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Speaker 2: Welcome to another edition of the Giants Little Podcast, brought

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Speaker 2: to you by citizens Official.

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Speaker 1: Bank of the Giants. I am John Schmelk.

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Speaker 2: Joined for the first time on this program by one

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Speaker 2: of the excellent reporters that covers the NFL for the

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Speaker 2: NFL Network, Cameron Wolf.

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Speaker 1: Cameron, what's going on, man? How are you?

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Speaker 3: It's great man, great day when I get to chat

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Speaker 3: with you. Man. How you doing?

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Speaker 1: I think you're doing better than me. What are you?

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Speaker 1: Are you in Miami? Is that where you're at?

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Speaker 3: I am in Miami.

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Speaker 4: It's so I'm not gonna I'm not gonna rub it in.

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Speaker 4: But it's a nice eighty degree day.

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Speaker 3: You know, sun's out. It's a good time to live

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Speaker 3: in Miami.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, not quite the highest forty nine degrees like I

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Speaker 2: walked out into in Northern New Jersey today. Uh So

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Speaker 2: we're just go a lot about quarterbacks today. You were

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Speaker 2: at the Miami Pro Day. We'll talk about cam Ward.

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Speaker 2: Everything you've found out there. You do a podcast with

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Speaker 2: Jamal Holland we'll talk about that, but I want to

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Speaker 2: touch on the news of the day with you first.

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Speaker 2: It was reported by colleagues on the network you guys,

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Speaker 2: Et Rappaport, Tom Telasero on Tuesday night that the Giants

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Speaker 2: have agreed the terms of the Russell Wilson That's only

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Speaker 2: a couple of days after Jamis Wilson. Jameis Winston apparently

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Speaker 2: agreed terms as well. Neither of those official as we

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Speaker 2: record this Wednesday afternoon. Your thoughts on how the Giants

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Speaker 2: kind of have attacked the quarterback room with a couple

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I like what they've done given their options, Like,

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Speaker 4: of course you want that bona fide franchise quarterback that

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Speaker 4: Doesn't really work that way. Those guys don't usually hit

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Speaker 4: the market. So I do think that, Like if you

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Speaker 4: money they're given. They're given equal money to both Jameins

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Speaker 4: and Russell that you know the Colts gave to Daniel Jones,

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Speaker 4: and so you essentially find that potential starting quarterback, whether

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Speaker 4: still keeps you open for the chance to draft a

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Speaker 4: It gives you optionality, which I think as a team

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Speaker 4: and then every team in the league knows we've got

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Speaker 3: And I do like how they went about the process

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Speaker 4: Now, the reality is they got to figure out to

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Speaker 3: The success that they wanted.

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Speaker 4: They made the playoffs, which he was a huge part of,

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Speaker 4: but it kind of waned at the end. Jamis had

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Speaker 4: his peaks and valleys, and so you really just want

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Speaker 4: released competing for that playoff spot. But I do think

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Speaker 4: they've improved their quarterback situation from where they were last year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and look that end of year schedule for Pittsburgh

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Speaker 2: The two games did the playoff game at Baltimore, regular

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Speaker 1: But other than that, it was a tough schedule.

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Speaker 2: I guess the way I look at is that it's

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Speaker 2: he's not as rollable, but he still raises the floor.

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Speaker 2: Of years, there was a higher level of competence week

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Speaker 2: that too, he's going to raise the floor and make

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you're absolutely right about the floor raising.

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Speaker 4: Like I think the Giants defense has a potential to

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Speaker 4: be really good this season. You know, I think they

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Speaker 4: if they live up to their potential. Now you just

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Speaker 4: If there was one criticism of Russell Wilson last year

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Speaker 4: You just need a guy not to turn the ball

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Speaker 4: And so I think that's what Russell is at this stage,

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Speaker 4: I spoke with their stealers off his codinator, Arthur Smith,

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Speaker 4: A lot of times you get older guys and the

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Speaker 4: reality is they're they're stuck in their ways. Is you

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Speaker 4: imagine him and Brian day Ball could have similar situations

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Speaker 4: And when you got a guy like Malik Neighbors who

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you have two guys with different perspectives, right,

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Speaker 2: Jamis Wilson with Winston top overall pick, lost the job

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Speaker 2: Russell Wilson, on the other hand, third round pick, beat

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Speaker 4: Right, a super Bowl champion and Russell Wilson as well,

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Speaker 4: a guy who's been been to places Jameis Winston.

