WEBVTT - Thinking Sideways: The Disappearance of Zebb Quinn 0:00:04.320 --> 0:00:16.079 Think Team Sideways. I don't. You've never known stories of 0:00:16.200 --> 0:00:21.000 things we simply don't know the answer to. Hey, guys, 0:00:21.120 --> 0:00:26.200 welcome Thinking Sideways, the podcast Team Sideways here to solve 0:00:26.239 --> 0:00:32.120 a mystery for you. I'm Devin, joined this time by 0:00:32.320 --> 0:00:36.000 Joe and Steve, as opposed to the other times, which 0:00:36.040 --> 0:00:39.599 is where I am Joe, I'm Steve. Yep, that's true. 0:00:39.720 --> 0:00:41.159 You're gonna have to adjust the way you talk to 0:00:41.200 --> 0:00:44.480 you too. Now I'm gonna have to lower my voice 0:00:44.600 --> 0:00:51.800 and way slower. I can't help the rate I have 0:00:51.960 --> 0:00:55.520 my speech patterns at this week, we're going to talk 0:00:55.560 --> 0:00:59.880 about something that was requested by a number of people. Uh, 0:01:00.240 --> 0:01:02.400 lots and lots of people. It's pretty much since we 0:01:02.440 --> 0:01:05.160 started doing the podcast, it's been a pretty constant stream 0:01:05.160 --> 0:01:09.280 and we've been saying no, no, I wouldn't say we 0:01:09.360 --> 0:01:15.880 said to tackle not tonight, but a kind of hurts. 0:01:17.120 --> 0:01:21.160 But there's been a recent development there has so we're 0:01:21.200 --> 0:01:25.000 gonna yeah, it's good, it's good. Yeah, this is we 0:01:25.080 --> 0:01:26.840 do wait sometimes, and this is this is a good 0:01:26.840 --> 0:01:29.760 reason why we're gonna talk about the disappearance of zeb 0:01:29.880 --> 0:01:34.240 Quinn nine pm on January two, two thousand, Zeb Quinn 0:01:34.400 --> 0:01:37.959 finishes his shift at Walmart. He's eighteen years old, and 0:01:38.040 --> 0:01:40.480 he and his friend Robert Jason Owens decided to go 0:01:40.640 --> 0:01:42.960 look at a car that Zeb has been thinking about buying. 0:01:43.240 --> 0:01:45.679 They converse about it quickly for a minute in the 0:01:45.720 --> 0:01:49.280 parking lot, and then they take They each get in 0:01:49.320 --> 0:01:51.920 their own cars, and they stop at a gas station 0:01:51.960 --> 0:01:57.480 at about nine pm, after which Owen's reports that Zeb 0:01:57.560 --> 0:02:02.480 flashed his lights at him. Zeb was mind yeah, and 0:02:02.680 --> 0:02:05.360 he flashes his lights, which I guess is like universal 0:02:05.360 --> 0:02:08.600 signal for hey, pull over. I didn't know that, but 0:02:09.480 --> 0:02:13.240 you really Yeah, No, I've had I've had cell phones 0:02:13.280 --> 0:02:17.000 as far as long as i've you just text the person, say, 0:02:19.120 --> 0:02:22.560 stopped making me feel old. So they pull over and 0:02:23.000 --> 0:02:24.720 Zeb hops out of the car and he says he's 0:02:24.720 --> 0:02:26.960 gotten a page, so he's going to go walk over 0:02:27.000 --> 0:02:29.960 to the pay phone to make a phone call. Okay, 0:02:30.000 --> 0:02:33.920 Now I read that he actually drove back somewhere to 0:02:34.040 --> 0:02:36.000 make the call, that there wasn't a pay phone where 0:02:36.040 --> 0:02:39.120 they pulled. Yeah, I read that too. I've seen it 0:02:39.160 --> 0:02:42.000 both ways. That's why I bring it up, because I 0:02:42.040 --> 0:02:44.840 don't know that he wouldn't necessarily back to the gas station. 0:02:44.960 --> 0:02:47.239 Where they because we know that the time that the 0:02:47.560 --> 0:02:50.200 gas station, because he were on camera, but there was 0:02:50.240 --> 0:02:52.520 no camera of him coming back, so I suspect it 0:02:52.560 --> 0:02:55.040 wasn't the They would have mentioned that. There could have 0:02:55.040 --> 0:02:57.720 been phones. Oh, I'm sure there were. There were lots 0:02:57.720 --> 0:03:00.359 of payphones in those days. I remember that. I don't 0:03:00.360 --> 0:03:02.800 see so many of them anymore. That's because nobody has pages. 