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Speaker 1: Out of his shotgun is Pennington. Tight end is flex

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Speaker 1: What a folks, this is Michael Bump is with NASA

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Speaker 1: Choby Hot talking today. We got the author Big Play,

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Speaker 1: Jordan Babineau joining us today. Babbs, how you doing man,

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Speaker 1: Mike Bump what's going on? NASA? Thanks guys, you know

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Speaker 1: it's good to be doing it in the offseason. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for having me on. Hey, thanks for taking time out

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Speaker 1: of your day. We got some things we want to

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Speaker 1: talk to Babs about on the back end, but before

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Speaker 1: we get to that, let's talk about the Seattle Seahawks

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Speaker 1: and what has happened since the season has ended. See

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Speaker 1: what had happened at first? What had happened was unhardoc

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Speaker 1: first thing that happened. New offensive coordinator Shane Waldron is

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Speaker 1: to say we're gonna see some Rams offense in the

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Speaker 1: Seattle offense next year now. Also, Russell Wilson has been

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Speaker 1: named Walter Payton NFL Man of the Year, Greg Olsen,

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Speaker 1: Mike you Potty retired, Jamal Adams has surgery. kJ Right

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Speaker 1: lot has happened, But Babs, I want to ask you

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Speaker 1: about the offensive coordinate to hire. Was this necessary? Do

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Speaker 1: you like the hire? Well? In terms of necessary, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: they had to feel that void um certainly after partying

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Speaker 1: pretty good job of navigating this offense and getting UM

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Speaker 1: I mean, I mean this offense was just high powered

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Speaker 1: Now what happened on you know, the second half and

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Speaker 1: we're into what had happened section? Um. You know, certainly,

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Speaker 1: um still being able to win as many games as

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Speaker 1: certainly when you talk about a Pet Carol offense, he's

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Speaker 1: all about run first. You know, he wants to run

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Speaker 1: that football. UM. And I think in many ways offensively, um,

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Speaker 1: you know, the Hawks kind of put themselves in, you know,

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Speaker 1: moving away from being too predictable in the offense, they

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Speaker 1: to me. So now we talked about Russell Wilson, Man

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Speaker 1: of the Year kJ Seattle Sports Star. You got an

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Speaker 1: the Seahawks are gonna have a good season. Let me

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Speaker 1: remind folks, they were twelve and four, still had a

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Speaker 1: good season, but we want more. So why why should

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Speaker 1: you I went on this journey of of writing writing

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Speaker 1: Pivot to Win back in the summer of twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 1: And you know, at the core of you know, who

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Speaker 1: I am and my desire to want to create impact

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Speaker 1: and create community. Um, it's about helping other people Pivot

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Speaker 1: to win. It's just another way that gives me an

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Speaker 1: opportunity to do so. And in the book Pivot to Win,

431
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Speaker 1: I share my stories of success and failures. And you know,

432
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Speaker 1: we're all we're all pivoting, you know, all the time. Um,

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Speaker 1: you know, whether we really lives that are not changes

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Speaker 1: one thing that's consistent in our lives and and bump.

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Speaker 1: I know you've had your experiences as well of pivoting

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Speaker 1: away from the NFL. But you know, for me, it

437
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Speaker 1: was it was a big challenge. You know, Um, I

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Speaker 1: felt like I lost a self of a piece of myself.

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Speaker 1: I lost a little bit of identity. I was dealing

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Speaker 1: with um challenges and of um you know, psychology challenges,

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Speaker 1: of value, of finding myself. UM. I think one of

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Speaker 1: the biggest things when I talked to former players, it's like,

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Speaker 1: when I come out of the NFL, it's like, well,

444
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Speaker 1: what am I gonna do? So time management became, um,

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Speaker 1: you know, one of the big skills that I really

446
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Speaker 1: had to hone in on. But you know I had

447
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Speaker 1: to and redefining success, you know, it was no longer

448
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Speaker 1: putting on a jersey, uh, you know, catching interceptions or

449
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Speaker 1: chasing Tony Romo down before he got into the end zone. Um.

