1 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 1: FT breaking news. We have just learned that Carlos Peltron 2 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:09,959 Speaker 1: is a Hall of Famer. Scotty Brown, A. J. Perzinski, 3 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: and Eric Kratz, let's talk about him. You guys both 4 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 1: faced Carlos Beltron. So what was it like to face 5 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:18,160 Speaker 1: Carlos Beltron and how much does he deserve? 6 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 2: This a lot. 7 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 3: One of the greatest switch hitters I've ever seen played 8 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 3: against Carlos since rookie ball all the way up right. 9 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 2: So one of the greatest switch hitters I ever played against. 10 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 3: Could hit, could hit for power, could steal bases, and 11 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 3: was unbelievably clutch in big moments in the postseason. The 12 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 3: run he had with the Houston Astros that year was 13 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:37,519 Speaker 3: one of the greatest runs, wasn't it. 14 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:41,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, the first go round with the Astros, the second 15 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 1: and did everything. 16 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 3: Yeah, the second goal second round is something completely different. 17 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 1: It held him back for a little bit of time here, 18 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 1: But that's what fans want to hear from us. We'll 19 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 1: get to it. 20 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 2: He deserves to go in. 21 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:54,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, Gokratz, no, his I. 22 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 4: Mean, I just run now Again, I didn't play against 23 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 4: him as long as AJ did, so AJ saw his peak, 24 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 4: his prime. There's a few swings that I'm like, Okay, 25 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 4: you know this guy's a switch hitter. Lance Berkman, you 26 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 4: know he's a switch hitter, Chipper Jones. Switch hitter swings 27 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 4: can be how they are, and those guys are the 28 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 4: elite ones that I've ever seen. But to me, like, 29 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 4: I just remember his left handed swing as a catcher 30 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:24,040 Speaker 4: sitting back there seeing the swing and you go, because 31 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:26,320 Speaker 4: you're always reading swings, and you go, man, it just 32 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 4: always it just felt like his swing was in the 33 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 4: zone the whole time, and you're like, this is the 34 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:33,480 Speaker 4: opportunity we're going to have to be able to get 35 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 4: a ball in on him. Nope, And I mean he 36 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:37,679 Speaker 4: was still he was up there in age mid thirties, 37 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 4: and it just it looks like a long swing. It's 38 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:43,400 Speaker 4: almost like Juan Soto swing in the sense that you're like, 39 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 4: doesn't look like the fastest swing, but it's in this 40 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 4: it's in the zone so long, and he hits the 41 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 4: ball so flush and so square, and he gets to 42 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 4: so many different pitches. It's just like he was one 43 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 4: of those guys that really stood out to me for 44 00:01:58,520 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 4: the years that I played against him. 45 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 1: He had good runs with almost every team that he 46 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 1: was part of Right. I mean, he did a lot 47 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 1: of time with KC and then had some good moments 48 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 1: with the Yankees. 49 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:13,119 Speaker 3: I just remember him Casey, they had him, Jermaine Died, 50 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 3: Johnny Damon in the outfield. 51 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 2: They were all young studs. They had Mike Sweeney, Joe Randa, the. 52 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 3: Joker, they had, They had some good they had some 53 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 3: good players, young players, and I was like, whoa, this 54 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 3: is the big leagues. 55 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 2: Huh. 56 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 3: And then obviously Carlos moved on to multiple teams after that, 57 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:31,080 Speaker 3: but he did a nice job everywhere. 58 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:33,679 Speaker 2: People remember him in New York, both Mets and Yankees. 59 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 1: He was. 60 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 3: Listen, when you look at a Hall of Famer and 61 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:38,519 Speaker 3: you look at his numbers, say, this guy should be 62 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 3: in the Hall of Fame. Okay, I mean he did everything. 63 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 3: He performed in the postseason. He hit four hundred and 64 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 3: thirty five home runs, almost had three thousand hits. 65 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 2: I mean, this guy was he got on bass. 66 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 3: I mean, now, Mets fans also remember when Adam Wayne 67 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 3: Right do him a three two. 68 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 2: Curve ball and struck him out there one pitch. 69 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 3: I know, but this dude had unbelievable run and that 70 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 3: was one of the best pitch of all time. 71 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 2: So Carlos beltch Un deserves being This isn't even an argument. 72 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:05,800 Speaker 3: And if we want to go to the twenty seventeen 73 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 3: oh for a sec I mean, people say, oh, this 74 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 3: is that, But. 75 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:11,640 Speaker 2: There was a lot of other people doing things at 76 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:14,919 Speaker 2: the same time, right right. I played on teams where 77 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 2: guys were doing all kind nothing like that. Crazy. 