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Speaker 4: will roll with you talking Cowboys for the next forty

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Speaker 2: We're here at the Star Frisco.

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Speaker 4: Of course, the team is out in Oxnar, California, at

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Speaker 4: training camp. Tomorrow is a joint practice with the Los

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Speaker 4: Angeles Rams, so they got one more.

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Speaker 2: Day to get ready for that.

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Speaker 4: This is a good time to see players because a

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Speaker 4: Zeke Kelly is not playing in the preseason game, so

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Speaker 4: this work in the joint practices is really the work

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Speaker 4: that We're going to see the starters here and also

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Speaker 4: hack the opportunity to see some of these young guys

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Speaker 4: that can look good against your guys, how do you

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Speaker 4: look against Sean mcvays boys, Who are some players that

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Speaker 4: you're looking at.

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Speaker 5: That you want to see, you know, I think one,

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Speaker 5: I'm sure all of these guys are looking forward to

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Speaker 5: the opportunity to come up against different oppositions. They're probably

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Speaker 5: tired running into each other. But these young guys, I mean,

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Speaker 5: we have a young linebacker group that I think a

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Speaker 5: guy like Maurice lea foul out of Notre Dame, is

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Speaker 5: showing the coaches that he could be a centerpiece on

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Speaker 5: this defense. His versatility, a guy that can play at

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Speaker 5: the line of scrimmage, a guy that can also play

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Speaker 5: off ball that really does free up a player like

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Speaker 5: Michael Parsons. You also have excuse me, Marshaun Kneeling, our

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Speaker 5: draft picked. There is another guy that is showing promise

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Speaker 5: you on him to show give you even more because

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Speaker 5: of Sam Williams going down. So I think he's another

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Speaker 5: one amongst that young group that you want to see.

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Speaker 5: But also Carson number forty one, our draft pick. He

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Speaker 5: has been probably one of the more surprising guys coming

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Speaker 5: out of camp for and you listen to guys like

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Speaker 5: Nick Harris talk about and just rave about him and

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Speaker 5: his physicality. I think this is a group of rookies

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Speaker 5: that's gonna get thrust into the spotlight pretty fast.

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Speaker 2: And so.

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Speaker 5: It's enough of hearing about you being whether they used

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Speaker 5: to say all Valley Ranch, it's enough of that all Oxnar.

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Speaker 5: Now we get an opportunity to see what you could

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Speaker 5: do against live competition. And we know in the past

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Speaker 5: those joint practices with the rams Man they've gotten heated.

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Speaker 5: There have been some brawls, and if you followed the

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Speaker 5: NFL closely, all over the NFL guys are brawling in camp.

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Speaker 2: So I think the same thing's gonna happen tomorrow.

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Speaker 4: I think you hit on a point were said, guys

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Speaker 4: are tired of seeing each other. So now it's new too,

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Speaker 4: it's new people, it's fresh bodies and that next level

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Speaker 4: as you're talking about younger players and players who are

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Speaker 4: trying to solidify who they are to let the coaches know, Okay, hey,

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Speaker 4: it wasn't just against you know, our guys, I'm doing

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Speaker 4: it against another NFL team out here. And Sean McVay

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Speaker 4: is one of the better coaches in the National Football

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Speaker 4: League and they usually have a very good squad. So yes,

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Speaker 4: it will get Chippy go back to Carson the kid

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Speaker 4: from Wake Force. Are the Cowboys starting to get to

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Speaker 4: the point where they know how to identify corner talent

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Speaker 4: like they do offensive Blindman?

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Speaker 5: In your opinion, you got to give Will McLay his

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Speaker 5: flowers on that because it goes with Deron Bland.

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Speaker 2: He goes back further than that, it digs second.

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Speaker 5: I'm just saying they have been nailing these picks Lewis,

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Speaker 5: Fat in there too. As much as we say good things,

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Speaker 5: we gotta be reminded that that there has been some missus.

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Speaker 5: But I'm telling you Carson and I think what he

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Speaker 5: everything that you've been wanting. On the back half of

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Speaker 2: So the thing on the thing.

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Speaker 4: On Kelvin Joseph is basically all teams do this. And

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Speaker 4: I remembered when he was taken there were a group

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Speaker 4: They have some problem children around when they let Darius

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Speaker 4: you're too hot for us. And so then Kentucky takes

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Speaker 4: posse kept leading him out of town, calling it a parade.

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Speaker 4: So when you got the player, you're two SEC schools, well,

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Speaker 4: you know, the old playing SEC. So everybody's cheating, so

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Speaker 4: schools in the SEC. Yeah, man, no, thank you. He

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Speaker 4: comes here, same thing. Okay, you question involved in the.

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Speaker 5: Shooting everywhere you go there you are.

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Speaker 4: Right right, and the police want to question you. You don't

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Speaker 4: want to talk to the police. It was just that

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Speaker 4: I've always had this saying, read the entire scouting report,

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Speaker 4: not just the part you like, Okay, the whole thing. Yes,

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Speaker 4: talented players. He had these things that made you say,

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Speaker 4: we like the player, but there's this other stuff there

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Speaker 2: At the same time, while the.

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Speaker 4: Cowboys get a lot of grief, do you know who's

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Speaker 4: got the whole list of problem children off the field

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Speaker 4: they just keep it. Guy, just keep finding trouble. But

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Speaker 4: Andy Reid likes taking chances. Tyreek Hill is an excellent

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Speaker 4: example of that. His off the field issues that he

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Speaker 2: But he's had some issues off the field that have

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Speaker 4: But so when I look at the Cowboys, you took

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Speaker 4: they kept they kept Goodie too long.

