Speaker 1: I am all in all that's kiss you. I am
Speaker 1: all in with Scott Pattison and I Heart Radio Podcast. Hello, Hello,
Speaker 1: rob Estus, Hello, Hello, and thanks for joining us. Uh
Speaker 1: and uh, it's really great to see again. I remember
Speaker 1: we did some really great scenes together and it's it's
Speaker 1: it's it's been a while. So your first appearance okay,
Speaker 1: so you portray Jimmy Mariano, who's Just's dad in two
Speaker 1: episode one is season two episode twenties Saga Night Gracie
Speaker 1: in the last most season three episode twenty one, Here
Speaker 1: Comes the Sun. That's it. This is some total and
Speaker 1: it seems like so much more so. Um. You're known
Speaker 1: for your roles as Harry Wilson Team Team Drama nine
Speaker 1: O two one oh and Sergeant Chris Lorenzo and the
Speaker 1: crime dramas series Silk Stockings, Col McBride, primetime soap opera
Speaker 1: Melrose Place. Those are some very fancy credits, my friend,
Speaker 1: very very very fancy show. And you currently start in
Speaker 1: the Netflix after franchise playing Ken Scott. Let me start
Speaker 1: off here by welcome you, welcoming you to the show,
Speaker 1: and thanks for coming on. But we recently recapture comes
Speaker 1: of Suns and we want some clarification on something. Did
Speaker 1: this episode served as the pilot for Jess Jimmie spinoff
Speaker 1: wind Boots Circle or did you guys shoot another pilot episode? No,
Speaker 1: we shot a pilot. It's funny because I see I
Speaker 1: knew you did. I knew that you did. Yes, it
Speaker 1: was a very interesting time at WB because we shot
Speaker 1: a spinoff and then I think some of the scenes
Speaker 1: filtered into um actual Gilmore Girls, not not the spinoff obviously, um,
Speaker 1: but it actually got picked up. It got picked up. UM.
Speaker 1: I think they wanted to pick it up for nine
Speaker 1: and if I would call, Amy wanted more episodes. She
Speaker 1: didn't wanna do it for whatever. Um whatever they had,
Speaker 1: okayed um, and so she kind of like, will then
Speaker 1: we're not gonna do it. So it's very interesting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so they so, so the network gave you a nine
Speaker 1: episode order and Amy wanted a full twenty two or
Speaker 1: something like that. Yeah. I don't know what the numbers were.
Speaker 1: It could have been six and she they wanted six
Speaker 1: and she said thirteen. I don't I don't recall the numbers.
Speaker 1: I just remember it was. It was a pretty big issue.
Speaker 1: There were some phone calls that went back and forth, um,
Speaker 1: and in the in the in the midnight hour, she went, Okay,
Speaker 1: well then I'm not gonna do it. I'm good. Interesting. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, because we were going back and forth on
Speaker 1: the show, I distinctly remembered that you did shoot a
Speaker 1: separate pilot, but the girls in the research was telling
Speaker 1: them that no, that served as the pilot those two
Speaker 1: scenes in the show, and the fans didn't react, so
Speaker 1: they didn't know. We absolutely did. I remember you shooting
Speaker 1: the pilot. I think I even went down and visited
Speaker 1: Milo while he was shooting the pilot. I remember I
Speaker 1: came down, we boardwalk, we shot it, shot it, um
Speaker 1: right off Abbotckinney at that house with Sheylyn and um. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And Milo was awesome. I mean we had such a
Speaker 1: good time. He's such a good kid. Oh yeah, well, so,
Speaker 1: well tell me what it was like working with him.
Speaker 1: I mean it was funny because he was just he's
Speaker 1: kind of you know, my my interpretation is with my loove. Uh,
Speaker 1: he wears his heart. He's just very available. Um, and
Speaker 1: he's real and whatever he does. You know, I watched
Speaker 1: him on some of his stuff now and I knew
Speaker 1: back down I was like, once this is done, he's
Speaker 1: going to become huge, um, because he just you know,
Speaker 1: he had a little place in Venice that he just got.
Speaker 1: He was redoing the hardwood floors and his dad were doing,
Speaker 1: you know, work on it, and I don't know, man,
Speaker 1: he just he's a really good soul. So I'm so
Speaker 1: glad to see how well he's done, because he deserved.
