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Speaker 1: Welcome into part two of the podcast with Nick Right

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Speaker 1: being off lit quarterback Jay laser Al who says this,

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Speaker 1: it is the most miserable thing in the league.

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Speaker 2: So Atlanta, So yeah, righted Raheem Morris, Reem Morris was

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Speaker 2: a coaching hotshots the wrong word, but like the youngest coach

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Speaker 2: in the league, like on this what happened? No quarter

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Speaker 2: very quarterback. And so then for a decade he's grinding

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Speaker 2: himself back, and I think he's probably like never again,

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Speaker 2: never again, Like I'm going to give myself a floor

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Speaker 2: at that spot. So I understand that I just and

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Speaker 2: maybe I'm spoiled because the team I root was beating

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Speaker 2: for championships.

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Speaker 1: Smart ass, and and the Chiefs and the Packers for

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Speaker 1: most of my life have at least been B to

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Speaker 1: B plus at quarterbaas the right.

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Speaker 2: The Chiefs never had the guy, but they had Trent

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Speaker 2: green Day an Alex. They they had, they were They

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Speaker 2: weren't terrible except for a few years. But I'd like, man,

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Speaker 2: if you're a Falcons fan, try to go be great.

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Speaker 2: If you sign Kirk, you let me. I'll tell you.

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Speaker 2: Somebody asked me today who I thought won the draft? Right,

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Speaker 2: So I'm going to give you a wild take on that. Okay,

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Speaker 2: I think you can make an argument the Giants won

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Speaker 2: the draft because New England didn't take their Trade's reported

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Speaker 2: they hoped to draft Drake May at three, not add

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Speaker 2: Guess what I think that they'd done, that they'd be

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Speaker 2: you know, maybe Drew Lock plays, maybe Daniel Jones plays,

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Speaker 1: I had an executive in the league said, if you're

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Speaker 2: No, and I the Quinn Yours people like him. And

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Speaker 2: remember it. But the I was just about to look like,

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Speaker 2: your point, like the because everybody when six quarterbacks going

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Speaker 2: Like I get it. I mean, I don't blame him.

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Speaker 2: Did you see Lebron's quote. Lebron had a quote after

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Speaker 2: to Dave mcmannimon along the lines of, I'm never going

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Speaker 2: I'm not chasing anything anymore. I've accomplished anything I wanted

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Speaker 2: to accomplish, but at some point I've got to stop playing.

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Speaker 2: And it was such a unique thing because I watched it.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, he's never gonna be I mean, I

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Speaker 2: never's a long time obviously, but I think five years

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Speaker 2: from now Lebron would be good. I do, yeah, Like,

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Speaker 2: I know, you know what I mean. Right now, what

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Speaker 2: He's somewhere in there he you know what I mean,

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Speaker 2: he lives. He's better, in my opinion, clearly than Devin Booker.

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Speaker 2: And Devin Booker's an all NBA guy, and.

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Speaker 1: He led the NBA in fourth order buckets and playoff buckets.

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Speaker 2: Yeah right, so, and he played seventy one games. So

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Speaker 2: it's such a unique spot for Lebron, which is like

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Speaker 2: most guys get forced out. Most guys they you know

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Speaker 2: what I mean, they have their fair their averaging five

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Speaker 2: at some point he's just gonna have to be like,

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Speaker 2: I guess I'm done. I'm stopping. And that's kind of

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Speaker 2: what happened with Tom. Like I understand, the Bucks were

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Speaker 2: almost won MVP. He still grew for a million yard.

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Speaker 1: He's better than half the quarterbacks today easily, no question,

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Speaker 2: And he just stopped. And there's I understand that there

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Speaker 2: but I think every time someone puts a microphone in

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Speaker 2: want to play football. I miss playing football, And you know,

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Speaker 2: he's gonna be with Fox and calling games, and maybe

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Speaker 2: that'll scratch the itch, but it also might make him

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Speaker 2: Even the guys who go out on top are usually

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Speaker 2: I don't know what Lebron's gonna do.

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Speaker 1: Brady is I can I I'll probably get in trouble

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Speaker 1: Today, the last the next three days, he's in the

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Speaker 2: I think the key to so much of this is competitive. Yes,

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, exactly right, like that kind even though they

429
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Speaker 2: that kind of was, and there is something beautiful about

430
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:49,560
Speaker 2: this and honorable about it where it's like that Kyrie

431
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 2: has worked for He's thirty two, so call it twenty

432
00:24:55,040 --> 00:25:00,959
Speaker 2: five years on every little bit of his ability in

433
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 2: order to pull off that one moment. And I know

434
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 2: he's obviously done way more than that, but I'm saying,

435
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:12,479
Speaker 2: like that was of physics and basketball impossibility.