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Speaker 2: They've moved on.

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Speaker 4: And then the other portion of hey, let's use a

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Speaker 2: So they've made up for it in those areas.

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Speaker 5: And that's in the way that Deron Bland has worked

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Speaker 5: Will McLay and what he's been able to do.

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Speaker 2: Nay Sean Wright as well.

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Speaker 5: I mean they have they've nailed some picks and you

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Speaker 5: feel really confident about that cornerback room. But Carson, again,

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Speaker 5: I just think I love his physicality. I love the

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Speaker 5: and I think he's going to be one of those

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Speaker 2: Push Jordan jay Lou.

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Speaker 5: You know Jay Lou in a one year deal, who

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Speaker 4: He had really good camp. But I don't think, and

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Speaker 4: this is just me, I don't think he pushes him.

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Speaker 4: I just think in a seventeen game season.

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Speaker 2: Heck, we just know, yes, you're going to need bodies.

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Speaker 2: You're going to need bodies.

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Speaker 4: I mean, somebody, somebody somewhere in a game is going

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Speaker 4: that you need to be loaded at that position. And

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Speaker 4: they're loaded, and clearly Jay Lou represents with Jerry wants

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Speaker 4: where he's got these guys playing on one year dealer

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Speaker 5: With you, Lou been there before, he'd done that, and

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Speaker 5: he has performed and gotten another contract. And you know,

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Speaker 5: I just go back to last season, coming coming into camp,

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Speaker 5: that was the biggest question whether DRN Bland was going

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Speaker 5: and you see how that whole thing expanded with like

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Speaker 5: you to your point, guys go down and other guys

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Speaker 5: get opportunities. And that's Darn Bland making the most of his.

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Speaker 4: So staying on where you're at here talking about these

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Speaker 4: necessarily giving the Cowboys front office right now, nobody is

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Speaker 4: talking about Stefan Gilmore, who has a Hall of Fame resume,

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Speaker 4: former Defensive Player of the Year, a starter for the

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Speaker 4: how they were learning from him. They let him go.

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Speaker 4: You're not missing him. That you're seeing young guys step

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Speaker 4: to identify it. That's big when you can I mean,

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Speaker 4: I can't say enough of how impressed I was with

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Speaker 4: played in it twice, Gilmore did end up winning a

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Speaker 4: I feel like the Cowboys are starting to understand how

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Speaker 4: to draft and identify corners the way they do offensive

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Stephan Gilmore, I think from the moment that he

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Speaker 5: to your defense, a veteran presence, a guy that's been

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Speaker 5: their defensive player of the year, all of that Super

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Speaker 5: I think for the Cowboy Nation Cowboy fans, those are

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Speaker 5: back room. So look, I you're absolutely correct, because to me,

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Speaker 5: his loss, I'm like, how do you replace a guy

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Speaker 5: like that? But this front office, this scouting department, has

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Speaker 5: done a tremendous job of bringing in young talent to

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Speaker 5: now you know, hey, this is the first that I've

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Speaker 5: heard of Stephan Gilmour today.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And that was kind of what I was when

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Speaker 4: going to be an issue at all. And to my doms,

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Speaker 4: I don't think he's signed anywhere at all, and so

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Speaker 4: maybe he's just waiting on someone to get hurting that

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Speaker 4: definitely hoping for a rookie year, but a rookie year

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Speaker 4: You know, when you when you play on the D line,

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Speaker 4: As the Cowboys keep moving towards drafting young players that

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Speaker 2: This this is what you have to do.

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Speaker 4: You've got to start to see who are these other

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Speaker 2: But man Nickel corner in this league.

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Speaker 4: Man, when I think about just the nickel players in

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Speaker 6: First?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and you start thinking about some of the slot

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Speaker 2: It's tough. He's got some guys. Right, So you've got players.

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Speaker 4: Kansas State and a lot of us assumed the former

438
00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:17,960
Speaker 4: All American would be the starting center. And they talked

439
00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:19,760
Speaker 4: about putting me out there, and Nate just said he's

440
00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:25,200
Speaker 4: not there yet. Meanwhile, brock Hoffman doing what any young

441
00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:28,199
Speaker 4: players should do to say, Hey, I've been here, I

442
00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:30,720
Speaker 4: know the system I've played. I'm gonna do everything I

443
00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:34,240
Speaker 4: can to make sure I make it hard on them

444
00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:38,040
Speaker 4: to not give me the job. Give the young man

445
00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:41,120
Speaker 4: the credit, went to the weight room, did his job,

446
00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:43,639
Speaker 4: didn't make any noise, just did the work. I have

447
00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:46,800
Speaker 4: a lot of respect for that, and I want to

448
00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:48,680
Speaker 4: see exactly what he could do against the Rams.

449
00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:52,679
Speaker 2: Who Oh, by the way, no, Aaron Donald, come on everybody.

450
00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:58,720
Speaker 4: You know if I if I'm a fellow defensive time,

451
00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:00,360
Speaker 4: I mean offensive line, I in this.

452
00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:01,320
Speaker 2: Man all kinds of food.

453
00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:04,399
Speaker 4: Tiff treats, yes like keep him fat like and they

454
00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:07,040
Speaker 4: don't even think about coming back because you know you

455
00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:07,840
Speaker 4: can see the Rams.

