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Speaker 1: Lani Welcome, our user. I'm doing fine. What a what

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Speaker 1: What what what you're seeing now is that is the real

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Speaker 1: it and they're sick of it. Lanh Chen is the

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Speaker 1: David and Diane Staffy Fellow in American Public Policy Studies

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Speaker 1: at the Hoover Institution, host of the podcast Crossing Lines

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Speaker 1: with Lanha Chenlan. He thank you so much for the wisdom.

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