1 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 1: Sitting there on the sidelines on the game, just watching 2 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:10,440 Speaker 1: guys go out there making plays, and I just feel 3 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 1: like I missed a part. I didn't feel like I 4 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: was really on the team. What was your first reaction 5 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 1: when you heard the news of the trade? Hey, we 6 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:18,800 Speaker 1: gotta step up. That's why we're here, you know what 7 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:20,920 Speaker 1: I mean. We're not here to you know, to be honest, 8 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: just to be you know, second strang and third straight. 9 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 1: We're here to play and make place for this team 10 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:26,480 Speaker 1: and be able to help us to get to the 11 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:40,520 Speaker 1: super Bowl. You know what I'm saying. Championship mindset. Welcome 12 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 1: to the Lounge. I'm speaking to you, Garret, because you 13 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:46,480 Speaker 1: were missing for two weeks. I'm back. I'm back into 14 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:49,879 Speaker 1: the Lounge. We had a one week hiatus from the podcast. 15 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:51,520 Speaker 1: Didn't have won't come out last week, And the reason 16 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 1: for that is because I was enjoying beautiful Italy, sipping 17 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 1: wine and tuscany while you were here grinding come back 18 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 1: here drinking, curing cough. I was having cappuccino, gelato and 19 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 1: uh some wine. So I'm back now and we've got 20 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 1: a good episode of the Lounge and Store for fans today, 21 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 1: really really good but before we get to that, I 22 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 1: want to read uh email that was sent to us 23 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 1: at the lounge at Ravens dot NFL dot net. Make 24 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:19,959 Speaker 1: sure you're sending those emails and the audio clips wet 25 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:22,959 Speaker 1: audio clips. I always asked for that and it hasn't really. Seriously, 26 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 1: people don't listen. To take your iPhone. It's in a 27 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 1: little app there. It's got a recording thing. Record yourself, 28 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:31,760 Speaker 1: then you can email it. It's easy. It's easy peasy anyway. 29 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 1: All right, this email comes from Barth Poby. I hope 30 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 1: I pronounced your last name right, Barth, uh says, good 31 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: morning Garton Ryan. I love your podcast. I always wanted 32 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 1: to write you, but never could gather the courage. I 33 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 1: got it after listening to your international podcast. Trust me, 34 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 1: it doesn't take any courage to talk to us. But 35 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 1: there's no courage or a couple of just just I 36 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 1: don't even want to know. Yeah, I don't even want 37 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 1: to say. Bar says. I'm originally from Togo, West Africa, 38 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 1: and I started following American football after five years ago, 39 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 1: about five years ago, and I am a big Ravens fan. 40 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 1: Since November, the podcast became like golden cookies for me 41 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 1: because of the political talk. I can't listen to radio 42 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:11,360 Speaker 1: anymore on my way to and from work. That's how 43 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 1: you feel like sharing office with me, right political talk 44 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 1: without being afraid of getting into an accident. So every 45 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 1: time I see a new podcast, I jealously keep it up, 46 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:22,240 Speaker 1: keep it as a golden cookie with a smile to 47 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 1: listen to my thirty minutes drive to and from work. 48 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 1: I was sad here that we weren't going to have 49 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 1: a podcast last week anyway. Quick hits from Bart He says, 50 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 1: I want Thanksgiving Christmas stress, like this guy already said 51 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 1: super Well, fifty two is a special one because ray 52 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:41,359 Speaker 1: Lewis said that it's gonna be special. It's right. So 53 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 1: he says, the energy is going to carry us to 54 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 1: a championship. And number three, let Stefan Nambot know that 55 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 1: he is invited to have fou fou with cow legs 56 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 1: and fo elephant ear a k a cow skin with 57 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 1: him any time he wants. Stefan is the inspiration to 58 00:02:57,440 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: the African youth for getting to this level without knowing 59 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 1: the game growing up. And I wish him well and 60 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 1: by the grace of God, may he do great things. 61 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 1: That's great. Yeah, so pretty cool. I really like that email, 62 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 1: and anybody that calls the podcast and Golden Cookie, Golden 63 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 1: cook is good in my book. Yeah, I've never heard that. 64 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 1: I like it the Golden Cookie. So thank you for 65 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 1: the email, Barth. Then with that said, we'll jump right 66 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 1: into it. We had some big news this week. Yes, 67 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:21,919 Speaker 1: go ahead, Garrett, kick it off. Well. Yeah, the big 68 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:25,119 Speaker 1: news obviously was the trade of Timmy Journing into the Eagles. Essentially, 69 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 1: what this does is it allows the Ravens to move 70 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 1: up twenty five spots in the third round of this 71 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:31,639 Speaker 1: year's draft. They don't have to wait a couple of 72 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 1: years to get a compensitory pick. Of course, they lose 73 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 1: Timmy Journy game. Now, part of the reason you make 74 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 1: a trade like that is because you're confident in the 75 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 1: players that you have in the pipeline. That's what I 76 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 1: was gonna do, some said statement released that, And so 77 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 1: the players in the pipeline are Carl Davis, Willie Henry, 78 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 1: and then also there's Michael Pierce who already had a 79 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 1: you know, significant role last year. So just a little teaser, 80 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: we're gonna have Carl Davis on the podcast. We talked 81 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 1: to him about this trade. Um, but just our initial 82 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 1: takeaways from it, you know this To me, I was 83 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 1: a little surprised when I first heard that the Ravens 84 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 1: were in talks with potentially shopping Timmy's not there kind 85 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 1: of move, right, because typically players play out their contracts. 86 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 1: Timmy was a highly productive player at times, really talented player, 87 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 1: really kind of fell off the second half of last year. 88 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: But I think we all saw the talent. So I 89 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 1: was a little surprised when I first heard that they 90 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 1: were potentially talking about it. But I do think it 91 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 1: makes sense. Yeah, I would agree. I mean the thing 92 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 1: with Timmy is you look at it and at first 93 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:30,919 Speaker 1: you're like, guy, have five sacks last year, the second 94 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:32,839 Speaker 1: most sacks on the team, and we're looking to get 95 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 1: more sex, not less sex. Uh And And like I said, 96 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:39,840 Speaker 1: you know, this is a typical move because typically the 97 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:42,039 Speaker 1: last year of a player's rookie contract is when you 98 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:44,279 Speaker 1: make the most money off of it. As a team 99 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 1: or whatever. You get the most production, the biggest bang 100 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:49,360 Speaker 1: for your bucket. Right, Guys are pretty motivated when they 101 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:52,599 Speaker 1: have a contract that too. But I'm just saying, like 102 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:55,039 Speaker 1: he's still getting paid a small amount, you know, and 103 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 1: and he's been in your system now for three years. 