0:03:03.840 --> 0:03:07.160 When Zeb returned, Owens described him as kind of frantic, 0:03:07.960 --> 0:03:11.760 and Zeb said he needed to cancel their plans to 0:03:11.800 --> 0:03:14.359 go look at the car and drove off, re ending 0:03:14.400 --> 0:03:17.200 owens car on the way. That's how much of a 0:03:17.240 --> 0:03:19.919 hurry he was in. I guess again. That's another another 0:03:19.960 --> 0:03:22.519 inconsistent one between various accounts of the story, because the 0:03:22.560 --> 0:03:25.240 one that I heard is that after he took out, 0:03:25.480 --> 0:03:28.000 after he said he needed to go return the page, 0:03:28.560 --> 0:03:32.560 he rerended his car then and then came back ten 0:03:32.560 --> 0:03:34.880 minutes later after making the phone call and apologize and 0:03:34.920 --> 0:03:37.000 said he couldn't go look at the car. That's interesting. 0:03:37.000 --> 0:03:39.240 I actually hadn't seen that anywhere, so he either did 0:03:39.240 --> 0:03:44.920 it as he went to answer the page or after. Yeah, 0:03:45.040 --> 0:03:47.880 it's kind of a trivial thing, but somebody's going to 0:03:47.960 --> 0:03:50.920 call us on that, probably but probably. Yeah. Around midnight, 0:03:51.560 --> 0:03:54.440 Owens shows up at a hospital with a couple of 0:03:54.480 --> 0:03:57.600 fractured ribs and a head injury. He says he was 0:03:57.640 --> 0:04:00.360 in a car accident, though of note, there was no 0:04:00.440 --> 0:04:03.240 car accident reported, And by the way, is I never 0:04:03.240 --> 0:04:05.000 I was not able to find this out anywhere? Was 0:04:05.080 --> 0:04:07.960 that was? Was that a single car accident or I 0:04:08.000 --> 0:04:10.640 don't think that anybody knows because I guess what wasn't reported. 0:04:11.400 --> 0:04:14.720 Whoever else was involved didn't ever come forward, or if 0:04:14.760 --> 0:04:18.200 he ran into a poll was a single car? He said? 0:04:18.400 --> 0:04:21.280 You know, he told the I guess the police. I 0:04:21.320 --> 0:04:23.560 guess the hospital called the police or something like that. 0:04:23.640 --> 0:04:25.800 But the report was that it had happened near the 0:04:25.800 --> 0:04:31.440 waffle house on Interstate Love the waffle house house waffle house. Yeah, 0:04:31.560 --> 0:04:33.839 So anyway, so that's that's an interesting thing. It's like, 0:04:33.920 --> 0:04:36.359 maybe the police have more more detailed records, but it 0:04:36.360 --> 0:04:39.320 hasn't been released. So yeah, that's the thing. It has 0:04:39.360 --> 0:04:41.680 been released, So it's just frustrating. I have a lot 0:04:41.680 --> 0:04:44.320 of questions about this. Yeah, I I totally agree with that, 0:04:44.480 --> 0:04:46.560 and I do want to pause here for a second. 0:04:46.920 --> 0:04:48.840 I think some of our listeners are going to be 0:04:49.640 --> 0:04:53.599 excitedly sitting and listening driving. I think most of you drive, driving, 0:04:53.880 --> 0:04:56.840 commuting in some way, going I know that name? Why 0:04:56.880 --> 0:04:59.360 do I know that name? Why does Robert Jason Owen 0:04:59.480 --> 0:05:03.359 sounds so familiar? Well, friends will talk about that. Not 0:05:03.480 --> 0:05:06.599 quite yet, but not yet, So just chill for a second. 0:05:07.360 --> 0:05:09.880 Can't get there. We will get there, I promise. Two 0:05:09.960 --> 0:05:12.640 days after Zeb disappeared, a phone call was placed by 0:05:12.720 --> 0:05:16.560 someone claiming to be Zeb to his place of work, Walmart, 0:05:16.760 --> 0:05:18.800 claiming to be sick so he wouldn't be into work. 0:05:19.440 --> 0:05:24.360 The coworker that he spoke to the call the Yeah. 0:05:24.400 --> 0:05:28.599 The coworker that was answering the call knew Zeb pretty 0:05:28.720 --> 0:05:31.040 well and decided that the voice didn't sound like him, 0:05:31.080 --> 0:05:33.599 even if he was sick, so he called the cops. 0:05:33.640 --> 0:05:36.240 Because by this point, it should be noted I just 0:05:36.320 --> 0:05:39.159 totally glossed over this. By this point, Zeb's mom had 0:05:39.279 --> 0:05:43.320 reported him missing it. And by the way, another version 0:05:43.320 --> 0:05:45.120 I heard of this is said the guy was suspicious. 