78 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, but there was always stuff going on. 79 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 3: So you can't that that wasn't something you could hold 80 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 3: against him because they were using the tools that they 81 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 3: were allowed. 82 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 1: Teams, and he was coming over from the Yankees, right, Yes, 83 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:29,799 Speaker 1: And I think there were some things going on there too. 84 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 1: I'm not pointing out just the Yankees. It's the Red Sox. 85 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:34,519 Speaker 1: The Red Sox got caught with some stuff. There was 86 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 1: a lot that was the sign stealing era, and the 87 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 1: Astros took it too far and that changed a lot 88 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 1: of things. But does that prevent a guy for his 89 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 1: entire career from making it to the Hall of Fame, 90 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 1: Because if we're going to start getting that specific on everything, 91 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 1: it gets really challenged. 92 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 2: Now. 93 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 1: He was a ringleader. That was pretty much proven. He 94 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 1: was a big part of it. 95 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 2: He also lost his job as a manager because of it. 96 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 1: He got punished. 97 00:03:57,240 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 2: He's been punished. 98 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:02,119 Speaker 4: It means a matter if you think he was doing 99 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 4: it other times, Like if you think he shouldn't be 100 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 4: in because twenty seventeen wasn't his only year doing some 101 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 4: type of scheme, I would say, look like, let's pump 102 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 4: the brakes on that. Something that I think and I 103 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 4: know from talking to guys that he was probably one 104 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:25,159 Speaker 4: of the best is picking tips up from pitchers. Not illegal, 105 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 4: not illegal at all, picking things up. So what does 106 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:31,839 Speaker 4: that mean? It means he was a supremely talented hitter, 107 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:34,839 Speaker 4: but it also means he was paying attention to the game. 108 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 4: He was trying to find little things. You talk to 109 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 4: Alex Corer, you watch Alex Corer now as a manager 110 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:44,600 Speaker 4: on the bench, you know you'll see him like you'll 111 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 4: see him look over. You'd be like, oh, it's probably 112 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 4: a curveball here. Like guys are picking things up from pitchers. 113 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 4: Carlos Beltron was from what I heard, one of the 114 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 4: best at doing that. So did he go too far 115 00:04:56,560 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 4: with the trash can thing? Yes? Does it exclude him 116 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 4: from the Hall of Fame all the numbers that aj 117 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 4: just pointed out, No, it does not exclude him from 118 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 4: the Hall of Fame. 119 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:10,280 Speaker 1: And there are some people that are like, well, he 120 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 1: did a form of cheating and got caught. Steroid users 121 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 1: did a form of cheating and got caught. I think 122 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 1: we all agree at this point on this show that 123 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 1: if you're caught after testing officially began and attempted to 124 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 1: level the playing field, then that's a differentiator. There are 125 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 1: some people that don't share that opinion, but I certainly do. 126 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 1: I can see cases made before that, But once the 127 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 1: testing and everything was put in place, and then you're 128 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 1: still getting smacked with a ped band, the distrust does 129 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 1: start to emerge. It's very greatly affecting one individual player, 130 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: and for some people that's their line. I do think 131 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 1: there's a line between a guy getting busted for royds 132 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:56,279 Speaker 1: and not knowing how long or what right, versus a 133 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:58,479 Speaker 1: guy being part of a big scandal and one of 134 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 1: the ringleaders for one season and being punished for his 135 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 1: entire career for that. Do you guys agree that it's 136 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 1: two different categories in terms of how you judge a player. 137 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 1: For the Hall of Fame, yeah. 138 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 4: Yes, yes, and the trash can scandal thing for the astros, 139 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 4: everybody needs to understand it wasn't happening on every pitch 140 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:25,479 Speaker 4: because there was teams who knew stuff was going on. 141 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:31,719 Speaker 4: The Astros were petitions were not petitions. Grievances were filed 142 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 4: by other teams on the Astros during that season. Major 143 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 4: League Baseball just turned the blind eye and was like, well, 144 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 4: you guys are just mad because they're you know, they're 145 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 4: doing things and you could be doing things too, Like 146 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 4: this could have been taken care of during that season, 147 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 4: and teams and players took care of it. That's why 148 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:52,159 Speaker 4: you'd see nine visits to the mound. You had to 149 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:54,839 Speaker 4: change your signs. You have to mix things up. If 150 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:56,839 Speaker 4: you mix things up and you switch it and it's 151 00:06:56,880 --> 00:07:01,039 Speaker 4: hard to figure it out, kind of hard to tell 152 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 4: somebody from a camera what's coming if or from a 153 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 4: TV screen what's coming if you're constantly changing it up, 154 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 4: and it's like, all right, it's fine. Steroids. Those dudes 155 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 4: were using it every single pitch. There wasn't a pitch 156 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 4: off that, there wasn't a game off that steroids weren't working. 