Speaker 1: He's a hard worker. You know, you know him better
Speaker 1: than I, but that's my remembrance. And it was fun
Speaker 1: working on scenes that, you know, one in the morning
Speaker 1: on the boardwalk in Venice, crazy people hanging out of him.
Speaker 1: It's quite a It's a unique place in the world.
Speaker 1: There's only there's only one Venice, California, and that's it. Um.
Speaker 1: When you got the role of Jimmy Mariana, did you
Speaker 1: know that this was the plan to have a spin off?
Speaker 1: Is that how they booked you? Like, hey, you're gonna
Speaker 1: be on the show? We read We went further the
Speaker 1: network four times with different guys, um hours and hours.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it was a set up pilot, um. And
Speaker 1: you know Amy's Amy's dialogue is very specific, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean she wants people to just roll and run
Speaker 1: things off. You know, it's like, guess why Laurens so
Speaker 1: great at it? It just falls out of her mouth beautifully.
Speaker 1: Um And in the reading um in the tests and
Speaker 1: I think we did three tests. It was just pages
Speaker 1: of UM and I ended up getting cast in it.
Speaker 1: But I don't know that her dialogue fits in my
Speaker 1: mouth the way it needed to for it to be
Speaker 1: really successful, you know. And not that I was the
Speaker 1: death now, but it's pretty specific, you know, And for me,
Speaker 1: I'm a little more if there's an ant or a
Speaker 1: butt or a paraphrase, you know that works for me,
Speaker 1: um uh and that you know, she was much more
Speaker 1: specific than that. Interesting, how many other do so? It
Speaker 1: was you and Milo? Were you testing Milo uh three times?
Speaker 1: Or were you testing with other actors? You know what,
Speaker 1: I don't think Milo was. Milo was never in the room.
Speaker 1: It might have been me and Cherylyn. I don't recall
Speaker 1: me so long ago that was in the thick of
Speaker 1: you know, there was so many in person tests and auditions.
Speaker 1: It was just a different thing back then. Um And
Speaker 1: and w B. For me with um Peter at the
Speaker 1: helm Um creatively, there was just so much stuff going
Speaker 1: on there that my brain is a little foggy on it.
Speaker 1: But I know, I never read with Milo until we
Speaker 1: I think a table read and it was like, you know,
Speaker 1: it was really cool. I know it wasn't it wasn't
Speaker 1: at a table read. I didn't work with Milo until
Speaker 1: I did some scenes in those, uh the two episodes
Speaker 1: that I was in. That was the first time I
Speaker 1: met Milo and that this fotty was awesome. So okay, So,
Speaker 1: so you guys fit perfectly together as father and son, Um,
Speaker 1: and I just wanted to tell you that, uh, it
Speaker 1: really really really really worked. Um. The character however, you know,
Speaker 1: I you know, you you say some interesting things like
Speaker 1: her dial I didn't fit in your mouth. I don't
Speaker 1: know that the character was so well conceived, thought out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I I don't know, so address this because
Speaker 1: it confused me when I was watching those scenes, because
Speaker 1: I know you're such a strong actor and you really
Speaker 1: know your stuff, but I was just kind of wondering
Speaker 1: how they thought somebody and you're so likable, How somebody
Speaker 1: so likable could play a character that was so unlikable
Speaker 1: and think that that was going to be successful. I
Speaker 1: guess I don't remember all the facts of you know
Speaker 1: what the backstory was. But you know, I remember there
Speaker 1: being a part of Jimmy that was like, okay, you know,
Speaker 1: on some level it's you know, maybe this is a
Speaker 1: way to make amends atonement, even though I don't know
Speaker 1: that I'm capable of it, because he says to him,
Speaker 1: you know, and he I, you know, I don't want
Speaker 1: you at my house. I you know, and in the
Speaker 1: midnight hour I let him sleep on my couch. It's like,
Speaker 1: you know, what kind of person does that? But I
Speaker 1: think that's you know, part of an arc is you
Speaker 1: want to get in there and cheer for the person.
Speaker 1: You're like, oh, what a you know, this guy's got
Speaker 1: a lot of you know, growing up in maturing to do.