0:05:45.120 --> 0:05:46.680 He didn't call the cops, but he did a star 0:05:46.760 --> 0:05:50.720 six nine on. Somehow him back and somebody answered, and 0:05:50.920 --> 0:05:53.839 then later on he told the police. But somehow the 0:05:53.960 --> 0:05:57.920 call was traced to a Volvo factory that happens that 0:05:57.960 --> 0:06:01.920 Owens worked at, and and uh. The cops questioned him 0:06:01.920 --> 0:06:05.320 and said, hey, dude, like was that here, Like what's 0:06:05.320 --> 0:06:08.359 going on? And Owen said, oh, no, zeb called me 0:06:08.400 --> 0:06:10.520 and he said he he needed me to call in 0:06:10.600 --> 0:06:13.120 to work for him, which like, if you're if you 0:06:13.120 --> 0:06:16.000 can use a phone, why don't you just call Walmart 0:06:16.120 --> 0:06:19.160 yourself and say, hey, I'm sick, I won't be in. 0:06:19.720 --> 0:06:21.920 I don't know why you call your friend to call 0:06:22.200 --> 0:06:26.120 the place. But I actually have an idea on that. 0:06:26.720 --> 0:06:30.720 I've had jobs where you had to call in within 0:06:31.480 --> 0:06:34.880 X amount of time of the before your start of 0:06:34.920 --> 0:06:38.400 your shift. So you couldn't call in four hours before 0:06:38.440 --> 0:06:41.200 your shift, but you could you had to call in 0:06:41.240 --> 0:06:44.000 at least you could call in two hours before your shift. 0:06:44.040 --> 0:06:47.160 So let's say you started ten early. You can't call 0:06:47.200 --> 0:06:49.680 in and say I can't come in is eight, So 0:06:49.760 --> 0:06:52.800 that I mean, I don't know what Walmart's policy is 0:06:52.920 --> 0:06:55.200 or what it was at that time, but I've been 0:06:55.240 --> 0:06:57.920 in jobs where you couldn't call You couldn't go out 0:06:57.920 --> 0:06:59.400 and have too much to drink and call in it 0:06:59.480 --> 0:07:01.520 two in the more so that you could keep drinking 0:07:01.960 --> 0:07:04.320 kind of situation, which is why those policies were in 0:07:04.360 --> 0:07:07.320 place so people don't pull that garbage. Sure, that's fair. Okay, 0:07:07.400 --> 0:07:10.120 that's a good thought, thanks Steve. Yeah, it doesn't make 0:07:10.160 --> 0:07:13.120 any sense to me. Still, I agree. But hey, two 0:07:13.160 --> 0:07:15.720 weeks after he disappeared, his car showed up. It was 0:07:15.760 --> 0:07:18.520 parked in a parking lot of a restaurant called The 0:07:18.600 --> 0:07:22.720 Little Pigs Barbecue Barbecue. Which is that a Is that 0:07:22.800 --> 0:07:25.400 a franchise? Is that what you're saying or do you 0:07:25.400 --> 0:07:27.400 know of it? No? I have no idea. I just 0:07:28.120 --> 0:07:32.560 Little Pigs Barbecue. I like barbecue. Anyways. This restaurant is 0:07:32.680 --> 0:07:38.160 right next to a hospital that happens to employ Zeb's grandma, mom, 0:07:38.200 --> 0:07:42.440 and sister. They all worked in a neonatal care unit there. Nurses, 0:07:42.480 --> 0:07:47.320 I'm guessing, okay. A hotel key card, uh, several plastic 0:07:47.400 --> 0:07:51.560 empty drink bottles, hair, a jacket not belonging to Zeb, 0:07:51.720 --> 0:07:55.920 and a three month old Labrador mixed puppy were found 0:07:56.640 --> 0:08:01.600 in the car by the puppy. Yeah, on the rear windshield, 0:08:01.680 --> 0:08:05.640 somebody had drawn large lips with two exclamation points in lipstick, 0:08:06.240 --> 0:08:09.360 and the driver's side seat was adjusted for someone who 0:08:09.400 --> 0:08:12.080 was much shorter than Zeb. How how do you know 0:08:12.120 --> 0:08:16.560 how tall Zeb was? He was like six two, I 0:08:16.600 --> 0:08:19.840 think I want to say, Okay, I never saw I 0:08:21.560 --> 0:08:23.880 never remember seeing it specifically, you know what, No, maybe 0:08:23.920 --> 0:08:27.920 he was like five ten. There's not much a taller 0:08:27.960 --> 0:08:32.360 guy taller, not taller. By the way, the jacket that 0:08:32.480 --> 0:08:34.439 was found, was that a man's jacket or a women's jack. 0:08:34.520 --> 0:08:37.680 I wasn't able to find that information. Again, it's always 0:08:37.679 --> 0:08:40.079 listed as a jacket, yep, just as a jacket not 0:08:40.160 --> 0:08:42.880 belonging to him. I also wasn't able to find any 0:08:42.920 --> 0:08:45.040 height information for any of the people who have been 0:08:45.040 --> 0:08:48.040 implicated in this case. I've actually found a little bit 0:08:48.040 --> 0:08:50.199 on that. Okay, great, we'll talk about that in a minute. 