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Speaker 4: five minutes.
Speaker 2: We're here at the Star Frisco.
Speaker 4: Of course, the team is out in Oxnar, California, at
Speaker 4: training camp. Tomorrow is a joint practice with the Los
Speaker 4: Angeles Rams, so they got one more.
Speaker 2: Day to get ready for that.
Speaker 4: This is a good time to see players because a
Speaker 4: Zeke Kelly is not playing in the preseason game, so
Speaker 4: this work in the joint practices is really the work
Speaker 4: that We're going to see the starters here and also
Speaker 4: hack the opportunity to see some of these young guys
Speaker 4: that can look good against your guys, how do you
Speaker 4: look against Sean mcvays boys, Who are some players that
Speaker 4: you're looking at.
Speaker 5: That you want to see, you know, I think one,
Speaker 5: I'm sure all of these guys are looking forward to
Speaker 5: the opportunity to come up against different oppositions. They're probably
Speaker 5: tired running into each other. But these young guys, I mean,
Speaker 5: we have a young linebacker group that I think a
Speaker 5: guy like Maurice lea foul out of Notre Dame, is
Speaker 5: showing the coaches that he could be a centerpiece on
Speaker 5: this defense. His versatility, a guy that can play at
Speaker 5: the line of scrimmage, a guy that can also play
Speaker 5: off ball that really does free up a player like
Speaker 5: Michael Parsons. You also have excuse me, Marshaun Kneeling, our
Speaker 5: draft picked. There is another guy that is showing promise
Speaker 5: you on him to show give you even more because
Speaker 5: of Sam Williams going down. So I think he's another
Speaker 5: one amongst that young group that you want to see.
Speaker 5: But also Carson number forty one, our draft pick. He
Speaker 5: has been probably one of the more surprising guys coming
Speaker 5: out of camp for and you listen to guys like
Speaker 5: Nick Harris talk about and just rave about him and
Speaker 5: his physicality. I think this is a group of rookies
Speaker 5: that's gonna get thrust into the spotlight pretty fast.
Speaker 2: And so.
Speaker 5: It's enough of hearing about you being whether they used
Speaker 5: to say all Valley Ranch, it's enough of that all Oxnar.
Speaker 5: Now we get an opportunity to see what you could
Speaker 5: do against live competition. And we know in the past
Speaker 5: those joint practices with the rams Man they've gotten heated.
Speaker 5: There have been some brawls, and if you followed the
Speaker 5: NFL closely, all over the NFL guys are brawling in camp.
Speaker 2: So I think the same thing's gonna happen tomorrow.
Speaker 4: I think you hit on a point were said, guys
Speaker 4: are tired of seeing each other. So now it's new too,
Speaker 4: it's new people, it's fresh bodies and that next level
Speaker 4: as you're talking about younger players and players who are
Speaker 4: trying to solidify who they are to let the coaches know, Okay, hey,
Speaker 4: it wasn't just against you know, our guys, I'm doing
Speaker 4: it against another NFL team out here. And Sean McVay
Speaker 4: is one of the better coaches in the National Football
Speaker 4: League and they usually have a very good squad. So yes,
Speaker 4: it will get Chippy go back to Carson the kid
Speaker 4: from Wake Force. Are the Cowboys starting to get to
Speaker 4: the point where they know how to identify corner talent
Speaker 4: like they do offensive Blindman?
Speaker 5: In your opinion, you got to give Will McLay his
Speaker 5: flowers on that because it goes with Deron Bland.
Speaker 2: He goes back further than that, it digs second.
Speaker 5: I'm just saying they have been nailing these picks Lewis,
Speaker 5: Jordan Lewis, They've missed. They got to throw boss Man
Speaker 5: Fat in there too. As much as we say good things,
Speaker 5: we gotta be reminded that that there has been some missus.
Speaker 5: But I'm telling you Carson and I think what he
Speaker 5: brings from a physicality standpoint. In Mike Zimmer's defense, he's
Speaker 5: everything that you've been wanting. On the back half of
Speaker 5: your defense, I hit a nerve, didn't now.
Speaker 2: So the thing on the thing.
Speaker 4: On Kelvin Joseph is basically all teams do this. And
Speaker 4: I remembered when he was taken there were a group
Speaker 4: of folks from Kentucky. They were like, yeah right, They're
Speaker 4: like basically, hey man, you need to go ahead and
Speaker 4: go And one of the things that I've I used
Speaker 4: to tease Danny about because you know, mister Lsu, he
Speaker 4: got mad. It's like, dude, you know what's a problem
Speaker 4: with LSU says you're too hot for Lsu.
Speaker 2: Now Darius guys.
Speaker 4: They have some problem children around when they let Darius
Speaker 4: guys stay with all his stuff. But they told Boston, yeah, man, yeah,
Speaker 4: you're too hot for us. And so then Kentucky takes
Speaker 4: him Kentucky, yeah, you need to go ahead, go ahead,
Speaker 4: hit that draft. By that time, because he was the
Speaker 4: posse kept leading him out of town, calling it a parade.
Speaker 4: So when you got the player, you're two SEC schools, well,
Speaker 4: you know, the old playing SEC. So everybody's cheating, so
Speaker 4: we're gonna let us slide in the SEC. The two
Speaker 4: schools in the SEC. Yeah, man, no, thank you. He
Speaker 4: comes here, same thing. Okay, you question involved in the.
Speaker 5: Shooting everywhere you go there you are.
Speaker 4: Right right, and the police want to question you. You don't
Speaker 4: want to talk to the police. It was just that
Speaker 4: stuff that kept following him, and and for me, Hackma,
Speaker 4: I've always had this saying, read the entire scouting report,
Speaker 4: not just the part you like, Okay, the whole thing. Yes,
Speaker 4: talented players. He had these things that made you say,
Speaker 4: we like the player, but there's this other stuff there
Speaker 4: that was lingering. And to me, I'm one of those
Speaker 4: guys that says, man, I don't want to deal with
Speaker 4: all that.
Speaker 2: At the same time, while the.
Speaker 4: Cowboys get a lot of grief, do you know who's
Speaker 4: got the whole list of problem children off the field
Speaker 4: right about now? The Kansas City Chiefs. Yea, bro, Yeah,
Speaker 4: they just keep it. Guy, just keep finding trouble. But
Speaker 4: Andy Reid likes taking chances. Tyreek Hill is an excellent
Speaker 4: example of that. His off the field issues that he
Speaker 4: had over Oklahoma State and still got drafted fifth round
Speaker 4: and ended up, you know, being a sensational player.
Speaker 2: But he's had some issues off the field that have
Speaker 2: followed him.