Speaker 1: Is he capable of it? So I don't know if
Speaker 1: that was going to be part of the art. Um
Speaker 1: maybe you know that was that was part of hoping
Speaker 1: supposed to happen. I don't know, right right, Yeah, anyway,
Speaker 1: tell us about Sherylyn Fenn. What was it like working
Speaker 1: on She was great, man, she was just in it
Speaker 1: and it was so funny. I was like, you know,
Speaker 1: I grew up in Santa Monica and Venice and she,
Speaker 1: you know, so many um of my the high school,
Speaker 1: high school females that I went to school with, you
Speaker 1: could say that back in the day. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: they ended up living around there and they were so
Speaker 1: much like her, just kind of like real chill and
Speaker 1: you know, earthy um. And back then Venice wasn't or
Speaker 1: Abbot Kennyet wasn't. You weren't paying three million for hous.
Speaker 1: It was like the starter place, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: the canals and everything. My sister lived there for a
Speaker 1: while and it had some grit to it. Um. But
Speaker 1: she was great, um, very into working on scenes. If
Speaker 1: I recall making adjustments, being able to make adjustments, Um,
Speaker 1: did you did you read with her? In the addition?
Speaker 1: You know what I may have I don't recall. I
Speaker 1: think we did. I think she and I read um
Speaker 1: and I, oh you know what, I think I gotten
Speaker 1: cast and then we were finding uh, the other role
Speaker 1: and I think she and I read them for her
Speaker 1: test um or I read. I don't know, but that
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, that kind of rings about. Yeah, alright,
Speaker 1: So the scene in front of the bookstore with Milo,
Speaker 1: How did you memorize so much dialogue? What's your process like? Um?
Speaker 1: How do I rememberize so much dialogue. It's so funny.
Speaker 1: I watched it, um, like what a couple of days ago,
Speaker 1: just custing. It's like, oh God, look at yourself and
Speaker 1: the old days, just like, oh that's horrible. Um. With Milo,
Speaker 1: we ran it a ton. We ran that scene so
Speaker 1: many times, and we ran it different ways. Um. And
Speaker 1: he was just completely of available and willing to do whatever.
Speaker 1: I think at that time, I was working with Larry
Speaker 1: Moss in his class and we did all kinds of
Speaker 1: like you know, fun exercises, and mine was like I'm
Speaker 1: in man, I'm game. You want to paraphrase the whole scene.
Speaker 1: Let's paraphrase the whole scene, you know, if you're gonna
Speaker 1: do it with a Texas accent and okay, whatever whatever
Speaker 1: works for you. Um. So we have fun. We just
Speaker 1: throw it around. And I think the process for me
Speaker 1: was trying to get underneath what why I was there?
Speaker 1: You know why? Um all suddenly you know there's a
Speaker 1: there was a connection there again with the two of
Speaker 1: us as characters. And what does that mean if you
Speaker 1: think you're a really shitty dad? Um, what do you
Speaker 1: do even when you think you you still I don't
Speaker 1: know what to do, But do you have kids. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Oh how old he's a he's a yeah, thanks, he's
Speaker 1: It's wonderful. Yeah. How about you? I got I have three? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I got twenty three year old, which I was thinking
Speaker 1: about because you know, as kids get older, things flip
Speaker 1: um and you look at the mistakes that you've made
Speaker 1: and you're like, ah, for the lack of your own maturity,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, every parent's gonna make mistakes.
Speaker 1: But sure, sure anyway, I don't know with my logist,
Speaker 1: that scene made me rethink of like, Okay, yeah, dad,
Speaker 1: I wish I had known that back then. Um, but
Speaker 1: do you do you do you remember that? You know?
Speaker 1: I mean you know every parent, every parent makes mistakes.
Speaker 1: It's it's inevitable. You know, there are no perfect parents.
Speaker 1: Hey man, I just you know, as long as you
Speaker 1: show up and you're there, I think that's that's that's
Speaker 1: half the battle. So like that, Um, do you remember
Speaker 1: the day because I remember very distinctly. Do you're not
Speaker 1: about a spinoff but about getting gilmarp and becoming Seriously,
Speaker 1: do you remember the day you were told about the
Speaker 1: spinoff going forward and that you were involved in it?
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't remember No, it was kind of
Speaker 1: it was for me, it was a really crazy time
Speaker 1: because I had a holding deal with Warner Brothers, um,
Speaker 1: and just like so much stuff came at me really fast,
Speaker 1: and I could never quite catch up with some of
Speaker 1: the things that were happening. So tell us about that. So,
Speaker 1: so for the fans listening, in a holding deal is
Speaker 1: when they pay an actor not to take job. Right,
Speaker 1: So you're just they pay you a pretty nice chunk
Speaker 1: of money to steal your heels for a year, right
Speaker 1: until they can find something to put you in and
Speaker 1: you don't have to take it. They can suggest it.
