1 00:00:30,319 --> 00:00:32,559 Speaker 1: Pats from the Past. Tune in is Matt Smith and 2 00:00:32,598 --> 00:00:35,119 Speaker 1: Paul Perillo offer in depth interviews with some of the 3 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:38,039 Speaker 1: greatest players and coaches in New England Patriots history. Joined 4 00:00:38,039 --> 00:00:40,279 Speaker 1: by the newarch member of the Patriots Hall Fame, Mike Rabo. 5 00:00:40,399 --> 00:00:42,519 Speaker 1: Find out what led to some of the greatest moments 6 00:00:42,519 --> 00:00:45,519 Speaker 1: in franchise history and unique behind the scenes insight. 7 00:00:45,239 --> 00:00:47,879 Speaker 2: And please to be joined by former Patriot quarterback Brian 8 00:00:47,959 --> 00:00:50,519 Speaker 2: coy Or joined by number thirty seven on your scorecard, 9 00:00:50,519 --> 00:00:53,199 Speaker 2: but number one in our hearts at least Rodney Harrison. 10 00:00:53,439 --> 00:00:55,719 Speaker 2: Good to be home. Good to see you guys. 11 00:00:55,799 --> 00:00:59,599 Speaker 1: Search for Pats in the Past anywhere you get your podcast. 12 00:01:00,359 --> 00:01:11,839 Speaker 2: How y'all doing good? Great first question, great challenge, the sentence, Yeah, 13 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:14,439 Speaker 2: I'll slay. The offense runs through the quarterback, you know, 14 00:01:14,598 --> 00:01:17,238 Speaker 2: good with his feet, he can be through, with his arms, 15 00:01:17,279 --> 00:01:20,039 Speaker 2: he can be who with his legs. U does a 16 00:01:20,039 --> 00:01:23,919 Speaker 2: good job of looking downfield. And then at the same time, 17 00:01:24,199 --> 00:01:27,279 Speaker 2: the skill players. So you look at the backs, all right, 18 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:29,199 Speaker 2: the back able to get downhill and to run a game, 19 00:01:29,279 --> 00:01:31,598 Speaker 2: and they use him on the perimeter. Two. And then 20 00:01:31,639 --> 00:01:34,518 Speaker 2: the skilled receivers, you know have guys who can get open. 21 00:01:34,599 --> 00:01:38,119 Speaker 2: Keenan Allen good veteran player in the league who still 22 00:01:38,199 --> 00:01:40,639 Speaker 2: you know, has the ability to create separation too. And 23 00:01:40,679 --> 00:01:43,839 Speaker 2: then DJ Moore too. He's another a go to guy 24 00:01:44,199 --> 00:01:46,279 Speaker 2: all right, and you put the tight end in there, 25 00:01:47,559 --> 00:01:49,919 Speaker 2: you know where he can be trying to run game 26 00:01:49,999 --> 00:01:52,959 Speaker 2: this I will say he's a good combo player past 27 00:01:53,399 --> 00:01:56,519 Speaker 2: pass blocking and run blocking, catching down the field and 28 00:01:56,639 --> 00:02:01,439 Speaker 2: hard to tackle. So very explosive offense. Who can you know, 29 00:02:01,519 --> 00:02:02,639 Speaker 2: do some damage. 30 00:02:03,279 --> 00:02:05,519 Speaker 3: The quarterbacks that we're saying that keep their head up 31 00:02:06,199 --> 00:02:09,839 Speaker 3: and keep those lives like Caleb, like Drake J. Daniels. 32 00:02:09,999 --> 00:02:13,599 Speaker 3: That's something kind of has developed early traits and these 33 00:02:13,599 --> 00:02:15,439 Speaker 3: guys that you've seen come up or is it just 34 00:02:15,478 --> 00:02:17,398 Speaker 3: something that's an actural thing. 