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Speaker 1: Welcome into part two of the podcast with Nick Right
Speaker 1: being off lit quarterback Jay laser Al who says this,
Speaker 1: it is the most miserable thing in the league.
Speaker 2: So Atlanta, So yeah, righted Raheem Morris, Reem Morris was
Speaker 2: a coaching hotshots the wrong word, but like the youngest coach
Speaker 2: in the league, like on this what happened? No quarter
Speaker 2: very quarterback. And so then for a decade he's grinding
Speaker 2: himself back, and I think he's probably like never again,
Speaker 2: never again, Like I'm going to give myself a floor
Speaker 2: at that spot. So I understand that I just and
Speaker 2: maybe I'm spoiled because the team I root was beating
Speaker 2: for championships.
Speaker 1: Smart ass, and and the Chiefs and the Packers for
Speaker 1: most of my life have at least been B to
Speaker 1: B plus at quarterbaas the right.
Speaker 2: The Chiefs never had the guy, but they had Trent
Speaker 2: green Day an Alex. They they had, they were They
Speaker 2: weren't terrible except for a few years. But I'd like, man,
Speaker 2: if you're a Falcons fan, try to go be great.
Speaker 2: If you sign Kirk, you let me. I'll tell you.
Speaker 2: Somebody asked me today who I thought won the draft? Right,
Speaker 2: So I'm going to give you a wild take on that. Okay,
Speaker 2: I think you can make an argument the Giants won
Speaker 2: the draft because New England didn't take their Trade's reported
Speaker 2: yesterday that the Giants offered six and next year's number
Speaker 2: one for the third pick, And I'm like, oh, so
Speaker 2: they hoped to draft Drake May at three, not add
Speaker 2: any weapons in the first round, to trade the pick
Speaker 2: and have Drake May, a twenty one year old with
Speaker 2: high upside but who was a radic at North Carolina
Speaker 2: at put him behind that offensive line with those weapons.
Speaker 2: Guess what I think that they'd done, that they'd be
Speaker 2: drafting number one next year and they'd be sending it
Speaker 2: to New England like Carolina just did. Like the fact
Speaker 2: that the Giants now have next year's number one. This year,
Speaker 2: you know, maybe Drew Lock plays, maybe Daniel Jones plays,
Speaker 2: but a last he has a weapon, and then next
Speaker 2: year you try to go find your quarterback. That I
Speaker 2: think New England turning that trade down was a bit
Speaker 2: of a mistake they'll regret. I think that you could
Speaker 2: have gone to six, gotten Giants number one next year,
Speaker 2: and at six, we know Minnesota is willing to give
Speaker 2: you eleven and twenty three, so you could have had
Speaker 2: eleven and twenty three to add players, your first rounder
Speaker 2: and the Giants first rounder next year, start Jakobe for
Speaker 2: a season and then that's what I would have done
Speaker 2: far for New England. But New England's GM was auditioning
Speaker 2: for his job. He doesn't even have it yet, and
Speaker 2: the owner said, I want a quarterback, so I guess
Speaker 2: he's gonna draft a quarterback.
Speaker 1: I had an executive in the league said, if you're
Speaker 1: the Giants, you are rooting for Bryce Young and Will
Speaker 1: Levis because then the only other team that's guaranteed to
Speaker 1: take a quarterback.
Speaker 2: Is the Raiders.
Speaker 1: So somebody said, he said, he said to me, you
Speaker 1: are rooting for that great point and Bryce Young to
Speaker 1: hit if you're the Giants, because then it's like us
Speaker 1: and the Raiders need quarterbacks and they'll be two good prospects.
Speaker 1: You know, Shador Sanders, the kid cam Ward at Miami
Speaker 1: who's pretty interesting. There's a kids that the other Dame
Speaker 1: got a transfer who's pretty int.
Speaker 2: No, and I the Quinn Yours people like him. And
Speaker 2: then there's one more that we're forgetting. That's the guy
Speaker 2: who's most likely to go number one. I talked about
Speaker 2: on the show today, So I see if I can
Speaker 2: remember it. But the I was just about to look like,
Speaker 2: hold on a second, who are the teams that could.
Speaker 1: Raiders, Titans, Giants and Carson beck is the other one,
Speaker 1: the kid from Georgia that people don't think he's a
Speaker 1: top five pick. I think he's Georgia good.
Speaker 2: I think you're probably right. But the if you look
Speaker 2: at I was gonna look through the NFL like teams
Speaker 2: that you know, Buffalo, no, Miami, No, the Jets are
Speaker 2: maybe if Aaron gets hurt, if Aaron gets hurt, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean? The Jets are a maybe. New England, No, Baltimore,
Speaker 2: Cleveland is a maybe. I don't know what I mean.