436
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Speaker 1: It was incredible, was his? It was his Mona Lisa,

437
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 1: it was his.

438
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:19,119
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly right, it was, And it was like, oh,

439
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:24,360
Speaker 2: you are probably literally the only human being who's ever

440
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:26,879
Speaker 2: lived who could do that, Like I believe that I

441
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 2: really believe that. Yeah, And I think there's for Kyrie,

442
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 2: He's like in God damn it, you guys still credit

443
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:38,120
Speaker 2: like do you not see it? Like do you not understand?

444
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 2: But because it's sports, were like, yeah, but you're lost

445
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,359
Speaker 2: and you haven't been in the finals in eight years

446
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,760
Speaker 2: because it's sports, And so yeah, I do think there

447
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,920
Speaker 2: is I want to think about this more because you

448
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 2: said it in real time, but I do think there

449
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 2: is something really to that, and I think there is.

450
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:02,439
Speaker 2: I'm gonna start like looking at because you know, another

451
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 2: guy who I think was as much as you can

452
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:12,880
Speaker 2: be in football, closer to artists than athlete, is my Palodell.

453
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 2: I think there was a lot of like, yeah, look

454
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 2: at this show I am putting on. Of course, look

455
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:23,399
Speaker 2: at what I can do that I have worked on

456
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 2: and honed and the beauty of it. Yeah, And then

457
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,399
Speaker 2: but he's also a guy who never felt he was

458
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 2: given a fair shake by the media, you know what

459
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:35,879
Speaker 2: I mean, who never felt it was that that that

460
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:37,919
Speaker 2: it was that he was covered fairly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think and I think about that a lot.

462
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 1: With basketball, it is it's it's a canvas. There are players,

463
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 1: you know, Michael had some kind of a almost mechanical.

464
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:55,120
Speaker 2: Mid range.

465
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 1: Michael scored most of his points on two to three moves.

466
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Speaker 1: Kobe was more artist. He had a side of the

467
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:04,399
Speaker 1: key he liked. But now Michael and Kobe both Michael

468
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 1: would do these flips over his head or the switch hands.

469
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:11,160
Speaker 1: But Michael really scored. Michael really his game was not

470
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:12,680
Speaker 1: mechanical is the wrong word.

471
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:13,880
Speaker 2: He was sategic.

472
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 1: It was really strategic. It was really efficient. It was

473
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:20,399
Speaker 1: really remarkable, and Michael would just go back to what

474
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 1: he did over and over. By the way, I would

475
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:28,400
Speaker 1: compare Michael to Mahomes, there is absolute artistry, but Mahomes

476
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 1: is better today than four years ago. For the same

477
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 1: reason Michael was better his second three pete than his

478
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:39,120
Speaker 1: first is that he took the layups and he had

479
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 1: great discretion on use of energy. Like Michael knew hold

480
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Speaker 1: it off.

481
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 2: He really.

482
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 1: Actually it's almost like a kid. When kids are eight,

483
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 1: you just they have a biting stage, they have a

484
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 1: punch the sister stage. It's all inappropriate, but they have

485
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 1: so much energy they can't control themselves. Michael came into

486
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:58,879
Speaker 1: the league. He could have scored sixty at nine, and

487
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 1: he wanted to I always call you have the show

488
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 1: off stage, the title stage, and the mogul stage, and

489
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 1: you can't stop here. Lebron used to chase people down

490
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 1: on Tuesday games in Denver and block a ball off

491
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,919
Speaker 1: the backboard. It meant nothing. It was the show off stage.

492
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 1: Look at my gifts. But Michaels and Mahomes now take

493
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 1: the laps. They can serve energy. Like Patrick could run

494
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:27,919
Speaker 1: all the time. He runs on third and one or

495
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:29,919
Speaker 1: fourth and one in the fourth quarter. He could do

496
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 1: that all game.

497
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 2: So that is so that is, and I know we're

498
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 2: going along so we can wrap the But I do

499
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 2: wonder of all the things that people could learn from Mahomes.

500
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 2: I don't know why more quarterbacks haven't copied his situational running.

501
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 2: You might not be able to listen the kid played

502
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 2: baseball as dad was a baseball player of the arm Angles,

503
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 2: or you know, there's only probably five quarterbacks in the

504
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 2: league if that who can throw it as far as him.

