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Speaker 1: Think Team Sideways. I don't. You've never known stories of

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Speaker 1: things we simply don't know the answer to. Hey, guys,

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Speaker 1: welcome Thinking Sideways, the podcast Team Sideways here to solve

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Speaker 1: a mystery for you. I'm Devin, joined this time by

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Speaker 1: Joe and Steve, as opposed to the other times, which

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Speaker 1: is where I am Joe, I'm Steve. Yep, that's true.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna have to adjust the way you talk to

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Speaker 1: and way slower. I can't help the rate I have

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Speaker 1: my speech patterns at this week, we're going to talk

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Speaker 1: about something that was requested by a number of people. Uh,

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Speaker 1: lots and lots of people. It's pretty much since we

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Speaker 1: and we've been saying no, no, I wouldn't say we

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Speaker 1: But there's been a recent development there has so we're

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Speaker 1: reason why we're gonna talk about the disappearance of zeb

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Speaker 1: Quinn nine pm on January two, two thousand, Zeb Quinn

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Speaker 1: finishes his shift at Walmart. He's eighteen years old, and

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Speaker 1: he and his friend Robert Jason Owens decided to go

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Speaker 1: look at a car that Zeb has been thinking about buying.

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Speaker 1: They converse about it quickly for a minute in the

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Speaker 1: stopped making me feel old. So they pull over and

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Speaker 1: Zeb hops out of the car and he says he's

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Speaker 1: Now I read that he actually drove back somewhere to

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Speaker 1: Little Pigs Barbecue Barbecue. Which is that a Is that

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Speaker 1: their homicide table by murder weapon, and the category is

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00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:57,879
Speaker 1: called hands, fists, feet, And I checked the most recent

425
00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:00,520
Speaker 1: time I checked that not too long ago, and for

426
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:03,919
Speaker 1: the past five years, there's about averaging about eight hundred

427
00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 1: deaths a year, eight hundred homicides a year just bare hands.

428
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 1: That's crazy. Yeah, it actually that's you know what I mean,

429
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,919
Speaker 1: rifles death by all kinds of all rifles of all kinds,

430
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:17,200
Speaker 1: including those deadly assault rifles, is more like in maybe

431
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 1: three hundred a year something like that. Yeah, more people

432
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 1: just get beaten to death. Especially people don't don't think

433
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:27,440
Speaker 1: it's super dangerous. But you don't think that of your

434
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:29,639
Speaker 1: body when you're using it as a weapon. Yeah, no,

435
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,320
Speaker 1: it's Yeah, you can have a cerebral hamor rage and everything.

436
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 1: Although you know, again I've mentioned before, I'll mention again,

437
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:40,160
Speaker 1: I don't have any information on Wesley's size versus zeb side.

438
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,720
Speaker 1: I don't know if that would have been something that

439
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 1: would have been possible or even probable. I don't know

440
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:50,200
Speaker 1: very I know very little about Wesley and his temperament.

441
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 1: I don't know. You know, again, if he just interpreted

442
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,719
Speaker 1: Wesley being a little bit of a jerk to Misty

443
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 1: as being highly abusive behavior, or if he was actually

444
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:03,199
Speaker 1: physically abusive, or if he was just emotionally abusive, or

445
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 1: what that situation is, and the kind of mitigating factors

446
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 1: that would go into this being a likely theory. The well,

447
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:12,720
Speaker 1: the other thing that I'll throw in since we're on

448
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 1: this theory is that I did come across chatter on

449
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 1: the internet about that Zeb and Misty had had a

450
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 1: several hour long conversation on the phone the night before,

451
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:28,840
Speaker 1: which would have been the January one, New Year's Day. Well,

452
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:32,120
Speaker 1: if that was true, I would be interested to know

453
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 1: where that call was placed from. In other words, did

454
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 1: it come from Zeb's aunt's house, did it come from

455
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:42,439
Speaker 1: her mom? Like, you know, to try and try and

456
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 1: tighten up the circle a little bit on on some

457
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,959
Speaker 1: of this. Yeah, I've never been able to Again. This

458
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 1: is another one of those ones where he I see

459
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 1: it in places, but I never can find where it

460
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 1: originated from. Yeah, it really would be nice to be

461
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,640
Speaker 1: able to get ahold of the police files because I

462
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:00,959
Speaker 1: I assume they've checked all this stuff out. Well it's

463
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 1: I mean, it's an active case. Yeah, I know that's why,

464
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 1: because I don't think we said it yet. But a

465
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:13,360
Speaker 1: body nothing, Yeah, nothing, although somebodies have recently showed up.

466
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 1: We'll talk about that a minute. The next theory is

467
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:19,959
Speaker 1: that Zeb was lured to the aunt's house by an

468
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 1: angry Wesley variant another variant, Yeah, and I think it's unlikely,

469
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 1: particularly because all Wesley would have had to do is

470
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 1: pretend to be misty, and it seems that Zeb would

471
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 1: have gone anywhere for her. He could have learned him

472
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 1: out into the middle of the four I mean it

473
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 1: could have been anywhere. Why picked the aunt's house. Yeah,

474
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 1: that is a little a little strange. I mean I

475
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 1: could see where she could she hear that. Somebody could

476
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 1: could have broken in and the and then dial this

477
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:49,880
Speaker 1: page or and that. Way. You don't have say, say

478
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 1: you're Wesley, you want to murder, beat beat him seriously

479
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 1: or talk to him? Yeah, start out talking to him. Yeah,

480
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 1: maybe you don't want to have you die les page

481
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 1: from your number. Yeah, but pay phones are a thing.

