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Speaker 1: I am all in all that's kiss you. I am

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Speaker 1: all in with Scott Pattison and I Heart Radio Podcast. Hello, Hello,

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Speaker 1: rob Estus, Hello, Hello, and thanks for joining us. Uh

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Speaker 1: and uh, it's really great to see again. I remember

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Speaker 1: we did some really great scenes together and it's it's

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Speaker 1: it's it's been a while. So your first appearance okay,

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Speaker 1: so you portray Jimmy Mariano, who's Just's dad in two

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Speaker 1: episode one is season two episode twenties Saga Night Gracie

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Speaker 1: in the last most season three episode twenty one, Here

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Speaker 1: Comes the Sun. That's it. This is some total and

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Speaker 1: it seems like so much more so. Um. You're known

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Speaker 1: for your roles as Harry Wilson Team Team Drama nine

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Speaker 1: O two one oh and Sergeant Chris Lorenzo and the

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Speaker 1: crime dramas series Silk Stockings, Col McBride, primetime soap opera

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Speaker 1: Melrose Place. Those are some very fancy credits, my friend,

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Speaker 1: very very very fancy show. And you currently start in

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Speaker 1: the Netflix after franchise playing Ken Scott. Let me start

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Speaker 1: off here by welcome you, welcoming you to the show,

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Speaker 1: and thanks for coming on. But we recently recapture comes

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Speaker 1: of Suns and we want some clarification on something. Did

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Speaker 1: this episode served as the pilot for Jess Jimmie spinoff

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Speaker 1: wind Boots Circle or did you guys shoot another pilot episode? No,

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Speaker 1: we shot a pilot. It's funny because I see I

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Speaker 1: knew you did. I knew that you did. Yes, it

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Speaker 1: was a very interesting time at WB because we shot

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Speaker 1: a spinoff and then I think some of the scenes

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Speaker 1: filtered into um actual Gilmore Girls, not not the spinoff obviously, um,

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Speaker 1: but it actually got picked up. It got picked up. UM.

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Speaker 1: I think they wanted to pick it up for nine

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Speaker 1: and if I would call, Amy wanted more episodes. She

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Speaker 1: didn't wanna do it for whatever. Um whatever they had,

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Speaker 1: so they so, so the network gave you a nine

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Speaker 1: something like that. Yeah. I don't know what the numbers were.

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Speaker 1: and she said thirteen. I don't I don't recall the numbers.

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Speaker 1: I just remember it was. It was a pretty big issue.

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Speaker 1: There were some phone calls that went back and forth, um,

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Speaker 1: you know, because we were going back and forth on

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Speaker 1: the show, I distinctly remembered that you did shoot a

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Speaker 1: separate pilot, but the girls in the research was telling

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Speaker 1: them that no, that served as the pilot those two

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Speaker 1: scenes in the show, and the fans didn't react, so

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Speaker 1: they didn't know. We absolutely did. I remember you shooting

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Speaker 1: the pilot. I think I even went down and visited

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Speaker 1: Milo while he was shooting the pilot. I remember I

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Speaker 1: came down, we boardwalk, we shot it, shot it, um

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Speaker 1: right off Abbotckinney at that house with Sheylyn and um. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And Milo was awesome. I mean we had such a

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Speaker 1: good time. He's such a good kid. Oh yeah, well, so,

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Speaker 1: well tell me what it was like working with him.

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Speaker 1: I mean it was funny because he was just he's

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Speaker 1: with him. Chuck Off three sisters. Oh he was so good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah he's great. Yeah he's great. But so yeah, I

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Speaker 1: kind of fell into it. I was a dancer. I was.

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Speaker 1: I did a break I was breakdancing in Venice again

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Speaker 1: for Michael Jackson commercial on Fire. Tell us about that.

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Speaker 1: Come on, I've always I was a break dancer forever.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how or why. I guess because I

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Speaker 1: was invented so much on our football team and everybody.

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Speaker 1: We just did that. And I was at a club

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Speaker 1: I got a commercial and you'd be great for it.

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Speaker 1: And I had long blonde hair and like, you know,

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Speaker 1: funky clothes. And I said, okay, because we'll show up

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Speaker 1: to this thing and I want to addition to you.

