WEBVTT - Players Lounge: Don't Count Him Out 0:00:02.200 --> 0:00:04.640 The following is the production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:04.680 --> 0:00:06.480 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. 0:00:08.600 --> 0:00:09.400 Cowboys. 0:00:11.119 --> 0:00:16.400 This is the Players Lounge broadcasting live from Dallas Cowboys 0:00:16.480 --> 0:00:21.760 World headquarters at the Star. Now your hosts Barry Church, 0:00:22.200 --> 0:00:27.280 Anthony dor set De, Montree More and Newly Scrugs. 0:00:30.160 --> 0:00:33.280 It is that time, Players Loundes coming to you from 0:00:33.479 --> 0:00:37.239 the Star in frist scol home of the Dallas Cowboys. 0:00:37.240 --> 0:00:39.199 He is the headquarters of the Cowboys. Former players on 0:00:39.200 --> 0:00:42.920 the show are Anthony door Set, Trade More, Barry Church. 0:00:43.200 --> 0:00:45.840 I am new Scrugs. I died play I did here. 0:00:46.000 --> 0:00:48.560 You just follow the conversation going on. 0:00:50.680 --> 0:00:59.440 Cookies looking delicious, cooking for real? 0:00:59.840 --> 0:01:00.200 Is that? 0:01:01.240 --> 0:01:04.760 I'll give Jerry Jones credit that that food spread tables 0:01:04.800 --> 0:01:05.280 got out here. 0:01:05.319 --> 0:01:05.479 Man. 0:01:05.520 --> 0:01:08.399 The players here get taken care of now. 0:01:08.520 --> 0:01:18.920 Back in the day, Valley Range though right. 0:01:15.680 --> 0:01:17.479 They had the cater food in they didn't. They didn't 0:01:17.520 --> 0:01:20.720 have a kitchen and everything they do now. And I 0:01:20.720 --> 0:01:22.760 remember anytime in the morning. It was used to be 0:01:22.760 --> 0:01:24.440 a place called grandis. 0:01:25.680 --> 0:01:27.679 Hey. Grandy's is a spot. If y'all don't know. 0:01:27.680 --> 0:01:31.040 If that was that's that's that good home cooking food. 0:01:31.800 --> 0:01:36.320 That Kentucky fried Chicken over there. Yeah like that. It 0:01:36.400 --> 0:01:36.680 did not. 0:01:37.600 --> 0:01:40.480 Grand had the best sweet tea of them this side 0:01:40.520 --> 0:01:43.399 of the Mississippi Boy, Thank god, the. 0:01:43.920 --> 0:01:49.880 Memories Grandys and Lopes all, that's what. 0:01:50.440 --> 0:01:52.200 So that was that they used to have that there, 0:01:52.760 --> 0:01:55.120 right for the little racquetball courts that they had over 0:01:55.120 --> 0:01:56.920 at Valley Ranch back in the day. But there's a 0:01:56.920 --> 0:01:58.680 whole new world over here. But bottom line is, if 0:01:58.680 --> 0:02:02.600 you're a player here, they take care of the Let. 0:02:02.600 --> 0:02:06.279 Me tell y'all, y'all saw Valley Ranch. I saw Forest 0:02:06.360 --> 0:02:07.280 Lane in Greenville. 0:02:07.880 --> 0:02:12.400 You know what I'm saying. No, we don't. 0:02:12.680 --> 0:02:15.480 So that's what the Cowboy Facility used to be at. 0:02:15.720 --> 0:02:17.840 Right now, there's some section eight that it's the Williams 0:02:17.919 --> 0:02:20.399 Chicken over there to go other things over there. It's 0:02:20.400 --> 0:02:23.840 then totally changed the area. But no, it didn't have 0:02:24.200 --> 0:02:29.320 no buildings. It had trailers, double widse weight room outside 0:02:29.400 --> 0:02:32.440 under some of these little tents and awnings and. 0:02:32.360 --> 0:02:35.240 Things like that in the day weight room outside. 0:02:35.360 --> 0:02:38.079 Yeah, hey yo, And that's when we used to pull 0:02:38.160 --> 0:02:39.880 up to that place. I used to be like this, 0:02:39.880 --> 0:02:42.840 this this can't be safe for y'all. Like just an right, 0:02:43.040 --> 0:02:45.000 let's walk home on the street walk in the building. 