35 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:20,798 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say the league now have has more 36 00:02:20,879 --> 00:02:24,478 Speaker 2: quarterbacks that can do that. You know, can use their arm, 37 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:27,919 Speaker 2: look down the field, can use their legs to create 38 00:02:28,119 --> 00:02:32,079 Speaker 2: you know, different plays, uh scripted plays, which is good. 39 00:02:32,079 --> 00:02:35,399 Speaker 2: You know you can pick up first downs and you're 40 00:02:35,439 --> 00:02:38,599 Speaker 2: in zone coverage sometimes then now it turns into man coverage, 41 00:02:38,599 --> 00:02:41,359 Speaker 2: which we have the plaster on the receiver and it 42 00:02:41,399 --> 00:02:43,999 Speaker 2: really turns into backyard football where they can go and 43 00:02:44,079 --> 00:02:46,719 Speaker 2: you know, make plays and create plays, which these guys 44 00:02:46,719 --> 00:02:50,119 Speaker 2: are most of these quarterbacks are gunslinging quarterbacks who can 45 00:02:50,319 --> 00:02:53,199 Speaker 2: who can do both run and throw, you know, have 46 00:02:53,279 --> 00:02:54,959 Speaker 2: the ability to do both, so which makes it hard 47 00:02:54,999 --> 00:02:55,519 Speaker 2: on defense. 48 00:02:56,239 --> 00:02:58,879 Speaker 3: I was curious, so on god Cha's names focus around 49 00:02:59,159 --> 00:03:01,638 Speaker 3: that you treat saying, let's moren eality to drop things. 50 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:02,799 Speaker 1: But I'm just curious. 51 00:03:03,399 --> 00:03:04,478 Speaker 3: Obviously he wasn't treated. 52 00:03:04,519 --> 00:03:07,119 Speaker 1: So what's just important on the defense, especially concerning your 53 00:03:07,239 --> 00:03:08,159 Speaker 1: questing a lot of mark right now. 54 00:03:08,519 --> 00:03:10,758 Speaker 2: Yeah, as far as the middle of the defense, so 55 00:03:11,599 --> 00:03:14,038 Speaker 2: our nose tackle or three technique, as far as the 56 00:03:14,079 --> 00:03:16,599 Speaker 2: middle of the defense, making sure it anchor that in 57 00:03:16,719 --> 00:03:19,159 Speaker 2: for the run game, that's what we look for him 58 00:03:19,199 --> 00:03:20,758 Speaker 2: to do and push the pocket, you know, that's what 59 00:03:20,879 --> 00:03:22,639 Speaker 2: he's paid to do and that's what we want him 60 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:24,918 Speaker 2: to do. And then just make sure he does a 61 00:03:24,959 --> 00:03:27,839 Speaker 2: good job of handling our guys up front and just 62 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:31,879 Speaker 2: making sure that, uh, he's a leader there too, Marcus. 63 00:03:32,079 --> 00:03:34,519 Speaker 3: What's been keeping se him talking talking and take kind 64 00:03:34,519 --> 00:03:36,959 Speaker 3: of bigger role and can you see his raele continue 65 00:03:37,479 --> 00:03:38,039 Speaker 3: to increase? 66 00:03:38,159 --> 00:03:41,479 Speaker 2: This is sim as well. Yeah, he just started you know, 67 00:03:41,639 --> 00:03:44,559 Speaker 2: practicing a couple of weeks ago, so you know, when 68 00:03:44,559 --> 00:03:46,879 Speaker 2: you when you have a player who just got off injury, 69 00:03:47,159 --> 00:03:50,239 Speaker 2: and then you have a player who not really hasn't 70 00:03:50,279 --> 00:03:52,519 Speaker 2: been with us, you know, in previous years too, So 71 00:03:52,799 --> 00:03:56,039 Speaker 2: just trying to find his role, what has developed that role, 72 00:03:56,159 --> 00:03:57,759 Speaker 2: and then be great in that role