482
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 1: The thing, though, is that if if you want to

483
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:16,160
Speaker 1: lure somebody unsuspecting into a confrontation, you lure them somewhere

484
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 1: that you entice them to go somewhere that's familiar. You've

485
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 1: thought about this before, haven't you? Oh? Of course, of course.

486
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 1: I mean I never was going to tell you guys

487
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 1: to meet me at the rock Quarry. But no, I

488
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 1: mean you you would say, okay, Well I could say

489
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 1: meet me at the Piggly Wiggly, which is on the

490
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 1: exact opposite side of town. Or I could say, hey, come,

491
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 1: you know, just do it from this phone number, Come

492
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,679
Speaker 1: meet me. Zab doesn't know exactly who it is, but

493
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 1: he knows the phone number, so he would go there.

494
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 1: Because this is the day and age when you still

495
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 1: knew phone numbers, so he would automatically he may not

496
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 1: know who it was and just go be an easy

497
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 1: way to get somebody there. Yeah, that's fair, that's a

498
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 1: fair point. You're ready to go into the next area. Oh,

499
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 1: let's have this one. As I mentioned that Robert Jason

500
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 1: Owens has been in the news a little bit lately,

501
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,639
Speaker 1: right that there's some cheering from the people who are listening.

502
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 1: I can hear it. I hear it. So this theory

503
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 1: is Zeb was killed by Robert Jason Owens. And the

504
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,640
Speaker 1: reason this is a pretty good theory is a lot

505
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 1: of reasons. There was a check in at the hospital

506
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 1: with the broken ribs and the head injury. Well, to

507
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 1: start with Owen, the counting of the events that led

508
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:35,879
Speaker 1: up to Zeb's disappearance are questionable at best, and also

509
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 1: only of his own words. Yeah, he's the only one.

510
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 1: He's only with the exception. The last time anybody can

511
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 1: corroborate where Zeb was is with the surveillance tape at

512
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 1: nine fifteen at the gas station. So the whole and

513
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 1: he did he did get a page the truth about

514
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 1: the truth about that, But you can't corroborate that zeb

515
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 1: went anywhere. Can't corroborate anything else. You can definitely can't

516
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 1: corroborate the fact that Owens got into a separate car accident.

517
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 1: There's there's a whole host of questions that I have

518
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 1: around Owens that I know we're unanswered, and I don't

519
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 1: know if you want me to ask those questions now

520
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 1: or later. Let's do it later, because I want to

521
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 1: say that not only is this questionable accounting a thing,

522
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 1: but it turns out that Robert Jason Owens is an

523
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 1: actual total murderer, kind of documented, an actual convicted murderer.

524
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 1: He's not convicted yet. I think they only they only

525
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 1: arrested him in March, right, Yeah, trial is not done

526
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 1: yea as of the day of this recording. Yeah, but

527
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 1: the evidence and he's not convicted. I doubt that he's

528
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 1: going to get off because it's kind of admitted to

529
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 1: one of the killings, and they found some pretty damning

530
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 1: evidence they did. Do you. I don't know if either

531
00:29:55,280 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 1: of you know who Christie cod is. You did not know? Okay.

532
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 1: Christie was a finalist on the Food Network competition The

533
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 1: Next Food Network Star, and she and her husband j

534
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 1: t Cod as well as her unborn child, were murdered

535
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 1: by Owens. Not I won't go I won't go into

536
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 1: too much brutally, by the end of it, they fit

537
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 1: into a fireplace, wood stove, what stove, and they didn't.

538
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 1: They didn't fit all at once, And reportedly he murdered

539
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 1: them on a Thursday and then broke into their house

540
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 1: and stole a laptop, jewelry and a handcun I think

541
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 1: it was on Friday or Saturday. Yeah, something like that

542
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 1: A while after yea, so basically hack hack hack. Oh

543
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 1: hey yeah, not quite the whole thing about breaking into

544
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 1: their house. I mean, because he would have had access

545
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 1: to their keys, right you would assume, but did he

546
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 1: just did he access the house through the key? I

547
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 1: have no idea super active investigation happening right now. Yeah.

548
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 1: He also spent I think it was twenty three months

549
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 1: in jail within a few years after zeb disappeared for

550
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 1: unrelated charges. I was never really able to to be fair,

551
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 1: I didn't like go access his actual criminal history and

552
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: all that. It wasn't like no, no, and it wasn't

553
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,239
Speaker 1: like a murder or something. It was all kind of

554
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 1: there's a drunk driving thing and then there was one

555
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 1: where another one where was driving drunk and he got

556
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 1: in the chase with the police and he was shooting

557
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 1: out of him. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, he shot at the cops.