Speaker 4: But so when I look at the Cowboys, you took
Speaker 4: a shot, it didn't work out. They moved along, which
Speaker 4: is what in the past. I remember Dwayne Goodrich was here,
Speaker 4: they kept they kept Goodie too long.
Speaker 2: They've moved on.
Speaker 4: And then the other portion of hey, let's use a
Speaker 4: five on it, dron plane and.
Speaker 2: So they've made up for it in those areas.
Speaker 5: And that's in the way that Deron Bland has worked
Speaker 5: out and you have got like Eric Scott that was
Speaker 5: that that's still here and it's like I said, it's
Speaker 5: Will McLay and what he's been able to do.
Speaker 2: Nay Sean Wright as well.
Speaker 5: I mean they have they've nailed some picks and you
Speaker 5: feel really confident about that cornerback room. But Carson, again,
Speaker 5: I just think I love his physicality. I love the
Speaker 5: way this guy plays, the range that he plays with,
Speaker 5: and I think he's going to be one of those
Speaker 5: guys that's gonna.
Speaker 2: Push Jordan jay Lou.
Speaker 5: You know Jay Lou in a one year deal, who
Speaker 5: is still who had a fantastic season last season.
Speaker 4: He had really good camp. But I don't think, and
Speaker 4: this is just me, I don't think he pushes him.
Speaker 4: I just think in a seventeen game season.
Speaker 2: Heck, we just know, yes, you're going to need bodies.
Speaker 2: You're going to need bodies.
Speaker 4: I mean, somebody, somebody somewhere in a game is going
Speaker 4: to get nicked up. It's just the nature of football
Speaker 4: that you need to be loaded at that position. And
Speaker 4: they're loaded, and clearly Jay Lou represents with Jerry wants
Speaker 4: where he's got these guys playing on one year dealer
Speaker 4: man got there sing for the supper, go ahead and get.
Speaker 5: With you, Lou been there before, he'd done that, and
Speaker 5: he has performed and gotten another contract. And you know,
Speaker 5: I just go back to last season, coming coming into camp,
Speaker 5: that was the biggest question whether DRN Bland was going
Speaker 5: to be your nickel corner and Tush and Jay Lou
Speaker 5: and you see how that whole thing expanded with like
Speaker 5: you to your point, guys go down and other guys
Speaker 5: get opportunities. And that's Darn Bland making the most of his.
Speaker 4: So staying on where you're at here talking about these
Speaker 4: corners and young corners. Here the testament that we aren't
Speaker 4: necessarily giving the Cowboys front office right now, nobody is
Speaker 4: talking about Stefan Gilmore, who has a Hall of Fame resume,
Speaker 4: former Defensive Player of the Year, a starter for the
Speaker 4: team last year, who Digs and other players spoke about
Speaker 4: how they were learning from him. They let him go.
Speaker 4: You're not missing him. That you're seeing young guys step
Speaker 4: up and that they have a formula, they know how
Speaker 4: to identify it. That's big when you can I mean,
Speaker 4: I can't say enough of how impressed I was with
Speaker 4: Gilmour last year being at camp watching him work, watching
Speaker 4: the other people see what he does. I mean to mean,
Speaker 4: that's the kind of veteran guy that you want in
Speaker 4: a room. I thought Cooks kind of did the same
Speaker 4: thing on the other side for the receivers room, where
Speaker 4: people could look and say, hey, man, here's a super
Speaker 4: Bowl player. And while Cooks didn't win the Super Bowl
Speaker 4: played in it twice, Gilmore did end up winning a
Speaker 4: super Bowl with the Patriots. The guys can look and say,
Speaker 4: all right, this is what we need to do. And
Speaker 4: I feel like the Cowboys are starting to understand how
Speaker 4: to draft and identify corners the way they do offensive
Speaker 4: lineman and in this league, the lack of depth at
Speaker 4: those two positions, and that they have it monumental.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Stephan Gilmore, I think from the moment that he
Speaker 5: came through the doors, he added that element of validity
Speaker 5: to your defense, a veteran presence, a guy that's been
Speaker 5: their defensive player of the year, all of that Super
Speaker 5: Bowl ring to go with it. I think his status,
Speaker 5: most of those guys have to respect that immediately, and
Speaker 5: I think for the Cowboy Nation Cowboy fans, those are
Speaker 5: the kind of moves that you wanted to see made
Speaker 5: in the off season, bringing in a guy that could
Speaker 5: push a CD lamp, you know, bringing in a guy
Speaker 5: that could push maybe some of these guys in the
Speaker 5: defensive front, push some of these guys in the running
Speaker 5: back room. So look, I you're absolutely correct, because to me,
Speaker 5: his loss, I'm like, how do you replace a guy
Speaker 5: like that? But this front office, this scouting department, has
Speaker 5: done a tremendous job of bringing in young talent to
Speaker 5: now you know, hey, this is the first that I've
Speaker 5: heard of Stephan Gilmour today.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And that was kind of what I was when
Speaker 4: you were going down the list. I was like, how
Speaker 4: about that. We're not missing Gilmore, which I thought was
Speaker 4: going to be an issue at all. And to my doms,
Speaker 4: I don't think he's signed anywhere at all, and so
Speaker 4: maybe he's just waiting on someone to get hurting that
Speaker 4: pop in there and get himself an opportunity. It doesn't
Speaker 4: look like he's going to be back with the Cowboys
Speaker 4: in any capacity. To go back to Marshaw Kneelan, you're
Speaker 4: definitely hoping for a rookie year, but a rookie year
Speaker 4: is a rookie year. There's gonna be some some growing
Speaker 4: pains here. So let's let's make sure we understand that
Speaker 4: about the young man. This is probably the last year
Speaker 4: of Tank Lords.
Speaker 2: That's tough, man.
Speaker 4: No, no, it's not. Because it's the evolution of football. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's the evolution of football. He had four sacks last
Speaker 4: year and he had ten quarterback pressures like we saw
Speaker 4: at Tyron Smith. Thank you. So so I'm looking at Tank.
Speaker 4: There's there's two guys that I think this is gonna
Speaker 4: be the last year for them on this team. Tank
Speaker 4: Lords and Zach Martin. Okay, I just look at these
Speaker 4: players and just say, okay, you know what for what
Speaker 4: they when the Cowboys got them what they were looking
Speaker 4: for them to do.
Speaker 2: Job, well done.
Speaker 4: Okay, these were two solid draft picks who ended up
Speaker 4: signing multiple contracts with your team, playing in Pro Bowls.