Speaker 1: They send you the script. What do you think about this?
Speaker 1: Would you would you like to do that? We see you.
Speaker 1: It's a nice position because you can actually, you know,
Speaker 1: look at um uh what you might want to do,
Speaker 1: and then you know, you go and you meet with
Speaker 1: showrunners and you you see if there's there are avenues
Speaker 1: that are interesting to you that way. Um. Sometimes wish
Speaker 1: I would I wish I would have been a little
Speaker 1: more business savty back then. Tell us about some of
Speaker 1: the projects you met on and were there any projects
Speaker 1: that you met on that went on and did big things? Uh,
Speaker 1: it's funny because I always wanted to do a sitcom.
Speaker 1: That was one of my things. So so you know,
Speaker 1: this is literally what ye are we talking about? What? What?
Speaker 1: What year are we talking about? Here? We're talking about
Speaker 1: I'm gonna guess two thousand, No earlier than that, I
Speaker 1: would say probably two thousand one and a half. And
Speaker 1: you had and you had a holding deal at Warner Brothers.
Speaker 1: And well how it happened was I was doing melrose
Speaker 1: Place and um and and it's funny because I think
Speaker 1: I think gil mgirls, you guys did twenty two a year, right, yes, okay,
Speaker 1: so we did thirty six a year. So on Marrows,
Speaker 1: you would do thirty six a year. You'd have two teams,
Speaker 1: have a red team and a blue team, and the
Speaker 1: and the characters would be heavy and one enlighten another.
Speaker 1: So you get two paychecks a week. You do thirty
Speaker 1: six a year, you know, two for a total of
Speaker 1: I think two hundred and something. Long story short, uh
Speaker 1: spelling that you know was done with the show. Fox
Speaker 1: was kind of done with the show. And I get
Speaker 1: a I'm on set in the middle of a scene
Speaker 1: and the A D condomnent goes, hey, there's a phone
Speaker 1: call for you. And I was like, okay, they can wait. No, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: there's a phone call for you. You You need to take
Speaker 1: it right now. And I'm like, we'll dude, we're all
Speaker 1: about to shoot. He said, I don't care, go pick
Speaker 1: up the phone. And I was like that never. When
Speaker 1: does that happen the United States? So what's going on?
Speaker 1: People going you know? Um? So I go and it's
Speaker 1: Peter Roth, who was the head of TV development for
Speaker 1: Order Brothers. He was the president, the big guy. Yeah yeah, Peter.
Speaker 1: Oh heay, Peter, what's going on? And I knew him
Speaker 1: from working with cattle. He ran Cattle's company from a while.
Speaker 1: He goes, you gotta do me a favor and I
Speaker 1: said what. He goes, you still, you gotta stay and
Speaker 1: work for me, And I was like, what do you mean.
Speaker 1: I said, if there's a couple of other things that
Speaker 1: are happening, and he goes, listen to me, I will
Speaker 1: make this worth your while. You're gonna stay with us,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna get a holding deal. We'll get it
Speaker 1: done by tomorrow. Okay. So just just down of the
Speaker 1: blue like that. Your agent hadn't approached them. It was
Speaker 1: just Peter picking up the phone. He went around, he
Speaker 1: went around the back door, because we knew each other
Speaker 1: and I knew that, you know, I mean I actually
Speaker 1: rather had the conversation then agents at that point. Um.
Speaker 1: So anyway, you know, I said, you know, I'm down
Speaker 1: for this, but I don't want to sit and wait
Speaker 1: a year. I said, if you can get me, so
Speaker 1: I'm working. I really wanted to a sitcom. So I
Speaker 1: ended up doing Suddenly Susan for a season, and then
Speaker 1: I did a John Burrows pilot called Tikiville, so I
Speaker 1: got to do some things I really wanted to do.
Speaker 1: Um and it just kind of built from there. We
Speaker 1: did two pilots and then I can't remember what ultimately
Speaker 1: ended up getting. Oh, I ended up getting it getting
Speaker 1: the evidence for John Wells, the John Wells project, um
Speaker 1: that we shot in Vancouver. So you know, it was
Speaker 1: it was really fun. It was fun to you know,
Speaker 1: to get to jump to front of lines just because
Speaker 1: Peter Roth went, no, it's it's it's his right, right
Speaker 1: right right right? Yeah, you know, fantastic. Um. Um, So
Speaker 1: what was the reaction like getting back to this pilot? Right?