456
00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:10,600
Speaker 2: Hey, we're in the playoff, Come on right, come on

457
00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:10,959
Speaker 2: back now.

458
00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:13,640
Speaker 4: I would try to keep him as fat as possibly,

459
00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:16,080
Speaker 4: but he's out of shape that he can't think about

460
00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:16,960
Speaker 4: coming back this year.

461
00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:17,240
Speaker 2: Next year.

462
00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:19,320
Speaker 5: I saw him on the on the podcast and he

463
00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:20,120
Speaker 5: still looked like.

464
00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:24,680
Speaker 2: He could go today. Don't let him get that answer, Tequila.

465
00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:25,080
Speaker 2: You know.

466
00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:29,800
Speaker 4: I could to make sure this man is not ready

467
00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:32,520
Speaker 4: to come back, because the Rams are the kind of

468
00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:35,640
Speaker 4: organization that would pick up the phone week nine and ten,

469
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,280
Speaker 4: we need you, hey man, what do you need to

470
00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:38,800
Speaker 4: come on back.

471
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Speaker 5: Yeah, this is the thing about brock k Hoffman, and

472
00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:45,200
Speaker 5: I think there's so many there's so many questions yet

473
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,600
Speaker 5: to be answered about this offensive line because I think

474
00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:50,560
Speaker 5: coming from last season to this season, the running game

475
00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:53,439
Speaker 5: is so much of a concern that you're telling yourself

476
00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:56,280
Speaker 5: that the onus. You're putting it on the head of

477
00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:58,720
Speaker 5: this offensive line and saying you, guys have to be better.

478
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:00,440
Speaker 5: You have to be better, you have to be able,

479
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:02,960
Speaker 5: you have to open up these passing lanes because it

480
00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:06,480
Speaker 5: was none existent at certain points of the season last year.

481
00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:10,159
Speaker 5: So look, brock Hoffman has a lot of responsibility, but

482
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,720
Speaker 5: he is the guy that's maximizing the opportunity that's in

483
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:14,639
Speaker 5: front of him. A lot of times, especially when you

484
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:16,680
Speaker 5: talk to guys like Barret Church, they'll tell you like, look,

485
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:21,400
Speaker 5: guy's drafted high like that, it's almost guaranteed that he's

486
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:22,800
Speaker 5: going to be the starter day one.

487
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:25,080
Speaker 2: Look at what you're dealing with right now. How to left.

488
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:28,479
Speaker 5: Tackle with Tyler Goyden Geiden, who they're trying to make

489
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:31,040
Speaker 5: him ready, but they're not gonna thrust him out there

490
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,840
Speaker 5: if he's not right. They're gonna do every truma DOGA

491
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:37,520
Speaker 5: maybe in a position to win a starting job if

492
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:42,000
Speaker 5: it is just he's leaps and bounds better than Tyler Geiden.

493
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:46,480
Speaker 5: But Hoffman Man again, he is wedged in between two

494
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 5: really good offensive guards, and I think if he can

495
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:54,040
Speaker 5: maintain that and the communication and set up be the

496
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:57,080
Speaker 5: brain basically of this offensive line, I don't see him

497
00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:00,440
Speaker 5: losing this job. And right now, Babe, just look man

498
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:02,240
Speaker 5: with the install he just has to do the best

499
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:03,879
Speaker 5: he can with the reps that he's getting.

500
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:08,400
Speaker 4: When Nate spoke about some of the snaps being an issue,

501
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:14,119
Speaker 4: that right there alone told me, Okay, yeah.

502
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 2: You can't.

503
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:19,000
Speaker 4: You can't risk it. It's the most elementary thing you do.

504
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:23,240
Speaker 4: But it's right, hike the football. But what we know,

505
00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:27,639
Speaker 4: when it goes wrong, it goes wrong. And teams defenses

506
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:30,359
Speaker 4: are too good that if a snap is a little

507
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 4: too low to the right or the left, or or

508
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 4: you know, if you go that goes up under center

509
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:37,040
Speaker 4: and it's not hitting properly.

510
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:38,439
Speaker 2: Man, that's a problem.

511
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:41,359
Speaker 4: And for a guy like McCarthy who's now running the

512
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 4: system for a second year. That Hoffman knows it and

513
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 4: is able to call out blocking protections and it's not

514
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,600
Speaker 4: have to think that. That's so much a big part

515
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:52,639
Speaker 4: of this thing, man, When you're playing center is the

516
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:54,359
Speaker 4: thinking part of it. When you don't have to do it,

517
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,159
Speaker 4: it's natural. And as you said, you got Zach on

518
00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 4: the right, you got Tyler on the left, and you

519
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:00,520
Speaker 4: know how to make the calls, how to make your

520
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:04,960
Speaker 4: combo blocks. That's big time. And so far brock Hoffmann

521
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 4: is he's making it. He's not even letting it be

522
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 4: a battle. And that's why when I say tomorrow against

523
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 4: the Rams, that's what.

524
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 2: I want to see. Can you continue it? Okay?

525
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 4: I don't need you. You can't be all ox SNAr baby.

526
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 4: I need you to be ready to go against the Rams.

527
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 4: He will be your starter out there the preseason game.

528
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:26,639
Speaker 4: Can you go ahead and command and do what you

529
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,719
Speaker 4: need to do? Center? Is so tough because I go

530
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:32,240
Speaker 4: back into this, Heckman, we talked about it all day long.