558
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: Brilliant not a model citizen. So I guess the question

559
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 1: is kind of asked, could he I mean, could they

560
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 1: have gotten into a fight? Could Zeb kind of what

561
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 1: I was saying, could Zeb of you know, accidentally reinded

562
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 1: him and hopped out and said, oh my gosh, I'm

563
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 1: so sorry, and he It seems like this guy has

564
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 1: a little bit of a temper, maybe a little bit.

565
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 1: Could he have flown into a rage? Yeah, flown into

566
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 1: a rage? Would that explain also his injuries? Well that's yeah.

567
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 1: Kind of what I'm thinking is that Zeb, you know,

568
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 1: he attacks zeb Zeb pot back and broke a few

569
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 1: ribs and dipped him in the face a few times.

570
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 1: But then then he picks up a big rock and

571
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 1: hits Zeb with it. You might not even even have

572
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 1: intentionally killed him. Yeah, as we talked about, you can

573
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 1: punch somebody, one punch just the wrong way, and that's

574
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 1: all it takes. Yeah, I think the key to solving

575
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 1: that mystery is to go for the police to go

576
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 1: look at their files, and I don't know if they

577
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 1: ever looked at this. You would hope that they did.

578
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 1: But what was the status? Uh, I once was driving

579
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 1: a pickup truck that night, correct, thank you. I believe

580
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 1: he was driving a pickup truck. So he got in

581
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 1: a serious enough wreck to go to the hospital with

582
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 1: broken bones, et cetera. So there's that truck. Should have

583
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 1: been pretty racked up, you would think. So did the

584
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 1: police ever look at that? Not as far as I

585
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 1: could tell. To dovetail on that question. When Zeb's car

586
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 1: was found to the barbecue joint, what condition was it in?

587
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 1: I mean, rear ending somebody can be as simple as

588
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 1: backing up and touching them, kissing bumpers, or wailing into

589
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 1: them at you know, at full throttle. So I never

590
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 1: saw anything that describes the damage to his car. I mean,

591
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 1: you can, like you said, you can just kiss a car,

592
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 1: you know, discuff some paint. I don't have the impression

593
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 1: that the car that Zeb was driving was in particularly

594
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 1: good condition. But you know, if if it's going to

595
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 1: be uh, correct me if I'm wrong, But I think

596
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 1: where Joe was kind of leading this was maybe it

597
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 1: was more of they had more than just a little

598
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 1: rear ending. But one of them hit the other and

599
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 1: caused an accident. Well, if one of them has broken

600
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 1: ribs and knocked up skull, both cars should show a

601
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 1: significant damage and be paint scrapings from one should be

602
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 1: on the other. I don't think that was what Joe

603
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 1: was saying. I thought he said that he meant the

604
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 1: injuries were sustained during a fight and so and so

605
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:08,399
Speaker 1: that you know, it could have been as simple as

606
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 1: a little scrape, and that would have been like, oh

607
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 1: my gosh, I'm so sorry, and Owen's the fight could

608
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,959
Speaker 1: have happened later on after But yeah, but I'm also

609
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 1: asking That's what I'm saying, is that is that if

610
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 1: you've got in the wrecked, it should be all His

611
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 1: truck should be wrecked up. Did the police look at it?

612
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 1: Because if you said he got in I wrecked, but

613
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:28,359
Speaker 1: his truck is perfectly straight and looking pretty good and undented, Well,

614
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 1: obviously you got the injuries somewhere else. Yeah, I presume

615
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 1: they looked at the truck, but I don't. I didn't

616
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 1: never see a record of it. I think that, you know, Actually,

617
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you the truth. I'm optimistic that

618
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 1: this is going to be going to be solved. I

619
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 1: am too, and I'll tell you why. But I wouldn't

620
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:44,399
Speaker 1: wait till the end if you want, or I can

621
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:45,839
Speaker 1: tell you now, you can tell us now, I'll tell

622
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 1: you now. I think that I think that he's he's

623
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 1: murdered three people Owen. That is he very likely it

624
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 1: is going to get the death penalty. And if I

625
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 1: were to judge in the case, I think I would

626
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,479
Speaker 1: I think I would tell him, look, offer him a plea.

627
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 1: Here's your deal. You can have life in prison rather

628
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 1: than death, but you gotta you gotta come clean on

629
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 1: zeb Quinn. Yeah, I think that seems to be the

630
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 1: general feeling. And you know, we're not done with this

631
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 1: episode because there's still lots of questions. Because I do

632
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 1: have some serious questions about if he did it. There

633
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: are a lot of other questions of things that happened

634
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:17,800
Speaker 1: in the night that I don't understand why that happened.

635
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: But I am also optimistic that in a plea bargain

636
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,840
Speaker 1: sort of situation, he will come clean about what happened

637
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 1: to Zeb at the very least, even if he didn't

638
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 1: do it, he will be able to provide many more

639
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 1: details or something like that, because I think the one

640
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 1: thing we haven't talked about is that he was sort

641
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 1: of cooperative in the first day that after zeb disappeared,

642
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:45,800
Speaker 1: and then he shut down and he was completely uncooperative

643
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 1: after that. So to kind of dovetail off of this.

