1 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: Episode fifty seven of Swimming Upstream on the Fans First 2 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: Sports Network. We got a good show for you guys today. 3 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 1: This is gonna be a fun one coming out of 4 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:32,160 Speaker 1: the Winter meetings. Some news for the Marlins, not much, 5 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 1: but some mostly related to prospects. That's what we love 6 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:37,479 Speaker 1: to talk about on Swiming Upstream prospects. Right, got a 7 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:40,839 Speaker 1: good crowd here today to do so with an awesome guest, myself, 8 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:43,520 Speaker 1: Alex Carver, Kevin Barrall, Managing editor of Fish on First, 9 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 1: Eli Sussman, and Baseball America Editor in Chief JJ Cooper. Wow, JJ, 10 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 1: it's probably I know you guys are always busy at 11 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 1: Baseball America, but I know you're super busy or we're 12 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 1: super busy this week with Winter meeting stuff. Probably coming 13 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 1: down from that, right, So I appreciate you taking some 14 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 1: time out to come in and chat about our beloved 15 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 1: Marlin's prospects. So again, thanks for your time and everything 16 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: you do for Baseball America. It's a great resource for 17 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 1: all of us. So we appreciate your time here on 18 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 1: the show today. What's up? How is Nashville? How you doing? 19 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:17,319 Speaker 2: It's great, I'm doing great. It's great to be back, 20 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:20,759 Speaker 2: but Nashville was the OPU Land that if you've never 21 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:24,039 Speaker 2: been to, the Gay Lord OPU Land is something that's 22 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:28,320 Speaker 2: kind of hard to fully explain. Like I was trying 23 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:32,760 Speaker 2: to my mother's birthday always falls during it seems to 24 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 2: always fall during the winter meetings, and I was trying 25 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 2: to explain to her where I was. And I was like, 26 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 2: there's a river in here. She's like, you mean like 27 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:42,320 Speaker 2: a little water. I'm like, no, I mean like you 28 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 2: can get on a boat and go around this little river, 29 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 2: like and four people can be on that boat. She's 30 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 2: like what, And I'm like, and there's like it's I 31 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 2: can't explain. There's log rides, and there's bridges, and there's 32 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 2: three thousand hotel rooms and you're always lost. But at 33 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 2: the same time, I have to say, from a Baseball 34 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 2: America perspective, we always haven't had the Rule five draft 35 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 2: at the winters was really fun. Adding the draft lottery 36 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 2: to it as well has been a nice little bonus 37 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 2: event that was very fun as well to see and 38 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:19,679 Speaker 2: obviously a shocking one this year where you have two 39 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 2: teams who weren't have, you know, heavy odds of the 40 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 2: Guardians and Reds both getting the top two picks, so 41 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:27,080 Speaker 2: a lot of fun, but it is good to be 42 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 2: home at the same time. 43 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. Our guy Isaac went he had similar sentiments. 44 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 1: So uh yeah, we'll break into it. 45 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:34,079 Speaker 3: Man. 46 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:37,080 Speaker 1: I'm gonna recap winter meetings a little bit Rule five stuff, 47 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 1: which we know is your your forte a lot. You 48 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 1: were there on site for it as well, and then 49 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:46,359 Speaker 1: we'll break into some some generic Marlins prospect questions coming 50 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: out of last year going into next year, stuff like that. 51 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 1: So let's let's go. Let's break into it, kind of 52 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:54,959 Speaker 1: switch off and hit you with the questions that we got. Again, 53 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 1: you mentioned it already. Rule five. Let's talk about this 54 00:02:57,639 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 1: major league portion of the Rule five. The Marlins do 55 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 1: lose one prospects. They did not lose the one that 56 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 1: Marlins fans and all of us thought that they would 57 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 1: lose in Troy Johnston. So my first question for you 58 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:11,920 Speaker 1: is about Troy a lefty hitter twenty seven years old. 59 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 1: You know, struggled, you know, two years ago, but this 60 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:18,239 Speaker 1: past year he was he was struggled last year or 61 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 1: two years ago in Triple I should say this year 62 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 1: he was back there for basically half of the year, 63 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 1: played double and triple and man, this guy was one 64 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 1: of the best prospects in the Marlins system WRC plus 65 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 1: over one thirty twenty twenty season, which was the first 66 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 1: time in a while there Marlin's prospect has done that. 67 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: Is defensively limited, but we figured that some team would 68 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 1: take a chance on Troy's bat on their twenty six 69 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 1: man roster. They don't. Instead, he stays with the Marlins, 70 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 1: which we're all thrilled about. But what are your thoughts 71 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 1: about about Johnston as a prospect. Is there a reason 72 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 1: that we're not thinking of that a team didn't take 73 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: a chance on him. 74 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 2: I think you hit on one, which is he is defensively limited, 75 00:03:56,920 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 2: and that does kind of create a little bit of 76 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 2: an issue right there, right, Okay, So I'm only interested. 77 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 2: The best way I can put it is if I'm 78 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 2: a team who is going to that Johnston's going to 79 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 2: come in and play regularly at first base slash DH 80 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 2: because other than that, he's not If I if that's 81 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 2: not something I need, I'm not interested. Okay, So fifteen 82 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 2: to twenty teams just take him off the list right away. 83 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:27,359 Speaker 2: The next part is is that as good as his 84 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 2: season was, he will he sometimes will chase out of 85 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 2: the zone, and I do think that that is a 86 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 2: concern when you say, okay, how well is this going 87 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 2: to translate, because realistically, what you are talking about is 88 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:47,039 Speaker 2: we want to a first baseman. We're drafted the first 89 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 2: baseman in the Roal five draft. You're going to want 90 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 2: a guy who's really controlled the zone pretty well, who 91 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 2: from day one is kind of hitting and not that 92 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:57,480 Speaker 2: Johnston doesn't have a lot of attributes that kind of 93 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 2: indicate that maybe he can. But you have this kind 94 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 2: of this one concern here of like, okay, if you've 95 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:06,840 Speaker 2: got to chase outside of the zone too much, that 96 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 2: might right there have said okay, another list of teams 97 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:13,280 Speaker 2: says nope, we're just not interested because he'll expanned a 98 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:16,600 Speaker 2: little bit beyond the zone. Sometimes. There were two guys 99 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 2: who were you know, in this group. I would say 100 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 2: that Johnston and then blame Krim with the Rangers were 101 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 2: both guys who thought, you know, had upper level track 102 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 2: record success and you could see them as guys. But 103 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:33,360 Speaker 2: first base is just not a position that always gets taken, 104 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 2: like there are guys who get taken. Ryan Noa last 105 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 2: year would obviously be a preme example, but you're pretty 106 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 2: much only taking that guy if he's going to not 107 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:44,840 Speaker 2: only stick but get regular at bet you're saying, okay, 108 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 2: we project him to get four hundred plus plate appearances 109 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 2: if healthy, and apparently enough teams just looked at it 110 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 2: and said, no, we're not willing to go there for Johnston. 111 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 4: The other name that you mentioned that Alex mentioned here 112 00:05:57,560 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 4: real quick JJ was Nason Junius, who was I believe 113 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 4: the pick of the draft. He went to the Washington Nationals. 114 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:04,600 Speaker 4: I think definitely more of a you know, a weird 115 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 4: selection there. He goes to a spot where CJ. Abrams 116 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 4: is a shortstop, fairly young team. You know, maybe a 117 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 4: little hard to see him stick up there at the 118 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 4: major league level. But just your thoughts on you know, 119 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:18,040 Speaker 4: the selection and where do you see not see kind 120 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:20,039 Speaker 4: of projecting into this Washington Nationals team. 121 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 2: Now I think that this is actually he's got a 122 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 2: decent chance to stick. Like you said, it's a young 123 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 2: team that's not looking to contend this year in a 124 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:35,039 Speaker 2: very very very difficult division, as you all know very well. 125 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 2: But the thing about it is that unlike Johnson, we 126 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:42,160 Speaker 2: talked about Johnson, Johnson's got to hit Johnson's got to play. 127 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 3: You know. 128 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 2: If Johnson doesn't and in with a year of four 129 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 2: hundred four and d and fifty play appearances at least, 130 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:49,479 Speaker 2: it's like, well, then why did you take him in? 131 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 2: Nuna is this case? It's not that you are talking 132 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:56,039 Speaker 2: here about a case of a player who can be 133 00:06:56,440 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 2: a twenty sixth player, you know, the thirteen per player 134 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:03,359 Speaker 2: on the roster. Right where you say, Okay, we know 135 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 2: that his bat is not ready for the big leagues, 136 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 2: and we don't expect anything from his bat this year. 137 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 2: He's not going to play. You can very easily finish 138 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 2: the year with two hundred or fewer play appearances and 139 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 2: stick up there all year. But what you're saying is, okay, 140 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 2: what can he do to stick to help a team? 141 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 2: The glove is the glove, right, Like his glove is 142 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 2: good enough that yes they do have CJ Abrams, but 143 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 2: I think Nunia's is better defensively. But I think more 144 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 2: importantly than that, Nunya could also Okay, whatever position around 145 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 2: the infield you want to put him at, he knows 146 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 2: he comes into spring training. If you said, what is 147 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 2: my path to sticking? What is my path to being 148 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 2: a big leaguer for the entire day of twenty twenty four. 149 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 2: The simple and easy answer is have a great glove 150 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 2: anywhere and be able to play anywhere, second, short, third, 151 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 2: wherever you want me to play, I can play it, 152 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 2: and I'll give you good defense. 