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Speaker 1: And I said, okay. So I show up and there's

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Speaker 1: like this kid pupping taco iced tea like all these

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Speaker 1: real dancers and rappers before wrap was wrapped. And she said, okay, cool,

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Speaker 1: you're you're hired, Will, And I'm like, I said, I

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Speaker 1: don't have a ssadcratch. She goes, well, you know, we

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Speaker 1: have to pay the penalty of because you can do

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Speaker 1: something whatever. So I got my sad heart that way.

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Speaker 1: So we're I'm on Venice Beach and I didn't even

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Speaker 1: know the Michael Jackson connection, but I'm on I'm on

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Speaker 1: Venice Beach and like a tank top and these funky clothes,

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Speaker 1: just you know, hitting all this stuff on the boardwalk

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Speaker 1: and we're doing it for four or five hours when

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Speaker 1: d and all of a sudden, there's all these walkie

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Speaker 1: talkie clicks going off and people freaking out. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: what happened? We're closing up shots? Why are we closing

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Speaker 1: up shot? So there's been a there's been an accident

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Speaker 1: at Shrine Ontorium, and um it was when Michael Jackson's

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Speaker 1: Jackson's hair caught on fire. And I was like, okay,

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Speaker 1: So I wasn't at the shrine. I wasn't there, but

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Speaker 1: we were. We were. We were shooting an accompanying piece

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Speaker 1: and uh they shut everything down and it never aired.

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Speaker 1: There was never from there on it. But you put that.

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Speaker 1: But that was your first gig. That was my that

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Speaker 1: was my sag. That was it. That was it, And

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Speaker 1: you got it right. You're still in high school. I

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Speaker 1: was out of high school. You're out of high school school.

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Speaker 1: I was at USC program. Huh, you were on the

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Speaker 1: football Wow, you're on the football team at USC. No

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Speaker 1: b f A all arts. So No, I was an

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Speaker 1: act not a football player. Because she said the guys

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Speaker 1: in the football team did a lot of breakdancing. So

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Speaker 1: I that was high school football guys on our football

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Speaker 1: team when I was in high school. So I learned

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Speaker 1: when I was, you know, in middle school, in high school,

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Speaker 1: and then when I went away to college, I would

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Speaker 1: put out of a big piece of cardboard and to

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Speaker 1: make money on the side. Hilarious. Yeah wow, but boy,

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Speaker 1: the injuries, man, that is nuts. And I should have

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Speaker 1: been on a football team. Beat you up. But fun God,

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Speaker 1: I wish we could see some footage. If we could

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Speaker 1: see I wish I had some. Now you don't have

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Speaker 1: any footage of your breakdancing. Come on, but you don't.

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Speaker 1: You don't have any footage of you break dancing? No real,

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Speaker 1: did I did? Of May? I did a May company? Well,

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Speaker 1: think about it. Back then, there were no cell phones,

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Speaker 1: there were no like nobody. I remember going and watching

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Speaker 1: flash Flash dancing in the movie theater like thirty times.

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Speaker 1: Try to get those day us is down. But there

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Speaker 1: was no you know, you couldn't stream, you couldn't just

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Speaker 1: take out your phone and go being so unbelievable. Well,

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Speaker 1: another side, another surprising side of rob Estes. That's very

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Speaker 1: very interesting. Um, alright, buddy, I'm not gonna take up

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Speaker 1: any more of your time. I know you're busy. Thank

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Speaker 1: you good. Yeah right, And I really love that you

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Speaker 1: know that one scene we did where I come in

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Speaker 1: and tell you to get the hell out of town

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Speaker 1: and to leave Jessela. I just I love that scenes

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Speaker 1: so much. It's one of my favorite Luke scenes because

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Speaker 1: it really was him protecting you know, his his family.

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Speaker 1: So it's it's those kinds of scenes really resonate with me. Um,

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Speaker 1: and you were great. What a great scene that was.

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Speaker 1: I think I think I put it on my real

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Speaker 1: I think that's yeah. Um anyway, really special catching up.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for the time, Keep on keeping on man,

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Speaker 1: You're you're you're as good as it gets. Uh and

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