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It's been seventeen years since Molly Bish vanished. 19 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: Her remains were found on the Central Massachusetts mountain side 20 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 1: three years later. The case remains unsolved. It's an open investigation. 21 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 1: We're constantly getting tips and leads on it. Initially, Molly's 22 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 1: disappearance wasn't thought to be an abduction. There is ranged 23 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 1: from Molly running away to being somewhere with her friends. 24 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 1: I don't feel like she would run away and she 25 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:41,680 Speaker 1: was gone hiding out. I didn't have that feeling. There's 26 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 1: pieces out there that we just need to fit together 27 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 1: that's going to allow us to move forward with the investigation. 28 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:58,279 Speaker 1: Does June mean anything to you? Does June twenty seven, 29 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 1: two thousand mean anything to you? It does to me. 30 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: That is the year that we have all been looking 31 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 1: for Molly Bush m June thousand. Every time June rolls around, 32 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 1: I think about Molly Bush, and almost every day in between. 33 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 1: Why what happened to a beautiful, beautiful young girl Molly 34 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 1: Bish Joining me right right now is a special guest, 35 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:58,359 Speaker 1: Maggie Bush and her daughter Heather. I Nancy Grace, this 36 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:02,640 Speaker 1: is Crime Stories to thank you for being with us. Maggie. 37 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 1: I can't tell you what it means to me to 38 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 1: get to speak to you again and to meet your 39 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: beautiful daughter Heather. Just you know, it's funny. It's funny 40 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 1: how you never think. I would never when I was little, 41 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:28,360 Speaker 1: I would never have thought, Wow, some the greatest people 42 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 1: ever made in my life are going to be crime victims. 43 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: You know, you don't think about that when you're planning 44 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 1: your future. There's some kind of a bond between violent 45 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 1: crime victims that I can't really explain it. But I'll start, 46 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 1: Maggie with telling you. I don't know if you know 47 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 1: how many prayers go up every day about you and 48 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 1: Molly and your family. I'll just start with that and 49 00:03:56,040 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 1: then to you. It was molly eighth day at a 50 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 1: brand new job as a lifeguard. She was just sixteen. 51 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 1: It's a hot summer day. Do you remember that day, Maggie, Oh, 52 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 1: how I do? Um Again, we had just gotten out 53 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 1: of school. I'm a school teacher, and UH had cleaned 54 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:26,719 Speaker 1: your room and I had I actually was special that teacher, 55 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 1: and I had some some U I e. Piece some 56 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 1: work to complete, and so we were all kind of 57 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 1: buzzing a little bit. You know. Molly had a new job, 58 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 1: my son had just trained her, and um, I had 59 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 1: taken her to work the day before, and it was 60 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 1: kind of a little unsettling. We had seen a car 61 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 1: that day parked in the parking lot and there was 62 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: only one white vehicle, and Molly got out and she 63 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:57,920 Speaker 1: was very excited and said, I, Mom, I love you, 64 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:00,359 Speaker 1: see you later, you know. When just she had to 65 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 1: get some supplies ready and go down to the beach. 66 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 1: It was the first week of the swimming lessons for 67 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 1: the town kids. So we live in a very small community, 68 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 1: only four thousand folks, one traffic light, beautiful town in 69 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:19,360 Speaker 1: the central Massachusetts. Well, Molly went off and I see 70 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 1: this vehicle on this man and he ends up kind 71 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 1: of staring at me, and I get kind of unnerved, 72 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 1: and I said, I can't leave Molly here. What is 73 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 1: this guy doing here? So I head to the beach 74 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 1: and meet her and we sit and it is a 75 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 1: very lovely little place and it's kind of again it's 76 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 1: down a main street, but it's also kind of isolated, 77 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 1: and um. We sit, we talked and I really we 78 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 1: haven't talked a whole lot about danger, but we talked 79 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:49,480 Speaker 1: about you know, I said, I noticed there's more men 80 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:53,039 Speaker 1: around maybe and she did spots just fisherman. Mom, not 81 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:56,159 Speaker 1: concerned at all. I talked about how nice the beaches, 82 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 1: and then I said, I got to get back and 83 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 1: do my reports. So like to the car and this 84 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:05,919 Speaker 1: individual is still there. I am so kind of awestruck, 85 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:08,159 Speaker 1: like what is he doing? He's just sitting there smoking 86 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 1: a cigarette. There's nothing to view, it's goods. And I 87 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 1: get into my car and I'm looking. I had not 88 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 1: even taken my purse before, so when I go in, 89 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 1: I'm pretending I'm getting something, and prior to that, I'm 90 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 1: walking and he stares at me. And I have to 91 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 1: tell you, it's like a mother bear. You just want 92 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 1: to protect your child. You just said, what are you 93 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 1: doing here? Go go to work at ten o'clock in 94 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:37,359 Speaker 1: the morning, and and that just got me so unnerved. 95 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:39,279 Speaker 1: So when I went to the car to get my purse, 96 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 1: he pulled out so fast that I didn't even think. 97 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:45,599 Speaker 1: I just got relieved. It was one of those immediate 98 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 1: gut feelings. I just was uncomfortable. And that white car 99 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 1: still to this day, we've never found We never found 100 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 1: the individual who was driving it. Our case remains unsolved. 101 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:02,839 Speaker 1: And um Anyway, the next day happened, took Molly to 102 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:07,160 Speaker 1: work the same talked to her that night about being safe, 103 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 1: even offered her a little Kubaton stick, which my husband 104 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 1: had as a probation officer. She said, Mom, I don't 105 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 1: need it. It's just fisherman. Don't worry. And that next morning, 106 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 1: after I drove her the work, there wasn't a single 107 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 1: car in the parking lot. She said, goodbye, Mom, I 108 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 1: love you. Our routine kind of farewell, and that was 109 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 1: the last time I ever heard my Molly. And I 110 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 1: would have never, ever, in my wildest dreams or sadness, 111 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 1: has imagined that three hours later I would get a 112 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 1: phone call from this assistant chief of police that Molly 113 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 1: had not been at the pond all morning. Her things 114 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 1: were left on the beach, an open first aid kit um, 115 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 1: the police radio, her shoes, and her backpack all remained 116 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 1: on the beach, and nobody knew where she was at 117 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 1: that point. It just was an unusual event for us. 118 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 1: Molly was very conscientious, very kind of nervous. It's a 119 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 1: new job. They told me she probably went with friends. 