104 00:04:57,440 --> 00:04:59,919 Speaker 1: You shouldn't be getting a very good player to cheap price. 105 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 1: So it's not the typical move. But I think you 106 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 1: you kind of hit it on the head when you 107 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 1: said by trading him now, so if you didn't think 108 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:11,239 Speaker 1: that you're gonna be able to resign him after next season, 109 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 1: which the Ravens probably were not. I mean, they just 110 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 1: paid Brandon Williams. You're not gonna have two guys. You're 111 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:18,119 Speaker 1: not gonna you're not going to resign him after this season. 112 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 1: So if that happens, then you're probably gonna get a 113 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 1: competitory pick. Best case scenario, you get a third round 114 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 1: competitory pick. If he signs a big contract and all 115 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 1: that stuff right, and gets a lot of playing time 116 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 1: and all that stuff, that's best case scenario. Probably not likely. 117 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 1: I mean, it's not like Timmy Joern. Again, I don't know. 118 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: Maybe he'll light the world on fire, but I don't know. 119 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 1: I don't know that he's gonna get that big a 120 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 1: contract to more in a third round competitor, right, Maybe 121 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 1: he's more of the fourth round range exactly. So what 122 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:45,600 Speaker 1: the Ravens essentially did by moving up twenty five spots. Now, 123 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 1: the value of moving up twenty five spots is equivalent 124 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 1: to the value of getting a late third round pick, 125 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 1: like a third round competitory pick, except you get it 126 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:58,359 Speaker 1: this year and this year's stack draft class instead of 127 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 1: in and new is flash. The Ravens want to win now. 128 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 1: They don't currently care right now about winning in twenty nineteen, 129 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:08,840 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, you haven't made the playoffs three 130 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: in the past four years. It's like, let's get better 131 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:13,840 Speaker 1: players now. And I think also what plays into it 132 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:17,159 Speaker 1: is you drafted eleven players last year. I mean, the 133 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 1: Ravens had a big rookie class last year, so you 134 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:23,599 Speaker 1: don't need more rookies on this team. You need better 135 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 1: rookies than this team, right, So, so advancing up, moving 136 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 1: up in the third round, that could be significant. I 137 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 1: mean you're talking about a pretty substantial talent difference there, 138 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 1: I think at the beginning of the third round as 139 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 1: opposed at the very end. Right, So, the Ravens now 140 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 1: have four picks in the top seventy eight of this 141 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 1: year's draft. Everyone says, all the experts you talked to say, 142 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 1: it's a really deep draft in certain positions that fit 143 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 1: the Ravens cornerback, pass rusher being the most notable ones. 144 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 1: That's good news for the Ravens. Ever, Costa also said 145 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 1: that it's a defensive draft, so you have an opportunity 146 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:53,919 Speaker 1: there to kind of reload. You know, they hit on 147 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 1: some really good players in last year's draft. Now you 148 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 1: have an opportunity to run it back and hit again 149 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 1: and get some impact players. And and you have a 150 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 1: young team that can potentially get you back into that 151 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 1: postseason conversation. And I also always go back to what 152 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 1: Steve Bashotti said a couple of years ago or a 153 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 1: few years ago or whatnot, and he says, you know, 154 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 1: we gotta give our young players a chance to play. 155 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 1: You know, we we have faith in our scouting department 156 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:16,679 Speaker 1: and NAZI and drafting and all that stuff and Eric, 157 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 1: and then we we draft these guys and they don't 158 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 1: play for like three years. You know. I mean, I 159 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 1: think that we all saw what happened basically with Paul Krueger. 160 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 1: I think that was kind of the catalyst to this movement. 161 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 1: Is guy finally gets on the field his last year 162 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 1: and he explodes, and then he gets a big contract elsewhere, 163 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 1: and you're like, man like we only got one year 164 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 1: production out of this guy. And you have a player 165 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 1: like Carl Davis, you drafted in the third round out 166 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 1: of Iowa, and you say, well, this guy's really got 167 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 1: some potential. But if he's always buried behind people and 168 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: then he only gets on the field for one year 169 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 1: before his rookie contract expires, what have you really gained? 170 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 1: You know, So get him on the field, give him 171 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 1: a chance. If they've proven that they have that talent, 172 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 1: which I think Carl Carl did his rookie year, give 173 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 1: a shot. So they say, look, I mean with everything, 174 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 1: with all kind of moves like this, there's a gamble, 175 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 1: there's there's a risk element to it. You know, you 176 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 1: don't know exactly how guys are gonna play. But that's 177 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 1: the name of the game. That's what these general managers 178 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 1: have to do every single every position, every single year. 179 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 1: And you don't know that how to be journey it 180 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 1: was gonna play last year. I mean the dude had 181 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 1: one sack or the last like one sack and five tackles. Yeah, 182 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 1: I mean, sure he was a talented player, but Timmy 183 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 1: journing In was also a gable of a player. You 184 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 1: don't you never knew what you were gonna get. He 185 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 1: could be on fire, and he was a dog at 186 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 1: times and I loved him at times and then other times, 187 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 1: you know, he just disappeared, you know. So it's not 188 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 1: like he was a sure bet, like you traded a 189 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: Pro Bowl future Hall of Famer here, you know. So 190 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 1: all of it is a Campbell and I think the 191 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 1: Ravens think that they can replace that. Yeah, So the 192 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:44,839 Speaker 1: guy that they think they can replace it with. One 193 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:47,200 Speaker 1: of the guys is Carl Davis, And we had a chance. 194 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 1: Carl has been working out here pretty much every single 195 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 1: day over the course of the offseason trying to get 196 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 1: himself ready. Even before this Timmy Journakin trade, he's been 197 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 1: here working hard to get himself ready for the season. 198 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:58,960 Speaker 1: So we talked to Carl convinceding become by the Lounge 199 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 1: and here's her interview with Al Davis. So, Carl, you're 200 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 1: kind of in the news right now. You know a 201 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 1: lot of people are talking about you because it's been 202 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 1: a kind of a crazy week here. You know, the 203 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 1: Ravens obviously traded Timmy and so now everyone's looking at 204 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 1: you and Willie Henry and Michael Pierce is kind of 205 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 1: the new young guys that are going to step into 206 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 1: that spot. Just what was your first reaction when you 207 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 1: heard the news of the trade. I was just like wow. 208 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:22,079 Speaker 1: I was actually uh on the phone with Willie at 209 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:24,439 Speaker 1: the time. He was like, traded Timmy. I'm like, no, 210 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 1: he didn't like you know what I mean. I thought 211 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:29,440 Speaker 1: it was kind of an April Follis thing. But yeah, 212 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 1: you know, you know sometimes you have those little Minka 213 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:33,679 Speaker 1: those fake things on Instagram, people like oh yeah something. 