153 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 3: Blind drive, cut pine Nunez. Nunia is the shirt st 154 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 3: a full extension leap to his right to snare a 155 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 3: liner off the bat of Rodriguez one pitch, one out, and. 156 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 2: On top of that, show that you can provide some 157 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 2: value as a pinch runner. I can steal a base 158 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 2: if you need to, or you just put me on 159 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 2: you know, I pinch run for the catcher and he's 160 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 2: standing on second and I'm going to get home on 161 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 2: his thing. You know, things that where it's like, okay, 162 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 2: I'm providing these secondary skills while we understand I'm not 163 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 2: gonna come close to probably producing enough offensively to really 164 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 2: count on me. He can do that. And it's the 165 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 2: Nationals where they can say, okay, we can carry him 166 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 2: to do that this year, and then we can probably 167 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:43,839 Speaker 2: and I let me be clear, I think this often 168 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:47,319 Speaker 2: doesn't work, but there's often this idea We'll carry him 169 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 2: like that for one year we'll send them back to 170 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 2: the miners after that to then see if his back 171 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 2: can kind of take that next step, and then we'll 172 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 2: check back on him in twenty twenty six and see 173 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 2: if he can be a regular or a are a 174 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:09,679 Speaker 2: more well rounded backup, you know, infielder, and it's possible 175 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:13,439 Speaker 2: that he can get there. I did hear like he 176 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 2: was a guy who coming into the draft. I more 177 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 2: and more like the last couple, you know, last hour 178 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:24,319 Speaker 2: or two before it, I was hearing Nuniaz his name, like, Okay, 179 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 2: where do you think he's going to go? Not do 180 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 2: you think he's going to go? Where do you think 181 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 2: he's going to go? And that really is testament that 182 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 2: the thing the credit to him is is there are 183 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 2: not often shortstops with this kind of glove who are 184 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 2: available in the World five draft. Even if I would 185 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 2: still put there, a pretty good chance that he ends 186 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:45,599 Speaker 2: up back with the Marlins, because at the end of 187 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:48,320 Speaker 2: the day, even if you're a team that's not trying 188 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 2: to be particularly competitive, it's hard to get through your 189 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 2: it's hard to carry anyone on your roster who you 190 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 2: really can't count on anything offensively from. And I don't 191 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 2: think you can count on much of anything from Nunya's 192 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:04,439 Speaker 2: offensively in twenty twenty four. 193 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 5: But JJ, you touched on it the idea of this 194 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 5: is unusual for defender like him to be available. What 195 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:14,840 Speaker 5: do you make of the fact that him and Johnston 196 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 5: were even unprotected in the first place. As we'll get 197 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 5: into a little bit later, this Marlin's farm system is 198 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 5: not in good shape right now. So these guys, I 199 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:26,079 Speaker 5: think on BA you had does seem as number six 200 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 5: prospect in the whole organization as of like a month ago. Yeah, 201 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 5: where do you stand on that? Even if it's a 202 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 5: team that has, you know, some motivation to win quickly, Uh, 203 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 5: it's it leaves them with very little prospect capital to 204 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 5: deal with and their team that has a big void 205 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:46,080 Speaker 5: at shortstop in your future. Were you surprised that he 206 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:47,679 Speaker 5: wasn't protected in the first place? 207 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 2: A little bit? But I think you also have to 208 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:54,440 Speaker 2: factor in the kind of front office changeover that we've 209 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 2: had in you know, in Miami in the last couple 210 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 2: of years, where even though so Nunyas isn't very old, 211 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:05,840 Speaker 2: even though Nunyas was drafted not that long ago, we're 212 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 2: still talking about that. There's been a lot of changeover 213 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 2: where that the evaluations may be a little different now 214 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 2: than they were, you know when he was taken. You're right, 215 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 2: the Marlins need shortstops, and it is kind of strange 216 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:22,200 Speaker 2: in some ways to say and we're going to leave 217 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 2: this one unprotected. But at the same time, I don't 218 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:29,320 Speaker 2: think that Nunya's had a ton of Like as far 219 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 2: as prospect capital, Nunyaz would have needed a significantly better 220 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 2: twenty four season to really have a ton of prospect capital. 221 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 2: The fact that he was Rule five eligible, he didn't 222 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 2: get picked, but he wasn't the first pick in the 223 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 2: Rule five draft either, right, Like, so there is kind 224 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 2: of a you know, he's valuable, we're not saying he's not, 225 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 2: but at the same time, we're not talking about a 226 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 2: guy who it's like, Okay, the corner start of this 227 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 2: deal is is we will give you to see nunyas 228 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:00,440 Speaker 2: because if that was the case and we just doesn't 229 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 2: really happen. But he would have been the first pick 230 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:05,959 Speaker 2: in the Rule five draft without a question. Because if 231 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 2: you're talking about someone who's a clear talent, they're going 232 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 2: to be like teams are going to be falling over 233 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:15,440 Speaker 2: each other, like Hey, Oakland, we'll trade you so and 234 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:17,440 Speaker 2: so if you can give us. And that's not where 235 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:20,560 Speaker 2: Nunia is is. So I think a lot of this 236 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 2: comes down to, yes, I don't think that the Marlins 237 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 2: farm system right now is in ideal shape for where 238 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 2: you want it to be. This speaks to that, but 239 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:33,720 Speaker 2: it also speaks to it's like, Okay, the new regime 240 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:36,959 Speaker 2: does have some work to do on this. I do 241 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:39,320 Speaker 2: think you give a lot of credit to Kim ng 242 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 2: and kind of the previous front office for what they 243 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:47,559 Speaker 2: did to get to the playoffs. But as Peter Bendix 244 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 2: and the new regime come in, there's also going to 245 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:54,559 Speaker 2: be a lot of work because it's hard. The Marlins 246 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 2: aren't going to outspend anybody, especially in a division where 247 00:12:57,520 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 2: we know that the Phillies and the Brave are gonna 248 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 2: spin and the Mets. And then you look at a 249 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:06,719 Speaker 2: farm system wise, and this is not a team right 250 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 2: now that you say, Okay, there's seven eight players coming 251 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 2: that's really gonna shoot them up. You know, give them 252 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 2: a chance to have this great young court. They do 253 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 2: have a good young core in the big leagues, and 254 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:20,840 Speaker 2: they've shown that they can develop pitching, which is very valuable. 255 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 2: But that said, it's going to have to be some 256 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:26,840 Speaker 2: creative moves to fill some of these holes on the 257 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:30,560 Speaker 2: big league club because I don't see those answers necessarily 258 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 2: coming in the next year or so from the farm system. Yeah. 259 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:37,560 Speaker 1: Absolutely, top five system just a few years ago and 260 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 1: ain't that way anymore unfortunately, but hopefully you can get 261 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 1: built back up. I guess finishing out on the Rule 262 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:49,959 Speaker 1: five JJ, the Marlins didn't pick anybody with their majorly 263 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:52,720 Speaker 1: in the major league portion they've passed. That's kind of 264 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 1: a raised staple, especially in many recent years, so it 265 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 1: wasn't really a surprise to see Bendix there back end 266 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 1: of the draft passing. But they did get five guys 267 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:04,479 Speaker 1: in a minor league portion. They get the young outfielder 268 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 1: Yural Martinez. Uh, they get Marty Kostis, an outfielder as well. 269 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 1: They get Sean Roby thair Basement and pitchers Adam Laski 270 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 1: and Julio Delone. So we were kind of talking about 271 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 1: these guys a little bit ago earlier in the week, 272 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 1: But is there any one of these guys that maybe 273 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 1: sticks out to you as as a prospect who could 274 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 1: make an impact with the Marlins system here before long. 275 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 2: I don't want to go overboarder, at least because of 276 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 2: the reality of it is is that their their minor 277 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 2: league Rule five picks. You usually if you get a 278 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 2: decent ORG player out of it, then you've done a 279 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 2: nice minor league pick. That said, you know, Marty Costas 280 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 2: was a guy a couple of years ago coming out 281 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 2: of Maryland. I that was intriguing to some extent. I'm 282 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 2: kind of I'll be interested to see what, you know, 283 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 2: kind of what he can do change of scenery. Uh, 284 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 2: you know, maybe there's something there. There was a time 285 00:14:57,520 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 2: where Adam Laski was a little interesting to me again 286 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 2: coming out of the draft and all that. I would say, 287 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 2: if you bet on again, if you're handicapping, what are 288 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 2: the success rate on a minor league Rule five pick you, 289 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 2: if you say they're probably going to be ORG players, 290 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 2: you're you're generally going to be right. There is there 291 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 2: are exceptions to that. The Marlins have pulled off one 292 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 2: of the biggest exceptions to that in the twenty first 293 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 2: century and justin Moore. But most of the time, the 294 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 2: other thing you have to remember with these guys is 295 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 2: is often these are one year trials. Because the way 296 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 2: it works often and I can't I don't have the 297 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 2: in front of me which ones of these are the cases. 