531
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 4: The fronts you are facing, Yeah, not just in this division,

532
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 4: but overall. When you start talking about your first game

533
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 4: at Cleveland, then you get the Saints, then you host

534
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 4: the Ravens, then you're at the Giants, and then you

535
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:46,400
Speaker 4: are at the Pittsburgh Steels.

536
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 2: This is some front city. And if your center is weak, yeah,

537
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:53,120
Speaker 2: oh baby. And this is two weeks in a row.

538
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:54,920
Speaker 5: And I mean the Saints may be a lot of things,

539
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,680
Speaker 5: but what they are is always good on defense. They

540
00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:00,359
Speaker 5: are gonna pack the defense and they're gonna come you know,

541
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:04,160
Speaker 5: They're going to come into at T with that defense.

542
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,639
Speaker 5: And look, brock Hoffman is doing a great job. We

543
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,119
Speaker 5: saw him last season come in and just a fill

544
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 5: in role and show basically what he can do. I

545
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 5: feel confident, you know, that's one of those positions. After

546
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,880
Speaker 5: we let go or let our center walk last season,

547
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,359
Speaker 5: I was like, Okay, well who's going to fill in?

548
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 5: I think you feel more comfortable with brock Hoffman assuming

549
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:27,439
Speaker 5: that role, but I'm with you, he still has to

550
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:27,879
Speaker 5: prove it.

551
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 2: I never had an issue letting Tyler beyand you know what,

552
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 2: for who for what? Was my thing. It was like,

553
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 2: for who for what?

554
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 5: Because we didn't have that bona fide guy, and it

555
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:40,680
Speaker 5: seemed to me like he had Beyondashid started to work

556
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 5: his way into that that starting role. I think initially

557
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:47,119
Speaker 5: like he was weak, he didn't have the strength that

558
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,640
Speaker 5: you wanted from the center. But I mean as it's

559
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,120
Speaker 5: the season started to go along, you started to play

560
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 5: some value in him. Hey, the organization didn't and they

561
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 5: went younger. They went with some younger guys, and brock

562
00:26:57,760 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 5: Hoffman has the opportunity.

563
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 4: I'll push back on you this from this standpoint, I

564
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 4: don't think that they didn't value them. I think they said, look,

565
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 4: we'll pay it, we won't overpay it. And the agent

566
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 4: for the player and I go back to Dalton Schultz,

567
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 4: I felt the same way, the same way, I'll pay it,

568
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 4: but I'm not going to overpay it because you're a

569
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 4: good player. You're not great, you're good. Dalton Schultz wanted

570
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:24,199
Speaker 4: great money. You wanted David and Joku money. And it

571
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 4: was like, hey, I'm sorry that Cleveland's out here paying

572
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 4: dav Joku and Sean Watson these crazy numbers.

573
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 2: We're not doing that. And they were right to not

574
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 2: do it.

575
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:40,360
Speaker 4: And what Dalton Schultz ended up finding out that basically

576
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,399
Speaker 4: the money you said no to from the Cowboys is

577
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:44,440
Speaker 4: what you said yes to Houston. You should have stayed here,

578
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,439
Speaker 4: and I look at Tyler b Os like, is this

579
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,119
Speaker 4: a ten million dollar a year cinner? No, No, not

580
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:56,160
Speaker 4: when I can go draft and develop in a league

581
00:27:56,160 --> 00:28:00,680
Speaker 4: where where I know my personnel staff understand enlightenment.

582
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 5: Hardest part for a lot of these guys is to

583
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 5: know exactly what their value is and so, and they

584
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 5: don't know if it'll work unless you go for it right.

585
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 5: It's just like, hey, if you don't shoot your shot,

586
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 5: you'll never get it right.

587
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:15,680
Speaker 2: That's just the way. That is the way that it works.

588
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 5: And I think even when you go back to the

589
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:20,640
Speaker 5: Shultz analogy, Schultz had the mindset of somebody that wants

590
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 5: to bet on himself. And so when he got tagged

591
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 5: for that one year and it was a proven deal

592
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 5: and thought he was going to re up for more,

593
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 5: he ends up getting hurt.

594
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:28,680
Speaker 2: He gets hurt.

595
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,439
Speaker 5: And then, oh, by the way, Jake Ferguson raises the

596
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 5: antenna and obrow of everyone, because then you see this

597
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 5: young guy who's fast, elusive. Maybe not all the pieces,

598
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 5: meaning being a blocker and all those things, but you

599
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 5: see that Jake Ferguson could fill that role and feel

600
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 5: it well, because right now he is starting to look

601
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 5: like one of the premiere tight ends in the league.

602
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 2: Back Marrison. I go back.

603
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 4: Even when they tagged him, they were trying to work

604
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 4: out a deal, he got it off. I talked to

605
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 4: someone who's a part of the negotiations and they said, look.

606
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 2: We made an offer.

607
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,719
Speaker 4: It was a good offer, but you know his he

608
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 4: and the agent are looking like a joku money And

609
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 4: Travis Kelsey went, no, no, you're you're a good player,

610
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 4: but you want great money. We're not doing that, not

611
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 4: not here. And as you said, we we got Ferguson

612
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 4: and hinder Shot.

613
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 2: We can We'll go here and figure it out. And then,

614
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 2: of course what they do.

615
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 4: They drafted Schoonmaker, so they just said, well, we we

616
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 4: feel like we know how to draft you because they

617
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 4: drafted Schultz. Okay, we've done it with you, let's do

618
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 4: it again. They did do it again with with Ferguson.

