --> 0:30:40.960
<v Speaker 1>talked to anybody about this. There are other more important

0:30:40.960 --> 0:30:43.800
<v Speaker 1>things that I'm totally no you are too. But but

0:30:44.280 --> 0:30:46.560
<v Speaker 1>but my guess is that it is just a guess

0:30:47.760 --> 0:30:51.440
<v Speaker 1>is that there were more younger people involved in older people,

0:30:52.160 --> 0:30:55.680
<v Speaker 1>and they wanted they wanted a cross section where you

0:30:55.760 --> 0:30:58.440
<v Speaker 1>did have younger players representative. Because I didn't think Kevin

0:30:58.520 --> 0:31:00.800
<v Speaker 1>Durant should have been a high up. He won one

0:31:00.840 --> 0:31:04.600
<v Speaker 1>tournament game. And the only thing, the only thing I

0:31:04.640 --> 0:31:07.480
<v Speaker 1>would say about Meravich, like I'm with everybody that Merevich

0:31:07.520 --> 0:31:09.320
<v Speaker 1>should not have been a thirteen or whatever he was,

0:31:09.360 --> 0:31:12.480
<v Speaker 1>He should have been way higher. But Merevitch never played

0:31:12.480 --> 0:31:15.560
<v Speaker 1>in an NCAA tournament game. Yeah, bad team though, I

0:31:15.600 --> 0:31:17.760
<v Speaker 1>mean he was the only guy on his team in

0:31:17.800 --> 0:31:20.240
<v Speaker 1>the in the you know, the tournament wasn't as big

0:31:20.320 --> 0:31:24.240
<v Speaker 1>as it. Everybody makes the tournament, now, I get it.

0:31:24.800 --> 0:31:26.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm not I'm not. I'm not saying he shouldn't have

0:31:26.920 --> 0:31:29.480
<v Speaker 1>been he shouldn't be revered as as one of the

0:31:29.560 --> 0:31:32.880
<v Speaker 1>greatest of all time. But but I don't want to

0:31:32.920 --> 0:31:35.640
<v Speaker 1>go too far in the other direction either, because there

0:31:35.640 --> 0:31:37.960
<v Speaker 1>are other guys like Elgin Baylor should have been in

0:31:38.080 --> 0:31:42.120
<v Speaker 1>bad and yeah, Elgin Baylor didn't any teammates either, and uh,

0:31:42.200 --> 0:31:44.640
<v Speaker 1>and it's not like Oscar Robertson played with a whole

0:31:44.680 --> 0:31:48.760
<v Speaker 1>bunch of superstars. Um, you know, played with good players.

0:31:48.800 --> 0:31:50.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm not trying to cast his furtages on anybody. But

0:31:51.480 --> 0:31:54.440
<v Speaker 1>other players were able to get their teams. But two

0:31:54.520 --> 0:31:58.560
<v Speaker 1>more wins and and Merevich didn't their their teams didn't win.

0:31:59.040 --> 0:32:01.200
<v Speaker 1>Not not only didn't the tournament, they didn't win at

0:32:01.240 --> 0:32:03.400
<v Speaker 1>a high level. He was a great player. He was

0:32:03.920 --> 0:32:07.440
<v Speaker 1>no question, one of the greatest ever. I'm not arguing that.

0:32:07.560 --> 0:32:09.600
<v Speaker 1>But the idea that that he should have been up

0:32:09.640 --> 0:32:11.720
<v Speaker 1>with Kareem and all the other no, no, no, I

0:32:12.080 --> 0:32:15.000
<v Speaker 1>think one of her Parsonal championships here, Like some people

0:32:15.040 --> 0:32:18.080
<v Speaker 1>are Parsonalt saying, okay, well, this guy won this many championships.

0:32:18.080 --> 0:32:20.920
<v Speaker 1>He only won this minute. Okay, Merrivish didn't even play

0:32:20.920 --> 0:32:24.360
<v Speaker 1>in the tournament, and everybody saying we should be up here.