157 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 3: I don't know want this to turn into this argument, 158 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 3: so I wonder, let's just gme back to Carlos congratulations, 159 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 3: you deserve to be in the Hall of Fame. You're 160 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 3: in the Hall of Fame. In that twenty seventeen year, 161 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 3: he didn't even have a great year. So he won 162 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 3: a World Series, but it was about the other years before. 163 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 1: That, right in a great team year, but he didn't 164 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 1: have a great individual year. That was the end of 165 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 1: his career. 166 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 2: Yes, it was last year. 167 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 3: So listen, this is about Carlos belter On getting elected 168 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 3: to the Hall of Fame. Congratulations, Carlos, you deserve it. 169 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 3: Now I'm going to be fascinating to see what hot 170 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 3: you choose. 171 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 1: Nobody likes a bloated cell phone bill. It can consume you, 172 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 1: it can take over, it can be very annoying. So 173 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 1: I know that twenty twenty five ended CRATS and that's 174 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 1: when you have your end of your sales, but there 175 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 1: actually is still one sale that is running until the 176 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 1: end of the month. 177 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 4: Midmobile. 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I had no 196 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 4: I completely forgot he played for the San Francisco Giants, 197 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 4: and I feel like I'm to have locked into baseball, 198 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:05,320 Speaker 4: like understand when like this was the Eras twenty eleven. 199 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 4: He played for the Giants. So for people who don't know, 200 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 4: you can look up Baseball Reference. He went his first 201 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 4: six years with the Kansas City Royals, crushed it Double 202 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 4: Central in that turf. Then he went to Houston had 203 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 4: just a ridiculous season. Then he I mean a ridiculous 204 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 4: half a season. Then he signed with the Mets. Then 205 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 4: he went to San Francisco for a tick, and after 206 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 4: Wayne Wright struck him out, he's like, well, I'll go 207 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 4: play for him with the Cardinals. So it'll be interesting. 208 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 4: Who do aj Who do you remember Carlos beltron As 209 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 4: and who he should go in as? 210 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 2: Oh? I mean to me, it's a Met, But I 211 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 2: mean he was there the longest. 212 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 3: I mean I remember him coming up with the Royals 213 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 3: because again I played with, I played against him in 214 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 3: the minor league, so I remember him more a royal guy. 215 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 2: But I think that he's a Met. For me, he's 216 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:56,559 Speaker 2: a Met, He's a Met. That's a boy, He's a 217 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 2: Royal just as long. 218 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, I just think. I just say there was more 219 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 3: moments as a Met than as a Royal. 220 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 1: It's close, though, No, in terms of his success with 221 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 1: both teams, it's close. He had some really good seasons 222 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:13,440 Speaker 1: with KC. But I agree, I think he's going to 223 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:16,080 Speaker 1: choose New York. I was more in the middle of 224 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 1: his career. That was the big contract I think he 225 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 1: resonates more with New York. Although, hey, maybe he's pissed 226 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 1: about what happened afterwards. Right he was going to be 227 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 1: a manager. He was Maybe he says, I'm going with KC. 228 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:33,199 Speaker 1: And I don't think anyone would look at it and 229 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 1: be like, well, you can't do that, you can't be 230 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 1: a Royal. He might say, that's what launched my career, 231 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 1: that's what was the foundation of me as a player. 232 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 1: And if you look at my numbers, they were exceptional. 233 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 1: With Kansas City in a similar amount of played appearances 234 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:48,959 Speaker 1: or a similar around of years at least that were locked. 235 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 4: Hey, j did you feel like he was one of 236 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 4: the more underrated players? Because I was coming up through 237 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 4: the minor leagues, you were already in the big leagues. 238 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:58,720 Speaker 4: And when he was playing on the Royals, I just 239 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 4: remember people year in a year out saying this, dude's 240 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 4: really underrated. He didn't make his first All Star team 241 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:06,439 Speaker 4: tail he was twenty seven is last year with the Royals. 