0:02:46.840 --> 0:02:48.920 But Lake Holland's back then was totally different than it 0:02:49.000 --> 0:02:49.400 is right now. 0:02:49.560 --> 0:02:52.280 It's it's also it was a different leak. Yeah, you know, 0:02:52.360 --> 0:02:55.800 before big money contracts and everything that happened now to 0:02:55.840 --> 0:03:00.440 where these are enterprises. Man, these these are watching five 0:03:00.520 --> 0:03:03.000 hundred companies now. Man, it's like they were a football team. 0:03:03.080 --> 0:03:06.000 But if he traded company, so it's it's it's it's 0:03:05.840 --> 0:03:08.880 it's a whole lot difference here. It's Wednesday, So the 0:03:08.919 --> 0:03:12.520 Cowboys are getting ready to face the New York Jets, 0:03:13.080 --> 0:03:15.840 the winless in full New York. 0:03:16.240 --> 0:03:18.160 Glenn out there, you know what I saw out there 0:03:18.160 --> 0:03:20.919 when I was walking in though, saw my boy Flues 0:03:20.960 --> 0:03:26.000 out there working with Donovan Wilson Diggs. 0:03:27.400 --> 0:03:28.919 Over there was out there. 0:03:28.919 --> 0:03:31.440 They're trying to get that communication right, you know what 0:03:32.120 --> 0:03:34.200 Flus is trying to get it right right there. 0:03:34.440 --> 0:03:37.480 That's what we need, right we just closed say. 0:03:39.000 --> 0:03:42.840 Get it there, that's right right. Flu's gonna do everything 0:03:42.880 --> 0:03:44.520 in his power to do it. Now if you're listening, 0:03:44.560 --> 0:03:48.280 that's a whole nother story. But as far as being detailed, 0:03:48.280 --> 0:03:50.760 Orient and the guy that's coming in their high energy, 0:03:51.040 --> 0:03:53.040 like you would think that he's still like a player or. 0:03:53.040 --> 0:03:53.640 Something like that. 0:03:54.160 --> 0:03:56.080 He comes in there with that tenacity, breaking down the 0:03:56.160 --> 0:03:59.000 tech tape like coming down here like he you ever 0:03:59.000 --> 0:04:01.360 see somebody watching, And then you got some guys that 0:04:01.440 --> 0:04:02.880 coach it, and then you got the coaches to do 0:04:02.960 --> 0:04:05.040 with the aggressive tape. He's one of those guys that 0:04:05.120 --> 0:04:07.080 flinches what he go with. When you come down here, 0:04:07.120 --> 0:04:09.640 you got to hit him, hit him like this. He 0:04:09.720 --> 0:04:11.800 acts like he's in there. So I say that to 0:04:11.840 --> 0:04:14.320 say I know him and that energy. It's just like 0:04:14.760 --> 0:04:17.280 I don't count him out, like he's gonna Hey, he's 0:04:17.320 --> 0:04:19.360 gonna hear you out, just like you said. Somebody came 0:04:19.400 --> 0:04:22.200 out and said, hey, terminology too long? Okay, bet I 0:04:22.200 --> 0:04:24.560 got you one word? Okay, you can't do this, bet 0:04:24.600 --> 0:04:26.719 I got you? All right, Well, last word. Let me 0:04:26.800 --> 0:04:28.880 be back here and tell you how to make the call, 0:04:29.080 --> 0:04:31.040 and hopefully you do it. And at that point it's 0:04:31.080 --> 0:04:31.400 on you. 0:04:31.440 --> 0:04:35.080 Get mass this question, what's smacking because you brought up energy? 0:04:35.520 --> 0:04:37.720 Does that matter? Does it really matter? 0:04:37.839 --> 0:04:38.200 It does? 0:04:38.560 --> 0:04:41.520 I forgot who I seen posted the other day. But 0:04:42.000 --> 0:04:45.720 the coach's energy sets everything coming in. There's some guys 0:04:45.760 --> 0:04:48.800 that are well established coaches to where oh, you have 0:04:48.880 --> 0:04:51.800 a winning tuolage or if that makes sense, but that 0:04:51.880 --> 0:04:53.880 don't have anything to do with it. Like y'all know 0:04:53.920 --> 0:04:56.760 how it is like to be a leader amongst men, 0:04:56.920 --> 0:04:59.320 especially alpha men now that are doing things. 