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Speaker 1: But but I will say that you know, accepting change

451
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Speaker 1: and accepting the challenge of pivoting away became the catalyst

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Speaker 1: for growth for me. I think you just jumped into

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Speaker 1: my next question. Babs. You talked about obviously you put

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Speaker 1: the pads on. We know he's big play baths. You

455
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Speaker 1: know he's number twenty seven. Um. Not everyone knows you

456
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Speaker 1: as everything else that you were about man and not

457
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Speaker 1: everyone knows that you got an MBA, that you went

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Speaker 1: back to school, that you have a bunch of different businesses.

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Speaker 1: So like since retiring you became a broadcaster, you founded

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Speaker 1: those businesses. What would you credit probably your your ability

461
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Speaker 1: to like you said, pivot. You went from because no one,

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Speaker 1: no one, there's no game plan right when you're done

463
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Speaker 1: playing football. I think that's so many things that people struggle.

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Speaker 1: So how did you go from that to being so

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Speaker 1: successful in every other part of your life? Yeah? You know, Um,

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Speaker 1: I think the biggest thing you know for me is

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Speaker 1: is that no matter where I was in my circumstances,

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Speaker 1: I'll go back. So So I grew up in port Uto, Texas,

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Speaker 1: and I'm talking you know as many um other athletes

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Speaker 1: may have experienced. You know, I was surrounded by by

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Speaker 1: drug addiction, by violence by um. You know, my mother

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Speaker 1: was on government assistance, and you know, the streets seemed

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Speaker 1: like a fast way to make money. UM. But but

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Speaker 1: I never really um let my condition or circumstances dictate

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Speaker 1: where I wanted to go or what I ain't envisioned

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Speaker 1: for myself. And I won't say that that was innate,

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Speaker 1: that was natural. It was something that um just as

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Speaker 1: a kid, that I wanted to develop when I wanted

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Speaker 1: to grow, and I was interested in um. I remember

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Speaker 1: as as a child looking on looking at a clock

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Speaker 1: on the wall, and you know, understanding like how does

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Speaker 1: this clock work like it? How does this clock know

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Speaker 1: that it's neon or that at twelve thirty or whatever

484
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Speaker 1: time it was? Well, I later found out as I

485
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Speaker 1: got older, bumped that all it took was batteries, right,

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Speaker 1: you put it to batteries in any words. But but

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Speaker 1: when we talk about the clock, you know this, this

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Speaker 1: this idea of the clock is that you know, one

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Speaker 1: axel or one mechanism moves the other, you know, and

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Speaker 1: it's like, what am I doing now today that will

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Speaker 1: help me move closer to the person I become or

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Speaker 1: the person I desire for myself? The change that I

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Speaker 1: want to seek in my own life or um or

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Speaker 1: the the upgrade or advancement in my career that I want.

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Speaker 1: And I really had to examine some of my habits

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Speaker 1: and I had to let go some of the habits

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Speaker 1: that work that wasn't serving those purposes. Um. And just

498
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Speaker 1: became a real um opportunity for me to address the

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Speaker 1: things that I felt as a player that I've masked

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Speaker 1: for so long, you know, as kids and as young

501
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Speaker 1: boys were taught oh don't cry or you know, toughen up,

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Speaker 1: and especially in football, when we have this alpha male

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Speaker 1: mentality and this macho mindset that I can do it

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Speaker 1: all and you know and nothing hurts. Well, um, it's

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Speaker 1: it's it's when I began to pivot away from the

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Speaker 1: NFL that I was also pivoting emotionally and spiritually and

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Speaker 1: and and I wrapped that all together. Uh. And through

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Speaker 1: this book writing process, I was able to let go

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Speaker 1: of a lot of the things that I would have

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Speaker 1: massked and the things that I've held on for so long. Um.

