1 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. 2 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:17,239 Speaker 2: It is Sunday, December seventh, and this week one country 3 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:19,640 Speaker 2: is doing something that no country on planet Earth has 4 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 2: ever done before. They are banning all kids under the 5 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 2: age of sixteen from social media. And we just got 6 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 2: two new studies that shows they might be onto something. 7 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 2: And with that, welcome to this episode of Aby and 8 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 2: TJ Robes. It's no surprise we get new studies and 9 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 2: new information. But at this point we all understand that 10 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:44,240 Speaker 2: cell phones are bad for kids. 11 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 3: I gues and I think cell phones are probably bad 12 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 3: for all of us because of the way and how 13 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 3: often we use them. 14 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:52,159 Speaker 1: The way we use them. It's not the phone itself, right. 15 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 3: No, it's you know, it's ever since we have these 16 00:00:55,360 --> 00:01:00,279 Speaker 3: smartphone capabilities where we can engage in whatever content we 17 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 3: want or need to make us feel however we want 18 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 3: to feel, and just literally basically disappear away from the 19 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:08,199 Speaker 3: real world. 20 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:13,679 Speaker 2: So, yes, one country is now doing something about the 21 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:15,959 Speaker 2: impact social media is having on kids, and they have 22 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 2: banned it all together. It kicks in this week on Wednesday. 23 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 2: I believe I have it right, and the country is, folks, Australia. Yes, 24 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 2: this is something they have been keeping an eye on 25 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 2: for quite some time. They have this thing and I 26 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 2: have it right. Yes, you're hearing us writing. Folks in Australia, 27 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 2: if you are under the age of sixteen, starting this 28 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 2: week you are not supposed to be on social media. 29 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: You are breaking the law. 30 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:40,319 Speaker 3: Yes, it goes into effect on December tenth. And they 31 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 3: mean business. They've been talking about this for months now 32 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 3: and it actually goes into effect on Wednesday of this week. 33 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 3: And Malaysia is following suit in twenty twenty six, they 34 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 3: are going to do the exact same thing. I wouldn't 35 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 3: be surprised if we start to see countries one by 36 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 3: one putting in these types of bans. The problem is 37 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 3: going to be enforcement, as it almost always is with 38 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 3: any even good or decent law. Good luck enforcing it. 39 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 2: Didn't you just say you wouldn't be surprised to see 40 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:10,079 Speaker 2: more countries do this. Will you deny it? Its states 41 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:10,679 Speaker 2: be one of them? 42 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 1: I doubt it. 43 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 3: No chance in hell, never, no chance, right, absolutely. 44 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 1: Not, not even it's dead on a rifle. 45 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:17,800 Speaker 3: I mean, what we can't even we can't even balance 46 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:20,079 Speaker 3: our budget. You think that we can get something. I mean, 47 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 3: I'm sorry, there's just no way. 48 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:23,920 Speaker 1: You say, balance. We can't even get it in on 49 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 1: time the budget. 50 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:27,640 Speaker 3: We can't even pay our federal employees. 51 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 2: Okay, good, good point there. I don't think it is 52 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 2: ever happened in the United States, but we keep seeing. Look, 53 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 2: every year we get a trickle of new studies and 54 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:37,920 Speaker 2: whatnot about cell phones and the damage to kids and 55 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 2: social media and TikTok and how it's addictive and blah 56 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 2: blah blah blah blah. 57 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:43,519 Speaker 1: But there were two and these. 58 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 2: Are not just studies another random group. These were as 59 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 2: legit as they get, at least in this community. Robes 60 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 2: two studies, one of them in particular, is kind of 61 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 2: giving us a number an age for you better not 62 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 2: be giving your kid a cell phone before this age, 63 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:02,919 Speaker 2: because it shows it's having a very serious impact. 64 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 3: Yes, and I would imagine right about now a lot 65 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 3: of you parents have kids who are asking for a 66 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 3: new iPhone for Christmas or their first iPhone for Christmas. 67 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 3: And look, I know my kids are older. Mine are 68 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:19,079 Speaker 3: twenty three and nineteen. I gave Eva her first iPhone 69 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 3: at thirteen, and Annalise at twelve because she was riding 70 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:24,800 Speaker 3: the bus by herself, so she got one a year earlier. 