Speaker 2: They're and I mean that's a rough spot, man. Uh
Speaker 2: but Pittsburgh and Pittsburgh's a maybe. So there's a bunch
Speaker 2: of maybees. But there's not a lot of definites to
Speaker 2: your point, like the because everybody when six quarterbacks going
Speaker 2: round one, everybody thinks they have a quarterback, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, Like, there's just the you mentioned.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, sorry, and they'll at least give those quarterbacks
Speaker 1: till Thanksgiving of the second year. And so this executive
Speaker 1: said the bottom line, if you're the Giants, he said,
Speaker 1: I don't think Will Levis is gonna work. He said,
Speaker 1: I think Bryce will. He liked Bryce. He said, Bryce
Speaker 1: is talented. He's not as big as you'd like, but
Speaker 1: they got him weapons, they got him a really good
Speaker 1: wide receiver. He's like, Bryce will move the chains. They'll
Speaker 1: stick with him. But he said, the Giants and the Raiders,
Speaker 1: that's it that you're absolutely and neither one is going
Speaker 1: to be any good. He said, So those are those
Speaker 1: are your top two potential picks. Yeah, and for one
Speaker 1: of those teams, Tom Brady, who probably played for him,
Speaker 1: so they won't need to Why not, I mean the
Speaker 1: he wants to play football so badly.
Speaker 2: Like I get it. I mean, I don't blame him.
Speaker 2: Did you see Lebron's quote. Lebron had a quote after
Speaker 2: the g that I thought was so fascinating. It was
Speaker 2: also almost a little sad, and it made me think
Speaker 2: of Brady to a degree where Lebron said, I think
Speaker 2: to Dave mcmannimon along the lines of, I'm never going
Speaker 2: to be bad, but at some point I'm going to
Speaker 2: have to stop. And he basically said, like, you know,
Speaker 2: I'm not chasing anything anymore. I've accomplished anything I wanted
Speaker 2: to accomplish, but at some point I've got to stop playing.
Speaker 2: And it was such a unique thing because I watched it.
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, he's never gonna be I mean, I
Speaker 2: never's a long time obviously, but I think five years
Speaker 2: from now Lebron would be good. I do, yeah, Like,
Speaker 2: I know, you know what I mean. Right now, what
Speaker 2: is he at best the sixth best player in the
Speaker 2: league and at worst the twelfth best player in the league.
Speaker 2: He's somewhere in there he you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: he lives. He's better, in my opinion, clearly than Devin Booker.
Speaker 2: And Devin Booker's an all NBA guy, and.
Speaker 1: He led the NBA in fourth order buckets and playoff buckets.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, so, and he played seventy one games. So
Speaker 2: it's such a unique spot for Lebron, which is like
Speaker 2: most guys get forced out. Most guys they you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, they have their fair their averaging five
Speaker 2: points a game. So he's not gonna be that. So
Speaker 2: at some point he's just gonna have to be like,
Speaker 2: I guess I'm done. I'm stopping. And that's kind of
Speaker 2: what happened with Tom. Like I understand, the Bucks were
Speaker 2: not good Tom's last year, but the year before he
Speaker 2: almost won MVP. He still grew for a million yard.
Speaker 1: He's better than half the quarterbacks today easily, no question,
Speaker 1: no question.
Speaker 2: And he just stopped. And there's I understand that there
Speaker 2: was family some of New Zealand with I get it,
Speaker 2: but I think every time someone puts a microphone in
Speaker 2: front of him, he clearly is like, goddamn it, I
Speaker 2: want to play football. I miss playing football, And you know,
Speaker 2: he's gonna be with Fox and calling games, and maybe
Speaker 2: that'll scratch the itch, but it also might make him
Speaker 2: watch these guys and be like, god, dog it, I'm
Speaker 2: better than that guy, you know, And so like it's
Speaker 2: the weird spot. We're seeing two guys Lebron nearing the
Speaker 2: end and Brady who just ended, who played longer than
Speaker 2: anybody ever in the history of their field and at
Speaker 2: a higher level than anyone ever thought who both you know,
Speaker 2: Brady already had to and Lebron's gonna have to. We're
Speaker 2: gonna have to oddly make the decision of like I
Speaker 2: guess I just should stop because I'm old, but I'm
Speaker 2: not bad. And it's such a weird thing, like people
Speaker 2: are like, oh, John Elway went out on top. John
Speaker 2: Elway went out winning super Bowls, but he was not
Speaker 2: good anymore, like you know, I mean, I'm not disrespecting John,
Speaker 2: but like the he was a shell of the player
Speaker 2: that he was. Peyton Manning went out winning a Super Bowl,
Speaker 2: was nine touchdown, seventeen picks that year, was a shell.