298 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 2: But often players are minor league Rule five eligible right 299 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 2: before they become minor league free agents. So in many cases, 300 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 2: you have one year and if you really like them, 301 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 2: then you're adding them to the forty men roster next year, 302 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 2: not just to prevent them from being available in the 303 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 2: major league phase the Rule five, but if they're in 304 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 2: demand enough just to kind of keep to induce them 305 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 2: to not try to you know, free agency minor league 306 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 2: free agency. So again, I but those are a couple 307 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 2: of guys who when they when the name when I 308 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 2: heard the name that, I was like, oh, okay, you know, 309 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 2: I don't think any of them made our nine guys 310 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 2: that we were kind of highlighting from the minor league 311 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 2: phase of the World five Draft. But those are some 312 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 2: some definite useful names that again you're you're looking for. 313 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 2: If you could hit on one out of every twenty 314 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 2: minor league Rule five picks you do, you're doing a 315 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 2: good job. But at the same time, I also, to 316 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 2: be honest, major league teams get more excited about the 317 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 2: minor league phase a lot than in the major league 318 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 2: phase because it's basically pre talent. They love the idea 319 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 2: of there's not this forty men roster requirement, there's not 320 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 2: this I got to carry them on in the age 321 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 2: like it's twenty four k and that he's just our player. Well, 322 00:16:57,080 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 2: teams love that, even if this year was a little 323 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 2: in er that way because of the five round draft 324 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:05,200 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty, which we're seeing the effects of now 325 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 2: here four years later. 326 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 5: J J. 327 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 4: I wanted to ask you, Obviously, we know that the Marlins, 328 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:13,679 Speaker 4: you know, developed draft towns. They struggled at that for 329 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 4: the for a couple of years now, So I guess 330 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 4: with the front office kind of being constructed. Obviously we 331 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 4: see Kim Lee, we see Bendix come in bringing in 332 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 4: a couple of his own guys here, how important is 333 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 4: that the that the Marlins brought in as many names, 334 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:27,160 Speaker 4: you know, we see Gabe Kapler. I know they brought 335 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 4: in obviously the big one, Bendix and a couple other 336 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 4: guys to have that player development. How important is it 337 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 4: that they brought these type of names with, you know, 338 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:38,680 Speaker 4: most notably Bendix, but then Kapeler who was with the Dodgers, 339 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 4: and we saw what he did with that minor league system. 340 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 2: Again, I think that that really was kind of a 341 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:47,640 Speaker 2: clever higher from the standpoint of you don't often see 342 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:51,440 Speaker 2: Gabe Kepler is kind of an unconventional guy. I mean, 343 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 2: like this in general, I think you could say that, 344 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 2: but you look at his career path. There aren't a 345 00:17:56,600 --> 00:17:59,680 Speaker 2: whole lot of play you know, man major league managers 346 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 2: who kind of head back in this role. But he's 347 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 2: uniquely kind of equipped to do that because this is 348 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:09,880 Speaker 2: something he's done well before. This is something where if 349 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:14,200 Speaker 2: you said, pick an organization, like, let's just be honest 350 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:16,199 Speaker 2: about it, if you wanted to say, okay, from a 351 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:22,439 Speaker 2: player development perspective, pick organizations that you are going to 352 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 2: try to take away talent from, take away their kind 353 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:31,639 Speaker 2: of their their their background, their intellectual there's held in 354 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 2: their heads because they worked in these organizations. Dodgers and 355 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:38,119 Speaker 2: Rays are pretty hard to beat. As from a player 356 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:40,880 Speaker 2: development perspective, the Dodgers are pretty hard to beat from 357 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:45,159 Speaker 2: almost any perspective, to be honest, but to have that 358 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:48,639 Speaker 2: kind of combination Bendex. You know, Peter is coming from 359 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 2: the Rays. He's been with the Rays for quite a while. 360 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:54,360 Speaker 2: He's been involved in different aspects of it, where that's 361 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 2: been a pretty perenially powerful farm system. They have to be, 362 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 2: even though the one thing I'll say about them is 363 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 2: is everyone talks about the raised prospects. What the Rays 364 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 2: do as much on the prospect side, and this is 365 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:11,920 Speaker 2: player development as well, But it's the volume of trades 366 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:14,160 Speaker 2: that they make as much as it is the draft. 367 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:17,440 Speaker 2: They've drafted well at times and all that good international program, 368 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:20,679 Speaker 2: but it's just time and time again where we have 369 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 2: players like Junior Kim and Arro and you say, well, 370 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 2: where did he come from? It's like, well, actually he 371 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 2: was a Guardian and then they traded Tobias Myers for them, 372 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:31,120 Speaker 2: and then Junior Kemen Air prinsident Junior camern Arrow. See 373 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:34,399 Speaker 2: that you have Kapler. It is important because that's where 374 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 2: if the Marlins are going to have long term success. 375 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 2: I think we all know it has to come from 376 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:45,359 Speaker 2: within and then from trading within and winning on those trades. Now, 377 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 2: I feel like that if you look at last year, 378 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 2: they did a very good job on the trade front 379 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 2: as far as winning some of those trades, at least 380 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 2: in the short term, adding players who really did help 381 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:59,159 Speaker 2: them become a playoff team. Which, okay, that to me 382 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:01,919 Speaker 2: is in very important. If you're talking about the Marlins, 383 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:05,440 Speaker 2: the Marlins have not had a whole lot of seasons. 384 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 2: Take that twenty twenty sixty game, you know, season out 385 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:11,920 Speaker 2: of it. There just haven't been that many I mean 386 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 2: that many times where Miami has you know, where the 387 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:19,919 Speaker 2: Marlins have had the opportunity to be in the playoffs. Well, okay, 388 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:23,400 Speaker 2: getting there's great. Now you want to kind of sustain that, 389 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:25,919 Speaker 2: that's going to be even more challenging. And that's where 390 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 2: every aspect, every prong of player development, talent acquisition is 391 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 2: going to have to be firing on all cylinders. Sure. 392 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 1: Sticking with the front office for a second, JJ one 393 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:43,960 Speaker 1: departure that the Marlins had for a position that they've 394 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 1: still not filled is director of amateur Scouting, So they 395 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:50,679 Speaker 1: parted ways with DJ Spalank. Bendix was asked about this 396 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 1: in Nashville this past week. He kind of spoke like 397 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 1: the intricacies of the role, how important the role is, 398 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 1: how important it is they get the right person in 399 00:20:57,080 --> 00:20:57,400 Speaker 1: that role. 400 00:20:57,480 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 2: ECCC. 401 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:02,119 Speaker 1: Looking back on the tenure of DJ, though, I just 402 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 1: wanted to ask you about his overall draft strategy of 403 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:10,359 Speaker 1: always selecting the best player available. That was his hismo. 404 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:13,359 Speaker 1: In some ways it works specifically with pitching, but with 405 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:16,119 Speaker 1: position players it didn't really work out for him in 406 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 1: most of his drafts. So I just wanted to ask 407 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:20,200 Speaker 1: you about that strategy when it comes to the draft. 408 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 1: Is that a viable strategy to just go best player 409 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:26,440 Speaker 1: available or do you think like the best directors sometimes 410 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:28,160 Speaker 1: go against that green. 