619
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 4: So if you think about it, well, Hendershot to not

620
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 4: have the season we thought he would. Schoonmaker was supposed

621
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 4: to be able to come in here and block be

622
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 4: a point of attack guy. That didn't happen. Now both

623
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 4: guys are coming back. Hendershot is making some plays of camp.

624
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 4: So this is another guy where you're talking about the

625
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 4: going against the Rams twice this week is going to

626
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 4: matter hinder Shot Schoonmaker and then John Stevens, who's bigger,

627
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 4: This is gonna be his opportunity as well. But I

628
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:10,959
Speaker 4: go back to Okay, the Cowboys clearly know how to

629
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,479
Speaker 4: draft offensive line, they know how to draft corners. They

630
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 4: know I'd picked tight ends and lound Wells is one

631
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 4: of the better tight end coaches here. They've learned how

632
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 4: to develop guys. So if I've got to pay Micah

633
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 4: and dak in CD Lamb, I've got to figure out

634
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 4: how I can get my coaches to take the talent

635
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 4: Will mcclay's giving me, make it productive and put it

636
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 4: on the field. That's where brock Hoffman comes in here.

637
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 4: That's where Schoonmaker's got to come and do his part.

638
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 2: To me.

639
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 4: That's one of That's one of the guys that I'm

640
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 4: really looking at to say, hey, man, you need to

641
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 4: step up due these Michigan dudes.

642
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 2: Outside of Georgia. Hey don't put that. I'll put that

643
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 2: on Michigan man. These Michigan dudes, you and my city.

644
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 4: I mean, think heckma first round pick on Massie, second

645
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 4: round pick on Luke Schoolmaker. Right now, we're sitting here

646
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 4: wondering what, why, what are you gonna give me? That's

647
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 4: these their question marks, and it's up to them. Those players.

648
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 4: They need to answer it because this team needs them.

649
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 4: If Luke Schoonmaker can block as they tight end, it's

650
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 4: going to help them. You can run two tight end sets,

651
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 4: you can run twelve personnel. They need him to do

652
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 4: his part. Monzie Smith the Cowboys, you look at you

653
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 4: know five games that they lost last year where teams

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Speaker 4: are gashing and running the football. You have to help

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Speaker 4: this team if they want to do anything close to

656
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Speaker 4: last year. If you want to win ten games this year,

657
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 4: these two Michigan guys are going to have to be

658
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Speaker 4: a part of They're going to have to make contributions.

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Speaker 5: Now, I al will say it like this. I think,

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00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 5: and I was a big time Dalton Schultz fan. I

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00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 5: liked him a lot. I didn't like him at the

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00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 5: number that he liked himself at. But at the same time,

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Speaker 5: I think with the way that this front office has

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Speaker 5: been drafting and bringing in guys that can fill that

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Speaker 5: role but also be superstars, you have to trust Will

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00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 5: McLay and staff to be able to bring in the

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00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 5: talent that you need. But Jake Ferguson, I mean, he

668
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 5: really is looking like a unicorn in that room when

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Speaker 5: you start looking at pass catching, when it comes down

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Speaker 5: to hender shot. It really has a bigger question mark

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Speaker 5: for me with Peyton Hendershot because I thought that looking

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Speaker 5: at those two guys in their rookie season, they looked

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Speaker 5: like one A, one B because they were.

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Speaker 2: Right right, just the way that they just the way

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Speaker 2: that they operated.

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Speaker 5: But for some reason, Jake Ferguson took the next step

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00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 5: and just took off all on his own. And now

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Speaker 5: you see with Peyton Hendershot, Look, there's been some inconsistency

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Speaker 5: with him being able to stay on the field those

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Speaker 5: Now I mean, obviously guys are going to get injured,

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Speaker 5: but just his inability to be on the field.

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Speaker 2: And oh, by the.

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Speaker 5: Way, you spend that draft pick on the scoonmaker who

684
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Speaker 5: man starting to look funny in the light in certain

685
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Speaker 5: instances because not.

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Speaker 2: Being able to catch the ball.

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Speaker 5: I just go, I don't was it one of those

688
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 5: games where he just couldn't get into that.

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Speaker 2: I believe it was the Philly It was one of

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Speaker 2: the games.

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Speaker 5: That he couldn't get into, didn't get over the goal line,

692
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 5: couldn't get to the goal line, get over the goal line,

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Speaker 5: and you just ask those questions about guy's toughness. But

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Speaker 5: to me, when I go back, when I look at

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Speaker 5: a guy like Jake Ferguson, he really is the X

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Speaker 5: factor for me as as that second wide.

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Speaker 2: Receiver that you're looking for.

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Speaker 5: He to me is starting to look like the Kelsey,

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Speaker 5: the Kittle guys like that, who's next. No, no, no, no, absolutely,

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Speaker 5: I mean because you see where especially now when you

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Speaker 5: talk about where Hoffman is with just using his muscle memory,

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Speaker 5: with understanding the assignments and the protection. I think Jake Ferguson,

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Speaker 5: with his second year in McCarthy's offense, is also going

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00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 5: to be better when you go back to Mike McCarthy's

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Speaker 5: Lenny as a coach, some of the tight ends that

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Speaker 5: he's had and so look, I just feel like a

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Speaker 5: guy like that Jake Ferguson can be that second receiver.

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Speaker 5: I know right now with CD's unsigned and we're looking

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Speaker 5: for that second guy, I think Jake Ferguson, you got

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Speaker 5: him right now on your roster.