505
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 2: He has a I don't remember the word for it.

506
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 2: It's like something it's not photographic. It's like didactic. I

507
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 2: think memory as far as like his ability to there's

508
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 2: certain things, but what is copyable is the understanding of

509
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:30,239
Speaker 2: the riskiest thing I can possibly do is run. It

510
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 2: is also wildly effective, and I am going to recognize

511
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 2: that both of those things are true. And so I

512
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 2: am basically never going to do it on first or

513
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 2: second down, and I am not even going to do

514
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 2: it on third down if it's early in the game

515
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 2: in the regular season. But that then also means teams

516
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 2: are slightly less prepared for it when I do it,

517
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 2: and I am more one hundred percent, or even two

518
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 2: years ago when he had the bad ankle, I am

519
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 2: more I have a couple bursts in me to make

520
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 2: sure I get where I need to get to. And

521
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,479
Speaker 2: it just seems like because I think Mahomes is a

522
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 2: good athlete. I obviously he's a good athletes, but I'm

523
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 2: saying I think he is a better athlete than people

524
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 2: think because he's never caught man he when is the

525
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 2: last time Mahomes chose to run in a big spot

526
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 2: and didn't get where he was trying to get to, Like,

527
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 2: And so now, if you ran all the time, it

528
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 2: would happen all the time. And maybe Josh Allen's a

529
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 2: unique case because he's bigger than everybody, so we can

530
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:44,959
Speaker 2: deal with it. But I just think more of those guys.

531
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Speaker 2: I also think that, you know, I was skeptical of

532
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 2: Jade and Daniels because he's he's one hundred and ninety pounds,

533
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 2: one hundred and ninety five pounds. I also think there

534
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 2: is something too that picture of Mahomes with his shirt off,

535
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 2: where it's like, oh, that's actually what your quarterback should

536
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 2: look like. I have a little extra, you know, like

537
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 2: the and I understand Brady in his later years looked

538
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 2: more chiseled.

539
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 1: Oh, he's much more chiseled now than he was as

540
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 1: a player.

541
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 2: Correct, exactly right. It's like, no, I'm gonna have muscle

542
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 2: underneath a layer of protection almost, you know what I mean.

543
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 2: And I think that is uh. I think that's smart.

544
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 1: Like I don't called it pudding, he said, like brock

545
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 1: Hewart's a friend of mine. Brock couldn't put on weight,

546
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 1: and he's like skinny quarterbacks like Matt Ryan tried to

547
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 1: put on weight.

548
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know who had it too? Was Peyton? Yeah, Peyton?

549
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Peyton? Was you ever seen

550
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 2: Peyton in person? Peyton's you realize how big these damn

551
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 2: quarterbacks are. But Peyton when he was playing wasn't like,

552
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 2: you know, like bodybuilder type. He had a layer of

553
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 2: protection and.

554
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 1: So yeah, and it also what matters to you? I

555
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 1: said this, I called an NFL head coach on Will

556
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 1: Levis's combine when he was wearing a shirtless yes ripped.

557
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 1: It was very Brady Quinn and I said, I'm out

558
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 1: on him. And he goes call this NFL head coach

559
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 1: successful coach, he said, Colin, it was the talk of

560
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 1: a road trip me and the GM went on recently.

561
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 1: That was the talk of the he cares deeply about.

562
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 1: His girlfriend was beautiful. He's a good looking guy, big

563
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 1: man on campus in Kentucky at basketball school. He's the

564
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: football star Will Levis's I'm going to show you my build,

565
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 1: literally a successful GM and coach said they went on

566
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 1: a drive and that it was the topic of conversation

567
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 1: like he's got the wrong priorities.

568
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 2: On that note, and we can, you know, leave it

569
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 2: at this. I am shocked. So I don't know if

570
00:32:54,480 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 2: you saw this reporting, but Spencer Rattler evidently was on

571
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 2: a Netflix dock six years ago when he was in

572
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 2: high school. Did you see any of this column? Okay,

573
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 2: so there was a Lebron's company produced a Netflix documentary

574
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 2: called QB One and it was basically they followed around

575
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 2: I didn't see it some top high school quarterback prospects

576
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 2: on their journey, you know what I mean? Like, what's

577
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 2: it like to be one of the top prospects in

578
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 2: America as a sixteen year old sixteen? And evidently Spencer

579
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 2: Rattler was a real dick as a kid, was mean

580
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 2: to his backup quarterback, was a bit of a bully,

581
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 2: was kind of like your stereotypical mean, popular jock. And

582
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 2: Ian Rappaport reported that multiple teams brought it up to