0:32:24.400 --> 0:32:27.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, look, I'm not arguing he shouldn't be. But

0:32:27.680 --> 0:32:29.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, let let's have we can't talk out the

0:32:30.000 --> 0:32:32.320
<v Speaker 1>both sides of our mouths and all this stuff. I

0:32:32.440 --> 0:32:36.120
<v Speaker 1>would take Jay Williams out of the sixth spot and uh,

0:32:36.680 --> 0:32:39.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, put Pete Merivitch there. I would take Jay

0:32:39.520 --> 0:32:42.160
<v Speaker 1>out of the entire thing after he picked Michael Jordan

0:32:42.320 --> 0:32:44.560
<v Speaker 1>is the best college basketball player of all time. I

0:32:44.680 --> 0:32:46.920
<v Speaker 1>just slapped the floor. That's what I just did, Jay,

0:32:47.280 --> 0:32:50.440
<v Speaker 1>I just slapped the floor. The problem that Jay had

0:32:50.600 --> 0:32:53.080
<v Speaker 1>was he was the sixth seed. He ran into another

0:32:53.200 --> 0:32:57.680
<v Speaker 1>misseated player at David Propison and David Robinson, as you remember,

0:32:57.800 --> 0:33:00.360
<v Speaker 1>took Navy to the Elite eight, and we're not for

0:33:00.480 --> 0:33:03.120
<v Speaker 1>the opposing center he ran into, they could have gone

0:33:03.120 --> 0:33:08.120
<v Speaker 1>all the way. Yeah, that's a great point. Uh you didn't,

0:33:08.120 --> 0:33:10.280
<v Speaker 1>You didn't. You didn't fight on that one. No, No,

0:33:10.360 --> 0:33:13.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm not. I agree with David Robinson when you were

0:33:13.440 --> 0:33:16.560
<v Speaker 1>saying how he took an you know, he took Navy

0:33:17.240 --> 0:33:19.760
<v Speaker 1>to the elite eight. I mean that's pretty pretty amazing,

0:33:20.000 --> 0:33:23.720
<v Speaker 1>pretty amazing for the team and the opposing center he

0:33:23.840 --> 0:33:28.680
<v Speaker 1>ran into. I mean you and you shut him down exactly. Yeah,

0:33:28.720 --> 0:33:35.120
<v Speaker 1>it was the Dad dockets and later is in the

0:33:35.200 --> 0:33:38.240
<v Speaker 1>conversation as well. I have no problem with that. Um,

0:33:38.680 --> 0:33:43.280
<v Speaker 1>but man I did whatever, all right? I know. Let

0:33:43.320 --> 0:33:45.240
<v Speaker 1>me tell you the Lateener on Late I was, I

0:33:45.320 --> 0:33:47.560
<v Speaker 1>was a grad assistant when Later was playing maybe the

0:33:47.680 --> 0:33:51.120
<v Speaker 1>greatest competitor I've ever seen. I mean unbelievable. The guy

0:33:51.280 --> 0:33:54.840
<v Speaker 1>was an unbelievable athlete. He could do everything and has

0:33:54.880 --> 0:33:59.240
<v Speaker 1>had he at equally a topic careers, maybe around a

0:33:59.280 --> 0:34:01.440
<v Speaker 1>steward if you want to make sort of that argument. Yeah,

0:34:01.760 --> 0:34:04.280
<v Speaker 1>but he like what would you do? Who is a

0:34:04.360 --> 0:34:06.680
<v Speaker 1>better player? Between Later and Danny Manning? That was a

0:34:06.760 --> 0:34:09.040
<v Speaker 1>tough one for me. Just better player. I'm not talking

0:34:09.080 --> 0:34:11.480
<v Speaker 1>about you know how many rings was have accomplished, because

0:34:11.520 --> 0:34:14.680
<v Speaker 1>Danny's was damn close. But that was a hard one.

0:34:14.760 --> 0:34:17.680
<v Speaker 1>Like the one eight matchup in the second round, You're going,

0:34:17.880 --> 0:34:21.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure who's a better player. Danny Manning had

0:34:21.560 --> 0:34:23.200
<v Speaker 1>less to work with and that was one of the

0:34:23.280 --> 0:34:26.800
<v Speaker 1>great tournament runs in history with Danny and the miracles

0:34:26.840 --> 0:34:30.680
<v Speaker 1>and what they did in Kansas City. Um, you know it,

0:34:30.840 --> 0:34:37.520
<v Speaker 1>Just think late I would take three over three thousand points,

0:34:38.280 --> 0:34:40.600
<v Speaker 1>Like you know, he had a ridiculous He's at the

0:34:40.680 --> 0:34:42.799
<v Speaker 1>top of every list and that that's where the Big

0:34:42.880 --> 0:34:45.399
<v Speaker 1>Twelve they you know, these Big twelve records they talk

0:34:45.400 --> 0:34:48.680
<v Speaker 1>about that doesn't include the Big Eight, like so all

0:34:48.719 --> 0:34:50.960
<v Speaker 1>the guys like Trey Young's records and all that stuff,

0:34:51.280 --> 0:34:54.560
<v Speaker 1>that doesn't include anything that happened like Wayman Tisdale or

0:34:55.560 --> 0:34:57.440
<v Speaker 1>Danny Manning or all those guys that played in the

0:34:57.480 --> 0:34:59.239
<v Speaker 1>Big Eight. That doesn't even count with the Big Twelve.