Speaker 4: Zach Martin is going to the Pro Football Hall of
Speaker 4: Fame that this was probably their last two seasons. And
Speaker 4: for Tank Lawrence's it's the nature of that position.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 4: You know, when you when you play on the D line,
Speaker 4: your body's just you know, you start playing eight nine years,
Speaker 4: your body's going to get beat up and worn down.
Speaker 2: And you're not the player you used to be. Tank.
Speaker 4: You just saw it last year, not the player used
Speaker 4: to be, which is why they went and got you know,
Speaker 4: Marshawn and.
Speaker 2: Will mcclay's openly talked about him being a little tank.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and so for me, I look at this as
Speaker 4: the last year and oh, by the way, what is it.
Speaker 4: We know they're gonna have to start paying some guys,
Speaker 4: so you're gonna have to look at some high dollar
Speaker 4: players and just say okay, boom here. Zach Martin's openly
Speaker 4: talked about maybe maybe. And so when you start talking
Speaker 4: maybe to me, I gotta look.
Speaker 5: At that it is you're already there. So once you
Speaker 5: open that door.
Speaker 4: So potentially those are two large calories salary cap numbers
Speaker 4: that could come open for you as you're trying to,
Speaker 4: you know, take care of a CD Lamb, take care
Speaker 4: of Dak Prescott, and then you're going to have to
Speaker 4: take care of Michael Parsons. You're gonna have a droning
Speaker 4: that you need to pay. You cannot let dron blank
Speaker 4: and want to do it.
Speaker 2: No, that's not only that.
Speaker 5: I think these are all good problems to have with
Speaker 5: guys that you have to pay that are homegrown talents.
Speaker 5: But when it comes to Tank Lawrence, man, this is
Speaker 5: he's going into his tenth season, and that seemed like
Speaker 5: that went so fast when I think about him as
Speaker 5: a player and his development, and give coach Leon Lett,
Speaker 5: former Cowboy Great, a lot of credit for his development
Speaker 5: of Tank Lawrence early, because they really didn't know how
Speaker 5: to use him initially. At first, he was a little undersized.
Speaker 5: He put on the way sixty three, two sixty five now,
Speaker 5: but it was always playing light and they found a
Speaker 5: way to get him involved. I think Tank is a
Speaker 5: guy that for all intensive purposes last season, he was
Speaker 5: probably the best that we had in stopping the run,
Speaker 5: and teams realized that they had to They really had
Speaker 5: to get blockers a hat on number ninety in order
Speaker 5: to get the running game going. Other guys not so much,
Speaker 5: but Tank is was really consistent in that way.
Speaker 4: As the Cowboys keep moving towards drafting young players that
Speaker 4: have to be paid, you're going to have to look
Speaker 4: at some of the older players on your roster and
Speaker 4: you're going to have to go ahead and let people go.
Speaker 2: This is just the nature of it.
Speaker 4: I go with a Dalton Schultz, who had a really
Speaker 4: good year for the Houston Texans last year as they
Speaker 4: won the division, and he was a great safety blanket
Speaker 4: for CJ.
Speaker 2: Strat who had excellent season. They let him go.
Speaker 4: He gets ten million dollars, and here's Jake Ferguson, And that,
Speaker 4: to me is what the Cowboys really.
Speaker 2: This is the position you're in now.
Speaker 4: As you've drafted players, they become Pro Bowl type players,
Speaker 4: you can't keep all of them, and you're gonna have
Speaker 4: to do that. And so to me, I look at
Speaker 4: Tank Lawrence as one of those next guys there, and
Speaker 4: then I look at you know what they did with
Speaker 4: Marshaan and.
Speaker 2: This this is what you have to do.
Speaker 4: You've got to start to see who are these other
Speaker 4: guys that are that are that are coming along here?
Speaker 4: Because I got other guys I gotta pay. Then I
Speaker 4: think about somebody like George Lewis, depending on what happens
Speaker 4: with them, yes he'll be a free agent.
Speaker 2: But man Nickel corner in this league.
Speaker 4: Matters, yeah it, And so if he's out here and
Speaker 4: he has a really good year, then that's another front
Speaker 4: office decision that you're going to have to sit around
Speaker 4: here and make and say, Okay, what do we do?
Speaker 4: How do we pay him or do we let him go?
Speaker 4: I mean, remember wh Cheto Whosia was here and Byron Jones.
Speaker 4: These are two guys you drafted who became starters and
Speaker 4: you had to make a decision on. They basically paid
Speaker 4: Amari Cooper, therefore you didn't have the money to pay Jones.
Speaker 4: Jones gets the highest paid contract ever in free agency
Speaker 4: for a corner from Miami. Never became the player that
Speaker 4: they wanted him to be. Cheeto ends up going to
Speaker 4: Cincinnati and is a starter on their Super Bowl team.
Speaker 4: This is the nature of what you're doing now when
Speaker 4: you draft very well, and that's that's what's happening, and
Speaker 4: it's going to keep happening here for the Cowboys as
Speaker 4: you got these high ticket price.
Speaker 2: You gotta pay well.
Speaker 5: You know, when you talk about Dalton, Dalton, Schultz and Ferguson,
Speaker 5: I think first of all, you have to see that
Speaker 5: spark from that said player when you make that replacement.
Speaker 5: And that's where I think a guy like Sam Williams
Speaker 5: it was easy to replace maybe a Dorin's Armstrong and
Speaker 5: some of those other names and just go ahead and
Speaker 5: let those guys walk because you recognize as to your
Speaker 5: point that you have a young guy coming behind him
Speaker 5: that could be better as far as the the as
Speaker 5: far as the value that you place on a nickel corner,
Speaker 5: like what Jordan Lewis does is a specific skill set
Speaker 5: that not a lot of guys in the NFL have,
Speaker 5: and that's why he has that value and it's always
Speaker 5: been able to stick. He's going, He'll have plenty of
Speaker 5: opportunities if not here, of course, you know, because of
Speaker 5: what he does and how competitive he is. But you're right,
Speaker 5: I mean, this is a very this is a very
Speaker 5: young roster. They're bringing in guys that can play right now,
Speaker 5: and these joint practices in this preseason is very important
Speaker 5: for a lot of these guys.
Speaker 4: Man, when I think about just the nickel players in
Speaker 4: this league, and just go to your division. Regardless of
Speaker 4: the former former right over the Dallas Morning News Hall
Speaker 4: of Famer spoke, you used to tell me say, now
Speaker 4: you've got to figure out how do you win your division?
Speaker 6: First?
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you start thinking about some of the slot
Speaker 4: type receivers and receivers in this division. Philly Washington Giants
Speaker 4: have gone out here.