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Speaker 1: So now I would I would credit to to just

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Speaker 1: having that that growth mindset and looking out beyond the

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Speaker 1: current circumstances and conditions that I was in to achieve

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Speaker 1: and want something better for where I was in my

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Speaker 1: current circumstance, in my current condition and as and I

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Speaker 1: feel like you couldn't do that without having someone or

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Speaker 1: something hold you accountable. You talk about finding people to

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Speaker 1: hold you accountable in your book. Who doesn't for you?

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Speaker 1: And why do you feel like that's so essential? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's it's it's one of those things when

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Speaker 1: when you start talking about accountability that you know you

522
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Speaker 1: can be accountable to yourself, right, But um, I think

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Speaker 1: when you began tom to share what it is that

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Speaker 1: you want with someone who can hold you accountable for instance,

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Speaker 1: you know, I mean when we played, our coaches held

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Speaker 1: us accountable. I mean you have to know the playbook

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Speaker 1: in order to make to get on the field, you

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Speaker 1: have to understand your position and you almost have to

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Speaker 1: understand how the positions around you work as well. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you really have to look at it from a big

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Speaker 1: picture of bird's eye view of how the offense, how

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Speaker 1: one player of affects the movement of the other. You know,

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Speaker 1: having an accountability group, having a performance partner, or whatever

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Speaker 1: you want to call it, you know, to me just

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Speaker 1: gives you an opportunity to to step up. And I'll

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Speaker 1: use this instance. When I decided to write this book,

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Speaker 1: I was at a business leadership masterclass down in San Diego.

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Speaker 1: My mentor, Darren Hardy, you know, held this private engagement

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Speaker 1: with a hundred business owners across the world, and he

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Speaker 1: he stood up, he invited us to come back a

541
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Speaker 1: little early for anyone who was interested in writing a book.

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Speaker 1: And somehow, some way, this idea clicked in for me. Now,

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Speaker 1: I didn't know what this writing process would be, or

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Speaker 1: what the topic and subject would be, but I stood

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Speaker 1: up in front of ninety nine other people and said

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Speaker 1: I'm going to write a book and just uttering those

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Speaker 1: words to myself, I was like, what are you doing?

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Speaker 1: And but it's that level of accountability I think when

549
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Speaker 1: if we're answering to ourselves and it's okay to say, oh,

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Speaker 1: i'll sleep in today, I'll make it up tomorrow, or

551
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 1: oh things aren't going well, I'm not seeing the success

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Speaker 1: that I want. You know, I can give up. But

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Speaker 1: when you have that accountability partner, you want to prove

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Speaker 1: you want to live up to what you said you

555
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:21,120
Speaker 1: wanted to do. And I think that's just super important

556
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 1: when you start to set goals for yourself. That that's

557
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 1: one way to help you achieve your goals is to

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Speaker 1: have that accountability partner and someone that could help you

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00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,400
Speaker 1: reach the person or desire that you want for yourself.

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00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 1: You know, I think I love you hearing about talking

561
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Speaker 1: about being accountable, because accountable is something that as you

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00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 1: learn as a football player, you learn in life. It's

563
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Speaker 1: something that you need. If you say you're gonna do something,

564
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Speaker 1: do it right. But I think what happens beyond that

565
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 1: is you get told no a lot, right as I'm

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Speaker 1: sure as a football player, as trying to start your

567
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Speaker 1: own business going back to school, you've probably been told no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: So I'm pivot to win. You know, it's just refusing

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Speaker 1: no for an answer. You know, we hear that a lot,

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Speaker 1: But what does that mean in practice? Yeah? Yeah, no,

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00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 1: that's that's great and you're absolutely right. You know, Um,

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00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 1: starting a small business there's no easy feat. You know,

573
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 1: when you when you want to go to a banker

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Speaker 1: with it with a great idea or a concept that

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00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 1: has proven, uh to get capital so you can scale

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00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 1: up and you're told no, Um or you want to

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Speaker 1: see want to seek a client or relationship or a