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Speaker 3: You know, I think one thing that's.

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Speaker 4: Really cool about the quarterback room is I'm sure that rookie,

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Speaker 4: Jamis is gonna be making the jokes.

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Speaker 3: Russ is going to be showing you.

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Speaker 4: How to lead, and so there's not going to be

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Speaker 4: the territorial feel that you often see when you got

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Speaker 4: what they've done. And my thought is that there's not

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Speaker 3: You do.

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Speaker 4: I think that you you gotta build for the now

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Speaker 4: also got to build for the future too, if you're

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Speaker 1: And I think now you head into the draft camp.

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Speaker 2: To your point, you're still looking for a future quarterback,

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Speaker 2: right James Is on a reported two year deal, Russell

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Speaker 2: for a franchise quarterback. But you don't necessarily feel the

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Speaker 2: do you think the Johnson will approach this in the draft?

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Speaker 2: Is it more likely now you think it's a Travis

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the first question is can we get

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Speaker 4: Like I think you have to figure that out and

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Speaker 4: do everything you can to figure it out before you

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Speaker 4: move forward. And I know Joe Shane was at cam

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Speaker 4: Ward's pro day. You know there was some video taken.

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Speaker 4: I was staying in about three feet away as Joe

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Speaker 4: Shane's talking to Titans general manager Mike Borganzi.

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Speaker 3: Maybe they were talking about what they're gonna eat eat dinner.

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Speaker 3: There may have been some conversation of hey, what you're thinking?

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Speaker 3: You know, what are we thinking?

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Speaker 4: And those conversations I'm sure have happened, They'll continue to

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Speaker 3: Like cam Board. From what I understand, a lot.

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Speaker 4: Of people view him as the number one quarterback in

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Speaker 4: the draft, and he had a.

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Speaker 3: Great prode, showed his ceiling, showed what he could do now.

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Speaker 3: And if you're the Giants, you got to see is

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Speaker 4: If the answer ultimately is no, then yes, you go

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Speaker 4: feel about your door Sanders? And he's got his pro

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Speaker 1: If you're lined up here, you gotta go over the

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Speaker 2: Well, you mentioned the Titans. You do some more covering them,

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Speaker 4: No, They've got needs and so you think about, Okay,

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Speaker 4: From what I've heard talking to them, they do really

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Speaker 4: So that type of stuff probably increases how you feel

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Speaker 4: But it's sort of like this. I use this comparison.

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Speaker 3: It gives you that ability to chase some of the

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Speaker 4: You're Patrick Mahomes, your Josh Allens, Joe Burrows, your Lamar Jackson's.

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Speaker 1: There's just a quiet confidence about him.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure if it comes from going from incarnate

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Speaker 2: It is like, it's not look at me, look at me.

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Speaker 3: The social media videos, he'll give it to you. And

443
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Speaker 3: I think that's the type of guy that you know.

444
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Speaker 3: If he ended up in New York, he would fit

445
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Speaker 3: in this market.

446
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Speaker 4: But he also could be in a small town like

447
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Speaker 4: Tennessee and shine there. And I think that's that's what

448
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Speaker 4: excites probably a owner or president. You want to get

449
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Speaker 4: to know the guy like the football player. That's that's

450
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Speaker 4: the head coach and the general manager. They worry about

451
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Speaker 4: it if you can ball or not. The owner, the

452
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Speaker 4: president's gonna wonder about is he gonna get himself in trouble?

453
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Speaker 4: How is he going to represent ourselves himself as the

454
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Speaker 4: face of a franchise. And I think that cam Ward

455
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Speaker 4: has showed that he's checking all those boxes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you.

457
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Speaker 2: I agree with you, and I think he'll do a

458
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Speaker 2: nice job wherever he goes.

459
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Speaker 1: And you're right. When you're in a conference.

460
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Speaker 2: If the Titans drafting with Joe Burrow, Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen,

461
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Speaker 2: and Patrick Mahomes. You better have a guy with some

462
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Speaker 2: ceiling because otherwise you're not You're not gonna go very

463
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Speaker 2: far in the plos, gonna have it goes all right.