Speaker 2: Even the guys who go out on top are usually
Speaker 2: not good in more so, I don't know that you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, the Brady seems to still miss it.
Speaker 2: I don't know what Lebron's gonna do.
Speaker 1: Brady is I can I I'll probably get in trouble
Speaker 1: saying this, but Brady his preparation for broadcasting at Fox. Dude,
Speaker 1: he he's in the building.
Speaker 2: You're not gonna get in trouble for saying he was
Speaker 2: in the building.
Speaker 1: Today, the last the next three days, he's in the
Speaker 1: building practicing. Like Brady is as obsessed about this. People
Speaker 1: don't understand the people.
Speaker 2: I think he's gonna be great. I think he's gonna
Speaker 2: be great because he's competitive. Yes, I think that is.
Speaker 2: I think the key to so much of this is competitive. Yes,
Speaker 2: And I think that there is the Tom had And
Speaker 2: I don't know Tom at all, but he had recently
Speaker 2: in the last year, he did an interview and he
Speaker 2: was talking about during the game and was basically about
Speaker 2: now like he hated who he was playing against, like
Speaker 2: he would build up an anger and like the real
Speaker 2: like fraud. Because he's competitive and now I think he's
Speaker 2: going to look around and be like, I need to
Speaker 2: be better. And it helps that most of the other
Speaker 2: people in his spot are quarterbacks too. I need to
Speaker 2: be better. Than Troy. I need to be better than Tony.
Speaker 2: I know Collins, it's not a quarterback, but I need to.
Speaker 2: I think he's gonna want to be considered the best.
Speaker 2: And there was always you remember, God, it feels like
Speaker 2: a lifetime ago. But during when the flategate happened and
Speaker 2: Tom unfairly at his text messages leaked and the text
Speaker 2: message to his I think it was his dad, maybe
Speaker 2: was his friend about Peyton, and they were to talk
Speaker 2: about back and forth, and Tom said He's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: but I'm going to play five more years and Peyton's done,
Speaker 2: and then it's not even going to be a debate.
Speaker 2: By the way, he was right about that. That's exactly
Speaker 2: what happened. But I also think there's like a competitiveness
Speaker 2: with Peyton, which is Peyton's a broadcaster, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, and everybody, unlike some of the other broadcasters,
Speaker 2: none of the ballooms, everybody. I think that broadcast is great.
Speaker 2: People love it. I think it's gonna be like, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna trust these guys. Yeah, I'm gonna, I really do so.
Speaker 2: I bet he's gonna be awesome when I lost.
Speaker 1: When I you know, I tell my kids, you know
Speaker 1: they're tired of hearing it.
Speaker 2: But I always say, you know.
Speaker 1: There's there's certain traits and people that are really important,
Speaker 1: and it's not where you went to school. One of
Speaker 1: the things that's really important is resilience. Don't be fragile.
Speaker 1: You're gonna have shitty days, You're gonna have horrible relationships.
Speaker 1: Don't be fragile. These people on the internet go sideways
Speaker 1: and upside down because somebody said something I don't like.
Speaker 1: You better get over it. Don't be fragile, and you know,
Speaker 1: be mobile, be willing to move. But the editor I
Speaker 1: tell my kids all the time is in life, you
Speaker 1: will compete against yourself. I will never compete against Elon
Speaker 1: Musk or probably a ditch digger. I'll compete against people
Speaker 1: in my sphere. Intellectually, emotionally, I'll be competing against me. Right,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna neuroscience. I'm not going to be competing
Speaker 1: against those people, and probably not against dog walkers, right, Like,
Speaker 1: I know where I'm competing against, and and and I
Speaker 1: think so, I think what my point is, if you're competing,
Speaker 1: it's almost life's like boxing.
Speaker 2: There's weight class in your weight class.
Speaker 1: That's right, You're competing essentially in life against yourself.
Speaker 2: You know this is so Wild's made fun of me
Speaker 2: for this, And maybe I said this to you already
Speaker 2: on a podcast. If not, I don't care, I'll say
Speaker 2: it again because it's it's I truly feel this way,
Speaker 2: which is I just said kind of flippantly to Wilde's
Speaker 2: once about a different broadcaster. I was like, oh, they're
Speaker 2: one of my rivals. And he's like, what do you mean,
Speaker 2: like you have a bad relationship with him? Like, no,
Speaker 2: I've never met him. He's like, you just said they're
Speaker 2: your rival. I'm like, well, they're on the national scene
Speaker 2: and they're about my age. I must be more successful
Speaker 2: than them. And he was like, you're you You're insane, buddy.