0:04:59.480 --> 0:05:00.000 You got it. 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:02.200 I have that one coach on the on the roster 0:05:02.320 --> 0:05:05.320 that that's bringing the energy, that's a former player that 0:05:05.600 --> 0:05:08.040 can still get out there that makes you say, hey, coach, 0:05:08.120 --> 0:05:10.279 I believe in it, and you leading by example to 0:05:10.320 --> 0:05:11.120 go there and so. 0:05:11.279 --> 0:05:14.760 And I bring that up because Wade Phillips wasn't high energy, 0:05:14.920 --> 0:05:18.280 but he knew football and could scheme with the best 0:05:18.320 --> 0:05:21.040 of them. And then Chuck No, Tony Dungee, these were 0:05:21.040 --> 0:05:24.880 not high energy people. Tom Landry one of the greatest 0:05:24.880 --> 0:05:27.239 defensive minds of all time if it at the flex defense, 0:05:27.400 --> 0:05:29.800 he wasn't. So I wonder about that because I know 0:05:29.880 --> 0:05:32.520 some people love it, So I just wonder how much 0:05:32.560 --> 0:05:34.080 does it matter. I loved it playing. 0:05:34.360 --> 0:05:35.800 I loved it when you had a guy that can 0:05:35.839 --> 0:05:39.320 bring energy to the locker room basically can own a room, 0:05:39.440 --> 0:05:41.360 can control a room. Like when you got guys that 0:05:41.400 --> 0:05:44.200 are kind of timid and kind of you sense that 0:05:44.320 --> 0:05:46.960 not sure about something that you lose the room that way. 0:05:47.080 --> 0:05:48.160 I'll give you an example like this. 0:05:48.279 --> 0:05:50.720 We had after Brent, Maxie and them left, we had 0:05:50.720 --> 0:05:52.640 a guy by the name of Joe Baker. Great guy, 0:05:52.800 --> 0:05:54.600 great guy. I still talk to him to this day. 0:05:54.680 --> 0:05:57.600 You know, we still we still conversation back and forth. 0:05:57.640 --> 0:05:59.720 But when it came down to Joe, he was, you know, 0:05:59.839 --> 0:06:03.400 very spoken, very just well, if you want to play 0:06:03.440 --> 0:06:06.400 it this way, you know it, just make sure you're 0:06:06.440 --> 0:06:07.599 on your the hash mark. 0:06:07.680 --> 0:06:10.159 It was just little things like that, and it's like, man. 0:06:10.600 --> 0:06:14.400 The room, he lost the room, the head coach, they 0:06:14.600 --> 0:06:15.039 go to prison. 0:06:15.440 --> 0:06:18.120 Oh wow, you see what the key. 0:06:20.360 --> 0:06:21.359 Friends with the head coach. 0:06:21.400 --> 0:06:21.560 Man. 0:06:21.600 --> 0:06:23.080 That was the whole thing was like, it's my guy 0:06:23.160 --> 0:06:23.880 over he you know. 0:06:25.880 --> 0:06:27.960 But you said the key word there when you said that, 0:06:28.080 --> 0:06:29.760 he said, if you want to play it that way, 0:06:30.680 --> 0:06:32.920 when you got those guys that can control the room, 0:06:33.200 --> 0:06:34.719 it's no, if you want to play it the way, 0:06:35.120 --> 0:06:36.680 you need to play it this way. And this is 0:06:36.760 --> 0:06:38.599 why you need to play it this way. And when 0:06:38.600 --> 0:06:41.120 you hear coach say that, you said, okay, this is 0:06:41.160 --> 0:06:44.200 why you're explaining it as a player, you know how 0:06:44.240 --> 0:06:45.800 it is when you got the old head player in 0:06:45.800 --> 0:06:48.279 the room, man, it wouldn't talk like this, this is stupid. 