242 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:08,439 Speaker 4: Did you feel like he was underrated? 243 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 2: No? I thought inside baseball we knew how good he was. 244 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 2: I don't think I don't think that underrated was a thing. 245 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:17,679 Speaker 2: I mean, people knew that. People that knew knew there 246 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 2: was no underrated. 247 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:20,320 Speaker 3: Trust me, when you went into Kansas City and you're like, oh, 248 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 3: we got Carlos Beltring coming up, you better be careful 249 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 3: here because he'll whack one out. He had like that 250 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 3: flat swing and he just whack one out there and 251 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 3: you're like, right or left hand, it didn't matter. So 252 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 3: and he made he made the outfield look easy. He 253 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 3: was a center fielder at the time he was. 254 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:35,960 Speaker 2: It was good. He was a really good player. 255 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 1: The one thing I'll point out that made him underrated 256 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 1: he was quiet. Quiet. But also if you're inside baseball 257 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 1: and you're watching the games every day, you know about him. 258 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 1: The game was different back then too. It wasn't as 259 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:50,840 Speaker 1: easy in the late nineties and early two thousands to say, 260 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:54,200 Speaker 1: catch a Royals game, right, especially how many times would 261 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 1: they be put on national television? Not a ton. Okay, 262 00:11:57,600 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 1: So if you're a fan of another team and you're 263 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 1: not following the Royals very closely, and you just look 264 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 1: at his counting stats, which were a much bigger deal 265 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:07,440 Speaker 1: back then, right, and you're like, okay, like got good 266 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 1: homer totals, but they're not crazy. Well, now we factor 267 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 1: Kansas City's Ballpark into things a lot more than we 268 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 1: did back then. We factor in, or at least we 269 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 1: try to factor in defense and base running and all 270 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:20,080 Speaker 1: of these things. With statistics. We didn't have that. So 271 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:22,839 Speaker 1: I think if you watch the game, you'd be like, oh, 272 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 1: this guy's a stud, he's a superstar. But if you 273 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:28,080 Speaker 1: did it and you looked at his stats, right, so 274 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 1: let's say his two thousand and one season with Kansas City, 275 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 1: and you're like, okay, three oh six, twenty four, one 276 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:41,199 Speaker 1: oh one, it's really solid, but it's not. It's not 277 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 1: forty something homers and you might not be watching his 278 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 1: defense and have any grades for defense. But nowadays it's 279 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 1: like six and a half win player. Defensive Metrics loved him. 280 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:53,960 Speaker 1: Ops plus was one twenty three that year, so stuff 281 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:57,719 Speaker 1: like that. But anyway, congratulations to Carlos Beltrod and you're 282 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 1: a Hall of Famer. Andrew Jones owed it into the 283 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. What took so long? The dude put 284 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 1: together a superstar career. He was so good for a 285 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:09,680 Speaker 1: long period of time during the beginning of his career. 286 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 1: Maybe he gets punished for the end of his career. 287 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:14,960 Speaker 1: But now they figured it out, So congratulations to Andrew. 288 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 1: And you got to watch a little bit of Andrew 289 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 1: Jones and see how freaking ridiculously good he was. 290 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 3: I got to play with Andrew with the White Sox 291 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 3: towards the end of his career, and he was a 292 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 3: great dude. 293 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 2: He was a great teammate. He was fun as hell 294 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:27,560 Speaker 2: to play with. 295 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:29,680 Speaker 3: And his numbers weren't as great as they were when 296 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 3: I was a Braves fan coming up and getting to 297 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:33,319 Speaker 3: watch him when he was a nineteen year old in 298 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 3: the World Series, hitting homers and making over the over 299 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 3: the wall catches. 300 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 2: But this is a well deserved honor. 301 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:41,199 Speaker 3: Ten Gold Gloves, five All Star Games, a home run Championship, 302 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 3: never won that World Series. It's probably the one thing 303 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 3: he looks back on him says Dang, I wish I 304 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 3: would have got that World Series. But he deserves to 305 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 3: be in the Hall of Fame with his numbers and 306 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 3: with that ten year period where he was absolutely elite. 