464
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Speaker 2: Final thing here, and this is originally why I wanted

465
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Speaker 2: to reach out to have you on and all those

466
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Speaker 2: other stuff that happened, and it worked out perfectly, had

467
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Speaker 2: like four topics. So you host the podcast down there,

468
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Speaker 2: the Breaking House Rules Podcast, and Javon Holland is one

469
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Speaker 2: of your co hosts. So very few people I think

470
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Speaker 2: I have an insight into Javon Holland and the Giants

471
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Speaker 2: just signed to be the starting safety as a guy

472
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Speaker 2: and a player. Then you do, so tell Giant fans

473
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Speaker 2: what they're getting a guy in a player in Javon Holland.

474
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Speaker 4: I think Giants fans are gonna love Javon. He's a

475
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Speaker 4: very eccentric personality. He's gonna let you know how he feels,

476
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Speaker 4: which some people love, some people don't. But I will

477
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Speaker 4: tell you this, like I've got to really know who

478
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Speaker 4: he is, and he's genuine, he's intentional and he rallies

479
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Speaker 4: guys around him like he was a team captain the

480
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Speaker 4: second year in Miami. You know that's unheard of their

481
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Speaker 4: multiple years there and you know he immediately got leadership there.

482
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Speaker 3: But he also balled.

483
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Speaker 4: He gets around the ball very quickly, and he can

484
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Speaker 4: play multiple positions.

485
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Speaker 3: He's a blitzer.

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Speaker 4: He did that really well early in his career. Didn't

487
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Speaker 4: get allowed to do it the last couple of years.

488
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Speaker 4: He could play deep safety, he could play in the slot.

489
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Speaker 4: But as I've known him off the field, you get

490
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Speaker 4: you get a guy who I think he's gonna flourish

491
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Speaker 4: in New York because he's got an interesting mix where

492
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Speaker 4: he can ball on the field, but engage with fans,

493
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Speaker 4: engage with a market.

494
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Speaker 3: He wants to be connected.

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Speaker 4: He wants to be a face of a team, be

496
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Speaker 4: a face of a defense, and embrace everything that comes

497
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Speaker 4: with it.

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Speaker 3: He loves golf.

499
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Speaker 4: Meet him golf a ton for one of the first

500
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Speaker 4: things he was thinking about after he signed was working

501
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Speaker 4: on golf up there. And I know he's connected with

502
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Speaker 4: some people in New York to.

503
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Speaker 3: Find places to the golf. I know his family is

504
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Speaker 3: from New York.

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Speaker 4: He has a lovely girlfriend who is from New York

506
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Speaker 4: as well, and so they're already getting assimilated to the

507
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Speaker 4: place there. I know he's very smart. I think that's

508
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Speaker 4: one thing that you guys will learn about him. He

509
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Speaker 4: immediately did his homework there. I talked to him the

510
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Speaker 4: day of and he was like, I heard about intro

511
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Speaker 4: a role and I hadn't watched him play, but I

512
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Speaker 4: heard some Giants folks saying he was one of the

513
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Speaker 4: better safeties who's played there, and so now I'm watching

514
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Speaker 4: his tape and maybe I can.

515
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Speaker 3: Be a little bit like entre a role. And he

516
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Speaker 3: called Xavier.

517
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Speaker 4: McKinney and got advice from him early on in the process,

518
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Speaker 4: and the Xavier actually raved about the Giants, told him

519
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Speaker 4: that you know, especially if they win, the fan base

520
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Speaker 4: is going to love you and that the team will

521
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Speaker 4: treat you great.

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Speaker 3: He told them places to live, things like that.

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Speaker 4: I know Kevon Thibodeau, who he played college ball with

524
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Speaker 4: for one year, was big into the recruitment stage with

525
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Speaker 4: him and to keep texting them come on, come on.

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Speaker 3: But more than anything, I think.

527
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Speaker 4: That he's a guy who was still ascending as a player,

528
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Speaker 4: and a lot of time in free agencies you get

529
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Speaker 4: maybe discarded good you're getting the last of a guy

530
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Speaker 4: or that sort of thing. He just turned twenty five

531
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Speaker 4: years old, and he was very much on the way

532
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Speaker 4: of being maybe a top three safety in football before

533
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Speaker 4: getting banged up the last.