Speaker 1: And it was the pilot ever aired? No, not to
Speaker 1: see some of the scene was sprinkled in. I was like, wait,
Speaker 1: I think that that was from the pilot. No, it
Speaker 1: never aired. The pilot never aired, right, right, Okay, so
Speaker 1: so did you do you recall any reaction from Gilmore
Speaker 1: fans at the time about those scenes and about the pilot.
Speaker 1: Never remember, Um, the loyalty to Gooldboy Girls was unbelievable,
Speaker 1: so I'd be in the market whatever in The reaction was,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, hey, lovel of Love. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be on the show and it
Speaker 1: was great. Um. And I remember distinctly at Gelson's um,
Speaker 1: somebody kind of saying to me, you better be a
Speaker 1: good dad to him. I was like, like, you know,
Speaker 1: and there was no preamble, there was no no either
Speaker 1: for him. And I was like, yeah, I don't know
Speaker 1: you what no, no, no, but you they know you.
Speaker 1: The gil were fans of the real deal manc Yeah.
Speaker 1: Uh so, what are your favorite memories from being on
Speaker 1: that set? You know, God, it's gonna be it's it's
Speaker 1: gonna sound weird, but for me, um, like, um in
Speaker 1: the lemonade stands. My little sister worked in that lemonade
Speaker 1: stand growing up and I'm in there, like you know,
Speaker 1: mixing it up and running the place. I mean, I
Speaker 1: can remember, um being on that boarder walk, you know,
Speaker 1: summertime when it was ninety degrees and I've been at
Speaker 1: the beach all day. I remember like this little gang
Speaker 1: of us that would would go and be on that
Speaker 1: boarder walk and go and you know being a lot
Speaker 1: of the places that we filmed out from the bookstore. Um,
Speaker 1: so that was cool. And then Milo man Milo, and
Speaker 1: I was winner when we shot it. And I showed
Speaker 1: up with an old vintage World War two jacket. And
Speaker 1: Milo has really good style, like Milo is just he's
Speaker 1: tight and he doesn't throw it in your face. It's
Speaker 1: not about money. He just has good taste. And I
Speaker 1: said to him, I said, dude, I said, you dressed
Speaker 1: so like, you know, humble but sharp. And he goes,
Speaker 1: I was just thinking the same about you, like your
Speaker 1: your boots and the jacket. And I was like, well,
Speaker 1: I was thinking the same about you. When he goes, well,
Speaker 1: we should go shot Melrose. So like we we took
Speaker 1: a day and just the two of us wasn't got
Speaker 1: food shop non Rose cruised around. He got a World
Speaker 1: War two jacket, exactly like I had. It was really cool. Um,
Speaker 1: So I wish it would have. UM. I think my
Speaker 1: takeaway from that whole environment is that I wish I
Speaker 1: would have had more time with that character and with
Speaker 1: Milo everything, because she's so talented, just to see what
Speaker 1: could have blossomed, because I don't think it was quite there.
Speaker 1: You know, but as you know, how many shows have
Speaker 1: you done, and Gilmore Girls might have been one of
Speaker 1: them that you know, the first four or five episodes,
Speaker 1: they're okay, and then the writer starts to write for
Speaker 1: you a little bit more, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: and you know, the show really starts to take its
Speaker 1: form and it gets great exponentially sometimes. Um, And I
Speaker 1: wish I would have had the shot at seeing if
Speaker 1: if that was the trajectory of the spinoff didn't happen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So after Gilmore you went on to other TV shows
Speaker 1: and films obviously, and U currently you are in after uh,
Speaker 1: the after franchise on Netflix. What else do you have
Speaker 1: coming up? If anything? It's funny because After After Ever Happy,
Speaker 1: which is the fourth and Sam it came out in
Speaker 1: theaters today, so that's kind of cool. So it's in
Speaker 1: local theaters now for anybody wants to jump on and
Speaker 1: see it. UM tell us a little bit about it.
Speaker 1: Great Uh. Ana Todd is the writer. She wrote a
Speaker 1: series of five UM kind of young, not young, I
Speaker 1: would say twenty something romantic novels UM. And the two
Speaker 1: leads Um Hero Fines and Josephine Um have become huge stars.