307 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 4: So cool in an era when like Griffy was before 308 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:01,439 Speaker 4: him and he was cool and smooth. You're like, I'm 309 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 4: growing up a right handed hitter. It's like, I'll never 310 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 4: be that cool. And then Andrew Jones came up. Little 311 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 4: did I know in ninety six when he came up, 312 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 4: he was only three years older than me and I 313 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 4: was still just in high school trying to make my 314 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 4: varsity team. But you'd watch him and he played for 315 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 4: the Braves. I love the Phillies as a kid, and 316 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 4: I'm like, you know, why do I like this guy 317 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 4: so much? Like everything he did was so smooth. His 318 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 4: swing to be able to come up in the World 319 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 4: Series at nineteen and do what he did put him 320 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 4: on the map for me. And seeing him at the 321 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:39,480 Speaker 4: end of his career, the one thing that stayed the same, 322 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 4: and it's something that is endearing to I think a 323 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 4: lot of Braves fans is that that just same every 324 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 4: day smile. It looked like he enjoyed the game, and 325 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 4: oh yeah, he was the best center fielder to play 326 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 4: during his era. Some believe possibly one of the top 327 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 4: two or three to ever play the game. And these 328 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 4: are the pitchers that pitched in front of him and 329 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 4: have enjoyed their Hall of Fame careers because he would 330 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 4: go and get it for him. 331 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 1: That's right, Small, Clavin Maddox incredible pitchers, but certainly didn't 332 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 1: hurt to have Andrew Jones out there in centerfield, and 333 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 1: they speak about him to the highest level. Right, I mean, 334 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 1: I spent a lot of. 335 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 2: Time he played so shallow. He was so great at 336 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 2: going back on balls. 337 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 3: He played very shallow and took away a lot of 338 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 3: those singles in front of him. It was one of 339 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 3: the best diving catchers I've ever seen, where he could 340 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 3: dive and make make LOOKIZI had a good arm. Could 341 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 3: steal bases when he was younger too. People forget that 342 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 3: he could steal bases when he was younger. So I 343 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 3: mean this, I don't know why it took so long. 344 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 3: He started out with like eight under eight percent, barely 345 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 3: stayed on the ballot. 346 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 1: This was his ninth year. 347 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 2: Now, in his ninth year he got in. So congratulations, Andrew. 348 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 1: You only got ten years on the ballot, right, He 349 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 1: was not getting love early on. And then it's this slow, 350 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 1: steady rise. 351 00:15:57,440 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 2: No, it was like slow boomb and then a huge jump. Yeah. 352 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: It's just crazy to look back and be like, if 353 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 1: this is not a gold standard Hall of Fame center fielder, 354 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 1: what are you looking for at that position? And it 355 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 1: is an incredibly difficult position. It is a position that 356 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 1: wears you down right centerfield versus left and right. M hm, 357 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 1: that one's easy. We always see guys they can't. How 358 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 1: many guys nowadays make it through their career just in 359 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 1: centerfield right, they always drop off, and I think teams 360 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 1: are actually dropping them off sooner than ever. Right, that's 361 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 1: a young man's game out there, and it usually leads 362 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 1: to more wear and tear and to injuries. So for Andrew, 363 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 1: you saw that late in his career, and it's not 364 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 1: like he was terrible, like he was still hitting. 365 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 4: He was still hitting a lot of dinger. That's a 366 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 4: lot of dingers to hit in one career. And I 367 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 4: talked to somebody with a Braves organization that ended up 368 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 4: shifting over to the Royals, but they were there during 369 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 4: Andrew Jones time. And Andrew Jones played before shifts, and 370 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 4: they said because of where he could play, it was 371 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 4: like one of the original in the sense that they 372 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 4: could push their opposite field outfielder to the line where 373 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:11,119 Speaker 4: those doubles that their Hall of Fame pitchers would give 374 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 4: up because it was like, oh, this guy was able 375 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 4: to like go out and touch a really good pitch. 376 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:19,200 Speaker 4: They didn't care if the ball got blasted to the gaps. 377 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 4: Why Because Andrew Jones went and got it. And I 378 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 4: truly believe somebody told me this that they think if 379 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 4: they had the cameras and all the like biometric scanning things, 380 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 4: that his range would have actually given him a higher 381 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 4: war than it actually got because now you have, you know, 382 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 4: you have the radius that you're able to play, and 383 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:44,400 Speaker 4: when you play shallow and you still cover so much ground, 384 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:47,679 Speaker 4: your points go way way up, And they think he 385 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 4: would have actually had a higher war, higher outs above 386 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:54,679 Speaker 4: average or whatever the other metric is that they use 387 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:55,360 Speaker 4: for defense. 