Speaker 2: I'm like no. I was like, everybody has this, and
Speaker 2: he was adamant, No, No, normal people don't. And I'm
Speaker 2: so glad because you didn't say it. But I think
Speaker 2: you did too. It seems like as you were coming up, Oh,
Speaker 2: you knew who the other guys in yours you put
Speaker 2: a weight class were, and I need to beat them
Speaker 2: is wrong because you're not rooting for them to fail.
Speaker 2: But I need to be the valedictorian of the class,
Speaker 2: so to speak. That's how I've always felt and so
Speaker 2: like the person he was like. He said to me,
Speaker 2: he's like some name Arrival. And I said, really, the
Speaker 2: most ridiculous one, because this person has almost a universal
Speaker 2: Brewer rating. But I said, Mina Chimes. I was like,
Speaker 2: she's my age. He's everyone thinks she's super smart. She
Speaker 2: talks to you, she didn't talk about everything. She's my rival.
Speaker 2: I was like, I'm sorry. I was like, it just
Speaker 2: is like I hope she does well, but I need
Speaker 2: to do better. I was like, this is like, this
Speaker 2: is just how my brain works. And so yes, like
Speaker 2: I like and again I'm not speaking for Tom because
Speaker 2: I don't know him at all. You know him somewhat.
Speaker 2: I don't know him at all, but I would imagine
Speaker 2: Tom looks at brought other broadcasters. Now is his rivals
Speaker 2: like I need to be the best, which is why
Speaker 2: he the other thing. And I did say this to you.
Speaker 2: I think when Tom was on with you, you asked
Speaker 2: him about Patrick, and he had it was an unbelievable answer,
Speaker 2: which is he was super complimentary. And then he was like,
Speaker 2: and you know, anybody who can get to seven Super
Speaker 2: Bowls like you know, I tip my cap to him,
Speaker 2: and it was to me a very intentional kind of
Speaker 2: setting of the ground rules, like, oh yeah, anybody can
Speaker 2: say he's going to be the goat, no problem at all.
Speaker 2: But just so we're clear, if he doesn't get to
Speaker 2: seven Super Bowls, it's not a conversation like I don't
Speaker 2: want to hear about MVPs and I don't want to
Speaker 2: hear about yards. I don't like he was. I think
Speaker 2: he is competitive in everything, and it's like, I'm the
Speaker 2: greatest football player ever and this whole idea that this
Speaker 2: guy might be better than me one day. Okay, sure, but
Speaker 2: don't you come to me with his yards and touchdowns
Speaker 2: and MVPs if he only has five Measley super Bowls,
Speaker 2: because the barrier to entry is seven. And I just
Speaker 2: and I think that's I respect that.
Speaker 1: I think about this a lot because I do criticize
Speaker 1: athletes at times about how remarkable athletes are. So if
Speaker 1: you look at the history of comedy you get to
Speaker 1: be the funniest guy in the world for about three
Speaker 1: to five years. Ben Stiller, Jim Carrey, there was Drew
Speaker 1: Carey twenty five years ago.
Speaker 2: Mike Myers, by the way, he's very charitable to include
Speaker 2: Ben Stiller on The Funniest Guys Worldless. He's pretty good,
Speaker 2: pretty good, but go ahead. Maybe he's a friend. I
Speaker 2: don't know who you're having drinks with, but go ahead.
Speaker 1: So if you go look at you know, Chris Rock,
Speaker 1: Jerry Seinfeld, Larry David, you know where.
Speaker 2: You're sort of compel yell.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so, and then it's very hard to be as
Speaker 1: funny because your life experience changes dramatically because there's so
Speaker 1: much money in movies and production when you get.
Speaker 2: Big, that's right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course hip hop stars similarly, first couple albums
Speaker 1: can be fantastic and then the material changed hard.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Athletes, what's really amazing is athletes almost the opposite. Mahomes
Speaker 1: is better since he's been paid, Lebron was better when
Speaker 1: he was paid. Is that athletes, unlike other entertainers, often
Speaker 1: feel a guilt or a pressure to elevate their greatness
Speaker 1: when they're paid. It's very rare when you look at athletes,
Speaker 1: they get paid, and I'm sure it happens, but I'm.
Speaker 2: Telling it happens not to the great ones. That's what
Speaker 2: that's the in between the great ones and everyone else.
Speaker 2: Because I think that when you talk about getting paid,
Speaker 2: but I think that at every step of your athletic journey,
Speaker 2: there has been a getting paid but not actually money
Speaker 2: moment where you could relax, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: The kid who when he makes varsity as a freshman
Speaker 2: takes his foot off the gas doesn't get the college scholarship.