Speaker 2: It's tough. He's got some guys. Right, So you've got players.
Speaker 2: You've got players here.
Speaker 4: The quarterback questions in Washington, in New York are they're
Speaker 4: not so in Philadelphia. But yeah, man, you got to
Speaker 4: have a guy like Jordan Lewis and who's coming up
Speaker 4: behind him? Because you know, Jordan gets hurt in the game, said, hamstrings, tweaks, ankles,
Speaker 4: things happen. Who's ready to go? So back to the
Speaker 4: point we're making here at the top the Cowboys scene
Speaker 4: to understand how to draft corner now the way they
Speaker 4: have offensive linemen, and we know when it comes to
Speaker 4: the Cowboys drafting offensive lineman, they are drafting Pro Bowl,
Speaker 4: All Pro lineman. And you look at Zach Martin, you
Speaker 4: look at Tyron Smith. These are guys with Hall of
Speaker 4: Fame resumes. All right, man, let's get our first break
Speaker 4: in here, a whole lot to get to one player
Speaker 4: that we didn't talk about as a young guy having
Speaker 4: a really good camp. I'm very anxious to see what
Speaker 4: he can do tomorrow. I'll tell you who that is next.
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Speaker 4: We're in the SWBC podcast studio here. Practice going on
Speaker 4: out at Oxnard, California. This week they will play the
Speaker 4: Rams in the preseason game. But your best action is
Speaker 4: going to be tomorrow when they have the joint practice.
Speaker 4: And you wanted to talk about the young guys showing
Speaker 4: off in camp and to me, so much for me
Speaker 4: that I'm looking at is brock Hoffman Center, and at
Speaker 4: this point time it looks as though it's his job
Speaker 4: to lose. We had Nate Newton Monday on the Players
Speaker 4: Une podcast, and Nate's been out there three time Super
Speaker 4: Bowl champions, Like, yeah, man, it's him.
Speaker 2: Cooper BB is a kid they took out of.
Speaker 4: Kansas State and a lot of us assumed the former
Speaker 4: All American would be the starting center. And they talked
Speaker 4: about putting me out there, and Nate just said he's
Speaker 4: not there yet. Meanwhile, brock Hoffman doing what any young
Speaker 4: players should do to say, Hey, I've been here, I
Speaker 4: know the system I've played. I'm gonna do everything I
Speaker 4: can to make sure I make it hard on them
Speaker 4: to not give me the job. Give the young man
Speaker 4: the credit, went to the weight room, did his job,
Speaker 4: didn't make any noise, just did the work. I have
Speaker 4: a lot of respect for that, and I want to
Speaker 4: see exactly what he could do against the Rams.
Speaker 2: Who Oh, by the way, no, Aaron Donald, come on everybody.
Speaker 4: You know if I if I'm a fellow defensive time,
Speaker 4: I mean offensive line, I in this.
Speaker 2: Man all kinds of food.
Speaker 4: Tiff treats, yes like keep him fat like and they
Speaker 4: don't even think about coming back because you know you
Speaker 4: can see the Rams.
Speaker 2: Hey, we're in the playoff, Come on right, come on
Speaker 2: back now.
Speaker 4: I would try to keep him as fat as possibly,
Speaker 4: but he's out of shape that he can't think about
Speaker 4: coming back this year.
Speaker 2: Next year.
Speaker 5: I saw him on the on the podcast and he
Speaker 5: still looked like.
Speaker 2: He could go today. Don't let him get that answer, Tequila.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: I could to make sure this man is not ready
Speaker 4: to come back, because the Rams are the kind of
Speaker 4: organization that would pick up the phone week nine and ten,
Speaker 4: we need you, hey man, what do you need to
Speaker 4: come on back.
Speaker 5: Yeah, this is the thing about brock k Hoffman, and
Speaker 5: I think there's so many there's so many questions yet
Speaker 5: to be answered about this offensive line because I think
Speaker 5: coming from last season to this season, the running game
Speaker 5: is so much of a concern that you're telling yourself
Speaker 5: that the onus. You're putting it on the head of
Speaker 5: this offensive line and saying you, guys have to be better.
Speaker 5: You have to be better, you have to be able,
Speaker 5: you have to open up these passing lanes because it
Speaker 5: was none existent at certain points of the season last year.
Speaker 5: So look, brock Hoffman has a lot of responsibility, but
Speaker 5: he is the guy that's maximizing the opportunity that's in
Speaker 5: front of him. A lot of times, especially when you
Speaker 5: talk to guys like Barret Church, they'll tell you like, look,
Speaker 5: guy's drafted high like that, it's almost guaranteed that he's
Speaker 5: going to be the starter day one.
Speaker 2: Look at what you're dealing with right now. How to left.
Speaker 5: Tackle with Tyler Goyden Geiden, who they're trying to make
Speaker 5: him ready, but they're not gonna thrust him out there
Speaker 5: if he's not right. They're gonna do every truma DOGA
Speaker 5: maybe in a position to win a starting job if
Speaker 5: it is just he's leaps and bounds better than Tyler Geiden.
Speaker 5: But Hoffman Man again, he is wedged in between two
Speaker 5: really good offensive guards, and I think if he can
Speaker 5: maintain that and the communication and set up be the
Speaker 5: brain basically of this offensive line, I don't see him
Speaker 5: losing this job. And right now, Babe, just look man
Speaker 5: with the install he just has to do the best
Speaker 5: he can with the reps that he's getting.
Speaker 4: When Nate spoke about some of the snaps being an issue,
Speaker 4: that right there alone told me, Okay, yeah.
Speaker 2: You can't.
Speaker 4: You can't risk it. It's the most elementary thing you do.
Speaker 4: But it's right, hike the football. But what we know,
Speaker 4: when it goes wrong, it goes wrong. And teams defenses
Speaker 4: are too good that if a snap is a little
Speaker 4: too low to the right or the left, or or
Speaker 4: you know, if you go that goes up under center
Speaker 4: and it's not hitting properly.
Speaker 2: Man, that's a problem.
Speaker 4: And for a guy like McCarthy who's now running the
Speaker 4: system for a second year. That Hoffman knows it and
Speaker 4: is able to call out blocking protections and it's not
Speaker 4: have to think that. That's so much a big part
Speaker 4: of this thing, man, When you're playing center is the
Speaker 4: thinking part of it. When you don't have to do it,
Speaker 4: it's natural. And as you said, you got Zach on
Speaker 4: the right, you got Tyler on the left, and you
Speaker 4: know how to make the calls, how to make your
Speaker 4: combo blocks. That's big time. And so far brock Hoffmann
Speaker 4: is he's making it. He's not even letting it be
Speaker 4: a battle. And that's why when I say tomorrow against
Speaker 4: the Rams, that's what.