120 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:16,239 Speaker 1: I didn't. It didn't make sense. She left her shoes, 121 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 1: she left her back back but she left the job 122 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 1: at ten o'clock when she just was starting. It just 123 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 1: it makes sense at all. So I called my daughter, Heather, 124 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 1: and Heather said she would meet me at the beach 125 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 1: and I immediately got in my car. I went to 126 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 1: the beach and I went, I'm still in disbelief, and 127 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 1: I'm calling her and screaming her name on the beach, Molly, Molly, 128 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 1: and people were coming. There was no Molly, and people 129 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:47,319 Speaker 1: had said that she hadn't been there. There had been 130 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 1: the lifeguard all day, and I knew I dropped her off. 131 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 1: I've seen her things, so I was very, very frightened. 132 00:08:55,600 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 1: For me. The first gut re action was something that 133 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 1: is really wrong here. I started to go towards um 134 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 1: the police station. There comes Heather with our new row 135 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 1: granddaughter and we go into the police station and I say, 136 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 1: something's very wrong. I need this chief, the assistant chief, 137 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 1: because he called me and my husband, and because he 138 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 1: was a probation in the local area at the local court, 139 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:25,560 Speaker 1: I said call him. That's how upset I was already. 140 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 1: I knew in my heart that this was not how 141 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:32,080 Speaker 1: Molly operated. And they told us to go in a 142 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 1: little room. It was two young officers and they figured 143 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:38,119 Speaker 1: out that, oh, she just went with friends. They weren't concerned. 144 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 1: And that's when Heather and I well that that they 145 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 1: told you to go in the room and I took 146 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 1: off looking from all my friends. So I went from 147 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 1: there and then I went also to look for her 148 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 1: other friend in the next town that was a good friend, 149 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 1: and she was accounted for, and then I got my 150 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 1: son returned to we returned to the beach, and when 151 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 1: we got to the beach, we were aghast. I mean, 152 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 1: people in a small town heard there's Molly was not 153 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 1: at the beach. It was on the scanners and there 154 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 1: were people starting to come. And Molly's friend's father was 155 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 1: ahead of the fire department and nobody I think this 156 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 1: was the hard partner after nobody knew. Everybody felt something, 157 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:25,679 Speaker 1: but they didn't know what to do. And I really 158 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:27,679 Speaker 1: didn't see the priest. As I got there, it was 159 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 1: the fireman had actually entered the pond thinking Molly drowned swimming, 160 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:36,680 Speaker 1: and that was very frightful. They had those special dogs 161 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 1: to determine if there was a body. I mean, it 162 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:44,439 Speaker 1: was like you are now really in a surreal, unbelievable 163 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 1: place that you've never been, and it's heartbreaking because you 164 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 1: don't know where your daughter is. Nobody knows where she is, 165 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 1: and you're just watching this this show progressed and it 166 00:10:56,440 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 1: was scary and sad, and you were what she's thinking. 167 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 1: You don't know what. Now that you have children, I 168 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:07,719 Speaker 1: know you can imagine how hard what would your child do? 169 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 1: And you know each child has their own personality. Molly 170 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 1: was funny and silly, and but she was also very 171 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 1: shy and if someone would hurt her, but she would 172 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 1: also trust somebody because she was a good kid and 173 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 1: she had no reason not to. 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Legal Zoom 201 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 1: thank you not only for being a partner today, but 202 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 1: for what you were doing for Americans all across the 203 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 1: country every day. Everyone with me is what I consider 204 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 1: to be a friend. With me is Maggie Bish. This 205 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 1: is Molly Bish's mother. Molly goes missing one warm June morning, 206 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 1: two thousand The search still on from Molly's killer. And 207 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 1: when I hear you talking, I can't help it. It 208 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 1: takes me straight back to when my fiance was murdered, 209 00:13:57,040 --> 00:14:02,959 Speaker 1: and there's that feeling you. I felt like a wild animal. 210 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 1: This is the only way I can describe it. I 211 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 1: felt like a wild animal that couldn't form words. I 212 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:16,560 Speaker 1: wanted to break the window with my bare hands, and 213 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 1: just how I didn't even know words to say. And 214 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 1: I'm thinking I remember one night, right before I was 215 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 1: supposed to go on the air, my long time makeup 216 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 1: artist she's on was with me and she got a call. 217 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 1: She had her hands in my in my hair at 218 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 1: the moment, and put it on the speaker and her 219 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 1: son was missing. Arlington was missing, and everything just went berserk. 220 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 1: And I mean, I've covered all these cases. I know 221 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 1: what to do, I know who to call, but when 222 00:14:56,600 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 1: it happens to you, it's a whole another can of worms. 223 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 1: And her story. He was found, thank goodness. And I'm 224 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 1: just thinking about you at that at that pond and 225 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 1: they're looking in the water and you see the first 226 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 1: aid kid and you see her shoes and everything's there, 227 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 1: everything's right, everything is present. But Molly, when did you 228 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 1: find out what happened to Molly? Well, you know, this 229 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 1: was a whole new world for us. Nancy, nobody knows 230 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:43,239 Speaker 1: how to do it. And I have to honestly say 231 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 1: to any listeners that there's no right way or wrongly. 