583
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 2: him before the draft, like yeah, we just we and

584
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 2: it's like, dude, this guy was literally sixteen years old,

585
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,719
Speaker 2: Like I don't know, man, like, please don't use against

586
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 2: me in a job interview. How I treated like come on,

587
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 2: and so so here's why I bring that up. I

588
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 2: don't even care about Spencer Ratler in that art. I

589
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 2: am shocked no one has talked about what Shador Sanders

590
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 2: and to be fair, Dion have been doing these last

591
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 2: couple of days, just punching down in guys that left

592
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 2: the school. And if you're Dion, and I have massive

593
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 2: respect for Dion in general. But if you're Dion, it's like, man,

594
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 2: this guy was one of your players, and you're like,

595
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 2: where are your stats at? Like you are one of

596
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 2: the most famous athlete coaches in America and this is

597
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 2: a twenty year old Like that doesn't seem right. But

598
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 2: then shador like buddy, people are talking about use the

599
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 2: number one pick of the draft, and you're on Twitter

600
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 2: just shit talking guys like I can't imagine that's not

601
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 2: going to be a problem in a year. Oh, I

602
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:50,240
Speaker 2: just can't.

603
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 1: It's already being discussed. It's absolutely being discussed in the league.

604
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:57,399
Speaker 1: It's not a good look at all.

605
00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 2: That's what I think. I just I think, like, listen,

606
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 2: any position other than quarterback, I don't think people would care.

607
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 2: Same Travis Hunter, who's going to be a top ten

608
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:07,280
Speaker 2: pick on Colorado.

609
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 1: I almost like it from an edge rusher, I want

610
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 1: you to be obnoxious, you know.

611
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 2: I mean, there's certainly a corner like there are a

612
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,280
Speaker 2: certain spot, you know what I mean, Like Travis Hunter,

613
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,320
Speaker 2: like corner wide receiver. It's like, Okay, the guy's a

614
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 2: little out of his mind, you know what I mean?

615
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 2: Maybe you know talks in the third person. Great, love it.

616
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 2: I've actually seen that archetype go to the Hall of Fame,

617
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,839
Speaker 2: fair or not. And again, I'm not even saying it's right.

618
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 2: What I am saying is if Spencer Rattler can fall

619
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 2: a full round as rap report was sawing about because

620
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 2: of how he acted as a junior in high school, yeah,

621
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 2: then what are these same teams going to be saying

622
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 2: about someone who knows they're a potential top ten pick?

623
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 2: Yeah in twelve months. It just seems wild. Nick.

624
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 1: It's a glaring lie of self awareness. It's really bad.

625
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 1: It's being discussed, and I think it's the difference between

626
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 1: going one and fifteen.

627
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:10,439
Speaker 2: That's what I mean. So that's what I'm talking about.

628
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 2: And I want to be very clear here because I'm

629
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 2: not trying to be the old man yelling the cloud saying.

630
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 2: I'm not even arguing that it is one should care

631
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 2: about this at all. I'm saying all of NFL history

632
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 2: tells me a lot of teams do. A lot of

633
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:33,319
Speaker 2: teams one hundred percent do care about this, and it

634
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 2: just seems risky. And the difference, by the way, between

635
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 2: going one and going fifteen, it's not just I don't

636
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 2: even care about the dollar amount of the first contract,

637
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 2: But it does have a lot to do with how

638
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 2: if you're not good early, how much margin of error

639
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:55,840
Speaker 2: do you get to hell of a lot easier to

640
00:36:56,000 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 2: move off from Kenny Pickett at fifteen or Mac Jones

641
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,800
Speaker 2: at fifteen, then it is from a number one pick

642
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,359
Speaker 2: you know what I mean somebody, And so I just

643
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,280
Speaker 2: find that a little God.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it hasn't made the show because the NBA playoffs

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Speaker 1: have been so good and the NFL is so big, but

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Speaker 1: it's it is something I've noticed and thought, eh, don't

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Speaker 1: do that.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's funny. It hadn't made our show either,

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Speaker 2: but today I mentioned it during commercial break. I'm like,

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Speaker 2: it gonna sounds silly. I was like, I think what

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Speaker 2: I said was, I think we're two tweets away from

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Speaker 2: this being a top two more tweets, and I think

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Speaker 2: it's enough for us to put it in the show.

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Speaker 2: Yeah I do.

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Speaker 1: Nick Wright, as always money, thanks buddy.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely great time talk to you letter the volume.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for listening. If you've enjoyed the podcast,

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