Speaker 2: I want to see. Can you continue it? Okay?
Speaker 4: I don't need you. You can't be all ox SNAr baby.
Speaker 4: I need you to be ready to go against the Rams.
Speaker 4: He will be your starter out there the preseason game.
Speaker 4: Can you go ahead and command and do what you
Speaker 4: need to do? Center? Is so tough because I go
Speaker 4: back into this, Heckman, we talked about it all day long.
Speaker 4: The fronts you are facing, Yeah, not just in this division,
Speaker 4: but overall. When you start talking about your first game
Speaker 4: at Cleveland, then you get the Saints, then you host
Speaker 4: the Ravens, then you're at the Giants, and then you
Speaker 4: are at the Pittsburgh Steels.
Speaker 2: This is some front city. And if your center is weak, yeah,
Speaker 2: oh baby. And this is two weeks in a row.
Speaker 5: And I mean the Saints may be a lot of things,
Speaker 5: but what they are is always good on defense. They
Speaker 5: are gonna pack the defense and they're gonna come you know,
Speaker 5: They're going to come into at T with that defense.
Speaker 5: And look, brock Hoffman is doing a great job. We
Speaker 5: saw him last season come in and just a fill
Speaker 5: in role and show basically what he can do. I
Speaker 5: feel confident, you know, that's one of those positions. After
Speaker 5: we let go or let our center walk last season,
Speaker 5: I was like, Okay, well who's going to fill in?
Speaker 5: I think you feel more comfortable with brock Hoffman assuming
Speaker 5: that role, but I'm with you, he still has to
Speaker 5: prove it.
Speaker 2: I never had an issue letting Tyler beyand you know what,
Speaker 2: for who for what? Was my thing. It was like,
Speaker 2: for who for what?
Speaker 5: Because we didn't have that bona fide guy, and it
Speaker 5: seemed to me like he had Beyondashid started to work
Speaker 5: his way into that that starting role. I think initially
Speaker 5: like he was weak, he didn't have the strength that
Speaker 5: you wanted from the center. But I mean as it's
Speaker 5: the season started to go along, you started to play
Speaker 5: some value in him. Hey, the organization didn't and they
Speaker 5: went younger. They went with some younger guys, and brock
Speaker 5: Hoffman has the opportunity.
Speaker 4: I'll push back on you this from this standpoint, I
Speaker 4: don't think that they didn't value them. I think they said, look,
Speaker 4: we'll pay it, we won't overpay it. And the agent
Speaker 4: for the player and I go back to Dalton Schultz,
Speaker 4: I felt the same way, the same way, I'll pay it,
Speaker 4: but I'm not going to overpay it because you're a
Speaker 4: good player. You're not great, you're good. Dalton Schultz wanted
Speaker 4: great money. You wanted David and Joku money. And it
Speaker 4: was like, hey, I'm sorry that Cleveland's out here paying
Speaker 4: dav Joku and Sean Watson these crazy numbers.
Speaker 2: We're not doing that. And they were right to not
Speaker 2: do it.
Speaker 4: And what Dalton Schultz ended up finding out that basically
Speaker 4: the money you said no to from the Cowboys is
Speaker 4: what you said yes to Houston. You should have stayed here,
Speaker 4: and I look at Tyler b Os like, is this
Speaker 4: a ten million dollar a year cinner? No, No, not
Speaker 4: when I can go draft and develop in a league
Speaker 4: where where I know my personnel staff understand enlightenment.
Speaker 5: Hardest part for a lot of these guys is to
Speaker 5: know exactly what their value is and so, and they
Speaker 5: don't know if it'll work unless you go for it right.
Speaker 5: It's just like, hey, if you don't shoot your shot,
Speaker 5: you'll never get it right.
Speaker 2: That's just the way. That is the way that it works.
Speaker 5: And I think even when you go back to the
Speaker 5: Shultz analogy, Schultz had the mindset of somebody that wants
Speaker 5: to bet on himself. And so when he got tagged
Speaker 5: for that one year and it was a proven deal
Speaker 5: and thought he was going to re up for more,
Speaker 5: he ends up getting hurt.
Speaker 2: He gets hurt.
Speaker 5: And then, oh, by the way, Jake Ferguson raises the
Speaker 5: antenna and obrow of everyone, because then you see this
Speaker 5: young guy who's fast, elusive. Maybe not all the pieces,
Speaker 5: meaning being a blocker and all those things, but you
Speaker 5: see that Jake Ferguson could fill that role and feel
Speaker 5: it well, because right now he is starting to look
Speaker 5: like one of the premiere tight ends in the league.
Speaker 2: Back Marrison. I go back.
Speaker 4: Even when they tagged him, they were trying to work
Speaker 4: out a deal, he got it off. I talked to
Speaker 4: someone who's a part of the negotiations and they said, look.
Speaker 2: We made an offer.
Speaker 4: It was a good offer, but you know his he
Speaker 4: and the agent are looking like a joku money And
Speaker 4: Travis Kelsey went, no, no, you're you're a good player,
Speaker 4: but you want great money. We're not doing that, not
Speaker 4: not here. And as you said, we we got Ferguson
Speaker 4: and hinder Shot.
Speaker 2: We can We'll go here and figure it out. And then,
Speaker 2: of course what they do.
Speaker 4: They drafted Schoonmaker, so they just said, well, we we
Speaker 4: feel like we know how to draft you because they
Speaker 4: drafted Schultz. Okay, we've done it with you, let's do
Speaker 4: it again. They did do it again with with Ferguson.
Speaker 4: So if you think about it, well, Hendershot to not
Speaker 4: have the season we thought he would. Schoonmaker was supposed
Speaker 4: to be able to come in here and block be
Speaker 4: a point of attack guy. That didn't happen. Now both
Speaker 4: guys are coming back. Hendershot is making some plays of camp.
Speaker 4: So this is another guy where you're talking about the
Speaker 4: going against the Rams twice this week is going to
Speaker 4: matter hinder Shot Schoonmaker and then John Stevens, who's bigger,
Speaker 4: This is gonna be his opportunity as well. But I
Speaker 4: go back to Okay, the Cowboys clearly know how to
Speaker 4: draft offensive line, they know how to draft corners. They
Speaker 4: know I'd picked tight ends and lound Wells is one
Speaker 4: of the better tight end coaches here. They've learned how
Speaker 4: to develop guys. So if I've got to pay Micah
Speaker 4: and dak in CD Lamb, I've got to figure out
Speaker 4: how I can get my coaches to take the talent
Speaker 4: Will mcclay's giving me, make it productive and put it
Speaker 4: on the field. That's where brock Hoffman comes in here.