214 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 1: So we went't here, but then they came through on 215 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:38,319 Speaker 1: my phone. I said, I'm like real and I was 216 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 1: just like, hey, you know, you just gotta we gotta 217 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 1: step up, you know what I mean. Me and Willie 218 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:46,559 Speaker 1: we work out all the time here and uh Downtown 219 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 1: Underarmor facility down there, and um, you know, I mean 220 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 1: it was crazy. You know, Timmy was a great player. Uh, 221 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 1: definitely somebody that you know what I'm saying. We kind 222 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 1: of looked at, you know, his starring role and what 223 00:09:57,720 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 1: he did and how many players he had made, so 224 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:02,080 Speaker 1: you know, we want to be able to duplicate that. 225 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 1: And that's what just me and Willie was talking about. 226 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 1: It's kind of crazy. So you and Willy were actually 227 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 1: talking to each other at the time when you found out, 228 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 1: and then you guys were both basically saying like, hey, 229 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 1: it's it's time for us to step up. Yeah, I mean, 230 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 1: we have another choice. I mean, that's that's why we're here, 231 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. We're not here to you know, 232 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 1: to be honest, just to be you know, second string 233 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 1: and third and we're here to play and make place 234 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:22,080 Speaker 1: for this team and be able to help us to 235 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 1: get um to the super Bowl, you know what I'm saying, 236 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:27,840 Speaker 1: championship mindset. So how how difficult was last season for you? 237 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 1: I mean, your rookie year, you come out and you 238 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 1: really make a lot of plays, see a lot of time, 239 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 1: and then last year sitting out the entire season obviously, 240 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:37,320 Speaker 1: I mean last year was super rough for me. I 241 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 1: mean just sitting there on the sidelines on the game, 242 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 1: just watching guys go out there making plays. You know, 243 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 1: you just see the guys kind of growing together too, 244 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 1: and I just feel like I missed a party. I 245 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 1: didn't feel like I was really on the team, and 246 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 1: it was a struggle for me, like you know, more so, 247 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 1: you know, mentally, I tried. I was sent a weight 248 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 1: room doing I need to do. But you know, it 249 00:10:56,880 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 1: was just it was just tough sitting on the sidelines. 250 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 1: At any competitor, you it's gonna be tough sitting on 251 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 1: the sidelines when you know you want to be out 252 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:04,680 Speaker 1: there and you feel like you can make some plays, 253 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Everybody brings something different with 254 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 1: their game and I feel like I bring something different 255 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 1: in my game and I just want to be able 256 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:12,959 Speaker 1: to get out there and help. But you know, it 257 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 1: was just a rough one and the way it happened, 258 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 1: it was just really frustrating. Can you descrab what what 259 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 1: do you feel like you bring with your game? And 260 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 1: is that kind of you know, with Timmy leaving, obviously 261 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:24,200 Speaker 1: people look at the sacks, you know, defensive line with 262 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:26,680 Speaker 1: five sacks. Do you feel like the team is looking 263 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:28,840 Speaker 1: at you and saying, we think Carl can be that 264 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 1: kind of guy for us, right? Well, I don't. I 265 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 1: don't know what they you know, I expect to me. 266 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 1: I know that I'm a I'm a bigger guy. I'm 267 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 1: a little bit bigger than Timmy, so you know, I'm 268 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 1: more of a you know, I can clog the hole, 269 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 1: you know, and make sure we stopped to run, and 270 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 1: I feel like I can pass for us too, you 271 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 1: know what I mean, A lot of that stuff. You know, 272 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 1: it just comes with practice. And you know, I feel like, 273 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 1: you know, we got one of the best. I know, 274 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 1: we have the best guard in the league and in 275 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 1: Yonder and you know, so we can you know, practice 276 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 1: against him. If I can get better, and then I 277 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 1: know I'd be able to execute the game. So um. 278 00:11:57,679 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 1: You know, it's just being a better all around player. 279 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:01,599 Speaker 1: You know, I feel I can do that to me 280 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 1: kind of hit those gaps you create gaps by throwing guys. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 281 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 1: that's my thing. Just trying to make sure in the 282 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:10,319 Speaker 1: run game, you know, if we try to hold off 283 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 1: that double team so that our linebackers can make the plays, 284 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:15,560 Speaker 1: you know, just really just cause havoc and make sure 285 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 1: those guys that line of screams it to stage the 286 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 1: same or gets knocked back. When they announced the trade, 287 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:22,840 Speaker 1: one of the things that Ozzie said in his statement 288 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 1: was that we feel like we have young guys then 289 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:26,680 Speaker 1: now we're going to have a chance to play and 290 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 1: we want to see what they can do. When you 291 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:30,320 Speaker 1: see that from Ozzie, and obviously they don't make that 292 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 1: move unless they feel like you and Willie and Michael 293 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 1: Pearce are willing and able to step into that spot. 294 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:38,439 Speaker 1: Is it kind of a boost of confidence knowing that 295 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 1: the organization is saying, all right, we're willing to trade 296 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 1: a really good player because we know we have good 297 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:45,560 Speaker 1: players in the pipeline. Yeah, that definitely feels good. You 298 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:48,560 Speaker 1: know that they believe in us and um have trusting us, 299 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 1: and you know, us being a draft prospects, you know, 300 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:54,200 Speaker 1: now we're here. Um, you know it feels it feels good, 301 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:56,079 Speaker 1: you know, to be wanted, you know, that's anything. So 302 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 1: you know, I just want to make sure that you know, 303 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:00,320 Speaker 1: I don't let those guys down. I know Ely and 304 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:02,320 Speaker 1: Pierce feel the same way, and I know they're going 305 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 1: to be great players, good players, you know. You know, 306 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:06,839 Speaker 1: Pierce proved out there and me and Willie were both 307 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 1: on I R. So we both have a lot to prove, 308 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:11,319 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, And um, we just look 309 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:14,559 Speaker 1: forward for the opportunity right now this offseason. You talk 310 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 1: about working out, I mean, how I feel like I've 311 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:20,200 Speaker 1: seen you in here like every single day and even 312 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:22,680 Speaker 1: looking at you, honestly, it looks like you're a little 313 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 1: bit physically different from you what you were as a rookie. Yeah, definitely. 