71 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:28,640 Speaker 3: But they were literally the last in their classes, even 72 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 3: back then ten years ago who got cell phones. And 73 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 3: they were complaining to me starting at about nine or ten, 74 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 3: and they wanted an iPhone and all the study says, 75 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 3: you did the right thing, yes, but you know what, 76 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 3: it was hard and they were really upset with me, 77 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 3: and who knows what else they sneaked around and did. 78 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 3: But I understand the need for a phone for safety purposes. 79 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 3: As parents, Yes, you want to be able to be 80 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 3: in contact with your child when they're away from you, 81 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 3: and a cell phone is the best and easiest way 82 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 3: to do it. So I totally get it. That's when 83 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 3: I wish we had flip phones. That's when I wish 84 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 3: we could just have the contact and not give them 85 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 3: all the content. That's the tough part. 86 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: Well, they get that. Can you imagine trying to give 87 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 1: a kid a flip phone these days? 88 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 3: Oh mommy, I'd rather not have a phone at all. 89 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 3: That's so embarrassing. 90 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 1: That's probably what it's going to be. 91 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:17,599 Speaker 2: But folks, there is a this week is study in 92 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 2: the Journal Pediatrics taking a look at cell phones and 93 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 2: when a kid should get one, and they found that 94 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 2: there was a particular age in which it has just 95 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 2: a really devastating impact. And we're talking about things along 96 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 2: the likes of depression, anxiety, obesity, and they're pointing to it. 97 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 2: I'm not sure how they landed on this, but they 98 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:40,839 Speaker 2: are saying, Robes, if you give a kid the cell 99 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 2: phone before this age, you're probably doing more damage than 100 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:47,600 Speaker 2: you realize. 101 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 3: Yes, here is what the published article, the results of 102 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 3: this really interesting study that they did in the General 103 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 3: Pediatrics said, children who had a smartphone by the age 104 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:03,600 Speaker 3: of twelve, we're at higher risk of depression, obesity, and 105 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 3: insufficient sleep than those who did not yet have one. 106 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:11,160 Speaker 3: So the younger that children under twelve were when they 107 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 3: got their first smartphones, the greater their risk of depression, obesity, 108 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 3: and poor sleep. 109 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 2: Package Hey, uf, you all hear that. That's the key 110 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 2: is if it's before twelve, and the younger they are 111 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:26,839 Speaker 2: before twelve, the greater the risk is are for these moments. 112 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:31,160 Speaker 2: This is a pretty clear indication, at least to each 113 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 2: his and her own And I know kids are different 114 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:35,919 Speaker 2: can hand a responsibility differently, but this is something we 115 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:36,919 Speaker 2: got to pay attention to. 116 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, So they said, the big takeaway from this study 117 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 3: that they did is that age matters. It matters. They said, 118 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 3: a kid at age twelve is This was a direct 119 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:48,159 Speaker 3: quote from one of the researchers. A kid at age 120 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 3: twelve is very, very different than a kid at age sixteen. 121 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 3: It's not like an adult at age forty two versus 122 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 3: forty six. There are significant differences in kids, and this 123 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 3: is a really important time of life when kids' brains 124 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 3: are developing at a very rapid pace. They're taking in 125 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:06,119 Speaker 3: so much and they're learning habits, they're learning attention span, 126 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 3: all of those things. So when they're just flipping and 127 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 3: scrolling and then they're comparing and contrasting and wishing they 128 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 3: had things different than and everyone else looks happier than them. 129 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 3: Like we struggle with this as adults. I cannot imagine 130 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 3: having to navigate social media and all of what it's 131 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 3: telling me I should have or should look like when 132 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 3: you're that age. 133 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:31,679 Speaker 2: It drives me crazy. It's we've been we've spent some time. 134 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 2: We were traveling with Sabine over the weekend twelve. Look, 135 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 2: she's always bouncing around with us and doing stuff, so 136 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 2: she's never in a point where she's just sitting in 137 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:42,720 Speaker 2: a corner by herself, necessarily, but at night it drives 138 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:45,159 Speaker 2: me crazy to see her. We might have a game on, 139 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:48,600 Speaker 2: our movie on, and she is very comfortable just scrolling, scrolling, scrolling, 140 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:51,839 Speaker 2: scroll for hours, like looking at a ten second clip. 141 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 2: I don't And yes, it's addictive. I understand that it is. 142 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 2: I don't understand that. I ask all the time, what 143 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 2: is the appea of what you're seeing? 