0:06:48.360 --> 0:06:49.400 I don't understand it. 0:06:49.520 --> 0:06:52.240 And the moment you get somebody to say it's stupid, 0:06:52.320 --> 0:06:54.440 you don't understand that, they don't believe. All it take 0:06:54.520 --> 0:06:56.080 is that one young guy to be over here and 0:06:56.160 --> 0:06:57.160 I'm listening to my vet. 0:06:57.240 --> 0:06:58.960 He it is dumb. And once you lose the room, 0:06:59.320 --> 0:06:59.719 that's it. 0:06:59.839 --> 0:07:02.960 So with that energy, you're gonna have the you're gonna 0:07:03.000 --> 0:07:04.400 have the technique part of it. 0:07:04.480 --> 0:07:05.840 But sometimes there's going to be some. 0:07:05.839 --> 0:07:08.440 Days where you got to close that door and say, hey, y'all, 0:07:08.480 --> 0:07:10.480 I'm a player, I've been here, I know what's going on, 0:07:10.560 --> 0:07:14.040 and God say, hey, I respect that vibe your thoughts. 0:07:14.160 --> 0:07:14.320 Yeah. 0:07:14.360 --> 0:07:18.160 I had my rookie year with the Oiler Slash Titans. 0:07:18.200 --> 0:07:21.960 We had a dude named Ed Sidwell, older defensive coordinator. 0:07:22.360 --> 0:07:24.120 You know, like I said, we ran the forty six, 0:07:24.160 --> 0:07:26.440 but Ed was just gonna sit in his chair to his. 0:07:26.480 --> 0:07:29.320 Dip and spit it out. Shortly after that, we got 0:07:29.320 --> 0:07:30.080 Greg Williams. 0:07:33.200 --> 0:07:34.120 Yo, I would love it. 0:07:34.400 --> 0:07:37.120 And Greg was that dude that was in the room 0:07:37.280 --> 0:07:40.320 amongst a bunch of alpha men who knew he had 0:07:40.360 --> 0:07:43.480 to get the room. So that being said, yeah, it 0:07:43.600 --> 0:07:45.520 was it was energy in that room. Was it was 0:07:45.560 --> 0:07:48.480 just his delivery all the time. Was like in a 0:07:48.520 --> 0:07:50.800 way that like it was an aggressive delivery because we 0:07:50.840 --> 0:07:53.800 wanted to have an aggressive style of defense. So that 0:07:53.880 --> 0:07:56.720 being said, yeah, you definitely got two different types of energy, 0:07:56.720 --> 0:07:59.160 two different types of vibes. Well it's probably more than two, 0:07:59.200 --> 0:08:01.800 but it's all about the vibe. And to have a 0:08:01.880 --> 0:08:05.640 defense coordinator that comes with that energy, it like exudes 0:08:05.680 --> 0:08:07.680 onto the guys in the room too as well, like 0:08:07.720 --> 0:08:09.440 we feel that energy and we want to be like that. 0:08:09.600 --> 0:08:11.360 Okay, so all three of you say you want the 0:08:11.520 --> 0:08:14.640 energy that's from the coordinator. Now what about the head coach? 0:08:14.680 --> 0:08:16.280 Does the head coach have to have the same No, 0:08:17.960 --> 0:08:18.640 it's a balance. 0:08:18.760 --> 0:08:21.920 Like my if my defensive co one, I would want 0:08:21.920 --> 0:08:24.400 my defensive coordinator to be the guy that got the energy, 0:08:24.600 --> 0:08:26.680 but if he doesn't, I need at least one of 0:08:26.720 --> 0:08:29.040 them to go over there, Like okay. 0:08:29.320 --> 0:08:30.560 If I can get both of them to have it. 0:08:30.600 --> 0:08:33.640 Cool prime example, I had coach Norton and UH Coach 0:08:33.920 --> 0:08:36.839 Norton and coach Peek Carroll. Both of them were energy guys. 0:08:36.840 --> 0:08:38.520 But if I can get one guy to pick up 0:08:38.559 --> 0:08:42.000 the slack, say that you got an older defensive coordinator, 0:08:42.000 --> 0:08:44.920 but you got a head coach that can really galvanize them. 0:08:45.080 --> 0:08:46.840 You got to get the best of both worlds. Like, 0:08:46.880 --> 0:08:48.080 you can't just have two guys. 0:08:48.240 --> 0:08:51.559 You need to want somebody would I would love to 0:08:51.600 --> 0:08:53.560 have a coach that's a bad ass twenty four to seven, 0:08:54.000 --> 0:08:56.200 you know what I mean, and that that that whole 0:08:56.240 --> 0:08:58.400 thing could just you know, his energy, like we said, 0:08:58.480 --> 0:09:00.680 can just filter through everybody, you know what I mean. 0:09:00.720 --> 0:09:03.360 And so that being said that, I would love that. 0:09:03.800 --> 