0:08:50.200 --> 0:08:53.600 Then too. Forensic evidence was collected at um from the 0:08:53.640 --> 0:08:56.439 car at the scene, but nothing ever really came of it. 0:08:56.640 --> 0:08:59.720 And don't worry. Don't worry unless we get side tracked. 0:09:00.000 --> 0:09:03.000 One of the investigators adopted the puppy, so the puppies okay, 0:09:03.120 --> 0:09:05.520 well that's good, but don't worry about when shining spot 0:09:05.520 --> 0:09:09.360 in this story, one of the puppy. Though they find 0:09:09.360 --> 0:09:12.440 any any pooper or urine in the car, there's no 0:09:12.520 --> 0:09:14.960 mention of that. Yeah, I haven't seen any either, but 0:09:15.080 --> 0:09:18.839 that would indicate how long the dog would be. Yeah, 0:09:18.920 --> 0:09:21.320 I don't think there wasn't any mention of that. The 0:09:21.320 --> 0:09:25.520 implication that I had that it was fairly recent and 0:09:25.559 --> 0:09:28.880 it's it's the thing is I think that it's the 0:09:28.880 --> 0:09:30.400 dog could have been in the car. The car could 0:09:30.400 --> 0:09:33.520 have been there for hours without an issue. Because we're 0:09:33.520 --> 0:09:38.880 talking January Asheville. It's going to be cold, but it's 0:09:38.920 --> 0:09:42.640 not freezing cold, so therefore it's not like it would 0:09:42.679 --> 0:09:44.199 be a hot summer day where in an hour and 0:09:44.200 --> 0:09:48.760 a half a dog would expire. Yeah, luckily for the puppy. Yeah. 0:09:48.800 --> 0:09:51.160 Another interesting thing that we're going to talk about as 0:09:51.200 --> 0:09:54.880 it pertains to this story is Zeb's aunt and kind 0:09:54.880 --> 0:10:00.240 of girlfriend. Not they're not the same person. I'm sorry 0:09:59.200 --> 0:10:03.320 the wa clarification. Yeah, yeah, Yeah. The relationship with the 0:10:03.360 --> 0:10:08.400 sort of girlfriend is kind of nebulous. Yeah, a relationship. Yeah, 0:10:08.440 --> 0:10:13.079 Apparently Zeb had kind of started a relationship slash friendship 0:10:13.200 --> 0:10:16.880 with this girl named Misty. Misty had a boyfriend who, 0:10:16.920 --> 0:10:20.800 according to Zeb, was abusive. There's not a whole lot 0:10:20.840 --> 0:10:23.960 of information about Misty out there. I did read that 0:10:24.160 --> 0:10:27.160 she had a kid with her boyfriend, but I can't 0:10:27.200 --> 0:10:31.240 confirm that through other sources. On the Wikipedia page it 0:10:31.400 --> 0:10:35.760 says her boyfriend's name is Wesley, which just that's what 0:10:35.800 --> 0:10:42.840 I've heard too. But I also I always this is 0:10:42.840 --> 0:10:45.400 one of my hard things with retellings of stories, and 0:10:45.400 --> 0:10:48.120 then they go through like forums and whatnot, is everybody 0:10:48.160 --> 0:10:52.360 says the boyfriend was abusive. That could have been as 0:10:52.480 --> 0:10:56.960 simple as he was a jerk, and the way that 0:10:57.040 --> 0:11:00.280 it was described as ZEB he then translates that into 0:11:00.320 --> 0:11:04.840 abusive or some low variant that, and then the retellings 0:11:04.880 --> 0:11:07.720 turns out that he's basically a wife beater. Like I 0:11:07.760 --> 0:11:10.200 wanted people to keep that in mind. We don't know 0:11:10.720 --> 0:11:12.960 really what this guy did. For all we know he 0:11:13.160 --> 0:11:17.640 swore at her, and ZEB equated that to something else. Yeah, 0:11:17.800 --> 0:11:25.400 next up, is I a you tish anyways that Zeb's aren't. 0:11:25.679 --> 0:11:29.680 And though he she hadn't spoken to him in years, 0:11:31.040 --> 0:11:33.280 is that true? I thought they just didn't speak often. 