144 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 1: I don't know. 145 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:05,040 Speaker 2: It's entertainment, it's their form, it's their thing, it's what 146 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 2: they're coming up with. But I don't get it, and 147 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 2: it's driving me crazy. 148 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 3: I absolutely understand that, because ironically, you said, we watch 149 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 3: our kids spend hours scrolling, doom scrolling, and they're not 150 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 3: focusing on one thing. They probably focused on ten thousand things. 151 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 3: So it's teaching them this. Just they're not able to focus. 152 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 3: They're not able to stay and watch a full movie. 153 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 3: They my kids don't even listen to full songs. That 154 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 3: drives me crazy. I was like, let the song finish. 155 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 3: They get bored with the song halfway through and just 156 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:37,239 Speaker 3: keep and switch it to the next one. And that 157 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 3: is absolutely I believe a byproduct of these phones and 158 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 3: their attention spans. I was like, you can't even listen 159 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 3: to a three minute song without changing it to the 160 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 3: next one because you're bored already. That is like telling. 161 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 2: To me, Okay, let's not go too old fogy on 162 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 2: this episode, because we're starting to sound like it. My 163 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 2: question is we talk about the age here with this study, 164 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 2: the kids should or shouldn't get phones, and we talk 165 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 2: about we talked about Australia already, how do you keep 166 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 2: a kid from These kids are smarter than all of 167 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 2: us obviously when it comes to cell phones. That's the 168 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 2: question you brought up in the very beginning. How do 169 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 2: you enforce this thing? And it's more so they're not 170 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 2: going to go after the kids and try to right. 171 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 2: They're not for breaking the law if you will. It's 172 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 2: more so they're going to go after these social media companies, 173 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 2: but they put whatever policies in place to try to 174 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 2: keep a kid off who's under the age of sixteen. Already, 175 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:32,719 Speaker 2: there are reports and kids out there putting it out 176 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:34,599 Speaker 2: how they've beaten the system already. 177 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 3: They already know how to navigate around. In fact, they 178 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 3: actually were proudly putting their names out there, yes with 179 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:44,079 Speaker 3: talking to news outlets saying I already know how I'm 180 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:46,560 Speaker 3: getting around. My friends already know how we're getting around it, 181 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:48,719 Speaker 3: but at least if they're making it more difficult. Look, 182 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:51,680 Speaker 3: the inevitability of something doesn't make it right. I've always 183 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 3: believed that, and so they're saying this isn't right. We 184 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 3: know this isn't good for our kids. This is incredibly 185 00:08:56,600 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 3: harmful what we're allowing our children to expeci and think 186 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:03,840 Speaker 3: about it. The obesity rates in this country and around 187 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 3: the world are skyrocketing. Kids aren't moving, they aren't getting outside, 188 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 3: they aren't interacting, they don't have social skills, they aren't 189 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 3: physical people like all of those things. Look, as parents, 190 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 3: we can try to help navigate. You know, I tried 191 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:17,959 Speaker 3: to do this until they got into high school and 192 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 3: then they're like I needed for homework and I had 193 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 3: to go to bed early. But I kept devices out 194 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:24,439 Speaker 3: of the bedrooms, like there was like an eight thirty 195 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 3: nine PM policy when mom went to bed, the phones 196 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 3: went into my room and we're charging in my bedroom. 197 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:33,320 Speaker 3: And that was the only way I could have any 198 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 3: kind of control over the hours in which they were 199 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 3: looking at all of this content. 200 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 2: And the experts will tell you that is a very 201 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 2: good first step, right, your kids are going to have 202 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 2: a phone. That's one thing you can do. I don't 203 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 2: do that with Sabine. She and for the most part, 204 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 2: I trust it. She likes to sleep and likes to 205 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:51,719 Speaker 2: go to bed, but still from nine to ten, it 206 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 2: shouldn't be the last thing she's doing. Everybody will tell 207 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 2: you that's staring at a screen. No matter what age 208 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 2: you are, it's the last thing you should be doing. 