314 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:28,199 Speaker 1: I've just been working on a lot, just really working 315 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 1: on my body, working on my eating habits and everything, 316 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 1: and just understanding that a lot of things, a lot 317 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:35,200 Speaker 1: of these things are are more mental, you know what 318 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 1: I mean. So, uh, just having control over myself and 319 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 1: my body that that's big, you know what I mean. 320 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 1: So I say, I'm just thankful for the opportunity right 321 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 1: now to be able, That's all I can ask for 322 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 1: his opportunity and to be able to go out here 323 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 1: and get ready in a couple of weeks to start 324 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 1: back up with with Steve Saunders and just get right 325 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 1: out here to keep working and then eventually get on 326 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 1: the field. So the workouts and the and the eating 327 00:13:57,920 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 1: and all that stuff, I feel like a lot of 328 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:01,079 Speaker 1: young guys, and I feel like you've talked about this before. 329 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 1: When you first come into the league, there's the process 330 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:06,080 Speaker 1: of learning to be a pro, you know what that means. 331 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 1: And then when you spend all last year basically watching 332 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 1: from the sidelines and getting healthy, that you have nothing 333 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:12,960 Speaker 1: to do but learn, You know, all you can do 334 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 1: is work out and learn and take it all in. 335 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:18,680 Speaker 1: Do you feel like you have learned to become a pro? Yes, definitely. 336 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 1: I just watched other guys. You know, one of those 337 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 1: guys as Brandon Williams, you know, as a guy he's uh, 338 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 1: you know, I go to the chiropractor with him, he 339 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 1: gets on the cold. I'm just learning a lot of 340 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 1: different things. So now I'm creating myself a system that 341 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 1: like throughout the week that I know, hey, I should 342 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 1: go here this week, I should do this, you know 343 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 1: what I shouldn't do, you know. So I kind of 344 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 1: was watching older guys and I watched like Chris Canton, 345 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 1: you know, older guy, you know, he had his routines. 346 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 1: Every guy has a routine. So I just want to 347 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 1: make sure I have my own routine. And so I 348 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 1: learned that, you know what I'm saying the officets. Obviously 349 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 1: I wasn't practicing, but I just started noticing how guys 350 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 1: did things. So I brought it to myself, scharl I 351 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 1: want to talk a little bit about your background as well. 352 00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 1: Uh and and we'll kind of go and reverse starting 353 00:14:59,880 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 1: with now it gets I don't know, but anyway, you 354 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 1: have you have a foundation, trench work foundation, and you 355 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 1: also launched a clothing brand off to tell tell me 356 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 1: a little bit first about your foundation and the work 357 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 1: you're doing there. So I'm originally from Detroit, UM and um, 358 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 1: I kind of had the whole season to think about 359 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 1: it kind of so, um, you know, I was just 360 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 1: thinking about our knees, the people's needs in Detroit, you know, 361 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 1: and especially how I grew up and you know, the 362 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 1: opportunities I had in order to make it to this point. 363 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 1: Every kid is not going to have, you know what 364 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 1: I mean. So I went to a lot of different schools, 365 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 1: and so my goal with my foundation is to rebuild 366 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 1: homes in my area in the city of Detroit, um, 367 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 1: you know, and to be able to put families in 368 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 1: there and create them, let them have home ownership so 369 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 1: that these people can feel prideful and to live in 370 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 1: this community. And then also eventually down the road, be 371 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 1: able to build a recreational center to where, um, these 372 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 1: families in this community can you know, get these kids 373 00:15:57,040 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 1: off the street. They can have a place to go, 374 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 1: you know, work out, had to go out, hang out 375 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 1: with each other, and also have an entrepreneurship program so 376 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 1: where these kids can learn the trade learning skill you know, 377 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 1: because school isn't for everybody. So to get these kids 378 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 1: off the street and actually have them to have a 379 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 1: a skill that can they can carry out throughout their life. 380 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 1: If they know how to build a home, you know, 381 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 1: I feel like they can always be employable. You know, 382 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 1: if they know how to be electrician, you can work 383 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 1: for the city, or you can just be your own electricial. Good. Yeah, 384 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 1: And the goal is just to teach people how to 385 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 1: be more self reliant, you know what I mean. So, um, 386 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 1: that's what I'm doing with my foundation is just trying 387 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 1: to make people self reliant. I don't want to, you know, 388 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 1: make these people rent from me. I don't want them 389 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 1: to pay me their money. I want them them have 390 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 1: their own money so they don't have to keep living 391 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 1: the same lifestyle that they do right now. The exactly 392 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 1: exactly is this something that you had had kind of 393 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 1: been stewing in you even from the time that you 394 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 1: were younger in a high school college age, or is 395 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 1: this really didn't really come to fruition last year and 396 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:54,880 Speaker 1: you had more time to think about it. Well, I 397 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 1: always kind of thought about it. You know. It's funny 398 00:16:57,080 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 1: like growing up, I grew up on Joy Road and 399 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 1: a lot of people didn't know that, you know, because 400 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 1: of how I may carry myself, and I was always 401 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:06,880 Speaker 1: in different schools in the suburbs. But I mean, it's 402 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:08,639 Speaker 1: it's little things that kind of stick with you. Like 403 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:10,920 Speaker 1: in my backyard, I used to I had a basketball 404 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 1: run back there, and they had all types of potholes. 405 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:14,880 Speaker 1: I'm surprised I didn't sprain the angle every back there. 