0:34:59.280 --> 0:35:01.480
<v Speaker 1>They didn't even bring those records with them. It's crazy.

0:35:01.640 --> 0:35:04.320
<v Speaker 1>I gotta go back to ESPN. I'm announcing now that

0:35:04.400 --> 0:35:07.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm going back to ESPN, So I gotta set some

0:35:08.000 --> 0:35:12.279
<v Speaker 1>stuff straight up there. I'll do it, Jay, I'm with you.

0:35:12.719 --> 0:35:16.480
<v Speaker 1>I'll storm the front door with it, just like I'm

0:35:16.520 --> 0:35:19.239
<v Speaker 1>ready the two of us. Can you imagine how what

0:35:19.360 --> 0:35:22.160
<v Speaker 1>a wonderful rest of that would be to have us

0:35:22.239 --> 0:35:25.399
<v Speaker 1>go in and argue about something as trivial as this. Well,

0:35:25.480 --> 0:35:28.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm you'd be mister inside. I'd be mister Outside. That

0:35:29.000 --> 0:35:31.960
<v Speaker 1>would be the show doctor after Glen Davis. Yeah, yeah,

0:35:32.040 --> 0:35:33.640
<v Speaker 1>well that was my nickname in high school. I was

0:35:33.680 --> 0:35:38.840
<v Speaker 1>mister Outside. That was just your social nickname. No, No,

0:35:39.000 --> 0:35:42.279
<v Speaker 1>I didn't go I didn't go outside my social life,

0:35:42.400 --> 0:35:44.279
<v Speaker 1>but I did with when I was taking jumpers. I

0:35:44.400 --> 0:35:46.320
<v Speaker 1>was mister outside, just letting you know. I thought you

0:35:46.719 --> 0:35:48.359
<v Speaker 1>I thought you were talking about being like the boy

0:35:48.440 --> 0:35:54.840
<v Speaker 1>in the Plastic Bubble special Relevance Now, Jay show, I remember,

0:35:54.960 --> 0:35:56.560
<v Speaker 1>I thought you were on my side here. That was

0:35:56.640 --> 0:36:00.759
<v Speaker 1>John Travolta, wasn't it John Travolta? And the the song

0:36:00.960 --> 0:36:06.360
<v Speaker 1>was written by Paul Williams. Oh god, all right, go

0:36:06.480 --> 0:36:08.920
<v Speaker 1>back to doing whatever you were doing, and thanks for

0:36:09.040 --> 0:36:12.399
<v Speaker 1>joining us. Yeah, I'm watching a better call, Saul. I'm

0:36:12.920 --> 0:36:15.480
<v Speaker 1>okay through the first season and fantastic by the way,

0:36:15.800 --> 0:36:18.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah it is. It's it's well done. Thank you, Jay.

0:36:18.840 --> 0:36:22.640
<v Speaker 1>All right, brother, and that's Jay billis well good. I

0:36:23.120 --> 0:36:26.080
<v Speaker 1>feel better that I didn't interrupt him working last night,

0:36:26.160 --> 0:36:29.480
<v Speaker 1>because if I could have somehow called into the show,

0:36:29.560 --> 0:36:31.279
<v Speaker 1>I would have called into the show. Yes, Paul, but

0:36:31.320 --> 0:36:33.279
<v Speaker 1>you're not opposed to doing that, Like if Reggie Miller

0:36:33.360 --> 0:36:35.960
<v Speaker 1>is calling an NBA game at it could be Lakers

0:36:36.120 --> 0:36:38.680
<v Speaker 1>versus the Warriors or something or good a good game. Yeah,

0:36:38.920 --> 0:36:41.960
<v Speaker 1>and you'll you'll text a mid sentence. Yes, yes I will.