Speaker 2: And the kid who when he goes to college is
Speaker 2: a starter early on and takes off the gas doesn't
Speaker 2: make the league. So it almost we you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, It slowly, but surely weeds. It weeds those
Speaker 2: people out because it's such a finite number and there's
Speaker 2: always a new crop of people coming for those jobs.
Speaker 1: Also, is that in hip hop, when you win, you're
Speaker 1: worshiped by everybody. In comedy, when you're the king of laughs,
Speaker 1: you are worshiped by everybody. In sports, when you win,
Speaker 1: most of the league hates you.
Speaker 2: Hate you.
Speaker 1: So in sports, greatness does not equal worship outside of
Speaker 1: your town. It equals kind of a villain, kind of
Speaker 1: a target. And that's why music critics tend to be
Speaker 1: too soft and and you know movie critics are you know,
Speaker 1: they they're they're too in bed with them. Music and
Speaker 1: movie critics and Hollywood. When's the last really tough reporter
Speaker 1: that Hollywood had? They don't, So it goes to your
Speaker 1: head in music and it doesn't work that way, but
Speaker 1: the media in sports kicks the shit out of you
Speaker 1: once you're great. It's like, well, you weren't good last
Speaker 1: week against Cleveland, And there's a healthy there's a healthy
Speaker 1: account ability that doesn't exist in comedy, movies, music. This
Speaker 1: accountability standings criticism that I think actually it's like being
Speaker 1: tough on your kids. It builds character. So I think you.
Speaker 2: Might have just solved might not be the right word,
Speaker 2: but you just said something that really crystallized something for me. Okay,
Speaker 2: we might have just like, I feel like this is
Speaker 2: a real thing that just happened because you talk, you're
Speaker 2: talking about the inestween athletes and artists. Yeah, and I'm
Speaker 2: not taking I'm really not trying to be unfair or
Speaker 2: take a shot. But there are two specific NBA players
Speaker 2: that I think, as great as they are, have markedly
Speaker 2: underachieved their talent and ability even though they are. One
Speaker 2: of them's one of the twenty greatest players ever and
Speaker 2: one of them is one of the ten most skilled
Speaker 2: players ever. And I think both of them view themselves
Speaker 2: more artists than athletes. And those two guys are Kevin
Speaker 2: Durant and Kyrie Irv and I think a lot of
Speaker 2: what has worked against them and a lot of what
Speaker 2: they have pushed against is that they are covered like
Speaker 2: their athletes and not like their artists. That it is
Speaker 2: a lot of criticism and a lot of why did
Speaker 2: you do this, and a lot of but you didn't
Speaker 2: do that, and comparative stuff that athletes are used to.
Speaker 2: But they're like, we're fucking artists. I Am out here
Speaker 2: painting a picture and you're asking me these questions, like,
Speaker 2: just appreciate the art. Meanwhile, other folks who look at
Speaker 2: themselves as I don't want to say, hired guns, but
Speaker 2: we are in competition and we are here to win
Speaker 2: and you know, to do what we have to do,
Speaker 2: haven't been as bothered by the media criticism. But it
Speaker 2: does Katie and Kyrie who and again Kyrie, to his credit,
Speaker 2: has been unbelievable this year, and Katie post Achilles is
Speaker 2: the best Achilles recovery in sports history. So I'm not
Speaker 2: trying to be unfair, it really is. I'm not trying
Speaker 2: to be unfair and I aren't trying to take a shot,
Speaker 2: but they really seem to both struggle with the way
Speaker 2: they are covered by the media. And what you just
Speaker 2: described about how artists, musicians, or actors or comedians are
Speaker 2: covered by the media is different than how we do athletes.
Speaker 2: We don't do when a movie six, when there is
Speaker 2: a huge movie release weekend. When Barbie and Oppenheimer come
Speaker 2: out the same weekend, there were no articles written like, well,
Speaker 2: fucking Oppenheimer, how do you not win that? People are
Speaker 2: just like, this was awesome. This was even more awesome.
Speaker 2: These are both great. It's and so that I do.
Speaker 2: I think there is something there and maybe I can
Speaker 2: describe it exactly right, but about the difference between how
Speaker 2: athletes and artists are discussed and whether or not you
Speaker 2: consider yourself an athlete or an artist, and how you
Speaker 2: want to then be discussed in how you feel you
Speaker 2: should be discussed.