and then have 73 00:03:57,879 --> 00:03:59,719 Speaker 2: the opportunities in practice to do it so he can 74 00:03:59,759 --> 00:04:02,279 Speaker 2: do it in the game. So that's really the deal. 75 00:04:02,839 --> 00:04:05,319 Speaker 2: He's doing a good job of learning the playbook, doing 76 00:04:05,359 --> 00:04:08,359 Speaker 2: a good job of making sure that he puts his 77 00:04:08,479 --> 00:04:11,719 Speaker 2: best foot forward on special teams and on defense. So 78 00:04:12,879 --> 00:04:15,559 Speaker 2: we're looking forward to to getting him rolling, which you 79 00:04:15,599 --> 00:04:16,759 Speaker 2: know we need him to get rolling. 80 00:04:16,959 --> 00:04:19,759 Speaker 3: Marcus, how can you coach? You know, I understand part 81 00:04:19,759 --> 00:04:21,639 Speaker 3: of this is Lodger, maybe you can play calling, but 82 00:04:21,759 --> 00:04:24,159 Speaker 3: generating more takeaways. Let's see what you're always aiming for. 83 00:04:24,759 --> 00:04:26,759 Speaker 3: What can you do now forward to get more of those? 84 00:04:27,079 --> 00:04:29,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, for us, it's really about seeking the opportunity every 85 00:04:29,759 --> 00:04:32,119 Speaker 2: time we step out on the field. So we look 86 00:04:32,159 --> 00:04:34,679 Speaker 2: at the we call them the ball barriers of the week, 87 00:04:34,799 --> 00:04:38,399 Speaker 2: So we look at them. You know, who's holding the 88 00:04:38,479 --> 00:04:40,999 Speaker 2: ball in or not, you know, in an incorrect way, 89 00:04:41,039 --> 00:04:43,399 Speaker 2: who's holding the ball away from their body or whether 90 00:04:43,399 --> 00:04:45,079 Speaker 2: it might be the quarterback who has the ball on 91 00:04:45,239 --> 00:04:47,639 Speaker 2: every single play, if him scrambling in the pocket doesn't 92 00:04:47,678 --> 00:04:49,638 Speaker 2: have it, you know, close to his chest, has swinging 93 00:04:49,678 --> 00:04:52,559 Speaker 2: it out or staring down a receiver, you know, So 94 00:04:52,799 --> 00:04:55,478 Speaker 2: things like that, So opportunity for us to have vision 95 00:04:55,519 --> 00:04:58,399 Speaker 2: on the quarterback, break things that we can do to 96 00:04:58,438 --> 00:05:00,439 Speaker 2: get a good break when we have vision on the 97 00:05:00,519 --> 00:05:02,839 Speaker 2: quarterback and that and then the ball carriers, you know, 98 00:05:03,399 --> 00:05:06,519 Speaker 2: securing the tackle, next guy going in punching after the ball. 99 00:05:06,639 --> 00:05:09,439 Speaker 2: So just seeking those opportunities by the way they hold it, 100 00:05:10,479 --> 00:05:12,639 Speaker 2: and then knowing the go to guys who are you know, 101 00:05:12,799 --> 00:05:14,319 Speaker 2: call it disrespectful with the ball. 102 00:05:15,198 --> 00:05:18,919 Speaker 1: The markets kenk cut off to it a big star. 103 00:05:19,119 --> 00:05:22,278 Speaker 2: In terms of the sat the sacks all the time. Yeah, 104 00:05:22,399 --> 00:05:25,399 Speaker 2: what's what's feel the difference just those first couple of 105 00:05:25,479 --> 00:05:33,959 Speaker 2: games in terms of consistent pressure sacks without right, Yeah, 106 00:05:33,958 --> 00:05:35,479 Speaker 2: I wish he could get a sack every game, and 107 00:05:35,479 --> 00:05:38,319 Speaker 2: that would be great, but for us, Yeah, I don't 108 00:05:38,318 --> 00:05:40,279 Speaker 2: look at it as sacks. I look at it as 109 00:05:40,359 --> 00:05:42,919 Speaker 2: long as