Speaker 4: That's where Schoonmaker's got to come and do his part.
Speaker 2: To me.
Speaker 4: That's one of That's one of the guys that I'm
Speaker 4: really looking at to say, hey, man, you need to
Speaker 4: step up due these Michigan dudes.
Speaker 2: Outside of Georgia. Hey don't put that. I'll put that
Speaker 2: on Michigan man. These Michigan dudes, you and my city.
Speaker 4: I mean, think heckma first round pick on Massie, second
Speaker 4: round pick on Luke Schoolmaker. Right now, we're sitting here
Speaker 4: wondering what, why, what are you gonna give me? That's
Speaker 4: these their question marks, and it's up to them. Those players.
Speaker 4: They need to answer it because this team needs them.
Speaker 4: If Luke Schoonmaker can block as they tight end, it's
Speaker 4: going to help them. You can run two tight end sets,
Speaker 4: you can run twelve personnel. They need him to do
Speaker 4: his part. Monzie Smith the Cowboys, you look at you
Speaker 4: know five games that they lost last year where teams
Speaker 4: are gashing and running the football. You have to help
Speaker 4: this team if they want to do anything close to
Speaker 4: last year. If you want to win ten games this year,
Speaker 4: these two Michigan guys are going to have to be
Speaker 4: a part of They're going to have to make contributions.
Speaker 5: Now, I al will say it like this. I think,
Speaker 5: and I was a big time Dalton Schultz fan. I
Speaker 5: liked him a lot. I didn't like him at the
Speaker 5: number that he liked himself at. But at the same time,
Speaker 5: I think with the way that this front office has
Speaker 5: been drafting and bringing in guys that can fill that
Speaker 5: role but also be superstars, you have to trust Will
Speaker 5: McLay and staff to be able to bring in the
Speaker 5: talent that you need. But Jake Ferguson, I mean, he
Speaker 5: really is looking like a unicorn in that room when
Speaker 5: you start looking at pass catching, when it comes down
Speaker 5: to hender shot. It really has a bigger question mark
Speaker 5: for me with Peyton Hendershot because I thought that looking
Speaker 5: at those two guys in their rookie season, they looked
Speaker 5: like one A, one B because they were.
Speaker 2: Right right, just the way that they just the way
Speaker 2: that they operated.
Speaker 5: But for some reason, Jake Ferguson took the next step
Speaker 5: and just took off all on his own. And now
Speaker 5: you see with Peyton Hendershot, Look, there's been some inconsistency
Speaker 5: with him being able to stay on the field those
Speaker 5: Now I mean, obviously guys are going to get injured,
Speaker 5: but just his inability to be on the field.
Speaker 2: And oh, by the.
Speaker 5: Way, you spend that draft pick on the scoonmaker who
Speaker 5: man starting to look funny in the light in certain
Speaker 5: instances because not.
Speaker 2: Being able to catch the ball.
Speaker 5: I just go, I don't was it one of those
Speaker 5: games where he just couldn't get into that.
Speaker 2: I believe it was the Philly It was one of
Speaker 2: the games.
Speaker 5: That he couldn't get into, didn't get over the goal line,
Speaker 5: couldn't get to the goal line, get over the goal line,
Speaker 5: and you just ask those questions about guy's toughness. But
Speaker 5: to me, when I go back, when I look at
Speaker 5: a guy like Jake Ferguson, he really is the X
Speaker 5: factor for me as as that second wide.
Speaker 2: Receiver that you're looking for.
Speaker 5: He to me is starting to look like the Kelsey,
Speaker 5: the Kittle guys like that, who's next. No, no, no, no, absolutely,
Speaker 5: I mean because you see where especially now when you
Speaker 5: talk about where Hoffman is with just using his muscle memory,
Speaker 5: with understanding the assignments and the protection. I think Jake Ferguson,
Speaker 5: with his second year in McCarthy's offense, is also going
Speaker 5: to be better when you go back to Mike McCarthy's
Speaker 5: Lenny as a coach, some of the tight ends that
Speaker 5: he's had and so look, I just feel like a
Speaker 5: guy like that Jake Ferguson can be that second receiver.
Speaker 5: I know right now with CD's unsigned and we're looking
Speaker 5: for that second guy, I think Jake Ferguson, you got
Speaker 5: him right now on your roster.
Speaker 4: He definitely has a role. Tight end is always going
Speaker 4: to have a role in a Mike McCarthy offense. Here,
Speaker 4: I know that Mike McCarthy really likes Sam Laporter.
Speaker 5: You don't believe in Jake Ferguson like that? Did I
Speaker 5: want to say, I don't believe in him? When I
Speaker 5: when I said, when I said, those two elite guys,
Speaker 5: you don't know, you don't see you don't see him
Speaker 5: adding up to being that kind of of tight end.
Speaker 2: So when I one thing about Kittle is his ability
Speaker 2: to block. Yeah, he's destructive, Okay, so.
Speaker 4: We're talking about it. To me, a complete tight end.
Speaker 4: He can catch it, he can block, like this is
Speaker 4: the guy, especially for a team that they run the
Speaker 4: ball there, so you've got to be a point of
Speaker 4: attack guy. So to me, Kittle is right here in
Speaker 4: a separate category Kelsey. The numbers that you know he's
Speaker 4: got these these Hall of Fame type numbers he's putting up.
Speaker 4: He's a pass catcher, he's not a blocker. So these
Speaker 4: two guys, to me, they're they're elite right there. But
Speaker 4: let's put him over here. It's like when we start
Speaker 4: talking about quarterbacks.
Speaker 5: Patrick Mahons, you set him aside by himself and don't
Speaker 5: put anybody just.
Speaker 2: Like these guys. You put him right over here.
Speaker 4: Okay, that that's a category that over here, and you
Speaker 4: guys haven't you haven't even made an all pro thing
Speaker 4: yet to put yourself there yet. As far as and
Speaker 4: that Sam said to me, Sam Laporta has that type
Speaker 4: of ability to be the next Kittle. Oh, by the way,
Speaker 4: the Iowa guys, Jake has got to become to me,
Speaker 4: when you are to an elite, you got to be
Speaker 4: able to block. That's not what he does yet. Far
Speaker 4: as pass catching, he's shown you he can catch passes,
Speaker 4: that he's a dependable player. He's doing that. But I
Speaker 4: just think there's another level to get to, and I'm
Speaker 4: not ready to put him over there.