Speaker 1: I mean and again it's the fans are almost as
Speaker 1: rapid as the old Gilmar girls. I mean, they have
Speaker 1: a loyalty. They post things and it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: a million hits, two million hits, um. And and it
Speaker 1: was built from the ground up. Ana Todd wrote it
Speaker 1: as a in E series. She got a billion hits,
Speaker 1: then she sold the books UM and now Voltage Um
Speaker 1: is making the films and UM, this one's really good.
Speaker 1: It's awesome. I played the lead's dad. I'm the dad.
Speaker 1: I like just a great guy. Actually reminds me of Milow.
Speaker 1: Just really solid human being. So it's been a blast
Speaker 1: to do them. UM. And then they got a movie,
Speaker 1: Beautiful Disaster. It will come out a couple of months.
Speaker 1: So just you know, doing it and trying to keep
Speaker 1: it keep it moving right right right, Um, all right,
Speaker 1: so you can get after on Netflix right now they dropped.
Speaker 1: You can you can get the old ones. There's four
Speaker 1: of them. You can get those on Netflix. And the
Speaker 1: one after Ever Happy literally hit theaters today, so it's in.
Speaker 1: It's got a big national release today, right right right? Um? Uh,
Speaker 1: let me see what else? What else? Anything else you
Speaker 1: want to talk about? Yeah, I want to discuss the
Speaker 1: fact that of the best looking guys on Gilmore Girls,
Speaker 1: you're number five, And I'm yeah, yeah, what are you
Speaker 1: talking about? Who? Who raided? Who? Who rated this? I
Speaker 1: think it's what I was looking at IMDb like I
Speaker 1: was die And then I'm like fIF five, coming in
Speaker 1: at number five? Number five? Did I just never do
Speaker 1: with the hat backwards? You were so comfortable? But who?
Speaker 1: But who are the top four? But Milo? Matt, No,
Speaker 1: you beat Milo? I beat Milo? Yeah? You killed him?
Speaker 1: Man trusted Dan Wells? Who's Dan Wells? There you go?
Speaker 1: He was number one? Yanni Yanni? Leave Matt? Wait minute,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, you say Yanni Truesdale was number two? Uh?
Speaker 1: Dan Wells number one? Dan number number one was Dan
Speaker 1: Yanni Truesdale. Number two, rareman, I don't know who that is,
Speaker 1: Matt Zerki Zukri. And then you an accomplished actor in film,
Speaker 1: television and theater. Scott Persons well noticed. Awesome, Uh Jackson
Speaker 1: Douglas number coming at number seven, my little Bitamlia and
Speaker 1: the way down. Oh my god, Oh my god. Man,
Speaker 1: it's hey. We made the let at least we made
Speaker 1: the list, right exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't even
Speaker 1: do facials, man, so it's like, you know, I don't
Speaker 1: belong to ever. He Uh, you gotta represent the regular guys, right. Well, listen,
Speaker 1: it's been uh, it's been a pleasure catching up and uh,
Speaker 1: thank you for your time. Rob estis one of the
Speaker 1: one of the most well known and best actors working,
Speaker 1: uh in the time. Why did you start out? I
Speaker 1: mean you must, I mean, would you start out in
Speaker 1: the like the mid nineties or acting started? Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I mean we started. I was a stuntman. I was
Speaker 1: a stuntman for a while. Um, I hated that, and
Speaker 1: then I started doing theater. Actually ended up working with
Speaker 1: Michael remember Michael Winners. Yeah, so he and I did
Speaker 1: a play in Seattle. We did um Taylor Taylor Josie.
Speaker 1: You're talking about Taylor Josie. Yeah, I did a play
Speaker 1: with him. Chuck Off three sisters. Oh he was so good.
Speaker 1: Yeah he's great. Yeah he's great. But so yeah, I
Speaker 1: just went into theater like I don't know, I just
Speaker 1: kind of fell into it. I was a dancer. I was.
Speaker 1: I did a break I was breakdancing in Venice again
Speaker 1: for Michael Jackson commercial on Fire. Tell us about that.
Speaker 1: Come on, I've always I was a break dancer forever.
Speaker 1: I don't know how or why. I guess because I
Speaker 1: was invented so much on our football team and everybody.
Speaker 1: We just did that. And I was at a club
Speaker 1: one night and think this lady came and said, hey,
Speaker 1: I got a commercial and you'd be great for it.