he's affecting the quarterback in some way. And 110 00:05:43,039 --> 00:05:44,959 Speaker 2: I think if you look at every game, he's back 111 00:05:44,999 --> 00:05:47,359 Speaker 2: there touching the quarterback. So long as he continue to 112 00:05:48,599 --> 00:05:51,959 Speaker 2: you know, be around the quarterback, eventually it'll come, you know, 113 00:05:52,039 --> 00:05:54,639 Speaker 2: eventually he'll he'll make a sack. And the ball is 114 00:05:54,678 --> 00:05:57,119 Speaker 2: coming out quick too, So a lot of these quarterbacks 115 00:05:57,159 --> 00:05:58,878 Speaker 2: are you know, even last week when you look at 116 00:05:58,879 --> 00:06:00,439 Speaker 2: the quarterback like I mean, as soon as the ball 117 00:06:00,519 --> 00:06:03,718 Speaker 2: is coming out super fast, So the holder, the longer 118 00:06:03,759 --> 00:06:05,718 Speaker 2: they hold it, the better chance you have at getting 119 00:06:05,759 --> 00:06:09,079 Speaker 2: at the quarterback and creating a sack. So I think 120 00:06:09,119 --> 00:06:10,758 Speaker 2: he does a great job, specially in the four man 121 00:06:10,879 --> 00:06:14,238 Speaker 2: rush winnings one on one rushes, which he does a 122 00:06:14,359 --> 00:06:17,039 Speaker 2: really good job doing that. And then there's a team 123 00:06:17,159 --> 00:06:19,959 Speaker 2: defense also, you know, there's doing his job, whether it's 124 00:06:20,039 --> 00:06:22,238 Speaker 2: you know, in the in the past game or you know, 125 00:06:22,359 --> 00:06:25,999 Speaker 2: containing the quarterback on a certain call, or doing whatever 126 00:06:26,039 --> 00:06:28,759 Speaker 2: he's actually do based off of the team needs, you know, 127 00:06:28,799 --> 00:06:31,159 Speaker 2: whether it's a different pressure coming and he needs to 128 00:06:31,198 --> 00:06:33,719 Speaker 2: collapse the pocket. So that's kind of I look at 129 00:06:33,759 --> 00:06:35,799 Speaker 2: it playing team ball. He's doing a good job for us, 130 00:06:35,799 --> 00:06:38,559 Speaker 2: and I hope you continue to do that for us. 131 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:41,079 Speaker 2: And I know I don't really look at you know, 132 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:43,238 Speaker 2: sack sack sack, because when you chase for the sack, 133 00:06:43,318 --> 00:06:45,239 Speaker 2: then that's how the quarterback can get out the pocket too. 134 00:06:45,399 --> 00:06:50,318 Speaker 2: So it's about being discipline, control, rush with all our 135 00:06:50,359 --> 00:06:54,359 Speaker 2: guys up front, run the defense, and maybe something they 136 00:06:54,438 --> 00:06:57,439 Speaker 2: need to consistency. Well, what do you attribute that to? 137 00:06:57,759 --> 00:06:59,879 Speaker 3: Just is it focused just because it's like a couple 138 00:06:59,919 --> 00:07:01,959 Speaker 3: of plays or is there more like. 139 00:07:02,039 --> 00:07:06,719 Speaker 2: Why the technique? So yeah, for us, I think when 140 00:07:06,759 --> 00:07:08,998 Speaker 2: you look at it the running game, we got to 141 00:07:09,039 --> 00:07:10,999 Speaker 2: do a good job with our perimeter run for uce 142 00:07:11,359 --> 00:07:13,999 Speaker 2: all right, and then just also just as cutback players 143 00:07:14,039 --> 00:07:17,319 Speaker 2: because around the league is not just running the ball 144 00:07:17,399 --> 00:07:18,999 Speaker 2: down here. A lot of the runs are going out 145 00:07:18,999 --> 00:07:20,799 Speaker 