0:11:34.320 --> 0:11:37.480 I read years, but often could be possible to the 0:11:38.040 --> 0:11:40.480 description that I read most frequently is that they were 0:11:40.679 --> 0:11:44.520 kind of estranged. They weren't. Again, this is the same 0:11:44.559 --> 0:11:48.840 thing as the abuse. This thing has been retold so 0:11:48.880 --> 0:11:51.679 many times that it's easy to read something like that 0:11:51.720 --> 0:11:54.400 and believe that's cast iron. They haven't talked in years, 0:11:54.800 --> 0:11:56.280 and it could be they just talked once in a 0:11:56.280 --> 0:11:59.240 while when they see each other. On the night in question, 0:11:59.400 --> 0:12:02.720 January second, apparently I know was having dinner with her 0:12:02.760 --> 0:12:08.040 friend Tamara, who happens to be Misty's mom. And it's unclear, 0:12:08.160 --> 0:12:12.439 but it's possible that Misty and Wesley were also at 0:12:12.440 --> 0:12:14.679 the dinner at Anna's house. I started to do this. 0:12:14.840 --> 0:12:17.760 I've heard it was dinner elsewhere, not her house. I've 0:12:17.800 --> 0:12:21.600 actually seen that. I've seen it. Well again, it's I've 0:12:21.640 --> 0:12:24.240 seen it both places. This is yeah, this is the 0:12:24.320 --> 0:12:26.600 hard it's a hard. Part of this case is yeah, 0:12:26.720 --> 0:12:29.120 I think I think, you know on balance, having seen 0:12:29.160 --> 0:12:31.440 it both ways. But I know that she also the 0:12:31.520 --> 0:12:35.920 next day report that place has been broken into. So 0:12:36.080 --> 0:12:38.559 if there were four people there, so that's why I 0:12:38.640 --> 0:12:40.439 think that probably they were, she was not home, and 0:12:40.480 --> 0:12:42.720 they were all having their dinner else It does make sense, 0:12:42.840 --> 0:12:45.880 based on circumstances that I know. Joe started to go 0:12:45.920 --> 0:12:48.520 into it, it would make sense that they weren't at 0:12:48.559 --> 0:12:52.720 her house, but having dinner. Having dinner could be anywhere 0:12:53.800 --> 0:12:57.480 The reason that it's interesting to mention this, this whole 0:12:57.480 --> 0:13:00.880 family girl family conundrum, is the they were able to 0:13:00.920 --> 0:13:05.920 track the phone that the page to Zeb's pager where 0:13:05.960 --> 0:13:09.680 that came from, and it came from Mina's landline at home. 0:13:10.280 --> 0:13:14.120 So whether they were home or not is a fairly 0:13:14.200 --> 0:13:17.080 important question, but one that I was never able to 0:13:17.080 --> 0:13:21.079 pin down, and apparently near the regain. And I had 0:13:21.120 --> 0:13:23.760 heard that it was at a later date that she 0:13:23.800 --> 0:13:26.280 filed the police report, not she didn't do it, it 0:13:26.360 --> 0:13:28.480 was I heard that it wasn't I didn't. I didn't 0:13:28.559 --> 0:13:30.640 understand it to be that evening or the day after 0:13:30.760 --> 0:13:32.880 I I understood it to be a few days later. 0:13:33.640 --> 0:13:37.400 But agree with that and the police report that she filed, 0:13:37.480 --> 0:13:40.200 she said, somebody broke into my house and they said, oh, well, 0:13:40.240 --> 0:13:42.520 what's missing, and she said nothing, There's just a few 0:13:42.720 --> 0:13:46.440 pictures moved around. That's a little strange, yeah, which could 0:13:46.520 --> 0:13:48.840 literally mean somebody that has a key to my house 0:13:48.840 --> 0:13:51.280 in the family came over to see me, came in 0:13:51.320 --> 0:13:53.800 the house. I wasn't there. They bumped some stuff around 0:13:53.880 --> 0:13:57.160 and then they left, or I bumped into something when 0:13:57.160 --> 0:13:59.959 I was drunk one night on accident and forgot had happened. 