Speaker 1: And I had long blonde hair and like, you know,
Speaker 1: funky clothes. And I said, okay, because we'll show up
Speaker 1: to this thing and I want to addition to you.
Speaker 1: And I said, okay. So I show up and there's
Speaker 1: like this kid pupping taco iced tea like all these
Speaker 1: real dancers and rappers before wrap was wrapped. And she said, okay, cool,
Speaker 1: you're you're hired, Will, And I'm like, I said, I
Speaker 1: don't have a ssadcratch. She goes, well, you know, we
Speaker 1: have to pay the penalty of because you can do
Speaker 1: something whatever. So I got my sad heart that way.
Speaker 1: So we're I'm on Venice Beach and I didn't even
Speaker 1: know the Michael Jackson connection, but I'm on I'm on
Speaker 1: Venice Beach and like a tank top and these funky clothes,
Speaker 1: just you know, hitting all this stuff on the boardwalk
Speaker 1: and we're doing it for four or five hours when
Speaker 1: d and all of a sudden, there's all these walkie
Speaker 1: talkie clicks going off and people freaking out. I'm like,
Speaker 1: what happened? We're closing up shots? Why are we closing
Speaker 1: up shot? So there's been a there's been an accident
Speaker 1: at Shrine Ontorium, and um it was when Michael Jackson's
Speaker 1: Jackson's hair caught on fire. And I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: So I wasn't at the shrine. I wasn't there, but
Speaker 1: we were. We were. We were shooting an accompanying piece
Speaker 1: and uh they shut everything down and it never aired.
Speaker 1: There was never from there on it. But you put that.
Speaker 1: But that was your first gig. That was my that
Speaker 1: was my sag. That was it. That was it, And
Speaker 1: you got it right. You're still in high school. I
Speaker 1: was out of high school. You're out of high school school.
Speaker 1: I was at USC program. Huh, you were on the
Speaker 1: football Wow, you're on the football team at USC. No
Speaker 1: b f A all arts. So No, I was an
Speaker 1: act not a football player. Because she said the guys
Speaker 1: in the football team did a lot of breakdancing. So
Speaker 1: I that was high school football guys on our football
Speaker 1: team when I was in high school. So I learned
Speaker 1: when I was, you know, in middle school, in high school,
Speaker 1: and then when I went away to college, I would
Speaker 1: put out of a big piece of cardboard and to
Speaker 1: make money on the side. Hilarious. Yeah wow, but boy,
Speaker 1: the injuries, man, that is nuts. And I should have
Speaker 1: been on a football team. Beat you up. But fun God,
Speaker 1: I wish we could see some footage. If we could
Speaker 1: see I wish I had some. Now you don't have
Speaker 1: any footage of your breakdancing. Come on, but you don't.
Speaker 1: You don't have any footage of you break dancing? No real,
Speaker 1: did I did? Of May? I did a May company? Well,
Speaker 1: think about it. Back then, there were no cell phones,
Speaker 1: there were no like nobody. I remember going and watching
Speaker 1: flash Flash dancing in the movie theater like thirty times.
Speaker 1: Try to get those day us is down. But there
Speaker 1: was no you know, you couldn't stream, you couldn't just
Speaker 1: take out your phone and go being so unbelievable. Well,
Speaker 1: another side, another surprising side of rob Estes. That's very
Speaker 1: very interesting. Um, alright, buddy, I'm not gonna take up
Speaker 1: any more of your time. I know you're busy. Thank
Speaker 1: you good. Yeah right, And I really love that you
Speaker 1: know that one scene we did where I come in
Speaker 1: and tell you to get the hell out of town
Speaker 1: and to leave Jessela. I just I love that scenes
Speaker 1: so much. It's one of my favorite Luke scenes because
Speaker 1: it really was him protecting you know, his his family.
Speaker 1: So it's it's those kinds of scenes really resonate with me. Um,
Speaker 1: and you were great. What a great scene that was.
Speaker 1: I think I think I put it on my real
Speaker 1: I think that's yeah. Um anyway, really special catching up.
Speaker 1: Thank you for the time, Keep on keeping on man,
Speaker 1: You're you're you're as good as it gets. Uh and
Speaker 1: a good guy and uh I really appreciate you coming on.
Speaker 1: Well bro all right, buddy, Scott, take care, bye, hey everybody,
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