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Speaker 4: He definitely has a role. Tight end is always going

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Speaker 4: to have a role in a Mike McCarthy offense. Here,

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Speaker 4: I know that Mike McCarthy really likes Sam Laporter.

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Speaker 5: You don't believe in Jake Ferguson like that? Did I

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Speaker 5: want to say, I don't believe in him? When I

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Speaker 5: when I said, when I said, those two elite guys,

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Speaker 5: you don't know, you don't see you don't see him

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Speaker 5: adding up to being that kind of of tight end.

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Speaker 2: So when I one thing about Kittle is his ability

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Speaker 2: to block. Yeah, he's destructive, Okay, so.

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Speaker 4: We're talking about it. To me, a complete tight end.

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Speaker 4: He can catch it, he can block, like this is

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Speaker 4: the guy, especially for a team that they run the

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00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 4: ball there, so you've got to be a point of

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Speaker 4: attack guy. So to me, Kittle is right here in

726
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 4: a separate category Kelsey. The numbers that you know he's

727
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 4: got these these Hall of Fame type numbers he's putting up.

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00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 4: He's a pass catcher, he's not a blocker. So these

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00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 4: two guys, to me, they're they're elite right there. But

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Speaker 4: let's put him over here. It's like when we start

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Speaker 4: talking about quarterbacks.

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Speaker 5: Patrick Mahons, you set him aside by himself and don't

733
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Speaker 5: put anybody just.

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00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:05,439
Speaker 2: Like these guys. You put him right over here.

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Speaker 4: Okay, that that's a category that over here, and you

736
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 4: guys haven't you haven't even made an all pro thing

737
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 4: yet to put yourself there yet. As far as and

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00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 4: that Sam said to me, Sam Laporta has that type

739
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,399
Speaker 4: of ability to be the next Kittle. Oh, by the way,

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Speaker 4: the Iowa guys, Jake has got to become to me,

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00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 4: when you are to an elite, you got to be

742
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Speaker 4: able to block. That's not what he does yet. Far

743
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Speaker 4: as pass catching, he's shown you he can catch passes,

744
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 4: that he's a dependable player. He's doing that. But I

745
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 4: just think there's another level to get to, and I'm

746
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 4: not ready to put him over there.

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00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 2: I got to see him be able to block and

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00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 2: show me a little bit more. Laporta last year, boy

749
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Speaker 2: he was. He was for a rookie.

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Speaker 4: What Mike McCarthy liked about him. So let's just didn't

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00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 4: happen this way. But let's say they were laport at

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Speaker 4: one and then decided to go get another big defensive

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00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:05,400
Speaker 4: tackle in round two. Boy boy, he take Cooking, you

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Speaker 4: take you take Laporta and Ferguson and you run into

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Speaker 4: twelve personnel and stupid.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, now that's that's legit. But what okay, there you

757
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:15,839
Speaker 2: go with the Cooks and a CD Lamb.

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Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, this this is reminiscent of Aaron Hernandez

759
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 4: and Gronk and New England. Of who you're covering, somebody's

760
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 4: gonna get you. If Hindershot can keep making advances, if

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00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 4: schoonmaker can block and make advances, they can help.

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Speaker 2: They can help.

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Speaker 4: But right now, and I see what the vision you

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00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 4: have for that's what I say, heck by, see the

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Speaker 4: vision you have.

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Speaker 2: I just got to see the actions back it up.

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Speaker 5: So and and what I see from Jake Ferguson literally

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Speaker 5: is when you talk about a wide receiver like Ceedee

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Speaker 5: Lamb who came on the scene and a lot of

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Speaker 5: defensive coordinators didn't respect him properly and left him sing

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Speaker 5: single covered all right? This year, he's not gonna have that,

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00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 5: all right. He's gonna be double covered. And there are

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Speaker 5: there's gonna be a lot of guys and open. I

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00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:04,839
Speaker 5: think the Cooks invites that, all right, your third wide

775
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 5: receiver in Tobert, he invites that. But who can haul

776
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 5: the middle of the field like a good tight end can?

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Speaker 5: And I think Jake Ferguson is the guy that's going

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00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 5: to be the air apparent there because defenses cannot rely

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00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 5: on putting a linebacker. If you put to me, if

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00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 5: you put a linebacker on Jake Ferguson, that's a win

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00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 5: each and every time. And that's where I'm saying that

782
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Speaker 5: if he wants to make that step into the next level,

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00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 5: because there is a step up that he has to take. Agree,

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00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 5: all right, But I believe as a player, what I've

785
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 5: seen him do in this offense, I think it's almost

786
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:37,879
Speaker 5: inevitable that he gets there.

787
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 4: The offense gives him the ability to become a Pro

788
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 4: Bowl player, and in year three he could definitely have

789
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 4: the opportunity to do it. Let's get one more break

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Speaker 4: in here, and there's one player who's already operating at

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00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 4: a regular season level right now. Let's tell you who

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Speaker 4: Hit him straight, Baby, hit him straight. Micah Parsons is in.

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Speaker 4: He's where he needs to be. He's he's where.

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Speaker 2: He needs to be.

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Speaker 4: Good luck to the Rams tomorrow as they try to

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Speaker 4: black block Michael Parsons because it's been a challenge for

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Speaker 4: the Cowboys. So you raised the question, Heck Maharrison, is

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Speaker 4: this the defensive player of the year.

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Speaker 2: It has to be. It has to be.

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Speaker 5: And I say that because of the Green Bay game.

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Speaker 2: Let me tell you this.