209 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 2: But that is a good sometimes difficult. I guess was 210 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 2: it tricky for you? 211 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:02,679 Speaker 3: It? 212 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:03,560 Speaker 1: Did they push back? 213 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 3: Oh? Of course they did. They were very upset with me. 214 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 3: And then of course when they got into high school, 215 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 3: they said they needed their iPad for homework and they 216 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 3: hadn't done their homework. And I had to go to 217 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 3: bed because I had to get up early, and so 218 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 3: I just had to go ahead and trust them. But yes, 219 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 3: they'll tell me. Oh, I stayed up till two am 220 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 3: watching whatever Gray's Anatomy, and I couldn't stop watching it. 221 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:24,080 Speaker 3: But you'll even see Sabine will be in a certain 222 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:25,680 Speaker 3: mood and then she'll be on her phone and something 223 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:29,239 Speaker 3: will happen. We don't know what. Mood will suddenly drastically 224 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 3: change and you see it happen and obviously it's nothing 225 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 3: that's around us. It's something that's happening on that phone. 226 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:38,959 Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, dad phone. Oh, I followed her. I'd 227 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 2: be crazy. Well, folks, that is I think the age 228 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 2: they're saying now is eleven is the average age. The 229 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 2: study says twelve is the age you certainly shouldn't at 230 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:53,599 Speaker 2: least the information shows them you probably shouldn't give a 231 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 2: kid a phone before twelve. But the median age shows 232 00:10:56,920 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 2: that it's eleven in the country, which means that's the 233 00:10:59,000 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 2: average a lot. 234 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:02,560 Speaker 3: Of nine year olds and we see them walking around 235 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:05,840 Speaker 3: have those smartphones. I was like, bring the flip flip 236 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:06,560 Speaker 3: phone back. 237 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:09,719 Speaker 1: I'm one hundred percent okay with you. 238 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 3: I would love that. 239 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 1: I prefer one at. 240 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 3: Times, you know what, You're right, I do like my 241 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 3: Google Maps. I get lost a lot. But short of that, yes, 242 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:19,559 Speaker 3: I agree. 243 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 2: Well, folks, we told you there were several major headlines 244 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 2: related to kids and cell phones. Yes, one is that 245 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:29,079 Speaker 2: Australia're going to become the first country to ban social 246 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 2: media for kids under the age of sixteen. We tell 247 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 2: you about this study now that shows that twelve is 248 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:35,440 Speaker 2: really that sweet spot where you shouldn't give a kid 249 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 2: a cell phone. But there was another study this week 250 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 2: that showed and folks, stay here because. 251 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:43,959 Speaker 1: You are not going to believe how. 252 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 2: Much people's life, moods, everything changes once they put that 253 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 2: phone down, and they didn't even have to put it 254 00:11:52,679 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 2: down for that long. Stay here, all right, folks, We 255 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:10,199 Speaker 2: continue here on Amy and TJ talking about these cell 256 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:12,959 Speaker 2: phones these kids. This is as old, folky of an 257 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 2: episode as we have ever done. 258 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 3: Back in day, get. 259 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 1: Off my lawn. 260 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:21,440 Speaker 2: When I was a kid, did you know I didn't 261 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 2: talk to my mom until I got home at night. 262 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:27,679 Speaker 2: I mean, it's wild. Okay, sorry, this is uh No 263 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:29,719 Speaker 2: matter what you do, you're gonna become your parents at 264 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 2: some point. This is just what happens. So yes, Australia 265 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 2: gonna be the first country in the world this week 266 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 2: to ban social media use for kids under the age 267 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:39,680 Speaker 2: of sixteen. We got a new study from Pediatrics, the 268 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 2: journal Pediatrics that shows that yes, the younger a child 269 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 2: is before the age of twelve and getting a cell phone, 270 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 2: the higher their risk is for depression, anxiety, obesity, and 271 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 2: then roles. We got one other study. This is the 272 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 2: one that kind of blew my mind. And how much 273 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 2: we can improve our lives, just like getting off that 274 00:12:58,240 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 2: phone for a short time. 275 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 3: Yes, and not even completely. This was a study published 276 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 3: in Jamma, so a very reputable organization, and they actually 277 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:11,320 Speaker 3: had volunteers between the ages of eighteen and twenty four 278 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:17,959 Speaker 3: who said, we will dramatically reduce our social media intake. 279 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 3: So they didn't stop it completely, but they were basically 280 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 3: their rules were stay off social media media as much 281 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:28,320 Speaker 3: as possible. So on average, this group that they studied 282 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:32,679 Speaker 3: reduced their consumption of social media to just half an 283 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 3: hour or at least under two hours a day, which, 284 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:37,960 Speaker 3: by the way, I'm not even on it that much. 285 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 3: So they reduced their social media intake to under two hours. 