232 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 1: We have learned what is best practices for law enforcement 233 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 1: because we live in a small town. This happens often 234 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 1: in our cities. People need a plan. There was no 235 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 1: plan that day. That's what was most frightening. I don't 236 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 1: I think everybody wanted to help, but nobody knew what 237 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 1: to do. And so like we had the firemen in there, 238 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 1: but they had actually uh contaminated this crime scene because 239 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 1: nobody really knew it was a crime. They had come 240 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 1: in with the dogs, people were there. I mean, it 241 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 1: was just confusing. Um. By the end of that night, 242 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 1: the state police came in and they overtook the case. 243 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 1: But even in fairness, the state police do a lot 244 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 1: of work with drugs and and they really didn't have 245 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 1: a plan at first either. I think it was just 246 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 1: you know, find out we found out about Molley. No, 247 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 1: we didn't believe there's a chance and at all that 248 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 1: she had just left with friends. We didn't think she 249 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 1: would not call us. I mean when we had to 250 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 1: drive home, we were beside ourselves. How do you go 251 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 1: home if you don't know if your child has food 252 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 1: or is safe, or as being harmed or held. I mean, 253 00:16:56,680 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 1: I think all truth, that was one of the most horrible, exhausting, 254 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:08,680 Speaker 1: frightening days. And then what we learned again, police helped us. 255 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:10,920 Speaker 1: You know, they were trying to do what they could do. 256 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 1: And UM, to me, I think we did get involved finally. Um, 257 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 1: we were on America's Most Wanted. And then the press 258 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:22,120 Speaker 1: came in. Our police had asked us not to do 259 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 1: any We did not talk. We are isolated for two weeks. 260 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 1: All I could imagine this parents begging people to help 261 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:33,720 Speaker 1: them with their kids. And I didn't understand that. And 262 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:36,439 Speaker 1: then once I started to open up and speak to 263 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:40,440 Speaker 1: the press and and to the TV people, we had 264 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 1: we had to get home. We had to get molley 265 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:44,959 Speaker 1: story out there, and that that really became our burden. 266 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:48,440 Speaker 1: We didn't do it. Nobody would really know. I think 267 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:51,639 Speaker 1: people would just thought, oh, sure she came home. But 268 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:54,640 Speaker 1: we did five hundred days, we did one thousand days. 269 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 1: We did her birthday. We had over three hundred people 270 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:01,680 Speaker 1: that first year at her birthday. UM, we started a foundation. 271 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 1: We just we didn't know what to do. But even 272 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 1: in our small town, they had said that people said 273 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 1: this person could be from in the area. While that 274 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 1: frightened more people, and so I was on the local 275 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 1: school committee. So we went forward and we said we'd 276 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:21,879 Speaker 1: like to present um A a safety program. So we 277 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 1: got very involved with trying to help children. We learned 278 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 1: by the way that they needed a good picture and 279 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 1: they needed a book, a safety book, an I D 280 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:33,639 Speaker 1: So we we created our own that we thought was 281 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 1: small enough that dad could carry it even and they 282 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:39,399 Speaker 1: had everything and it's your picture, your fingerprints. We wanted 283 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 1: to find that job before they were you know, we 284 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:46,679 Speaker 1: didn't want a DNA get to to find them past. 285 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:50,440 Speaker 1: We wanted to find them beforehand. So that became our 286 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:54,640 Speaker 1: our tool to help others. We developed a Molly Bitch 287 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 1: Foundation and we went all over Massachusetts. We we actually, 288 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:02,399 Speaker 1: I believe what was far beyond thirty five thousand that 289 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:05,199 Speaker 1: we had done in our time. But we we are 290 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 1: always looking for Molly and trying to put on events. 291 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 1: And I started the first Missing Children's Day in Massachusetts 292 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:16,200 Speaker 1: in our Boston State House, getting the families together, trying 293 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:19,359 Speaker 1: to connect with one another, because there is like you said, 294 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 1: a unique bond, an unusual sadness, fear, you know, the unknown. 295 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 1: So that became one important day that we would come together. 296 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 1: But it also gave people. It made the legislatives aware 297 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 1: of our plight, what laws weren't being held that were 298 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:42,360 Speaker 1: good or bad, and we could change that. We actually 299 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:45,359 Speaker 1: helped with Senator Kennedy to bring in the Amber Alert 300 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 1: here to Massachusetts. We worked on the child safety law 301 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:53,720 Speaker 1: with many good people that I know, you know, and anyway, 302 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:57,440 Speaker 1: we got involved with the National Center. They helped work 303 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:02,679 Speaker 1: on our case, but it took three long years before 304 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:06,160 Speaker 1: we knew anything, and they were hard and it was 305 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 1: really tough for our whole family, and families suffer, you know. 306 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 1: We used to have um fragile Fridays. If we made 307 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:17,439 Speaker 1: it another week, you know, how are we doing? Checking 308 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 1: in with each other? It was tough. We didn't have 309 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 1: small children my children. My son was just in this 310 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 1: first year of college and Heather was just had her 311 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 1: first child. So we were a little older, which in 312 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:33,640 Speaker 1: some ways is easier but still very difficult because every 313 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:39,440 Speaker 1: age has its own difficult acceptance and a sibling. You're 314 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 1: so right about that, and there are so many phases 315 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:48,879 Speaker 1: you go through one when you suffer a loss. My 316 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:52,680 Speaker 1: father passed away about a year and a half ago, 317 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 1: and I'm still amiss. He and I were. I guess 318 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:02,680 Speaker 1: so eights were just. I mean, I love my mother. 319 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:05,359 Speaker 1: I'm extremely close to her. I've always talked to her 320 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:09,399 Speaker 1: more I guess I did my dad, But he and 321 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:12,439 Speaker 1: I were just two peas in a pod, and you 322 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 1: go through It hurts me too much to remember what 323 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 1: I went through when Keith was murdered. But the thing 324 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 1: that that that phases you go through when you lose somebody. 325 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:28,879 Speaker 1: But I guess I don't know what I'll have to 326 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 1: ask you because I knew almost immediately who murdered Keith 327 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:40,200 Speaker 1: and what had happened to him. But it was two 328 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 1: thousand and three, almost to the days ju nine, two 329 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 1: thousand and three, before you knew what had happened to Molly. 