406 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 1: And I just remember all I wanted to play on 407 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 1: the flat surface course the court, and I didn't have that, 408 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And all the rec centers 409 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:23,720 Speaker 1: were shut down, you know what I mean. It wasn't 410 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 1: enough place for us to go. And a lot of 411 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 1: kids that was from my area that probably came to 412 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 1: play basketball with me, didn't have anything to do, didn't 413 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 1: have any experiences look forward to our opportunities, so you know, 414 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 1: they kind of resorted to the things that kind of 415 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:39,119 Speaker 1: get you in trouble, as we all know, you know 416 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 1: what I mean, And you know, I just wanted to 417 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 1: create opportunities so that these people didn't have to do that. 418 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 1: You know, a lot of people from my area are 419 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 1: in jail that I grew up with, or you know 420 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:51,879 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Probably not even here today, you know. 421 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:53,440 Speaker 1: So my goal is to be able to help and 422 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 1: to be able to help a kid change the kid's life, 423 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 1: even if it's one you know what I mean, that's 424 00:17:57,880 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 1: that's the life that we can change, and to keep 425 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 1: him off the streets and have them be a um 426 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 1: a law by the citizen and also be positive role 427 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:07,440 Speaker 1: model to the next group of kids. Can you talk 428 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 1: a little bit about your background growing up there? And 429 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 1: we don't really know joy Road Maybe I don't know 430 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 1: what you say that talked a little bit about that 431 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 1: and your struggle to kind of make it yourself. Yeah, well, 432 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 1: you know growing up there, Um, I was fortunate enough 433 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:24,720 Speaker 1: that my mom had to eventually get me up to 434 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 1: suburb schools. But I went to MacFarland Elementary School, which 435 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 1: is currently boarded up right now in which I want 436 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 1: to be the future home of the rec center. And 437 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 1: you know, when I was in school, my mom actually 438 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:37,440 Speaker 1: came up to the school and she was actually like tutoring. 439 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 1: You know. That's when I was in fourth grade, and 440 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 1: she had realized a lot of these kids, you know 441 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:43,919 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, it's a are really learning, they're not 442 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 1: really holding on to the knowledge that they need, so, um, 443 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:49,679 Speaker 1: it was a decelerated program. And I was all a student, 444 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:52,119 Speaker 1: you know, and you know, I thought I was just 445 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 1: a good student. And then my mom said, hey, I'm 446 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 1: getting you out of these schools, and they took me 447 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 1: out to different heights public schools. So at that point, 448 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:00,920 Speaker 1: you know, I thought, I was like, hey, it's just 449 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:02,679 Speaker 1: going to a new school. But it was a challenge 450 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 1: for me. I go out here and uh, you know, 451 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:08,720 Speaker 1: like I was saying, like, We've started off in Detroit 452 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:12,400 Speaker 1: Public School. I was doing additional subtraction, you know, a multiplication, 453 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 1: and I was, hey, I thought I was it. And 454 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 1: I go out here and I'm in fifth grade. We're 455 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 1: starting on basic algebra, and I'm like, whoa, this is 456 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 1: a blow. I don't know how to get X to 457 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:22,399 Speaker 1: the other side, you know what I'm saying. Whatever, Like 458 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:25,679 Speaker 1: it was crazy, and I struggled, Like, you know, it 459 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:27,400 Speaker 1: was big for me to be able to go outside 460 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 1: and play and be able to do extra activities, which 461 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 1: I was doing when I was in DPS schools, but 462 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:34,120 Speaker 1: once I went out to the suburb schools, I wasn't 463 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:36,119 Speaker 1: able to do that because I had to do homework 464 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:38,399 Speaker 1: all day. I had to learn this new material on 465 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 1: top of you know what I'm saying, They just stacking 466 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 1: on new stuff and I'm trying to graspall to everything, 467 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 1: grasp ball his knowledge, and it was tough for me, 468 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So it's very frustrating. I 469 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:49,680 Speaker 1: had some long days as a young kid, you know 470 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:51,399 Speaker 1: what I mean. I could have easily made decisions not 471 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 1: to do things, but you know, you know, I always 472 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 1: wanted to be successful, And even as a young kid, 473 00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 1: I don't even know I had that mindset, but I 474 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 1: just knew I wanted to be success, you know what 475 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 1: I mean. So I kind of stay on the course, 476 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 1: stayed away from a lot of trouble and just you know, 477 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:06,879 Speaker 1: focused on you know, sports and you know, making I 478 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:10,200 Speaker 1: take care of my class work, right And did you did? You? 479 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:11,880 Speaker 1: You were talking about how you kind of bust around. 480 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:13,919 Speaker 1: I mean you were taking multiple busses to get school 481 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:16,880 Speaker 1: and living with different families and all that stuff. So yeah, 482 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:20,159 Speaker 1: my second my second half of my freshman year, I 483 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 1: had an opportunity. I moved in my cousin and so 484 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 1: I um transferred to Hazel Parks. That's why I started 485 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 1: playing football. Like my ninth grade year, and so then he, uh, 486 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:30,159 Speaker 1: he got me going in the wait. You know, he 487 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 1: had a weight room in his basement. So I was 488 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:34,359 Speaker 1: living with him my cousin Alan, and uh, you know, 489 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 1: he had me lift the weights in the morning. And 490 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 1: I stayed there for a while and then eventually, you know, 491 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 1: I was kind of sleep I was sleeping on the 492 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:43,479 Speaker 1: couch and he had a wife and four kids at 493 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:45,639 Speaker 1: the time, and I was just like, hey, you know, 494 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 1: I really don't want to invade too much, you know 495 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:49,440 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, I kind of you know, I felt 496 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 1: like I was invading in space and stopping them from 497 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 1: living their life. So eventually I had both out, moving 498 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:56,399 Speaker 1: back to the West Side. And so I was like 499 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:58,960 Speaker 1: taking two, like three or two bustes the day, depending 500 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:00,440 Speaker 1: on if I was feeling lazy or not. You know 501 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:02,679 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I would walk on something, walk to 502 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:05,400 Speaker 1: the corner, but you know, I would take a couple 503 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:07,119 Speaker 1: of bus to school, and you know, I'm basically going 504 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:10,360 Speaker 1: from the West Side to the East side and so yeah, 505 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:11,960 Speaker 1: and then I walked him out and get to school 506 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:14,639 Speaker 1: after that. And those are the choices I made, you know, 507 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:16,359 Speaker 1: I mean, a lot of a lot of kids not 508 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:19,200 Speaker 1: gonna make that at you know, fourteen, fifteen years old. 509 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:20,840 Speaker 1: You know, a lot of kids, I'm not gonna go 510 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:22,159 Speaker 1: to school half the time. You know, a lot of 511 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:24,399 Speaker 1: these kids are gonna make those decisions. But you know, 512 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:26,440 Speaker 1: luckily for sports, you know, I really I was really 513 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 1: passionate about it, and I want to get to school. 514 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:29,440 Speaker 1: I want to make sure I'll play. I was ready 515 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:32,119 Speaker 1: for games, and so I kind of stuck with it, 516 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 1: and my my grades was getting better, you know, I 517 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 1: was becoming a better student. And so, um, after that, 518 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:41,640 Speaker 1: you know, my my mom had got married, and so 519 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 1: she had told me, hey, we're moving out to Sternal Heights. 