644
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 1: The things that concerned me about the Owens did it

645
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:58,800
Speaker 1: theory is there there's no connection between Owens and Aina

646
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:03,359
Speaker 1: or Misty or or Wesley or Tamarra. So why did

647
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,319
Speaker 1: the page happen or was it just coincidental? Was it

648
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:10,839
Speaker 1: just coincidental or did accidental or accidental? But then why

649
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 1: would Iina lie and say somebody broke into my house

650
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 1: at that time? Again? I can I can tell you

651
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,319
Speaker 1: is that people are weird about the cops. They don't

652
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 1: like the cops around their place for whatever reason, and

653
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:27,800
Speaker 1: they'll just start coming up with excuses. I've seen people

654
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 1: do that a million times. Do I think that's what's

655
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 1: going on? No, but I can see that as oh

656
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 1: the five oh or here again, just tell him somebody

657
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 1: broke in, get him out of here. You know, maybe

658
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 1: somebody did break into but she didn't. But she it

659
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 1: was my impression that she she voluntarily submitted a police

660
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: report that her house was broken into. It wasn't my

661
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 1: impression that the cops showed up and she said, oh,

662
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,399
Speaker 1: somebody broke into my house. It was that A couple

663
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 1: of days later she said, oh, you know what, somebody

664
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 1: broke into my house. So that's weird. I don't know.

665
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, the timing doesn't change my

666
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 1: my idea. But but you're right, I mean that the

667
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 1: timing of when she decides to come forward with the

668
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 1: I've been broken into, he's a little weird. Yeah. And

669
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 1: if she was indeed broken into, and somehow, for some

670
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 1: reason or somehow Owen's broke into her house, even though

671
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 1: that seems super unlikely because he was with Zeb when

672
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 1: the page there, wouldn't. I don't have the impression that

673
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 1: there was time between the time that the page came

674
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 1: in and the time that they were seeing at the

675
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 1: gas station for him to go break into a house.

676
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 1: Page the guy unless Zeb didn't tell Owen's he had

677
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 1: to go on his own, but he went with him

678
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 1: and they both go to the aunt's house. The aunt

679
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 1: has since left to go to dinner. Zeb's got a key.

680
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,879
Speaker 1: I'm totally making this up. As I go, they walk

681
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 1: into the house. Owen's is just kind of walking around

682
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 1: poking things, just you know, killing time, while Zeb's looking

683
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,359
Speaker 1: for everybody. And then they locked the place up and leave,

684
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 1: and whatever happens after that happens. But of course the

685
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 1: house is now slightly different than when she left it

686
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:04,919
Speaker 1: after a day or two of looking around. Go wait

687
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 1: a minute, that picture is facing the wrong way. But

688
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 1: then she again said, I accidentally paged Zeb and then

689
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,799
Speaker 1: I left, and then she may not have realized that

690
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,359
Speaker 1: she page Zeb. I mean, how many people do you

691
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 1: know that that butt dial? That's not butt dialing, though

692
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 1: it is. If the phone is in the couch and

693
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 1: you're sitting on the couch and it's hitting the buttons,

694
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 1: that's a that's basically that's a couch dial. It's the

695
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 1: it's the old nineties for a two thousand phone version

696
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 1: of a butt dial. Maybe I guess it could happen

697
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 1: because the call would go through, it would hit the pager,

698
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 1: and then the pager would terminate the call and and

699
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 1: then give it a dead signal, and eventually the phone

700
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 1: would I presume, would have to shut itself off with

701
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 1: no signal. They usually just beat I'm thinking it was

702
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 1: more of not accorded phone. But why your list photos?

703
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 1: So the battery died? Is that what we're sorry? We're

704
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 1: I know we're so we're really going down. But um okay,

705
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 1: so okay, fine, And the next and the next big

706
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 1: question right is why dumped the car, particularly with a

707
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 1: bunch of stuff in it? Like what happened to the car?

708
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 1: The car might not have been dumps you might have

709
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 1: the person who was driving the car might have been

710
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 1: inside the little piggies. That's true. Yeah, that's definitely. Yeah.

711
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 1: Gally speaking, when I have in a restaurant, you know,

712
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: I have a nice dinner and I know its police

713
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 1: swarming around my car outside that I've stole. You're not

714
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 1: going to go out, just go out the back door. Yeah, yeah,

715
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 1: I guess the question. It seems like the lipstick note

716
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 1: on the back of the car. That seems like a note, right,

717
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 1: That doesn't seem like, Hey, I've stolen a car, so

718
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,240
Speaker 1: I'm gonna write some stuff on it and all that

719
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 1: that seems weird or more of a teenage gag. Well,

720
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 1: even then, you stole a car, you're not going to

721
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,800
Speaker 1: draw on it. But if but if friends are walking

722
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:57,799
Speaker 1: by and or young people and they think they know

723
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 1: that car. They would do that as it not two

724
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 1: weeks after somebody has been reported missing. The person in

725
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 1: possession of the car, I might not know that the