0:09:06.840 And you know, like I had John Gruden, Grew was 0:09:06.880 --> 0:09:09.520 that everybody know Grew is the energy dude. But at 0:09:09.559 --> 0:09:11.720 the same time Grew was over there, you know, looking 0:09:11.760 --> 0:09:14.800 like Chucky and everything else like that. But that that 0:09:14.800 --> 0:09:16.760 that came with him, and that came through all of 0:09:16.800 --> 0:09:17.560 us too as well. 0:09:17.640 --> 0:09:20.840 So I want I want see I want I want 0:09:20.840 --> 0:09:23.800 those alpha males run. I never had I want them leaders. 0:09:23.559 --> 0:09:24.400 Like the head coach. 0:09:24.440 --> 0:09:26.600 I never had a head coach that was like I 0:09:26.600 --> 0:09:28.480 mean my whole time, never got the experience one because 0:09:28.480 --> 0:09:31.120 I had you know, Wade had jg and then I 0:09:31.160 --> 0:09:33.680 had Doug Maroon down in Jacksonville and they was. 0:09:33.679 --> 0:09:35.480 All kind of you know, chill chill cast. 0:09:35.600 --> 0:09:35.720 Now. 0:09:35.760 --> 0:09:38.440 I had the coordinators that will that'll get after you, 0:09:38.720 --> 0:09:41.880 rob Ryan, I had them cat balanced up and balance. 0:09:41.880 --> 0:09:42.719 It did balance it out. 0:09:42.720 --> 0:09:45.520 But what I will say is, you know, coaches, it's 0:09:45.520 --> 0:09:47.920 a fine likee because you can't coach everybody the same 0:09:48.360 --> 0:09:50.880 you talking about players, like some cats respond well to. 0:09:51.480 --> 0:09:54.200 Hey, I'm a dog. You ain't nothing like getting on 0:09:54.280 --> 0:09:57.440 their case time in and time out. Some respond well like, Okay, 0:09:57.440 --> 0:09:59.199 I'm gonna show you what it is. But then there's others. 0:09:59.200 --> 0:10:01.920 If you do that same a approach, player wise will 0:10:02.000 --> 0:10:04.319 cave in. But oh they don't know man, Yeah, they'll 0:10:04.320 --> 0:10:05.160 they'll shut down. 0:10:04.960 --> 0:10:08.000 On you, gonna attack you, be like who you talking 0:10:08.600 --> 0:10:12.360 or that this is like you, I'm a grown man, 0:10:12.400 --> 0:10:14.000 Like I've seen it all over the place. 0:10:14.080 --> 0:10:18.079 So it's it's definitely a fine balance. It's interesting, it's 0:10:18.120 --> 0:10:22.480 interesting and obviously Brian Schottenheimer is an energy person, having 0:10:22.559 --> 0:10:24.679 been around Pet Carroll believes in that his father was 0:10:24.720 --> 0:10:26.640 the same way. Brought a lot of juice and energy. 0:10:26.679 --> 0:10:30.160 So it's a very interesting conversation because football is really 0:10:30.160 --> 0:10:32.120 all sports, like how do you balance it and what 0:10:32.160 --> 0:10:34.280 do you do? But it's it's a fantastic conversation. 0:10:34.360 --> 0:10:37.160 You mentioned the name earlier, and and and like one 0:10:37.160 --> 0:10:40.000 of the benefits that I have is being around here. 0:10:40.080 --> 0:10:42.880 And this cowboy organization was for so long. Was I 0:10:42.920 --> 0:10:45.320 actually had a chance to meet Coach Landry back in 0:10:45.360 --> 0:10:48.080 the day. And just like you said, he was a 0:10:48.200 --> 0:10:51.640 quiet man. But it was something about him even as 0:10:51.679 --> 0:10:54.800 a kid, like that strength. You could feel it. It 0:10:54.840 --> 0:10:57.520 was like it was an aura about him, dude, and 0:10:57.559 --> 0:10:59.760 he come when he would come in the room and 0:10:59.760 --> 0:11:02.400 and like it would just be something like you wouldn't 0:11:02.400 --> 0:11:04.600 even be looking that way, but you could feel like, oh, 0:11:05.120 --> 0:11:07.600 he here, you know what I mean. And so that 0:11:07.760 --> 0:11:09.360 was just one of those things about him that I 0:11:09.400 --> 0:11:12.040 never forgot about him even as a kid, that I recognized. 