0:14:00.600 --> 0:14:03.479 I noticed that it was different, and then they said, hey, 0:14:03.520 --> 0:14:07.280 somebody paged you're missing nephew from your phone? You know 0:14:07.320 --> 0:14:09.559 anything about that? And you go, Now my house was 0:14:09.600 --> 0:14:12.800 broken into. I don't know anything. Yeah, that's that's that's. 0:14:12.800 --> 0:14:15.240 It does seem a little strange, the thing about her 0:14:15.960 --> 0:14:18.520 putting up such a stone wall about the phone call. 0:14:19.120 --> 0:14:21.920 To me, it's so funny is that in this is 0:14:21.960 --> 0:14:25.600 two thousand. Of course we've got phones that have memory, 0:14:25.720 --> 0:14:28.960 so it very easily could have been that Zeb's phone 0:14:29.080 --> 0:14:33.240 pager number was the last would have been with a Z, 0:14:33.920 --> 0:14:37.480 the last thing in her phone book, and she went 0:14:37.560 --> 0:14:39.720 too far, scrolled too far, and then hit the send 0:14:39.760 --> 0:14:42.360 button and then realized what was going on and and 0:14:42.520 --> 0:14:44.240 stopped the call. I mean, that's do you know what 0:14:44.320 --> 0:14:46.720 I'm saying? Yeah, But I think the way he reacted 0:14:46.760 --> 0:14:50.640 to the page indicated that something there was something more. 0:14:50.840 --> 0:14:52.880 Usually your page comes up with the number and then 0:14:53.400 --> 0:14:58.000 some kind of me the input message was if there was, 0:14:58.640 --> 0:15:01.360 I don't think anybody knows that, and not I don't 0:15:01.400 --> 0:15:05.920 think all pages are even capable of having actually additional anything, 0:15:05.960 --> 0:15:08.440 So it could have just been the number. That's that's fine, 0:15:08.800 --> 0:15:11.280 and that's what that's where I'm leading to, is that 0:15:11.320 --> 0:15:14.720 there wasn't anything input. It was just a crap I'm 0:15:14.760 --> 0:15:18.480 calling the page er and Zeb of course doesn't understand that, 0:15:18.600 --> 0:15:21.240 so then he immediately, well I never hear from her. 0:15:21.320 --> 0:15:23.840 I gotta go figure out what's going on. Yeah, that's fair. 0:15:24.240 --> 0:15:27.000 The you know, the the other I guess not to 0:15:27.240 --> 0:15:29.600 you know, really go too far into it. But the 0:15:29.640 --> 0:15:32.480 suspicious part to me about her finally, that police report 0:15:32.600 --> 0:15:36.360 was I understand she specified it was around nine pm 0:15:36.640 --> 0:15:41.600 that her house got broken into that night. The window. Yeah, 0:15:41.840 --> 0:15:44.040 although you know, because if somebody just moved the pictures around, 0:15:44.080 --> 0:15:46.200 I don't know how you would know when somebody broke 0:15:46.240 --> 0:15:48.440 into your house. But it just depends on how many 0:15:48.440 --> 0:15:50.000 hours you've been gone. I mean, if you were gone 0:15:50.000 --> 0:15:52.960 from eight thirty to nine thirty, then obviously not. Yeah, 0:15:53.000 --> 0:15:54.800 but it seems like it would take a little long, 0:15:55.000 --> 0:15:58.400 short dinner. That's pretty brief dinner. Yeah. Miss and Wesley 0:15:58.440 --> 0:16:02.440 deny involvement in the case at all, which you know, 0:16:02.480 --> 0:16:04.400 if they were at the home, there's a smart thing 0:16:04.440 --> 0:16:07.400 to do. And they did both give samples for DNA 0:16:07.480 --> 0:16:11.280 testing against the samples that were found both in the car. No, 0:16:11.480 --> 0:16:12.760 just in the car, because that was the only place 0:16:12.760 --> 0:16:14.560 there were samples that were found in the car, and 0:16:14.680 --> 0:16:20.600 there were no matches in the puppy. No, they did, 0:16:20.760 --> 0:16:26.000 but they did. No. Apparently they kept like clippings of 0:16:26.040 --> 0:16:29.240 the dog's hair just in case, in case there was 0:16:29.280 --> 0:16:32.120 some trace evidence on him they could find out later. 0:16:32.960 --> 0:16:37.520 Investigators agree that there was probably more than one person 0:16:37.640 --> 0:16:40.880 involved in the disappearance of zeb Quinn, and his family 0:16:41.480 --> 0:16:44.400 is pretty sure that he was He was murdered that night. 