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Speaker 5: After the Green Bay game, what was startling to me

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Speaker 5: is the amount of people that walked out of the

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Speaker 5: exit on Michael Parsons basically saying, hey, this guy is

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Speaker 5: a one trick pony and all the pressures, all of

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Speaker 5: that concerning. But but in the big moments, Micah seems

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Speaker 5: to shrink and had I it's like reading a book,

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Speaker 5: me and you reading a book. And coming away with

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Speaker 5: two different themes on what we just read.

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Speaker 2: And you were.

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Speaker 5: Criticism was fair, the criticism was and you know what

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Speaker 5: what I what I say to those people when I

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Speaker 5: look at a player like Michael Parsons, who is special, No,

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Speaker 5: he's not your run of the mill, not your average,

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Speaker 5: a guy that has had forty one sacks in three seasons.

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Speaker 5: And O, by the way, when you start looking at

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Speaker 5: his sack percentages and totals and pressures and all of that,

870
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 5: there are only four players to have the kind of

871
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 5: season that he's had in three seasons, and three of

872
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:16,320
Speaker 5: those guys have Hall of Fame, have yellowjackets.

873
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:16,919
Speaker 2: Okay.

874
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 5: And I think under Mike Zimmer, I think Mike Zimmer

875
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 5: is going to be the coach that really unlocks his

876
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 5: full potential because what we're seeing now in Oxnard not

877
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 5: only just staying in one place, moving him around, allowing

878
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 5: him to be that guy that doesn't be that that's

879
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 5: not going to be in one place.

880
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 8: Right.

881
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:38,839
Speaker 5: He did that, but a lot of times when Dan

882
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:40,320
Speaker 5: was stuck in the rut, what did he do? He

883
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 5: stuck Micah on one side of the ball, okay, and

884
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:47,399
Speaker 5: then after that he didn't have an answer once offenses

885
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 5: took Micah out of it. Now, we don't put any honest,

886
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 5: we don't put any of the responsibility on the other

887
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 5: ten guys and say, look, where were you when this

888
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:58,359
Speaker 5: offense was running three guys in double team because he's

889
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 5: the most double team defensive player in the league, or

890
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 5: the rest of your guys. But I think when you

891
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 5: have a weapon like that and you can maneuver and

892
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:08,399
Speaker 5: move him around, and don't just make him a one

893
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 5: trick ponent, don't just a gap blitz, not just the

894
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 5: five off the outside. What else can you do with

895
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 5: Michael to make him effective? And I think those are

896
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 5: the things that you're going to see this season. And

897
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 5: I'm not selling Hopium because you got that Hopium look

898
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 5: on your face. I'm not telling you that Ebneze Echabon

899
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 5: is going to be the defensive player of the year.

900
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:32,839
Speaker 5: I'm telling you I was just thinking of a random.

901
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 2: Hey, Eboneze, I love you, and I love you.

902
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 5: I'm just saying I'm not I'm selling you on a

903
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 5: guy that you already know is like that. Okay, So

904
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 5: convincing yourself that Michael Parsons isn't the player that he is.

905
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 5: I think, man, to all of those puns that everybody

906
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 5: that feels like that number eleven, number eleven is him

907
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 5: and has been showing you season after season how special

908
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 5: he is. And this has to be for me the

909
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 5: defensive Player of the Year for the twenty twenty four

910
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 5: Dallas Cowboys season.

911
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 2: Miles Garrett may have something the same about it. Of

912
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 2: course t J. Watt does too. There's a lot of guys.

913
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 4: They will, oh absolutely was the first six game, five

914
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:17,280
Speaker 4: six games of the year of they will there.

915
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 2: They'll be there to show their wars against each other.

916
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 4: Look, Micah Parsons deserves his fair share of the embarrassing

917
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 4: loss to Green Bay as much as Dak Prescott and

918
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 4: Cede Limb and you guys want big contracts, they're the

919
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 4: fans have the right to expect you to produce because

920
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 4: that is what you have to do.

921
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 2: I'm going to go to a different sport.

922
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:46,360
Speaker 4: And what I just witnessed back in June at the

923
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 4: NBA Finals where Jason Tatum and Jlen Brown who had

924
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 4: played in the finals two years before and very humbled

925
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 4: by the Golden State Warriors, and the next year they

926
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 4: didn't have they didn't get back to the finals, and

927
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 4: then they got here again and they produced at an

928
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 4: outstanding clip with Jalen Brown being the finals MVP. He

929
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:10,399
Speaker 4: had excellent Eastern Conference finals as well. These are two

930
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:15,399
Speaker 4: guys playing for historic franchise, dealt with the criticism and

931
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 4: being young. They just kept working and it got there.

932
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:21,399
Speaker 4: And to me, I look at Michael Parsons in such

933
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 4: the same fashion. It's part of being young, part of learning,

934
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 4: doing a lot of talking, not getting it done, and

935
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 4: people shine the light on you.

936
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:29,799
Speaker 2: What are you going to do so far?

937
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:34,359
Speaker 4: His response at camp is lost ten pounds. I'm out

938
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 4: here going crazy.

939
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 2: Great.

940
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 4: That's what you want to see. That's a part of

941
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 4: the growth you'd like to see from a player that

942
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 4: you feel is a difference maker. There's a lot of

943
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 4: good players and a lot of difference makers. Michael Parsons

944
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 4: is a difference maker. I need you to start making

945
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 4: a difference in playoff games. Ceedee Lamb, I need you

946
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 4: to make a difference in playoff games. Dak Prescott, I

947
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 4: need you to make a difference in playoff games because

948
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 4: if you do, they can go where they want to go.