726
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 1: owner of the car because because let's say, oh it

727
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 1: was killed killed zeb and then sells the car. No

728
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 1: even sell it. He just leaves it in the parking

729
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 1: lot somewhere and with the keys in it, and then

730
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 1: somebody else comes along and steals it and just drives

731
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 1: it around for a week or two, because that's what

732
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 1: people you know, people around in a lot of places

733
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 1: where car theft is basically treated like you know, they

734
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 1: give you a tap on the wrist, you're not even

735
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 1: likely to go to change. Yeah, I guess my. My Still,

736
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 1: my argument is the lips with the exclamation points, like

737
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 1: why why why if you've stolen a car, even if

738
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 1: you've just stolen it out of a parking lot, you

739
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 1: don't decorate it like that. So then because why it's

740
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 1: not going to get The only thing that matters is

741
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 1: what's going to get you noticed by the police, are

742
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 1: pulled over by the police, and something like that. No,

743
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:49,800
Speaker 1: I won't necessarily get you, but you are going to

744
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 1: get more noticed. I don't think that that's going to

745
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,799
Speaker 1: put you on the red flag, I mean on the

746
00:40:56,800 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 1: cops radar, because we all see cars driving around with

747
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 1: stuff written on the windows from the volleyball team or

748
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,319
Speaker 1: the basketball team or whatever or whatever it is all

749
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 1: the time. I see that. I never read it. I

750
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 1: don't care. It doesn't It doesn't make anybody stand out

751
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:14,319
Speaker 1: to me, that's fair. But there's also not like a

752
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,399
Speaker 1: man hunt happened, like if if if like there could

753
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:19,359
Speaker 1: be a man hunt going on right now, and the

754
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 1: one that I went by today, I have no idea

755
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 1: because Asheville is not a teeny tiny town. No, but

756
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:27,359
Speaker 1: I guess I would. I would to put it in

757
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 1: like local perspective, I would say that the disappearance of

758
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 1: zeb Quinn is probably on part with the disappearance of

759
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 1: Karen Hormon. Yeah, you knew about that. And if somebody

760
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 1: were like, hey, keep an eye out for this car,

761
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 1: it's like associated with Again, how long did it take

762
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 1: for the Kiren Hormon story to gain enough traction that

763
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 1: everybody knew about it? Was it three days later? Was

764
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:54,240
Speaker 1: it a month later? I don't remember how long. Kids

765
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 1: are much quicker, but I'm just saying there's there's a

766
00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:01,320
Speaker 1: time scale here. So all right. The next question is, then,

767
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 1: if you have killed this guy, why, or even if

768
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 1: you haven't killed the guy, why two days later make

769
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: the phone call the Walmart. Yeah that's kind of inexplicable,

770
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 1: I know, and I don't understand that at all. So

771
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:16,279
Speaker 1: that those are my big three questions. Know, there's a

772
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 1: few more too, Well, those are just just pertaining specifically

773
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 1: to this theory. I have a lot of other questions

774
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:26,760
Speaker 1: for this case, but that's that theory. Well, there's also, uh,

775
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 1: one of your other questions, I know is why they

776
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 1: why were they going to look at a car at

777
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 1: nine pm? Yeah, and I don't know that we got

778
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 1: that from any anybody other than Robert Owens? Did we

779
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 1: that they were looking at they're going to car? I

780
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 1: don't know that the source was anybody but him. I

781
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 1: don't think that it was. But it's also possible I

782
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,879
Speaker 1: didn't see, but it's totally possible that it was corroborated

783
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 1: with by his coworkers, like his CoA like I'm gonna

784
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 1: go look at a car, or even his mom. I

785
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 1: can't remember if his mom ever knew where he was

786
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 1: going after work. Yeah, I want some kind of second

787
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:01,360
Speaker 1: source confirmation of that. He didn't report him missing until

788
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 1: the next morning, so I'm not given to understand that

789
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 1: she was expecting him right after work. Yeah, but you

790
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 1: know what it's funny is I've seen a lot of

791
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 1: people saying, why why were you looking at a car

792
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 1: at nine o'clock? At nine Oh my gosh, what the

793
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 1: hell possible? People have lodges, but like your lights. Yeah,

794
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 1: you're eighteen, and you don't work full time, like a

795
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 1: nine to five Monday through Friday. Find a different day

796
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 1: to go where you can actually take a look at

797
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:29,879
Speaker 1: the car or take it on the drive, or it's

798
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 1: not dark out and like weird in the middle of

799
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:33,880
Speaker 1: the winter. I don't know. But if but if you

800
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 1: if you go to somebody's house and they say, hey,

801
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 1: I've got yeah, the cars in the garage and you

802
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,400
Speaker 1: turn on the light, it's the same thing as coming

803
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:42,959
Speaker 1: over there nine o'clock in the morning when the sun

804
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 1: is shining, you can see the car, you can still

805
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:48,319
Speaker 1: take it for a test drive. All these things are

806
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 1: still viable scenarios. Os. Yeah, but this isn't a huge

807
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 1: part of the mystery. It's just kind of like a

808
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 1: weird I don't find the going to look a car