330 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:55,879 Speaker 1: Do you remember that day? Well, you know it is. 331 00:21:56,560 --> 00:22:02,160 Speaker 1: I can tell you it's awful. My We actually we 332 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,879 Speaker 1: had did the Missing Children's Day May at the end 333 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 1: of May, and we had come home and John had 334 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 1: gotten the call, my husband, and he said, we have 335 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:14,679 Speaker 1: to get home. And usually I'm saying thank you to 336 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 1: all the people we have two bust loads of people 337 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,200 Speaker 1: that we take with us to Boston, and so I'm 338 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 1: very grateful. We put flowers. We could forget me not 339 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 1: you don't go out there. We do a big, beautiful program. 340 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:27,879 Speaker 1: So we were coming home with all this stuff and 341 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 1: John is saying, get home, we're going, We're going, and 342 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 1: he was pushing me. I was getting a little agitated. 343 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 1: But what happened is one of the news reporters came 344 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:40,160 Speaker 1: to our house and they had the pictures because somebody 345 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 1: did not believe a while. How it went is there 346 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 1: was a hunter that had spotted something that he wasn't 347 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 1: familiar with, but he mentioned it to this um person 348 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 1: who used to be a police officer, and so they 349 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:55,359 Speaker 1: went and they were kind of on their own doing this. 350 00:22:55,960 --> 00:23:00,399 Speaker 1: And then I guess this. This police officer didn't believe 351 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:03,880 Speaker 1: that the um. You know, he's afraid the police would 352 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 1: take credit for his fine, I guess, And so he 353 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,400 Speaker 1: wanted some of the take pictures and he called them 354 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:12,160 Speaker 1: the press, and the press did it, and so guess 355 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 1: what they do. They show it to us before the 356 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 1: police even called us and told us anything. So I'm 357 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 1: in my driveway and you know how in the press car. 358 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 1: Like the vans, they have all the TVs. There's Molly's. Yeah, 359 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:28,639 Speaker 1: this is how Molly's. I've seen her bathing suit in 360 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:33,200 Speaker 1: the rust in the leaves, the old leaves, and John 361 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 1: didn't remember, you know, my husband, he you know, it's 362 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,200 Speaker 1: so funny. I actually went out with her to buy 363 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:41,200 Speaker 1: this special bathing suit because they didn't have the colored ones. 364 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 1: The recreational person was going to order them. So I 365 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 1: knew exactly what it was. It was a blue one, 366 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,960 Speaker 1: but it was a special one, and I knew right 367 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 1: then and there. My knees almost crumbled and I ran 368 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:57,640 Speaker 1: up the stairs and to our home. And I mean 369 00:23:58,040 --> 00:23:59,880 Speaker 1: there was three days that I could say. And when 370 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 1: we're talking earlier, you do it's like a primal cry. 371 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:07,160 Speaker 1: It's it's from the depth of your soul. I knew, 372 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 1: and I didn't want it, you know, you want to 373 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 1: find Molly, but it wasn't the way we had hoped, 374 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:18,639 Speaker 1: you know, and my I mean I cried and it just, um, 375 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 1: that was one of the worst I have to say days. 376 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 1: And I hollered and I every piece of me was 377 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 1: spent and that you say it was a special swimsuit 378 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 1: that in the moment you saw, you knew what it was. Um. 379 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 1: You know What's what's interesting, Maggie, as I remember that 380 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 1: the morning that Keith l after he had been visiting 381 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 1: our home. My family, me and my mom and dad 382 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:55,120 Speaker 1: were home. My sister was already off in grad school 383 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 1: at Wharton, my brother was moved out and working. This 384 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 1: is the three of us, and he had visited for 385 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 1: the weekend and he left that morning to go back 386 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:10,400 Speaker 1: to Athens where he lived and worked. And I just, 387 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 1: I guess I just suppressed this or blocked it. But 388 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:17,479 Speaker 1: it's only been in the last few years that I 389 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 1: remembered that. At the murder trial, I testified, and I 390 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 1: remember coming down the witness stand. It was a really 391 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:32,119 Speaker 1: tall one, and where you go up and there's a landing, 392 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:35,879 Speaker 1: then you turn left towards the witness standing up some 393 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 1: more steps, and I remember coming down those steps and 394 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:44,919 Speaker 1: I walked past the district attorney's table and I looked 395 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 1: down and I saw a denim shirt covered in blood, 396 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:57,919 Speaker 1: and I immediately knew that that was Keith's shirt that 397 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 1: he had been wearing that day. And Maggie, it's this 398 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 1: has only come back to me. I mean, it's been 399 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:14,359 Speaker 1: years later, and it came back with such clarity. But 400 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 1: I remember just stopping and looking at that short I 401 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:23,359 Speaker 1: knew exactly what it was. What was it that you 402 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:31,119 Speaker 1: knew beyond a doubt that was Molly's swimsuit. No, I really, 403 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 1: I don't know to analyze it. I think it's just 404 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:37,720 Speaker 1: that I was the mother. I picked it out. It 405 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 1: was the color, and I think there was a little 406 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 1: bit she was going to the training for the lifeguards 407 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:46,639 Speaker 1: and she needed a certain kind of you know, a 408 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 1: pink suit type. So I knew that material and it 409 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,480 Speaker 1: was blue, but it had some you know, it had 410 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 1: to be a little bit cool, so it had some 411 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:58,400 Speaker 1: mixed colorings in the middle of different things. And I've 412 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 1: seen it. I knew, I just knew. And you know again, 413 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,399 Speaker 1: they had to send the police in, they had to 414 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 1: send the such party, and they had and I mean 415 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:12,480 Speaker 1: that began a really another whole experience because the first 416 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 1: day they came home with one bone, you know, or yeah, 417 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 1: it was a shift bone, but it could possibly be 418 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:22,200 Speaker 1: someone in Molly's age range. The next day they had 419 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:25,200 Speaker 1: ripped bones, and then by the third day they had 420 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:30,160 Speaker 1: her skull. I mean, what mother sees, you know, we 421 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 1: actually did say goodbye to Molly and kissed goodbye, but 422 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:37,359 Speaker 1: we only had twenty four bones that were found. But 423 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 1: because of that, we were able to get her dental records, 424 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 1: you know, so that's they had to certainly make sure 425 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,119 Speaker 1: it was Molly's and I think that was the only 426 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 1: way we were able to they were able to face 427 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:54,359 Speaker 1: the police. But I knew, you know, and it was 428 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 1: just confirmed the moment you saw the swimsuit, you knew. 429 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:04,639 Speaker 1: The moment everything happened, you knew it was bad. M 430 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:11,400 Speaker 1: Heather bish is Molly's sister, Heather, What do you recall 431 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 1: of this time? Well, I think you know, again, it 432 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 1: was still that it couldn't be possible that Molly was 433 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 1: abducted at you know, I thought in the beginning that 434 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,640 Speaker 1: it had to be a mistake, and you know, sort 435 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,680 Speaker 1: of the same thing that this this company, right, there's 436 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,440 Speaker 1: there's got to be an explanation for this. And then 437 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:35,119 Speaker 1: as the moments and time kept passing and Molly didn't 438 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 1: pop out in if anywhere, you know, that's when we 439 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,480 Speaker 1: realized her her peril. She was she was in a 440 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 1: great feel of Carol. So you know, we became increasingly anxious. 