0:16:44.720 --> 0:16:47.800 According to his mother, he didn't have anything extra with him, 0:16:47.920 --> 0:16:50.640 no money or clothes or he wore contact lenses. He 0:16:50.640 --> 0:16:54.360 didn't have any contact lenses or anything like that. Yeah, 0:16:54.440 --> 0:16:56.640 it's and it's certainly possible that he had gotten some 0:16:56.760 --> 0:16:59.760 He did have a job, but we worked at Longart 0:16:59.800 --> 0:17:02.520 because a shoplifted tons he could have that's true. But 0:17:02.720 --> 0:17:06.199 I from everything I've read about zeb I'm willing to 0:17:06.240 --> 0:17:09.760 believe her. Well, he seems like a pretty upright kid. Yeah, 0:17:09.920 --> 0:17:12.240 and it seemed like a good kid. No, I mean, yeah, 0:17:12.280 --> 0:17:14.560 why I run away? Yeah No, No, that makes sense, 0:17:15.040 --> 0:17:18.879 absolutely no sense. So that's that's the story. That's literally 0:17:18.920 --> 0:17:23.040 everything we know. Theories since Joe's kind of going there already. Yeah, 0:17:23.840 --> 0:17:26.240 well I was, and in fairness, I was kind of 0:17:27.240 --> 0:17:30.320 setting up for that. Yeah. The first theory is that 0:17:30.400 --> 0:17:33.679 Zeb ran away, which actually I I totally believe it 0:17:33.720 --> 0:17:36.120 because he worked at Walmart. He would have been able 0:17:36.160 --> 0:17:38.560 to keep me to the lifetime supply of food and 0:17:38.600 --> 0:17:42.600 other stuff. He was definitely in the black market contact 0:17:42.720 --> 0:17:47.320 lens solution probably, Yeah, totally totally makes sense. No, I 0:17:47.359 --> 0:17:49.639 don't think. I don't think Zeb had any reason. As 0:17:49.640 --> 0:17:51.240 far as I can tell, he was a happy kid, 0:17:51.280 --> 0:17:53.560 and he had nothing in the kate he had a 0:17:53.600 --> 0:17:58.160 reason to know. Okay, ready, next theory is that Zeb 0:17:58.240 --> 0:18:03.040 and Misty ran away to get the lover's got it. 0:18:03.240 --> 0:18:06.840 So if you choose to believe what Owen says at 0:18:06.880 --> 0:18:09.480 face value right that he had two car accidents in 0:18:09.520 --> 0:18:14.240 one day somehow, then it could it could make sense 0:18:14.359 --> 0:18:17.680 that Misty and Zeb ran away together. The theory kind 0:18:17.680 --> 0:18:20.720 of goes that, you know, Misty had been being abused 0:18:20.720 --> 0:18:26.119 by Wesley. She had had enough, so she paged Zeb 0:18:26.240 --> 0:18:30.640 from Aina's phone because they were there, and said, come 0:18:30.680 --> 0:18:33.960 get me, come get me, basically, and so Zeb hurried off, 0:18:34.119 --> 0:18:38.200 really ready to just do whatever she shining armor, picked 0:18:38.200 --> 0:18:41.679 her up, took her to a hotel, explains the hotel 0:18:41.720 --> 0:18:46.040 car key or the hotel card key not. Have you 0:18:46.080 --> 0:18:49.240 ever seen a card keeper hotel. It didn't have the 0:18:49.240 --> 0:18:52.920 hotel's name on it. I have, yeah, the really cheap 0:18:52.920 --> 0:18:57.240 one about to say they are the super cheaper at 0:18:57.359 --> 0:19:00.679 the white key. They don't have a number on them, 0:19:00.680 --> 0:19:04.240 they don't have anything, just a white card. Yeah, so 0:19:04.400 --> 0:19:06.720 Ze picked her up. They hold up in a hotel 0:19:06.800 --> 0:19:09.880 for a couple of days. Wesley finds that he buys 0:19:09.880 --> 0:19:11.199 her a dog. I don't know. I don't know how 0:19:11.200 --> 0:19:15.040 the dogs involved. I gotta be really the biggest mystery here. Yeah, 0:19:15.040 --> 0:19:17.080 he he buys her a dog, I guess, or something, 0:19:17.400 --> 0:19:20.040 or she already had the dog maybe. I think that 0:19:20.119 --> 0:19:22.320 would have mentioned that, you think so. I think she 0:19:22.320 --> 0:19:25.240 would have said, oh my dog maybe, or somebody would 0:19:25.240 --> 0:19:26.800 have said, yeah, missy had a dog for a while 0:19:26.880 --> 0:19:29.159 and now she doesn't. If if where we're heading in 0:19:29.200 --> 0:19:32.480 this theory is correct, she would have shut her mouth 0:19:32.520 --> 0:19:36.760 about her missing three month old puppy because it would 0:19:36.760 --> 0:19:39.159 have been in the car. Yeah, well, she wouldn't have 0:19:39.160 --> 0:19:42.280 said anything if if if the theory were running through 0:19:42.520 --> 0:19:44.960 is correct, she wouldn't have, but somebody else would have 0:19:45.000 --> 0:19:48.439 probably mentioned to somebody, Hey didn't Missy's dog went missing, 0:19:48.440 --> 0:19:52.040 and that like miss dogs bad. They didn't have Facebook, 0:19:52.040 --> 0:19:56.800 and ye kind of incriminating pictures out there. We did have. 0:19:57.200 --> 0:20:02.800 My Space sucked, well, people didn't. People didn't post of 0:20:02.960 --> 0:20:08.679 my Space is often because camera phones were not as common. 