809
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 1: at a car at nine o'clock in that weird. But

810
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 1: again I don't know. Maybe because I'm a lady, I

811
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 1: don't I don't like doing things. I think that's it's

812
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 1: probably part of it. As a guy, i'd be like, oh,

813
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 1: it's eleven o'clock a night, Yeah, let's go look, let's

814
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 1: check out that carver? Not interested? Thank you? If it's

815
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 1: dark outside and there's not a lot of people around me, no,

816
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 1: thank you. My next question is where did that dog

817
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 1: come from from? Yeah? You guys are the worst, But seriously,

818
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 1: like what like I think they I think they made

819
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 1: some inqu is trying to figure out, like they talked

820
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 1: to breeders and shelters and and they couldn't track it down. Yeah,

821
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:41,879
Speaker 1: I don't know. There's a lot of puppies being born though,

822
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 1: it could just come from somebody, but it's still a weird,

823
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 1: a weird bit. And if it came from somebody, right, Like,

824
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 1: it's not as though again it's not as though there

825
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 1: weren't inquiries. It's not as though people weren't on the

826
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 1: news all the time saying hey, do you guys know

827
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 1: where this dog came from. It was weird put it

828
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 1: on the news, but you know it might not everybody

829
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 1: watches the news. It's fair, I understand, but but I mean,

830
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 1: this might be I might tie in with the hotel

831
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 1: key to the other question, and am I tieing with

832
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 1: the fact that they were driving this car around for

833
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:16,359
Speaker 1: two weeks and didn't get pulled over and busted, which

834
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 1: is that they might have been on it. They might

835
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 1: have been like out of town. They might have been trip.

836
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 1: They might have been road trip into god knows where,

837
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 1: and at some point along the way they stayed in

838
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,879
Speaker 1: a hotel, and sometimes at some point along the way

839
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 1: they picked up a puppy not in that town. So

840
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 1: that explains why no no breaders or shelters or anybody

841
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 1: else in that town would recognize the puppy. Although at

842
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 1: the same time, of course, if it wasn't just a

843
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 1: black lab puppy, then well sorry, yeah, it's all alike. Yeah,

844
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 1: that's true. I guess I don't know. I one of

845
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 1: the things that I wish I knew about this case

846
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 1: was things as simple as odometer readings, right that, granted,

847
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 1: his mom probably wouldn't know exactly what the odometer was

848
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 1: on his car. He's eighteen, he was a zone free kid.

849
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 1: But she would probably know like, oh, we had the

850
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 1: oil changed this longer and go to the place that

851
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 1: did the oil change or even I don't know it

852
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 1: had about this much on it. If he's driving, you know,

853
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:16,479
Speaker 1: to Nashville. If he's driving, if it's this long road trip,

854
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 1: that's happening, those miles are being racked up much quicker

855
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 1: than he would have just driving around normal day to

856
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 1: day life. I wish that was information that we had

857
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 1: because it would sign some light on what was going on,

858
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 1: at least with the car, if not with zev Man.

859
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 1: It might be it might be information that the police have,

860
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 1: at least, you know, if they're confident, because I'm sure

861
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:36,799
Speaker 1: they have the o'dominant reading, but I don't know if

862
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 1: they have like a difference or anything like that. It

863
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 1: just depends on things like did he get his oil

864
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 1: change to Jiffy versus doing it himself. Um, you know

865
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 1: that's changing now. You got to change there, and they

866
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 1: had that little sticker they stick in the windshield, you

867
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 1: got the odometer reading. They also keep records. Yeah, might

868
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 1: also changed his oil because especially when you're young, and

869
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 1: you know, young kind of broke. It's a lot cheaper

870
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 1: to change your road yourself. Yeah, lots of people don't

871
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 1: know how to do it. I mean again, I don't know.

872
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe he did. It's yeah, I can see a guy,

873
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:09,800
Speaker 1: you know, knowing how to do that. It's not rocket

874
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:13,319
Speaker 1: sign it's yeah really yeah, I mean I know how

875
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 1: to do it. I just choose not to because put

876
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 1: the bolt in, undo a thing, put the thing in

877
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 1: phil or use synthetic oil and never change it. Whatever

878
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:27,280
Speaker 1: you want to do. Actually, I mostly go to Jiffy

879
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:29,280
Speaker 1: Live these days. But it's not because it's that hard,

880
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:30,959
Speaker 1: but just because I don't want to deal with getting

881
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: rid of the old oil. Yeah, that is. My next

882
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:38,839
Speaker 1: question is about the hotel, right, is that you know

883
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:41,319
Speaker 1: they couldn't ever figure out where the key card was from.

884
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 1: I don't know how key card technology works. None of

885
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:50,919
Speaker 1: our experts are experts in the hospitality business, unfortunately. Yeah,

886
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's so. In other words, you're

887
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:57,320
Speaker 1: saying there's no there's no way that they could have signature. Yeah,

888
00:47:57,640 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 1: it's a generic thing. I've I've seen him do it.