441 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:47,960 Speaker 1: I think when even when we found the bathing suit. 442 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:49,719 Speaker 1: For me, you know, I think it just kind of 443 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,240 Speaker 1: just hold on to hope, like I don't know, maybe 444 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 1: maybe he stripped her and threw the bathing suit in 445 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 1: the woods or or something. We just want, I want 446 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 1: to believe something as terrible as as her loss isn't 447 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 1: isn't going to be what what the final end of 448 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 1: the story is. And for me, I can remember the 449 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 1: day that the state police actually came up to the 450 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 1: house on June ninth, when when they did find Lestco 451 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,480 Speaker 1: Because people were coming over to my mom's house every 452 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 1: day and I had been living in in Western mass 453 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,000 Speaker 1: at the time and driving out every morning with my 454 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 1: three year old, and it was about a forty five 455 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 1: minute drive, and for a three year old to have 456 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 1: to go potty all the time, that's like two potty stuff, 457 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 1: you know, never never an easy, easy trip. But we 458 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 1: were doing that daily to to um ensure that we 459 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 1: were we were all together. And I remember we had 460 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 1: just gotten there on June ninth and there are people 461 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:45,680 Speaker 1: in the driveway and my mom was talking and Um 462 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,239 Speaker 1: in the distance, I could see the district attorney and 463 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 1: the head of our investigation. Um walking up the driveway 464 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 1: and they were wearing suits and it was, you know, 465 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 1: the beginning of June, and I was thinking, jee, it's 466 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 1: a real really hot day to be where in a 467 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:04,200 Speaker 1: full suit like that. And then I just I just knew. 468 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,720 Speaker 1: I thought, I just knew, like this is that, this 469 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,640 Speaker 1: is this is the final they're gonna tell us. Now, 470 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 1: you know, it's interesting that you're saying. And I hate 471 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,720 Speaker 1: to keep projecting, but what you're saying is like striking 472 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:21,840 Speaker 1: so many chords in me. It's you know, you know. 473 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 1: And because I recall that day I come out of 474 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 1: a statistics exam, I was still in college and was 475 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,880 Speaker 1: walking to my job. I worked all the way at 476 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:38,720 Speaker 1: the other end of Mercer University campus and the library 477 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:42,720 Speaker 1: in the back of the library processing books, and I 478 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,800 Speaker 1: stopped midway. Of course, this was before cell phones, to 479 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,960 Speaker 1: use the phone, the pay phone in the student union 480 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 1: to call the library and say, my test went over 481 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 1: like twenty minutes, I'm almost there, just hold on like 482 00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:01,320 Speaker 1: there was some emergency processing books. Okay. So, and when 483 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:06,960 Speaker 1: I did, they had librarian Miriam said, you need to 484 00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:13,160 Speaker 1: call Keith's sister right now. I knew right then that 485 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:17,800 Speaker 1: he was dead. I need just like you, just when 486 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:21,160 Speaker 1: you saw those guys in the suits, you knew and 487 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,200 Speaker 1: I'm just I really, I just I just really wanted 488 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,400 Speaker 1: to run away, to be honest with you, I didn't 489 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:28,480 Speaker 1: even want to hear what they were going to going 490 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,080 Speaker 1: to say. I just thought if I could run, I 491 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:34,640 Speaker 1: would be able to outrun the truth or the reality 492 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,600 Speaker 1: or you know. It just felt like everything's going to 493 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:43,960 Speaker 1: change now, our whole life. Everything is ever feel again 494 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 1: that you your mind tries to get around it or 495 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 1: or or bend with it. Because I remember I would 496 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,160 Speaker 1: wake up in the mornings and I would think that 497 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:02,200 Speaker 1: Keith was still alive and this had been some elaborate 498 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:06,440 Speaker 1: rous and I would dream. I would dream and this 499 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,000 Speaker 1: is so I don't know exactly what this means, because 500 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,640 Speaker 1: I never saw a shrink about it. Probably should. I 501 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 1: would dream that Keith wanted to get out of the engagement, 502 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:21,520 Speaker 1: and so he had faked the whole thing, because you know, 503 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 1: this close to us getting married, he had decided that. 504 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:28,360 Speaker 1: In my dream, and I'd wake up and I got, oh, 505 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:32,400 Speaker 1: thank god, he's alive, and this just you know, and 506 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:36,040 Speaker 1: then I'd wait, wait a minute, I would have I 507 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 1: would have dreams that Molly was still alive, but she 508 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,520 Speaker 1: would be you know, she would have gone off with 509 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 1: her friends to Florida, or she went on you know, 510 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:45,720 Speaker 1: she went on a trip and she was just back 511 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,040 Speaker 1: and she was going to see her old boyfriend, and 512 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,440 Speaker 1: I would be I remember in the dreams feeling like, no, 513 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,600 Speaker 1: you can't go on. I've definitely want to be with 514 00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:55,920 Speaker 1: you and hang out with you. And finally, that's not 515 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:59,280 Speaker 1: how twenty year old to feel about their teenage sisters. 516 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:03,440 Speaker 1: So I've always sort of thought about those dreams later 517 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,040 Speaker 1: now in life and thought, do you know, maybe Molly 518 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,240 Speaker 1: was trying to tell me in some capacity that she 519 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,120 Speaker 1: was okay, you know, and it was just me feeling 520 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 1: of stuff, but feeling listen to this to the man 521 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:19,520 Speaker 1: who took Molly dish, does June two thousand mean anything 522 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:23,400 Speaker 1: to you. I remember it as a warm summer day. 523 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,600 Speaker 1: We left home, we picked up the police radio, and 524 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,960 Speaker 1: then we arrived at the pond. The sand truck was there. 