286 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 1: You know what wasn't Did you see what it was before? 287 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 1: Good god, I know two hours. 288 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:49,080 Speaker 3: I don't know what it was before, but it must 289 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 3: have been significantly longer. 290 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 1: Well, you know what they said. The volunteers were eighteen 291 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 1: to twenty four. 292 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:56,200 Speaker 2: Yes, I wonder what the average time on social media 293 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 2: per day for an eighteen to twenty four years. 294 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 3: I should ask. I've got that exact age grew are 295 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 3: my daughters nineteen to twenty three? And I would guess 296 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 3: I mean, if I asked, you can find out it 297 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 3: is probably five hours more. 298 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:13,319 Speaker 1: I want a day a day. There's not that much 299 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:14,200 Speaker 1: time in a day. 300 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:18,679 Speaker 3: Honestly, children communicate with me throughout the day before they 301 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 3: call TikTok videos. 302 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 2: So that tells me, damn, did she just open the door? 303 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 2: I wonder I want to ask. I think you can 304 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 2: check your front. I'm very curious to see. So, I mean, 305 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 2: can you check to see how long you were on 306 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 2: TikTok and social media? 307 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 1: Like in several days? 308 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 3: She is cringing her face. She doesn't want to tell you. 309 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 1: Say check for me. 310 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 2: Just pick a couple of days and tell me how 311 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 2: long you were on social media, all of it and 312 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 2: the day. 313 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 3: I'm just curious, Okay, go ahead, She'll report back. Yes. 314 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 3: So they that's that's wild to me. That that was the 315 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 3: study that was them reducing it under two hours a day. 316 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 3: So before they did this, they answered questions about their depression, 317 00:14:55,920 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 3: their anxiety, insomnia, loneliness, just a number of different issues 318 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 3: that folks face when you know they're dealing with their 319 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 3: mental health. So the symptoms of anxiety after they took 320 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 3: this break dropped by more than sixteen percent. The symptoms 321 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 3: of depression dropped by almost twenty five percent. That is 322 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 3: that's remarkable. I got chills thinking about that. How many 323 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 3: people suffer from depression? If you just reduce your social 324 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 3: media intake, you could have a quarter Like that's huge, 325 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 3: that's amazing. A quarter percent or yeah, twenty five percent. 326 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 3: Symptoms of insomnia drop by almost fifteen percent, and they 327 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 3: say the improvements that we're talking about. These numbers were 328 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 3: most pronounced with people who initially said they had severe depression. 329 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 3: So the more you were depressed going into this study, 330 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 3: the more you were helped by taking a break from 331 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 3: social media. 332 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 2: Soon you're talking about it sounds silly like every doctor, 333 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 2: everybody should that comes in right and says they're feeling 334 00:15:57,120 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 2: these anxiety or. 335 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:00,120 Speaker 3: Depression, they usually get a prescription for. 336 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 2: What I'm saying, should are they doing? This is the 337 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 2: doctor's first thing out of his mouth. What are your 338 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 2: social media habits? 339 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 1: Doubtful? 340 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 3: Probably not doubtful? 341 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 2: Is it in there? 342 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 3: They'll probably ask you, what's your relationship like with your mom? 343 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 3: Moms always get to blame. 344 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 1: Oh my again, it's not that episode. 345 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 3: Bro. 346 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 1: Sorry, Okay, Sabine, you're gonna have to come help me. 347 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 2: Make sense of what I'm seeing, because I'm very disturbed 348 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 2: by what I'm seeing. It doesn't make any sense, sweetheart, 349 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 2: So give me a day tell me that. 350 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 3: Yeah what, Yeah, that's what I thought. Five hours. 351 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, no talk. 352 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 3: Alone, So five hours that was my guess. I asked, 353 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 3: let's see this, you know. 354 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 2: She even softened it. She says, it's like two hours. 355 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 2: It's two hours and fifty five minutes and one day 356 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 2: on TikTok. So the total for the day was this, Yeah, 357 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 2: five hours, says five hours of forty. 