889
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 1: They they punched something and it just it's a magnetic

890
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 1: impression that then the card reader at the door knows

891
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 1: to pick up youation, does this frequency code, and does

892
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 1: the next one, and that there is, but there's nothing

893
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 1: unique like about the hotel itself. It's a it's a

894
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 1: magnetic signature that is probably in every card reader or

895
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 1: whatever the machine that that puts it into it, because

896
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 1: I've watched them just grabbing out of the stack that

897
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:35,360
Speaker 1: was probably discharged and just stick it into the machine

898
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 1: spits it out. It's yeah, so and but you know,

899
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 1: it's not that puzzling really because it's very likely the

900
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:47,799
Speaker 1: hotel is not even in Asheville, North Carolina. Yeah, that's

901
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 1: that's a fair point. You know, as we've talked about that.

902
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 1: While I was asking these questions, I kind of was like, oh, yeah,

903
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:55,919
Speaker 1: that's right. It could have been from not local. Yeah,

904
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:59,839
Speaker 1: it's not that many hotels that don't, you know, some

905
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 1: how put their name on the cards or anything like that.

906
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 1: It seems like, hey, let's do a three hundred mile

907
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 1: search radius for the hotels that don't have these specific

908
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 1: key cards. And to be fair, right, because it's a

909
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 1: very specific, especially in two thousand, it's a very specific

910
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 1: set of hotels because many of them still had the

911
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 1: actual physical keys that you have. It wasn't full key

912
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:26,840
Speaker 1: card technology yet. And then most of the ones that

913
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 1: had key cards were the nicer, more expensive hotels that

914
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 1: you've got their image on the back or whatever. So

915
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 1: it seems like it again this is because I'm not

916
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 1: a police officer, it seems like it would have been

917
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 1: at least worthwhile to figure out which of those hotels

918
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 1: were and see if you could pass a picture of

919
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 1: zeb around and say, hey, did you see this car

920
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 1: or did you see this guy. I'm gonna guess that

921
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 1: the pool of hotels that you are thinking is rather

922
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 1: small is quite large, because there is a lot in

923
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 1: any town. There is a huge number of cheaper hotels

924
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 1: that don't necessarily have the best clientele and therefore going

925
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 1: to go to the magnetic system because they can't use

926
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:15,799
Speaker 1: a true key because you know, they're getting stolen all

927
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 1: the time. But you know what, I'm not going to

928
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:23,240
Speaker 1: also invest in getting custom keys printed because that's not cheap.

929
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 1: And if they're stealing the regular keys, you're gonna steal

930
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 1: the electronic keys trying to use them on whatever. You know,

931
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:33,399
Speaker 1: I I'm not gonna go into cultures, but in terms

932
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:35,840
Speaker 1: of drug culture stuff. But people do this kind of

933
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:38,719
Speaker 1: weird stuff. So it's just screw it. We're going with

934
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 1: the cheapest one possible. Shut it down. Yeah. But the

935
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:44,880
Speaker 1: other thing, and I'm sure you guys don't know this,

936
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 1: the police know that they didn't. They didn't lift any

937
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 1: fingerprints off the hotel card. I've never seen anything like that.

938
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 1: They must have they did print it, but I didn't.

939
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 1: I didn't ever hear that. But the thing about it,

940
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 1: I mean, they could have lifted prints that just didn't

941
00:50:56,600 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 1: match anything. That has to be it, because I mean,

942
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 1: this is this is the other thing that will tell

943
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 1: you something significant about the whole thing. That is, if

944
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 1: they lifted no prints from the hotel key card, that

945
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:09,880
Speaker 1: means it was planted there deliberately. Yeah, it's a false clue.

946
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but they Yeah, Well, hopefully the police are

947
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 1: smart enough to figure that out there are no prints

948
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 1: on and hopefully they figured out that this is following

949
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 1: this thing as a waste of resources. That is scary. Actually,

950
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 1: that's a really scary thought. I hadn't thought about that.

951
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 1: I hadn't thought about somebody think taking the time to

952
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 1: white everything just plant stuff, plant stuff, you know, grab

953
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 1: a jacket from somebody off the bus and then drop

954
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:38,800
Speaker 1: a key card that's generic, and then wipe the car down. Gosh,

955
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 1: it would explain why it's such a random assortment of

956
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 1: stuff in the car, right, I'll throw up puppy in here,

957
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 1: and here's some drink bottles, and here's a key card

958
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:52,759
Speaker 1: and some weird random message on the back of the

959
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:55,759
Speaker 1: card and then drop it where. You know. The thing

960
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 1: is is that it was dropped in a very strategic location,

961
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:03,239
Speaker 1: a stu. It was dropped, right, It's fair Maybe it

962
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 1: wasn't dropped. Maybe it's that that person happened to be

963
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:09,800
Speaker 1: at that restaurant. It's a pretty large coincidence. In fairness though,

964
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 1: that his car was found right next to the place

965
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:15,239
Speaker 1: of work of three is of his relatives. That's a

966
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:19,799
Speaker 1: huge coincidence. It was one of his relatives. It's not

967
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 1: just kidding. Would have parked in the hospital parking lot, Yeah,

968
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 1: they would be smarter than to do that. I mean,

969
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 1: you know, so, I think the senses that it was

970
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:32,880
Speaker 1: deliberately dropped to be found. If it was, then like,

971
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 1: why with all that stuff in it? Was it? Oh?