411 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 2: I think that it depends on what you're defining his 412 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:35,360 Speaker 2: best player available. I do believe that generally scouting directors 413 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 2: who you know, take who's best on their board. But 414 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:41,639 Speaker 2: at the same time, there are difference of opinions on 415 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:44,399 Speaker 2: the board. And this is also something that gets into 416 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:48,119 Speaker 2: how well like every scouting director. Now part of the 417 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 2: job is okay, there's multiple prongs to it, but one 418 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:54,920 Speaker 2: is how do we marry our model? Because almost everyone 419 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:58,120 Speaker 2: in some way has some sort of model to try 420 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 2: to bring rationality to a very difficult process to put 421 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 2: your arms fully around. You have that, you also have, Okay, 422 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 2: how are we going to put together the jigsaw puzzle 423 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:12,960 Speaker 2: of how much money we have to spend, how much 424 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,399 Speaker 2: we're going to are we going to go? Are we 425 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:17,439 Speaker 2: going to spread that around? Are we going to put that, 426 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 2: you know, largely into a couple of players. So there's 427 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 2: that decision to be made, and then there's kind of 428 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 2: that decision of how many voices do you have in 429 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 2: the room, how many voices do you have who have 430 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 2: real pull in this? Is that? Is this going to 431 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 2: be a GM decision, Is it going to be a 432 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 2: scouting director decision? Is it going to be more of 433 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:39,639 Speaker 2: a consensus decision? You know? And that's something that I 434 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,360 Speaker 2: don't even know that they're you know, these don't necessarily 435 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:46,119 Speaker 2: have right answers. Any one of these ways can work, 436 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:49,680 Speaker 2: and any one of these ways can fail. The thing 437 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:51,879 Speaker 2: that has like that, oh yeah, I think you can 438 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:54,399 Speaker 2: be honest about it with the with the Marlins is 439 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 2: when it comes to position players at the top of 440 00:22:57,800 --> 00:22:59,679 Speaker 2: the draft, where they've drafted position players at the top 441 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:03,160 Speaker 2: of the draft in recent years, it has not worked out. 442 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 2: And the thing that is hard to fully explain about 443 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:12,879 Speaker 2: that is, like, I don't think that there's any one 444 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 2: overriding theme. I'm not gonna I can't say, like I 445 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 2: think that the Marlins figured out pretty quickly after they 446 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:24,920 Speaker 2: had Connor Scott that Connor Scott was not the next 447 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 2: Kyle Tucker. I know they went to the same school 448 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,439 Speaker 2: and all that, but they kind of figured out pretty quickly, 449 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 2: Oh okay, this isn't nearly as impactful JJ Bleda. That's 450 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 2: one where I do kind of scratch my head a 451 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:43,399 Speaker 2: little bit because they took a player from one of 452 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:47,200 Speaker 2: the safest and not and there's it's a draft, nothing safe, 453 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 2: but to take a incredibly productive SEC outfielder from Vanderbilt 454 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 2: not a guarantee. But at the same time, that's something 455 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 2: where you generally feel like, okay, as much as we 456 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 2: can mitigate risk by relying on track record, relying on 457 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 2: a very long track record of a player, but they 458 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 2: had some of those aspects and it didn't work out. 459 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,440 Speaker 2: And to be honest, I think that there are similar 460 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 2: fears with Jacob Berry now and that one is one 461 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 2: where it's like, okay, this that wasn't some crazy off 462 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 2: the board pick. That was Jacob Barry was on near 463 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,879 Speaker 2: the top of many teams draft boards, and that the 464 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 2: question comes with that is is and again I don't 465 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 2: have an answer for this. I don't know if the 466 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 2: Marlins have an answer for this, which is, okay, were 467 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 2: they the wrong picks? Where they you know, have they 468 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,879 Speaker 2: have they struggled to develop them. Have it connected the 469 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 2: right way as far as from a development, Yes to 470 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 2: all of the above, but that is something where you know, 471 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 2: it is difficult to explain on some of those. I mean, 472 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 2: obviously Khalil Watson's already been traded, so that's another yea. 473 00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 2: The Marlins, to their credit, the Marlins kind of have 474 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,400 Speaker 2: a track record which is both good and bad. Which 475 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:07,120 Speaker 2: is when they realize that they have a first round 476 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:11,679 Speaker 2: pick that is probably the trade value of them is 477 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,880 Speaker 2: declining year by year. They don't hold on to them. 478 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,479 Speaker 2: Going back to call the Moran, there's other examples like 479 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,960 Speaker 2: they But at the same time, if you trade a 480 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:24,160 Speaker 2: top fifteen pick in the draft within the next couple 481 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 2: of years, very rarely is that a sign that, yeah, 482 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 2: we feel like we really nailed it with that pick. 483 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,439 Speaker 2: It's kind of, unfortunately a double edged sword. I have 484 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 2: heard that, you know, I've heard secondhand that the Marlins 485 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:42,360 Speaker 2: are actually interviewing people I think now for that scouting 486 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:45,720 Speaker 2: director job, and it will be very interesting to see 487 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:49,399 Speaker 2: in what direction they go. But at the same time, 488 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:53,199 Speaker 2: I do think nowadays we talk about the it's very 489 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 2: important that job. The amateur scouting director. At the same time, 490 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 2: these are systems as much as they are individual people 491 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:01,639 Speaker 2: that are involved in this, because it's going to be 492 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:03,880 Speaker 2: how you do your modeling. It's going to be how 493 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:07,199 Speaker 2: you what you allow your scouts, what you allow your 494 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 2: cross checkers, what you know, how many people above the 495 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,439 Speaker 2: scout of director involved in it. There's a lot that 496 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 2: goes into a draft nowadays. 497 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,440 Speaker 4: JJ I do quickly want to touch up on Jacob 498 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,119 Speaker 4: Barry because obviously he's the most recent position player that 499 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,720 Speaker 4: you know, the Marlins have drafted. Just what have you 500 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,360 Speaker 4: noticed about him? Do you still see. 501 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 1: Some hope for Jacob Barry to kind of pan. 502 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,119 Speaker 4: Out to be that guy that the Marlins drafted and 503 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:31,960 Speaker 4: you know kind of what we saw at LSU. Do 504 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 4: you think maybe a change to first base permanently could 505 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,119 Speaker 4: help him because we've seen him struggle at third at times, 506 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:38,719 Speaker 4: but you know, kind of got it a little bit 507 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 4: during the Arizona fall you after first couple of rough 508 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:41,720 Speaker 4: stretches there. 509 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,159 Speaker 2: I do think he's the first basement. I think that 510 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,199 Speaker 2: that and again I think that's something that's kind of 511 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 2: was known. That's that part is not a surprise in 512 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,679 Speaker 2: any way like I don't think anyone watching him at 513 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,959 Speaker 2: else you realistically thought long term that he was going 514 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 2: to be playing somewhere higher up the defensive spectrum. That 515 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,440 Speaker 2: was always kind of viewed as like you were counting 516 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:04,159 Speaker 2: on a bat. Right, the question now becomes, okay, is 517 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:07,360 Speaker 2: the bat? The bat is not as good At this point, 518 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 2: I feel comfortable in saying the bat is not what 519 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 2: you hoped it would be. Right, And I don't mean 520 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 2: that as in like he can't hit the majors or 521 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 2: anything like that. But you draft a player with the 522 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:21,359 Speaker 2: defensive questions that Barry had because you think he's going 523 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 2: to be a well above average offensive player, you know, 524 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 2: to see, like to just take examples, I mean Wyatt 525 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:34,200 Speaker 2: Langford went fourth overall in this past draft, right again, 526 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 2: sec you know, productive in the case of Langford, an 527 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,719 Speaker 2: outfielder who's more athletic. I know it's a better draft, 528 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 2: but Whyatt Langford? Why at Langford found Hi A to 529 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 2: be like comically below his level of you know what 530 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 2: he could play at. You go, they pushed them a 531 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,199 Speaker 2: double A and he's like, oh, this is nice. They 532 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 2: pushed them a triple A and he's like, yeah, this 533 00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 2: is good. I can handle this. That's the kind of 534 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,040 Speaker 2: like you see those things you don't want to say 535 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 2: that you make a rash judgment, a snap judgment off 536 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,399 Speaker 2: of you know, one hundred plate appearances like that. The 537 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,879 Speaker 2: players do show you pretty quickly some aspects of it, 538 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 2: and the fact of it is is that there's power. 539 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,720 Speaker 2: There's real power and buries back. But at the same time, 540 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:20,119 Speaker 2: the swing, decisions to contact rate, the ability to get 541 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:24,919 Speaker 2: to that power all have been problematic so far. You 542 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,720 Speaker 2: still have hope, but at the same time you're probably 543 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:31,680 Speaker 2: like coming out, you know, you would say, like, Okay, 544 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:33,680 Speaker 2: the hope is that this is an above average hitter 545 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 2: with above average power at least, right, and now, I 546 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 2: would say, if you get an average hitter with average power, 547 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 2: or you get at a slightly a fringe average hitter 548 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 2: with above average power, like if you could on that 549 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 2: on that seesaw, that teeter totter of power and hit, 550 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 2: if the two of them can combine to basically be fifties, 551 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,920 Speaker 2: right whatever one is, Like with one sixty one's forty, 552 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,239 Speaker 2: if you can get a fifty average on the too 553 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 2: from him, now, I think that that would be a 554 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 2: good outcome. And again that's just not as impactful as 555 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 2: kind of you're hoping for when you take a guy 556 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 2: that high in the draft. 557 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, so I wanted to ask you about the lower 558 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 4: levels of the minor leagues for the Marlins. Obviously, it 559 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 4: kind of feels like most of that talent, you know, 560 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 4: most of the valuable talent for this team kind of lies. 561 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,920 Speaker 4: And you know, you could say, Hi, a Jupiter fcl 562 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 4: just what are the names that have kind of stuck 563 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 4: out to you, you know, at the lower levels for 564 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:28,480 Speaker 4: the Marlins that you kind of think can kind of 565 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:30,480 Speaker 4: turn out to be, you know, some of the top 566 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:32,320 Speaker 4: prospects for this for this organization. 