520 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 1: So we, um, we actually didn't have a house to 521 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:50,640 Speaker 1: move to starn the Heights. So I actually had to 522 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 1: move in with the family, you know what I mean, 523 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 1: because we really didn't have an address, you know. So 524 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 1: I moved in with a family and I stayed with them. 525 00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 1: And he had you know, Mr Wessman, he had a 526 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 1: wife and three kids, you know, and actually the his 527 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:06,120 Speaker 1: middle son was actually my center and we both graduated 528 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:09,360 Speaker 1: together in two thousand and ten. Is that you knew them? Yeah, 529 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 1: that's how I knew that I didn't know them from 530 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 1: anywhere before I got there, you know what I'm saying. 531 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 1: So it was just an opportunity, and I went to 532 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 1: the school and it was just a great opportunity for 533 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 1: some of the best years in my life. I have 534 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 1: some of my best friend friends from there. I was 535 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 1: able to play in the state championship my senior year. 536 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:28,159 Speaker 1: You know, I only lost three games my my junior 537 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 1: and senior year. You know, I played through shot put. 538 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 1: I have fun there. Yeah, I was playing dead so 539 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,679 Speaker 1: you're basically kicking Well, yeah, I was. I was a 540 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 1: little bit. So I actually played office in line my 541 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:44,240 Speaker 1: senior year, so I played Chaco, so we we played together, 542 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:47,479 Speaker 1: you know. But yeah, so it worked out like that 543 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 1: and it was a blessing and it taught me how 544 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 1: to basically matured me, you know what I mean. I 545 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:55,119 Speaker 1: was in a lot of different environments, so I had 546 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 1: these opportunities. I didn't really look at obstacles, but some 547 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,119 Speaker 1: people might. You know. It was an opportunity for me 548 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:03,120 Speaker 1: to grow and get better. So, you know, I had 549 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:04,639 Speaker 1: some I had some rough morning, especially when I was 550 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:06,719 Speaker 1: at Hazel Park. I mean it was one morning I 551 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:08,440 Speaker 1: was sitting there with my gym bag and it was 552 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:10,919 Speaker 1: snowing and one of the busses came by and just 553 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:13,199 Speaker 1: swiped the curb and all the snow came on me. 554 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:15,119 Speaker 1: I was like, I'm like, man, I had to go 555 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 1: in the burger king and changes to my athletic gear. 556 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:18,719 Speaker 1: I had to wear that the whole day through school, 557 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So, um, but yeah, that 558 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:25,919 Speaker 1: was a little opportunities. Did you see sports as like 559 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 1: the means to an end that you said, I want 560 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 1: to go to college or I want to get out, 561 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 1: or do you just love playing sports and you just 562 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 1: happened to play and that and it ended up working 563 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:34,640 Speaker 1: out the way that it did. Well, It's kind of both. 564 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 1: I love playing sports. Um, I grew up Actually I 565 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 1: did basketball. I played basketball in my backyard and then um, 566 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,479 Speaker 1: in middle school, I was able to do boxing, a 567 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,199 Speaker 1: little bit of boxing that crunk gym and uh, you 568 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:47,920 Speaker 1: know that was that was fun, you know what I'm saying. 569 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:49,919 Speaker 1: That was different for me. I wasn't that good. You know, 570 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 1: I eventually started getting better, but but yeah, that was 571 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:56,679 Speaker 1: another activity I got into. And um, you know, carrying 572 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 1: on through high school, I didn't even like football at first, 573 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I was like, hey, I'm 574 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 1: a basketball player, but I'm like, hey, I'm I'm six four, 575 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,639 Speaker 1: three hundred pounds. You know, you look like you know 576 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:08,440 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So it's like, hey, I feel like 577 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:10,359 Speaker 1: I've driven the rock and be the first point center, 578 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:13,480 Speaker 1: but I don't know how far this's gonna go. So yeah, 579 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 1: but you know, I just love sports. And then I've 580 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:18,359 Speaker 1: saying I had the opportunity and my coaches start to 581 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:20,880 Speaker 1: especially when I got to Stevenson, you know, I started 582 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:24,359 Speaker 1: becoming a better player, and you know, I had opportunities. 583 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:27,159 Speaker 1: I went to camps and started performing well, and I 584 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:29,720 Speaker 1: just started getting better, you know what I mean. Obviously 585 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 1: I went on to play at the University of Ohiowa. 586 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 1: So so this football has led you to some pretty 587 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:38,119 Speaker 1: great places now, and now you're kind of capitalizing on 588 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:41,680 Speaker 1: it and hitting trench work. You're making trench work a brand. Yeah, 589 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 1: can you tell us a little bit about this? Well, yeah, 590 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:46,040 Speaker 1: trench work is it's basically kind of you know, my 591 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,879 Speaker 1: life story, and it's like, you know, trench work is 592 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 1: not about just being on the football field. You know, 593 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 1: it's everyday life. You know, it's like going through those 594 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 1: hard times where you're sitting there, it's cold in the morning, 595 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:57,960 Speaker 1: and you get splashed by that bus and you still 596 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 1: gotta get to school. So you gotta find the you got. 597 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:02,160 Speaker 1: You can't find an excuse, you know, you gotta find 598 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 1: a reason to get through it. And it's a lot 599 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 1: of people that have their own trench and not ask 600 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 1: people like what's your trench? You know, that's kind of 601 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 1: my little trended thing, what's your trench? I want to 602 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 1: know what people do every day. That's a grind and 603 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 1: a lot of times, you know, especially being um office alignment, 604 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,119 Speaker 1: defense alignment, you don't really get notice unless you you know, 605 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 1: office line. They don't really get no praise. But you know, 606 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:21,360 Speaker 1: difference aligement if you want a double team, a FAMI 607 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 1: really doesn't notice that, you know what I mean that 608 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 1: they don't understand like sometimes the pain you might play through, 609 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,439 Speaker 1: you know, dislocated fingers, all types of stuff that happens, 610 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 1: and that's just embodies trench work, you know what I'm saying, 611 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:32,920 Speaker 1: Just being resilient, not really looking at the adversity, just 612 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 1: learn how to be resilient through these whole times. So 613 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 1: that's kind of how my life has been. And so 614 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 1: I want to college. I came up with the word 615 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 1: trench work. On the name trench work. I was into 616 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 1: my basement and I had asked my roommate about it. 617 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 1: Once I came up and he was like, I like it. 618 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:48,879 Speaker 1: I'm all right cool. So I just put it on 619 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,359 Speaker 1: my sweater. I took some of my financial a money, 620 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:54,640 Speaker 1: made a couple of sweaters, and you know, people start 621 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:56,199 Speaker 1: liking them. So I had a little bit more, so 622 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 1: I start passing them out to some of my teammates. 