972
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 1: My gosh, was it? That's actually not a fantastic amount

973
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 1: of stuff to leave in a car. It's not, but

974
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 1: it's a weird assortment of stuff. It's not that it's

975
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 1: that much. It's just a lot of random stuff. And

976
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 1: somebody has said that the the combination of the puppy

977
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 1: and the and the lipstick message actually was a was

978
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 1: a message in it of itself, which was a puppy

979
00:52:56,120 --> 00:53:00,839
Speaker 1: love I mean, the originally that one about you got

980
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:04,319
Speaker 1: the lips on the exclamation points and then I mean,

981
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 1: it's possible. Yeah, I don't know. I don't even know

982
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 1: what that means. But okay, all right, okay, so yeah,

983
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 1: I guess all we can do is really hope that

984
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:16,400
Speaker 1: this case will be solved in the next year or

985
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 1: two as the trial of Owens continues. If Owens did it,

986
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:26,440
Speaker 1: if Owens did it, certainly he might not even know

987
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 1: anything about it. I mean, he's certainly after after what happened,

988
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:31,400
Speaker 1: and after what happened in March, she's certainly my favorite

989
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 1: candidate now. But he also he also must know at

990
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:38,920
Speaker 1: least a little more given the call that he placed

991
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:43,720
Speaker 1: two days later, right because either zeb was truly alive

992
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:47,319
Speaker 1: and called him and said, hey, dude, call in for me,

993
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:50,279
Speaker 1: or he wasn't and he just decided to place the

994
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 1: call for whatever reason. Right. I think if somebody says,

995
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 1: I know I'm on death row, but no, I'm sticking

996
00:53:57,120 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 1: to my story about what happened to zeb you, but

997
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:04,400
Speaker 1: probably trust what they're saying. Well. The other hard part though, this,

998
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:08,760
Speaker 1: this is my my concern with this offer of a bargain,

999
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:12,480
Speaker 1: is he may just fess up just to get off

1000
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 1: a death row. That's true too, they usually require proof, like, hey,

1001
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 1: tell us where you buried the body, right, You've got

1002
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 1: to be able to prove something. But it just it

1003
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 1: always I always am hesitant with those things because it's

1004
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what I would do if I got

1005
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 1: convicted and went to death row. Not that I'm going

1006
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 1: to do something I swear you too don't do here

1007
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 1: have those drinks. But if if I was going to

1008
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:37,360
Speaker 1: do something that I did go to death row and

1009
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:39,759
Speaker 1: they said, oh, hey, you know, Steve, we think you

1010
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 1: did this other thing and if you admit to it

1011
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 1: will totally give you a life. Oh yeah, I totally

1012
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 1: did it, absolutely well. I did it. I killed the stuffalophagus.

1013
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 1: I totally did it. But again, now they'll probably demand

1014
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:53,319
Speaker 1: a no worry dispposed to the body and stuff like that,

1015
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 1: you know. So yeah, oh yeah, I shredded him and

1016
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:58,839
Speaker 1: I recycled him. He's made him nothing, but felt that's

1017
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:02,320
Speaker 1: totally recycling. He certainly one of the long ways towards

1018
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 1: disposing of those other bodies. Yeah, So I don't know. Yeah,

1019
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:08,719
Speaker 1: that's kind of my feeling is that all I can

1020
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:11,920
Speaker 1: do is hope. Honestly, I hope that Owen's did it

1021
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:16,799
Speaker 1: and that he confesses and that that's what happened, because

1022
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 1: I want to know what is going on. Yeah, I

1023
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:21,960
Speaker 1: think that I'm more than that this is going to

1024
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 1: be solved, not to not too sure. I hope that's true,

1025
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 1: so people find out the way. Yeah, just there's so

1026
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 1: many damn questions. Yeah, there really are. I don't know

1027
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 1: what I feel. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And again I don't

1028
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 1: think it's not necessarily true that Owen's even murdered him deliberately.

1029
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:41,719
Speaker 1: It could have been a fight and then actually death.

1030
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 1: You know, it could have been you know, and that

1031
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:45,920
Speaker 1: happens happens to the best of us, and you know,

1032
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:48,080
Speaker 1: you just hide the body and get on with your life. Right,

1033
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 1: So that's yeah, totally normal. Well, if you want to

1034
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:56,480
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1035
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1036
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1037
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Speaker 1: just send us an email if you want to talk

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Speaker 1: about this or any other cases you have suggestions, if

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Speaker 1: you're an expert in something, send us an email, or

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Speaker 1: if you just want to tell me that I'm awesome

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Speaker 1: or me what Alright, Okay, don't worry about don't worry

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Speaker 1: about that. Email address is Thinking Sideways podcast at gmail

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Speaker 1: doc Sorr. Yeah, still still on Twitter. Excuse me, I'm

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Speaker 1: texting that. Having been said, we're going to get out

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Speaker 1: of here. Bye, everybody, See you next week