Speaker 2: I got to see him be able to block and
Speaker 2: show me a little bit more. Laporta last year, boy
Speaker 2: he was. He was for a rookie.
Speaker 4: What Mike McCarthy liked about him. So let's just didn't
Speaker 4: happen this way. But let's say they were laport at
Speaker 4: one and then decided to go get another big defensive
Speaker 4: tackle in round two. Boy boy, he take Cooking, you
Speaker 4: take you take Laporta and Ferguson and you run into
Speaker 4: twelve personnel and stupid.
Speaker 2: Yeah, now that's that's legit. But what okay, there you
Speaker 2: go with the Cooks and a CD Lamb.
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, this this is reminiscent of Aaron Hernandez
Speaker 4: and Gronk and New England. Of who you're covering, somebody's
Speaker 4: gonna get you. If Hindershot can keep making advances, if
Speaker 4: schoonmaker can block and make advances, they can help.
Speaker 2: They can help.
Speaker 4: But right now, and I see what the vision you
Speaker 4: have for that's what I say, heck by, see the
Speaker 4: vision you have.
Speaker 2: I just got to see the actions back it up.
Speaker 5: So and and what I see from Jake Ferguson literally
Speaker 5: is when you talk about a wide receiver like Ceedee
Speaker 5: Lamb who came on the scene and a lot of
Speaker 5: defensive coordinators didn't respect him properly and left him sing
Speaker 5: single covered all right? This year, he's not gonna have that,
Speaker 5: all right. He's gonna be double covered. And there are
Speaker 5: there's gonna be a lot of guys and open. I
Speaker 5: think the Cooks invites that, all right, your third wide
Speaker 5: receiver in Tobert, he invites that. But who can haul
Speaker 5: the middle of the field like a good tight end can?
Speaker 5: And I think Jake Ferguson is the guy that's going
Speaker 5: to be the air apparent there because defenses cannot rely
Speaker 5: on putting a linebacker. If you put to me, if
Speaker 5: you put a linebacker on Jake Ferguson, that's a win
Speaker 5: each and every time. And that's where I'm saying that
Speaker 5: if he wants to make that step into the next level,
Speaker 5: because there is a step up that he has to take. Agree,
Speaker 5: all right, But I believe as a player, what I've
Speaker 5: seen him do in this offense, I think it's almost
Speaker 5: inevitable that he gets there.
Speaker 4: The offense gives him the ability to become a Pro
Speaker 4: Bowl player, and in year three he could definitely have
Speaker 4: the opportunity to do it. Let's get one more break
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Speaker 4: a regular season level right now. Let's tell you who
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Speaker 4: Hit him straight, Baby, hit him straight. Micah Parsons is in.
Speaker 4: He's where he needs to be. He's he's where.
Speaker 2: He needs to be.
Speaker 4: Good luck to the Rams tomorrow as they try to
Speaker 4: black block Michael Parsons because it's been a challenge for
Speaker 4: the Cowboys. So you raised the question, Heck Maharrison, is
Speaker 4: this the defensive player of the year.
Speaker 2: It has to be. It has to be.
Speaker 5: And I say that because of the Green Bay game.
Speaker 2: Let me tell you this.
Speaker 5: After the Green Bay game, what was startling to me
Speaker 5: is the amount of people that walked out of the
Speaker 5: exit on Michael Parsons basically saying, hey, this guy is
Speaker 5: a one trick pony and all the pressures, all of
Speaker 5: that concerning. But but in the big moments, Micah seems
Speaker 5: to shrink and had I it's like reading a book,
Speaker 5: me and you reading a book. And coming away with
Speaker 5: two different themes on what we just read.
Speaker 2: And you were.
Speaker 5: Criticism was fair, the criticism was and you know what
Speaker 5: what I what I say to those people when I
Speaker 5: look at a player like Michael Parsons, who is special, No,
Speaker 5: he's not your run of the mill, not your average,
Speaker 5: a guy that has had forty one sacks in three seasons.
Speaker 5: And O, by the way, when you start looking at
Speaker 5: his sack percentages and totals and pressures and all of that,
Speaker 5: there are only four players to have the kind of
Speaker 5: season that he's had in three seasons, and three of
Speaker 5: those guys have Hall of Fame, have yellowjackets.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 5: And I think under Mike Zimmer, I think Mike Zimmer
Speaker 5: is going to be the coach that really unlocks his
Speaker 5: full potential because what we're seeing now in Oxnard not
Speaker 5: only just staying in one place, moving him around, allowing
Speaker 5: him to be that guy that doesn't be that that's
Speaker 5: not going to be in one place.
Speaker 8: Right.
Speaker 5: He did that, but a lot of times when Dan
Speaker 5: was stuck in the rut, what did he do? He
Speaker 5: stuck Micah on one side of the ball, okay, and
Speaker 5: then after that he didn't have an answer once offenses
Speaker 5: took Micah out of it. Now, we don't put any honest,
Speaker 5: we don't put any of the responsibility on the other
Speaker 5: ten guys and say, look, where were you when this
Speaker 5: offense was running three guys in double team because he's
Speaker 5: the most double team defensive player in the league, or
Speaker 5: the rest of your guys. But I think when you
Speaker 5: have a weapon like that and you can maneuver and
Speaker 5: move him around, and don't just make him a one
Speaker 5: trick ponent, don't just a gap blitz, not just the
Speaker 5: five off the outside. What else can you do with
Speaker 5: Michael to make him effective? And I think those are
Speaker 5: the things that you're going to see this season. And
Speaker 5: I'm not selling Hopium because you got that Hopium look
Speaker 5: on your face. I'm not telling you that Ebneze Echabon
Speaker 5: is going to be the defensive player of the year.
Speaker 5: I'm telling you I was just thinking of a random.
Speaker 2: Hey, Eboneze, I love you, and I love you.
Speaker 5: I'm just saying I'm not I'm selling you on a
Speaker 5: guy that you already know is like that. Okay, So
Speaker 5: convincing yourself that Michael Parsons isn't the player that he is.
Speaker 5: I think, man, to all of those puns that everybody
Speaker 5: that feels like that number eleven, number eleven is him
Speaker 5: and has been showing you season after season how special
Speaker 5: he is. And this has to be for me the
Speaker 5: defensive Player of the Year for the twenty twenty four
Speaker 5: Dallas Cowboys season.
Speaker 2: Miles Garrett may have something the same about it. Of
Speaker 2: course t J. Watt does too. There's a lot of guys.
Speaker 4: They will, oh absolutely was the first six game, five
Speaker 4: six games of the year of they will there.
Speaker 2: They'll be there to show their wars against each other.
