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Speaker 1: Can you before we get to it, because I mean, man, know,

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Speaker 3: Been three years? Two?

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Speaker 1: It's my fault though. We took these tests like a

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Speaker 4: Right, So let me ask you, is this only give

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Speaker 3: So the test you took traces your mother's mother's mother's

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Speaker 4: My mother and my grandmother?

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Speaker 3: And where was your grandmother from Saint Thomas? Okay, so

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Speaker 3: Absolutely? So there's so little that we do know. So

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Speaker 3: But we weren't even recorded as people with names and

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Speaker 1: I want to also and just so you know, his

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Speaker 3: I can so African Ancestry is completely different than any

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Speaker 3: two tests. One traces your maternal line, mother to mother

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Speaker 2: We came to me.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and and for people listening for doctor Jennapas, you've

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Speaker 3: Like that we destroy the DNA. I didn't get to

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Speaker 4: We don't. Services in New York State.

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Speaker 3: So we're the only company that can tell you the

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Speaker 2: You're Nigeria and okay, and I felt like some energy,

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Speaker 3: But within Nigeria, we found matches with your maternal DNA

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Speaker 4: So I'm sorry, just so, Okay, it's Nigerian descent the.

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Speaker 4: Okay, but that doesn't mean that the people that my

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Speaker 3: Well, the people who we found matches for with you

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Speaker 3: And I feel like that's what you've done with your life.

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Speaker 1: Would that means that his brother and he have right

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Speaker 3: Your little brother this is for him the same as

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Speaker 2: I give you half of those.

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Speaker 3: And they say that they believe that real power isn't

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Speaker 3: You're welcome, Welcome to the African ancestry. Family. So I

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Speaker 4: For three years.

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Speaker 2: I know that's right. Wow, I'm proud of you, Nigeria.

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Speaker 1: You know, what do you think about people that don't

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Speaker 3: Well, I say that identity is a constantly evolving narrative

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Speaker 1: I'm not worried about you and I'm black because I'm

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's see what's going on?

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Speaker 1: Angelina Angela.

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Speaker 3: Ye, So we traced your mother's mother's mother's people and

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Speaker 3: how far back can you go with them?

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Speaker 1: Only my grandparents again, my both of my mom's parents

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Speaker 3: I love this because a lot of times people ask me, well,

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Speaker 3: I'm like, that's the ship stopped there first. So I

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Speaker 2: O came house. He's excited. All right, all right, I'm

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Speaker 3: So, Angela, we found your maternal ancestry in Nigeria too, Okay, cousin,

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Speaker 3: I knew it, but it's a totally different tribe. So

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Speaker 3: your tribe is the Kanuri people, and Kanuri is ka

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Speaker 2: Oh I got my im period.

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Speaker 3: And so the Kanuri are the descendants of one of

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Speaker 3: So what I love about the Kanuri is that girls

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Speaker 2: We were bosses back then, exactly.

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Speaker 3: And then the other thing that's cool about the Canury

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Speaker 3: Quite honestly, I like that, and then I wanted to

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Speaker 3: It could be they've killed their child and fanticide but

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Speaker 3: So she has been very successful at defending women and

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Speaker 2: Wow. See I like that.

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Speaker 1: We're bosses. Yep, alright, so Canori. So he has too.

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Speaker 1: I just have one, right, okay, which is you know, neither.

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Speaker 1: That's fine exactly. And so you know, I feel like

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Speaker 1: it's been a long time coming. Yes, even even longer

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Speaker 3: It was very important to me, and I'm glad that

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Speaker 3: Musha connected us. And welcome to the African ancestry. Now

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Speaker 3: we have some notable other notables who share your ancestry.

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Speaker 3: So Lenny Green from the pet Storm, okay, he's the

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Speaker 3: And then for you the actor and director Jeffrey Wright. Oh,

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Speaker 3: he's Europae. Yeah. He was in American fiction, American fiction

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Speaker 1: And oh yeah, okay, And he was in the Broadway play.

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Speaker 2: Why Am I Favoite? All right, I gotta look it up, right,

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Speaker 3: And then chef Carla Hall, she's okay, I got her cookbook.

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Speaker 3: And then I'm your Fulani cousin. But also Anthony Anderson

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Speaker 2: Let me find out red.

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Speaker 4: So this this tribe, they still exist right now?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a community here in New York.

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Speaker 2: For surely we need a trip to Nigeria. Yeah, that's it.

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Speaker 2: He was in Top Dog Underdog. That's right.

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Speaker 1: Okay, yay, what so man?

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Speaker 2: No, now that you know this, do you feel different?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 4: I don't feel different. It makes me want to still

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Speaker 2: Okay, so that's next.

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Speaker 1: Unfortunately we destroyed your DNA, so you got to do

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Speaker 4: How long does it really take?

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Speaker 2: That was my fault.

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Speaker 3: It was like six weeks.

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Speaker 2: Results six weeks later and she did. And I will say, so.

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Speaker 4: You're trying to reach out to us, you couldn't.

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Speaker 1: Get it right.

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Speaker 2: Well, the Canori people are very busy people. You have

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Speaker 2: It's not a lot of us. It's crazy.

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Speaker 1: But I just want to ask you, like, in your experience,

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Speaker 3: People have written plays, they've written books. They've traveled. Of

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Speaker 2: I'm so excited. So look, you know my dad is Chinese.

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Speaker 1: Now I wonder if I try to do that, would

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Speaker 3: So you can't? I think that's me. You can't trace

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Speaker 2: But you did say that that.

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Speaker 3: And we wouldn't even really recommend it because you already

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Speaker 2: Now, well, this is exciting.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm so appreciative that we made this happen, and

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Speaker 2: I feel like, now I have.

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Speaker 1: To do some research because I've never even heard of

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Speaker 2: I feel like that's pretty popular us.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I've heard of you yeah at any rate. So

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Speaker 2: So thank you so much. It feels good.

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Speaker 1: From, and especially with things being a race that they

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Speaker 3: And that's why when you find when you know who

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Speaker 2: And I love it. Well, thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: And how can people also if they want to find

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Speaker 3: We're online at africanancestry dot com and we're on all

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Speaker 3: the socials at African Ancestry.

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Speaker 1: All right, and it will take you six weeks. I

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Speaker 1: my fault. Thank you, Mischi that we appreciate you, and

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Speaker 1: thank you so much, Doctor Jena Page. I feel good.

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Speaker 3: Today, good, good good.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad it's way up.