Speaker 1: I also think basketball more than any sport, and soccer
Speaker 1: has some of this as well. I've always compared basketball
Speaker 1: to international soccer. Is an artist, Rinaldo is an artist,
Speaker 1: Kevin Durant' an artist. Tom Braddy's a football player, right
Speaker 1: like Mike Trout's a baseball player, that's different.
Speaker 2: But filming, Lebron's an artists.
Speaker 1: No, No, he's more compartmentalized and strategic artists, aren't they
Speaker 1: kind of hear? I mean very much. Lebron's a stacker,
Speaker 1: compartmentalize work on this part of the game. Solved this part.
Speaker 1: Kevin Durant's not looking to solve. Kyrie Irving's not looking
Speaker 1: to solve parts of their game. They're looking to paint
Speaker 1: their most beautiful picture. Kyrie had it the other night
Speaker 1: with that layup over three Clippers.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, exactly right, like that kind even though they
Speaker 2: that kind of was, and there is something beautiful about
Speaker 2: this and honorable about it where it's like that Kyrie
Speaker 2: has worked for He's thirty two, so call it twenty
Speaker 2: five years on every little bit of his ability in
Speaker 2: order to pull off that one moment. And I know
Speaker 2: he's obviously done way more than that, but I'm saying,
Speaker 2: like that was of physics and basketball impossibility.
Speaker 1: It was incredible, was his? It was his Mona Lisa,
Speaker 1: it was his.
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly right, it was, And it was like, oh,
Speaker 2: you are probably literally the only human being who's ever
Speaker 2: lived who could do that, Like I believe that I
Speaker 2: really believe that. Yeah, And I think there's for Kyrie,
Speaker 2: He's like in God damn it, you guys still credit
Speaker 2: like do you not see it? Like do you not understand?
Speaker 2: But because it's sports, were like, yeah, but you're lost
Speaker 2: and you haven't been in the finals in eight years
Speaker 2: because it's sports, And so yeah, I do think there
Speaker 2: is I want to think about this more because you
Speaker 2: said it in real time, but I do think there
Speaker 2: is something really to that, and I think there is.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna start like looking at because you know, another
Speaker 2: guy who I think was as much as you can
Speaker 2: be in football, closer to artists than athlete, is my Palodell.
Speaker 2: I think there was a lot of like, yeah, look
Speaker 2: at this show I am putting on. Of course, look
Speaker 2: at what I can do that I have worked on
Speaker 2: and honed and the beauty of it. Yeah, And then
Speaker 2: but he's also a guy who never felt he was
Speaker 2: given a fair shake by the media, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, who never felt it was that that that
Speaker 2: it was that he was covered fairly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think and I think about that a lot.
Speaker 1: With basketball, it is it's it's a canvas. There are players,
Speaker 1: you know, Michael had some kind of a almost mechanical.
Speaker 2: Mid range.
Speaker 1: Michael scored most of his points on two to three moves.
Speaker 1: Kobe was more artist. He had a side of the
Speaker 1: key he liked. But now Michael and Kobe both Michael
Speaker 1: would do these flips over his head or the switch hands.
Speaker 1: But Michael really scored. Michael really his game was not
Speaker 1: mechanical is the wrong word.
Speaker 2: He was sategic.
Speaker 1: It was really strategic. It was really efficient. It was
Speaker 1: really remarkable, and Michael would just go back to what
Speaker 1: he did over and over. By the way, I would
Speaker 1: compare Michael to Mahomes, there is absolute artistry, but Mahomes
Speaker 1: is better today than four years ago. For the same
Speaker 1: reason Michael was better his second three pete than his
Speaker 1: first is that he took the layups and he had
Speaker 1: great discretion on use of energy. Like Michael knew hold
Speaker 1: it off.
Speaker 2: He really.
Speaker 1: Actually it's almost like a kid. When kids are eight,
Speaker 1: you just they have a biting stage, they have a
Speaker 1: punch the sister stage. It's all inappropriate, but they have
Speaker 1: so much energy they can't control themselves. Michael came into
Speaker 1: the league. He could have scored sixty at nine, and
Speaker 1: he wanted to I always call you have the show
Speaker 1: off stage, the title stage, and the mogul stage, and
Speaker 1: you can't stop here. Lebron used to chase people down
Speaker 1: on Tuesday games in Denver and block a ball off
Speaker 1: the backboard. It meant nothing. It was the show off stage.
Speaker 1: Look at my gifts. But Michaels and Mahomes now take
Speaker 1: the laps. They can serve energy. Like Patrick could run
Speaker 1: all the time. He runs on third and one or
Speaker 1: fourth and one in the fourth quarter. He could do
Speaker 1: that all game.
Speaker 2: So that is so that is, and I know we're
Speaker 2: going along so we can wrap the But I do
Speaker 2: wonder of all the things that people could learn from Mahomes.