358 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 3: Minutes, almost six hours. I'm telling you that is probably 359 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 3: Sabine is not any different than any other thirteen year 360 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 3: old terrible parents, and that is that is Also if 361 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 3: I checked avan anasons they aren't with me right now, 362 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 3: it's probably similar. 363 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:13,400 Speaker 1: Oh my, see you lying TikTok alone. 364 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 3: But then total it's almost six hours right on social 365 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:19,439 Speaker 3: These are the totals his by the way, everyone, if 366 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 3: you could see TG right now, his jaw is genuinely dropped, like. 367 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:24,439 Speaker 1: These are days. 368 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 2: That's a day for one day, that's what you're on 369 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 2: social media. Oh the phone, okay, but still that's terrible. Okay, 370 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:34,120 Speaker 2: she's on. 371 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:42,479 Speaker 4: That amazing It was like Monday, Dad, Monday, she's on 372 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 4: the phone for eight hours and forty eight minutes. 373 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:51,200 Speaker 1: Sweetheart, It's okay, but that's the total. 374 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:55,640 Speaker 2: Yes, okay, TikTok two hours and forty minutes that day. 375 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 2: Why five hours and forty minutes on TikTok on Tuesday 376 00:17:58,720 --> 00:17:59,440 Speaker 2: December second? 377 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 1: Okay, will yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, that Apple. You know them. 378 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 1: They can't get anything right on those iPhones. Stop. 379 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 3: Okay, how shocked are you? 380 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 1: But that's the thing. 381 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:13,680 Speaker 2: I know how much she does it when you see 382 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:15,359 Speaker 2: the numbers, And I encourage everybody if you have a 383 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 2: kid who has an iPhone, go to that section of 384 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 2: screen time and just spend a minute looking and you'll go, 385 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:24,399 Speaker 2: what the actual fuck that is insane. I don't know 386 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 2: how I can't find three hours in my day to 387 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 2: look at a social media. 388 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 3: I mean, will you look on mind to see what 389 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:34,360 Speaker 3: mine was? This is what I'm just curious, Like, I'm 390 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:36,120 Speaker 3: just curious because I don't even know how to look. 391 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:36,640 Speaker 1: Oh my god. 392 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:38,879 Speaker 2: Okay, So to your point, ro it's about this study 393 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 2: that we're talking about, you, sweetheart, This WEE could solve. 394 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:44,560 Speaker 2: It sounds like a bunch of the problems that we 395 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 2: are using pills to solve yes by doing simple little 396 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:49,359 Speaker 2: behavioral changes. 397 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 3: It's kind of an AHA moment because, look, I've even 398 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:55,880 Speaker 3: had my daughter say to me, I really think I'd 399 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:58,160 Speaker 3: like to talk to a therapist. I'm feeling anxiety, I'm 400 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:02,120 Speaker 3: feeling depression. A lot of our girlfriends are on medications, 401 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 3: and somehow I think she thinks she needs to be too, 402 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:08,400 Speaker 3: because everybody's on something that their therapists prescribed for them. 403 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:10,879 Speaker 3: And then you see a study like this, and I was, 404 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 3: and in my mind, I'm thinking back to when I 405 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 3: was in college, and sure, everybody has a lot of 406 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 3: changing attitudes and there's a lot of shifting and changes 407 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:21,880 Speaker 3: in your life, so you feel maybe anxiety, but not 408 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 3: at this level. And literally social media would be the 409 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 3: number one thing that is different between then and now. 410 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, what's mine? Sabine say, it's not true. It's 411 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:37,680 Speaker 3: just two hours and thirty one minutes on messages. Oh okay, messaging, Yes, 412 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:38,879 Speaker 3: that's the thing I use it the most for. 413 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:42,200 Speaker 1: I'm not saying like any I don't. 414 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:45,359 Speaker 3: Really go on social media anymore for like an hour, 415 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 3: so I googling things. Instagram today was just one minute, 416 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 3: one minute, But can you see yesterday, yesterday it was 417 00:19:54,840 --> 00:20:01,440 Speaker 3: twenty four minutes on twenty four minutes. Yep, that's it. 418 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:04,160 Speaker 3: So I got twenty four minutes on social She's hunting. 419 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:06,919 Speaker 1: She can't find any social media usage of yours. 420 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 4: That is because I'm living my life, my life. Look, 421 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:12,400 Speaker 4: we don't want to check it, but of course we do, 422 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:14,880 Speaker 4: but we all and I don't want to take away 423 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 4: from anybody. Social media has some wonderful uses. 424 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 2: Obviously we're talking about kids here, and I just think 425 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:22,880 Speaker 2: it's remarkable the difference that can be made, the differ. 426 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:25,440 Speaker 1: What am I looking at? 427 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 3: Yes, I play music a lot, see like that's the 428 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 3: phone is like for us Spotify number one Spotify and messages. 