949
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:03,800
Speaker 4: If they don't, they won't going back to the finals.

950
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 4: What did I see from Kyrie Irving. He wasn't a

951
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 4: difference maker out there, and what happened. You got yourself

952
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:12,919
Speaker 4: sent home in five games, real quick, Luca Dacich, same thing.

953
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:15,839
Speaker 4: You weren't producing at the level you needed to in

954
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 4: the finals. It's a part of the growing process for

955
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:21,799
Speaker 4: young people. Kyrie's already got a ring. But that's my

956
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:24,399
Speaker 4: thing is this is he This ain't the end.

957
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:25,759
Speaker 2: Of the world. I don't look at it.

958
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 4: I'm like, gosh, we hate my No, no, dude, this

959
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 4: is a part of that thing, man, and you got

960
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 4: to get better from it.

961
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:34,280
Speaker 5: I love the basketball analogy because you know, the greatest

962
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 5: player that ever played the game, Michael Michael Jordan. Uh,

963
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 5: go back to those those Knicks battles when the Knicks

964
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 5: were able to sparks and guys like that were able

965
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:48,360
Speaker 5: to double team and shut Mike down. He needed to

966
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 5: get help starts starting. But this is what I'm saying.

967
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 5: They were able to take him out of his game.

968
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 5: He didn't have any he didn't have a guy with

969
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 5: him at the time.

970
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:03,320
Speaker 2: No, no, no, what I'm saying.

971
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 5: No, it wasn't always Jordan and Pipping walking into Madison

972
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:12,320
Speaker 5: Square Garden beating down the Knicks. What I'm saying is

973
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 5: they he had to get that help to get over

974
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 5: the hump.

975
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:17,279
Speaker 2: And even when you.

976
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:19,879
Speaker 5: Have all the greatest plans that you possibly can, Mike

977
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 5: is just Mike. That's what Mike is just Mike. And

978
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 5: how many times did those guys leave out of there

979
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 5: upset because no matter what you threw at him, he

980
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 5: still was him and he was able to put his

981
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 5: cape on and win some games. I'm saying the same

982
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 5: thing about Michaeh. Look it's on you. I hear cowboy fans,

983
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 5: I hear people saying, look like it's musical chairs for

984
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 5: these contracts, Oh you sign Dak, you sign CD Who's

985
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 5: gonna be the odd man out man? To even consider

986
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 5: or even think about like that, to me, it is asinine,

987
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 5: like you gotta get number eleven signed to a long

988
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:58,399
Speaker 5: term deal. It's not even I mean, you don't even

989
00:47:58,400 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 5: think about it. If you don't even think about his

990
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,840
Speaker 5: worth and whether he's worth the contract or not. He

991
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 5: is definitely worth it. And so when you bring up

992
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 5: guys in the NBA that have that's wilted in those moments,

993
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 5: I don't look at him the same way. I don't say, oh,

994
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 5: he's shrunk in that moment. I think you needed other

995
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:15,800
Speaker 5: guys to step up. And that's why I make the

996
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 5: analogy of the comparison between Mike Jordan and the Knicks.

997
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 2: Aden Hutchinson has more career playoffs sacks and Michael Parsons. Man,

998
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 2: that man got this man all right? So you called

999
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 2: him Aiden Hutchinson.

1000
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 4: I'm just saying Aiden Hudginson was getting to the quarterback.

1001
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:34,359
Speaker 4: Michael Parsons hasn't gotten to the quarterback the way Aiden

1002
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,279
Speaker 4: Hutchinson has. Look at the end of the day, you

1003
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:39,760
Speaker 4: need your you need the stars to be stars.

1004
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 2: Don't move the gold post.

1005
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 4: He was not a star against Green Bay. Dak Prescott

1006
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:46,359
Speaker 4: was not a star against Green Bay. Ced Land wasn't

1007
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 4: a starga. Which is why, which is one reason why

1008
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:49,839
Speaker 4: you went home.

1009
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 2: If you're going to win, your stars got to be stars.

1010
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:53,879
Speaker 2: I just saw in the finals. What did I see?

1011
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:55,879
Speaker 4: I saw the stars be stars. And when the other

1012
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 4: team stars weren't stars, you go home and lose. That

1013
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:01,399
Speaker 4: is a part of it. There's nothing wrong with sitting

1014
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:03,239
Speaker 4: here pointing the fingers said, man, you didn't get it done.

1015
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 4: It's your opportunity to go back get it done. Kobe

1016
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 4: shot three air balls against Utah. They went home. Kobe

1017
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 4: went home and worked on his game, and he said,

1018
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 4: you know what, I'll never have that happen again. I

1019
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:15,240
Speaker 4: understand where I need to have my legs in April.

1020
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 4: I will make sure my legs are in April, and

1021
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 4: that won't happen again. Michael Parson's losing ten pounds showing

1022
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:23,800
Speaker 4: up the camp. To me, that's that mamba mentality. Okay,

1023
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 4: that happened at against Green Bay. I won't want to

1024
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 4: happen again. All I know is Ad and Hutcheson fact

1025
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 4: has more playoff sacks than Michael Parson's. I didn't think

1026
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 4: I did. When I went and do the research, I

1027
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 4: was surprised. That's our show today, Harrison. We'll continue the

1028
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Speaker 4: conversation on that when the players brought to you. Bye,

1029
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:43,640
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