567 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:37,160 Speaker 2: So I'll answer that a little bit with kind of 568 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,760 Speaker 2: a bigger picture thing, which I'll be interested to see 569 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:43,960 Speaker 2: if this remains the case. Right, What stands out to 570 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,240 Speaker 2: me about the Marlins system at all levels? And I 571 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:50,280 Speaker 2: would say that this is true at Triple A, but 572 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 2: it's also true all the way down. Like you know, 573 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 2: you look at a guy like a Javier Sonoa, you know, 574 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 2: and other guys like that, is that man the Marlins, 575 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,520 Speaker 2: The Luise Arias trade at the big league level, the 576 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:07,000 Speaker 2: Xavier Edwards acquiring Xavier Edwards, you know, the Marlins are 577 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 2: all about getting acquiring signing developing players with real significant 578 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:17,440 Speaker 2: back to ball skills, and that's kind of one of 579 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 2: the things that stands out to me over and over 580 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,840 Speaker 2: and over. I'm going to throw it back on you 581 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:24,480 Speaker 2: guys for a minute. If y'all don't mind, then I'll 582 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,360 Speaker 2: get to come to some other prospects. But I want 583 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 2: to get what you think because I personally, and I 584 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 2: wrote about this like and I'm not trying to troll 585 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 2: anyone or anything, but like, as good as Luise Arias is, 586 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:38,160 Speaker 2: and he was excellent this year, like I think that 587 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 2: I would I personally would rather acquire the Pablo Lopez 588 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,400 Speaker 2: in that deal than the Luise Arias because it's just 589 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 2: so hard, especially if you are a lower revenue, not 590 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:54,720 Speaker 2: a team that's not going to be spending two hundred 591 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,040 Speaker 2: million plus. It's just so hard to get a front 592 00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 2: of the rotation starter. And I do feel like that 593 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 2: Lopez at least what you would say if lopezys is 594 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,360 Speaker 2: if he's starting game one or game two of a 595 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,160 Speaker 2: playoff series, for you, you feel like you got a chance, 596 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,560 Speaker 2: even if you're facing a team that's like throwing a 597 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,720 Speaker 2: Verlander at you or whatever, But what I did wonder 598 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:16,800 Speaker 2: you know what what you all I got. I'm sure 599 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:18,719 Speaker 2: that you all have talked about this before, but what 600 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 2: do you all think as far as like, again, Aria's 601 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,200 Speaker 2: had a great season, do you feel like that that 602 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:27,160 Speaker 2: you would as as people cover the mind, would you 603 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,520 Speaker 2: do that trade again now? Or as like in hindsight, 604 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,920 Speaker 2: you know, I would have probably preferred to hold on 605 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 2: to Lopez. 606 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:39,480 Speaker 5: Right to me, it is still incomplete a bit. Because 607 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:43,200 Speaker 5: the twins acted quickly in extended Lopez with the Marlins. 608 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,520 Speaker 5: What was clear is that they were not interested in 609 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,640 Speaker 5: doing that for him. Part of that being the revenue challenges, 610 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,680 Speaker 5: part of that being their confidence and being able to 611 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 5: create more serviceable starters internally and lacking that confidence to 612 00:31:56,080 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 5: create viable hitters internally. So they I think that was 613 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,120 Speaker 5: the need in understanding your strengths and weaknesses as an 614 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,840 Speaker 5: organization was part of it. But ultimately, the goal I 615 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:10,240 Speaker 5: would think would have been likewise to extend to Rise 616 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:12,960 Speaker 5: even because he is he still has a couple of 617 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,280 Speaker 5: years of control remaining, but he's still so young at 618 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 5: this moment, he's still twenty six years old. He turns 619 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 5: twenty seven early next year. It would look a whole 620 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,360 Speaker 5: lot better, and I'd feel a whole lot better if 621 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,920 Speaker 5: he has for the next half decade. He's in Miami, 622 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:30,360 Speaker 5: and that's somebody where the ceiling is a little bit 623 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 5: more limited than than Pablo is, but the floor is 624 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 5: so exceptionally high just because of that contact rate that 625 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:36,960 Speaker 5: he has. 626 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:42,120 Speaker 6: One hundred and ninety nine hits and into center down 627 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:47,080 Speaker 6: for a base head, not for two hundred for Luisa Ride. 628 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,080 Speaker 5: Honestly, at the time, one of the things I was 629 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,160 Speaker 5: most fixated on was the fact that the Marlins had 630 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:55,440 Speaker 5: to include multiple prospects in addition to Lopez to get 631 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,000 Speaker 5: that deal done. As it turns out, Jose Salas, who 632 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,840 Speaker 5: was somebody we're pretty high on his past season, was 633 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,680 Speaker 5: a bit of a disaster, and who maybe. 634 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,360 Speaker 2: Very like I'm doing the Twins list and I don't 635 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,800 Speaker 2: even know. I'll probably stick him at the back of 636 00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 2: the something where I you know, it's not something where 637 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,560 Speaker 2: I feel like he has to be on the Twins 638 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,480 Speaker 2: thirty this year, which just told you how far he 639 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:21,400 Speaker 2: fell in the past season, in the past year. 640 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:27,120 Speaker 5: Exactly. Yeah, overall, it's I think, regardless of what happens, 641 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:30,160 Speaker 5: it's pretty palatable, but it was because the season he 642 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,400 Speaker 5: just had was so special on a variety of levels. 643 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,920 Speaker 5: He was absolutely beloved internally. A lot of his production 644 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,040 Speaker 5: came in high leverage situations in a way that actually 645 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,920 Speaker 5: made a material difference. And then making the postseason, and 646 00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 5: for them to make the postseason in a full length 647 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,000 Speaker 5: season for the first time in twenty years excluding the 648 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:50,080 Speaker 5: COVID year, that was such a big accomplishment. So from 649 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:54,880 Speaker 5: that standpoint, redo all of it. But it is it 650 00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,560 Speaker 5: continues to be very fastating because so much credit has 651 00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,960 Speaker 5: to go to Lopez. It's I think it's a little 652 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:04,560 Speaker 5: bit revisionist history for people to see him at that 653 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:08,480 Speaker 5: time as a front as an ACE caliber pitcher. He 654 00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:10,680 Speaker 5: seems to be stuck in terms of what to do 655 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,720 Speaker 5: with his breaking ball and the improvement that he made 656 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,640 Speaker 5: in that pitch and changing it to a sweeper and 657 00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,000 Speaker 5: for him to create so much more swing and miss 658 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,840 Speaker 5: than he had even as a Marlin, that that really 659 00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,160 Speaker 5: changed it in hindsight. So the Twins, no doubt are 660 00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:27,040 Speaker 5: happy about it. It's with the Marlins, as they said, 661 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:28,320 Speaker 5: it's still kind of incomplete. 662 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:31,480 Speaker 2: It's fair to say, like would he have had the 663 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,480 Speaker 2: same season in Miami and maybe he wouldn't have and 664 00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,240 Speaker 2: then it becomes a different discussion. But at the same time, 665 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,120 Speaker 2: and again this is true of every org, right like 666 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:44,160 Speaker 2: every org has guys that they seem to click with 667 00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:46,360 Speaker 2: and some other guys that they don't on the pitching side. 668 00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:49,279 Speaker 2: But that said, anytime that you trade someone like that, 669 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,040 Speaker 2: it's like, Wow, they unlocked a new level for that picture. 670 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:56,080 Speaker 2: I think Vida is also time to kind of take 671 00:34:56,120 --> 00:35:00,480 Speaker 2: a little bit of a step back and say, Okay, 672 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:04,040 Speaker 2: why weren't we able to unlock that next level. At 673 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:07,840 Speaker 2: the same time, but to answer your your your previous question, 674 00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,520 Speaker 2: camp Alderman is a guy that I've always kind of found, 675 00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,640 Speaker 2: you know, kind of interesting. Like I will be honest, 676 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,560 Speaker 2: I don't think there is not I don't look at 677 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:22,000 Speaker 2: the Marlins lower levels right now as something that is 678 00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:27,080 Speaker 2: basically where I don't see levels where I jump out 679 00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:28,799 Speaker 2: and go, oh, how are they going to figure out 680 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,719 Speaker 2: ways to spread the at bats around because they have 681 00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,880 Speaker 2: so many guys who really you know, who need that 682 00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:38,719 Speaker 2: or Okay, man, they've got seven starters for the you know, 683 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,880 Speaker 2: for that for that level, you know, to fit into 684 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:45,920 Speaker 2: a rotation. Are they going to have to go are 685 00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,879 Speaker 2: going to hand them start, you know, or things like that. 686 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:52,440 Speaker 2: You look at where we're kind of wrapping up our 687 00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,640 Speaker 2: are our top thirty that we'll be finishing up for 688 00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,120 Speaker 2: the handbook and and in it. We do have a 689 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:02,719 Speaker 2: number of you know, more recent signees, but a lot 690 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:04,839 Speaker 2: of them are more guys who's like, Okay, that guy 691 00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:08,080 Speaker 2: might be a reliever. Okay, that was a good international signing, 692 00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:11,239 Speaker 2: but he struggled when he came to the States. There's 693 00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,239 Speaker 2: not like a I think there's a lot of work 694 00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,040 Speaker 2: to be done here, you know, to be honest, like 695 00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:20,719 Speaker 2: from a standpoint of depth, and but the other part 696 00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:22,759 Speaker 2: of it is is like and again to kind of 697 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,879 Speaker 2: make this a conversation like okay, where are where are 698 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:30,160 Speaker 2: the Marlins? Like getting to the playoffs was great and 699 00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:35,399 Speaker 2: again that is a something well worth you know, plaudits, 700 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,360 Speaker 2: and it is kind of strange how things have happened 701 00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:42,440 Speaker 2: since then. That Kim Aang you know, leads the team 702 00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:46,160 Speaker 2: to their first uh play non you know, full season 703 00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:51,640 Speaker 2: playoff appearance in two decades and is gone soon thereafter, 704 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:55,319 Speaker 2: is you know, is a very odd situation. But I 705 00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:58,399 Speaker 2: don't know where this team is just like, okay, does 706 00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:01,960 Speaker 2: that mean that the goal for twenty four is to 707 00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:05,080 Speaker 2: build on that, which I kind of feel like, I 708 00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,560 Speaker 2: feel like expecting a playoff spot again in twenty four 709 00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:12,840 Speaker 2: would be pretty difficult right now? Or is it okay, 710 00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,359 Speaker 2: this team that was great now it needs to take 711 00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:19,840 Speaker 2: kind of a consolidation step back. But if that's the case, 712 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:24,680 Speaker 2: I don't know where. I don't think twenty five looks 713 00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:26,719 Speaker 2: brighter than twenty four right now. You kind of have 714 00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,480 Speaker 2: unless you're going to do a full tear down. You 715 00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,400 Speaker 2: have a number of players who are kind of in 716 00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,799 Speaker 2: the primes of their careers, especially you know, you look 717 00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,640 Speaker 2: on the pitching side, they've done a very good job. Like, Okay, 718 00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:39,719 Speaker 2: where are you going to take that? Like, is it 719 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,920 Speaker 2: something where this is the team that's looking to contend 720 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:47,239 Speaker 2: or this is the team that's looking to, you know, 721 00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:50,439 Speaker 2: be an eighty two, eighty three, eighty four win team 722 00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,120 Speaker 2: and maybe that's enough, you know, to kind of sneak 723 00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:56,880 Speaker 2: in the playoffs or I don't know with all the 724 00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,400 Speaker 2: change over, No, I'm not yet certain on kind of 725 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,279 Speaker 2: what the whether it's a short term goal or a 726 00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,759 Speaker 2: long term goal of where this team is kind of 727 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:06,719 Speaker 2: aiming you guys have a better sense of that than 728 00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:08,560 Speaker 2: I do you know, what do you what do you 729 00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:09,000 Speaker 2: all say? 730 00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, the losses that they've had, I mean, you lose 731 00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:18,239 Speaker 1: Silai rate now next year, this after this year, you're 732 00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:21,840 Speaker 1: looking at losing Bill most likely as well. And plus 733 00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:25,320 Speaker 1: you still have the glaring holes that we just talked about, 734 00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,680 Speaker 1: you know, catcher and shortstop being the main two, with 735 00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,440 Speaker 1: not much internal talent that's going to be ready in 736 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,640 Speaker 1: the next couple of years to draw from. I don't 737 00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:35,440 Speaker 1: think I mean we're talking about prospects. I don't think 738 00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,640 Speaker 1: we've mentioned many, especially at those positions, especially with Ronald 739 00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:39,439 Speaker 1: Hernandez gone. 740 00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:41,560 Speaker 2: You know, he's even a few. 741 00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:43,600 Speaker 1: Years away for the match, but that would have been somebody, 742 00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:48,160 Speaker 1: but they traded him for David Robertson, you know. So again, 743 00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,200 Speaker 1: I think it was ships all in in twenty three 744 00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:53,279 Speaker 1: and twenty four. I think it's going to be a 745 00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,800 Speaker 1: rough year and I don't see it being a playoff 746 00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:59,400 Speaker 1: contention contending team in twenty five either. Honestly, JJ I 747 00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,239 Speaker 1: would say this is going to They're going to need 748 00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:04,120 Speaker 1: to do a lot of internal work with the minor 749 00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,400 Speaker 1: league system, honestly, in my opinion. 750 00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,719 Speaker 2: And I mean when you say this like Ketcher is shortstop. 751 00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,600 Speaker 2: I don't feel are particularly positions of strength, like you 752 00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:19,279 Speaker 2: look at Ketcher. I know that they just drafted joke, 753 00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:23,279 Speaker 2: they've put draft capital into it, Joe Mack, Will Banfield. 754 00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:27,600 Speaker 2: But I don't think that you can comfortably say with 755 00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:30,080 Speaker 2: either of them right now, that's someone that you could 756 00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:33,960 Speaker 2: count on as a regular. And that is an example, 757 00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:38,000 Speaker 2: like again, that's always a tricky position, right, like especially 758 00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:41,160 Speaker 2: like when you take a guy like Will Banfield, he 759 00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:46,760 Speaker 2: was love first high school catcher. Sometimes it happens, sometimes 760 00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,520 Speaker 2: it does, but that's a risky to say, like, Okay, 761 00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,360 Speaker 2: the bat's going to develop at a very brutal position. 762 00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:56,239 Speaker 2: To develop is always tough. So you have that they've 763 00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:59,800 Speaker 2: tried it shortstop, right Like I mean again, draft capital 764 00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:04,640 Speaker 2: is been Khalil Watson. I look, we were wrong on it, 765 00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:06,600 Speaker 2: like we have. BA thought that was great value to 766 00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:11,320 Speaker 2: get Khalil Watson where he did. But I did not 767 00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:14,279 Speaker 2: foresee a strikeout rate where you had to kind of 768 00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:17,720 Speaker 2: look at it, did I Did I read that wrong? 769 00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,280 Speaker 2: Look at it again? It's like no, I read that right, okay, 770 00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,640 Speaker 2: And then that's you know, before long, you turn around 771 00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,640 Speaker 2: and you're like Okay, obviously he's no longer in the organization, 772 00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:30,480 Speaker 2: and you look at it like those are positions. I 773 00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:36,120 Speaker 2: don't know what you know, shortstop? I it's John Birdie 774 00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:37,719 Speaker 2: right now, right like that would be you know, like 775 00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:41,080 Speaker 2: if if the season began today. And I don't think 776 00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,200 Speaker 2: that's the ideal role for him, Like I think he's 777 00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,880 Speaker 2: a good player, but that's not the idea. 778 00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,879 Speaker 1: Want to experience with. Apparently, according to Bendix, they want 779 00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:51,719 Speaker 1: to experience with Xavier Edwards at shortstop. I don't think 780 00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:53,200 Speaker 1: that's gonna wind up the best. I don't think he 781 00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:56,560 Speaker 1: is a shortstop. But that's what Bendix was saying. But yeah, 782 00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:58,719 Speaker 1: there's no true shortstop, is what we're saying, right. 783 00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:04,040 Speaker 2: I will say when Xavier Edwards again, I've done the 784 00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:08,759 Speaker 2: rais list for a number of years in the Rays organization. 785 00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:11,480 Speaker 2: Obviously it was originally a padre. But in the Rays 786 00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:16,440 Speaker 2: organization they never thought that he was an everyday short stuff. 787 00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:19,080 Speaker 2: Could he play there? Okay? Yeah? But like but if 788 00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:21,080 Speaker 2: you want to get the most out of him, he's 789 00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:24,640 Speaker 2: a second baseman. He's a you could probably playim at thirties, okay, 790 00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:26,239 Speaker 2: at third You could put him in the outfit if 791 00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:28,520 Speaker 2: you wanted to, all those things are very possible. But 792 00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,799 Speaker 2: shortstop is is you're asking a lot from him. And 793 00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:36,680 Speaker 2: also there's always the concern is it gonna detract a 794 00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,759 Speaker 2: little bit from what he does at other positions? You know, 795 00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,000 Speaker 2: at the plate I should say, you know, if you 796 00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:44,719 Speaker 2: ask him to do something like that, But again, you 797 00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:49,239 Speaker 2: have to be a little creative when you don't. You know, 798 00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:52,920 Speaker 2: there's I don't think that that that they're gonna you 799 00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,040 Speaker 2: know that they're gonna be signing a big free agent 800 00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:57,120 Speaker 2: to come into that position either. So you're gonna have 801 00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:59,560 Speaker 2: to probably be a little bit creative, and there's not 802 00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,160 Speaker 2: a internal answer otherwise probably. 803 00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:04,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, I guess we can get some one 804 00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,520 Speaker 1: more middle infield guy that we thought was going to 805 00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:10,120 Speaker 1: be good, kind of like salas Uh and Khalil, who's 806 00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:15,240 Speaker 1: non no longer here we can talk about YETI kape Uh, 807 00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:17,560 Speaker 1: this is a prospect who we were quite high on 808 00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:21,680 Speaker 1: Marlin's and for good money coming out of the International draft, 809 00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:24,040 Speaker 1: like close to three million dollars uh. So that's a 810 00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:27,680 Speaker 1: pretty high priced international free agent rate. And it has 811 00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:29,840 Speaker 1: not been good for Kipey. They threw him up in 812 00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,920 Speaker 1: high A this year, uh, astronomical strikeout rate, barely walked. 813 00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:37,880 Speaker 1: His largest strengths that we were were that we know 814 00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,160 Speaker 1: of from reports that you guys do in other outlets 815 00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:42,759 Speaker 1: as well, are bats to ball skills and contact rates, 816 00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:44,560 Speaker 1: and he did not show much of that at all either. 817 00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:46,640 Speaker 2: So, I mean we were. 818 00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:48,120 Speaker 1: Talking about guys that are gonna sink on your list, 819 00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:50,759 Speaker 1: like Salas. What do you make of Kapey? I mean, 820 00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:54,680 Speaker 1: still very young, he's playing you know, much older competition, 821 00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:56,640 Speaker 1: especially in hy A this year he did. 822 00:42:58,239 --> 00:42:59,319 Speaker 2: Is there still. 