429 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:40,439 Speaker 3: I message people. That definitely is my longest That's my 430 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:45,359 Speaker 3: most usage of my phone is messaging children, parents, friends, 431 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 3: that's my number one thing. 432 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:49,440 Speaker 2: Well, she's looking through ours and she has to scroll down. 433 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:51,360 Speaker 2: Social media isn't registered. 434 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:54,479 Speaker 3: Her jaw is dropped. She can't believe, yeah, you're not 435 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 3: on social media the way they are. 436 00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 2: That is incredible. Look, it's it tells you everything. But 437 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 2: this this other study, this last one we're talking about here. 438 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 2: I think this if we pay attention to everybody. You 439 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:06,879 Speaker 2: don't have to go to a doctor, you don't have 440 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:09,400 Speaker 2: to do stop on your own, and you will see 441 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:12,119 Speaker 2: how different you feel. They are saying this as plain 442 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:16,639 Speaker 2: as day. Get off social media and you will feel better. 443 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 3: I want to quote the co author of this study 444 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 3: out of jama This is what this doctor said. If 445 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 3: you are struggling with a mental health condition and you 446 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 3: have treatment already, it is likely worthy experimenting to see 447 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:35,359 Speaker 3: whether reducing social media makes you feel better. And he 448 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:40,160 Speaker 3: said the mental health benefit isn't about changing your overall 449 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:42,639 Speaker 3: scream time. It's not about getting off your phone. You 450 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 3: might use it for other things. It is specifically about 451 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 3: social media. So it's He's like, it's we're not telling 452 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 3: you you can't use your phone, don't constantly be on 453 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:55,200 Speaker 3: social media. He said, this is a solution that will 454 00:21:55,200 --> 00:22:00,679 Speaker 3: empower most parents and young people themselves use less social media, 455 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 3: and there was a reasonable chance you will start to 456 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 3: feel a whole lot better. 457 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 2: I think this is wonderful a tool we can all have, 458 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 2: and it's not hard to implement, it's not complicated. 459 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 1: I love this is real. 460 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:15,879 Speaker 2: This good information that can improve your health, and you 461 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:19,359 Speaker 2: have the power to do it. I love this information. Please, 462 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 2: by all means spread it so I love them. 463 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 3: You know, I have chools because it is empowering. And 464 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 3: I know that Ava, when she was about a senior, 465 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:28,640 Speaker 3: she was really struggling a little bit and she got 466 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:31,720 Speaker 3: off social media. She actually deleted her accounts and she 467 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 3: said she noticed a huge improvement when I took those 468 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 3: girls hiking one week where there was no cell service. 469 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 3: Ava said, her mental health and she recognized it. I 470 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,679 Speaker 3: think you can't force this on your kids, but if 471 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:45,439 Speaker 3: you get them to join in an experiment with you 472 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 3: and they genuinely feel better, they will then make the 473 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 3: decision on their own. That's the only way it's going 474 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 3: to work. If they recognize how differently they feel, they 475 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:57,360 Speaker 3: will choose and make better choices. And I think that 476 00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 3: is cool to have that information and just say, hey, 477 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 3: we're going to do a family experiment or we're going 478 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 3: to try this for a week and see how we 479 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:07,439 Speaker 3: all feel. And I feel like it's going to be 480 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:09,880 Speaker 3: something that is undeniable. 481 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 2: And look to we understand and we respect that there 482 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 2: are people out there who are struggling who have I 483 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 2: guess heavy or deeper, more serious issues that they do 484 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:20,359 Speaker 2: need help. They do need, doctors, they do need maybe 485 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 2: even medicine. Yes, But combined with this, I think for 486 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:26,160 Speaker 2: so many people, and maybe even the. 487 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 1: Majority, this could work. 488 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 2: So we encourage you all. This is very interesting stuff 489 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 2: this week. And wow, we learned a lot about kids 490 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:35,120 Speaker 2: and their cell phones. 491 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 3: You've learned a lot because apparent, but every single person listening, 492 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 3: if you go do that, I think you will be shocked, Like, 493 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 3: look at your phone and then look at their phone 494 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:46,119 Speaker 3: and compare it. 495 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 2: Well, folks who always appreciate you spending some time with us. 496 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 2: We've got some parenting to go do, apparently, but for now, 497 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:53,920 Speaker 2: I don't make that face at me. For now, I'm 498 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 2: d J. Holmes on behalf of my dear Amy Robach 499 00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 2: and my daughter Sermine Holmes. Talk to Oultser