2: to the numbers. So we got to do a good 146 00:07:20,879 --> 00:07:23,079 Speaker 2: job of setting edge or the defense. And when we 147 00:07:23,199 --> 00:07:24,999 Speaker 2: all say set the edge, we might think about the 148 00:07:25,159 --> 00:07:28,919 Speaker 2: defensive line and the linebackers, but we also talk about 149 00:07:28,919 --> 00:07:31,199 Speaker 2: safeties and corners for send it back to the cutback 150 00:07:31,239 --> 00:07:33,839 Speaker 2: players too, So we have to do a good job 151 00:07:33,919 --> 00:07:37,119 Speaker 2: in that. Obviously, continue to be just consistent on that, 152 00:07:37,719 --> 00:07:40,199 Speaker 2: just like you talked about just being really consistent on 153 00:07:40,319 --> 00:07:42,919 Speaker 2: a down to down basis in a running game. So 154 00:07:44,279 --> 00:07:46,839 Speaker 2: that's what we'll continue to preach on that and we 155 00:07:46,958 --> 00:07:50,999 Speaker 2: look at really each team, you know, their runs and 156 00:07:51,078 --> 00:07:52,999 Speaker 2: plus the runs that we got hurt on from the 157 00:07:53,039 --> 00:07:53,559 Speaker 2: previous week. 158 00:07:53,839 --> 00:07:56,159 Speaker 3: Marcus, you mentioned that you do you find teams targeting, 159 00:07:56,439 --> 00:07:58,759 Speaker 3: you know, some smaller lean corners, which doesn't mean they 160 00:07:58,799 --> 00:08:00,879 Speaker 3: can't make the stop, but John spot nine, Marcus is 161 00:08:00,958 --> 00:08:03,279 Speaker 3: by a Marco and know what's brought in on that 162 00:08:03,479 --> 00:08:05,239 Speaker 3: crack costs that they have in a thirty two yards 163 00:08:05,239 --> 00:08:07,199 Speaker 3: at the first drive. You find teams attacking you in 164 00:08:07,239 --> 00:08:09,278 Speaker 3: that way to get into the numbers to block those guys. 165 00:08:09,639 --> 00:08:11,519 Speaker 2: I think that's a league deal, you know. I think 166 00:08:11,599 --> 00:08:13,959 Speaker 2: that's around the league. When you look at every single team. 167 00:08:13,999 --> 00:08:15,919 Speaker 2: We get up here and talk about West Coast systems, 168 00:08:16,359 --> 00:08:19,759 Speaker 2: it's outside running game and inside passing. That's what That's 169 00:08:19,799 --> 00:08:22,799 Speaker 2: what it is. So around the league there's outside running game, 170 00:08:22,839 --> 00:08:26,559 Speaker 2: perimeter runs, and then inside passing. So that's a that's 171 00:08:26,599 --> 00:08:29,519 Speaker 2: around the league. That's uh, you know, every single team. 172 00:08:30,559 --> 00:08:33,559 Speaker 2: It's kind of getting some flavor of that is easy. 173 00:08:33,639 --> 00:08:35,039 Speaker 2: It is an easy way to get the ball out 174 00:08:35,119 --> 00:08:37,718 Speaker 2: in space to a guy like Swift who's good with 175 00:08:37,839 --> 00:08:40,598 Speaker 2: the ball in his hand and can create, you know, 176 00:08:41,599 --> 00:08:42,838 Speaker 2: create explosive runs. 177 00:08:43,199 --> 00:08:44,319 Speaker 3: When it comes to the pass rush. 178 00:08:45,039 --> 00:08:46,358 Speaker 2: When it comes to pass rush, it seems like you 179 00:08:46,399 --> 00:08:48,039 Speaker 2: guys be more effective with your line games. 