823 00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:01,839 Speaker 1: Away for this guy to figure it out? 824 00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:04,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's definitely still away from to figure it out. 825 00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,560 Speaker 2: He is still young, as you said, there's still some 826 00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:10,360 Speaker 2: potential here. I do think it is kind of a 827 00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:12,480 Speaker 2: little bit like I think though, he is also moving 828 00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:16,160 Speaker 2: down the defensive spectrum, right, Like I think at this 829 00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:18,440 Speaker 2: point you're kind of your hope is the second baseman, 830 00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:20,840 Speaker 2: but he also could end up being an outfielder. I 831 00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:23,200 Speaker 2: think what r It'saul said and done is a possibility 832 00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:26,400 Speaker 2: as well. Like I don't think, you know, like the 833 00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,640 Speaker 2: trend is heading in the direction that you're kind of hoping, 834 00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:31,200 Speaker 2: It's not as far as like, well, why is this 835 00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:36,120 Speaker 2: defensive home and obviously you start this and you're like, okay, 836 00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:41,400 Speaker 2: let's be honest. You know, most every one of these guys, 837 00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:43,719 Speaker 2: you know, most every prospect starts out at shortstop in 838 00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:47,319 Speaker 2: a lot of cases, right, Like, Like, it's funny when 839 00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:51,799 Speaker 2: we talk about international signings amateurs, we almost have it's 840 00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:55,040 Speaker 2: like a list. It's like shortstop, third base. If you're 841 00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:57,640 Speaker 2: a left handed, hit her outfield or catch her right 842 00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:01,040 Speaker 2: no one signs the second basement. No one signs as 843 00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:05,800 Speaker 2: a first baseman. You Jalen Ortieve was two hundred and 844 00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:08,000 Speaker 2: eighty pounds, and by the way, credit to him, he's 845 00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:10,160 Speaker 2: been playing at right field for many years now, but 846 00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:12,520 Speaker 2: he did sign as a first basement, as a two 847 00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:15,279 Speaker 2: hundred and eighty pounds, you know, sixteen year old. So 848 00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:18,000 Speaker 2: when you say they signed a shortstop, it's like, okay, 849 00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:22,800 Speaker 2: that means athletic grows right handed and is athletic enough 850 00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:26,719 Speaker 2: to start, you know, and then slide down the spectrum. 851 00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:29,879 Speaker 2: But that said, I think that there was hope here. 852 00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,720 Speaker 2: And it's like, you know, defensively, he's not as smooth 853 00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:35,640 Speaker 2: as maybe kind of we had hoped when he signed, 854 00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:37,839 Speaker 2: but I do think there's still hope there. I mean, 855 00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:41,520 Speaker 2: we've we've got him sixth on our list because in 856 00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:44,360 Speaker 2: an organization that that kind of needs guys with upside, 857 00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:47,360 Speaker 2: there is still you know, there's still some there's still 858 00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:51,919 Speaker 2: some potential for some offensive impact there. JJ. 859 00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:53,440 Speaker 4: Another guy I want to ask you about. One of 860 00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:56,320 Speaker 4: the players that was actually protected from the Rule five 861 00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,879 Speaker 4: was on Victim Mason Junior, who kind of made a lot, 862 00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:02,440 Speaker 4: been making some strides going from one year to another, 863 00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:04,400 Speaker 4: turning out to be one of the top prospects in 864 00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:06,920 Speaker 4: this organization. What have you seen from him that? What 865 00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,480 Speaker 4: are what are I guess the biggest improvements you've seen 866 00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:12,000 Speaker 4: from someone like VMJ? And what would you say is 867 00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:14,200 Speaker 4: kind of his ETA at the big league level? You know, 868 00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:16,680 Speaker 4: this is a guy who maybe starts at Triple A 869 00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:19,560 Speaker 4: this upcoming season, gets a couple reps there, and this 870 00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:22,919 Speaker 4: is a guy who you know, may have a big 871 00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:27,200 Speaker 4: breakout year for for for Miami at the at the 872 00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:29,279 Speaker 4: Triple A level there where it's a short porch and 873 00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,279 Speaker 4: right and you know you kind of tap into some 874 00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:33,560 Speaker 4: power there as well. 875 00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:37,120 Speaker 2: Twenty twenty four I think is not a crazy like 876 00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:39,960 Speaker 2: end of twenty twenty four is not a crazy ETA's 877 00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:42,319 Speaker 2: middle of twenty twenty four, depending on, you know, kind 878 00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:46,319 Speaker 2: of how things go. But to his credit, like, hey, 879 00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:49,799 Speaker 2: there was a time where it was hard to keep 880 00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:52,719 Speaker 2: track of your your victor, your your your victor. Masis right, 881 00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:54,440 Speaker 2: you know we had your victor victor. You know we 882 00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:57,400 Speaker 2: had your and we now it's it's easier to keep 883 00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:00,879 Speaker 2: track of now. I do think that in his case, 884 00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:04,319 Speaker 2: like he's become a a more well rounded player than 885 00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:06,840 Speaker 2: probably you know that I expected. I would say, I 886 00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:09,359 Speaker 2: don't want to put anyone else, but then I expected that. 887 00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:13,560 Speaker 2: I think that there's just not a lot that he 888 00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:16,759 Speaker 2: doesn't do reasonably well, right, Like it's not a lot 889 00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:19,279 Speaker 2: of it's not a lot of sixes and sevens on 890 00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:22,840 Speaker 2: the scouting report, but there's also not really many fours. 891 00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:26,920 Speaker 2: It's forty five, fifties, fifty fives. There's a lot of 892 00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:31,120 Speaker 2: average to above average tools here. And to his credit, 893 00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:35,600 Speaker 2: he's also shown this year after year after year that 894 00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:39,160 Speaker 2: he's that he does have the ability to make improvements, 895 00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:42,359 Speaker 2: he does have the ability to add refinements, and that 896 00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:45,520 Speaker 2: kind of has him now on the on the cuffs. 897 00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:45,799 Speaker 6: Now. 898 00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,840 Speaker 2: I don't think that he's going to be you know, 899 00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:51,120 Speaker 2: a perennial as star or anything like that. But I 900 00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:54,279 Speaker 2: do think that he could very well the Marlins must 901 00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:56,279 Speaker 2: be just honest about it. The Marlins have had a 902 00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:59,760 Speaker 2: lot of flawed outfield prospects in recent years, right, players 903 00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:04,960 Speaker 2: who if everything breaks right, could be really good. But 904 00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:07,719 Speaker 2: there were always these kind of like big ifs, right 905 00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,799 Speaker 2: like Peyton Burdick. I've liked Peyton Burdick for a long time, 906 00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:12,719 Speaker 2: but Peyton Burdick was always the prospect where it was 907 00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:16,320 Speaker 2: like if this happens, and this happens, and this happens, 908 00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:19,279 Speaker 2: and look what you've got. Or JJ Bleday, like we 909 00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:22,640 Speaker 2: got to wasn't very long into the process that we 910 00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:26,640 Speaker 2: got just like, Okay, we're probably gonna have to live 911 00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:30,279 Speaker 2: with some again. There are threes and fours on JJ 912 00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:34,399 Speaker 2: Bleday's card we have discovered. In Mas's case, it's kind 913 00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:37,880 Speaker 2: of more of a well rounded package where it's like, okay, 914 00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:44,600 Speaker 2: you know, credit to him. He's it's easy to see 915 00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:48,160 Speaker 2: a way that he's a very productive, useful big league 916 00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:51,600 Speaker 2: even regular, even if he's not a star. You need 917 00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:53,920 Speaker 2: players like that, and I think that's where Mesa kind 918 00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:56,200 Speaker 2: of has a path to be, which is like a 919 00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:59,880 Speaker 2: guy that you look back in and go, Okay, he 920 00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:03,000 Speaker 2: wasn't you know, he's a two and a half war player. 921 00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:05,400 Speaker 2: He's not a five war player, but you need to know, 922 00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:08,399 Speaker 2: especially when you have rookiees, second year, third year guys 923 00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:09,799 Speaker 2: who are two and a half war players. That's a 924 00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:10,680 Speaker 2: really useful player. 925 00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:15,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, he was great and screen like eye popping and 926 00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:18,479 Speaker 1: spring training too. It's really good from the start. So yeah, 927 00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,120 Speaker 1: great year for him and the Marlins got something out 928 00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:22,319 Speaker 1: of a lot of money that they spent on. Both 929 00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:24,839 Speaker 1: those guys or look to get some hope they got something, 930 00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:27,000 Speaker 1: and it looks like they very likely will as you said, 931 00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:31,520 Speaker 1: So yeah, I guess we could do one more JJ 932 00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:32,719 Speaker 1: before we get out for the day. This has been 933 00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:37,399 Speaker 1: awesome talking with JJ Cooper from Baseball America. Simple questions 934 00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:39,680 Speaker 1: rounded out Man. We went through a lot in this episode. 935 00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:41,680 Speaker 1: We went through player dev we went through drafting, We 936 00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:43,640 Speaker 1: went through talent that they have, talent that they got 937 00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,160 Speaker 1: rid of. The final question for the show is man. 938 00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:48,440 Speaker 1: Like we said earlier el I was talking about it, 939 00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:50,680 Speaker 1: this was a system that was not too long ago, 940 00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:53,239 Speaker 1: very highly touted for the talent that they had. Some 941 00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:56,480 Speaker 1: didn't work out, some got traded since then because of 942 00:48:56,520 --> 00:49:01,000 Speaker 1: a variety of reasons. It's likely a bottom tier system 943 00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:03,759 Speaker 1: in Major League Baseball for being honest right now, So 944 00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:07,959 Speaker 1: the question is overall, what will it take a change 945 00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:10,160 Speaker 1: in mindset, a change in drafting, a complete overhall and 946 00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:12,680 Speaker 1: player development. What is it going to take for this 947 00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:15,839 Speaker 1: system to get back to where it needs to be 948 00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:19,560 Speaker 1: For a team that annually doesn't have a high payroll, 949 00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:21,160 Speaker 1: that needs to draw from minor leagues kind of be 950 00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:23,680 Speaker 1: the feeder system. How can Marlins get back to that state? 