0:36:42.480 --> 0:36:47.800
<v Speaker 1>And it's so unprofessional, but yeah, I do that, Paulie,

0:36:47.840 --> 0:36:50.879
<v Speaker 1>says a surprise caller. Next segment. All I've been told

0:36:50.920 --> 0:36:52.840
<v Speaker 1>I don't even know, is someone needs to take a

0:36:52.920 --> 0:36:55.200
<v Speaker 1>victory lap. That's all I've been told. I need to

0:36:55.280 --> 0:36:58.239
<v Speaker 1>take a victory lamp. Someone is taking a victory Okay,

0:36:58.320 --> 0:37:00.480
<v Speaker 1>all right, we'll take a break here and we'll come

0:37:00.520 --> 0:37:02.840
<v Speaker 1>back with a mystery caller. Your phone calls coming up

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<v Speaker 1>at Jeff Darlington. Oh okay, little victory lab for Jeff Darlington,

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<v Speaker 1>the ESPN NFL reporter who told us a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>weeks ago that Tom was going to be leaving. He

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<v Speaker 1>would be shocked if he stayed. And also he said, Dan,

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<v Speaker 1>don't rule out the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. As I laughed

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<v Speaker 1>and scoffed, and Paulie put up five hundred dollar bed

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<v Speaker 1>for Jeff Darlington for the Jimmy V Foundation. I believe

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<v Speaker 1>and Jeff joining us now, congratulations Jeff. Yes, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not calling for a victory lab. Jeff calling us

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<v Speaker 1>part of the donations department for the d Foundation, letting

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<v Speaker 1>you know that we take all dat your credit cards

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<v Speaker 1>Apple pay. Yes, Jeff, can I venmo you. I'm ready

0:40:03.480 --> 0:40:06.600
<v Speaker 1>to go. I'm ready to help the cause. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know that. So when did you know it that he

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't coming back. Yeah, I mean when I said that,

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<v Speaker 1>I would be shocked. I mean, look, here's the thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I was coming from a very sincere place when I

0:40:24.880 --> 0:40:27.080
<v Speaker 1>said that, and when the context that I had added

0:40:27.120 --> 0:40:29.360
<v Speaker 1>on the show is that there are still people around

0:40:29.400 --> 0:40:31.440
<v Speaker 1>Tom though that think that he if he were to

0:40:31.480 --> 0:40:34.279
<v Speaker 1>go into Bill Belichick's office and Belichick laid out this

0:40:34.360 --> 0:40:37.680
<v Speaker 1>master plan that they wouldn't surprise despite the fact that

0:40:37.760 --> 0:40:41.520
<v Speaker 1>Brady himself is the one he's saying I'm not going back. So, um,

0:40:41.840 --> 0:40:45.759
<v Speaker 1>I lay at that context because you know, look, I

0:40:45.840 --> 0:40:49.040
<v Speaker 1>think we were all in the same kind of level

0:40:49.040 --> 0:40:52.480
<v Speaker 1>of disbelief that Tom would leave the Patriots. But but

0:40:52.680 --> 0:40:55.760
<v Speaker 1>quite frankly, when even though its close to him, aren't

0:40:55.800 --> 0:40:58.560
<v Speaker 1>necessarily believing him, it's tough to just sit there and

0:40:58.640 --> 0:41:02.520
<v Speaker 1>say he's not going back. But you know, at that point,

0:41:02.800 --> 0:41:05.759
<v Speaker 1>after kind of hearing it for longer than a month

0:41:06.080 --> 0:41:07.759
<v Speaker 1>that he wasn't going back, I was finally to the

0:41:07.800 --> 0:41:09.880
<v Speaker 1>point where, you know, what, he's not going back. What

0:41:09.960 --> 0:41:11.839
<v Speaker 1>do you think the main like, if you were going

0:41:11.880 --> 0:41:14.840
<v Speaker 1>to trying to pin down the one reason why he

0:41:15.040 --> 0:41:20.359
<v Speaker 1>wasn't going back, Uh, fun. You want to have fun,

0:41:21.280 --> 0:41:23.839
<v Speaker 1>and that can be a matter of running away from

0:41:23.880 --> 0:41:27.520
<v Speaker 1>something that was no longer necessarily fun and maybe chasing

0:41:27.600 --> 0:41:30.160
<v Speaker 1>something that that would be. He's not ready to retire

0:41:30.239 --> 0:41:34.680
<v Speaker 1>from football. Yes, the relationship between he and Bill Belichick

0:41:34.800 --> 0:41:39.240
<v Speaker 1>was strained, but I don't think that it's necessarily critical

0:41:39.400 --> 0:41:42.640
<v Speaker 1>to say that that was the entire reason. It was

0:41:42.719 --> 0:41:44.520
<v Speaker 1>also just about a new challenge and kind of the

0:41:44.600 --> 0:41:48.080
<v Speaker 1>invigorating himself, and I think it can be both, to

0:41:48.160 --> 0:41:50.920
<v Speaker 1>be honest, do you think Edelman is in Tampa next year?