525 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:34,360 Speaker 1: We watched, mesmerized like little children as the sand fell 526 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:38,160 Speaker 1: gently to the ground. Molly and Mom for the last time. 527 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:42,920 Speaker 1: Molly said goodbye, I love you and ran off. It 528 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,960 Speaker 1: was her eighth day on her new job as a lifeguard. 529 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,800 Speaker 1: That was the last time I saw or heard for 530 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:54,080 Speaker 1: my Molly. I have held those words wrapped around my 531 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:58,120 Speaker 1: heart to sustain it from breaking into a million broken pieces. 532 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:02,920 Speaker 1: It's been seventeen years since Molly bish vanished. Her remains 533 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:06,640 Speaker 1: were found on the central Massachusetts mountain side three years later. 534 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:12,600 Speaker 1: The case remains unsolved. It's an open investigation. We're constantly 535 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:17,239 Speaker 1: getting tips and leads on it will moving forward and 536 00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:21,120 Speaker 1: going through the beginning to now. We started talking to 537 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,880 Speaker 1: some of the original investigators, just bring them in as 538 00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,360 Speaker 1: a group, and we also have a disc attorney assigned 539 00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:27,960 Speaker 1: to the case. So they came in and we just 540 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,319 Speaker 1: started going over there observations that notes their feelings, you know, 541 00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:35,720 Speaker 1: things like that Maggie Bish could never imagine a moment 542 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:40,360 Speaker 1: that she'd never see her daughter Molly ever again. Molly 543 00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:43,280 Speaker 1: could be very shy and she could be very silly. 544 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,200 Speaker 1: There was two sides of her in her comfort zone. 545 00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:51,680 Speaker 1: She was silly like Lucy, I mean, goofy silly. We 546 00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,799 Speaker 1: were just beginning our adult relationship when Molly disappeared, So 547 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,840 Speaker 1: I often wonder what that would have been like to 548 00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,560 Speaker 1: have known her as an adult. 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And 580 00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:10,880 Speaker 1: I'm trying to imagine your your v you know, you 581 00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:14,600 Speaker 1: pull up and you at a distance see all these 582 00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:17,200 Speaker 1: guys and suits and your driveway, and I'm trying to 583 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:23,520 Speaker 1: imagine what Maggie, what that What that was? When press 584 00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:27,480 Speaker 1: A van pulls up and they run up? What? What 585 00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:31,000 Speaker 1: did they have a picture of her swimsuit? Maggie, Well, 586 00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,319 Speaker 1: you know what, I guess this, like I said, this 587 00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,920 Speaker 1: person didn't believe it. So they had six TVs going on. 588 00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,520 Speaker 1: There were six TVs in that van, and there was 589 00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:42,440 Speaker 1: every vantage point that they could take the picture. And 590 00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,440 Speaker 1: I mean it truly was a small piece of bathing 591 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:51,400 Speaker 1: suit that was peeking count from underneath twigs and old leaves, 592 00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:56,719 Speaker 1: and it was just taking in different rooms views and 593 00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,719 Speaker 1: I mean it didn't take me a second to gather 594 00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:03,799 Speaker 1: that information, you know, men, no seconds tonight. I ran 595 00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,399 Speaker 1: up the stairs because I knew. I closed my door 596 00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:08,960 Speaker 1: in my room and I began to howl. I was 597 00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,759 Speaker 1: on my knees and you know John was down there 598 00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:15,040 Speaker 1: talking and I just like for this the I mean, 599 00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:18,280 Speaker 1: because again we adjusted missing Children's Day for the folks 600 00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:20,880 Speaker 1: from Massachusetts. It was a beautiful day of great We 601 00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:24,600 Speaker 1: were coming home feeling at least we're doing something positive, 602 00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:27,680 Speaker 1: and you know, we always will miss Molly, that's what 603 00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:31,360 Speaker 1: we But to see this was it was too close 604 00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:36,480 Speaker 1: to knowing that this was not good. Again, wanted. We 605 00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:41,480 Speaker 1: are now hearing rumblings that d n A, d ox 606 00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:49,600 Speaker 1: rib nicla acid tests are storrying little seeds of hope, 607 00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:53,600 Speaker 1: But what do you know about a potential DNA test? 608 00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:58,040 Speaker 1: You want to talk? Sure, I um have been sort 609 00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:01,120 Speaker 1: of headlining the investigative efforts with with for my family. 610 00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:06,560 Speaker 1: But about a year ago they took and every so 611 00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:10,840 Speaker 1: often they'll take piece pieces of evidence and and submit 612 00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,600 Speaker 1: them for DNA testing and they'll try to compare it 613 00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:15,840 Speaker 1: when they have a few years ago, they had a 614 00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:19,799 Speaker 1: really I don't quote unquote good person of interest UM 615 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:23,000 Speaker 1: down in Florida and they you know, had taken some 616 00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:25,680 Speaker 1: DNA from there and submitted it and then nothing was 617 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:29,240 Speaker 1: sort of a hit. UM. So as so I guess 618 00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:31,960 Speaker 1: our hope sort of lies in the science and technology 619 00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:36,840 Speaker 1: that you know, sort of helping investigator solve these older cases. 620 00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,920 Speaker 1: And UM. So last year they took twenty four pieces 621 00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:46,120 Speaker 1: of evidence UM to retest and so they don't exactly 622 00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:49,160 Speaker 1: tell us what what they took or where it came from, 623 00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,280 Speaker 1: but we know it was twenty four pieces of evidence 624 00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:54,960 Speaker 1: UM and they resubmitted them for further testing. You know, 625 00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:58,279 Speaker 1: as they, like I said, that the technology increases in 626 00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:04,120 Speaker 1: the touch DNA becomes a allable UM, they will continuously 627 00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:08,760 Speaker 1: keep keep re submitting for particularly these older cases, because 628 00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:12,320 Speaker 1: they've they've been able to um you know self cases 629 00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,759 Speaker 1: based on this DNA. I mean even right now we 630 00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,120 Speaker 1: have a case in Central mass. It's it's not an 631 00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:20,360 Speaker 1: older case, but they've been using DNA to sort of 632 00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:24,520 Speaker 1: point the direction. Let me ask you, so they the 633 00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:30,600 Speaker 1: seeds of hope, aren't that DNA samples have been taken 634 00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:34,600 Speaker 1: and they're being re examined with new techniques that were 635 00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:37,120 Speaker 1: not possible at that time. I mean that is a 636 00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:42,640 Speaker 1: huge big deal because I recall trying rape cases, murder cases, 637 00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:45,600 Speaker 1: you name it, with no d NA. You know what 638 00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:50,280 Speaker 1: I'd have. I'd have blood, blood sample and I could say, well, 639 00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:54,880 Speaker 1: the suspect is a positive and the perpetrator was a positive. 