951 00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:29,080 Speaker 2: Well, so I'll start with, like the thing to give 952 00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:31,120 Speaker 2: them credit I will give them credit for is is 953 00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:33,160 Speaker 2: like if you look back at when it's not that 954 00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:37,279 Speaker 2: many years ago that the Marlins were very a top 955 00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:41,399 Speaker 2: tier farm system, who their credit? I would say that 956 00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:46,960 Speaker 2: they a lot of those guys somewhat lived up to expectations, right, Like, 957 00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:50,960 Speaker 2: I mean, it is something where six dos Sanchez's shoulder 958 00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:55,360 Speaker 2: injury is one of those what could have been right 959 00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:59,440 Speaker 2: because he showed it in the majors. When we talk 960 00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:02,960 Speaker 2: about you the first playoff appearance in a full season 961 00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:06,279 Speaker 2: since you know in twenty years, well, they did make 962 00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:09,359 Speaker 2: the playoffs, and who was a key part of them 963 00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:12,840 Speaker 2: making the playoffs. Siic no Sanchez. So that was twenty 964 00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:15,880 Speaker 2: twenty in the sixty game season, and that's one of 965 00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:17,680 Speaker 2: those where you do just kind of shake your head. 966 00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:21,799 Speaker 2: And I got to give also credit, like credit for 967 00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:25,080 Speaker 2: the Hazus Uzardo trade that they have made trades where 968 00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:28,800 Speaker 2: they did a good job of kind of taking advantage 969 00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:32,719 Speaker 2: of prospect fatigue. You know, a guy like Luzardo who 970 00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:36,600 Speaker 2: was incredibly highly regarded prospect, it had not started, you know, 971 00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:38,200 Speaker 2: from the start, it did not work in Oakland when 972 00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:41,359 Speaker 2: he made the majors, and they just kept They're like, nope, 973 00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:44,520 Speaker 2: we'll take them. Kudos to them. So like I look 974 00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:46,799 Speaker 2: at you know, you look at a Cabrera, you look 975 00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:49,680 Speaker 2: at you know, they've they've had guys. I mean Josh, 976 00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:52,879 Speaker 2: you know, Josh Norris for us, you know, has kind 977 00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:55,880 Speaker 2: of always kind of been a believer in you know, 978 00:50:56,040 --> 00:51:00,120 Speaker 2: in multiple pictures in the in the Marlins system, but 979 00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:03,560 Speaker 2: probably most importantly Ury Perez. Like from a minute he 980 00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:06,839 Speaker 2: saw Ury Perez, he thought he was pretty special. And 981 00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:10,160 Speaker 2: those guys like this is all these are all good 982 00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:14,000 Speaker 2: things that did turn out. Jazz Chislm, you know turned out. 983 00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:17,120 Speaker 2: You know, these are guys where it's like, Okay, what 984 00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:21,200 Speaker 2: it needs though, is well, one, you can't you're not 985 00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:23,200 Speaker 2: going to hit on every draft pick, and especially you're 986 00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:24,560 Speaker 2: not even gonna hit on every draft pick in the 987 00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:27,759 Speaker 2: top ten. But that said, got to be a better 988 00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:30,000 Speaker 2: success rate than what we've seen. If you have top 989 00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:34,800 Speaker 2: fifteen picks, you're you want to be having a pretty 990 00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:38,520 Speaker 2: high success rate with those, and that's just not been 991 00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:41,400 Speaker 2: the case in recent years for the Marlins. If you 992 00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:45,160 Speaker 2: have a top five pick, it's really crushing. If you 993 00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:47,439 Speaker 2: have a top five pick, If that top five pick 994 00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:51,279 Speaker 2: turns into an okay, big leaguer, not great, You can 995 00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:55,279 Speaker 2: live with that. If they become someone who's not even like, 996 00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:59,239 Speaker 2: you know, not even a regular, that really hurts. And 997 00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:02,040 Speaker 2: that's kind of that's that's been I think of Marlin's problem. 998 00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:06,520 Speaker 2: But the other is is kind of to go back 999 00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:09,000 Speaker 2: to the big picture here is is okay, so what 1000 00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:11,839 Speaker 2: is the and I think this is where the change over. 1001 00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:14,200 Speaker 2: This is where you can whether it's ownership or whatever, 1002 00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:19,200 Speaker 2: what is the goal here? Right? Because I think that 1003 00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:22,919 Speaker 2: one thing that is a little bit difficult here is 1004 00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:26,560 Speaker 2: it is the goal is last year the goal? Right? 1005 00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:31,200 Speaker 2: And that's that sounds bad. But that's actually not right. 1006 00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:34,720 Speaker 2: Like if you said, our goal is is that every 1007 00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:36,759 Speaker 2: few years we're going to make the playoffs, and we 1008 00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:38,759 Speaker 2: believe that if we get lucky, we can be Look 1009 00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:42,440 Speaker 2: look at what the Diamondbacks did, right, the Diamondbacks. We're not. 1010 00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:45,600 Speaker 2: No one looked at the Diamondbacks during the regular season 1011 00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:49,920 Speaker 2: has said, man, this team is just unstoppable to get 1012 00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:52,600 Speaker 2: hot at the right time. And which, by the way, 1013 00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:55,680 Speaker 2: this is the you know, this is the Marlins history 1014 00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:58,080 Speaker 2: that drives some other fan bases I believe in the 1015 00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:00,839 Speaker 2: NL East a little bit crazy. Is the Marlins are 1016 00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:04,560 Speaker 2: the perfect example of Look, okay, that's very nice, Braves, 1017 00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:08,080 Speaker 2: congratulations you keep going to the playoffs year after year 1018 00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:11,160 Speaker 2: after year after year. And oh yeah, by the way, 1019 00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:13,880 Speaker 2: you won one World Series, you know with the Maddox 1020 00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:17,719 Speaker 2: Glavin ship bird dah dah dah, we won two, you know, 1021 00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:20,960 Speaker 2: so we're way more efficient on winning World Series with 1022 00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:25,399 Speaker 2: this that that could be a goal. If that's the goal, okay, well, 1023 00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:28,000 Speaker 2: then go towards that goal. If the goal is is no, 1024 00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:30,640 Speaker 2: we want to be everyone wants to be long term 1025 00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:33,840 Speaker 2: sustainable success, that's really hard to do. But if the 1026 00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:36,560 Speaker 2: goal is is like, look, World Series or bust. Okay, 1027 00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:40,440 Speaker 2: then strip this back down to the studs, right like, 1028 00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:42,439 Speaker 2: I mean, it's not gonna be fun for a few years. 1029 00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:46,799 Speaker 2: But then trade guys, you know, as they hit your 1030 00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:50,200 Speaker 2: three four five, where you can get real value for them, 1031 00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:54,399 Speaker 2: because there's not the makings right now of a team 1032 00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:57,040 Speaker 2: that's going to win a World Series. It but I 1033 00:53:57,200 --> 00:53:59,440 Speaker 2: kind of think that A is probably a better approach 1034 00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:01,800 Speaker 2: for the Marlins right now than B, because b's just 1035 00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:04,880 Speaker 2: a lot of pain and no guarantee of success in 1036 00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:07,719 Speaker 2: twenty twenty six. And I don't think also that the 1037 00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:11,640 Speaker 2: rules now are set up in a way where I 1038 00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:14,600 Speaker 2: think A you might have as much chance of getting 1039 00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:16,800 Speaker 2: to B by trying the A approach as well of 1040 00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:21,879 Speaker 2: sustainable eighty five wins, because look, if you fall short 1041 00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:24,080 Speaker 2: of that a little bit. Look at what just happened 1042 00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:27,040 Speaker 2: with the Reds, right like, Okay, they didn't make the playoffs, 1043 00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:32,000 Speaker 2: they got the second pick, and that could next year's 1044 00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:34,360 Speaker 2: draft may not be the example to do this, but 1045 00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:37,040 Speaker 2: the Twins who were in the playoffs this year got 1046 00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:39,240 Speaker 2: the fifth pick a year ago in a five player 1047 00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:41,239 Speaker 2: top tier draft. They got a guy who could be 1048 00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:44,759 Speaker 2: a stut at five overall, you don't have to win 1049 00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:48,440 Speaker 2: fifty five games to do that. In fact, the A's 1050 00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:51,480 Speaker 2: have averaged fifty five wins the last two years, and 1051 00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:54,279 Speaker 2: they're now guaranteed to not have a top three pick 1052 00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:58,000 Speaker 2: in three straight drafts. So I do think that there's 1053 00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:00,439 Speaker 2: a path to this. It's going to take some time. 1054 00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:03,520 Speaker 2: It's going to take a little bit more stability than 1055 00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:07,280 Speaker 2: the Marlins have had in recent years, because we've essentially 1056 00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:10,440 Speaker 2: had now three regimes in some ways, and that's not 1057 00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:13,960 Speaker 2: a fault of any one person or anything except for 1058 00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:17,880 Speaker 2: maybe ownership. From the standpoint though, we had the Derek 1059 00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:20,759 Speaker 2: Jeter and I say this regime because it was kind 1060 00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:23,640 Speaker 2: of Derek Jeter run the show. And then then we 1061 00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:26,759 Speaker 2: had Kim Ang come in, and Kim Ang, understandably and 1062 00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:29,680 Speaker 2: I think this is logical and should happen, brought in 1063 00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:33,080 Speaker 2: some of her people. And then now Kim Ang's out, 1064 00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:35,000 Speaker 2: and now Peter Bendix is going to bring in some 1065 00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:37,960 Speaker 2: of I would assume his people. But the thing that 1066 00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:41,560 Speaker 2: happens with that is is that's a lot of changeover. 1067 00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:43,960 Speaker 2: That's a lot of You're going to have people in 1068 00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:46,400 Speaker 2: the Marvel, You're gonna have players in the Martins organization 1069 00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:52,200 Speaker 2: who have had kind of different voices and different approaches 1070 00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:57,160 Speaker 2: presented to them multiple times during their career. Having a 1071 00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:00,439 Speaker 2: little bit more stability is in the law long run 1072 00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:01,759 Speaker 2: potentially beneficial. 1073 00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:06,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, identity of this team is sell out. What are 1074 00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:08,759 Speaker 1: they doing long term right and what approach will they take? 1075 00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:11,319 Speaker 1: And continue to follow it on fish on first, I'm 1076 00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:13,200 Speaker 1: sure JJ will follow it from the prospects side of 1077 00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:15,759 Speaker 1: course with Baseball America with all that he does there, Guys, 1078 00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:17,279 Speaker 1: go subscribe to this man and all of that his 1079 00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:19,640 Speaker 1: staff does. You can get a subscription for as low 1080 00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:22,160 Speaker 1: as eight dollars and thirty three cents monthly if you 1081 00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:26,160 Speaker 1: subscribe for the annual subscription. It's fantastic stuff. If you 1082 00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:29,760 Speaker 1: like prospects, if you like anything related to major league prospects, 1083 00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:33,399 Speaker 1: minor league prospects. Guys are coming up, top thirty lists, 1084 00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:36,880 Speaker 1: top ten lists, They do literally everything. It's a fantastic resource. 1085 00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:39,279 Speaker 1: And JJ's behind dollars editor in chief. So man, JJ, 1086 00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:42,080 Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming on today. This was awesome, 1087 00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:44,720 Speaker 1: just kind of going through everything, state of the system, 1088 00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:48,080 Speaker 1: draft player dev, who's here, who's not? Rule five? Everything? 1089 00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:50,560 Speaker 1: It was fantastic so again from all of us, thank 1090 00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:51,520 Speaker 1: you so much Man for your time. 1091 00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:52,440 Speaker 2: This was awesome. 1092 00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:55,680 Speaker 1: We really really appreciate it. Amazing stuff. 1093 00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:57,520 Speaker 2: Thank you again. You guys do good work. I enjoy 1094 00:56:57,600 --> 00:56:59,080 Speaker 2: coming on with you guys, so thank you all.