0:11:12.200 --> 0:11:14.439 But that's but that that goes to a demeanor because 0:11:14.480 --> 0:11:16.360 when you think when you talk about him, I think 0:11:16.360 --> 0:11:20.200 about Tom Coughlin. Like Coughlin wasn't a big, raw, raw guy. 0:11:20.280 --> 0:11:23.040 But when I tell you, Kauughlin, Tom had you nervous. 0:11:23.120 --> 0:11:25.319 Or like you said, when you cover their people had 0:11:25.400 --> 0:11:28.320 that mechanism going in their head like hey being your 0:11:28.400 --> 0:11:33.840 me being the your chair early or like whenever you 0:11:34.640 --> 0:11:36.960 the loudest thing in the room is for everybody to 0:11:36.960 --> 0:11:39.240 be quiet, and you hear that pin go to paper 0:11:39.400 --> 0:11:40.200 whenever you hear that. 0:11:40.400 --> 0:11:45.960 But that's those two respect Now. When I went up 0:11:45.960 --> 0:11:49.120 to the Cowboys, practiced up in Denver one year. That 0:11:49.160 --> 0:11:52.000 was the year they had Nathaniel Hackett. He was an 0:11:52.120 --> 0:11:57.920 energy guy, next thing, you know, and then they fired 0:11:57.960 --> 0:12:01.520 in mid Russell got they're doing that Bronco let's ride 0:12:01.840 --> 0:12:04.640 that thing Brockett was that was that was not pretty. 0:12:04.679 --> 0:12:07.679 So you know that that whole energy thing, especially when 0:12:07.679 --> 0:12:08.679 you play us. 0:12:08.679 --> 0:12:10.320 Coach, he was Jackson. 0:12:10.400 --> 0:12:12.199 He was the energy guy. He'd be out there and 0:12:12.200 --> 0:12:13.680 break dancing before practice. 0:12:14.040 --> 0:12:17.839 He was. He was, but. 0:12:17.800 --> 0:12:18.439 He was cool. 0:12:18.760 --> 0:12:19.640 It's a fine line. 0:12:19.720 --> 0:12:21.680 He just couldn't run a room like he just you know, 0:12:21.840 --> 0:12:23.560 he couldn't run, you know, lead man like this. 0:12:24.040 --> 0:12:24.600 His dad was. 0:12:24.760 --> 0:12:27.280 His dad was awesome. Coach. Yeah, I'm saying his dad was. 0:12:27.400 --> 0:12:29.920 It is a different when you see somebody that you said, hey, coach, 0:12:31.520 --> 0:12:32.160 leave me alone. 0:12:32.200 --> 0:12:35.199 Okay. I was. I was with Dennis Thurman and watched 0:12:35.240 --> 0:12:38.240 him at USC. We're talking about his dad, his dad. 0:12:38.360 --> 0:12:38.600 It was. 0:12:38.960 --> 0:12:41.720 It was terrible, It was terrible. I remember the first 0:12:41.800 --> 0:12:46.360 press conference, first press conference, Paul Hackett boy told us 0:12:46.360 --> 0:12:47.960 how they were gonna be good in the quarterback room. 0:12:48.240 --> 0:12:50.240 I'm gonna be good in the quarterback room. And he 0:12:50.360 --> 0:12:54.160 benched this dude named John Fox. Not only bencheding dude 0:12:54.160 --> 0:12:57.160 went the linebackers. How much little use he had for him. 0:12:57.600 --> 0:12:59.720 So so you can see dude was starting for John 0:12:59.760 --> 0:13:03.120 Robber Paul get he now a linebacker and he was 0:13:03.120 --> 0:13:05.160 holding kicks. At the end of the year, he was 0:13:05.200 --> 0:13:08.160 starting again. That quarterback. 0:13:09.120 --> 0:13:09.800 He was suing. 0:13:10.080 --> 0:13:12.240 That thing was bad, bro, And that was you know, 0:13:12.320 --> 0:13:14.280 luckily for him. He was so bad. Pete Carroll came in. 0:13:14.280 --> 0:13:16.120 I remember talking to d T one time. He's like 0:13:16.200 --> 0:13:18.360 they went to the bowl game. Was so out of shape. 0:13:18.920 --> 0:13:21.240 He was so out of shape, man, And that was 0:13:21.280 --> 0:13:22.040 the thing about him. 0:13:22.080 --> 0:13:22.200 Though. 