180 00:08:48,078 --> 00:08:49,639 Speaker 3: I'm wondering if you've seen it the same way, like 181 00:08:49,719 --> 00:08:50,919 Speaker 3: growth in that area, and if. 182 00:08:50,879 --> 00:08:53,478 Speaker 2: So, what has led to that growth. Yeah, I think 183 00:08:53,599 --> 00:08:55,559 Speaker 2: if you just look at the history of our team, 184 00:08:55,639 --> 00:08:57,799 Speaker 2: we've been good at that. We're just you know, with 185 00:08:58,039 --> 00:09:01,479 Speaker 2: games creating those we have players who can win one 186 00:09:01,519 --> 00:09:05,039 Speaker 2: on ones. But I think that you know, when you 187 00:09:05,239 --> 00:09:07,799 Speaker 2: run different you know, twists or games or something like that, 188 00:09:08,039 --> 00:09:10,399 Speaker 2: that's something that we've always been good at, you know, 189 00:09:10,639 --> 00:09:14,078 Speaker 2: And just a history of our defense, that's something that 190 00:09:14,199 --> 00:09:14,839 Speaker 2: we've been good at. 191 00:09:15,239 --> 00:09:20,039 Speaker 1: Last couple of weeks, you know, high others a little 192 00:09:20,039 --> 00:09:22,359 Speaker 1: more from Delle. 193 00:09:23,799 --> 00:09:26,159 Speaker 2: He's doing a good job taking advantage of the opportunities 194 00:09:26,239 --> 00:09:28,479 Speaker 2: that that's getting. And that's what we ask for our 195 00:09:28,519 --> 00:09:31,599 Speaker 2: guys to be ready, you know, when the numbers call. 196 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:35,279 Speaker 2: And this is you know, really throughout every time he's 197 00:09:35,319 --> 00:09:36,838 Speaker 2: having to go in the game, whether it's you know, 198 00:09:37,479 --> 00:09:40,759 Speaker 2: Marte not being there or his you know, Pep or 199 00:09:40,919 --> 00:09:44,599 Speaker 2: to uh Doug and him being able to step up, 200 00:09:44,599 --> 00:09:46,599 Speaker 2: whether it's early down or a third down role. So 201 00:09:47,079 --> 00:09:49,279 Speaker 2: I'm excited to continue to see his growth, you know, 202 00:09:49,359 --> 00:09:52,079 Speaker 2: on the field. And again I think he's learning through 203 00:09:52,159 --> 00:09:55,159 Speaker 2: experiences and consequences, and you know, that's the that's the 204 00:09:55,239 --> 00:09:58,159 Speaker 2: best teacher in life, you know, to experiences and consequences 205 00:09:58,239 --> 00:10:00,319 Speaker 2: on things. And but I think he's trying to do 206 00:10:00,399 --> 00:10:02,599 Speaker 2: a good job of not being a repeat guy and 207 00:10:02,759 --> 00:10:07,399 Speaker 2: making the same mistakes. So and I think, you know, 208 00:10:07,519 --> 00:10:09,559 Speaker 2: Brian does a good job of preparing them every week, 209 00:10:09,639 --> 00:10:13,759 Speaker 2: you know, making sure he's ready to go. Good. Thanks. 210 00:10:15,239 --> 00:10:18,039 Speaker 1: Patriots Playbook joined John Rook as he brings you all 211 00:10:18,079 --> 00:10:21,479 Speaker 1: the latest Patriots Talk an expert commentary direct from Patriots HQ. 212 00:10:22,159 --> 00:10:24,519 Speaker 1: The show features interviews with New England and Opponent Beat 213 00:10:24,519 --> 00:10:26,559 Speaker 1: writers that bring you a unique media view of the 214 00:10:26,599 --> 00:10:28,719 Speaker 1: state of the team for where the Patriots are concerned. 215 00:10:28,999 --> 00:10:31,279 Speaker 1: Let's just get one thing done and let's get it 216 00:10:31,399 --> 00:10:32,919 Speaker 1: done right and then. 217 00:10:32,799 --> 00:10:34,319 Speaker 2: We can worry about versatility. 218 00:10:34,439 --> 00:10:36,759 Speaker 1: Am I lying to anybody here? Let's just get one 219 00:10:36,839 --> 00:10:39,679 Speaker 1: thing done. 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