388 00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:58,440 Speaker 1: There are some guys where now we're looking at like 389 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:02,160 Speaker 1: seven year peak, I mean hit it ten year run. 390 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 1: So that's why I just had a hard time understanding 391 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:09,119 Speaker 1: where some voters were, and I never really got the 392 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 1: answers I was looking for when I would debate Andrew, 393 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:15,399 Speaker 1: because I've been debating his case for a long time. 394 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:17,920 Speaker 1: At this point, I'm like, what am I missing? Right, 395 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:22,399 Speaker 1: the numbers are hitting the eye test that worked. The 396 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 1: eye test worked back then. Right for defense, you were like, 397 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 1: this is the best defensive center fielder. I know you've 398 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 1: talked also about Tory Hunter, and maybe this helps open 399 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:34,200 Speaker 1: up the door for Tory hunter, which is important. 400 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:36,680 Speaker 3: It is important one player that gets in helps out 401 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:40,919 Speaker 3: other players, much like sal salaries. One player helps other players. 402 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 1: I think the media does help here. Obviously I'm biased, 403 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 1: but it does help to state cases for players. I 404 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 1: think the media was starting to politely shame people into 405 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 1: voting for Andrew Jones, like why right, state your case? 406 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 1: Present it, let me see an article about it. And 407 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:57,920 Speaker 1: maybe that happens here with Tory, where you're like, why 408 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 1: you state the case every year? And say Andrew got in. 409 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:03,440 Speaker 1: Tory's got a lot of comps. Let's try and get 410 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 1: him into. The Hall's too small for certain positions for sure, 411 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:09,400 Speaker 1: right agree, I would say it's center field, third base, 412 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 1: and catcher. Those are the three where you're like, you 413 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:15,200 Speaker 1: gotta give more love there, and. 414 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:17,200 Speaker 3: The catcher to me is the one. But that's a 415 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:19,400 Speaker 3: whole different argument because it's such a you don't get 416 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 3: to play, you don't get the number stats because you 417 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 3: don't get to play one hundred and fifty five games year. 418 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 3: If you get one hundred and twenty five, you've had 419 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:28,119 Speaker 3: a lot, especially now they've cut it down to like 420 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 3: one hundred is the max. So it's really hard and 421 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:32,400 Speaker 3: you're gonna have to take a look at some other 422 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:33,880 Speaker 3: guys in their numbers. 423 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why it's tough. Those are two premium positions. Defensively, 424 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 1: then should be getting a lot more love. Shortstop gets 425 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 1: the love the other two don't write. If you're looking 426 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:48,439 Speaker 1: at importance, it's catcher one, shortstop two, center field three. 427 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 3: Everyone builds their team up the middle. They want to 428 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 3: build the team up the middle. So congratulations Andrew. Actually, 429 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:55,919 Speaker 3: you know, I forget you. I'm not calling you Andrew 430 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 3: congratulations fruitcake like you used to call everybody congratulations. Fruit 431 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:02,439 Speaker 3: He got into the Hall of Fame. Now when I 432 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:04,399 Speaker 3: see you, I'm gonna have to actually respect you. So 433 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 3: congratulations Andrew. 434 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:12,119 Speaker 4: The whole, the whole like wearing wearing down, like centerfielder 435 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 4: was wearing down. Like guys not guy. These guys are 436 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 4: not all on the same level. They're all on their 437 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 4: own individual level. You think about Andrew Jones wearing down, 438 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 4: you think about like a Grady Sizemore was having an 439 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:27,359 Speaker 4: incredible year. He wore down Ken Griffey Jr. Was going 440 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:30,159 Speaker 4: to be the greatest player of all time. He was 441 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 4: gonna break Hall of he was gonna break home run 442 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 4: records for your careers, and he started to break down. 443 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 4: Mike Trout, you've seen what's happened all Hall of Fame. 444 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 4: I'm not saying great Sizemore is. I'm just saying that 445 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 4: the position is not for dudes that get into their 446 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:49,639 Speaker 4: mid thirties and for it got you like you have 447 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:52,119 Speaker 4: to kind of look at it differently. This guy burst 448 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 4: onto the scene and did not skip a beat. There 449 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:58,879 Speaker 4: is so many blue icons on the right side of 450 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 4: his on the on the right side of his stat sheet, 451 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:04,200 Speaker 4: it is kind of hilarious. 452 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:08,439 Speaker 1: Wow, now he'll get even more love. We'll see in 453 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 1: Cooper's town. Andrew, congratulations,