0:13:22.240 --> 0:13:24.920 He was a pro coach like so, so that was 0:13:25.000 --> 0:13:26.880 and that was one of the things. So having him 0:13:26.920 --> 0:13:29.280 as a freshman that pit and you were more so 0:13:29.960 --> 0:13:33.280 he was. He definitely had that pro mentality, all right, 0:13:33.320 --> 0:13:34.959 And so he probably wasn't. 0:13:34.880 --> 0:13:35.680 The best college. 0:13:37.000 --> 0:13:39.880 He didn't know the rule right, but hey, come to 0:13:39.960 --> 0:13:43.560 scheming and putting things together, well, I had the hottest 0:13:43.559 --> 0:13:45.520 package and all kinds of stuff coming. 0:13:47.400 --> 0:13:50.679 C You talked about the great coaches that you had 0:13:50.679 --> 0:13:52.640 of him. It's great. He hired some greaters SATs. But 0:13:52.840 --> 0:13:54.320 this dude didn't know the rules. He was out here 0:13:54.320 --> 0:13:56.480 calling time outs after and you know it's in the 0:13:56.480 --> 0:13:59.199 fourth quarter, they go get a first He called time 0:13:59.320 --> 0:14:07.360 brother clocks out man, and he almost asked Carson Palmers 0:14:07.360 --> 0:14:09.839 that Hugh Jackson was the assistant. Of course he was 0:14:09.840 --> 0:14:11.760 off to go. He had to go save the classman 0:14:11.800 --> 0:14:13.360 and dudes were trying to check out on him man, 0:14:13.640 --> 0:14:15.920 and Carson was actually going prob but when Pete came in, 0:14:15.960 --> 0:14:18.280 he had normal like, nah, man, just wait, you know, yeah, 0:14:18.320 --> 0:14:19.720 give us one more year. And Carson when the. 0:14:21.240 --> 0:14:23.880 Many Carson and got ran out a few places by 0:14:23.920 --> 0:14:26.760 people like Cincinnati and retiring. 0:14:27.320 --> 0:14:29.920 They did him dirty, and since he I mean looking 0:14:29.920 --> 0:14:34.400 at your boys ran him out, he retired. But t 0:14:34.560 --> 0:14:37.480 O and Ocho man, they did out, assisting that what 0:14:37.560 --> 0:14:40.680 he said about I was there for the first it was. 0:14:40.680 --> 0:14:43.000 It was it was the Hall of Fame game. Went in, 0:14:43.680 --> 0:14:45.680 went in and then cursed me out because he had 0:14:45.680 --> 0:14:49.360 a party at the Hall of Fame party and it 0:14:49.400 --> 0:14:51.600 was like four people from the stage my station who 0:14:51.640 --> 0:14:55.320 was there. I snuck in Matt Barry at ESPN. I said, 0:14:55.320 --> 0:15:03.320 two people you on that party won't be lit by 0:15:03.360 --> 0:15:10.040 that drinks and stuff. He found you. I told you, 0:15:10.560 --> 0:15:15.280 you know, he worried about the wrong thing. Man check. 0:15:16.680 --> 0:15:18.880 I'm glad you here, my boy he brought me. Doesn't 0:15:19.880 --> 0:15:20.840 we owe you for this one? 0:15:20.960 --> 0:15:23.280 Emmitt Smith will never be broke because my man was 0:15:23.280 --> 0:15:25.720 taking roll your party and he. 0:15:28.760 --> 0:15:29.080 Drinks. 0:15:30.240 --> 0:15:34.080 And I looked at Matt to because I snuck ument like, yeah, 0:15:34.240 --> 0:15:36.080 you should have kept a low profile back. 0:15:36.080 --> 0:15:36.880 We're doing. 0:15:40.600 --> 0:15:42.760 Next time you see, you need to go get some drinks. 0:15:42.760 --> 0:15:47.320 Man drinking bat give me another man and I'm good 0:15:47.320 --> 0:15:48.040 because I don't drink. 0:15:48.160 --> 0:15:50.880 Yeah, don't mind with them. 0:15:50.880 --> 0:15:53.320 Hall of Fame parties and changed over the past few years. 0:15:53.400 --> 0:15:53.760 They didn't. 0:15:53.760 --> 0:15:54.080 They didn't. 0:15:54.120 --> 0:15:55.960 They didn't morphed into something totally different. 0:15:56.480 --> 0:15:59.200 So they they're nice. 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