Speaker 2: I don't know why more quarterbacks haven't copied his situational running.
Speaker 2: You might not be able to listen the kid played
Speaker 2: baseball as dad was a baseball player of the arm Angles,
Speaker 2: or you know, there's only probably five quarterbacks in the
Speaker 2: league if that who can throw it as far as him.
Speaker 2: He has a I don't remember the word for it.
Speaker 2: It's like something it's not photographic. It's like didactic. I
Speaker 2: think memory as far as like his ability to there's
Speaker 2: certain things, but what is copyable is the understanding of
Speaker 2: the riskiest thing I can possibly do is run. It
Speaker 2: is also wildly effective, and I am going to recognize
Speaker 2: that both of those things are true. And so I
Speaker 2: am basically never going to do it on first or
Speaker 2: second down, and I am not even going to do
Speaker 2: it on third down if it's early in the game
Speaker 2: in the regular season. But that then also means teams
Speaker 2: are slightly less prepared for it when I do it,
Speaker 2: and I am more one hundred percent, or even two
Speaker 2: years ago when he had the bad ankle, I am
Speaker 2: more I have a couple bursts in me to make
Speaker 2: sure I get where I need to get to. And
Speaker 2: it just seems like because I think Mahomes is a
Speaker 2: good athlete. I obviously he's a good athletes, but I'm
Speaker 2: saying I think he is a better athlete than people
Speaker 2: think because he's never caught man he when is the
Speaker 2: last time Mahomes chose to run in a big spot
Speaker 2: and didn't get where he was trying to get to, Like,
Speaker 2: And so now, if you ran all the time, it
Speaker 2: would happen all the time. And maybe Josh Allen's a
Speaker 2: unique case because he's bigger than everybody, so we can
Speaker 2: deal with it. But I just think more of those guys.
Speaker 2: I also think that, you know, I was skeptical of
Speaker 2: Jade and Daniels because he's he's one hundred and ninety pounds,
Speaker 2: one hundred and ninety five pounds. I also think there
Speaker 2: is something too that picture of Mahomes with his shirt off,
Speaker 2: where it's like, oh, that's actually what your quarterback should
Speaker 2: look like. I have a little extra, you know, like
Speaker 2: the and I understand Brady in his later years looked
Speaker 2: more chiseled.
Speaker 1: Oh, he's much more chiseled now than he was as
Speaker 1: a player.
Speaker 2: Correct, exactly right. It's like, no, I'm gonna have muscle
Speaker 2: underneath a layer of protection almost, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: And I think that is uh. I think that's smart.
Speaker 1: Like I don't called it pudding, he said, like brock
Speaker 1: Hewart's a friend of mine. Brock couldn't put on weight,
Speaker 1: and he's like skinny quarterbacks like Matt Ryan tried to
Speaker 1: put on weight.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know who had it too? Was Peyton? Yeah, Peyton?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Peyton? Was you ever seen
Speaker 2: Peyton in person? Peyton's you realize how big these damn
Speaker 2: quarterbacks are. But Peyton when he was playing wasn't like,
Speaker 2: you know, like bodybuilder type. He had a layer of
Speaker 2: protection and.
Speaker 1: So yeah, and it also what matters to you? I
Speaker 1: said this, I called an NFL head coach on Will
Speaker 1: Levis's combine when he was wearing a shirtless yes ripped.
Speaker 1: It was very Brady Quinn and I said, I'm out
Speaker 1: on him. And he goes call this NFL head coach
Speaker 1: successful coach, he said, Colin, it was the talk of
Speaker 1: a road trip me and the GM went on recently.
Speaker 1: That was the talk of the he cares deeply about.
Speaker 1: His girlfriend was beautiful. He's a good looking guy, big
Speaker 1: man on campus in Kentucky at basketball school. He's the
Speaker 1: football star Will Levis's I'm going to show you my build,
Speaker 1: literally a successful GM and coach said they went on
Speaker 1: a drive and that it was the topic of conversation
Speaker 1: like he's got the wrong priorities.