Speaker 4: Look, Micah Parsons deserves his fair share of the embarrassing
Speaker 4: loss to Green Bay as much as Dak Prescott and
Speaker 4: Cede Limb and you guys want big contracts, they're the
Speaker 4: fans have the right to expect you to produce because
Speaker 4: that is what you have to do.
Speaker 2: I'm going to go to a different sport.
Speaker 4: And what I just witnessed back in June at the
Speaker 4: NBA Finals where Jason Tatum and Jlen Brown who had
Speaker 4: played in the finals two years before and very humbled
Speaker 4: by the Golden State Warriors, and the next year they
Speaker 4: didn't have they didn't get back to the finals, and
Speaker 4: then they got here again and they produced at an
Speaker 4: outstanding clip with Jalen Brown being the finals MVP. He
Speaker 4: had excellent Eastern Conference finals as well. These are two
Speaker 4: guys playing for historic franchise, dealt with the criticism and
Speaker 4: being young. They just kept working and it got there.
Speaker 4: And to me, I look at Michael Parsons in such
Speaker 4: the same fashion. It's part of being young, part of learning,
Speaker 4: doing a lot of talking, not getting it done, and
Speaker 4: people shine the light on you.
Speaker 2: What are you going to do so far?
Speaker 4: His response at camp is lost ten pounds. I'm out
Speaker 4: here going crazy.
Speaker 2: Great.
Speaker 4: That's what you want to see. That's a part of
Speaker 4: the growth you'd like to see from a player that
Speaker 4: you feel is a difference maker. There's a lot of
Speaker 4: good players and a lot of difference makers. Michael Parsons
Speaker 4: is a difference maker. I need you to start making
Speaker 4: a difference in playoff games. Ceedee Lamb, I need you
Speaker 4: to make a difference in playoff games. Dak Prescott, I
Speaker 4: need you to make a difference in playoff games because
Speaker 4: if you do, they can go where they want to go.
Speaker 4: If they don't, they won't going back to the finals.
Speaker 4: What did I see from Kyrie Irving. He wasn't a
Speaker 4: difference maker out there, and what happened. You got yourself
Speaker 4: sent home in five games, real quick, Luca Dacich, same thing.
Speaker 4: You weren't producing at the level you needed to in
Speaker 4: the finals. It's a part of the growing process for
Speaker 4: young people. Kyrie's already got a ring. But that's my
Speaker 4: thing is this is he This ain't the end.
Speaker 2: Of the world. I don't look at it.
Speaker 4: I'm like, gosh, we hate my No, no, dude, this
Speaker 4: is a part of that thing, man, and you got
Speaker 4: to get better from it.
Speaker 5: I love the basketball analogy because you know, the greatest
Speaker 5: player that ever played the game, Michael Michael Jordan. Uh,
Speaker 5: go back to those those Knicks battles when the Knicks
Speaker 5: were able to sparks and guys like that were able
Speaker 5: to double team and shut Mike down. He needed to
Speaker 5: get help starts starting. But this is what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: They were able to take him out of his game.
Speaker 5: He didn't have any he didn't have a guy with
Speaker 5: him at the time.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: No, it wasn't always Jordan and Pipping walking into Madison
Speaker 5: Square Garden beating down the Knicks. What I'm saying is
Speaker 5: they he had to get that help to get over
Speaker 5: the hump.
Speaker 2: And even when you.
Speaker 5: Have all the greatest plans that you possibly can, Mike
Speaker 5: is just Mike. That's what Mike is just Mike. And
Speaker 5: how many times did those guys leave out of there
Speaker 5: upset because no matter what you threw at him, he
Speaker 5: still was him and he was able to put his
Speaker 5: cape on and win some games. I'm saying the same
Speaker 5: thing about Michaeh. Look it's on you. I hear cowboy fans,
Speaker 5: I hear people saying, look like it's musical chairs for
Speaker 5: these contracts, Oh you sign Dak, you sign CD Who's
Speaker 5: gonna be the odd man out man? To even consider
Speaker 5: or even think about like that, to me, it is asinine,
Speaker 5: like you gotta get number eleven signed to a long
Speaker 5: term deal. It's not even I mean, you don't even
Speaker 5: think about it. If you don't even think about his
Speaker 5: worth and whether he's worth the contract or not. He
Speaker 5: is definitely worth it. And so when you bring up
Speaker 5: guys in the NBA that have that's wilted in those moments,
Speaker 5: I don't look at him the same way. I don't say, oh,
Speaker 5: he's shrunk in that moment. I think you needed other
Speaker 5: guys to step up. And that's why I make the
Speaker 5: analogy of the comparison between Mike Jordan and the Knicks.
Speaker 2: Aden Hutchinson has more career playoffs sacks and Michael Parsons. Man,
Speaker 2: that man got this man all right? So you called
Speaker 2: him Aiden Hutchinson.
Speaker 4: I'm just saying Aiden Hudginson was getting to the quarterback.
Speaker 4: Michael Parsons hasn't gotten to the quarterback the way Aiden
Speaker 4: Hutchinson has. Look at the end of the day, you
Speaker 4: need your you need the stars to be stars.
Speaker 2: Don't move the gold post.
Speaker 4: He was not a star against Green Bay. Dak Prescott
Speaker 4: was not a star against Green Bay. Ced Land wasn't
Speaker 4: a starga. Which is why, which is one reason why
Speaker 4: you went home.
Speaker 2: If you're going to win, your stars got to be stars.
Speaker 2: I just saw in the finals. What did I see?
Speaker 4: I saw the stars be stars. And when the other
Speaker 4: team stars weren't stars, you go home and lose. That
Speaker 4: is a part of it. There's nothing wrong with sitting
Speaker 4: here pointing the fingers said, man, you didn't get it done.
Speaker 4: It's your opportunity to go back get it done. Kobe
Speaker 4: shot three air balls against Utah. They went home. Kobe
Speaker 4: went home and worked on his game, and he said,
Speaker 4: you know what, I'll never have that happen again. I
Speaker 4: understand where I need to have my legs in April.
Speaker 4: I will make sure my legs are in April, and
Speaker 4: that won't happen again. Michael Parson's losing ten pounds showing
Speaker 4: up the camp. To me, that's that mamba mentality. Okay,
Speaker 4: that happened at against Green Bay. I won't want to
Speaker 4: happen again. All I know is Ad and Hutcheson fact
Speaker 4: has more playoff sacks than Michael Parson's. I didn't think
Speaker 4: I did. When I went and do the research, I
Speaker 4: was surprised. That's our show today, Harrison. We'll continue the
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