534
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Speaker 3: Year year and a half there.

535
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Speaker 4: So I definitely think that he will continue that ascension.

536
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Speaker 4: And I think within a year, Giants fans are going

537
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Speaker 4: to be like, man.

538
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Speaker 3: We got to steal. How do we get this guy?

539
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Speaker 1: If you want to know how to manage two minutes

540
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Speaker 1: of crunch time football, I'm your man. But if you're

541
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Speaker 1: wondering about a long term financial plan, you should.

542
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Speaker 3: Talk to Citizens.

543
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Speaker 1: Hey, I can also talk long care.

544
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Speaker 3: I'd like to learn about annuliar team. Yes, I knew I.

545
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Speaker 1: Could help makes sense of your money.

546
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Speaker 3: With Citizens.

547
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Speaker 1: You talked about how he plays multiple positions.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, the first thing I talked to

549
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Speaker 2: him the day he signed here, we did our first interview.

550
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Speaker 2: First thing he said after we were done, so, when

551
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Speaker 2: you know about golf courses up here, there is no

552
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Speaker 2: shortage of golf courses in New Jersey, trust, but you

553
00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:20,720
Speaker 2: will have no problem finding eighteenth to play. Where do

554
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Speaker 2: you think he plays his best ball, because you're right,

555
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Speaker 2: he plays all over the place. Where do you think

556
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Speaker 2: he's best utilized to take advantage of his strength, because

557
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Speaker 2: it's funny coming in I remember scotting to come out

558
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Speaker 2: of college, and I thought he was a great ballhawk,

559
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Speaker 2: and I've honestly been surprised as interception numbers have him

560
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Speaker 2: been a little bit higher because he's so smart and

561
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Speaker 2: he has such good range.

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Speaker 1: So where do you think he would fit best.

563
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Speaker 4: I think that he's best as an attacking player. I

564
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Speaker 4: think that's the best way I can say it.

565
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Speaker 3: When he was used.

566
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Speaker 4: Early on in his career, and I think he'll explain

567
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Speaker 4: this as he talked talks to you guys more his

568
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Speaker 4: second his first and second year, he was in a

569
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Speaker 4: Patriot style defense, which is probably not too dissimilar to

570
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Speaker 4: what you know Bowen's gonna run out there where you're

571
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Speaker 4: going to run two high safeties. But they allowed him

572
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Speaker 4: to use that range to attacked on balls when he's

573
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Speaker 4: playing deep. But also he was allowed to blitz. He

574
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Speaker 4: was also allowed to play in the box. And I

575
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Speaker 4: think he wants an intentional style from what he's explaining

576
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Speaker 4: to me of a defense of how he's used. I

577
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Speaker 4: think too often in the last year or two he

578
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Speaker 4: was retreating and having to come up late and make

579
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Speaker 4: a tackle. He may have missed a tackle or he

580
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Speaker 4: may not. I think uncertainty is maybe not like that.

581
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Speaker 4: If it's an uncertain defense or if it's a reaction defense,

582
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Speaker 4: that's not where he's going to be on the best.

583
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Speaker 4: He wants to be the attacker. He wants to be

584
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Speaker 4: the guy where, Hey, the ball's in the air, let

585
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Speaker 4: me go get it. I'm at a blitz, let me

586
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Speaker 4: go get it. Play in the slot, let me go

587
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:39,359
Speaker 4: attack it. And he has great speed, he has great range,

588
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:41,960
Speaker 4: He has good instincts and ball skills, and so I

589
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Speaker 4: think you want to let him use those rather than

590
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Speaker 4: reacting to what the offense does.

591
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Speaker 2: And it's funny. I think I was impressed too. He

592
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 2: talked about how he looked at Tyler Nuban. He knew

593
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Speaker 2: about the cornerbacks. This seems like a guy and it's safety.