Speaker 2: On that note, and we can, you know, leave it
Speaker 2: at this. I am shocked. So I don't know if
Speaker 2: you saw this reporting, but Spencer Rattler evidently was on
Speaker 2: a Netflix dock six years ago when he was in
Speaker 2: high school. Did you see any of this column? Okay,
Speaker 2: so there was a Lebron's company produced a Netflix documentary
Speaker 2: called QB One and it was basically they followed around
Speaker 2: I didn't see it some top high school quarterback prospects
Speaker 2: on their journey, you know what I mean? Like, what's
Speaker 2: it like to be one of the top prospects in
Speaker 2: America as a sixteen year old sixteen? And evidently Spencer
Speaker 2: Rattler was a real dick as a kid, was mean
Speaker 2: to his backup quarterback, was a bit of a bully,
Speaker 2: was kind of like your stereotypical mean, popular jock. And
Speaker 2: Ian Rappaport reported that multiple teams brought it up to
Speaker 2: him before the draft, like yeah, we just we and
Speaker 2: it's like, dude, this guy was literally sixteen years old,
Speaker 2: Like I don't know, man, like, please don't use against
Speaker 2: me in a job interview. How I treated like come on,
Speaker 2: and so so here's why I bring that up. I
Speaker 2: don't even care about Spencer Ratler in that art. I
Speaker 2: am shocked no one has talked about what Shador Sanders
Speaker 2: and to be fair, Dion have been doing these last
Speaker 2: couple of days, just punching down in guys that left
Speaker 2: the school. And if you're Dion, and I have massive
Speaker 2: respect for Dion in general. But if you're Dion, it's like, man,
Speaker 2: this guy was one of your players, and you're like,
Speaker 2: where are your stats at? Like you are one of
Speaker 2: the most famous athlete coaches in America and this is
Speaker 2: a twenty year old Like that doesn't seem right. But
Speaker 2: then shador like buddy, people are talking about use the
Speaker 2: number one pick of the draft, and you're on Twitter
Speaker 2: just shit talking guys like I can't imagine that's not
Speaker 2: going to be a problem in a year. Oh, I
Speaker 2: just can't.
Speaker 1: It's already being discussed. It's absolutely being discussed in the league.
Speaker 1: It's not a good look at all.
Speaker 2: That's what I think. I just I think, like, listen,
Speaker 2: any position other than quarterback, I don't think people would care.
Speaker 2: Same Travis Hunter, who's going to be a top ten
Speaker 2: pick on Colorado.
Speaker 1: I almost like it from an edge rusher, I want
Speaker 1: you to be obnoxious, you know.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's certainly a corner like there are a
Speaker 2: certain spot, you know what I mean, Like Travis Hunter,
Speaker 2: like corner wide receiver. It's like, Okay, the guy's a
Speaker 2: little out of his mind, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Maybe you know talks in the third person. Great, love it.
Speaker 2: I've actually seen that archetype go to the Hall of Fame,
Speaker 2: fair or not. And again, I'm not even saying it's right.
Speaker 2: What I am saying is if Spencer Rattler can fall
Speaker 2: a full round as rap report was sawing about because
Speaker 2: of how he acted as a junior in high school, yeah,
Speaker 2: then what are these same teams going to be saying
Speaker 2: about someone who knows they're a potential top ten pick?
Speaker 2: Yeah in twelve months. It just seems wild. Nick.
Speaker 1: It's a glaring lie of self awareness. It's really bad.
Speaker 1: It's being discussed, and I think it's the difference between
Speaker 1: going one and fifteen.
Speaker 2: That's what I mean. So that's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2: And I want to be very clear here because I'm
Speaker 2: not trying to be the old man yelling the cloud saying.
Speaker 2: I'm not even arguing that it is one should care
Speaker 2: about this at all. I'm saying all of NFL history
Speaker 2: tells me a lot of teams do. A lot of
Speaker 2: teams one hundred percent do care about this, and it
Speaker 2: just seems risky. And the difference, by the way, between
Speaker 2: going one and going fifteen, it's not just I don't
Speaker 2: even care about the dollar amount of the first contract,
Speaker 2: But it does have a lot to do with how
Speaker 2: if you're not good early, how much margin of error
Speaker 2: do you get to hell of a lot easier to
Speaker 2: move off from Kenny Pickett at fifteen or Mac Jones
Speaker 2: at fifteen, then it is from a number one pick
Speaker 2: you know what I mean somebody, And so I just
Speaker 2: find that a little God.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it hasn't made the show because the NBA playoffs
Speaker 1: have been so good and the NFL is so big, but
Speaker 1: it's it is something I've noticed and thought, eh, don't
Speaker 1: do that.
Speaker 2: You know, it's funny. It hadn't made our show either,
Speaker 2: but today I mentioned it during commercial break. I'm like,
Speaker 2: it gonna sounds silly. I was like, I think what
Speaker 2: I said was, I think we're two tweets away from
Speaker 2: this being a top two more tweets, and I think
Speaker 2: it's enough for us to put it in the show.
Speaker 2: Yeah I do.
Speaker 1: Nick Wright, as always money, thanks buddy.
Speaker 2: Absolutely great time talk to you letter the volume.
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