623 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:00,960 Speaker 1: They liked it, and you know, and then obviously when 624 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 1: I came here, um, I just carry that whole thing on. 625 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 1: That's even my my my Instagram handle name. And so 626 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:10,920 Speaker 1: I just you know, I want people to understand a 627 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:12,359 Speaker 1: lot of people may look at trenchant like, hey, what 628 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 1: is that? You know, but it's a meaning behind it. 629 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:16,879 Speaker 1: You know, it's more so a movement and also you know, 630 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 1: to even to help it out, like a portion of money, 631 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 1: I'm portion of the money I actually make off my 632 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 1: clothing line goes to my foundation, you know what I mean. 633 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 1: So I want people to when they wear it, it's 634 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 1: for a great cause. You know what I'm saying. You're 635 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 1: helping out the city. Of Detroit. You know what I'm saying, 636 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:32,879 Speaker 1: my foundation, and I want people to be able to 637 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 1: wear that with pride, you know what I mean, even 638 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,119 Speaker 1: to the point like, hey, I might before I you know, 639 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:39,400 Speaker 1: before games, I might just pass out to a few fans, 640 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:41,479 Speaker 1: you know, just to get them in some gear. You know, 641 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,400 Speaker 1: people understand that and kind of just do your research 642 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:46,440 Speaker 1: about it and just look more into it. And then 643 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:48,720 Speaker 1: you know, as we keep carrying on, I want people 644 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 1: to just start noticing what we're doing. And you know 645 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:52,239 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. People want to help out, they can 646 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:54,920 Speaker 1: help out. So fans want to get some trench Work swag, 647 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:56,640 Speaker 1: where do they go? You can go to trench work 648 00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,200 Speaker 1: gear dot com. And we're actually working on some women's 649 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 1: stuff right now too. I got people working on that 650 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:03,159 Speaker 1: right now. We just have a couple of hoodies, but 651 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 1: we got some some good stuff coming out that the 652 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 1: fans you know, may enjoy and have something for a 653 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 1: little bit of everybody. I've seen it. It sounds nice. 654 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,399 Speaker 1: He's over here, just jonaph for a free just hoodie. 655 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:18,080 Speaker 1: That's what That's what you're trying to. Thank you so 656 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 1: much and appreciate thanks for joining us. So it's Carl exits. 657 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,360 Speaker 1: Thank you again to him for joining us. Uh, he's 658 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 1: got an interesting story. I didn't realize his entire background 659 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 1: until he was sharing that with us. Did you know, 660 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 1: Joey Road. I didn't when he said that, it didn't 661 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:35,760 Speaker 1: register with me. Yeah, but I'm guessing I'm gonna go 662 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,360 Speaker 1: google it after we get out of here figure out. Yeah. 663 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:41,119 Speaker 1: I bet it was kind of tough. I'm sure it was. Yeah. Yeah, 664 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 1: So thank you once again to Carl. But I want 665 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 1: to move on. Have we had the segment story time 666 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:48,439 Speaker 1: a little while? Story Time has kind of been on 667 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:50,639 Speaker 1: the back burner. Yeah, we haven't been getting falling by 668 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:52,880 Speaker 1: the wayside, but this is a good opportunity to bring 669 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 1: back story time for sure. So I was that when 670 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 1: you were gone drinking wine. You didn't drink a wine, 671 00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 1: did you. I had a lot of wine, any pasta, 672 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,119 Speaker 1: A lot of pasta, a lot of pizza. Well, you 673 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,639 Speaker 1: were going doing that. I was in Phoenix for the 674 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:10,680 Speaker 1: owners meetings and kind of an interesting interesting few days 675 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,440 Speaker 1: out there, you know. I went up to Two Harbors. 676 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,399 Speaker 1: It was actually after you taped the whole April Fool's 677 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,960 Speaker 1: Day boat thing, which if you hadn't seen that and 678 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,920 Speaker 1: if we fooled you, we got to give a shout 679 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,399 Speaker 1: out to our broadcast guy, Jack Dana. He was the 680 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,639 Speaker 1: one that came up with the whole. It was his 681 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 1: whole idea. You know. We were kicking around April fool's 682 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,919 Speaker 1: ideas and you know, saying like what should we do 683 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,240 Speaker 1: or what you know, different ideas and Jack came up 684 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,040 Speaker 1: with the idea of this whole that we're taking a 685 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 1: ship to London, and we all liked it and it 686 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 1: ended up turning out great. Jack. Jack's working on that 687 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 1: full time job. Jack. You know, I think you might 688 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,960 Speaker 1: have earned it with this one. He got it so 689 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 1: well done, Jack, but so so then John. We pitched 690 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,960 Speaker 1: the idea to John to do an interview to really 691 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,120 Speaker 1: sell it, you know, and he was all about it. 692 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 1: He was totally bought in. And uh, if you hadn't 693 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,560 Speaker 1: seen the videos or haven't seen him, they're fantastic. My 694 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 1: wife watch him and said, I can't believe another word 695 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,720 Speaker 1: this guy says. He's so good. I know, so it's 696 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,480 Speaker 1: just great. He's so gonna lie. I can't believe anything 697 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,959 Speaker 1: he says. I told John that actually got a good 698 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 1: kick out of it. But anyway, so so John was 699 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 1: in a great moon from doing those things, and I 700 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 1: was like, you know what, I'm gonna pitch this idea 701 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 1: to him. So I asked, if you want to hike 702 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:22,280 Speaker 1: up Camelback Mountain with me in Phoenix, which I was 703 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 1: already playing do. He immediately got back to me and 704 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:26,560 Speaker 1: said I'd love to. I was like, this is gonna 705 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 1: be great. So so anyway, so we get out there 706 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,560 Speaker 1: and I get an email like the day four and 707 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,400 Speaker 1: uh from Kevin Byrne. And Kevin says Sean McDonough, the 708 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 1: play by play voice of My Night Football is going 709 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 1: to be joining you guys, And I'm like that that's great. 710 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 1: He and Harms are really good friends, going back you know, 711 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 1: a couple I don't know more than decade. Uh. So 712 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:48,479 Speaker 1: they're really good buddies. So the three of us go 713 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 1: up the hike and like, I'm not really sure what 714 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 1: this is gonna be at all, you know what, what's 715 00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 1: the like is there a story that's going to come 716 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 1: from this? I don't know, right, And so we meet 717 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 1: up and I'll I'm kind of thinking like, well, I 718 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,840 Speaker 1: want I want to talk to John about, like, you know, 719 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,000 Speaker 1: the kind of the pressure to win this year and 720 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 1: how he's handling that and how competitive he is, because 721 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,320 Speaker 1: I feel like Jim Harball gets so much ink for 722 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 1: being super hyper competitive and John is every bit as 723 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 1: competitive as his brother. And what better way to tell 724 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,920 Speaker 1: that story than hiking up a ding dang mountain? Right? 