0:20:08.840 --> 0:20:11.359 That's true, I remember, and you never could tell what 0:20:11.440 --> 0:20:15.160 the picture was. That's true. Anyways, The theory continues on 0:20:15.320 --> 0:20:19.560 that Wesley either found out of his own volition or 0:20:19.920 --> 0:20:23.520 Misty decided, oh I miss my kid who somehow was 0:20:24.080 --> 0:20:27.440 being taken care of by parents, or if the kid 0:20:27.480 --> 0:20:32.320 even existed, or she called Wesley and was like, yeah, 0:20:32.359 --> 0:20:35.040 I think so too. I'm sorry, baby, I take you back. 0:20:35.240 --> 0:20:38.520 Come save me from zeb he's holding me hostage or whatever. 0:20:38.920 --> 0:20:41.879 Wesley comes, so they tell there's an altercation. He kills 0:20:42.200 --> 0:20:47.600 zeb In somehow, somehow accidentally or intentionally, They together Misty 0:20:47.640 --> 0:20:51.560 and Wesley disposed of the body. Then they take the 0:20:51.800 --> 0:20:56.320 car and drop it in really super weird mysterious circumstances 0:20:56.400 --> 0:20:59.800 for reasons unknown, instead of just like leaving it in 0:20:59.800 --> 0:21:03.560 the middle of the forest or the hotel or something. Well, 0:21:03.560 --> 0:21:06.800 that's that's intriguing because if you if you're driving around 0:21:06.800 --> 0:21:10.080 a car for two weeks it belongs to somebody who's disappeared, 0:21:10.200 --> 0:21:13.080 presuming murdered, that's kind of risky, don't you think. At 0:21:13.119 --> 0:21:14.720 the same time, it couldn't have been in that parking 0:21:14.760 --> 0:21:17.240 lot for a full two weeks with the puppy. It 0:21:17.240 --> 0:21:19.560 couldn't have probably even for a couple of days. To 0:21:19.600 --> 0:21:21.439 be honest with you, people notice if a dog's in 0:21:21.440 --> 0:21:24.160 a car. Yeah. Well, And and the other weird thing 0:21:24.240 --> 0:21:27.119 that I I came across and I couldn't I couldn't 0:21:27.160 --> 0:21:30.080 find the source of this. I found it repeated in 0:21:30.160 --> 0:21:32.840 some other places, but can never find the initial source. 0:21:33.200 --> 0:21:36.639 Is that there are reports that Misty was spotted in 0:21:36.880 --> 0:21:41.119 Zeb's car in Nashville. Yeah, I've heard that. Nashville is 0:21:41.160 --> 0:21:43.480 three hundred miles away, which is a four to five 0:21:43.600 --> 0:21:48.840 hour drive one way. How she was spotted I don't 0:21:48.880 --> 0:21:52.800 know in a city the size of Nashville. Yeah, but 0:21:52.880 --> 0:21:55.480 that's weird. I kind of discounted that. Oh yeah, no, 0:21:55.560 --> 0:22:00.680 I don't, but it's a weird. It's one of those rumors. 0:22:00.800 --> 0:22:03.760 I guess it is the best way to put it, Huh. Yeah, 0:22:03.760 --> 0:22:05.919 I don't. I don't play any side, which you know, 0:22:06.000 --> 0:22:11.439 Misty is a very common name. The other part, the 0:22:11.440 --> 0:22:16.520 other variant, yeah, variant on this theory is that Zeb's 0:22:16.560 --> 0:22:21.680 interest and advances were misinterpreted by Misty or by Wesley 0:22:21.920 --> 0:22:25.359 as kind of stalking behavior. Because we've all we've all 0:22:25.400 --> 0:22:27.080 been there. Do you remember when you were like an 0:22:27.160 --> 0:22:29.720 old like a you know, seventeen eight year old kid, 0:22:29.760 --> 0:22:32.520 you would get obsessed with somebody and you would be like, well, 0:22:32.520 --> 0:22:34.320 it would be so romantic if I would just go 0:22:34.400 --> 0:22:36.600 stand outside their door all day to show them how 0:22:36.680 --> 0:22:39.439