0:41:52.200 --> 0:41:54.800
<v Speaker 1>I don't think so. Like, I can't imagine Bill Belichick

0:41:54.920 --> 0:41:58.200
<v Speaker 1>be like, yeah, let me send some pieces to allow

0:41:58.360 --> 0:42:00.840
<v Speaker 1>Tom really to win a Super Bowl and make me

0:42:00.920 --> 0:42:04.520
<v Speaker 1>look so stupid. I just don't. I mean, look at that,

0:42:04.920 --> 0:42:08.080
<v Speaker 1>totally mean just kind of speculating, But why would you

0:42:08.160 --> 0:42:10.799
<v Speaker 1>do that. I'm right there with you unless he goes

0:42:11.400 --> 0:42:13.759
<v Speaker 1>that guy's going to be thirty four and he's been

0:42:13.840 --> 0:42:16.879
<v Speaker 1>banged up. Maybe I can get something and maybe they'll

0:42:16.920 --> 0:42:20.080
<v Speaker 1>take him off my hands as well. Yeah, yeah, no doubt.

0:42:20.320 --> 0:42:22.200
<v Speaker 1>I mean, like you kind of go across the board

0:42:22.239 --> 0:42:25.920
<v Speaker 1>with that, Like, like Dronkowski is still still property of

0:42:25.960 --> 0:42:29.120
<v Speaker 1>the of the Patriots, Like, why wouldn't the Bucks go

0:42:29.280 --> 0:42:32.040
<v Speaker 1>try to offer something for that too? But but but

0:42:32.160 --> 0:42:35.239
<v Speaker 1>to that point, like I just can't see Belichick being like, yeah,

0:42:35.320 --> 0:42:37.080
<v Speaker 1>let me go ahead and help out this cause this

0:42:37.360 --> 0:42:38.960
<v Speaker 1>seems like a really smart thing for me to do.

0:42:39.440 --> 0:42:41.880
<v Speaker 1>Final thirty seconds. Who do you think the quarterback is

0:42:41.920 --> 0:42:45.359
<v Speaker 1>going to be in New England? I actually I could

0:42:45.360 --> 0:42:47.239
<v Speaker 1>see that I'm trying to make Stidham work. I know

0:42:47.360 --> 0:42:51.960
<v Speaker 1>that's again probably pretty surprising, but um, I could see

0:42:52.000 --> 0:42:54.200
<v Speaker 1>them really feeling like they're going to go in there

0:42:54.200 --> 0:42:57.279
<v Speaker 1>and prove their point with Stidham. So you know, you know,

0:42:57.360 --> 0:42:59.719
<v Speaker 1>Andy Dalton certainly one of the products out there, but

0:43:00.719 --> 0:43:03.279
<v Speaker 1>the possibilities, but I think this is a team that

0:43:03.360 --> 0:43:07.719
<v Speaker 1>will look towards Fidham and try to give him a chance. Yeah, PAULI, Jeff,

0:43:07.760 --> 0:43:09.400
<v Speaker 1>you want to go double or nothing on some awesome

0:43:09.480 --> 0:43:19.960
<v Speaker 1>rules football tonight. Thank you, Jeff, well done. Let me safe.

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<v Speaker 1>That's Jeff Darlington, yes kid. You know it stayed with

0:43:23.320 --> 0:43:26.880
<v Speaker 1>me when he said don't rule out Tampa because you know,

0:43:26.960 --> 0:43:30.400
<v Speaker 1>initially I thought, okay, there's I was told three teams,

0:43:30.440 --> 0:43:32.680
<v Speaker 1>so New England and then I figured it was going

0:43:32.719 --> 0:43:35.680
<v Speaker 1>to be the Chargers, and I didn't know that it

0:43:35.800 --> 0:43:37.680
<v Speaker 1>was going to be Tampa. But he was plugged into

0:43:37.719 --> 0:43:41.080
<v Speaker 1>Brady's side of the equation here. And you know what

0:43:41.719 --> 0:43:43.640
<v Speaker 1>was brought up to me a couple of times by

0:43:43.719 --> 0:43:48.200
<v Speaker 1>my source was fun. Tom wanted to have fun and

0:43:48.320 --> 0:43:50.719
<v Speaker 1>he wasn't going to have fun in New England. Now

0:43:50.920 --> 0:43:54.239
<v Speaker 1>is that the overriding factor here? Probably not, but I

0:43:54.320 --> 0:43:57.120
<v Speaker 1>think it contributed to this. Hey, I want to do this.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to enjoy this. My kids get to see

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