725 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 1: I mean, And by the way, I was gonna make 726 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 1: sure he got to the top before me. And if 727 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 1: you weren't going to already, I was gonna say, I 728 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:32,240 Speaker 1: don't think you had to make sure. He is way better. 729 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:34,520 Speaker 1: He is in way better shape than I am. Did 730 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:36,600 Speaker 1: he leave you in the dust? He did not leave 731 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 1: me in the dust, but he was probably he probably 732 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 1: could have you. He was consistently ahead of um. So anyway, 733 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 1: so I'm thinking, like maybe I'm gonna tell that story. Right, No, 734 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 1: that's not a story. We meet up with Sean mcdona, 735 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:53,239 Speaker 1: and Sean is hilarious, and those two together are just 736 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 1: like a comedy act, right. It's like everybody that we 737 00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 1: walked by, they're just chatting up, joking around, and like 738 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 1: it's just it's just hilarious. And like over the course 739 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,240 Speaker 1: of the hike, you know, like I always knew that 740 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,520 Speaker 1: John was like a people person. You know, just been 741 00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,200 Speaker 1: working with him for the past whatever eight years or whatever, 742 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,640 Speaker 1: but like just seeing this, like he has an uncanny 743 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,800 Speaker 1: ability to walk up to anybody and start a conversation 744 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:20,959 Speaker 1: and just instantly like be friends with them. Yeah, instantly connect. 745 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 1: And these are just like whoever. They can come from 746 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,600 Speaker 1: all walks of life, right, and he finds like something 747 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,960 Speaker 1: that is a common connection with him, often sports, it 748 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,200 Speaker 1: could be faith, it could be anything, and like he's 749 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,720 Speaker 1: just it really brought to light, like how John is 750 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 1: unique in that way, and I think that it is 751 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,959 Speaker 1: something that makes him a very special coach, you know. 752 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 1: I think that how a lot of NFL head coaches 753 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:49,960 Speaker 1: fail is that they can't connect to their players. Maybe 754 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,920 Speaker 1: it's because they don't have a similar background. Maybe it's 755 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 1: because these players are making millions more dollars than them 756 00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 1: and they're like, I'm gonna listen to you, man, I'm 757 00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 1: making a tumb more than you whatever you know, or 758 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,400 Speaker 1: or whatever, or they're like super athletes and the coaches, 759 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,200 Speaker 1: or there's a there's a significant age gap, there's significant 760 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,080 Speaker 1: age gap, all that stuff, and like they have I 761 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:12,080 Speaker 1: think a lot of coaches struggle with that or or 762 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:13,800 Speaker 1: they can't relate to the the star players or they can't 763 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:15,240 Speaker 1: relate to the guys at the bottom of the roster. 764 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:19,320 Speaker 1: John relates to everybody, and he talks to everybody, and 765 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,440 Speaker 1: he can just chat up you know, any staff worker, 766 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 1: any player, all that stuff, and I think that that's 767 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,000 Speaker 1: what makes him a great coach has led to a 768 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:28,960 Speaker 1: lot of success. It's interesting hear you say that because 769 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:30,760 Speaker 1: Steve Schotti has talked about how one of the things 770 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:32,240 Speaker 1: that he loves about him is how he can walk 771 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,040 Speaker 1: into the cafeteria at any point and see John eating 772 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,360 Speaker 1: with one through fifty three on the roster, you know, 773 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,160 Speaker 1: Joe Flacco or the last guy in the practice squad 774 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:42,280 Speaker 1: and having a conversation with him, and that kind of 775 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 1: just really underscores your point. Did did Did most people 776 00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,960 Speaker 1: recognize him on the mountain? Uh? No, I would say not, 777 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,360 Speaker 1: And I mean there are a few, but you know, 778 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,000 Speaker 1: it was kind of funny as I was wearing those 779 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:57,080 Speaker 1: spectacles chat glasses on the mountain, right, and so some 780 00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,120 Speaker 1: people be like, oh, you know, Sean will be like, oh, 781 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:00,760 Speaker 1: this is the head coach. They were Baltimore Raves. John 782 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,120 Speaker 1: probable they'd be like, hey, cool, are those the specs? 783 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:07,960 Speaker 1: Those are cool. I mean, like, dude, I don't worry 784 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,800 Speaker 1: about the sunglasses. You meet and John Harball, right, and 785 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,200 Speaker 1: then when one little girl was like, oh are you 786 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:17,680 Speaker 1: are you the brother or she she basically like mistook 787 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,520 Speaker 1: him from Jim. Yeah, and he's like starting my freaking life, 788 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 1: you know. So it was really cool though, it was 789 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 1: really fun. We were wondering what the hell happens if 790 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,680 Speaker 1: John Tripps and like you know, goes down to an 791 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,520 Speaker 1: ankle or something, which he did go down at one point. 792 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 1: He kind of turned it pretty bad, right, but he 793 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,080 Speaker 1: like he wasn't gonna show, you know, he was giving 794 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:38,720 Speaker 1: it up. He's just like drought and how bad would 795 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,080 Speaker 1: you have been sweating out if he were to like hurt, 796 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:45,040 Speaker 1: like seriously hurt an ankle? The reason, yeah, the reason 797 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:47,200 Speaker 1: he comes out and says, well, the reason I'm doing 798 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,479 Speaker 1: this is because Ryan Make convinced me to do it. 799 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:51,720 Speaker 1: Steve cal Someone says, what were you doing hiking off 800 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:53,480 Speaker 1: the mountain and he says, well, well, Ryan Make asked 801 00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:59,640 Speaker 1: me to do it. Luckily they didn't have that could 802 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,760 Speaker 1: have been ugly. Yeah. Yeah, he stayed up one little 803 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:04,480 Speaker 1: minor tweak of the ankle, but you know, I think 804 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:06,680 Speaker 1: he'll make it good. So yeah, so it was fun. 805 00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,239 Speaker 1: It was really fun. But that's all the time we 806 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,280 Speaker 1: have for today on the podcast. Thank you for listening. 807 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,080 Speaker 1: As always, you need to emails at the lounge at 808 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,000 Speaker 1: Ravens dot NFL dot net. We will be back with 809 00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:21,480 Speaker 1: more Draft Central kind of talk and the next week 810 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:23,440 Speaker 1: to a little teaser, we're gonna have Vince Newsom my 811 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,560 Speaker 1: director pro personnel. He's somebody behind the scenes. I don't 812 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:28,480 Speaker 1: think a lot of people really have a clear idea 813 00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:30,520 Speaker 1: of what he does, and we're gonna pull back the 814 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:33,000 Speaker 1: curtain a little bit and talk with him, uh for 815 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,360 Speaker 1: next week's episode. Everybody wants to talk to a Newsom 816 00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:36,759 Speaker 1: this time of the year before we get get to 817 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:38,720 Speaker 1: the draft, right. He got you on, we got missed, 818 00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:43,319 Speaker 1: we got fits, were working on Azzie once again. Thank 819 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,040 Speaker 1: you so much for listening, and we'll be back with 820 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:55,760 Speaker 1: you next week.