640 00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:58,800 Speaker 1: That was it. Or maybe a hair and I could 641 00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:04,560 Speaker 1: say the rapist or the killer is a Caucasian male 642 00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,719 Speaker 1: with ex hair. I mean, that was it. There was 643 00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:13,640 Speaker 1: no nuclear or mitochondrial touch nothing. So this is a 644 00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:17,640 Speaker 1: major development that they are doing this. I want to 645 00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:25,239 Speaker 1: ask you about this UM deep ground sonar test that's 646 00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:29,000 Speaker 1: being done. What do we know about that? Yeah, so 647 00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:32,240 Speaker 1: we you know, over the years, we've you know, because 648 00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:35,359 Speaker 1: law enforcement is uh, you know, they sort of work 649 00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:38,040 Speaker 1: on their own and and and you know, they don't 650 00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:41,799 Speaker 1: necessarily report to victim families. That can become very frustrating 651 00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:46,480 Speaker 1: for victim families. UM and because we you know, I 652 00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:48,880 Speaker 1: felt very strongly that we wanted this to be solved. 653 00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,200 Speaker 1: We wanted our community to feel safe, We wanted our 654 00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:53,600 Speaker 1: friends kids to feel safe. You know, we've we've all 655 00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:57,000 Speaker 1: grown up here where you know, and and some capacities 656 00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,680 Speaker 1: family to each other. What do you think they hope 657 00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:05,239 Speaker 1: to mind Heather with a ground penetrating radar And it's 658 00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:11,080 Speaker 1: on a private property in an undisclosed location in Worcester County? 659 00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:13,880 Speaker 1: What what could that mean? What was that where the 660 00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:19,759 Speaker 1: swimsuit was found Maggie in Worcester County. No, No, it 661 00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:23,600 Speaker 1: was where we received it. A so, so just trying 662 00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:28,120 Speaker 1: to put the back start here. We um from friends 663 00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:32,319 Speaker 1: in the area, uh person who has a PhD in criminology, 664 00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:35,160 Speaker 1: and I sort of formed this sort of investigative team. 665 00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:37,760 Speaker 1: It kind of came off to our fundraisers and things 666 00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:41,200 Speaker 1: like that. We developed this little team. This little team 667 00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:46,799 Speaker 1: developed these UM campaigns. So one year we did UM billboards, 668 00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:50,160 Speaker 1: another year we did ads. Each time we do one, 669 00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,320 Speaker 1: we do a tip campaign. And so we had a 670 00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,840 Speaker 1: just one Piece campaign because the state Police has always 671 00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:57,719 Speaker 1: said we're one piece away from solving this crime. During 672 00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:00,799 Speaker 1: our just one Piece campaign, we see the number of 673 00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:04,520 Speaker 1: tips on a particular person who say that this particular 674 00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:09,319 Speaker 1: campground in Worcester County. UM. This next year we had 675 00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:12,480 Speaker 1: another campaign. We called it just one Car because we 676 00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,640 Speaker 1: were trying to identify this light car. Was it tlied 677 00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:21,000 Speaker 1: to this person that the location is the question? So 678 00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:25,759 Speaker 1: let me understand. The location is the campground where a 679 00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:32,840 Speaker 1: potential suspect stayed. Okay, got it. And what do you think, Maggie, 680 00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:38,000 Speaker 1: they are looking for with the deep ground search. Well, 681 00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:40,919 Speaker 1: I understand that it has the potential to be able 682 00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:46,160 Speaker 1: to recognize metal or rock or anything, and especially if 683 00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:49,880 Speaker 1: there was something of some sighs, you know, bearing a 684 00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:52,560 Speaker 1: car is quite big, you know, how deep could they go? 685 00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:56,960 Speaker 1: So this radar has a way to analyze how that 686 00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:01,640 Speaker 1: the depths and how significant that um, you know, if 687 00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:05,120 Speaker 1: it's metal or something that you know, I guess that's 688 00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:07,560 Speaker 1: what they do. They do some kind of a you know, 689 00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:12,520 Speaker 1: computation and it determines. So from what we understand, there 690 00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:17,520 Speaker 1: were three places that they felt some interest. Now you know, 691 00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:20,759 Speaker 1: again they have to hand that information over to the 692 00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:24,080 Speaker 1: state police, and the state police have to you know, 693 00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:27,920 Speaker 1: decide if it's worth digging or going into now again. 694 00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:31,239 Speaker 1: It could be it's like this whole story again. You 695 00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:35,080 Speaker 1: always get hopeful, but you have to kind of protect 696 00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:38,319 Speaker 1: yourself from disappointment. You've got to you know, you don't 697 00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:41,480 Speaker 1: really you want it if but you're scared. The emotional 698 00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:45,480 Speaker 1: battle within is unbelievable because you've been doing this so 699 00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:49,080 Speaker 1: long now that you want it, but we don't get 700 00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:52,960 Speaker 1: to choose any of it, you know. So it's great, 701 00:44:53,480 --> 00:45:01,160 Speaker 1: Maggie that other girls similar in age to Molly also 702 00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:05,160 Speaker 1: were kidnapped. Yes, we have a girl that was ten 703 00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:09,439 Speaker 1: years old, a little bit younger, um in Sturbridge, which 704 00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:13,040 Speaker 1: is a twenty minute uh a distance from our home, 705 00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:17,480 Speaker 1: and she was taken before Molly, maybe seven years. There 706 00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:20,920 Speaker 1: had been some cases or maybe even a little older 707 00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:24,920 Speaker 1: that we're in northern Michigan and Massachusetts near the New 708 00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:27,640 Speaker 1: York border, and there was a gentleman that they thought 709 00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:31,960 Speaker 1: was a serial killer up there that might have that involved. 710 00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:35,480 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it's so sad. I mean, you 711 00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:38,719 Speaker 1: hear these horrible cases, but you don't understand them, and 712 00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:43,919 Speaker 1: certainly I wasn't one that you know, really understood any 713 00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:47,120 Speaker 1: of this. You know, now I know all these families 714 00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:50,799 Speaker 1: who have struggled, and who keep struggling, you know, to 715 00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:53,680 Speaker 1: find their loved ones on how they deal with it, 716 00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:57,160 Speaker 1: and it is very very hard. So you know, again, 717 00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:00,839 Speaker 1: there possibly could be serial killer out there, and that's 718 00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:05,080 Speaker 1: what worried us because to be honestly, Nancy, how does 719 00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:09,080 Speaker 1: a normal person do something this horrific? And that is 720 00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:11,560 Speaker 1: so it's like when you throw the rock into the 721 00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:14,560 Speaker 1: river and the ripples. It has caused so much pain 722 00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:18,560 Speaker 1: to Molly's friends, our family out into the community. The 723 00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:23,280 Speaker 1: fear that he's somewhere, you know, and that's always scared, 724 00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:29,040 Speaker 1: really captivating me about this one guy. And he is 725 00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:33,799 Speaker 1: simply been investigated. He has not been indicted. He has 726 00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:40,480 Speaker 1: not been charged. I'm talking about Rodney Stranger. Rodney Stranger 727 00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:45,280 Speaker 1: had been living in Southbridge at the time Molly goes missing. 