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Speaker 1: business partner, um, and suddenly you can't get the access

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Speaker 1: that you need to them. You know, I often think

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Speaker 1: of when people tell me no, then well maybe I'm

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Speaker 1: just asking the wrong person, you know. Really, I mean

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Speaker 1: it's like you're not the person that I need to

583
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Speaker 1: talk to because I don't want to give someone the

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Speaker 1: authority or the permission to say that I can't achieve

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Speaker 1: something that I want. And and oftentime, just the person

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Speaker 1: who who's saying the no UH is standing in the

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Speaker 1: way of what it is that you want. I'll share

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00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 1: this on the other side too, is that not telling

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00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 1: yourself no? You know? UM, there's there's this battle that

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00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 1: we all experienced and you know what your professional football

591
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 1: player or not. There's this battle between the body and

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Speaker 1: the mind. And we all have this enemy that lives

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Speaker 1: within us that tells us we we you know, don't

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00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 1: try that or you know you may look silly doing that,

595
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 1: don't do it right, and it forces us to act

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Speaker 1: to not act within our you know, our self, our

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00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 1: our given self UM, to be authentic and to be

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Speaker 1: real when really that that inclination or that idea UH

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Speaker 1: is sometimes a divine or a spiritual UH. You know

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Speaker 1: talk or or voice that's given us permission to do that.

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00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 1: And and oftentimes when we um, when we fight this

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00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 1: enemy that lives within us, that that keeps us caged

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Speaker 1: from taking that step. Uh, it's it's we're like, we're

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Speaker 1: living in this sense of fear and and and it's

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Speaker 1: really hindering us for an opportunity to see beyond what

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Speaker 1: this what this false evidence of of of um appearing

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Speaker 1: real in our head is telling us not to do

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Speaker 1: and it's stopping us from achieving something that where we

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Speaker 1: see it and we do it, there's new discoveries on

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Speaker 1: the other side of that. No, there's new discoveries on

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00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 1: the other side of taking that first step and acting.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's one of you two ways to

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Speaker 1: look at it. It's the one person that's standing in

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Speaker 1: the way of your yes, and maybe you're just asking

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00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,239
Speaker 1: the wrong person who don't have the authority. But then

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00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 1: it's also not telling yourself no and moving beyond this

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00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 1: initial sense of fear because it seems a little bit

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00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 1: frightening or uncomfortable to do something that you really want

619
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Speaker 1: for yourself. Babs blessed us with a bunch of knowledge,

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Speaker 1: and that's just a snippet, go get the book, folks,

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Speaker 1: Pivot to Win Man within fifteen minutes. Man, I took

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Speaker 1: down about four or five six notes there, Babs. So

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Speaker 1: we appreciate you coming on man, Like we said, go

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Speaker 1: get this man's book, Pivot to Win, Transition, Accountability, a

625
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 1: whole bunch of stuff you didn't even touch on. I'm

626
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 1: excited to read. Man. I appreciate you taking time out

627
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 1: of your day. Yeah. Thanks, thanks, bumping And for those, um,

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00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 1: you know, you can go get a free chapter download

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00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 1: right now at pivot toWin dot com. Uh, certainly follow

630
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 1: me on all of the social media channels at Jordan

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00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 1: Babineaux on Twitter, Facebook, LinkedIn, and on Instagram. And then

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Speaker 1: I'll leave you with this quote here, bump um. It's

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Speaker 1: a quote from Muhammad Ali and it says, a man

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00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 1: who views the world the same at fifty as he

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00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 1: did at twenty has wasted thirty years of his life.

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Speaker 1: And essentially, Pivot to Win is a story of change.

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Speaker 1: It's a story of evolution, it's the story of growth,

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Speaker 1: You know what you do when you pivot to triple threat? Baby,

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Speaker 1: that's Jordan Babinham. Thanks for your time, sir. All right,

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Speaker 1: thanks Bob, I appreciate you having. That's good to see

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