594
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Speaker 2: You want the guy that does the extra work right,

595
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Speaker 2: because there's so much in terms of reading the defense

596
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,080
Speaker 2: and standing what the offense is trying to do. He

597
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:03,919
Speaker 2: seems to be that type of cerebral player. And by

598
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 2: the way, he tested well too. He ran in the

599
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 2: four fours at the combo. He seems to kind of

600
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Speaker 2: bring all those things together as a guy that can,

601
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Speaker 2: you know, do everything in safety that you need somebody

602
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Speaker 2: to do.

603
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that when you're looking for a tone setter,

604
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Speaker 4: that's what he's going to bring. I think that he's

605
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:22,240
Speaker 4: going to bring energy. I think that when I talk

606
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Speaker 4: to offensive coordinator, especially the first couple of years and

607
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:29,119
Speaker 4: and third year before he got hurt as well, they

608
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Speaker 4: would ask me and they would circle him, like, Hey,

609
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Speaker 4: what's what's number eight doing? Like he's a guy you

610
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Speaker 4: circle on the board because he kind of wrecks your

611
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Speaker 4: defensive plan, Like we got to know where he is

612
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Speaker 4: because whatever we're trying to do, he's a disruptor. And

613
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Speaker 4: I think that's the intelligence you're talking about, knowing.

614
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Speaker 3: Exactly what he has to handle.

615
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Speaker 4: And I also think he's a guy who wants to

616
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Speaker 4: be coached hard, which you don't see a lot of

617
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Speaker 4: young players in this day and age that want to

618
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Speaker 4: be coached hard. He you know, I don't think you're

619
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Speaker 4: gonna have an issue if you yell at him a

620
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Speaker 4: few times. Like, I think he wants to be led

621
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Speaker 4: down a direction where he can develop. He can understand

622
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Speaker 4: the why, he can understand the details of the plan,

623
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Speaker 4: so he can play fast, as I discussed, rather than

624
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Speaker 4: have some uncertainty, because hey, if this happens, you do this.

625
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 4: If this happens, you do no attack, You do this,

626
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Speaker 4: and I think that's where you'll see him shine the most.

627
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Speaker 2: I can tell the folks about your podcast and anything

628
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Speaker 2: else you have going on that you want them to

629
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Speaker 2: know about.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, first of all, appreciate you for the time. Yeah,

631
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Speaker 3: Breaking Outs Rules is our podcast.

632
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Speaker 4: We started in October, you know, Giants fans out welcome

633
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Speaker 4: any of you guys. We have it on YouTube, We

634
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Speaker 4: have it on Spotify and Apple if you want to listen.

635
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Speaker 4: We're gonna take a little bit of a hiatus in

636
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Speaker 4: the off season. So we actually just filmed two episodes.

637
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Speaker 4: There's one that'll come out tomorrow with Robbie Chosen, We

638
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Speaker 4: had his interview guests, and then we'll have another one

639
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 4: that's a little bit more of just us having fun

640
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Speaker 4: talking about his first couple of weeks as a Giant.

641
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Speaker 4: You'll get some fun nuggets that'll come out next week

642
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Speaker 4: as well, and then hopefully, if things go smoothly, we'll

643
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Speaker 4: replay it and start again, you know, sometime in the summer.

644
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 4: But you can find that on YouTube breaking House Rules

645
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Speaker 4: just b r E A K I N with apostrophe.

646
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 4: House Rules just a name we came up with on

647
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Speaker 4: a golf course one day. And also you can follow

648
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Speaker 4: us on NFL Network. We're on Insiders Monday through Friday,

649
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 4: seven to eight talking all things ball on NFL Network

650
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Speaker 4: and I'm Cameron wolf E at the end on Twitter

651
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Speaker 4: and Instagram.

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Speaker 2: Awesome, Yeah, I could take you, folks. It's a good podcast.

653
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Speaker 2: I got a lot of good intel on Javon. I

654
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Speaker 2: watched that full episode you did with him when he

655
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Speaker 2: signed the morning he came in here to make sure

656
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Speaker 2: I add some background on him, So I appreciate it.

657
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Speaker 1: Cam. Good luck the rest of the offseason. It never ends.

658
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Speaker 1: There is no breaks.

659
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Speaker 2: I can't wait till you in July get here when

660
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Speaker 2: actually nothing's going on. We can actually all take a

661
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Speaker 2: little bit of vacation. But until then, have fun with

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