728 00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:50,920 Speaker 1: He relocated abruptly to Summerfield, Florida, a few months after 729 00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:57,759 Speaker 1: Molly was kidnapped from her life guard position. Now what 730 00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:02,560 Speaker 1: really uh interests me about him not not just that 731 00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:10,480 Speaker 1: he relocated, but a woman that had known him, sister 732 00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:16,879 Speaker 1: Bodny Bonny Kieran, told police about a phone call from 733 00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:24,080 Speaker 1: her sister, who was then murdered, where the sister suggested 734 00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:29,560 Speaker 1: that this guy may have been involved in murders in Massachusetts. 735 00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,000 Speaker 1: Now this is based on something I read in the 736 00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:40,720 Speaker 1: Wooster Telegram and Gazette. He alluded to bish Molly Bush 737 00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:45,440 Speaker 1: and another girl, Holly Perinan, who disappeared in ninete that 738 00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:52,759 Speaker 1: from Sturbridge, which was directly adjacent to Southbridge. What do 739 00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,120 Speaker 1: you know about that? Call? I know, you know a 740 00:47:55,160 --> 00:48:00,879 Speaker 1: lot more than I do. Maggie. Well, wow, you want 741 00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:03,960 Speaker 1: to go ahead? How they go ahead? Well, you know, 742 00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:08,640 Speaker 1: we actually have about seven people with the same same 743 00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:13,480 Speaker 1: kind of circumstantial evidence surrounding them. Rodney Stanger was just 744 00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:17,640 Speaker 1: brought forward in the media. So that's that's the greatest 745 00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:22,600 Speaker 1: struggle for us, because we know, we know about Rodney, 746 00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:25,040 Speaker 1: but the public only knows about I mean, you know, 747 00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:27,040 Speaker 1: the public going knows about Rodney, but we know about 748 00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:29,759 Speaker 1: the six other guys just like Rodney Stanger that are 749 00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:32,680 Speaker 1: out there. And that's why we put together this movie 750 00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:38,279 Speaker 1: about Molly most recently, and it was basically too slutify 751 00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:41,759 Speaker 1: the events of June seven that we knew what and 752 00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:48,439 Speaker 1: that what our new movie Mom, that we just did 753 00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:55,640 Speaker 1: Missing Molly, How can I see that? Um? We We've 754 00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:58,000 Speaker 1: been sharing it on social media. It's up on my 755 00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:03,879 Speaker 1: YouTube page hold on Missing Molly movie, and I can 756 00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:09,280 Speaker 1: find it on YouTube about the three minute movie. And 757 00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:16,440 Speaker 1: we we had contemplated. I'm sorry, Heather, go ahead, go ahead, 758 00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:18,600 Speaker 1: but I just wanted to say that it was an 759 00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:22,080 Speaker 1: opportunity that we could share again. Young people are so 760 00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:25,520 Speaker 1: conscious of social media, but we could share it even 761 00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:29,920 Speaker 1: by Facebook. Somebody knows something. Okay, I didn't. I didn't 762 00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:31,920 Speaker 1: even know about it. This is something new to me. 763 00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:36,080 Speaker 1: Would you would you mind if I would you mind 764 00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:40,520 Speaker 1: if I put this on our website and and I'm 765 00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:42,680 Speaker 1: going to direct to everybody too, because this is something 766 00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:47,560 Speaker 1: new for me to learn through. Um. Hold hold on, 767 00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:53,480 Speaker 1: I lost track. Okay, so Missing Molly and it's on YouTube, 768 00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:55,600 Speaker 1: and you're gonna give me the info and I'll put 769 00:49:55,600 --> 00:50:00,239 Speaker 1: it on crime online dot com and hold on and yeah, 770 00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:03,120 Speaker 1: this is this is a case where I mean, what 771 00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:05,600 Speaker 1: what the you know? We had this bad thing happened 772 00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:08,640 Speaker 1: and it was horrible and it would change has changed 773 00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:13,280 Speaker 1: our lives completely. But every single day, every day, almost 774 00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:17,320 Speaker 1: somebody comes forward and does something amazing or helpful or 775 00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:21,760 Speaker 1: gives us something. And you know this, this Peter Massey, 776 00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:24,359 Speaker 1: who came up with his ground penetrating radar to look 777 00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:26,799 Speaker 1: at the campground a couple of weeks ago. That was 778 00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:29,279 Speaker 1: something that we organized. On the side. I organized with 779 00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:33,120 Speaker 1: a person that's a criminologist that I know who was 780 00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:35,520 Speaker 1: you know, worked with him. And you know, it was 781 00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:38,120 Speaker 1: a long shot halfway down to the basketball court, sort 782 00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:41,120 Speaker 1: of throwing the ball at the basket. But this person 783 00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:44,440 Speaker 1: was was generous enough to come up here and donate 784 00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:48,040 Speaker 1: his time, to skill his knowledge to help us, you know. 785 00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:50,200 Speaker 1: And again maybe it was a long shot, but I 786 00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:52,640 Speaker 1: mean long shot, but really all we have left at 787 00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:56,200 Speaker 1: this point, and so again the movie. A friend of ours, 788 00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:59,160 Speaker 1: Kathy Kurn from Channel five News, and I were talking 789 00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:00,440 Speaker 1: one day. I said, you know, I really think I 790 00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:03,480 Speaker 1: should make a movie about Molly and solidify what happened 791 00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:06,200 Speaker 1: so people aren't confused because of that. People will say, well, 792 00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:08,120 Speaker 1: they got that guy in Florida, he must have done it, 793 00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:10,520 Speaker 1: or oh I heard about that guy and left and 794 00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:15,120 Speaker 1: you're absolutely and no one followed the story. And so 795 00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:18,080 Speaker 1: I wanted to make sure that they imprinted it somewhere 796 00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:20,120 Speaker 1: that here are the facts. Well, you know what I'm 797 00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:23,920 Speaker 1: about to do I'm about to log on and find 798 00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:30,440 Speaker 1: Missing Molly's movie that you orchestrated and another thing. Everybody, 799 00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:36,200 Speaker 1: please write this number down eight seven seven two nine 800 00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:41,919 Speaker 1: eight five toll free eight seven seven to nine eight 801 00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:51,680 Speaker 1: five one five five one day this case will be solved. 802 00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:57,560 Speaker 1: Molly bish still on our minds, still in our hearts, 803 00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:04,160 Speaker 1: Maggie heather m Thank you, guys, thank you, thank you. 804 00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:07,680 Speaker 1: I can't thank you enough. And you will always be 805 00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:10,279 Speaker 1: one of my most special people in the world and 806 00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:14,200 Speaker 1: I appreciate it so much. And and you're helping so 807 00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:18,000 Speaker 1: many people and you're still continuing. And from my Molly, 808 00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:23,120 Speaker 1: we thank you. What's all our Nancy Grace crib story 809 00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:25,400 Speaker 1: signing off, goodbye friend,